#suggestions-discussion
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5% chance pretty crappy for that tbh
@unborn ore no meme/stupid suggestions are allowed
i really like that polter hook idea
making the bind toggle between modes would be nice though
since i'd rather still use E for other hooks
Same. Calamity really misses on hooks now
Maybe just make that hook second mode since first is not really fun
@subtle zinc Please stop posting random things in here, with no context to the conversation.
Even if it is part of your suggestion, it doesn't help if you're just saying "C r a b c a k e"
ok
Thanks
If I edit my suggestion the bot will still recognize it right?
o
unless it got put back online already
What happens if something got 35 stars before the bot comes back online?
I mean it ignores posts before it existed so
People seriously like the Astral Crystyl?
It's decent
Wow
I need to make a doc for it so I can Flesh it out
would be cool if you could make astral ammo
with them
so i could make an astral crystyl farm for my guns :v
post gets ignored iirc
Thanks for giving me ideas
Damn
that astral crystyl idea is real good though.
Ill have to repost my thing then
make it able to craft a non consuable astral beacon
:D I’m fleshing Astral Crystyl now
i'm glad i made my suggestion about the mage helm's and mana before it went offline 
giving the calamity mage helms +mana stats
I'm not the best spriter so I had to revert to that when I tried something more high res
ahh YES PLEASE
because all bar ataxia lack them
i'm doing mage so i care
@golden shoal Bat hook is obtainable in goodie bags, lunar hook is still better
Just checked
it says it's slower but use em you'll see
frost moon, lunar, and pumpkin moon hooks are all faster and longer
btw just set your computer's time to halloween time
pretty sure there's a mod that allows you to turn off and on seasons
So do you guys think there should be an upgrade to Plague Hive, or just an upgrade to the bee weapons themselves with Plague Hive remaining as it is?
ok its faster than pump hook and is slightly better that luner for speed
bee weps
I pitched an idea for a Plague Hive upgrade but it has the problem of not having anything stronger to add to it without taking items that already have recipes. I have an idea for a Bee's Knees upgrade that I want to work out before I post it here, so that'll be a thing soon.
I was thinking of a weapon that uses Malevolence and Bee's Knees to make another bow
But it would be well into later game before you get it, obviously. But should it be post providence, or farther back?
So for our suggestions, are we allowed to suggest items that build out of one or two boss drops, or is that discouraged?
No, an item that uses boss drops in its recipe
why would that be discouraged
because it forces players to grind bosses for drops, which might not be what the makers intend
that's a dumb reason
fab is fine with somewhat grindy items
we have legendaries with a 1% drop rate
yeah, but legendaries don't craft into anything else
cosmic discharge
apoth is meme
apoth is a very serious and respectable weapon
ah yes u right thats why it killed SCal in 10 seconds
but if you're talking about something that uses a normal boss weapon drop it's totally fine
well, it exists, so I guess that makes boss weapons as a material is fair game.
@gusty geode can you put all your ideas into a doc you keep burying ideas 

please
Who the hell uses hooks past the Wall of Flesh anyways
I’ve never done that
It’s useful and you should
Hook a block then let go to refresh all jumps and flight
yeah
lol what
how do you beat bosses without using the hook to refresh your flight time 
i dont do that

i only use boss arenas when im forced to
i.e scal and doggo
I usually put a high up platform so I can refresh flight time when needed and continue circling the boss
circle strat for doggo

and you fight WoF without an arena?
yea
noice
i just mine the obsidian towers and call it a day
yeah that works but you gotta have something to walk on water unless you're careful
like water walking potions

yes
i always make the buff things from luiafk
the tool time from it is a god save and I built a bridge to the end of hell in 5 minutes
lmao yes!
I placed faster than I could run with frostspark on ice
fast digging ftw
lets go to #other-mod-talk
ye
@dense girder that was actually taken from a doc, I have tons of others
post the entire doc then
Again? You can still find the last time I posted it pretty easy
why are you posting suggestions from a doc you already posted
that's just like
reeeee-posts
reeeee
i could post my flail doc again but im not gonna
it didnt get it last time so it wont get it this time
Do I make a new doc every time I have suggestions?
Got it
since all your suggestions are text walls yes
@subtle zinc yeah, im crabby.
when your suggestion gets a lot of stars but the bot is down 

