65 cores of calamity is a bit much too ....
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
gritty crow
that was a bit overkill on the frost and pumpkin moon essence tbh
dense girder
oh sure 65 cores of calamity
ashen warren
dense girder
but the 900 nightmare fuel and 900 endothermic energy
ashen warren
i still crafted that shit
gusty matrix
now that suggestions is up, I can pitch my idea for a Bee's Knees/Malevolence upgrade I've been working on
gusty geode
We need at least the option of less powerful weapons and armor that you don't need to 100% the game up to then to craft
gritty crow
@ashen warren you want a trick? Try fighting ravager in Armageddon mode like 10 times in a pre Providence world
Cores of Calamity are easy
ashen warren
i crafted it before ravager was added
gritty crow
but you also didn’t need cores back then
junior geode
Tbh I should think of a new mode... Oh I know Bullet Hell mode
gusty geode
I had an idea for a 5th difficulty, but that's apparently not happening
gusty matrix
uploaded an earlier copy of the pitch 
EDIT: Now fixed
gusty geode
My idea was like a Soul Melter mode like in Kirby Star Allies, all Calamity bosses got the themes they had before Dok made ones for them, while the difficulty got turned up to levels only seen in rage games
gritty crow
Some of those themes were removed for copyright reasons tho
dense girder
You make it sound like this isn't a rage game already
mighty nymph
^
gusty geode
Just use the Gametal Adventure's End remix
gritty crow
It’s a good idea, but it wouldn’t really be feasible
That means the mod would almost double in size
hushed flare
~~replace every boss theme with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdaL0RZLIGs~~
gritty crow
Also copyrighted
hushed flare
it was a. joke
gusty geode
Never Let Up is better
gritty crow
your joke has been copyrighted
dense girder
^^^^^^^^^^
hushed flare
no copyright law in the universe can stop me - sonic the fuckign hedgehog
gusty matrix
I think you used the wrong one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tc29tFx2Vg
dense girder
oh no silvagunner
gusty geode
Too high quality for this mod
ashen warren
i actually dont like that suggestion at all
dense girder
i don't agree with the teleport
ashen warren
spinning around a boss is a good way to win boss fights because thats how their AI is supposed to be
dense girder
but i agree they do need better AI revamps
ashen warren
there has to be strategies involved in a boss fight and not just dumb luck
gusty matrix
but in what ways do the ai need improvement?
dense girder
boss fights are meant to be challenging and fun, not just "i'm easy to farm hahaha hur dee hurrr" except ravager he exists for the materials
ashen warren
some ai is a bit plain
gusty matrix
like, literally what should they do to make them harder?
dense girder
polterghast is just plantera but with a ghost buddy who spawns sometimes
brave warren
no victide?
cyan lagoon
victide is in limbo right now
brave warren
oh
ashen warren
planteras name doesnt change three times
dense girder
that counts as literally nothing but a name change
it doesn't make the fight harder if his name is spelt differently
ashen warren
yes it does
gusty geode
Wait, that gives me a theory idea, meet me in #calamity-mod-talk
dense girder
i think in normal plantera could remain the same but in Expert she dashes every now and then and in Revengeance she's faster, dashes quite a bit
dense girder
counts as a vote 
gusty matrix
so does the bot only count stars, or emojis in general?
cyan lagoon
stars i think
mighty nymph
I'd assume so
cyan lagoon
and since only cooldude+ can react it pretty much irons it in
ashen warren
im scared to go to #calamity-mod-talk
fab just threatened to shove popcorn up someones ass
mighty nymph
gusty geode
It's a debate on gimmicks, no need to panic
Just pitched a Polterghast theory there but it's probs buried by now
dense girder
Dokuro hinted that Polterghast is all the souls of those slain by Yharim
so basically confirmed
gusty geode
I think Plantera's soul is in that mix, explaining the uncanny resemblance
cyan lagoon
Dokuro's lore is NOT accurate
the only accurate lore is on the Forum page and the wiki
dense girder
And who puts it there? Dokuro 
devout seal
Nope, the wiki editors do.
dense girder
And how do you know that Dokuro isn't one of them who adds lore?
dense girder
Exactly
dense girder
You can't know that
ashen warren
dense girder
For all you know about me I could be Dokuro
ashen warren
dont even reference SFM
dense girder
offtopic
ashen warren
dont do it
dense girder
halt
ashen warren
cease
dense girder
i told him to stop don't blame me yes sir
ashen warren
you're the one who referenced the meme in the first place but lets skedaddle now
gusty geode
Well then
paper wagon
Btw
They actually have the official Polterghast lore on the Wiki
Along with Crabulon
gusty geode
O sweet
ashen warren
@zinc lantern Go into defiled mode, take a zerg potion in the ocean and farm the jellies
zinc lantern
yeah i guess i could do that.. but i feel like it needs a recipe to make it less of a pain in the ass
dense girder
Arctic Diving Gear is useful for the Abyss and is pre-Skeletron
ashen warren
when did I mention that
dense girder
you didn't
I mentioned that Arctic Diving Gear, which needs the Necklace, is useful and Pre-Skeletron
Abyssal Diving Gear is post-Plantera
@sleek yew already a Polterghast hook suggestion
one that's already been accepted for review
vital grotto
sounds way too OP tbh
ashen warren
w h a t
sinful violet
ashen warren
Nobody uses light theme right? (I'm making an image post and planning on using white text to optimize for dark theme)
dull kite
lol light theme
ashen warren
lol gross
dense girder
i tried turning light theme on for the first time in a while
it's 1:49 am and that was a terrible idea it's so horrible
mighty nymph
Ayy same time zone
dull kite
rip triv
bold birch
White theme should be replaced with a grey theme
silverish grey
grey and black theme when
hollow shell
Calamity doesn't add a throwing emblem probably because Thorium already has one
which looks pretty much identical to that
ancient dragon
everyone gets shunned for using other mods anyways
ashen warren
Well, throwing still lacks in early game accessories
hollow shell
Yeah, it really only has Raider's Talisman
ashen warren
Yeah and that's basically a bootleg Thrower's emblem 
even though other mods have a throwing emblem, a throwing emblem in this mod might be necessary to set a foundation for future ones
hollow shell
what
dense girder
what
hollow shell
foundation?
