Spirit etc is irrelevant go away with that
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
steep island
Brimstone Ele
Left click summons a mini brimstone flower
Right click summons a brimstone volcano sentry, that will spew bri flames everywhere
gentle imp
It's called Death Wind IIRC.
steep island
Spirit doesn't have legendarys, it has artifacts .-.
ashen warren
ooo i like that @bitter topaz
bitter topaz
and the other attack could be a providence sentry
ashen warren
like the optic staff except it summons the three guardians
The problem about a sentry rightclick is that all summoner weapons already have a rightclick.
cyan lagoon
Supreme Calamitas' hit counter should be reduced to taking too many hits in a certain time frame. The wiki claims the hit counter is there to "discourage the use of powerful equipment from other mods to trivialize the fight" but with pure Calamity gear I still die 98% of the time to the hit counter despite it being there to counter-act other mods.
Yeah no, it makes the boss way too easy.
ruby cobalt
NONE of the calamity summoner weapons have a right click
opal barn
I lovethis channel, finally I can discuss thing without flooding suggestions 
ruby cobalt
literally NONE
cyan lagoon
Just dodge for an adrenaline's length, and the cap's done
ashen warren
That is because fabsol forgot to implement that
bold birch
when will calamity add a nohit mode
ashen warren
already did
ruby cobalt
armageddon
ashen warren
steep island
Earth there is one
hearty yew
i'm leaving before the punishments begin
steep island
Armageddon
elder mist
armageddon is said by levi to not be a nohit mode
ashen warren
also
bold birch
cool
hollow shell
Also, "taking too many hits in a certain time frame" is just
normal health
elder mist
but rather a quality of life mode
bold birch
i want a mod that makes green slimes doggo level
ruby cobalt
armageddon is a soft no-hit checker
cyan lagoon
Also most end game weapons heal you
bold birch
prob
elder mist
without the hit counter auric tesla mage cannot die
cyan lagoon
so making her deal more damage is also too trivial and not fun at all
elder mist
the hit counter is 100% a necessity
wanton hemlock
Perhaps lore items should be implemented a bit better and be actually good for something. I remember dedicating a chest for them, but if I accidentally trashed one...
vague olive
Neither can auric tesla thrower with celestus
ashen warren
Maybe give some way to regenerate hits or something? It just feels arbitrary and unfair.
steep island
@bold birch Don't meme in here, warned.
cyan lagoon
On death mode, you used to have five hits
opal barn
I don't want to say that but, you just haveto get good for Scal
wanton hemlock
Well, at least there's not a damage cap
ashen warren
sc hit count gay
cyan lagoon
terry no
ashen warren
Most of my issue with the hit counter would go away if I didn't feel forced to take damage because of my shitty fucking screen
vague olive
Terry stop
muted birch
Scal hit cap is fine imo
Makes it challenging even with unbalanced stuff
Well
Unless its like sotu
ashen warren
for real though sometimes I get hit by the wall of bullets from those big scattershot bombs that detonated just off screen
but the bullets are moving so fast and I had no idea that it detonated because I CANT SEE SHIT
muted birch
You can't really suggest a mod be balanced around a small minority of people who have too small of a screen
bitter topaz
^
wanton hemlock
^^^^
vague olive
^
ashen warren
^
robust patrol
^
wanton hemlock
You're better off either zooming out the screen via some mod or getting a bigger screen
bitter topaz
1080p monitors aren't really that expense anymore
hollow shell
There was talk that SCal's bullet hell would be less intense if you played with a smaller screen resolution
but iirc it was decided to be too hard to program/balance and too easy to abuse
ashen warren
I don't understand why we are so concerned with abuse in bossfights with things like that. It's up to the player. Personally, abusing little things like that takes away the fun. If someone wants to do that, it's not like they are hurting anyone
I think boss fights should be more full of mechanics than anti cheat
bitter topaz
might have to do with dead inside/untouchable
hollow shell
Except when it comes to things like Untouchable and Dead Inside
ashen warren
@ruby cobalt All of the calamity summon weapons have a right click, it's the lock on function (the only exceptions is the sun spirit/sun god staff apparently)
hollow shell
yeah
bitter topaz
people could easily claim they have lower resolution monitors
ruby cobalt
do they?
wanton hemlock
Let's be honest - if there's an exploit or a weakness, it's gonna be used
ruby cobalt
didn't Fab "forget" to implement those?
ashen warren
Literally just tested it in-game.
ruby cobalt
because I never got them to work
opal barn
Nah they are in
bold birch
lmao
ashen warren
"You can't really suggest a mod be balanced around a small minority of people..."
ruby cobalt
I guess it works now then
tired haven
Apparently that function isn't on these staves because they aren't really summons
ashen warren
You can't really tell me to get fucked because I'm poor
tired haven
(crits unlike minions, etc.)
muted birch
I'm not
ashen warren
They also do magic damage for some reason crab
tired haven
Yep le shrug
muted birch
I'm just saying that most people don't have a problem with that and thus it shouldn't be balanced around that
*the fact that you don't have a large enough screen
ashen warren
I'm saying that most people aren't looking for untouchable etc and the mod shouldn't be balanced around that
muted birch
Ikr
sinful violet
Anyway, my point is, plenty of us don't have the money for it
But thing still is, the people who have to deal with are still a minority.
ashen warren
I barely have enough money for a new pair of shoes I need because I can literally fist my current pair and half the lights in my house don't work
sinful violet
I use a tiny 2015 mac laptop for literally anything I have to do online/on a computer
glass heron
the summon targeting mechanism has never worked for me with calamity summons
wanton hemlock
I have the same 1080p screen I had since 2009. Never had a problem with seeing too little in games
tired haven
It works but it is flawed even in vanilla
glass heron
it's flawed in vanilla but it works there. never worked in calamity
or i mean with calamity summons
robust patrol
its a tv also, i got that 30ms delay :-;
ashen warren
I feel like the whole monitor issue can be traced to a lack of true zoom out in terraria though
robust patrol
^
wanton hemlock
It's a bit strange they added zoom in, but not zoom out
robust patrol
im on a 1080p setup and i want to zoom out more
tired haven
True tho, currently it's just zoom in and it is much less useful than zoom out seriously
robust patrol
to lazy to get a mod for it
ancient dragon
Being from a third-world country and having to deal with shit not being optimized for my shitty and already-expensive rig on the daily isn't fun, but I guess I just have to deal with it.