i got 35 stars on my fried chicken suggestion yesterday, was it down then ?
no
hehe yes
Same
bot went down earlier today
I think it went down before I got enough
Well, since I can't repost my old idea, any ideas for another post ML hook when the bot comes back?
it has 34 stars
yeah but the bot's down even if it gets 1 more
when the bot's up you can just get someone to star it
what if someone stars it beforehand
what if i star it myself 
what if i beat you to it? 
you get shame
:d
oh crap
well now I'm thinking of a DoG themed hook or minecart
3 sentinels drop pieces for minecart and then you use cosmilite bars and the pieces to make it
iirc you can ping Iq if your suggestion hits the star threshold and he'll add it himself
mod who manages the bot iirc
well there are like 3 suggestions that hit the star total now i think after the bot went down
nah the only thing that's hit it is the polter hook suggestion
someone said that the bot would be down for a while. I guess they'll let us know when it's back up
Ye, we might have to restar the suggestions that made it
Oof me
Dk though
everyone? or once it gets a new star it will count
just one
I'm saving my star for when the bot comes back
I don’t know if that’s how the bot works though
supposedly once it sees the updated star count it will send it to the devs
we should prolly ask triv
ye
So just vanilla bosses revengeance/death mode?
Honestly the vannila ones have the weakest changes
I've posted a new doc. It's got a few things you may have seen before, but most of it is new.
make sure to add new changes/ideas to that doc, if they pertain to that series of changes.
and set it to where anyone can view
Shit
Also another mod entirely would mean excessive more coding to edit bosses from another mod basically..
And if you don't want calamity items don't use them
delete your first message, you should be able to.
How tf do I delete a doc post
No need to make a whole new mod
It won't let me
The same way you delete a message
The UI won't appear
mouse over it, there's a triple-dot on the right side of the text, click it and click delete
On mobile, tried holding but nothing shows up
pretty sure they're identical Mrrp, judging by link
Top one
current link works.
Thx
@ashen warren Nice suggestion about a necroplasm hook, but I already did one with the same name. 
I sprited mine too
oh shiz
how was he supposed to know 

^^
I just found it funny how literally it was the same name as my suggestion
damn'
tfw it has the right amount of stars but bot is dead
i type in smug and that comes out
Wait nevermind my suggesion name was necroplasma hook but the folder I stored my hook in was called Necroplasmic hook
:intense sweating
Any thoughts on my suggestions? I figured a multi-class post-DoG armor set would be a nice idea, especially considering afaik there isn't one for throwing at that point
So is suggestions just gone right now?
bot is dead iirc
for now*
I was dumb
I had the folder thing closed
I just feel bad for ya now
ikr
So suggestions dissapeared
ty
So now what, do we wait for the bot and then repost everything
I think so
or
if your thing does get 35 stars before the bot comes up
screenshot it with the stars and send it to a dev
with the stars so that they know it isn't just a dumb suggestion
Not bad, I see I'm not alone when I say they need expansion
Cant a mod just manually log things for when the bots offline?
Lots of -lysts
Also, an attack that drains you Mana?
Noice
@junior geode sir why is only the eidolon phantolyst the one in bold and the eidolon cryolist the only one with a colon

Ah fuck forgot hol up
Also, you didn’t mention hp, and damage values, and most importantly drops
Alright I'll edit it again
Phantolyst still doesn’t have a colon 
Stats are not required iirc
Throwing this out there: somebody should suggest a harder and improved Eidolist for post-Polterghast
n o
It's generic and boring, quite bland
"The Eidolist religion rapidly overtakes the denizens of the land."
bullshit that ain’t even used that much
Eidolists are flying wyrms
no
they're half wyrm half cultist iirc
wtf
eidolists are cultists half-transformed into eidolon wyrms
just disguised as a cultist.
where do you get your facts, mate
One of the developers.
They’re a hybrid actually. 
^
nah
It feels too wordy for me tbh
what I suggested or?

