suggestions-discussion

[dense locust]

or is it still stupidly rare for no reason

[craggy girder]

no more ancient cloth

[keen zodiac]

also good

[craggy girder]

i know hm underground desert as "uuuuughhhh."

like as SOON as you hit hardmode, the desert sucks

[oblique birch]

I believe it just gonna decide to be bugged sometimes like holy shit

I can't believe this fucking thing is real man

[lean surge]

It's funny how 1.4.4 made pre-hm underground desert pretty fuckin interesting and in hm it still just sucks

[tepid crown]

i dont think so

[craggy girder]

in phm its like

[novel belfry]

1.4!

[craggy girder]

trying something

[lean surge]

Oh yeah true whoops

[keen zodiac]

ancient cloth in vanilla is used to craft exactly two vanity items and that's literally it

[craggy girder]

and then in hm its like "so what if. we got rid of ALL the enemies. and replaced them with bullshit that does Nothing."

[keen zodiac]

more useless than beetle juice

[craggy girder]

i genuinely think its the second highest spawn rate place in the game

[half imp]

I almost gave ancient cloth to an alcohol

[dense locust]

erm its 5

[craggy girder]

and it uses None of that

[earnest raptor]

#suggestions-discussion is greatest channel on this server for a good reason

[lean surge]

And doesn't even continue upon the themes of the pre-hm version

[keen zodiac]

i would kill you

[oblique birch]

evil ass dev

[craggy girder]

what, a molotov

[oblique birch]

(just what you are tbh)

[lean surge]

Ghouls? Basilisks? Fuckin Djinns??? What does that have ANYTHING to do with antlions?

[crude geode]

we just needed one more random jungle material bro I promise it’ll fix everything bro

[craggy girder]

when sunken sea overhaul drops, just the top part of the desert gets to live

every other part just

[dense locust]

why does it even drop from ghouls anyway

[craggy girder]

stops

and not mummies???

[oblique birch]

yeah why Ghoul of all fucking shit

[craggy girder]

actually easy to farm enemies?

the Cloth

[dense locust]

why not like, fucking lamias or desert spirits or something

[craggy girder]

why lamia

[oblique birch]

bro has nothing 😭

[oblique birch]

it makes no sense at all

[craggy girder]

not disastrous enough

[dense locust]

why not

[earnest raptor]

animals got extinct after souls emerged and therefore humanoid monsters emerged
It's just like how humans turned forests into cities and revolutionized them

[craggy girder]

wheres king amidias

[tepid crown]

we should give worm tooth uses

[keen zodiac]

basilisks should be sandstorm enemies

[dense locust]

makes about as much sense as "giant pile of living sand"

[craggy girder]

no we should kill worm tooth actually

[half imp]

little did you know ancient cloth in grand scale was a ploy to make nobody use them so we can remove them

[tepid crown]

cant really do that since its vanilla

[half imp]

-# (this is a joke)

[crude geode]

Please

[craggy girder]

idk man ive seen some items nerfed into the floor and just made unusable

[drowsy plank]

it should just drop from every like. humanoid hardmode desert enemy

[craggy girder]

okay so like

idea

at the beginning of hardmode, the entire desert collapses on itself and its just a huge pit

[oblique birch]

Worm Tooth is used for 1 single thing right

[craggy girder]

two i think

[oblique birch]

Unholy Arrow

[novel belfry]

new sandstorm enemy: sand elemental, but she's wearing a hat made out of ancient cloth. she drops 1-3 ancient cloth at all times

[craggy girder]

unholy arrows and a potion

[dense locust]

thorns potion on 3ds version

[oblique birch]

no I don't think it's used for Potion anymore

[keen zodiac]

continue

[oblique birch]

yeah

[craggy girder]

thats it

you go into the pit and you farm there

since no antlions

[drowsy plank]

🤨

[craggy girder]

their tunnels Collapsed

[keen zodiac]

well i've always been on board with drastic world changes so that sounds cool

[craggy girder]

i remembered it being used in a potion

[oblique birch]

you were correct

[drowsy plank]

yeah in pre-history

[oblique birch]

however outdated information

[tepid crown]

calling 3ds version prehistory

😭

[half imp]

Worm tooth is so funny

I should have used it in an alcohol

[craggy girder]

oughh im so old or something

wasnt it used in like

[drowsy plank]

the 3DS came out in 2010

[craggy girder]

huuuntterrrr potiionnn????

