suggestions-discussion

[calm knot]

except plague id imagine

[half imp]

yeah

[calm knot]

im so smart

[half imp]

It's going to be like

Brimstone Flames
Frostbite
Plague
Electrified
Crush Depths

I think

[calm knot]

okay that seems fair

if there were an inbetween from frost to night wither

yeah i think that should be a thing too

cold debuffs jump from 25dps to 100

definitely needs an inbetween

[half imp]

eh

I don't think we should add debuffs just to add debuffs

There's a large jump because there's just not any cold content there

[calm knot]

okay thats true

but there is the cryonic set

[half imp]

which is where frostbite is used

[calm knot]

yeaahhhh

alright

i am beaten

[tepid crown]

had an awesome terrible idea

[calm knot]

,?

[tepid crown]

debuffs with multiple types

[calm knot]

Typeless:

[tepid crown]

no thats typeless

[calm knot]

i know what you mean but unfortunately if a debuff has multiple types it just gets typeless

elemental mix

its in the name

[gaunt crystal]

been wondering actually

what stage would a water flask even be in?

[tepid crown]

all types

[kind laurel]

Is removing/moving some DoG melee weapons a good idea

[gaunt crystal]

only place I can really think of is post anihita

[half imp]

what would be the reasoning to support it

[kind laurel]

There's six pure Cosmilite/DoG drops, that's bloat

[gaunt crystal]

it's worth mentioning

[half imp]

bloat is just a buzzword tbh

[gaunt crystal]

Progression around DoG is going to change a lot eventually

[half imp]

how does having 6 cosmilite/dog drops actually negatively impact players

[gaunt crystal]

FINALLY someone gets it

[half imp]

if it doesn't then there's no reason to remove or retier them

[kind laurel]

I suppose not but I've heard a lot of others complaining about excessive post-DoG stuff

[gaunt crystal]

a big one is DoG won't drop cosmilite eventually

[half imp]

(also worth noting: at least a third of those weapons are donor)

[kind laurel]

No they're not

[half imp]

wait a second scourge of the cosmos isn't donor I keep forgetting

it feels donor core

[kind laurel]

Yeah

But it isn't

[half imp]

okay then it's just cosmic shiv

[kind laurel]

which would make it seven

(I didn't count it)

[half imp]

Ah

[kind laurel]

D Devastation + Prismatic Breaker + Phaseslayer make it 9.5

[gaunt crystal]

so removing or retiering weapons around DoG tier probably ain't wise for now until we see what happens to everything once the distortion is added

[kind laurel]

It is still worthwhile to make the game better now rather than wait five years to do anything but I see your point

[half imp]

• Maw of Infinity
• Obliterator
• Stream Gouge
• Stellar Contempt

what two I forgetting from those pure cosmilite

Oh

Cosmic Discharge

[kind laurel]

Galaxy Smasher

[half imp]

Meant that instead of contempt

Close enough

[dense locust]

stream gouge is in the soul piercer catagory

[kind laurel]

Essence Flayer

[half imp]

Ahh

[dense locust]

of "oh right thats a weapon thgat exists"

[half imp]

Essence flayer

Stream Gouge or obliterator have good arguments for removal being they compete for the same niche

but ultimately I think that removal of whatever does get removed will be handled when we handle cosmilite as a whole

Removing it without actually changing the surrounding content is a little silly imo

[gaunt crystal]

Also it's unknown when the distortion will be added

[half imp]

yeah I do agree with this though

[gaunt crystal]

It could be the next update since SSO is on the back burner for now

[lavish yoke]

maw of infinity was such a glow up

[half imp]

Especially if something is causing an actual problem

[gaunt crystal]

Personally my money is on the Brimstone Crags or Astral Infection update next

But who knows outside of the devs

[half imp]

MGR reference projectile spam to "I have become death, devourer of gods"

[kind laurel]

Mine's on sky but I digress

[half imp]

My bet is on [REDACTED]

[gaunt crystal]

I do get the feeling that-

Hmmm

[lavish yoke]

my bet is on storm weaver

[gaunt crystal]

Is there an update we don't know about in the works?

I digress

[lavish yoke]

we know about it but we don't know what it'll be

[tame vigil]

no doze you can't talk about [REDACTED]

talk about [REDACTED] instead that's much better

[gaunt crystal]

Basically the whole distortion thing could be months away or years away

[half imp]

Cue the music

we don't talk about [REDACTED-TED-TED-TED]

[lavish yoke]

distortion tomorrow

[kind laurel]

Considering SSO is several months I doubt we're getting two more 2.X's this year

[gaunt crystal]

And personally I feel like part of the reason why there are so many post-dog weapons is because it's the only post-ml tier with on tier events

[gaunt crystal]

SSO isn't the next update anymore

[kind laurel]

Oh

[indigo yacht]

I'm surprised there isn't already a cold flask

like frostbite or something

[kind laurel]

okie

[indigo yacht]

that'd probably be redundant for cursed flames of course but

[lavish yoke]

Next update will be 3.0 in 3 years from now

[gaunt crystal]

Either way I hope the next update adds in the arsenal and/or exo armor

[kind laurel]

All six of the ones I'm pointing out are purely Cosmilite or directly from DoG (not donor)

[half imp]

Considering 2.0 was 1.4 port

3.0 is probably 1.4.5 port

but idk

[lavish yoke]

Polterghast

[gaunt crystal]

I really want an armor that I can just make all movement speed for the funny

[gaunt crystal]

Crap forgot about the acid rain

[kind laurel]

How could you forget about Old Duke's epic biome event he's like Calamity's mascot

[lavish yoke]

How could you forget about nuclear terror

[gaunt crystal]

I remember Old Duke just not the acid rain t3

[lavish yoke]

eta 10 years for that

by the time we get the 1.4.5 port we'll be on 1.5

[gaunt crystal]

Mainly because the classes that I've played don't really have anything they want from it

[half imp]

how could you forget about... wait what was I talking about

[gaunt crystal]

Kek

[kind laurel]

That would probably be 2.2 or 2.3 to 3.0 which is a large jump imo

[half imp]

okay but the numbers aren't about what feels good

[kind laurel]

fair

[lavish yoke]

the numbers are just there to look nice

[gaunt crystal]

Unless something happens that should change soon though

[lavish yoke]

they dont mean anything

[gaunt crystal]

Can't wait to get the funny uranium fists

[half imp]

The signify what the update actually was, the first digit is for very major changes

especially changes that dramatically change how addons interact with the mod

[kind laurel]

I know

[lavish yoke]

is the jump from 1.4.4 to 1.4.5 enough for 3.0

[kind laurel]

^

Basically just UI

for what's practical to Cal at least

unless they add a bunch of seed nonsense

[lavish yoke]

cant wait to see the devs suffer over seed hell

[half imp]

This is definitely not true at all

1.4.5 has a LOT of internal code changes

And will have a lot more when it's done for tmod

[kind laurel]

oh

Yeah that would be a lot of work

[tepid crown]

all depends on how much calamity itself will need to do

[kind laurel]

I'm just worried player perspective's gonna be "this changes nothing" even if it's a lot internally

[half imp]

maybe, but the numbers aren't about player perspective either

[kind laurel]

I agree, just thinking about little Timmy who checks "additions" and nothing else complaining

Shouldn't really be your problem that people will complain though

[vocal wedge]

Calamity 3.0 will feature Foveanator.