Reappearance 
No what I suggested
The Lorde makes a reappearance in Infinity War 2 
try this
"The Eidolist religion rapidly overtakes the denizens of the land."
No
Ik, that word just seems a reason why you think it is too wordy
That’s even more wordy
And what does denizens mean
If "The Eidolons have been released" is too wordy then how do you speak 
”The Eidolon Outburst has begun...”
?
"ya boi big spook is now here"
denizens = inhabitants
Let’s just go with “the eidolists have been unleashed”
sure
Eidolons free
"The Eidolons emerge from the depths"?
goddamnit
or from wherever
phantom your suggestion was ass
no u.
sure sugardad
Also, Giant Eidolons
“r a w r”
don't make much sense, considering the adult eidolon is as big as they get.
lmao they’re still an Eidolon irrespective
Eidolists are wyrms that are super young dressed in cultist clothes
u wot
They are juveniler than juvenile wryms
The juveniles aren't even juveniles atm.
nothing intuitive and useful at that point anyways
they're the Adolescent, not juevnile.
They have some armor, but not as much as the adult.
They're strong, but not as strong as the adult.
They are adolescent.
The eidolists are the juveniles.
@crude quartz where’s your wiki role
And they don't have the armor.
my wiki role?
It was tooked from him
Mods are tookers and must be stopped
o
I don't contribute to the wiki and don't see what I even could
you had a dark grey name before dumbo you had one
no u
All those materials and nothing to make out of them yet? Nice tease
@gusty geode I'll make a section about the Eidolon weapons soon as there might not be enough space for it in that post
Alright
Hoping somebody read the Doc I posted earlier, would love some constructive criticism
@junior geode wall of text much
also stats are super low for a post-yharon enemy
3000/6000 health?
cmon.
not even supposed to give stats anyway because devs will decide if/when it's implemented
🆗
read pins
it clears a lot of space that goes with suggesions normally but I know Masterings and I tested weapons with modders toolkit to see what buffs would be most appropriate for them, so you need stats for those
if you follow pins exactly then you basically cannot suggest buffs or nerfs for things
actually they don't conflict
one says do not ADD stats to your suggestion
a suggestion being about CHANGED stats does not ADD new stats
sorry that the english languauge has words that mean actual things
alright
can we get someone to pin a message about putting suggestions that fucking long in docs
^
When i see a doc i just kinda ignore it
that tiny little embed for docs isnt very eye-catching
^
about the same amount of people who read text walls
I dont
neither do I
a big page-filling text wall with a rainbow at the bottom is much better 
if its that long and for some filler content then it doesn't catch my eye
please
giant suggestion
and thanks for burying my shit and other people's shit by the way
just make a goddamn doc, the mods already said to do so for big walls of text
@plush gazelle wth is that ROY thingo
I am aware of Goozma
It's basically undertale goozma
pretty sure boss suggestions will be ignored
also yeah pins dude
good thing I didnt spend long on it

fr

at most miniboss suggestions

If you actually sprite it yourself
when is the bot gonna come back online
I have 56 stars 
got 36 for my other one
I'm happy because one of my suggestions got 35 stars, meaning somehow people like me or the shit my brain comes up with so I feel special 
I have some ice pyramid rework in-mind but I'm not submitting it until I code it
cuz otherwise it won't even be considered otherwise
There's ice pyramids?
due to how annoying worldgen code is
rework how so?
entirely new structure
new purpose that l0st and I are still working out
it'd be cool to have a diff formation
maybe a small palace or a circular thing or smth
like an ice Temple but with some decent loot and no boss
oh wait it could have a cryogen summoner
exactly
that would be hot to see that pile of garbage reworked
:^)