west prairie
I did have a couple ideas for throwing accessories
ashen warren
Let's hear em
west prairie
They’re on my big doc
paper wagon
Baby Bumblebirb yes
uneven spoke
give me more throwing accesories
hollow shell
@slender sonnet https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Scourge_of_the_Cosmos
sinful violet
hollow shell
^
cyan lagoon
Visitation of the Moon?
sinful violet
An impressive coincidence, really
sinful violet
that's not much better, considering the name of the second theme
ah
not second
fuck i'm tired
slender sonnet
Scourge of the stars
hollow shell
just call it Scourge of the Stars
slender sonnet
?
hollow shell
there we go
slender sonnet
Nice
brave warren
ffs
zinc lantern
what exactly does the bot do..? dunno what it is lol
brave warren
sends suggestions to devs after 35 stars
round falcon
^^^
cyan lagoon
Rip the bot again
cyan lagoon
Fine :<
round falcon
cool and good
gusty geode
What's the point of a bot if it goes down when it's creator leaves
ashen warren
@ashen warren haha you used my name
ye
sounded better than scroll of the ninja for sure lol
lol it had a nice ring to it
gusty geode
Nobody said anything afaik
hollow shell
odd.
sinful violet
It was the guy with a panda pfp or whichever
gusty geode
Anyone else thing EoC and Ravager should get unique drops in their rematch?
sinful violet
EoC?
ashen warren
there wouldnt be a point for a rematch
if it just dropped it's shield in normal mode
while it already drops it in expert...
at that point it would be useless both modes
because master ninja gear exists
gusty geode
I have an idea in prototype stages, and it is in fact a new class: The Crasher. The way you attack is by running into things.
It's gonna need a ton of work, but I think it's a fun idea.
fervent zealot
tape DoG's head to a shield and you have the ultimate weapon
ashen warren
yes
apotheosis: shield edition
@gusty geode Come up with a doc of idea and I can sprite them if I find them interesting
gusty geode
I'll see what I can do.
ashen warren
Dm me the doc if you're interested
gusty matrix
would crasher use fist weapons? i could get down with that idea
ashen warren
sounds nice
gauntlets
crasher is too similar to melee however
it needs to have a unique feature
taking damage per hit?
gusty matrix
I suppose it would be a subset of melee
ashen warren
yeah
wouldn't be a fully fleshed out class
would do melee damage
wouldnt have special armor sets or accessories but be a subset
gusty geode
The way I see it, it's about as different from Melee as Throwing is from Ranged, and the idea of running into stuff to kill them sounds fun
ancient dragon
WeaponOut already has a fisticuff class btw.
gusty geode
@ashen warren apparently you misunderstood, you deal damage by making contact with enemies and there are no weapons at all
gusty geode
gritty crow
@quasi fable Bots can’t actually read 
gritty crow
Hey your idea was good! but you said it was a suggestion TO the bot... 
quasi fable
Oh 😤
gritty crow
Sorry just attempting and clearly failing to be funny
gusty geode
This bot has so far felt like a hindrance tbh
Limiting when people can put out their ideas
crude quartz
like Calamity accepted any of them anyways
gusty geode
I'm confident mine's at least a little better than the low-effort ones
sudden quail
I just want my Slimegirl Town NPC to be added. Not because slimegirls, waifus etc but because CALAMITY NEEDS TOWN NPCS
gritty crow
If the NPC doesn’t get googly eyes and say no u during parties I’ll be sad
Actually that would be horrible
gusty geode
No u 
sudden quail
Thanks, now I'm thinking about how the Slimegirl would react to the player during a Blood Moon...
gritty crow
sudden quail
Post-ML she has a guaranteed chance to summon Goozma instead 
gusty geode
oof
gritty crow
Ohhhh so that’s how one fights goozma! 
odd terrace
Imagine a community of pre-teens oblivious to this server that play Calamity
Who just hear of Goozma
gusty geode
Anyways, would love some thoughts on the Doc I posted, it's my idea for a new class
odd terrace
And make up elaborate theories of how to summon it
gusty geode
Lol
odd terrace
Like Mewtwo in Smash 64
gusty geode
Wait that was a thing that happened 
odd terrace
uh, yeah
ashen warren
@gusty geode I imagined it do be a series of shield/gauntlet weapons used to ram, instead this class is basically a "let the enemies hit me" style class
I don't think It would actually be enjoyable since it's just let yourself get hit, heal, repeat
weapons like the shield of cthulu represent that, you have to account for the bounceback and still actually dodge
in the same regards it's so similar to melee that I think it should just be a sub-class of melee
no new armors or accessories but weapons
just like yoyos, (they have the yoyo bag so I believe you could incorporate a couple accessories relating to the subclass)
gunners in ranged
gusty geode
It's as similar to melee as Throwing is to ranged
ashen warren
throwing was actually developed though
throwing is far apart from ranged because of the different ways the weapons work
while this clasher class would basically be the same thing as melee but with a new style of weapon
So if you want this class to make sense and be enjoyable, i suggest it have 1 or 2 unique accessories and a whole slew of weapons
just like yoyo is to melee, clasher is to melee
just like gunner is to ranger
bitter drift
the bot is back
bitter drift
7 in israel america eropa asia or where
sudden quail
It went off when Trivaxy said it would be off. Read moar
ashen warren
yeah discord shows you in your time zone when it was posted
crude quartz
7 EST my bad
crude quartz
4 hours behind
quasi fable
Oh
Okay
Utc-3
4
Lol
UTC-4 or GMT-4
But
I cant make any sense of it
Did it go down 20 hours ago
crude quartz
yeah
bitter topaz
@gusty geode i know it's around 9 hours ago because i fell asleep but the cultist can drop this thing; https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Stardust_Staff which is what i meant should be a 100% drop.