tired haven
Though full hd screens being capped in zoom out is intentional to prevent players seeing enemy spawns
ashen warren
That's even worse
robust patrol
can already see spawns in the ocan tho :3
sinful violet
Oh oops, this went off topic fast. My bad, could you move channels quickly?
robust patrol
i make my mob farms there just to lauch a bit
tired haven
Or we could return to "balance around nohitting" thingo or whatever
ashen warren
Yeah
I dislike the fact that there is a hit counter as well. I enjoyed the addition of the worm with the orbs to the fight, it made it feel less like a straight bullet hell game
I sincerely hope that bosses like Draedon are focused around tons of mechanics instead of raw stats or bullet hell with hit caps
opal barn
Balanced around no hitting shouldn't be a thing. That's <1% of the people playing the mod
ashen warren
^
vague olive
^
wanton hemlock
Draedon : Damage cap 
tired haven
Not gonna lie, I do like hit cap in theory, but ended up hating it on practice
ashen warren
The biggest issue with the hit cap is that it's absurdly low and arbitrary for the hardest boss in the game
ancient dragon
Probably due to all the other mechanics of Terraria itself.
ashen warren
You know, the one you're most likely to take hits on!
opal barn
It used to be lower
ashen warren
my one largest issue with the hitcap is that it's fucking silent until it kills you
ashen warren
I get that it's meant to be hard, but it acts like a handicap. Instead of making the boss harder, it handicaps the player
cyan lagoon
having 15 on rev is a HUGE difference
ashen warren
literally just print a message to chat at three hits saying "you only have three hits left before my curse kills you dead" or some similarly edgy warning
wanton hemlock
Perhaps another item should exist. One for those running no-hit
tired haven
And it still is by far main threat in this bossfight
cyan lagoon
it was originally 10, death's current amount now
ashen warren
I died to HP damage literally once.
I once tried to kill myself to restart the fight AND THE HITCAP KILLED ME FIRST
opal barn
Maybe it should be just a number instead of a whole message so it can be easier to focus on the boss
tired haven
I mean hit counter seems to be anti-tanking thru measure but it ended up killing anyone but complete glass cannons
ashen warren
for every 5 hits the game prints a warning message
wanton hemlock
For every hit, you take a shot. For every five hits, you finish your drink
bitter topaz
what's mostly been suggested is a hit counter next to your health iirc
crude quartz
shame 
ancient dragon
It's honestly useless to even comment on removing the hitcap, no matter your stance on it. Fabsol's sense of difficulty is completely dissonant from most of Terraria's usual playerbase.
teal saddle
lot of work to add an entire UI element for a single boss, though.
tired haven
^
teal saddle
It's also not the hitcap being hard that's the problem, it
crude quartz
@golden shoal can’t send standalone stuff in there anymore pal
wide patrol
@golden shoal discuss suggestions here, not in the suggestions channel
ionic stag
~~ but that just removes the skill element of counting your hits ~~ /s
crude quartz
discussion is for here
wanton hemlock
It could also just work as some sort of debuff. You start with, say, 5 stacks of it and each hit takes away one stack. You lose all stacks and you die
teal saddle
it's the hitcap being unfair that's the problem.
ashen warren
^
opal barn
smh @delicate raft
cyan lagoon
shoo minimods
golden shoal
oh sorry
delicate raft
Q
wide patrol
Oh I forgot mods exist
golden shoal
so wait i have a couple questions bout the new suggestions thing
teal saddle
...and I can't see any feasible way for the hitcap to work differently than it already does, since with regular calamity gear you usually die pretty fast anyways.
delicate raft
Sorry sorry
cyan lagoon
Also if scal actually does get a visible hitcap it's hard to tell which style it'll use
vague olive
I think the hitcap working similarly to tally counter would be good
ashen warren
The biggest way to solve the hitcap issue is to increase it to a more reasonable number
cyan lagoon
Like...?
opal barn
Itwas already increased
vague olive
^
sinful violet
cyan lagoon
also ^^
opal barn
It doesn't need another nerf
teal saddle
that just makes it easier, not less unfair.
wanton hemlock
are you gonna bring up the screen size again 🙄
muted birch
Well the problem with that is the fact that its down to personal preference what's reasonable
ashen warren
Make it optional.
opal barn
What
ashen warren
The problem with the hit counter and the entire boss fight in general is that it doesn't feel like you're actually fighting a boss. It's just a boring and stressful bullet hell.
vague olive
Thats dumb
cyan lagoon
scal IS optional
teal saddle
^
opal barn
^
muted birch
Just play on a lower difficulty
tired haven
Kind of
sinful violet
SCal isn't even an actual boss.
teal saddle
If you're finding Scal too hard, that's kind of the point of the boss 😛
ashen warren
I like everything except the hitcap
sinful violet
Yharon is the final boss.
ashen warren
The entire mod, game of terraria, etc are optional. That has nothing to do with this conversation
opal barn
You beinghere is also optional
ashen warren
That's true
wanton hemlock
For the one time I've geared up for the boss, as a thrower, I didn't die once
ancient dragon
It does though. Calamity has lore and an actual progression based around it.
reef escarp
Scal is a super boss
sinful violet
Lore isn't directly connected to gameplay
wanton hemlock
Lore items drop from bosses .-.
sinful violet
Still your choice to challenge SCal
muted birch
If you want the hit cap to be lower just play on a lower difficulty
ashen warren
The hit counter does not feel like it is part of the boss. That is the problem I have
opal barn
If you've beatenYharon you canproudly say you've beaten the mod
sinful violet
^
wide patrol
Less than an hour and this chat is already chaos
ancient dragon
It's a discussion, not chaos.