[oblique birch]

I'm gonna kill you

[earnest raptor]

well, it was before calamity released, so it is before history of calamity

[keen zodiac]

shark fin

[craggy girder]

no it was thorns

[oblique birch]

Crimson doesn't have access to Worm Tooth

[craggy girder]

1.4.4 actually removed it!

[half imp]

Good

[craggy girder]

it wasnt that unrecent!

[tepid crown]

worm tooth isnt even used in anything in calamity

[drowsy plank]

it is bc worm tooth is a bad item

[craggy girder]

we should have a compendium of all items that have like

one use

[lean surge]

Man do I have to go to the balance issue reports thing for my terraprisma suggestion

[craggy girder]

or are bullshit

[drowsy plank]

which is why crimson just changes the recipe to use vetebra with no replacement

[craggy girder]

like worm tooth

or ancient cloth

[tepid crown]

if its gonna be statistical changes yeah

[craggy girder]

what baffles me is that worm tooth isnt just called Corrupt Tooth and it drops from like

[keen zodiac]

shark fins are way too rare for how useful they are

[craggy girder]

99% of enemies

[half imp]

Hear me out

Large Perforator drops worm tooth

[earnest raptor]

1.0 item moment

[craggy girder]

rotten chunk already does this

[half imp]

that would suck

[lean surge]

I mean it's more of a "I think Terraprisma should be pre-prov balanced" and it's requiring me to give my loadout and I like, don't fucking have one lmfao I'm not doing a playthrough rn

[drowsy plank]

sounds bad chief

[craggy girder]

this would be Good i think

and hten corruptors just dont

only eaters of souls

[half imp]

making items just obtained from everything is so boring

[craggy girder]

bc no one needs fucking unholy arrows like. ever.

Ever.

[drowsy plank]

if the tooth was a very low drop chance i wouldnt mind as much with worms being more common to drop them

[novel belfry]

okay i have another new crackpot idea

[half imp]

unholy arrows are really good

[novel belfry]

worm tooth armor

[keen zodiac]

it's better than making them obtained from 2 things

[craggy girder]

i cannot name one time i've used em

[half imp]

No it's not

[novel belfry]

pre-boss btw

[lean surge]

Yeah what are you on about

[keen zodiac]

bad

[half imp]

Limited obtainment is great

[craggy girder]

Yes! Yes! more pre-boss corruption armor!

we need more!

yes!

[half imp]

Worm tooth is mostly an issue of it is used for nothing of use anymore

[craggy girder]

Ebonwood and Ancient Shadow was NOT enough we need eight more

[novel belfry]

i told you it was a crackpot idea

[lean surge]

Like, do I still use #1178515062030348308 ? Do I just use the suggestions posting???

[half imp]

When it was originally added worm tooth for unholy arrows was really valuable

[craggy girder]

its like

never been of use.

"ah yes i can make 5(?) pierce arrows vs ones made of the things that fall from the Sky"

[half imp]

The issue is

That ammo in general became much more easy to get

[craggy girder]

like jester arrows grant so much more of a benefit in solely acquistion its funny

[lean surge]

You do know that unholy arrows have higher base damage right

And 5 pierce is like, more than enough for EoC for example

[craggy girder]

id only be using them for the pierce, in which i have better items for pierce

[lean surge]

They're like the highest base damage arrow other than hellfire at that point

[craggy girder]

on EoC i can use jesters or just Flaming Arrows, and for evil1 i can use jesters

[lean surge]

And if you use hellfire arrows pre-evil you are evil

[keen zodiac]

i didn't even know they could pierce because i've literally never used them

[craggy girder]

remove arrows actually

bows just fire projectiels now

they fire hitboxes

[earnest raptor]

projectiels

[craggy girder]

yah

[lean surge]

Anyways seriously what do I do here

[oblique birch]

I think this is more of an Ocean generation problem

like if you have a small Ocean it's fucking over

[craggy girder]

yes! i love my ocean being 99% off the map

yes!

[oblique birch]

good luck getting Shark Fins that's not from Sandstorm

[keen zodiac]

i usually get huge oceans and there's still no fucking sharks

[craggy girder]

anahita keeps spawning off the map .