crude quartz
tfw the bot is not back up
ashen warren
no boss suggestions
crude quartz
specifically the "no bosses part" yes
ashen warren
mini boss suggestions ?
opal barn
Plus the bot is down
ashen warren
i think none of those either
crude quartz
same applies yes
covert obsidian
i am gonna spend days or even weeks 
ashen warren
did you read the #suggestions-voting pins
opal barn
I like the reasoning as to why it should be added, just because you spent a lot of time on this
covert obsidian
boss suggestions will never be accepted.
rip
ashen warren
it could be a rare enemy
covert obsidian
so have i spent 10 minutes writing that huge text barrier for nothing
ashen warren
just decrease the stats a little bit
covert obsidian
k
opal barn
And get a better Why it should be added section
ashen warren
thats a very pink brain
covert obsidian
yes
ashen warren
needs
covert obsidian
wait
ashen warren
shading
ashen warren
dont message like that
covert obsidian
today.
ashen warren
i got you mrrp
ashen warren
ohno what happened
sinful violet
Nothin
ashen warren
oh
@covert obsidian delete that message
that goes in here
not in there
unless you want to get eaten by a mod
covert obsidian
covert obsidian
hey @gusty geode thats not a bad idea tbh
ashen warren
its definitely interesting
ashen warren
pinging the suggestor is fine
covert obsidian
sudden quail
@little jolt Read the god-damn channel
dull kite
looks like im gonna have to put another message in
ill do it later if there are more appearing
vague olive
I put one already
heady comet
Preach
odd wadi
BroKe bot smh
tired haven
I had an idea of reworking/modifying Rage mechanic
Currently it is pretty underused and plain thing. I wanted to add several accessories (1, maybe 2 for each class) that will directly change rage style (so they are like "if you want to tactically use rage, pick 'em up) and apply unique effects fitting to class (Rough examples: No on-damage reset and longer duration if constantly attacking for melee, accuracy benefits for ranger, summoner's shadow minion copies, etc.)
It might be too complex but it's better than just another damage bar, right?
Any thoughts?
heady comet
What if you could disable adrenaline/rage like in the good ol days
quiet abyss
I have this idea to rework arcanum of the void and astral arcanum’s reflecting projectile effect, mainly cause I don’t like how it’s quite luck based and pretty much overshadowed by the other accs. The idea is instead of making it a chance, make the effect guaranteed to trigger when the player is below certain hp threshold, but give it either a long cooldown or make it only activates once per life like Silva armor. Any thoughts?
quasi fable
Once per life sounds good
When you have 100 hp or lower
The next blow
That way you could still get oneshot with it
Also it wouldnt interfere wkth silva and godslayer
tired haven
Maybe if it triggers on that low health better make it with 30-60 seconds cd?
quiet abyss
Mhm yeah that could be good
vague olive
Sounds nice
stoic narwhal
HEcc
tired haven
my suggestion being completely ignored meanwhile
quiet abyss
Well...its interesting. But although I agree with the “plain” part I dont really agree much with “underused”
Your idea is interesting though
tired haven
Well, "underused" mostly comes from that you can use rage only once per fight, and only if you actually cared to preserve it, may be wrong obviously, but it comes nowhere near adrenaline usage for me personally
quiet abyss
Hmm I guess I can understand that.
vague olive
I like the idea of rage accesories
quiet abyss
Gonna have to think carefully though. Dont make your ideas for unique rage effects too overpowered, and not too underwhelming either
ashen warren
anger talisman - certain hp thresholds will grant extra rage per hit, as well as small increments of extra damage
quiet abyss
That might help those who cant dodge well...and completely useless for nohitters
tired haven
I'm sure fabsol would take care of "over/underpowered" issue, main thing is to design some unique effects rn imho
quiet abyss
Hmm, well, ya got me interested I guess
tired haven
Isn't it good? One side gets one effect, another gets slightly weaker another effect
Adrenaline is cool as it is rn, it's rage that kinda falls apart
ashen warren
maybe an accessory that decreases damage reduction but increases the amount of rage you get per hit ?
that kinda sounds bad tho .
tired haven
And yeah, low hp rage boost acc effect above seems cool
This one kinda fits with berserker thingo and may work
ashen warren
rage is so unnoticed
tired haven
Also there could be a place for an accessory that greatly increases rage generation via getting hit or even allows to get it from damage (though I'm not sure how to balance this one out, feels too vague with all the weaponry available), but rage slowly degenerates over time unless fulfilled
I mainly wanted to focus on class rage gimmicks but that one can fit to certain class or just stay universal acc
ashen warren
maybe like an accessory that generates rage and the lower your health the higher the generation is
like, take damage, it starts to generate, and at smaller increments of health, it will generate more rage per second
and if you get back to full health the gen the thing will stop
vague olive
@thorn canyon can you read
vague olive
ashen warren
deleted the o h
vague olive
Delete it and post it here
vague olive
Specifically sarg
thorn canyon
i didnt save that.
welpp
basically net throwing consumable, deals damage, captures things like a bug net, yeet
ashen warren
sarg and mrrp will eat all of us
junior geode
what should I change in this. Or what should be added or reworked
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QlEOtKPeIL3T2dnIzH886SjDt0jMdPCL-eDVgCBsUjg/edit?usp=drivesdk
vague olive
Why do i need to request access
quiet abyss
..You forgot to make it so that everyone who has the link can go into to doc didn't you?
vague olive
Eh i dont think a bullet hell mode would really work
quiet abyss
^
junior geode
Tho it be a good challenge
junior geode
than again we got Supreme Calamitas
vague olive
Which is a super boss
junior geode
Tho the mode is suppose to be for players who played at least 1 bullet hell games
And no I am not counting Undertale as a bullet hell because I never played undertale
quiet abyss
The hitbox though, the hitbox
Remember, all hitboxes in Terraria is fixed to square/rectangle
Not like in typical bullet hell games where there's circle/oval hitboxes
junior geode
Ah maybe decreasing hit box sizes is another option
quiet abyss
Even if this mode sounds cool, it's better off becoming it's own mod rather than an implemented mode in calamity.