teal saddle
Liberty, name a better mechanic that gets past the kind of cheating Fabsol wants to avoid.
ashen warren
I'd rather have the defiled rune negative effects permanently active than put up with an arbitrary counter that says "oh well you must be cheating because you're able to heal with pure calamity gear"
You don't need to worry about that kind of cheating, that's my point. It's just a game and the player harms nobody by "cheating"
reef escarp
Beat Scal to win calamity
ashen warren
Its the player's prerogative to remove part of the challenge
teal saddle
entire point of the boss is that it's supposed to be untrivializable.
cyan lagoon
Also scal wouldn't be considered bullet hell with the hitcap
teal saddle
It's intentionally not an easy boss, and is in no way meant for people who don't want a challenge.
ashen warren
You can still trivialize the boss fight though
cyan lagoon
tanking all hits makes the fight trivial, thus making it more of a facetank-fest
teal saddle
If you can trivialize it, why complain about the hitcap?
sinful violet
No one's gonna judge you for not being able to beat SCal, it's an optional, super hard boss.
ashen warren
The mod already is going in a direction where you can kinda choose what you do with boss progression. That influences boss fights too
muted birch
Not really
wanton hemlock
Debuff that's active when you summon the boss. You get a stack for each hit. Depending on difficulty, after it reaches a certain number of stacks, you die. There's no need for another UI element 😐
ashen warren
I have beaten SCal. It was hard and took a lot of time. I didn't get much fun out of it
tired haven
except everyone is gonna judge for that but k
ashen warren
That's why I want to improve it for everyone by making suggestions
teal saddle
you not getting fun out of a kind of narrow, masochistic side of the mod isn't surprising, though.
muted birch
But that's the thing
tired haven
Yharon is much more fun boss while being nearly same difficulty with fair gear
ashen warren
Because Yharon has a lot of interesting mechanics
@teal saddle the wiki says its to discourage using broken items from other mods but you can still stack Soul of the Universe, 100% crits and Apotheosis EX from Fargo's and Apotheosis and Friends
muted birch
You aren't improving it for everyone, since everyone is different in what they want
cyan lagoon
And?
teal saddle
summers, that doesn't trivialize the fight.
wide patrol
My goodness since when did somebody suggest for SCal to be not a superboss
wanton hemlock
reef escarp
scal is a super boss forever
ashen warren
Nobody did @wide patrol
It damn well does, I can minimal effort the fight with that setup
teal saddle
It's literally what you're asking for, liberty.
muted birch
Scal is meant to be hard
ashen warren
No...?
cyan lagoon
Spirit of Purity/Chaos/Purity Rematch did the same thing and nobody is complaining about that.
ashen warren
I am not asking for it not to be hard lmao. I am asking for it to be hard in a different way
teal saddle
Summers, about half the fight is stuck behind a wall of being unable to hurt the boss.
muted birch
Don't make it easier since you want it to be
reef escarp
I just wish I could of fought The meme the Lorde
muted birch
Its meant for those who want challenge
sinful violet
oh god
cyan lagoon
So why does when SCal have a hitcap it's a complete crapshoot?
opal barn
Wrongchat
wide patrol
Then why did everyone start discussing why she is a superboss, and how superbosses work?
ashen warren
The hit cap is bad because it removes fun. Make the boss harder instead of a random hit cap
tired haven
I kind of hate that if you want to imply that hitcap is unfair and not fun mechanic, it gets correlated with difficult and makes you look like weakling that steamrolls game purely by op gear
ashen warren
because SC doesn't tell you loud and clear how many hits you can take
it's just, you take damage and oh look at that you died instantly. tough shit
teal saddle
The point of the Scal fight is that you're supposed to be hit as little as possible.
ashen warren
lost count of how many hits it was? your fault xd
wanton hemlock
I think the idea was that SCal was like trying to solo a Raid boss (for anyone into MMOs)
teal saddle
In fact, a hitcap of 10 is pretty reasonable for bullet-hell games.
ashen warren
@cyan lagoon I really don't like Bluemagic's mod bosses for many reasons, but that's a discussion for another time.
- I have beat deathmode SCal. 2. I found it unfun. 3. I think more people are in this situation than are not.
teal saddle
Deathmode isn't supposed to be fun for everyone.
reef escarp
I counted out loud when I fought Scal
ashen warren
I am not coming from a position of weakness
wanton hemlock
Touhou allows less hits. And that's a bullet hell game
tired haven
A lot of bullet hell games have more precisive controls to compensate for lower hits amount
ashen warren
^^
teal saddle
there's also a lot of bullet hells that don't
ancient dragon
Citation needed.
teal saddle
especially a lot of older ones, that didn't have analog controls
and had bigger hitboxes
reef escarp
Wait guys let's go to #calamity-mod-talk
crude quartz
whoever’s adding those star reactions is doing absolutely nothing y’know
apart from agreeing
teal saddle
gradius, for instance (though it's SHMUP more than a bullet hell)
sinful violet
Yeah, just agreeing
ashen warren
I think we are fine here in this chat as it is discussing a suggestion about hit counter
sinful violet
For now
crude quartz
when it won’t be agreeing we won’t be able to react in that chat
well, you will mrrp
ashen warren
Even if you don't think SCal's hitcap should be changed or removed then you should be able to at least concede that it should be made optional for people who think it's rarted
crude quartz
us normies can’t tho
tired haven
Everything is optional smh
sinful violet
Alright, SCal is a superboss. It is meant to be a hard battle. A very hard battle. Use what items you please, frameskip, or other things. Thing is, SCal is an optional fight as well. So cease the topic. The hitcap is staying, but the fight may or may not be changed.