[half imp]

banned

[vocal wedge]

;(

[drowsy plank]

im necroing this but since no one countered it; imo the downside is that because so many of a single class's weapons are cluttered into one spot (post-DoG tier in general is very guilty of this though the blame can definitely be put in part on the removal of Yharon 2's content getting shoved into there) that a lot of them don't actually end up getting used at all meanwhile there are tiers that are severely lacking content in contrast. spreading weapons out more or just removing redundant options is almost always a positive change

lmao did that not send as a reply or is my mobile client just that broken

[tepid crown]

it did not reply

[half imp]

discord moment

[drowsy plank]

SO COOL

[half imp]

i do agree that spreading them out to tiers or places lacking content is definitely good

[fossil finch]

five billion guns

[half imp]

ultimately I have no real overall opinion on the suggestion but mostly wanted to point out "reduce bloat" on its own isn't really a good reason

because bloat isn't actually the problem as it isn't even really a defined thing

Some decent reasons to suggest removal is like:

• Content is inherently problematic to the game design in some way
• Content has little to no value and takes effort to maintain

Removing content because that content is not used much is also not a good reason imo, there's no actual benefit to the removal being portrayed there and it harms the users that actively like the items

Such as Acidic Rain Barrel

I don't think removing Acidic Rain Barrel, at least when we did, had almost any benefit to almost anyone, and had notable downsides to many who liked it

[craggy girder]

what was its downside ?

its a weapon that did damage i dont really see a negative to it

outside "no one fucking uses this"

[half imp]

no, removing the item had a downside

because players who liked it no longer can use it

[craggy girder]

ohh.

[half imp]

like sure, maybe most players didn't use it, but those who did liked it

[golden sonnet]

Ok but everyone likes something, it existing is maintenance

Boring weapons take players away from other options and reduce the quality of the mod

[indigo yacht]

rework acidic rain barrel into a preboss summoner weapon

[kind laurel]

Posted, are the points good?

[half imp]

hence why we should have just removed it when it actually came time to maintain it due to working on related content

It's not like rogue has many other good weapons there anyway lol

[half imp]

(rogue rebalance or acid rain content)

Removals are fine, they just need to be done at the right time and with the right reasons

Acidic Rain Barrel did not feel like it checked either of those to me

[novel belfry]

WAIT

WHY

i just realized that this removal makes no sense

its replacement, skyfin bombers, were perfectly fine being drops from skyfins

[frail fox]

Wait why was it even replaced 😭

Corroded Fossils didn’t need a rogue craft

[lucid marsh]

Corroded fossils don't need to exist period

They do like 3 things

[keen zodiac]

[lucid marsh]

Explain to me why this exists again

[limber drift]

Make corroded fossils into a block problem solved

[lucid marsh]

But see, if I try to make a suggestion to remove it, it will get barely any votes and then the devs will never see it or care

[keen zodiac]

i deadass forgot bonebreaker existed

[limber drift]

The thing is how would the items crafted from it now be obtained (skyfin is obvious but like the others need a source figured out)

[keen zodiac]

who has ever used it

genuinely

[lucid marsh]

Side note, aquamarine staff is garbage. Thunder zapper (a pre boss weapon) is just as good

[limber drift]

The fact bonebreaker is melee hurts my very soul

[keen zodiac]

i don't think anybody would be sad to see the other 3 die

[lucid marsh]

Drop them from the other tier 2 acid rain enemies

[limber drift]

I don’t see why we need to remove so many remotely niche materials in calamity

[lucid marsh]

If they must exist at all

Because they fill up my storage chests and clog my inventory

Think about it this way: if the material never existed, how would you justify adding it?

[limber drift]

But like it being crafted can make it so you aren’t at risk of being unlucky when farming so it feels less annoying to play

[lucid marsh]

Have you ever had that issue in calamity

looks at inventory full of 20 plasma rods after a goblin invasion

[limber drift]

Yes when trying to get starbuster core It took really long

[lucid marsh]

Then up the drop rate for it

Or use a material that already exists to craft it if needed

[limber drift]

Then it would actually cloh up your inventory

[lucid marsh]

I don't think so

Acid rain is particularly susceptible to inventory clogging because all the lower tier drops still exist

[limber drift]

I just feel like trying to remove any material with a kind of small group of crafts that fills a somewhat special niche for crafting isn’t really good

[frail fox]

I will campaign for Corroded Fossils to die when we get around to acid rain

[lucid marsh]

I feel the opposite, and the devs feel the same way (look at beetle juice)

[limber drift]

But like corroded fossils aren’t the issue then its the dropped weapons and accessories

[lucid marsh]

Ok so in 3 years for it

I haven't had that issue with weapons and accessories either

[limber drift]

Beetle juice wasn’t actually filling a unique role though, it was just random early hardmode crafting material no3 or something

[lucid marsh]

Yeah. Corroded fossil is too

Just a little more specific

[limber drift]

I definitely have had that with sulphourus grabber

[limber drift]

Its niche is that its a material for post tier 2 acid rain items

Nothing else currently in game could fit that role so it does have a use case

[plush flame]

it was pretty good for a masodeath twins demo i did

[keen zodiac]

you could do sulphuric scales at a hardmode anvil

[limber drift]

That randomly locks it to post mech1

[keen zodiac]

but some people might fight aqua scourge pre mechs yeah

[limber drift]

Vanilla even has a ton of niche crafting materials as well

[keen zodiac]

though there's still aqua scourge drops and the t2 acid rain drops

[keen zodiac]

those are also bad most of the time

[limber drift]

Pixie dust, unicorn horns and the like 10 wings-only materials

[keen zodiac]

i wouldn't say pixie dust is niche

[limber drift]

It is only dropped by one enemy and only used in 7 crafts (also is how you get rubblemaker fallen logs)

[keen zodiac]

7 crafts is reasonable i think

and it has even more in calamity

[limber drift]

But like in vanilla there are items that could 100% replace pixie dust in like all its recipes, so it is kind of redundant

[lucid marsh]

But does anything need to fill that role?

[limber drift]

There doesn’t have to be but it is something that can exist without being an issue

[lucid marsh]

Unicorn horns are pushing it on the niche materials thing, but they're vanilla so we can't change them

[limber drift]

Oh also ancient cloth and leather also are such niche materials too

[indigo yacht]

what does this even mean

[limber drift]

I feel like removing stuff just because it isn’t used much or “bloats” the mod without having further reasons or actually redundant is bad to the game content

[limber drift]

I guess that like nothing it makes is at all profitable

[lucid marsh]

I suspect it means crafting them into other items decreases their sell value

The wiki really focuses on that sometimes for some reason

There's a whole thing about how crystal shard farms are good for money

[glass arch]

thats because in vanilla money is an actual issue

[indigo yacht]

yes; however all the items you give as counterexamples are all rare or uncommon drops.

that said i would prefer corroded fossil just get more crafts than remove it

[glass arch]

so maximizing sell value is a relevant skill

[lucid marsh]

If it had more uses, it would be fine

The current crafts are lame as hell

[indigo yacht]

the wording is bad

[limber drift]

Like it could be used to make like idk a flask for like Irradiated or something

[indigo yacht]

but i suspect that's probably because it was written by a nonnative english speaker

[indigo yacht]

cooking...