Imagine all the pain and frustration that would come with coding all this
junior geode
Well depends on how good your coding skills are
quiet abyss
You do realize that Terraria code is not the same as Bullet Hell games' codes right?
And no matter how good you are at coding, this kind of mode would take atleast months to be implemented, and even longer to test and fix all the bugs
vague olive
It just goes too far from what terraria is made for
junior geode
Yes I know but the suggestion is reserved for future use
quiet abyss
^ What portal said
vague olive
Terraria isnt a bullet hell game
junior geode
Yet like I said this is reserved for future use
quiet abyss
...Future use? Elaborate
tired haven
Shamely due to how terraria world is constructed it is not viable for bullethell level dodging
vague olive
^
tired haven
Gravity affection + low acceleration/decceleration of character
quiet abyss
Supreme Calamitas has bullet hell yeah, but she'll be the only one, and her bullet hell phases can barely be considered "bullet hell" by normal bullet hell games standards. Plus she's a superboss.
junior geode
@quiet abyss I am still working on other suggestions in mind
Currently in the process which may come out later once the bot is back up online.
That said I haven't started on the Kurax invasion suggestion
vague olive
And I never said I liked scal
tired haven
Honestly who likes scal over yharon and doggo
junior geode
Tbh SCal is mostly towards the bullet hell players
@tired haven me because of her Lore
Yes I am a nerd so what
tired haven
Well, I meant as bossfights, should've specified
Though I still appeal to yharon lore-wise more
junior geode
Well like I said it's for mostly players who played bullet hell games
tired haven
True
junior geode
Basically I threw my touhou Knowledge towards SCal's face
Because touhou is a unforgiving bullet hell game
like How SCal is unforgiving
Anyways we are going off track here I'll just get started on the Kurax thing
quiet abyss
"Unforgiving?" Pffft Even on Lunatic touhou barely reachs "hardcore" level of bullet hell game.
Go look at games like "虫姫さまふたり ~ Mushihimesama Futari" on ultra mode
Yeah I'll drop the topic now
junior geode
@quiet abyss haven't tried other games because I am the type of guy who just play free games or 2 to 10 dollar games anyways let's stop here
quiet abyss
...I already said I'll drop the topic though, but okay
junior geode
This is still in its WIP state and not a lot of stuff has been done on the drops and such you may also suggest other enemies than the standard ones I wrote in here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cWEqGkwVDeCVggrqb5hqZUR2giibCbqNeuYU1OXEr6M/edit?usp=drivesdk
And recipes aren't listed yet so ripperony
little jolt
okay but if you don't want people to use the channel that badly, shouldn't y'all restrict chat perms temporarily and pin p0rtal's message
it would probably be more efficient than reeing at continued posting
unless there is a very specific reason the staff don't want to do that
dull kite
time to mess around with my doc while the bot is down
im becoming the suggestions bot
lone plume
What do you think about Siege Weapons for the Goblin army? Like post ML, the goblins suddenly gain technological advances. They have gunslingers, Siege mortars and catapults, steampunk jet packs, etc.
The goblin army has a hardmode upgrade, but that’s about all. Them and the pirates really need some more love (and maybe the frost legion, but they are kinda a holiday event so meh).
junior geode
Tbh any thing I should do with the Kurax thing
cloud zodiac
I havent seen anymod that can change the damage number
Maybe a damage skin mod please?
like this ^
that would be awesome
candid dove
Nice Maplestory pic
candid dove
Don't quote me on this, but quite sure damage numbers are bound by font type, so if you change the font type, they should change too
candid dove
https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/kattui-a-terraria-interface-pack-by-techdude594-and-kiddles.47854/ This one changes font and other stuff, you could look into that
cloud zodiac
rip my wet dream
candid dove
And you can change the font, you can quote me on that one; so if the damage numbers are related to the font, you should be able to change it.
candid dove
Np
hearty yew
@cloud zodiac there's a mod that changes damage numbers to be colored differently based on damage type as well
it also has some other options like making the numbers bounce differently
bitter drift
pure gel pack created by 1 royal gel 1 hive pack 1 blue suletion 10 holy water 20 purified gel increaces spawn rate of slimes,slimes will have 25% less health all type of slimes are friendly should be Because there isn't an upgrade to the hive pack and royal gel and bad world gen + shity luck with new ore gen = have to grind slimes for 2 h
this is a suggestion
fervent zealot
hive pack upgrade exists already
it's called the plague hive
also what does this have to do with bees
and why not incorporate slime god drops into the recipe?
dull kite
Also i think a plague hive buff accessory was starred enough
bitter drift
ahhhh right sorry but i wanted to give it a hive mind (not boss) theme of slimes
dull kite
I'd check my doc but I deleted it and have to remake it LUL
fervent zealot
f
bitter drift
@dull kite evan for you the first hive up grade was enoeth?