tired haven
Return
ashen warren
Stop throwing optional around like it's an argument. Everything we are doing here is optional
wanton hemlock
The entire last tier of items are called developer items for a reason
elder mist
that's like saying yharon's tornadoes is rarted and should be able to be turned off
ancient dragon
Those games were meant to be bullshit difficult because they were arcade-style. They were designed to coax coin out of player. As the formula grew bigger, it got perfected and became the genre it is today. Using primordials as an example for the entire genre is pretty fallacious.
opal barn
I disagree with the fact about Hitcap being changed but agree about the visibility thing
ashen warren
Why make any suggestions, the mod is optional? Don't like it, leave. That is a poor attitude to have
muted birch
Just don't fight it or play on a lower difficulty
teal saddle
having the hitcap optional kind of ruins the point of the boss.
tired haven
Hitcounter being part of "optional" boss doesn't make it less suspectible to discussion on balance
ashen warren
^^
minor marlin
If the hit counter is to be part of the boss fight, better visibility is a must
elder mist
but if it was removed scal on a regular playthrough would be easier than stuff like yharon
ashen warren
Exactly. People keep throwing "optional" as an argument to deter suggestion. The same things applies to the ENTIRE mod.
hybrid cipher
mrrp told you guys to drop the topic
steep island
Guys shut up about this
hybrid cipher
and you haven't
steep island
Please
sinful violet
Please. SCal's hitcap ain't gonna be removed.
teal saddle
^
wanton hemlock
^
hybrid cipher
quit talking about it now
reef escarp
That was a suggestion
hybrid cipher
one more fucking message about it and there will be warns
tired haven
I wonder why cooldown debuff for flesh totem wasn't implemented yet
muted birch
Just continue in another channel
hybrid cipher
don't
cyan lagoon
No.
hybrid cipher
you're also warned, gamer
sinful violet
teal saddle
isn't it a new-ish item, crab?
hybrid cipher
now quit it, all of you
wanton hemlock
whoa, you guys are really good mods 😐
tired haven
It's old as balls, but cooldown was 1.3 thing or so, yeah
hybrid cipher
@wanton hemlock #general-talk
teal saddle
hunh, I guess I didn't see it before.
tired haven
Weird, core of the blood god is meta item and it has flesh totem in it
teal saddle
I don't usually go for it most of the time.
ashen warren
Well, there's no real point in being here any longer since the topic is changed. I'll wait and see if there's another that interests me
teal saddle
point of the channel's that topic changes. You don't need to announce your arrival or departure.
Though I get what youre saying, crab.
Kind of a complaint of mine that there are too many must-have accessories lategame.
cyan lagoon
Uh yea
tired haven
Yes
minor marlin
It's not a bad mechanic to have desirable accessories in the late game
cyan lagoon
@reef escarp Enough. Warned for continuing bringing up the topic.
tired haven
Well, that's what low variety does to game. Amalgam could've been an alternative to core but it's weak af so it's 6 instapicks and class accessory now
minor marlin
it's just balancing them that should be key, such as the core having a limiter
otherwise it literally is bis
reef escarp
OMG I wasn't
teal saddle
I don't even mean like that
wide patrol
Rip Shimmerspark
teal saddle
I mean, you've got like 5 accessory slots that are more or less required to be filled by very specific items
ashen warren
Maybe accessories could just be more combinable?
teal saddle
elysian aegis, tracers, absorber, etc.
tired haven
Less*
Currently they are so combinable that half of post-ml is one accessory set for any class really
Apart from 1/2 class picks
ashen warren
rip flamebeak hampick smh
teal saddle
basically I'm saying that having several equally powerful but different accessories with similar effects (e.g. multiple dash effects that are all the same power level and progression level) but slightly different uses, stat bonuses, and interactions would make the lategame content a lot more customizable.
sinful violet
I saw the flamebeak hampick thing and I'll let devs know
ashen warren
yay
teal saddle
any other picks that don't do that?
teal saddle
shoulda sold it 😛
teal saddle
Yeah. I guess I'm coddled with magic storage.
Don't need it right now? Throw it on the pile.
sinful violet
@placid bison Please no meme suggestions
placid bison
bro who implied it was a meme
ashen warren
you
crude quartz
you existing
sinful violet
turning the ice pyramid into ice cream
tired haven
You, me, 75% of people there
ornate blade
hmmm
sinful violet
That could be argued except for the fact that ice cream is an awful building material.
crude quartz
plus I have a much better Ice Pyramid rework in mind smhsmh123
teal saddle
to be fair, it'd make more sense as a temple of sorts rather than a tomb.
wide patrol
Did somebody mention ice cream?
vague olive
Surface igloo is too easy to find
teal saddle
^
tired haven
I mean the whole point to change it from pyramid ripoff isn't bad but icecream? Meme material < ripoff tbh
opal barn
Couldbe an underground igloo
teal saddle
that's more or less a hole in a wall, teragat
"building made of snow... in the snow"
like, underneath
opal barn
They could've been made from snow bricks/ice bricks though
tired haven
granite cabins exist
vague olive
Snow brick
teal saddle
...does that make the snow biome one big igloo?
yeah, I realised that after I sent it though.
I'm trying to think of famous structures in cold regions of the world
wonder-of-the-world style structures.
...svalbard seed bank?
sinful violet
opal barn
@tight chasm I think they tried lighting it up but it barely made a difference when they did that so they choose to darken her, according to levi at least
vague olive
Make particles appear around her then
ancient dragon
If she's gonna go dark, why not just change the background color?
Or better yet, just give her a colored tint when readying a charge.
tight chasm
another option then would to be make her dark by default, then turn normal right before a charge
teal saddle
most of the phases are where she's dark, kind of a problem there.
cyan lagoon
Dark scal for the rest of the fight may be troublesome, sygil
opal barn
Yeah dark scal would suck
cyan lagoon
especially since you can't see her
tight chasm
eh just trying to think of something
teal saddle
lens flares Kappa
the best thing would be to telegraph the attacks with animation.
thing is... that's a lot of spritework
opal barn
how about you're warned for memeing here 
teal saddle
Otherwise, the boss could telegraph by some movement? Shaking a bit before a charge or something like that.
teal saddle
kinda feels odd and game-y at that point.
you know, "I'm ready to charge"
and then they start dripping fire, despite the charge having no actual fire.