@doze hop on this

[glass arch]

considering vanilla has a lot more limited event summons and spawnrate boosters and boss summons and tinkerer is a consistent (see: bad) money sink that lasts throughout the entire game (rather than tinkerer not being INSANELY relevant in cal)

[limber drift]

Maybe could be made to make the decorative sulfur spike things at the sulphuric sea with the rubble maker or something

[indigo yacht]

bonebreaker is cool iirc. and miasma is an atrocious weapon but it's good on destroyer

idk what caustibow or bombers do

[limber drift]

Maube like idk actually making it craft into (proper) upgrades to the desert fossil items

[indigo yacht]

consider it's ranger and rogue probably the same thing and probably nothing interesting

[lucid marsh]

That would be actually moderately cool

[indigo yacht]

i think this suggestion would be better if it was "make corroded fossil more useful" and a note about removal was a last resort at the end

[hybrid lichen]

Agreed

[limber drift]

Also I’d probably say if it were to stay they could make sulphurous grabber crafted cos it doesn’t really make complete sense as a sulphurous skater drop and if the fossils would stay it would make more sense

[indigo yacht]

i think we should REMOVE acid rain from the game

[limber drift]

Also if that was the corroded fossil melee craft bonebreaker could be made into either like ranged or rogue since it is literally a javelin which are rogue in cal, but also could be ranged to be a proper upgrade to the bone javelin

[glass arch]

i think we should REMOVE real calamity developer no click from the game

[limber drift]

Skyfin bomber should be dropped though and not crafted cos it being dropped by skyfins makes complete sense

[glass arch]

it used to be a skyfin drop i dont know why that changed

[hybrid lichen]

speaking of which, why did calamity not make vanilla javelins and throwing knives (and other rogue-type weapons that are classed as ranger) rogue?

[indigo yacht]

ikr hate that person

[limber drift]

Its probably because of acid rain barrel removal so they wanted a crafted rogue corroded fossil item

[keen zodiac]

they did
but then they reverted it

[hybrid lichen]

odd

[glass arch]

not odd

[lucid marsh]

Thrower class died for a reason and cal devs should have taken the hint

[glass arch]

not really something that needed to happen

[limber drift]

Also random related thought would it be fine to suggest reverting the caustic tear recipe change because its current recipe feels so dumb that like its literally just one sulfuric scale

[hybrid lichen]

It'd fix an inconsistency if it did, but thats a different topic

[glass arch]

what inconsistency

[limber drift]

Mainly because like i get its because event summons were made consumable but like its not like it was at all expensive and no other crafts for event summons were cheapened and being 1 scale genuinely just feels like they don’t want to have calamity’s unique event actually be made any more expensive while letting the other events become expensive in comparison

[hybrid lichen]

the inconsistency of having weapons that are thrown be classed as rogue (which is an interpretation of the deprecated thrower) and then having this small bunch of them that are classed as ranged

nothing sets, say, throwing knives, apart from other rogue weapons

[glass arch]

they dont have a stealth strike

[keen zodiac]

and most of them are consumable

[limber drift]

The issue with that is were would they stop with that because then since rogue has boomerangs all boomerangs should be rogue, and since theres also thrown knives they should also be rogue, but then like do you change shadowflame knife and espsecially magic dagger

[keen zodiac]

there's now only 1 consumable rogue weapon

[limber drift]

It does feel weird that theres still one though like why does bricks need to be consumable

[keen zodiac]

bc it's the first one ig

[hybrid lichen]

the logic seems a bit circular here. They arent rogue because they dont have a stealth strike, and they dont have a stealth strike because they arent rogue.

[hybrid lichen]

good point

[keen zodiac]

they didn't have stealth strikes back when they were rogue either

[glass arch]

idk its a starter bag weapon ig

[limber drift]

Also there would be complications with like snowballs which are thrown, thus would logically become rogue, but since its also ranger ammo how would that be handled

[craggy girder]

you can also magnet the dropped ones back

or

[limber drift]

So is squirrel squire staff but that isn’t consumabl

[craggy girder]

no you mean bricks

[hybrid lichen]

was there a reason they didnt?

[craggy girder]

i thought wulfrums were consumable

[glass arch]

they used to be

[keen zodiac]

it was a lot of work

[hybrid lichen]

fair enough

[glass arch]

every consumable rogue weapon except for throwing bricks were either removed or made nonconsumable in brainstorm

[craggy girder]

yea i rember that

anyways yeah uuh

skyfin bombers should be from skyfin

idk why they arent

[limber drift]

Its because acid rain barrel got removed

[craggy girder]

the other 3 could drop realistically from uuhm. cragmaw mire.

[keen zodiac]

please don't give it more drops

[craggy girder]

since it only drops accessories last i checked and doing that as a miniboss is #lame

[keen zodiac]

sulphurous grabber

[glass arch]

make cragmaw mire stay outside of the bottom of the abyss and sure

[craggy girder]

that still exists?

[keen zodiac]

unfortunately

[craggy girder]

make that drop from trees

[glass arch]

dropped from skaters

not mire

[craggy girder]

why were items made into craftables

like yeah i get it but why

[glass arch]

anyways it drops spent fuel container so its not only accessories

[limber drift]

I will say that like corroded fossils existing makes sense, and removing them doesn’t fix any issues

[craggy girder]

oh right

[limber drift]

Like they could remove items like solar veil, as an example, and make its crafts either not use it or be dropped, but why would we need to do that

[keen zodiac]

that's completely different

[limber drift]

Is it really? Its a niche-ish material dropped by in an event after it gets buffed

[deft yew]

Which is Not A Reason, by the way!

[limber drift]

Its only used in fantasy talisman (which could just be ectoplasm + silk), totality breaker (which like i’ve never seen anyone use), vampire talisman (which could just not use it or even replaced it with like ashes of calamity if it needs to be post cal clone), eclipse’s fall which has no reason to use it, and umbraphile armour

The only thing keeping it from being basically useless is umbraphile but that could be crafted from solar tablet fragments and silk

But removing it isn’t really needed since like it existing adds more item source variety

[half imp]

I don't think this suggestion like actually addresses why corroded fossil should be removed

it just says the items could be dropped by enemies or removed but like

so could like 90% of the mod?

[glass arch]

just because it could doesnt mean it should

[half imp]

scoria gear could just drop from chaos fish that doesn't mean it should

this is proposing a solution without identifying there actually being a problem

[glass arch]

i think the issue with corroded fossil is that its arbitrarily adding another major crafting material to an event that already had a major crafting material but i can see why it exists

[half imp]

I definitely don't think it's something that really has much staying power yeah

But this suggestion simply doesn't actually have reasoning beyond "it could"

I'll exclaim for now as it is lacking reasoning

I actually don't even know if my exclaim reacts do anything

[glass arch]

it would be incredibly difficult to tierlock a craft (such as bonebreaker) behind specifically acid rain t2 if it didnt have a unique material attached to it and i think that was the main logic behind it being added initially

they do

[grave zinc]

@kind laurel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Sentry-Related Gear or Rework Existing Summoner Gear to be Sentry-Related]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[glass arch]

exclams and compressions block suggestions in posting from being pushed to voting

[half imp]

yeah, I just was unsure if it checked for specific roles or not

[glass arch]

nope

[lucid marsh]

For the same reason that beetle juice was removed. It doesn't add anything by being there

[drowsy plank]

if we keep saying this calamity isn't going to have any crafting materials to make things from

[lucid marsh]

It will

Metal bars mostly make sense

[drowsy plank]

this is how we get moon stone in the sun staff line

[half imp]

true

[keen zodiac]

i don't think removing corroded fossils is a slippery slope

[lucid marsh]

We have dozens of crafting materials. Some of them don't do anything interesting.