maybe give the ice biome something worth me keeping it around for?
are we able to repost suggestions after it comes back online :v
i will look over all the suggestions that reached 35 stars and log them
due to your own stupidity no guess not lol
ah, thanks
Wait when did the bot broke
the bot didn't break
earlier today
you guys still do remember that when i first started the bot i said it was a "public test"
i just needed to test the performance etc etc
ye
it did fairly well for my expectations
that's hot
so the bot sends ideas that get 35+ stars to HQ, or does it do other things?
sends
So will you pin another post when the bot is back online?
@fervent zealot one sec
this jungle lighting bug
thanks to it i couldn't see two hives that i needed
confirmed not just me, other people have it too
oh yeah i noticed oddities with minimap too
guess you'll just have to look with your eyes for the time being 
Slimegirls hahayes
@restive coral Cant you just manually log suggestions that hit the 35 while the bot is down?
he said he would psure
Scrolling up? what is this mystical and arcane art you speak of?
Unfortunetly unlikely to happen
We used to have spriting and art for that sorta thing but it was replaced with the art server
https://discord.gg/7auG6m (link to art server)
pretty fukn dead server
this server doesn't go a full minute without any messages normally
none there for 5 minutes 
@past cape no
the Lightning Soda sounds cool BuffFrog
Sounds cool
it makes the game harder since your reaction times are shorter and it's hard
it sounds fun
you mean easier right
And sometimes that's all you need
i meant sure for masochist it might be fun but jeez
because my reacttion times are that of a god
say "dicks" in 3 seconds
dicks
that wasn't three seconds at all
one
You act as if Calamity players aren't masochists 
you're bad at counting
shut ur fuck
next comes 5, 9, 4, 5, 4, 8, 3, 2
duh
can somebody add stars
agh
for yours?
oh you just
done
not going to suggest a method of crafting or where to craft or anything?
craft it with willpower
@sleek wigeon i dont wanna be in the art server anymore 
so that you have no will to complete the game with it
DoG on Death with lightning soda
maybe
@ashen warren I like the sprite you care up with for that hook! also a fan of the fact that you incorporated my idea, so I guess it must be good
It's a creative reference tbh
true
@ember plinth Aren't post SCal things shadowspec, which is reserved for dev things?
they are
Then that suggestion can't be added.
yeeah but I made it for Post Providence drop
Oh
like Calamitas rematch
sorry then
@gritty crow Thanks :D
@reef moat one grass starter to another love the sugg but maybe less fragments like 15
for real tho i play mage and would love another yhar optian
option
At that point, fragments hardly matter as well
still though makes the weapon feel less mat intense
and fewer luminite and maybe some phantoplasm
idk just makes it fit tier better
we don't have any open normal emoji slots
@quasi walrus You can't just say "buff Vivid Clarity" smh
- Be precise if you want item or enemy stat to be buffed or nerfed. Explain your reason behind the change, and why the stat should be changed to your suggested value.
ugg fine ill do it later though
Why are we posting suggestions if the bot is down?
Yes, that's exactly what I was wondering too
Idk
They dont read pins
People too enthusiastic?
@worthy fiber not worth the trouble smh
just let em post, and if they miss it, it's because they didn't follow the rules, which was read pins
rip
@quasi walrus vivid clarity is fine the way it is because it is situational compared to other weapons, capable of reaching 200k in separate points during SCal with the ideal mage setup. this also means that vivid clarity serves as a side weapon and other mage weapons like voltaic climax and subsuming vortex can be used as "chip" or your main damage source while switching to vivid clarity, as situational as it is. you only came to that conclusion because of vivid clarity's janky mechanics, but it's a fact that it's situational and doesn't deserve a buff. to also when giving buffs/nerfs please elaborate on why it should be buffed/nerfed in that fashion.
(he needs to be more specific anyway)
jeez i get it
gotem
i was told once and thats good enough
@south sentinel a wha
ok, I've got an idea almost finished, but it seems like the bot is still offline, will there be a pinned post telling us when the bot is back online?
likely
`might be a good suggestion if progression wasnt shattered