Though to be fair, the idea of a bullet-hell boss is kind of game-y, so my point is moot.
tired haven
Fishron's 3rd phase and glowing eyes are definitely an example how such dashes could be done
Though it's harder to pull off on scal
teal saddle
yeah, darken a specific part of the sprite, have another bright. Good idea!
Harder to pull off, but it's essentially 2 sprites, and we have 1 and the other's pretty simple.
@placid bison toggleable recipes doesn't really do anything.
You can just, y'know, not craft it.
Though maybe adding a tooltip that identifies it as a non-vanilla recipe would be good.
placid bison
it would be easier codewise to make it toggleable
teal saddle
depends.
You know how there's different colors of gel and everything? Could just have a sprite swap.
placid bison
vague olive
Thats kinda dumb
teal saddle
though I'm not sure if that's possible to do on anything other than an entity
placid bison
completely different context dude
and greyscale is possible on anything in the game
probably harder to do from a modding perspective though
teal saddle
Though honestly, the best answer is to just not craft the recipes. You don't want to craft it, you don't have to.
placid bison
no i want them gone lol
teal saddle
why do you want them gone.
Not crafting the item in general has the same effect.
(through the normal recipe, if there are several)
placid bison
opal barn
Why do you want something that helps so much gone
placid bison
asking for it to be toggleable is different
teal saddle
not really?
you can choose to not craft it is the same as you can choose for it to not be in the mod...
placid bison
sinful violet
It's not a forced mechanic that requires a toggle in order to be not used.
tired haven
It isn't even real cheese apparently since most crafting recipes come in same or later time than respective item's tier is and calamity is overall harder to compensate for rarer equip
neat salmon
i want to touch how much this"suggestion" hurts but i can't
tight chasm
^ this
teal saddle
yeah, or the crafting recipe requires you to get items that you would find while farming/looking for the wanted ones.
muted birch
I mean #464867307080908810 is temporary
sinful violet
Doesn't need explaining
muted birch
Never fast enough
wicked swift
I thought that the fixes were temporary, not the channel, failure
tight chasm
would the bugs come back or smth?
teal saddle
Though a couple of the recipes feel a bit too cheap.
wicked swift
idk gtg now so whatever
tight chasm
bye
placid bison
i dont see why im being attacked for asking for something to be toggleable, it would take a minute to be implemented and it doesnt harm the people who enjoy the recipes
teal saddle
it would not take a minute.
muted birch
Attacked?
placid bison
it would take a minute
neat salmon
somebody underestimates how coding works
teal saddle
Do you know the mod's structure?
Do you even know what language terraria's base code was written in?
vague olive
It would be pretty pointless
placid bison
dude
teal saddle
Do you even know how much content there is to fix and wrap under that bubble?
tired haven
Just referencing all recipes would take around half an hour lol
placid bison
are you all really this is ignorant
teal saddle
there's like 25 ish items.
placid bison
theyre all done through the same file
sinful violet
Do also realize how your argument goes both ways, and if you just ignored the fact that you can craft it, and it was left as is, it'd take even less than a minute to not code it
teal saddle
Honestly, it's not too much of an issue to assign each of them a variable, but setting up a UI element to do a more-or-less useless feature is kind of stupid.
vague olive
It would just make the mod more complicated for no reason
sinful violet
There's absolutely no point.
placid bison
multiplayer
teal saddle
^
sinful violet
It's not like it'll disrupt your gameplay.
They're all accessible at the point in the game you can craft em
Some are even later.
neat salmon
the recipes are more necessary for multiplayer, especially ones such as enchanted sword recipe since you would find one if you're lucky
teal saddle
It's pretty hard to have that kind of symmetrical config anyways, where both sides are synced to the same settings. afaik Tmodloader doesn't support anything like that.
tired haven
I actually wonder what happens in multiplayer specifically to disable these recipes (and as stated above, they are more vital than hurtful)
teal saddle
It definitely wouldn't take less than a minute to do something like that if you're trying to use such a config in multiplayer.
Once again, the best answer is to just not craft it.
placid bison
you dont code do you
teal saddle
do you?
tired haven
And yeah, it's not us being ignorant asses, it's us rejecting change without obvious reason aka change for change
muted birch
Just don't craft it
sinful violet
Either way, the point is made.The vanilla recipes will not be toggleable. Drop this topic too please.
teal saddle
You're severely underestimating how much of a challenge the kind of thing you're asking for is, and severely overestimating its use.
sinful violet
oi... 
royal scaffold
Removing craftable vanilla recipies from the game would be pretty bad IMO. Some servers don't spawn with more than a small handful of things like Carpets. (sometimes only one) "Oh sorry, you can't have auric armor because I got the carpet on this server"
tired haven
apparently if we gonna pin every topic we need to drop this channel will have around 20 pins in a day lul
vague olive
Stop now
royal scaffold
Sorry, didn't see the call to stop. My bad.
teal saddle
spong, I was like in the middle of typing it when you said that 😛
I'll shuddup though.
sinful violet
Ya didn't have to finish and send it smh
teal saddle
I was busy typing it, wasn't really paying attention to chat.
sinful violet
@ashen warren Keep standalone messages out of the suggestions channel please
ashen warren
ah sorry didnt know this channel was a thing
ashen warren
sinful violet
It was already explained why it wasn't needed and wasn't going to happen.