[half imp]

I am not opposed to removing fossils, but the suggestion itself needs more reason than "it could"; suggestions need a reason for it to happen, not just a lack of a reason not to do it

[drowsy plank]

okay but people say this about like. every crafting material that isn't used for an entire tier's worth of items

[lucid marsh]

Look, if you want an actually hot take, I have plenty

[drowsy plank]

i feel like you should just

[keen zodiac]

yeah this also

[drowsy plank]

add more uses for them

[keen zodiac]

the problem is also that it's early hardmode

[half imp]

like realistically I bet fossils die when we rework acid rain anyhow

[drowsy plank]

i do also agree corroded fossils are one of the less important ones

yeah

[keen zodiac]

the worst tier for material bloat

[lucid marsh]

My actually hot take is that we should nuke perennial and merge the good parts of it into chlorophyte and living shards

[glass arch]

congrats that is an ice cold take

[half imp]

you'll never believe what's been in the plans for ages

[limber drift]

Thats not a hot take that a very common opinion

[half imp]

not specifically with chlorophyte

[frail fox]

The take: 🧊

[keen zodiac]

i think perennial should be removed and chlorophyte should be retiered to post plant

but that's not happening

[lucid marsh]

It's a hot take with the calamity devs who say that "no we can't do that because we're going to add a Silva biome in 5 years"

[glass arch]

that biome has been dead for a long time

[lucid marsh]

"so naturally this steaming pile of garbage has to stay the way it is until then"

[keen zodiac]

yeah i don't think it's even in the future doc anymore

[lucid marsh]

Oh so it's even less of a good reason

[limber drift]

My take is that perrenial should be redesigned to be a “flower” ore so that it has more differentiation compared to chlorophyte, since then it isn’t basically the same thing again

[half imp]

perennial isn't really actively making things worse by existing though, it's really just a minor annoyance at worst

[keen zodiac]

chlorophyte should be flower instead of just

green

[half imp]

There's no reason to do the work to execute it until we're changing the set as a whole in general

[keen zodiac]

like holy shit it's so boring

[limber drift]

Chlorphyll’s whole thing is being green though thats like how plants work

[lucid marsh]

Anything that does not serve a purpose doing something good for the game is actively making the game worse by being bloat. That's the way I see it

[frail fox]

Chloro post-plant is ech cause idk about when you have to mine out an area for plant, even if pass exists

[glass arch]

it isnt, it was actively killed from the github at some point

[craggy girder]

i think perrenial should drop after calclone

[keen zodiac]

it could be green and have another color

like flower

[craggy girder]

im like 60% legit about this btw

[limber drift]

I feel like thats a very odd choice for it

[lucid marsh]

See. We can merge chlorophyte and perennial and give chloro some pretty sprites. And then the problem is solved

[frail fox]

Why would she do that

[glass arch]

which was before heart left the team so it wasnt just something being scrapped because the one person that wanted to make it left

[limber drift]

Its plant related so it should be tied to plant boss

[craggy girder]

i dunno

[keen zodiac]

speaking of things being post calclone
deep wounder
i think the devs literally just forgot to move it post leviana

[craggy girder]

just feels like it should

[keen zodiac]

anyway if perennial was pre plant i would boar myself

[limber drift]

I’d get like making solar eclipse post-plant stuff now post-calclone since it is kind of more fitting but like perennial becoming post-cal wouldn’t make sense

[half imp]

"something good" is very nebulous and I could very well make arguments that fossil and perennial ore do provide something good

and bloat is really just a buzzword and not an inherent problem in and of itself. What problem is the "bloat" causing?

[craggy girder]

cant really give a good reason i just like the idea of perrenial post calclone

[keen zodiac]

there's already chlorophyte though 😭

[frail fox]

Considering it’s still there I’m gonna say it wasn’t forgotten (and was intentionally left there)

[craggy girder]

yea im aware

[lucid marsh]

The most literal and obvious problem is that my storage chests are full of junk I'll need for like 2 items

[keen zodiac]

we don't need 2 plant ores that are both post-mech

[limber drift]

Honestly the idea that calamity needs to remove like every slightly niche item because “bloat” is in my opinion unhealthy for themod

[craggy girder]

i mean it could be post calclone and spawn under the flowers in crags

but uhm

[keen zodiac]

there's niche and then there's beetle juice

[lucid marsh]

I couldn't disagree more

[half imp]

The thing is, the benefits of executing perennial have nothing to do with removing the perennial bar item and everything to do with making more gear have a more unique and engaging obtainment

[glass arch]

even vanilla has materials used for like 3 things

[craggy girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1456553796594569227/spriter_hell.gif

my beloved

[limber drift]

I agree, beetle juice is redundant, I mean the stuff that isn’t actively pointless

[half imp]

Chlorophyte and Living Shard recipe does not make it any more engaging and in fact may make it less interesting to obtain because you will likely instantly have both of those immediately post plant

[glass arch]

namely ancient cloth which. my fucking beloathed

[lucid marsh]

It does. It shouldn't

[half imp]

ancient cloth was almost used for moonshine recipe fun fact

[keen zodiac]

i would have killed you

[limber drift]

I do kinda feel like perrenial should try to actually not be jungle themed despite spawning not even generating iirc

[glass arch]

if ancient cloth wasnt so miserable to get i would have liked that

[lucid marsh]

Well I didn't say you had to do it that way, but if something has to be plane themed and gated to the same tier, it could be done that way

[glass arch]

unfortunately ancient cloth sucks ass to get

[craggy girder]

i think the sunken sea should be placed over the desert

because the underground desert is, cold take, hot ass

[drowsy plank]

i missed this earlier, but i do think perennial is taking away from the game because it's forcing you to go mining when there's nothing new to find in the caverns just for the new content, and furthermore, it's not even in the jungle where you kill plantera and where plant themed things should be. furthermoer, you just went mining for a plant ore

[drowsy plank]

ancient cloth should be made more obtainable because it was used in GSS crafts regardless

[half imp]

Anyway this is all kinds of tangents and not really related to the actual suggestion anymore

[keen zodiac]

true

[drowsy plank]

so if ancient cloth is going to be a real material it should be made actually reasonable to get

[keen zodiac]

please up the droprate

[lucid marsh]

Anyways to put it simply, I think there should only be one plant themed mid plant themed metal and equipment set around plantera tier

[drowsy plank]

no one voted for my suggestion when i made it so i just kinda have to

hope it happens

[keen zodiac]

i voted :(

[limber drift]

Making ancient cloth into like a kind of uncommon drop from like ghouls, lamias, basilisks (maybe) and desert spirits could work to make it less annoying

[craggy girder]

make ancient cloth drop from eidolists

bc theyre old and they have clothes and they were probably yellow at one point

[drowsy plank]

just make it more common and have more things in the desert drop it like quinn said lmao

[limber drift]

But like it dropping exclusively from ghouls is weird cos like they don’t have any clothed parts so like why them and not even something like mummies which have some cloth-like material and also are egypt themed like it’s only vanilla use the ancient vsnity

Like make it a somewhat rare drop from mummies, and maybe also a commonish drop from like ghouls, lamias, desert spirits and maybe even basilisks and dune splicers

[craggy girder]

why is it a rare drop from mummies

[keen zodiac]

surface

[craggy girder]

they're covered in teh stuff

[half imp]

@limber drift This class swap doesn't really have much clear reasoning included in the suggestion, and melee also has a precedent of similar weapons from vanilla (daybreak) so it also is a logical contender.

(I do support the idea, though)

[drowsy plank]

are there any weapons that upgrade into a different class in vanilla?