It still works because while you CAN fight bosses in any order, they are still stronger than each other in the order they were before. This gives new players an idea of where to go for the next tier.
but t1000 and alpha ray exist no more laser machine gun upgrades
That hook suggestion is ungodly amounts of lame
and basically a copy of a previous one
Even worse than previous, there’s no secondary effect like the previous one
Well, hooks just have different stats, and no real secondary effects (usually)
Either that, or its a different kind of hook all-together
Mhm, but the polter hook that Dav posted is quite interesting, with the whole “purely for refreshing flight time” secondary mode
Here's to hoping for a repost
Me too
I posted davs hook in dev server already 
You didn't say that earlier 
Hm
I can't see that RoD accessory being super useful
It takes up an accessory slot that can be used for other stuff, and switching to it in the hotbar isn't so much of a hassle as to warrant the 3 extra seconds of Chaos State
i find it wayyy easier to use a hotkey to RoD
and you won't RoD more than once in 10 seconds (probably)
Meh
Not for me, then
i mean, theres the option of it being useful as just an item in your inventory
but idk
thats how the discordant charm from weaponout works
Discordant Hook is way better
never used it
It is indeed hotkey-to-RoD
but it doesn't take up a whole accessory slot, and it functions the same as RoD as well as a hook (if teleport can't happen)
don't like the idea either
waste of an accessory slot and more chaos state? no thanks
Agreed. The fact that it takes up an accessory slot alone should be considered a big enough hindrance imo
Beat me to it
Longer debuff is one thing, but an accessory slot is way too much of a price to pay
better idea same thing but its in the hook slot
@quasi walrus see above
lol
@ember plinth what about DOG's black background
Monoliths are cool, but one issue
I hate the black backgrounds
They hide everything
well a lot of people dont hate them
you're not the only person allowed to have an opinion 
Yeah
I am the only person allowed to have an opinion
no
I like the color effects, just, I don’t like the all black backdrops to them
well
and my opinion is: ow oof my fps
oh true, forgot that
tbh I only use the monoliths to give new ambience to my house or something
but some have different colour filters
The filters don’t matter if there’s a color background
It only effects non background objects then
@ember plinth would the cosmic monolith alternate colors? or would there be different versions
Stop putting suggestions in here, the bot WONT see them.
Even after the bot is back up, the suggestions are gone, adding stars back will not work. There is no point in putting suggestions in until the bot is back. (confirmed by Trivaxy)
Pin this^
@cyan ibex 
@cyan ibex 
heck
WHY DOES NO ONE READ THE GODDAMN PINS
Here, lmgtfy
dies
I was about to
should i just post it in suggestions?
I'm sorry, I was in the middle of explaining why
keep your suggestion confined to one message
Can someone add READ THE PINS FIRST to the description of the #suggestions-voting channel?
Maybe put the explanation in the same post as the idea, then.
@stoic narwhal fabsol hates vanity/pets unless they're dev items
? yikes
Which is pretty dumb but oh well
Didn't know that.
its fine, i dont think thats in the pins, idk tho
lemme check
uh
yharim will be the final boss
@plucky valley 
Thanks insomnia
@ashen warren nah xeroc and big cosmic dragon
well
That's better, Gerardo.
People are blind 
people c'mon
Keck.
yeah, I'm sorry about that first comment oof
no one ever checks pins
Lol.
stop fuckin posting suggestions reeeeeeeeeeee
I'm just gonna delete the two latest ones so people an see insomnias.
Maybe the channel should be in temporary lockdown until the bot comes back online?
Because the channel is literally just gonna be useless otherwise.
Ouch.
just repost them later
I'm saving both, don't worry
when the bot is back
Kk.
It's funny how people suggest about adding more to the suggestion channel
@cyan ibex im pretty sure nerfing the vampire knives would be a horrible idea
elaborate
what mode are you on gerardo
But still, we need to add a read the pins thing lol.
death
how long do your boss battles usually last
like 15 minutes lmao
@sinful violet @dull kite why do you have the same picture
no need for nerf then
Oh not general talk
because
They are lovers
if the boss battle takes over 5 minutes with a weapon from vanilla
then dont use it