[lean surge]

Ugh whatever

[earnest raptor]

last time I remembered unholy arrows existed is that unholy arrows do not vaporize after certain distance

[keen zodiac]

my wish is that calamity makes the ocean a similar size to the sulphur sea
bc like
you really don't need so much surface jungle/outer forests

[craggy girder]

straight from jungle to marshlands to ocean

[oblique birch]

Outer Forests are so useless

[craggy girder]

theres like 300 tiles of wetland

and then boom

All Ocean

[tepid crown]

but natural king slime spawns!!!!

[oblique birch]

we can just eat it if Cal gonna have to ever change the Ocean generation at all

[lean surge]

I'll just make my terraprisma suggestion in #suggestions-posting if no one's gonna tell me where to actually post it

[crude geode]

Goblin Scouts and that one new 1.4.5 spawn

[keen zodiac]

what's the suggestion

[oblique birch]

they can spawn in the Ocean that's fine

[keen zodiac]

make them beach spawns

[oblique birch]

just put some platform

[keen zodiac]

and make the beach bigger

[lean surge]

Rebalance Terraprisma to be more in line with pre-providence weapons

I can't put it in #1178515062030348308 because a lot of the required stuff I don't have

[keen zodiac]

then here's probably fine

[lean surge]

I'm not actively using the weapon in a playthrough so I can't give a loadout

And like, I'm not really requesting they do anything in specific to the stats here either

[earnest raptor]

that's because 1.2 made them craftable

and reduced amount of stars you need for mana crystals

and made mana no longer necessary for some items

[drowsy plank]

i mean you could and probably should just use a testing loadout (from tiercord spreadsheet which i could share if necessary) for such a thing
i think it could still fit in #1178515062030348308 if you explain why terraprisma should be balanced to last longer due to how hard it is to obtain

and then show the killtimes off demonstrating that it isn't doing that

[lean surge]

I just don't trust that I'm good enough at the game anymore to even test killtimes

Like yeah I could probably do Providence but like I wouldn't be doing it that well

[earnest raptor]

speaking of that...

[drowsy plank]

that's fine imo

it doesn't need to be perfect or even good, if it looks wrong someone will retest it anyway

and if you test it against an ontier option

[earnest raptor]

remember when mana crystals costed 3 dollars fallen stars?

[drowsy plank]

so two tests

it would fix the issue of your skill being a controlling variable

since both would be done by you

[lean surge]

I'll probably just do Terraprisma, Legion only, then legion + flowers or smth

Later tho

[drowsy plank]

sounds good

[frail fox]

Honey balloon 🔥

[keen zodiac]

would a biome generation rework suggestion fall under high effort

[oblique birch]

is this about Ocean

[keen zodiac]

possibly

[oblique birch]

ye too high effort

[keen zodiac]

[half imp]

I could see stinger necklace

Sweetheart is a no bc it's in Defic

Deific also has bee cloak ingredients all in it so not that

[oblique birch]

can't we just use Bottled Honey for one of those

[half imp]

for Defic?

no

[oblique birch]

Decanter specifically

[half imp]

For Decanter? Maybe

[oblique birch]

ye I just realized that

[half imp]

But like Decanter does spawn plague bees on hit

[oblique birch]

hmm

[half imp]

So it really does inherit honeycomb

[novel belfry]

that

took longer than expected

for the bot to get nuked

[lean surge]

Idk why it would need to be smth else

[lucid marsh]

Why not put decanter in deific amulet?

The accessory barely does anything as it is

Compared to other things at the same tier I mean

[barren ridge]

on god me and my friend were just talking about this, cause calamity makes empress harder in rev/death then to make terraprisma feel more like an accomplishment they should make it be viable for pre-providence.