[limber drift]

I do kind of feel like an upgrade changing class outside of ex-throwing items into rogue items does kind of justify it

[glass arch]

i dont think so

vanilla doesnt do a whole lot of weapon upgrades in the first place

[drowsy plank]

that could be used as grounds for the suggestion

[half imp]

Vanilla barely has upgrades to begin with, definitely not

[keen zodiac]

technically kelvin catalyst and apotheosis also do this but they don't count

[glass arch]

both of those are calamity and also dedicated content

[drowsy plank]

and also they're like

8 different weapons

[half imp]

Rogue still makes sense because rogue is added by calamity and many ranged weapons would be rogue if rogue was vanilla

[keen zodiac]

yeah that's why i said they don't count

[limber drift]

There are several in calamity that do change their class in cal but most of the time its when its donor or it does have at least one of its materials being the class the items become

[drowsy plank]

anything to actaully give rogue more of a pool

[half imp]

Another good argument is just that melee has a lot of weapon choices and rogue has very few

[limber drift]

Bonebreaker doesn’t have any reason though other than so theres a corroded fossil craft for each class except summoner because

[frail fox]

I think 3 post-AS rogue weapons is enough already

[half imp]

ok true

This is post AS specifically

[keen zodiac]

yeah, calamity adds literally 30 more melee weapons than rogue weapons
and melee is also the vanilla favorite child

[half imp]

which also already has 3 ranged weapons

So that's kinda a point for staying melee

[glass arch]

must. fulfill. the quota. must. add. a weapon. for. every. class. for. every. material.

[keen zodiac]

bonebreaker could easily also be an earth elemental drop or something

[half imp]

rogue gets Skyfin, Fuel Canister, Scourge of the Seas (which is a javelin!!)

already

[limber drift]

But like if its melee it should have something to really justify it, like if it had like idk a trident or something it could be justified

[keen zodiac]

why did yall retier skyfin again

[half imp]

Ranger gets the AS bow, the AR2 bow, and seas searing

[frail fox]

Not to mention the like 5 other mech tier rogue javelin

[half imp]

It is justified by being a Daybreak clone

It's literally a copy of one of the two penultimate melee weapons

[frail fox]

That’s not a retier it’s still post-AS just not a drop (which it should be again imo)

[keen zodiac]

ain't skyfins prehardmode

[limber drift]

The weapon is post scourge

[glass arch]

they are but skyfin bombers only dropped post scoog

[keen zodiac]

awesome

[limber drift]

(Technically thus prehardmode but yeah)

[keen zodiac]

thank you calamity

[limber drift]

But like the idea that its melee because melee has less post-scourge items is like strange

Like can’t it just… have less items and rogue get more

[glass arch]

i mean sure but again rogue already has three

[limber drift]

It doesn’t have to be that every boss/event has an almost equivalent amount of items in each tier

[keen zodiac]

i'm also in favor of killing wave skipper for the record

basically scourge of the seas but worse

[half imp]

wait wave skipper

I didn't even count that

is that post rain 2

[keen zodiac]

post wof

[half imp]

oh ok

[keen zodiac]

requires mollusk husks

[glass arch]

like this amount alone is already kinda pushing it in number of specific class weapons that should be unlocked by one boss

[half imp]

yeah

both rogue and ranger really already get a lot from AS

[keen zodiac]

the egotistical devourer of gods:

[limber drift]

But like bosses can be more important for some classes than others

[half imp]

dog is also a major progression boss

[glass arch]

i also dont like dog unlocking That Many Weapons but its more excusable because of it being a major progression boss

[half imp]

Yes, that's not the issue here

[glass arch]

scoog is not that

[keen zodiac]

true but it's still funny

[half imp]

The specific issue is just that rogue and ranger do not need more acid rain items

[frail fox]

Wave Skipper stopped being a RIV/malice drop and lost all relevancy it's sad

[glass arch]

the issue is that as is ALREADY more important for rogue and ranged than most other classes

[limber drift]

I’d argue that its the most important for summoners cos nuclear fuel rod is very good

[half imp]

Fuel rod isn't that notably better than other options summoner has

shadowflame is basically just as good

[limber drift]

Yeah but like it is a major thing since summon slots are always great

Also shadowflame and fuel rod do stack so like its not like one is “better” than the other

[half imp]

either way what summoner gets from AR2 is irrelevant

[half imp]

They compete for the same slots though

so yes, one is better

Jelly Charged beats both out

[limber drift]

You have like 6 slots both can be used

[half imp]

yeah they can

[keen zodiac]

also having a dps build as a summoner is kinda dumb

[limber drift]

So saying one is better doesn’t mean one isn’t good it just means one on its own is better

[keen zodiac]

you're a summoner

you automatically win

[half imp]

yeah ofc

Anyway

Summoner reward for AS and AR2 is irrelevant

bonebreaker is NOT becoming summoner sorry

[keen zodiac]

😔

[limber drift]

Isn’t orthocera shell pretty good for a sentry option

[half imp]

Each impaled javelin +10% minion crit duh

[frail fox]

New active summon

[half imp]

Shellfish 2

Each javelin costs a minion slot

Wait actually

[limber drift]

Hold on your cooking

[half imp]

active weapon that consumes minion slotd

hmm

[glass arch]

you get two from sulphur armor

the rogue set

[half imp]

specifically the yeah

omega blue gives you 6 but with short range and lifesteal

[plush flame]

sorry souls has already done this

[half imp]

ok and

[glass arch]

souls has done a lot of things

[plush flame]

kamikaze squirrel staff <3

[half imp]

what does that do

[plush flame]

summons squirrels that are completely harmless but using the summon weapon with m2 makes them explode and despawn

each squirrel takes 1/3 of a minion slot

[half imp]

ok so basically old Igneous Exaltation

[limber drift]

I will say in calamity though having a minion that despawns after attacking doesn’t sound that good since old caustic croaker did something similar and absolutely sucked

[plush flame]

this is because it stood still and dealt 2 damage

and was a sentry

[half imp]

That's not true actually it was quite strong before

[keen zodiac]

do they know

[half imp]

if you had 2 sentry slots

Caustic Croaker was fine enough

but it not dying makes it more appealing for sure

but the optimal way to use it is still the same, spam it and make it explode once before it gets resummoned

[limber drift]

It makes it less gimmicky making it more easy to use

[half imp]

I'm not even sure if the problem was ease of use or that people just didn't realize you wanted two sentry slots for it to work

[indigo yacht]

i wont stop until this list is empty 👀
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Crafting_materials

[plush flame]

clearly what we need to do is remove crafting, you just throw items on the ground and the new crafting station is a hammer

[indigo yacht]

add botw crafting

[half imp]

you sent the wrong link, i got you the right one

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Special:AllPages

[indigo yacht]

my bad

[limber drift]

I do kind of feel like removing most of the niche usage materials is just giving up making the game diverse in MOST cases, cos like they could also instead expand them, or even leave them (Beetle juice and maneater bulb removals were completely valid though)

[half imp]

instructions unclear, you now craft a hammer by throwing items on the ground

-# evil smasher my beloved

[keen zodiac]

[indigo yacht]

CALAMITY DEVS READD MURKY PASTE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[half imp]

I almost did for alcohol crafting

Same with trapper bulb

[indigo yacht]

but make it a weapon now

[keen zodiac]

sludge splotch upgrade

[plush flame]

#suggestions-posting message no joke suggs

[glass arch]

also what do you mean again he never died in the first place

[frail fox]

Remember when we killed Yharim the first time

[fossil finch]

I don't know when the first time was but i agree

[frail swan]

Kill Yharim.

I don't like him.

also kill woke lesbian jesus but thats a side thing

[ripe owl]

now that was unnecessary

[frail swan]

it lowk was

who can say anything bad about someone named woke lesbian jesus

[sleek turret]

good sugg

[lavish yoke]

@frail swan your suggestion has a problem

you forgot to capitalize his name

Please fix

[frail swan]

oh mb

done

[glass arch]

we do not respect yharim in this household he does not get his name capitalized

[kind laurel]

This is just because of ESA right

[half imp]

Yes

[lucid marsh]

Hey did you know that a bat bottle pet being on your screen breaks all trail effects until you restart the game

I tried reporting this bug months ago but no one looked at it

[mossy pelican]

How does this contribute to suggestions in any way?