This is to avoid the channel becoming too full.
placid bison
it was explained by you? or someone else?
placid bison
teal saddle
Maybe pin something that refers to #suggestions-discussion ?
to avoid future confusion, that is.
and ffs, five, stop pissing off the mods.
sinful violet
@cloud quiver
opal barn
@cloud quiver Why should they stop improving it?
ashen warren
kek
steep island
@ashen warren better idea for that
FIreballs get added and once hitcap is reached they close in and instakill player
ashen warren
i was thinking the fireballs represented the player's soul or something
past cape
Or a skull over your character, which has a jaw that closes the more you get hit, when you reach cap you get nommed
sinful violet
Yeah, I always saw the possible visible hit-counter as a "life span" for the player
austere orchid
An eye in a dark field that slowly consumes your character as you go along.
sinful violet
could literally call it "life span"
teal saddle
nah, hit counter shouldn't be edgy like that
white laurel
I think a hitcap counter would just clog the screen and make it harder to see anything, maybe something simple like your character turning a darker shade of red on every hit would be less distracting
teal saddle
and whenever you get it you get hurt and have to eat a cupcake
who wants to get nommed by a skull when you can nom cupcakes.
and then be crushed by the horrifying reality that there are no more.
austere orchid
cmon edgy damnit
dull kite
ashen warren
a hitcap counter like a flame ring would be a solid, unambiguous way of keeping track of how many hits the player has left, i.e. literally a hit counter
white laurel
The only problem I can see with that is how distracting it could be
Its hard to strike a balance between not distracting and discernable
austere orchid
have like a miniature health bar above SCal’s one (or just where it is if YABHB isn’t enabled/installed) where it slowly depletes a portion with each hit.
vague olive
What about something like the tally counter
austere orchid
if only
vague olive
Visible but discreet and toggleable
austere orchid
actually make that a thing for the cell phone
white laurel
Oo yeah I like that
devout seal
The counter itself would need an extensive sheet, though.
tired haven
Cell phone string is too small tbh
devout seal
because 30 - 0.
tired haven
To be read midfight
teal saddle
so far, we've got these:
-Debuff
-Tally-counter UI element
-Separate UI element
-Alongside boss healthbar (needs the mod?)
-Fight elements e.g. fireballs/cupcakes
austere orchid
It’d take place of SCal’s health bar if the mod is not enabled
austere orchid
otherwise it could be atop the screen below the rage and adrenaline or just above the HP bar of scal’s
no for me idea
teal saddle
no Ion, I mean have it alongside the healthbar. not sure how hard that would be, depends on how yet another boss healthbar has been done.
austere orchid
ion?
honestly might as well get the yet another boss health bar creator to make a miniature one for scal hit counter
tired haven
I mean there could be that kind of bar above player (like air level/lava immunity) btw
Though on easier difficulties counter is a bit too much to not clutter screen
neat salmon
it could just be a straight up number, ugly and boring but effective
tired haven
@inner rover tbh 2.5 hours repost was pretty fast
teal saddle
^
inner rover
really?
inner rover
alrighty then. Just did not ant my suggestion to be forgotten about. Thats all
tired haven
Should you wat
sinful violet
oh nothing
tired haven
inner rover
It would be really cool to see a baby cloud elemental pet in the mod
sinful violet
inner rover
Well I thought it would fit in with the other two
inner rover
make that both of the different sandy elementals as there was a resprite on one of the two
small geode
It makes them objectively better than any vanilla counterpart.
inner rover
@small geode yeah. That would make the mod more of a challenge! I agree.
small geode
also makes actual repeaters incredibly useless
inner rover
that is true
small geode
The seabow is better than the corruption/crimson bows because of it’s use time.
dull kite
I mean I’d doubt that it’ll happen but ig I can see where you are coming from
steep island
@inner rover Don't repost such a recent suggestion
sinful violet
yay
bitter topaz
the bot's finally here
once the bot's testing is done i'll repost my draedon's heart balance suggestion i guess
muted birch
Inb4 it breaks on first real suggestion
reef carbon
nice new channel
it seems in the few hours of this channel some other sutff has happened
stoic narwhal
Noice on
reef carbon
like, bots
there should be a thing where you have to say what youre discussing at the start of the discussion
muted birch
You can ping a person that suggested something
dull kite
I mean you can just tag them
reef carbon
yeah, spose
dull kite
I’m sorry 
sinful violet
all good
sinful violet
But yeah, theoretically, if it reaches a certain amount of stars reactions, it gets sent to a channel where some people can see it.
Probably devs and such, I dunno
hardy hazel
ahhh nice
stoic narwhal
Quick question
ruby cobalt
theoretically
stoic narwhal
How lon can you repost suggestions?
ruby cobalt
is there something in discord api that would allow checking for how many certain reactions post got?
sinful violet
Ion?
dull kite
uhh
sinful violet
oh long?
stoic narwhal
long, rather
dull kite
do you mean “how long do you have to wait”
stoic narwhal
yea
reef carbon
bots can do it
ruby cobalt
at least 2 weeks
sinful violet
Try not to repost too much
ruby cobalt
or if the channel was flooded hard enough
reef carbon
meh, if no one notices, about a good few days
ruby cobalt
it would have to be a good suggestion tbh
hardy hazel
hey, colors is serious business
reef carbon
like my quad reposted one that no one really noticed
sinful violet
Shortswords are hardly underrated
muted birch
Duckles ffs
sinful violet
terra shiv and nights edge smh
reef carbon
i know i know
opal barn
Ele shiv is good too
sinful violet
But we can see about an exo one
stoic narwhal
Ok
reef carbon
@stoic narwhal if it can poke at 360 degrees, its arkhalis, if it has about 1400 dmg, its even more op
opal barn
Yeah melee has only 1 exo weapon
muted birch
Could you imagine vs scal
grizzled echo
Exo flail?