[lucid marsh]

Although this kind of thing was discussed before

[craggy girder]

what does it do again

spawns plague bees on hit And

[keen zodiac]

all attacks inflict the plague

[craggy girder]

hrm

[keen zodiac]

and grants immunity to plague i think

[lucid marsh]

Amulet is a combination of about half of the "do things when you get hit" items

[craggy girder]

if the Bees inflicted the plague, i'd be good with putting it in Deific but also deific is already like

A+

its really really really good in my practice

[lucid marsh]

Huh

It give extra I frames and spawns various things when you take damage

Maybe the way to make deific amulet good is not to add other things to it but to give it synergy with the other things that give stuff when you take damage

Mana cloak and plague decanter

[oblique birch]

Deific is already good

[lucid marsh]

To me it seemed like it wouldn't be any better than the other stuff you get at the same tier. Between the basically mandatory accessories I had, I'd rather use the absorber over the deific amulet

[keen zodiac]

well yeah obviously the absorber is better

that doesn't make deific bad though

[oblique birch]

(They also serve different purposes)

[lucid marsh]

Ok so like

[keen zodiac]

deific's main use case is to prevent chain hits

[lucid marsh]

If I'm playing mage for example, my slots are:
Boots
Wings
Sigil of Calamitas
Some other stuff I forgot
And then I have like 2 slots for other things

What ever chain hits you at that stage of the game?

Oh right, amalgamated brain, that's one of the other nearly irreplaceable ones

Shield of the high ruler too

And void of calamity

[oblique birch]

Whaaat

Void of Calamity that thing is useless

😭

[lean surge]

I agree with this

...obviously, considering it's basically what I just said

[hazy nacelle]

amalgamated brain was already nerfed

[keen zodiac]

@topaz vault read the pinned doc

[topaz vault]

mb

[half imp]

Deific is already very good

It does not need more

[half imp]

Actually not necessarily

The deific star bees... The beeities? do a not insignificant amount of damage

[mossy pelican]

So many suggestions holy shit

[oblique birch]

suggestion death battle

[indigo yacht]

all your suggestions suck goodbye

https://tenor.com/view/fna-fnaf-scott-cawthon-all-your-theories-are-wrong-gif-14805434331413338057

[lucid marsh]

12% damage up

[oblique birch]

worse than an Emblem 😭

an Expert drop from a mid tier HM boss is worse than a class Emblem

[lucid marsh]

Fair enough

Ok idea

Void of calamity makes all attacks inflict brimflame

It used to combine with the abandon to make the void of extinction

[glass arch]

alternatively we dont ship of theseus it back into void of extinction and rework the accessory entirely

[lucid marsh]

Sure but all attacks inflicting brimflames is different enough

Second idea: instead of raining fireballs randomly, it periodically shoots fireballs at enemies from you

[keen zodiac]

how about we kill it and make regenerator the expert accessory

[drowsy plank]

true...

[hollow shell]

@novel belfry
#suggestions-posting message

(Not just consistency with vanilla. Shield of the High Ruler also displays its damage.)

[drowsy plank]

"something that is shared with it's Hyrulian upgrade"

[plush flame]

displaying damage is a bonk thing

[hollow shell]

Missed that mb, was looking for it by name

[novel belfry]

why?

[plush flame]

idk its just what ive observed

[novel belfry]

well since rover didnt notice im just going to drop the name as well

[hollow shell]

Yeah I would preesh that

And I agree
No reason ram shields shouldn't list their damage

[glass arch]

vanilla precedent kinda sets them up to be more damage focused than mobility honestly even if thats what everybody uses them for so ig theres just a stigma around bonks that says "hey these things have to show damage raaaaaaaaaah"

[drowsy plank]

i thought we agreed all accessories should show their damage at this point

[hollow shell]

Does Leviathan Ambergris have a base damage of its own?

[glass arch]

it does but its not listed anywhere afaik

oh ok yeah its only in the wiki changelogs

650 base damage (jesus christ what the fuck)

[hollow shell]

The Transformer would certainly benefit from this (even though it's not related to dashes at all)

It's very weapon-like, down to being, like
.. outclassed within a few tiers

But it's really cool and I loved using it

[polar bison]

I think transformer could really benefit from getting an upgrade of sorts

[oblique birch]

Grazing is pretty fun

I wouldn't mind it getting an upgrade

[half imp]

hmm

I think I see something that needs a nerf

[glass arch]

it gets cut in 3 every hit but like

thats still 650 base damage

[half imp]

yeah

Especially when it also boosts dash mobility so much that's just

way too high

[glass arch]

and scales off best class damage too

[half imp]

Pauldron is also 330 that might need a nerf

Dashing into enemies deals 67 typeless damage on the first hit and 330 typeless damage on subsequent hits

what

[dense locust]

peak?