[obsidian nova]

Of what?

[obsidian nova]

#1052323733961977947

[kind laurel]

Eldrith Soul Artifiact

(I only knew the acronym because the wiki redirects ESA to the page, it's very forgettable)

[obsidian nova]

I see
(Probably because almost no one is actually using it )

[spare bison]

yeah]

[vocal wedge]

Kill Yharim?
Uh, yeah, that's the objective.

[frail swan]

i dont nlike him

[half imp]

ESA (Eldritch Soul Artifact) is trading the +1 minion it gives rn for +2 sentry in 2.2

[novel belfry]

yknow what

ESA should have its class-specific bonuses encourage different playstyles for the classes in question

[obsidian nova]

Oh okay
That's cool

[obsidian nova]

Like what?

[novel belfry]

probably like what its upcoming summoner change is gonna be

focusing on sentries is an alternative playstyle to minions

[half imp]

You'll never guess what's happening

[limber drift]

I can’t wait for esa to provide like +30% dart damage

[indigo yacht]

i mean

it kinda does do that

[limber drift]

Not really it currently provides only +25% ranged velocity for ranged weapons

[half imp]

Good news

1.15x specialist

[limber drift]

Do you mean like multiplicative with the way you said 1.15x or is it just +15% additive damage

[indigo yacht]

multiplicative

[limber drift]

Wait isn’t shroomite helmet also multiplicative so you could stack them

[keen zodiac]

ok but that would require using shroomite helmet post moonlord

[limber drift]

Thats not too insane since armour mixing is kinda decent for ranger

Especially if they stack multiplicatively onto eachother so you get ~1/3 extra damage or something

[indigo yacht]

I'd be surprised if it was any more effective than just using like recon/sniper scope and a full set

[lucid marsh]

Fun fact: did you know that cursed flames are both fire and defense reducing?

[limber drift]

Yeah but in vanilla cursed flames deals damage and increased knockback iirc

[craggy girder]

ichor should be defense and dr reducing

and then we just fucking kill crumbling

[limber drift]

Just have their flasks combine into a flask that inflicts both lategame

[craggy girder]

see thats how we get cadence potions and those are kinda Evil

ah the . my mistake

[limber drift]

We should just kill all flasks other than ichor and party

[north oracle]

just only party flasks

every flask is purely cosmetic

[craggy girder]

actually just make party flask always applied

all attacks have confefe

[limber drift]

True debuff flasks give melee, rogue and summoner way too easy of a way to inflict debuffs

Now only cosmetic

[drowsy plank]

cursed inferno hasn't reduced defense since 2022

[drowsy plank]

why do we even need enemy damage reduction

[golden sonnet]

(it is planned to be removed outside of a very few exceptions)

[drowsy plank]

yeah i thought so

[indigo yacht]

add dr to devourers

its important

[limber drift]

stuff like providence need it to have a more consistent damage reducing phase that doesn’t unfairly like hurt low damage weapons more

[drowsy plank]

revert the ichor nerf and make crumbling flask a late game upgrade that inflicts broken armor instead

[limber drift]

They nerfed ichor ???

[drowsy plank]

yeah from -15 defense to -10

[limber drift]

Oh so only like a 2.5 damage nerf per hit because of how defence works

[golden sonnet]

can you stop leaking dev plans

[drowsy plank]

lmao???

[gilded citrus]

Thought ichor was -20

[drowsy plank]

no??

not even in vanilla

[gilded citrus]

Oh

[craggy girder]

hang on are there only 4 dart weapons and 5 darts

[golden sonnet]

(well, we didn't talk about unnerfing ichor, but we discussed making crumbling inflict broken armor with it's ability to be on enemies in 1.4.5)

[craggy girder]

am i reading this right. does calamity add no dart weaponry nor darts

specialists in shambles what

[gilded citrus]

Oh huh

[limber drift]

They should also add a betsy’s curse flask

But like calamity should totally add some dart weapons, even like just one post-moon lord one

[craggy girder]

Flask of the Defenseless acc that applies every armor destroying debuff but halves your defense

[drowsy plank]

yall really should considering how much of a nothing change it is anyway

[craggy girder]

(not by broken armor)

[drowsy plank]

+5 AP is not going to break the game

[gilded citrus]

I was on outdated info

[drowsy plank]

oh that's funny

[limber drift]

No hitters would love this

[craggy girder]

actually they might not

the killtime would probably be too fast

like yeah if the goal is to beat the boss without getting hit then Yes that is good

[limber drift]

The killtime rule is weird to me cos like doesn’t shorter kill time mean you were doing better

[craggy girder]

but if the goal is to submit it to the boards

[craggy girder]

its there to prevent shredding

[drowsy plank]

the goal is to nohit

[craggy girder]

in theory you could kill the boss in three seconds and not get hit

[drowsy plank]

if you kill the boss on second 0 you didn't no hit

yeah

[limber drift]

Yeah but like it feels like if someone manages to like do like 1 second less than the amount but still get disqualified despite very much not “shredding” the boss

[gilded citrus]

Balancing is fucked, skill to dodge does not matter as much if you pull out the most evil and vile buid ever to obliterate a boss in 3 picoseconds

[craggy girder]

the killtime is not the goalpost but more the "looks good" meter

realistically you wanna be over it by a little bit

(some people even do 1.5x killtime just for the challenge

[royal tapir]

I don't remember that at all

Just that Crumbling and Armor Crunch's days are numbered and that some of their uses in general can be replaced with Broken Armor

[lucid marsh]

Wait what
Huh

[novel belfry]

there used to be one. for some fucking reason it was nuked

[limber drift]

Dart fans in shambles

[plush flame]

shadowspec dart ammo coming in distortion update trust 🙏

[limber drift]

but no dart weapons upgrades

Just darts

Wait hold on calamity does kind of still have a dart weapon

“Darkecho Greatbow” Fires two arrows at once, and Fires an additional crystal dart

[indigo yacht]

the thing is that usually the mnl is already quite low and to be underneath it you did shred the bosses

anyways half the time there's leeway in place so that unless you're like 5 Seconds under or more as long as the rest of the nohit is good then you'll still be verified

[half imp]

MY GOAT

[novel belfry]

LMAO

wait just rework it into a true dart weapon

Dartecho Greatbow

[limber drift]

Wait true actually

But actually the cryonic set is definitely one that could totally use a basically entire redo

Wait why is the cryonic hammer called abyssal greathammer

[keen zodiac]

abyss as in like, eldritch void

bc cryonic gear is vaguely darkness themed for some reason

[limber drift]

That doesn’t explain it since the set is cold and kind of crystal moreso

The set is generally a mess as is with a mish-mash of themes

[kind laurel]

void = cold = ice = ice metal

[keen zodiac]

darklight greatsword
starnight lance
darkecho greatbow

[kind laurel]

logik

[keen zodiac]

shadecrystal barrage

[limber drift]

Yeah but does it actually at all relate to night with the weapons looks and effects

[kind laurel]

Darklight is SoN + SoL though to it makes sense

the rest idk

[deft yew]

“themed” (named, and nothing else)

[kind laurel]

well besides my earlier logic

[keen zodiac]

look they were named in like 2017-2018

i'm not saying the theme is fitting or good

just that it's sorta there

[limber drift]

Also its weird how darkecho greatbow fires an additional crystal dart while not using crystals in its recipe

[deft yew]

I have to wonder where the name theme came from

Black ice??