I use them because I am bad at dodging with a 720p monitor
rod of discord
never play without it
I think he saw your post
can i suggest here if the suggestion are bugged
I mean you can, according to the pins, just don't post in the main channel.
ok thanks for letting me know
👍
soul contract sell for:10 gold tool tip: the betrayal you didn't expect you can buy it in the shop of the witch doctor in hard mode what it do: summon the WoF in the underworld and skeletron in the night above ground level 0 in other words surface-space summon without killing the guide or clothier
i know the suggestion channel is buged

i really hope my fried chicken suggestion didnt get fucked...
look a bit up will you
what do you mean
like above my suggestion
you can suggest here, but nothing will happen
its better to just not suggest anything atm
if they said it to me when i asked
35 to get in, right?
atm
that suggestion is gone lol
but dont post anything lol
care to explain
imagine just 34 on one 
Remember that even if it did get 35 stars, it doesn't mean that the item is guaranteed to get in.
^
It's gonna be noticed by the devs.
But it does not mean they're gonna add it kek
^
Holy shit evan is god
how so
Didn't the mods tell you already to not post how many stars your suggestion has
now you know
yes i do
It was someone else then, but I'm pretty sure they said that
hi
'ello
Howdy
i will if you go offtopic
well since the bot is ded id like to discuss a suggestion idea i thought about
would anyone like if the daedalus emblem and up had the sniper scope effect?
most likely with visibility to disable
as someone with a less than 1080p monitor it would have been kinda nice for my ranger run
@carmine sphinx 
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE
PLS DONT POST AT SUGGESTIONS
DONT DEW IT
AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH
can you not do that
@stoic narwhal are you here just to make me leave
No m8, sorry.
calamitas already has a reveangence drop
What item @odd wadi
it got removed nvm
vehemence?
no
it was a gun
left click - high damage slow firerate bullet
right click - shoot in bursts
and it wasnt a legendary
Thats from the brother isnt kt
it was 100% drop chance
well it used to be calamitas :(
also no
the brothers dont drop it
animosity?
yeah that
its still dropped by calamitas
just isnt mentioned in her drops for some reason
on the wiki
Im pretgy sure its one of the Brothers
no
another one of my posts got 35+ stars
i am special 
tbh it makes sense to not add it in the drops section of calamitas, since its in the treasure bag, not a direct drop
like most rev specific items
tfw you repost a suggestion thinking the bot is back up but you see Evan's comment saying it's still down immediately afterwards

gg

Evan you god
also, evan y u so special
mrrp's alt
"catlamity"
it hurts to say that
the pause between cat and -lamity is like crashing into a brick wall

im not special i just know how to read
i mean why cant i add react to your big message xD
reactions are disabled for everyone in that channel
unless you're a big man on the campus
Only Cooldudes+ can, to prevent reaction spam
and wiki editors+
I copied the suggestion I deleted before
wiki > cooldude
Im pretty sure iq said he will log suggestions that got enough stars while the bot was down
the problem is that i lost the stuff i wrote about it
since i overwrote the clipboard

It's not a joke or a meme
I've got suggestions on a Notepad doc that need posting

If he doesn't, I have a doc with all of the ones past 35 stars
go away evan
okay 
Save your suggestions for when the bot is back up
no he has a point
iq--; will put a message in the channel when it is.
Or you could just save it for later
ok

We should have suggestion moderator rather than bot tbh 
Wouldn’t it be a suggestions dev though?
If he just sends favorite ideas to devs? Most likely no
I still think the channel should be temporarily locked whenever the bot goes offline.
@vernal sphinx Probably different versions since you can only turn them on/off. (Sorry for the late response, I went to sleep)
couldn’t a suggestions mod just do that though
a dev would send the ones with 35+ stars 
Btw why 35? not 30 or 40 or whatever


wait a sec, the bot is still ded?
Eeyup
oh, I didn't know it could last that long
Making a bot that won't break/bugged out ain't easy ya know.
ikr
the day that it was up was a test run of the bot
now, the bot shall be fixed and posts will require 70 stars

70 stars is a bit too much
69.420
unfunny
when the suggestion are back i will post 2 suggestion so don't think that i'm just throwing staff in there
honestly
most of these suggestions, now that I'm seeing them more often, seem like people are just throwing stuff in there as an attempt to have an item you thought of in the mod
emphasis on "you" i'm guessing
I have made like
so what you're saying is most people are suggesting stuff because they want to be special and have their own item?
people who suggest new biomes smh
maybe I'm too much of a stickler for "everything should have a purpose" but a lot of these are useless
not gonna single out any because that's a bit rude
@swift wharf don't
nty for suggestion format
I saw you typing and preemptively shamed you
you got got, luc
also no memeing smh
i don't think he was memeing
lol
wait are the suggestion back
nope
ho sad😫
odditer one of my suggestion is a joke about the amount of fire debuffs in the game so i need to know is there any calamity mod fires in the start of hard mode
@ember plinth "Divine Monolith"? There's alot of profaned-flame-related stuff that use Unholy already, the same could not be said for Divine.
that's what they said
i'm garbage at knowing what someone meant 
you just made one mistake, it's fine :)

Profaned is even more overused 

defiled?
Divine fits more a God(dess).
So that's why i suggested.
the thing is, divine suggests benevolent and strongly religious
whereas profaned is kind of the opposite, religious fallen from grace i guess
perhaps
that's why you use profaned, unholy, etc
I mean as far as I know the only "Divine" thing is the material dropped by Providence..
Divine Geodes, yeah
but lore-wise for all we know they could be from when she was a Holy god, not an Unholy being