[half imp]

Is that for real does it just do 67 dmg single target

and then 330 when being used on like worms

[hollow shell]

Wack

(I would still be sad if Ambergris got a nerf cuz bonk-mashing against bosses with that and High Ruler, and dealing respectable DPS, was really fun)

[glass arch]

i dont think so i could be wrong but this look like it deals 2/3rds of its base damage

[half imp]

huh

[glass arch]

right?

or no thats on hit each hit it loses a third of its damage

[half imp]

This means it loses 33% yeah

[glass arch]

ok i have no fucking idea where the base damage is stored

i dont think its 330 though

nvm it is

[half imp]

the 67 dmg thing is just

not true from what i see in the code

[hazy nacelle]

first hit only explosion?

[half imp]

yeah

[glass arch]

no

[half imp]

wait

[glass arch]

i dont think so

[half imp]

first hit doesn't do 67 dmg

[hazy nacelle]

but item writeups are just totally wrong after they have been reworked

[half imp]

pauldron wasn't reworked

[glass arch]

im not seeing anywhere in the code where the damage for the first hit is defined

or for the explosion for that matter

[hazy nacelle]

maybe it has been wrong from before

[half imp]

huh why does pauldron do heavy knockback

[oblique birch]

It doesn't make sense?

[hollow shell]

Why wouldn't it 🤔

[oblique birch]

Yeah why wouldn't it

[half imp]

heavy knockback is the special knockback that ignores kb resistance

[dense locust]

isnt that like explicitly bad for pauldron

ig if its low enough kb maybe

[hazy nacelle]

oh that's why stuff is flying everywhere when I dash with that

[half imp]

there's a lot of things that have heavy knockback that really shouldn't

[hollow shell]

Is that to facilitate the "knock towards the cursor" feature that was just added for it?

[oblique birch]

Yeah why bangles have that should be question actually

[half imp]

yes, but it's explicitly set to like

ignore kb resist

[hazy nacelle]

knocking worms into orbit

[glass arch]

damn flare dust is still FuckYou internally

[polar bison]

Yeah I was ripping files and got jumpscared

[dense locust]

what if we just exploded the early hardmode ore rework

[keen zodiac]

don't the infernal suevite items require mythril anvil anyway

[keen zodiac]

no

[glass arch]

nnnnnnnope

or well

most of them do

but then charred idol only needs hellforge

[keen zodiac]

well make all of them require it and literally nothing changes

except brimmy loot

[glass arch]

charred idol and burning sea

of course you could also make it require slag instead of brimstone cores

[dense ferry]

"What if we made Calamity worse"

[half imp]

nah actually the more i think about it the more i think

early hm is fine in vanilla

in cal we need the rework bc of the 3 bosses we insert tho

[dense ferry]

I know that just trampling over Vanilla is Not Cool but disregarding any subjective opinions about whether or not you prefer the rework, the fact is that Calamity needs because of

Yeah

I was gonna say that

Regardless of whether or not you prefer this or Vanilla

[indigo yacht]

simply remove the bosses

[dense ferry]

Calamity needs it or else Early HM is cooked

[half imp]

simply rmeove the mod

[dense locust]

early hardmode is already cooked

[dense ferry]

Ok how about we make it the least cooked as possible?

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-gif-12086427764962698916

[errant wren]

can we remove terraria from calamity

[dense ferry]

Besides it will hopefully one day be uncooked

[half imp]

dobut

[keen zodiac]

terraria has too many underbaked ideas for that i think

[errant wren]

1.4.6 when it

[drowsy plank]

i like the hardmode rework, if it was in vanilla i think there would not be enough content to support it

[crude geode]

Yeah I can definitely see that

I think if we were to try and shove in that type of rework into early pre-hm it wouldn’t work since there’s not like 3 extra bosses and biomes, but well. HM does have it.

[kind laurel]

We have to give Yharim his Reign by making it only Calamity

[novel belfry]

@errant dune hi, please read my name and do what it says

[errant dune]

what is a name and how do i read..

uh okay

[errant dune]

anyways what do you think of my changes to the omega blue tentacles...

its still wip..

[novel belfry]

okay i gotta explain

so what i mean by "read the pins" is to consult this holy text, written by our lord and savior RoverdriveX: #suggestions-posting message

[errant dune]

i did it..