[limber drift]

Hype moments and aura

It sounds cool

[keen zodiac]

what's the pickaxe called i forgot

[limber drift]

Wait but also like several parts are named kind of after light

Shardlight pickaxe

[keen zodiac]

and shimmerspark

hmm

[limber drift]

Starlight wings

[kind laurel]

Starlight wings made from an underground metal...

[keen zodiac]

then there's daedalus armor, daedalus golem staff and crystal piercer

which have no theme

thank you calamity

[kind laurel]

It's that one guy's OC actually from April Fools

[limber drift]

Which are also entirely unrelated to the daedalus stormbow

[keen zodiac]

and daedalus (scrapped character)

[kind laurel]

who even was he anyway

[keen zodiac]

scientist 2

blew up a supercomputer and it created the tundra (?????)

[limber drift]

Thats insane lore

Evil calamitas type action

[keen zodiac]

he's also unrelated to the debuff "icarus' folly"

[limber drift]

That is refering to the mythological character which is very weird

[keen zodiac]

in icarus mythology daedalus was his dad

[limber drift]

Like is daedalus (calamity) meant to be named after the mythological character

[keen zodiac]

yeah couldn't tell you

[crude geode]

Old cal lore ran like 90% on rule of cool

[limber drift]

Probably would be since where the hell else would that name come from

[kind laurel]

*edginess

[keen zodiac]

stormbow

[limber drift]

Like maybe specifically from daedalus stormbow but that would be stupid

[keen zodiac]

i'm 80% sure it was from the bow

[limber drift]

Why name a scientist after a bow

[kind laurel]

Because it was iconic

[keen zodiac]

and it was 2017

[limber drift]

But yeah the cryonic set is really starting to show its age

[kind laurel]

Don't forget about the iconic character S. T. Arfury

[keen zodiac]

i'm pretty sure cryonic gear existed first and was meant to kinda sorta fit in with the bow

and the scientist was tacked on later

[limber drift]

Thats really dumb

[keen zodiac]

it is!

[kind laurel]

Bow is Hallow
Other stuff is Tundra

what

[keen zodiac]

look ask fabsol not me

[limber drift]

They should add a name for the mechanic calling her daedalus

[keen zodiac]

Daedalië Callidora..

[limber drift]

Also add names to goblin tinkerer, steampunker and cyborg all being variations of Daedalus

[keen zodiac]

true

[limber drift]

Also why is cryonic ore spawned after defeating cryogen, but can’t be mined until two whole mechs are defeated or something

[keen zodiac]

shrug

[limber drift]

But a cryonic overhaul to the set would actually be pretty good, so we don’t have like 10 new basic ore yoyos, spears, bows and swords

Like it could have like a flail, maybe a sword similar to the starlight, maybe a dart weapon

Daedalus golem could become a summon like desert tiger where more summon slots just makes it stronger

[keen zodiac]

also after looking into it, darklight greatsword, starnight lance, darkecho greatbow, shardlight pickaxe and abyssal warhammer haven't been renamed since 1.0 when they looked like this

[limber drift]

Oh that explains part of it

Not shardlight though thats really weird what about that is light

[keen zodiac]

and shimmerspark, shadecrystal barrage and crystal piercer were added in 1.1.4.41 when they looked like this

and then daedalus golem staff was added in 1.5???????

[limber drift]

Yay recoloured sprites my beloved

[limber drift]

It is the “most unique” of the weapons arguably

[kind laurel]

Whenever I feel bad about my sprites I just look at oldCal

these are disgusting

[keen zodiac]

daedalus armor and starlight wings were also added in 1.0

and again, nothing has been renamed since introduction

[limber drift]

Okay those aren’t the worst sprites ever shockingly

[keen zodiac]

true

they feel like 3ds sprites

[limber drift]

Like they ugly but being their age like they’re not awful

Also like was the set originally hallow themed

[keen zodiac]

idk

[limber drift]

Like it looks like crystal shards kinda and the helmet has a unicorn horn

[keen zodiac]

apparently verium bolt was verium bullet in 1.0

[limber drift]

the ore used to spawn after slime god

[keen zodiac]

and lastly, ornate shield, also 1.0

[keen zodiac]

i see

[limber drift]

Thats crazy

Of course its because of slime fraud

[drowsy plank]

im ngl the concept of shadow ice is far more interesting than just "ice" like cryonic has become and i wouldnt mind if calamity leaned into that more

like brimstone flames but cold

[limber drift]

I guess but cryonic also does try to be like learning into crystals kinda

[keen zodiac]

true

[limber drift]

Also shadow cold ore is kind of already what exodium kinda is

[drowsy plank]

that's fucking boring ice is already a crystal

[limber drift]

No ice is a mineral get it right

[keen zodiac]

it has a crystalline structure

why do you think bits of ice are called "ice crystals"

[limber drift]

Its probably considered both actually

[worthy lintel]

ice is ice 😠

[keen zodiac]

that's specifically space

not ice

[limber drift]

Ice is in space like in comets

[keen zodiac]

and exodium isn't real you can't craft anything with it

[keen zodiac]

that does not mean it's included in exodium

[crude geode]

[limber drift]

I know its just there would end up being a decent thematic overlap of dark cold ore

And calamity already has a severe ore theming overlap problem

[crude geode]

“dark cold ore”
we have like 10 different sets themed around fire I think it’s fine

[keen zodiac]

also cryonic has lore importance because it gives permafrost one (1) feat

[kind laurel]

Exodium overlaps with Luminite more than a dark ice ore

[crude geode]

^

[tame vigil]

yeah its cause the name darkecho greatbow kicks ass

[keen zodiac]

true

still makes no fuckin sense

[kind laurel]

I shall be stealing the idea of darkness ice weapons and will promplty forget

[limber drift]

Isn’t that just like endothermic energy stuff or am I dumb

Which I know is getting removed

[keen zodiac]

endothermic energy also isn't real

[limber drift]

Endothermic energy as a name does go kinda hard

[crude geode]

Darksun fragments are the only material I respect post ml /j

[limber drift]

Nightmare fuel and darksun fragments are also kind of cool names

[kind laurel]

Might as well be called "ASE Fragments"

[indigo yacht]

truth nuke

[limber drift]

But calamities ores honestly do have a lot of identity issues because like so few are unique when compared to vanilla and eachother, like:

• Sea Prism: Actually unique so youre fine
• Aerialite: Unique as an ore but is very similar to sunplate thematically
• Infernal Suevite: Hellstone 2
• Cryonic: Again, unique as an ore but thematically overlaps severely with crystal shards
• Hallowed ore : totally unique and needed inclusion in the mod as an ore that generates
• Perrenial: Chlorophyte 2
• Scoria: Hellstone 3
• Astral Ore: Like unique thematically but like its name is like one of the like 5 ores with space-based names and is basically funcitonally Meteorite 2
• Exodium Cluster: Luminite 2, and Space-themed ore 4 (meteorite and astral ore)
• Uelibloom: Chlorphyte 3, or more fittingly Chlorophyte Tree
• Auric: auric means relating to gold, so its Gold 2

• Cosmilite: Space ore 5, and also has way to similar of a name to cosmolight

[crude geode]

Sunplate isn’t really a thing in terms of gear

[limber drift]

I know but like the stuff could like just be made of sunplate

But aerialite is definitely one of the least offensive ores when thinking about uniqueness

But I just had a great Idea, make Uelibloom into a tree type that generates in the jungle post-providence

Then you can keep its usage in like the decent items of its set while still reducing ore bloat

Also like we already have a furniture set for it so you’d not even have to worry about that

[glass arch]

alternatively just kill uelibloom and use one of the other two providence materials

[limber drift]

But… what about… my beloved botanic furniture

[kind laurel]

Make it craft from Chlorophyte

[drowsy plank]

hallowed ore was a good addition tbqh

[crude geode]

^

[limber drift]

?? But its yellow though

[glass arch]

and uelibloom is?