dull kite
what
gusty geode
@ashen warren sry phone died
bitter drift
@dull kite do you think the the plague hive buff is good enough
dull kite
The buffed plague hive iirc was a bit past ML
dull kite
if i remember correctly
gusty geode
Anyways, the way I see it it becomes a decision of whether or not a hit is worth taking, as you are essentially the ultimate tank class. You attack by being attacked. Vanilla Terraria already has items like this, such as the Honey Comb, Star Cloak, Thorns Potion, etc
cloud zodiac
@hearty yew ty
steep sail
thorns class when
bitter drift
@dull kite if i remember correctly the plague hive has a bad debuff but i can change the hive pack if someone can find me something to connect to a hive mind(not boss)
bitter drift
from what i saw it's a preddy big deal
but can someone find me something related to a hive mind (not boss)
bitter drift
i never saw this
bitter drift
but i still didn't find something to swich the hive pack with
again i want something hivemind related (not boss)
bitter drift
what the mana over loader and i used purefide gel
fervent zealot
mana overloader is slime god's expert drop
bitter drift
i know but this have nothing to do with a hive mind
fervent zealot
it's from slime god, which is the hive mind of slimes
bitter drift
it the slime king ultimate vertion
gritty crow
Slime god is hive mind confirmed
fervent zealot
slime god is a better hive mind than old hive mind was
gritty crow
Okay I’ll give you that
bitter drift
no it not i read the lore he calls the ebonians and crimbulen slimes
bitter drift
is the lore got updated
fervent zealot
no, you're just bad at reading apparently
gusty geode
bitter drift
you shit
gusty geode
Reeeeposting here for discussion
fervent zealot
insult me even though your reading comprehension is bad aight dude
gusty geode
Now calm down, let's not kill each other
bitter drift
@gusty geode why are you suggesting your self
gritty crow
Go fight in #general-talk please
Crasher class sounds interesting, but it would either need invincibility frames upon hits (which would wreck no hits) or have a high level of life steal
fervent zealot
or just scaling defense
gusty geode
The idea is even higher defense than melee to compensate for being forced to get hit
fervent zealot
defense that should only really come into play at high velocities or after getting a hit in
otherwise it's bad player: the class
gritty crow
still wouldn’t work for Death mode DoG though
dull kite
yeah, a crasher type class doesn't seem viable at all for death
bitter drift
interesting but it will choe your health
gritty crow
And I don’t care how high your defense is, astralgeddon slime is going to kill you in any mode on contact
dull kite
if it were to be a thing, then it'd need armour bonuses to negate those OHKO attacks
and idk how aids that is to code
gusty geode
That's late game, the items you see are all pre-HM
bitter drift
pure gel pack created by 1 royal gel 20 true shadow scales/20 blood samples 1 blue suletion 10 holy water 20 purified gel 100 gel increaces spawn rate of slimes,slimes will have 25% less health all type of slimes are friendly should be Because there isn't an upgrade to the hive pack and royal gel and bad world gen + shity luck with new ore gen = have to grind slimes for 2 h
this is a suggestion what about it don't see a raeson to add mana overloder
gusty geode
Instakill immunity sounds good tho
dull kite
now i go back to making my doc
gritty crow
Yeah, Calamity isn’t the best mod to be adding new classes
They’d probably love it in Thorium or another one of the larger mods with classes though
Ooh I do like that gel pack idea actually
fervent zealot
yeah the concept is good but the recipe is lame
bitter drift
good like it when i bring good ideas and don't fack up
@fervent zealot i don't have much options you saw what i get give me a beter idea and i will see
fervent zealot
something along the lines of royal gel, a large amount of gel, mana overloader, and 20ish purified gel would be bettter than what you have
dull kite
okay i got 1 part of my document redone!
bitter drift
i changed it
fervent zealot
haha you don't see a reason to add mana overloader
i don't see a reason to add blue solution or holy water
bitter drift
the pureity thing
bitter drift
#no nutral staff in here
fervent zealot
what are you even trying to say
bitter drift
and it goes with the gel (nutral) that you added
fervent zealot
if you want to go with a pure gel theme mana overloader is the way to go
it comes from slime god, who's the source of purified gel already
bitter drift
and i want it to be a hard mode thing
fervent zealot
just make its crafting station the mythril anvil
problem solved
heck, you could make it the crystal ball for that matter
bitter drift
another update on the suggest i will bring it here changed
pure gel pack created by 1 royal gel 20 true shadow scales/20 blood samples 1 blue suletion 10 holy water 20 purified gel 100 gel increaces spawn rate of slimes,slimes will have 25% less health all type of slimes are friendly should be Because there isn't an upgrade to the royal gel and bad world gen + shity luck with new ore gen = have to grind slimes for 2 h
this is a suggestion what about it don't see a raeson to add mana overloder made at a cristal ball
ashen warren
Learn how to spoken
fervent zealot
. . . you still didn't remove the blue solution (or fix the typo) or holy water
ashen warren
Hive Pack is already used for crafting, isn't it?
fervent zealot
that's why he removed it from the revised recipe
ashen warren
Right.
bitter drift
emm the FBI i'm herbue
bitter drift
yes
fervent zealot
doesn't matter what you are, that kind of english is really not acceptable
ashen warren
^^
Google Translate fucks up grammar and words but it gets the point across.