[novel belfry]

SHUT THE FUCK UP BOT

[errant dune]

damn

[novel belfry]

anyhow

this suggestion needs more reasoning

[errant dune]

fine

[novel belfry]

so yeah i can certainly agree that omega blue tentacles could act better, because right now they really dont feel like tentacles

they just feel more like the tube feet of echinoderms like starfish and sea urchins

reaching forward towards their target in a distinctly UNTENTACLE way

[errant dune]

it feels like happenstance most of the time

i have rewritten them and they're pretty good now....

[novel belfry]

okay i think you havent gotten the language down too well

also you should be careful with the image of choice, because that image looks like just your rework

holy shit

how many bots are coming for us

ANYHOW

for an example of a suggestion with a good image, here's one i made a few days ago:
#suggestions-voting message

the image is meant to convey a problem, which in my sugg's case is how the profaned guardians's new glow effect is... well, bad

[errant dune]

i see

i mean

at least a bit of my code is in there now..

[novel belfry]

suggestions should be worded to point out a problem, and request a change of sorts

in a hypothetical suggestion requesting for an update to the exoblade, (it doesn't really need one now)

you shouldn't be too specific, as in say "To fix Exoblade, you should make it act like the post 1.4.4 Terra Blade"

actually yknow what

[glass arch]

what you can do instead of having that last section is just use the suggestion to essentially say "hey these look kinda shit you should probably update the visuals on them a bit more"

[novel belfry]

Change how the Omega Blue tentacles move

The Omega Blue tentacles don't really act like tentacles, they act more like the extendable tube feet you'd find in starfish and sea urchins... which doesn't really fulfill the armor set's intended fantasy of having swiping and slamming tentacles like that of a kraken.

I'd therefore suggest updating the movements of the Omega Blue tentacles to better convey that they are tentacles.

here's how i'd write your sugg

[errant dune]

fair enough i guess

[novel belfry]

you can btw literally just copy my entire suggestion word for word

i do not care

[errant dune]

uh huh

[indigo yacht]

what's with the fucking eyes

[drowsy plank]

no idea

[errant dune]

it means they think its cool, i think

[glass arch]

no it means check the pins

its not an official react they just did it for some reason

we really shouldnt be doing that

[errant dune]

i already checked the pins

[errant dune]

interesting

[north oracle]

@proud tree please don't use reactions in posting other than the exclam, just ping people here if you flag a suggestion with what's wrong with it

also
@royal tapir

Please

[proud tree]

take to DMs next time

[north oracle]

tell people why you flagged something

[proud tree]

but thanks

[north oracle]

i can't remove the flag when its fixed if idk why you've put it on

[royal tapir]

Lemme look at it

Ehh this is still stating a specific solution instead of just identifying a problem, and the image adds absolutely nothing

[north oracle]

ye, i agree
@errant dune please see above

the code being old isn't a reason that it needs changing, and they don't do much most of the time because they're close range so i don't know what you're trying to say

[errant dune]

it doesn't fit the fantasy, looks bad, and barely functions as intended

[rancid lotus]

Wdym by “doesn't fit the fantasy”?

[errant dune]

they just kind of, wave around you and justkind of act likee they're pushed in a location

[rancid lotus]

What “fantasy” are you talking about?

[errant dune]

well youw ear the omega blue armor, and it comes with cool ass tentacles that leech life from enemies and attach viciously

andd then they just kind of wave around like seagrass

[north oracle]

it functions exactly as its intended to (actively latches onto enemies at close range)
your argument needs to be about why the current function isn't good enough, just saying it doesn't work isn't really helpful

saying its visuals are underwhelming is a start

[errant dune]

picture is my partial rework of it

[north oracle]

your own personal rework doesn't factor into what dev's rework will be

i'm sorry that's just not important to the suggestion

[errant dune]

mhm

its not really personal but eh

[tame vigil]

this is going to be such a grape suggestion

[polar bison]

This is a grape idea

[glass arch]

a gfb joke suggestion thats actually well reasoned? i never thought id see the day

[echo leaf]

grapes pls

[rancid wasp]

i agree

[echo leaf]

Astrageldon is literally a grape so

[rancid wasp]

literally

[echo leaf]

And AUreus is Astrageldon 2 so

Aureus should drop 2 grapes

[north oracle]

such a fucking dumb suggestion 😭

i love it

[echo leaf]

that's also enough to make grape juice as a reward for your hard work

[rancid wasp]