muted birch
With only exo shortsword
reef carbon
although it doesnt have all the massive shitons of stuff in the effects of the exoblade
opal barn
It summons a projectile tho
neat salmon
more accurate
muted birch
I guess
reef carbon
yeah, but not healing and explosions
neat salmon
"if it can poke a 360 degrees" its a spear
muted birch
But it prob wont do very much damage
dull kite
the bot isn’t ready yet though mr. bidoof
inner rover
@steep island ok (replying to "don't repost such a recent suggestion")
sinful violet
@odd terrace Keep standalone text out of there now
odd terrace
mmk
sinful violet
This channel is the new one for suggestion talk
sinful violet
Ping him here then
odd terrace
Idea:
What about using reaction emojis to denote that there's follow-up by the reactor in #suggestions-discussion
odd terrace
For example, I'll use bidoof's post
@bitter topaz Draedon's Heart also drops the flat stats given by Laudanum and Stress Pills
Also, did you mean to have the Rage buildup scale with Adrenaline upgrades, or with the Rage damage upgrades?
bitter topaz
rage scaling with adrenaline upgrades is what i meant
odd terrace
I also agree with Rage not disappearing upon being hit
dull kite
Like less hits in order to fill up rage?
odd terrace
@dull kite I like that more actually
Instead of Rage over time
Because, as it currently is, it promotes waiting with HoD/DH equipped just to let it build up
Or doing that while doing something else
Maybe Rage buildup during boss fights?
bitter topaz
rage buff dissapears if you get hit while it's active for some reason iirc
bitter topaz
adrenaline won't dissapear while in use
odd terrace
Really?
bitter topaz
that got changed a long-ass while ago
odd terrace
"When the Adrenaline Mode buff is activated, the player receives a damage boost of 250% (1000% in Death Mode). If the player is hit while the buff is active, the damage boost disappears."
from the wiki
opal barn
@unique owl You can also add something about the katana in there tbh
unique owl
it's not a big thing tho
opal barn
Isn't it used in some other recipes?
muted latch
Omniblade.
sinful violet
wait it's used in omniblade?
bitter topaz
nope
opal barn
Wait what
unique owl
nope
bitter topaz
adrenaline is still ther eupon getting hit
opal barn
I was sure katana is used for something
bitter topaz
gonna fix that real quick
sinful violet
Someone said katana was used in omniblade smh
opal barn
Well it's still a good early game weapon
neat salmon
i remember katana being added to the recipe when all the non-linearity update happened
opal barn
What do you want to put in
unique owl
unique owl
wiki is wrong
muted latch
When isn't a wiki outdated.
opal barn
Don't put that in bugs though
unique owl
where would i put it
odd terrace
ur but
bitter topaz
i'll update the wiki
unique owl
ok
bitter topaz
katana doesn't have a redirect to the vanilla page
opal barn
Just put tgc:Katana|Katana
plucky valley
the wiki has updated textures for bosses befor there announced at least
unique owl
wait
plucky valley
i knew about the new hive mind texture a week befor it was announced
unique owl
@sinful violet is it intended that the katana is used?
opal barn
Yeah itis
opal barn
Direct confirmation from someone who isn't working on the mod 
neat salmon
it's a recipe it's pretty hard to f that up unintentionally
odd terrace
why is cool waifu the normal Waifu in a Bottle and regular waifu is Rare Waifu in a Bottle
bitter topaz
thanks for appreciating my edits
neat salmon
because fab made mistakes, also wr.... mrrp said it
odd terrace
I didn't know it was a bug D:
sinful violet
bitter topaz
most of the effort that went into that edit was actually making the katana redirect 
opal barn
I thought it was going to be the picture
fervent zealot
so people don't think the effect is universal
odd terrace
But it is
fervent zealot
green only gives dangersense
reef moat
ENEMY LOCATION
fervent zealot
l u l
odd terrace
Green gives Hunter
reef moat
ENEMY
DANGER
btw im not triggered
worthy raptor
Why is this being talked about in here?
odd terrace
And I thought it was saying that only that color of Siren Heart gave that ability
fervent zealot
it is
fervent zealot
👏
worthy raptor
I still don't get why this is in here and not #calamity-mod-talk
fervent zealot
i assume he planned to suggest it to be changed
restive coral
Then he should've said it in #suggestions-voting
odd terrace
live and learn
crude quartz
yeah
sinful violet
devs have a lot of stuff rn, so only things that people really agree with will be seen/considered
dull kite
but will 35 people even see one suggestion
dull kite
I think 10 is fine, personally
cyan lagoon
Nah
dull kite
maybe I should suggest it
lucid marsh
I think it should be something like 25
cyan lagoon
20
worthy raptor
I would say 15-25 would be best tbh
dull kite
20 sounds good
the big problem is how many suggestions are out there, it’ll bury stuffs
sinful violet
I was thinking that we have some sort of rule, where it's discussed here first but obviously that ain't gonna go down well with some people.
Or we do what Paleo does in art server, and begin clearing out suggestions that are decided to not be accepted.
Personally, I'd rather have my suggestion flat-out rejected, rather than waiting.
dull kite
deleting old posts?
sinful violet
Yeah, if they've been decided by devs and such to not be added in?
dull kite
I guess that sounds like it’d work maybe
“skully bois” nice lompl
I love this spiky ball suggestion
besides the fact that there are like 70 different ones
sinful violet
Because yeah, if it's been said "no" to there's no need for it to hang around.
dull kite
that’s a lot
worthy raptor
I fuckin LOVE skully bois
worthy raptor
also party bomb makes me happy
dull kite
now we just need a way to get everyone to actually fucking 
worthy raptor
physically impossible
sinful violet
this is why we need to have people post their ideas in here first, before posting to suggestions
zealous umbra
muted latch
Better get on setting those pins here before the dumb joke suggestions roll in, then.
dull kite
restive coral
should work now though
neat salmon
for a moment i thought mrrp got demoted randomly then realized it was somebody else with the same pfp
sinful violet
worthy raptor
are you allowed to star your own suggestions btw, that would feel kinda like cheating but it also makes sense since it is your suggestion and of course you want it to be added
sinful violet
It can't hurt I guess
dull kite
might as well be able to
sinful violet
Just make the stars needed for the suggestion 21
dull kite
neat salmon
i mean the requirement could be bumped up by 1.... damn it
sinful violet
dull kite
cobalions been typing for like an hour 
dull kite
send 2 messages 
heady comet
dull kite
cyan lagoon
Hope it aint a wall
dull kite
ye pretty hot organisation
dull kite
i don’t like the name “cursed flamer” though
cyan lagoon
@worthy raptor
dull kite
I guess so
past cape
Cursed Incinerator
worthy raptor
uhh yeah shore, not certain but it wouldn't hurt
dull kite
you need 72 starry bois
sleek wigeon
Dear divines, whatever happened to text documents?