Please use that instead.
bitter drift
i'm on google translate
fervent zealot
google translate doesn't mispell words
ashen warren
^^
dull kite
i can respell it for you
bitter drift
yes but thanks evan (fills bad)
fervent zealot
english machine broke
bitter drift
aahhhhhh at least i'm one of the best on my class
fervent zealot
that just makes me more afraid for your people
either way back on topic the idea is good but needs polishing
bitter drift
the hive thing is the odd thing in here
dull kite
Pure Gel Pack Crafted With: 1 Royal Gel, 20 True Shadow Scales/20 Blood Samples, 1 Blue Solution, 10 Holy Water 20 Purified Gel 100 Gel at a Crystal Ball
Increases spawn rate of slimes, all slimes will have 25% less health, and all type of slimes are friendly.
this should be correct
fervent zealot
yeah that's an english version of what he said
dull kite
but even though english is my main language im still bad at it
bitter drift
also talking is ez for me i'm bad at spelling
fervent zealot
he has that listed
dull kite
It's right after the crafting recipe
Also, you dont need to spam space to make a new line
You can hit the "Shift" and "Enter" key (at the same time) to make a new line.
Like this.
bitter drift
is my suggestion good with you @dull kite and everyone alse
fervent zealot
i still think the blue solution and holy water should be removed
bitter drift
even if it will probobly will not get in
dull kite
I agree with the blue solution, but the holy water is fine to me
bitter drift
@fervent zealot it make sens with the true shadow scales
dull kite
he didnt say anything about the scales/samples..?
fervent zealot
he's trying to justify the "pure" aspect of it
bitter drift
yes it did chack again
fervent zealot
i just think having that many things in a recipe is dumb
bitter drift
yaaa like the every other super exesory
dull kite
The only thing I'd change is removing blue solution
ashen warren
'exesory'
bitter drift
and it ok to remove @dull kite
dull kite
you want me to remove it from my message?
bitter drift
@ashen warren you grammer nazi
fervent zealot
he's not a grammar nazi
bitter drift
and you can
fervent zealot
he just has actual standards for english
fervent zealot
better to learn from your mistakes rather than complain about them
ashen warren
especially when said mistakes are pretty horrifying
dull kite
please talk about your english in general, it doesn't belong here
gritty crow
Storm weaver mount that is slow at first but speeds up upon enemy contact, has limited flight time but also gets a boost to that on enemy contact
opal barn
That swift change
gritty crow
I forgot about the Fabsol mount
bitter drift
i have another suggestion mosstone (yha i know its mispelled not an acident)
1 shiny stone 1 spore sack 20 divine geodes at an ainchant manipulater
heal the players super fast 100 hp per sec create when not moving 0 when moving a spore bubble each spore do 1000 damage spores disable at boss fights
reason is that shiny stone and blood flare set are too slow
dull kite
that sounds a bit broken
bitter drift
fixed @dull kite
bitter topaz
just use google translate
reading that was
anyway there's already a vanilla item called the moonstone (if that's what you were even trying to spell)
bitter drift
@bitter topaz no i spelled mosstone moss stone
ashen warren
100hp per second when not moving is enough to tank your way up to yharon
unless your on death
gusty geode
It looks to me like if something is bad in Death Mode, it's bad period.
vague olive
Zerg cheese
gusty geode
Anyone else think items should be balanced for a casual setting rather than for making the super challenging mode less challenging?
vague olive
What
gusty geode
I mean, I've seen weapon suggestions that sounded fun but didn't get stars because they weren't viable in DM
Then again, maybe I'm just salty my class idea faced that fate
vague olive
Thats.. probably not why they didnt get stars
opal barn
The ideas didn't get stars because they were bad, not because they weren't viable in DM
proud jackal
I mean adding something that is inherently unviable defies the purpose of it being added
Why work on something destined to fail if we're talking about adding stuff for it to be there rather then used
ashen warren
Crasher is problamatic so say the least, if you give it good defense in order to have more endurance to fight against bosses using your own contact damage then you would have no reason to not use the class. If you give it low defense and high contact damage, there is no way to outlast a boss, trying to kill it with contact damage. If you give it very high defense, the armor would also have to come with a damage debuff, a severe one, and even then you probably couldn't sustain yourself to kill a boss. If you give it a slight damage debuff it loses the point of being a contact damage class if you can outrange everything and just have bonus damage if something hits you. The only way I see a balance in the class is a high damage debuff and the contact damage you do, will be how much damage the boss does before factoring in defense, and even then it would take a lot of balancing.
proud jackal
The only way it'd work is if it had some sort of parry where you block an attack and deal damage just sitting there and face Tanking a boss and waiting for it to die is just silly
ashen warren
Maybe if you gave it a health bonus for each set as well, but even then taking that much damage is bad. And a parry would be good, but fights would take forever, you would just be waiting for the parry to cooldown, making it unfun in general.
proud jackal
Well sitting there and dealing damage by being hit is braindead
If it is effective then it is broken if it isn't then it is useless
wide patrol
We already have SoC, Asgard's valor, and plenty other charge ability items
ashen warren
exactly
wide patrol
And they're barely useful late game
wide patrol
And download Fargo's if you're thinking about doing damage by dodging attacks. All you need is Turtle enchant and master ninja gear+
ashen warren
thats dumb, youre just playing a game of rng instead of skill
wide patrol
Exactly
proud jackal
Yeah
If you can actively parry
Let's say timing for when you are right about to take damage
Then it can at least be playable
ashen warren
even then if you can parry fast you spam, if not youre waiting for a cooldown
proud jackal
Otherwise it is standing still and praying
wide patrol
Hmm
proud jackal
Perhaps the parry has a long cooldown reduced when you actually parry
wide patrol
When you involve parrying, it might actually be a viable class
But it's discount melee still
ashen warren
even then its not hard to time a contact hit, especially with slow projectiles and bosses
wide patrol
You might as well call it a subclass or something
proud jackal
Honestly making it contact would be stupid
How do you fight bosses that actively run
ashen warren
its not viable and if it is its op, it cant really be balanced
proud jackal
Perhaps really strong weapons/buffs only usable for a short amount of time after parrying
ashen warren
but then it loses the point of a contact damage class, and it becomes a counter class
which doesnt sound bad really
wide patrol
If Crasher were going to be a thing, I think that it would be considered a subclass for melee, and focuses on high damage, high speed, and SoC like attacking.
ashen warren
so low defense?
ashen warren
it cant have all high stats with high defense
wide patrol
Maybe below average melee
wide patrol
I meant below average of the melee defense and bouncing off the target as you attack it, alike to the SoC, as I said.