[limber drift]

It is yes???

[kind laurel]

Green and brown

[limber drift]

Its more of a yellowy brown

Or like goldish

[limber drift]

I’m gonna be honest I’ve never actually gone mining for hallowed ore I just kill the mechs extra times because its way more convienient

[kind laurel]

Better than keeping an ore in for nothing

[glass arch]

anyways just throw idk gold into the recipe or dont and just have it be chlorophyte itll be fine

[kind laurel]

And better than whatever the heck Chlorophyte's color scheme is

[limber drift]

But like I feel like changing it to be a cool little tree thing could just be nice

[kind laurel]

Green, black, and mahogany?

[limber drift]

Chlorophyte is just green right?

[kind laurel]

Uelibloom becomes a wood with no other functionality but furniture

best outcome

(or just have Chloro + Rich Mahogany = Uelibloom Brick)

[limber drift]

I’d say if any weapons from its set were to remain they could still use it so it isn’t just one note

[limber drift]

That would make like no sense since where would the goldish-yellow parts come from

[kind laurel]

I guess reddish brown and yellowish brown are distinct enough

[limber drift]

Palm wood would make way more sense colour wise even

But like just having minor stuff happen to the world like new uelibloom trees in post moon lord would be good to add

[kind laurel]

Auric is kind of electricity themed

[limber drift]

Yeah but like there isn’t really any ores that are and auric literally means gold

[limber drift]

Post-moon lord needs more world gen content that actually shows the world change instead of just exodium planetoids and two boringish ores, in terms of generation

[kind laurel]

Screw this let's just kill every bar in Calamity

[plush flame]

true!

[limber drift]

[keen zodiac]

[limber drift]

Ores and bars are the worst thing to happen to terraria as it causes so many unique ideas of materials to become barslop

[kind laurel]

Revert meld to bar

[keen zodiac]

smelting asternove into a fine ingot

[limber drift]

Like some ideas:
perennial could be a kind of flower that starts to grow post plantera
Scoria could be like some kind of “rock” in the abyss
Uelibloom could literally be trees that appear in the world
Cryonic could be a kind of crystal

[keen zodiac]

scoria being abyss rock is already planned afaik

[kind laurel]

Scoria is far enough from Hellstone to be fine I think

[keen zodiac]

same with cryonic crystal

[kind laurel]

Hell rock and hydrothermal vent rock is different enough

Infernal Suevite though...

[limber drift]

Hellstone is already fire rock which is what scoria is though I feel

[keen zodiac]

infernal suevite can just die

[limber drift]

Especially if scoria does become a rock now that I think about it since hellstone is specifically a “stone”

[crude geode]

Infernal Suevite is different bc it….uh comes from brimstone environment instead of hell. Totally different

[kind laurel]

Different(tm)

[limber drift]

Infernal suevite could become like some kind of metamorphic rock or something idk

Maybe make into like bone or something

[crude geode]

Scoria is specifically thermal undersea vents, not just fire rock from Hell

[keen zodiac]

scorched bone:

[crude geode]

Damn that’s be crazy. Imagine if there was a bone material.

[limber drift]

Demonic bone powder

[kind laurel]

IS is also basically the same theme as Brimmy anyway

[limber drift]

Also Exodium could actually be like formed in like an asteroid belt like formation

[kind laurel]

It can just die I think

[keen zodiac]

stratus

[kind laurel]

Luminite can generate like that

[keen zodiac]

stratus needs exodium

it wouldn't work with luminite

[crude geode]

Can’t it just use like. luminite and ruinous souls or something

[keen zodiac]

.

the theming would get thrown way off

[kind laurel]

Astral Bars?

[keen zodiac]

not even slightly related to the astral

[lavish yoke]

stratus and astral infection arent even slightly related

[kind laurel]

Idk I just saw it was starry

[limber drift]

It should use meteorite

[keen zodiac]

stratus was actually pioneered by the lunatic cultist

in the lore

[craggy girder]

why not might i ask

[kind laurel]

I think a void material is pretty cool just don't make it space themed

[keen zodiac]

.

[craggy girder]

ik what themeing

[kind laurel]

and for the love of everything don't make it a bar

[keen zodiac]

well for one, the color palette is completely different

teal and copper vs dark gray

also luminite is from the distortion now

i think

[craggy girder]

copper?

[keen zodiac]

the highlights

[craggy girder]

those are rose gold my friend

[kind laurel]

it even has Stratus' cyan

[keen zodiac]

that is not the same bruh 😭

[crude geode]

I don’t see it. Hell, Lumenyl looks more like stratus stuff than exodium does

[keen zodiac]

stratus isn't even slightly green

[keen zodiac]

you already sent this

[craggy girder]

i know its more zoomed

[kind laurel]

I should probably shut up about Stratus considering I've never played a patch with it

[craggy girder]

those are closer to like. pink than orange

[kind laurel]

That far at least

[keen zodiac]

in the context of the other colors it looks like a coppery sheen

[craggy girder]

anyways luminite doesnt really have the deep hues

(ex: Alpha Draconis)

[keen zodiac]

post halley's inferno

that'd be better i think

[kind laurel]

It's like #ff05f and #00ff80 colors

[craggy girder]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Halley's_Inferno

not what i copied but okay here we are

like tbh if it just didnt have exodium at ALL i would be fine with it

[lavish yoke]

hi did you say hailey

nvm that's halley

[kind laurel]

sad

[crude geode]

Same

[limber drift]

Thats because it uses lumenyl in their recipes

[craggy girder]

since lumenyl and ruinous souls are fine, we dont need this post ml drop

[keen zodiac]

what's the base material gonna be

[limber drift]

Exoidum is also used in the soul artifacts so it does have more than just stratus

[craggy girder]

does it

need one?

[lavish yoke]

why are we removing exodium

[limber drift]

Where would the black body come from

[keen zodiac]

you can't have something like that only made of soul infused crystals

[lavish yoke]

it's fine as it is

[keen zodiac]

the crystal stuff is the blue

[lavish yoke]

it makes stratus and artifacts

[keen zodiac]

yeah this

[lavish yoke]

Meld construct

[craggy girder]

(inspect edit) this isnt that far off

[limber drift]

Also theres like 8 donor items using it removing it would be very difficult

[keen zodiac]

also distortion

[craggy girder]

okay fovos cant have Two materials

he cant do that. greedy rat.

[keen zodiac]

he has 6 technically

since he made the pillars

[kind laurel]

Honestly I feel like Exodium is used in places just so it can be worthwhile which just makes it simulateously feel useless and hard to remove

[crude geode]

^

[lavish yoke]

but what will be used for the artifacts

[craggy girder]

tbh just make a new star pebble

new fallen star

idfk

[limber drift]

I will say entirely removing it just because it is somewhat similar to another thing and could be removedwould be dumb

[keen zodiac]

those could be luminite tbh

[craggy girder]

i just dont like exodium lol

[crude geode]

Why tf is it in profaned soul artifact

[limber drift]

Wait your cooking

[limber drift]

Its in all soul artifacts

[crude geode]

Dumb

[lavish yoke]

burnt up star

fallen star at a furnace

[craggy girder]

whys it in phantomic artifact