cyan lagoon
I hate google docs
sleek wigeon
Not even google docs just like a word document or a pastebin
Just so its not a hecking massive wall of text burying other suggestions
dull kite
now he’ll only need 36 starry bois
cyan lagoon
There
ornate blade
I posted a enemy thingo like right before the bot became like active
so i need to repost for the bot to see from what I understood from the pin, so should I just delet and repost then?
dull kite
I guess you can
worthy raptor
ye sure
dull kite
now I can repost my one suggestion that I’ve made 
ornate blade
okey
dull kite
it wasn’t very good
ornate blade
ornate blade
starry boi
remote nexus
I remember a mod asking if they want a item that teleports to your last death, i'm not fully sure on that.
As while I like it, it kinda ruins the point of some things, but at the same time makes refighting bosses way easier.
dull kite
is this meant for suggestions
remote nexus
Yah, suggestion discussions, what he talked about but ok.
rotund iris
the alchemist mod has that
elder sparrow
SINGULARITY SPHERE should be the exo spiky ball
limber oxide
im certain at least half of them are inactive though
neon panther
btw uh just ping me if you have something to add to celestial scope
limber oxide
also lompl leaving out my contribution to spiky ball meta at 2 am when he thought i was zach smh smh
worthy raptor
smh tbh i'll credit u bb
dull kite
credit me for giving you a starry boi tbh smh
worthy raptor
tru
neon panther
credit me for existing
worthy raptor
mmk I put credits at the bottom of the doc
neon panther
Thanks friendo
dull kite
I’m there
worthy raptor
👌
dull kite
neon panther
I want to attempt a sprite for celestial scope, regardless of if it even gets accepted
tight chasm
smh @fervent zealot dont post non-suggestions in there, not too terrible rn as long as you delete it, but for the future its kinda a bad idea
white laurel
fervent zealot
i posted a suggestion with it you d o r f
steep island
Only talk about suggestions in here
fervent zealot
like literally i taped on a suggestion to my post to make it fit the rules
quiet abyss
@odd terrace -> Infinite ammo for coin gun
->Infinite plat coin ammo
Uhhhh...
neon panther
i mean you kinda need 3996 platinum
tight chasm
but it was a discussion of my suggestion in a sense
neon panther
seems fair to me
tight chasm
that much plat isn't too hard to get anymore
fervent zealot
it was an improvement to your suggestion
fervent zealot
but yeah really iou should be moved to phm exclusive tbh
tight chasm
honestly it really doesn't tho, that boss is really hard w/ phm gear, if you can somehow manage to kill both of them phm you probably deserve the loot
fervent zealot
someone suggested getting rid of it earlier alltogether
white laurel
The reason that its locked is to keep balance.
The linearity changes were to make the game less strict, not destroy balance
Making the IOU disappear in HM could work though
tight chasm
..yeah i suppose you're right
fervent zealot
yeah not complete removal, even as hard as that boss is someone will cheese it
quiet abyss
Well, when you put it like that...yeah I can see people farming Levi and using Levi weapons on Plantera to utterly destroy it
fervent zealot
you can farm rava and make ataxia and melt plant already
quiet abyss
Yeah true
tight chasm
i mean though, if you're good enough, you can kill yharon p1 before any other major post ml boss, get his bag, and completely curbstomp the other ones
same w/ slime god and the rest of the phm bosses
but yeah, you're probably right to some degree, so hardmode exclusive would most likely be best option
quiet abyss
Agreed
fervent zealot
haha slime good requiring good enough
if i can kill slime god on rev pre skele 140 health then he's not hard
tight chasm
no i mean slime god as the second boss or smth
fervent zealot
my boss progression that run was king slime > perfs > sg
tight chasm
currently, you can kill him right from the start if you choose, but usually the worst people do is post eoc
fervent zealot
supposedly he can fall through platforms now so that would make him harder
quiet abyss
I've fought the new slime god...and hooo boy.
I've read that once one of the slime gods is killed the rest will become enraged, so I try killing the core first.
...And oh man, the remaining purple and red slime gods suddenly are on steriods.
muted latch
The real question is what the point is in being so concerned about someone going out of their way to do a cheese strategy to break the balance of their largely single-player game?
odd terrace
Oh it’s not over if you kill the core first?
quiet abyss
Nah. The new slime god will only be defeated once you kill all of them...but this is getting offtopic now. -> #calamity-mod-talk shall we?
tight chasm
but why have more arrow types when all you need is HOLY ARROW CHEESE
teal saddle
lots of cool high damage arrow types around mech bosses too 😛
quiet abyss
Plus there's Ichor and Napalm arrows already
teal saddle
I think it might be equal types of bullets and arrows, maybe 1 or 2 more bullet types.
cursed/ichor
hellfire (technically prehardmode, but not renewable then)
holy
chlorophyte
more, too.
quiet abyss
What would astral arrows do for effect though? Raining astral stars wouldn't really be good cause holy arrow already does that.
ashen warren
Arrows are already good enough as is I think
quiet abyss
Mhm yeah, agreed
tight chasm
maybe like a low chance to spawn one of those astrum deus mine thingos
sinful violet
just download zach's legendary mod smh
quiet abyss
So...mine field arrows?
teal saddle
that would just make it occasionally do extra damage, though.
seriously, we don't need more projectile types
tight chasm
idk honestly
teal saddle
more gel
sinful violet
Zach's mod has a legendary astral arrow.
tight chasm
what does it do
sinful violet
uhhh
steep island
Hey that's a cool name
sinful violet
zach give me permission to post your server link here