Making Bounce a variable in reforges possibly
Replacing knockback with bounce maybe
ashen warren
ehh
gusty geode
Maybe a bit of both to maintain it's role as a tank class
Deal damage from being hit as well as have a really close range parry attack
wide patrol
Something wrong with the dodging capabilities of bounce?
proud jackal
Maybe it can be an accessory that like reduces your damage by 50% but for a few seconds after parrying bumps it up by 150-200%
wide patrol
That sounds pretty good
gusty geode
I mean, in the original image of the class dodging was bad, maybe it's just too gamechanging to fit
wide patrol
Maybe Crasher type weapons could have a thing where their bounce and movement speed are increased as you Parry more, up to 3 time
Too gamechanging? That's calamity in a nutshell, isn't it?
gusty geode
Good point
proud jackal
Maybe it can fill a meter that the Fuller it is the stronger you are but the meter depletes when you take damage
wide patrol
Sounds like more revengeance stats
But that could be fine
But no meter
Just buffs
proud jackal
A meter would be a better representation of what you're doing
wide patrol
Or maybe an effect to show a level of your Crasher bonuses
Maybe something like an afterimage?
proud jackal
I mean this is more of a fencer
Although this sounds more like an agile class rather than a tank
wide patrol
Anything alike to facetanking on quick bosses like spazmatism may require insane amounts of speed
And DoG
Maybe some armors that create projectiles depending on speed
proud jackal
So you block projectiles
golden shoal
anyone think magna striker needs a right click attack that makes it shoot lots of magna
oh and this attack does magic dmg
so that way mages aren't left out
golden shoal
.....
but i just think it's annoying to upgrade a mage weapon with a ranged weapon and make it only range
wide patrol
Yeah
bitter topaz
same happens post-ml in reverse
golden shoal
the left click stays same and left click has a magic attack similer to magna cannon but faster and slightly more dmg
wide patrol
Aether's Whisper did it right
bitter topaz
but efferesence sucks ass so it's mostly a moot point
wide patrol
Vortexpopper hates bad computers
wide patrol
None
golden shoal
XD
i'm playing mage rnow and i love magna cannon and the dinamic between the two weapons but an alternate mage attack makes it so much cooler
wide patrol
Just give it the same attack except mana usage and magic damage and it'll be fine
Oh
Oh whatever
golden shoal
though my other sugg works too
though i think it should be magna attack as thats the part that is mage
i'll post it when bot live
ima delete the dumb one with a third mele mushroom weapon
gusty geode
I was imaging late-game Crasher gear would provide immunity to Potion Sickness, it would have to be a set effect so people don't abuse it
golden shoal
what late game crasher gear?
swift wharf
What about a magna striker upgrade?
golden shoal
that mage
ooh i like it
maybe post polter so usefull v dog
or post dog so for yhar
anyway i have to go
junior geode
Updated this a bit there's still a lot of stuff to add to this suggestion so what should I add
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cWEqGkwVDeCVggrqb5hqZUR2giibCbqNeuYU1OXEr6M/edit?usp=drivesdk
inner rover
I have a question...
But before I do I would like to make sure a few people are here
red walrus
inner rover
alright then
So, you may or may not be familiar with these to. Over a week ago, I posted these two elemental Pet ideas on the suggestion channel (both posted separately) and they got enough stars to be sent to the devs, which is great! But there is only one other elemental pet remains. Does anyone want to see it? otherwise It doesn't feel right not posting it, and it IS the last one.
ashen warren
I’m working on the sprites for these little ones
So that away everyone knows
Otherwise, this is his suggestion, not mine
inner rover
yup
junior geode
Tbh any opinions on what should I change in that suggestion I am still working on
Also nice
ashen warren
What suggestion?
junior geode
The Kurax thing
ashen warren
Idk
junior geode
Ye we'll have to discuss it here
ashen warren
I can’t find it
junior geode
Wait what
inner rover
Scroll up untill you see "Updated this a bit there's still a lot of stuff to add to this suggestion so what should I add"
brb
ashen warren
Okek
ashen warren
^
hearty yew
but no other mod adds the thrower class
as well as calamity does
that's why i am so confused dude
calamity should support itself, should it not
ashen warren
Uh, Calamity doesn’t do Throwing class like SacredTools
sacredtools throwing class is horribly unbalanced
True
Why does the bot keep on going down
crude quartz
literally every mod ever adds one
yeah hm I wonder why
ashen warren
The bot gets over worked then, I suppose
correct me
quantam breaker is viable from moon lord all the way to the challenger
crude quartz
they're rebalancing the insane quasar armor and weapons stuff, but that's not for here now is it
crude quartz
no
brave warren
tbh just make fun suggestions or nothing ee
ashen warren
Can I make a suggestion telling us to get a life
brave warren
hey i have 500 HP i don't need to get a life again grrr
ashen warren
you need blood oranges 
brave warren
fuc
ashen warren
and miracle berries, elder berries, and a dragon fruit
And Elder Bery
Fuc
haha
Lo
What if Calamity just added another life fruit that added only one hp
death fruits from terries mod
crude quartz
is this offtopic-ry
ashen warren
Okek
gritty crow
why are people still posting in suggestions attempts to do so are futile
ashen warren
Idk why
probably because a mod posted a suggestion so people think we're in the clear to do so
Oof
Maybe they should tell us when the bot is active
triv said it was going offline for 5 days so
FUCKING HELL
crude quartz
Christ y’all can survive holding off for 5 days it’s not that big a deal
ashen warren
I know
gritty crow
almost none of the suggestions made would go in anyway guys
ashen warren
crude quartz
truth
crude quartz
1 because Zach and 2 because it's an oversight
mighty nymph
Oh
steep island
1 because vore and 2 because you're gay
mighty nymph
Thank
gusty geode
@topaz moth I'm pretty sure Aquatic Scourge and Brimstone are alternatives to the mech bosses too
ashen warren
anyone knows since when #suggestions-voting has been such systematic
mighty nymph
Since the bot I guess
ashen warren
@gusty geode @topaz moth
Cryogen is the Destroyer alternative
Brimstone Elemental is the Skeletron Prime alt
Aquatic Scourge is the Twins alt
To answer your questions
gusty geode
Calamity needs a WoF alt
ashen warren
NO
gusty geode
Or just an alt for every boss, so you basically never have to touch vanilla
ashen warren
That suggestion is just, stupid
gusty geode
Wait that's a boss suggestion 
ashen warren
Yes
mighty nymph
mighty nymph
I spot King Crimson
lusty idol
The new suggestions system is incredibly brilliant. Mostly regarding the '# of stars to approve' method.
Also, the pins have a format for suggesting weapons and enemies. This doesn't necessarily mean we have to suggest one of the two, right?
mighty nymph
Yes
crude quartz
reeeeeeee the bot's down
lusty idol
If a suggestions gets 70 stars (35 * 2), would the bot count it twice?
(I don't know bots much, just curious)
mighty nymph
I don't think it would
gusty matrix
crasher class sounds interesting, but I think it would be better as a series of upgrades to Shield of Cthulhu or other accessories. It would still scale with melee like the shield, but each upgrade could have a new passive with it? (eg Gives a second dash when colliding with an enemy, or gaining momentum as you move, which becomes damage when you "crash"?)
ashen warren
Yeah I don't like the idea of just having armor and letting yourself get hit
gusty matrix
if you were thorns paladin from diablo or Block Gladiator from Path of Exile, it makes sense. the main problem is that you really can't express that idea into a game like terraria/calamity
ashen warren
yeah exactly
espicially in calamity where you can't get hit more than 5 times
or you die
gusty matrix
if crasher worked like a dash in, dash out playstyle it makes more sense. but having a bunch of mobility would require it to be locked to an item that disallows other playstyles
ashen warren
also, think about SCal. the crasher class would suck against her because of the hit cap with the armor only idea
gusty matrix
but still i really like the idea
ashen warren
yes it is interesting
gusty geode
I see what you're saying, only problem is Shield of Cthulu is Expert+
ashen warren
Don't rely on the SoC for that class
just use it as a basis for other weapons
shield of thorns, vile shield, etc
gusty matrix
yeah that would be best
ashen warren
I suggest a buffed thorn potion for that class as well
due to it only lasting 1 minute atm
gusty matrix
bumper cars item that makes you bounce off a collision
ashen warren
ye
I don't think the class should have custom armors either since it's basically a sub class of melee
does melee damage and has a couple of accessories that have special effects ( like yoyo bag )
basically just accessories and weapons
gusty matrix
on one hand, having whole Crasher armor sets is a bit excessive. But maybe locking some of the more powerful parts of crasher behind set bonuses would help prevent abusing it (such as using bumper cars as a safety mechanism against Skeletron)
ashen warren
ye
gusty matrix
i'd love to keep discussing crasher, would you allow people to comment (not edit) on the google doc to talk more about it?
stoic narwhal
*scream
ashen warren
screams
gusty geode
Reworked the Crasher Class based on your suggestions, now it sounds even more fun and takes skill to use
ashen warren
alrighty
gonna see
Current ideas look pretty good but right now they're just accessories
could use some weapons
I'll get to spriting some
gusty geode
Sweet thx
gusty matrix
maybe replace charging shield's recipe to spiky shield + charging boots
ashen warren
^
gusty geode
Do I have to repost the Doc if I want to update it
crude quartz
did uh
you guys not see what was said last time?
about how Calamity doesn't want to add another class ever?
hate to burst everyone's collective bubble but uh
yeah
gusty geode
Could be a Melee subclass
strong monolith
gusty geode
I guess that works out because, if at all possible, this class aims for NO weapons; all damage is done via accessories after running into your enemy at high speeds.
Would have had special armor sets but that was too much apparently
gusty matrix
perhaps crasher could have a short run from pre-skeletron to early hm, and then slowly become obsolete as the accessories lose value compared to stronger weapons/accessories.
gusty geode
So vanilla throwing
gusty matrix
still does melee, so it still does pretty good until other options in melee become available (especially projectile melee weapons)
gusty geode
Projectile melee isn't really melee imo, but that's #general-talk
past cape
@ashen warren 3 D W O R M S
ashen warren
oh no
crude quartz
@ashen warren perish
uneven spoke
oh god
ashen warren
🤔
uneven spoke
new 3d adventure coming to the switch
gusty geode
3D Providence would be badaas
gusty geode
3D Perferators
Also a Gmod Game mode would look nicer and have less of a stigma attaches to it
ashen warren
I mean, I imahine the playstyle be that of kingdom hearts with locking onto the target, but no other aspect
I thought of the same with providence as well
Only with the character fighting the poltarghast would be sachi from SAO honestly, and a guy with a gun
gusty geode
delicate raft
You really like Polterghast
hazy swan
limber oxide
ima keep it real wit u, no copper shortsword meme
ashen warren
Ye, when it comes to the spirit blue of the sprite, It makes me think of it glowing in the dark in 3d
cyan lagoon
@weary crest meme suggestions are very well not allowed here
limber oxide
copper shortsword memes are dead and should stay that way
weary crest
who said that was a meme suggestion