LET AUREUS DROP GRAPES‼️‼️‼️‼️

[echo leaf]

I'm gonna make picket signs

[crude geode]

When are we flipping the icicle arrow sprite in gfb

[polar bison]

vertically or horizontally

[novel belfry]

okay so

vertically

[glass arch]

no do it horizontally so nobody notices unless they look really closely

[polar bison]

yeah nobody notices if you do it horizontally

I know because I did both

[crude geode]

vertically bc that's how it was before

I think every update should flip a random arrow and unflip the previous one

[indigo yacht]

what problem does this solve

[glass arch]

aureus is named after grape bacteria and it drops no grapes

[gaunt crystal]

god now I want grapes

[earnest raptor]

I mean, Yharon drops chicken nuggets

[rancid lotus]

It solves the problem that Aureus doesn't drop grapes in the Get Fixed Boi seed.

[gaunt crystal]

@polar bison damn you for cursing me with craving I can't solve

[indigo yacht]

every time someone complains that their sis or srs is invalid the typical response is that suggestions are supposed to be focused on solving problems

this suggestion is just to further a joke

[polar bison]

Suggestions aren't inherently meant to fix problems?

[drowsy plank]

they generally are

GFB is the one exception

[glass arch]

gfb suggestions are also really goddamn hard to make without falling into "it would be funny" and this suggestion barely teeters on the edge of that

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-what-are-you-talking-about-bruh-wolf-of-wall-street-nose-pinch-gif-2883543456073544458

[earnest raptor]

did everyone just woke up in last 10 hours?

why is there 14 suggestions in #suggestions-posting queue

[novel belfry]

oh fuck i just realized

yeah

that is an awful lot of suggestions today

[earnest raptor]

is suggestions sub-forum back to former glory?

[novel belfry]

id make another but ive already made two this period

[drowsy plank]

to be fair it's not without precedent, this is a similar logic used for furniture and other purely aesthetic suggestions bc there's no real justifications for "add this furniture type" or "add this brick type" besides some handwaving about consistency

furthermore, it's not that different from the Burning Sky suggestion we got as well, that was also allowed by devs because "it was funny"

[indigo yacht]

I'd argue that furniture has actual value to players in the game which separates it, and i didn't want the burning sky one to take space from other suggestions either

but it's whatever i should be sleeping anyways

[quaint carbon]

I also think this is the best suggestion ever

It’s so stupid but it’s a valid suggestion and it actually has really sound reasoning

[north oracle]

A second icicle arrow inversion suggestion has hit #suggestions-discussion

[frail fox]

Best and worst suggestion ever

[crude geode]

it's been in my head for like a year

it might not make it to dev but I wanted to make it regardless

[lucid marsh]

The Excalibur equivalent summon could be the optic staff

[hollow idol]

thats what it used to be

[lucid marsh]

Why was it changed?

[hollow shell]

There's that one pair of Abyss accessories that are similar iirc

The amulets

Fairy Boots in Calamity too I think?

[distant gyro]

WE need this to hit 400 stars

[ripe owl]

why not just implement it?

[earnest raptor]

because we need to give end users an illusion of their feedback mattering

[errant dune]

You just like it because its astrum deus

[quaint carbon]

Nah the suggestion was for astrum aureus lol

[errant dune]

Fak

[keen zodiac]

another reason it should be renamed

[rancid wasp]

ill rename your momma

[boreal lichen]

holy shit its oguri cap

[quaint carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-oguri-cap-umamusume-uma-gif-15407094230313995300

[half imp]

hmm

we might need a rule about gfb suggestions

if the trend continues

[quaint carbon]

Yeah, not all gfb suggestions can be grape tier

[earnest raptor]

"If YuH doesn't approve of suggestion, it is invalid"

[half imp]

true...

[earnest raptor]

just like how donor item suggs need to be approved by donor

[tepid crown]

icicle arrow has been the only good gfb suggestion ive ever seen

[grim tusk]

Gfb suggestions are like trying to ferment something; they are either just spoiled and rotten OR are extremely good

[mystic sandal]

#suggestions-posting message
unironically top 3 suggestion ever

Do this right now

[dense locust]

the only one I've ever seen actually go anywhere was the one suggesting adding the lets go gambling soundbite to sevens striker

[grim tusk]

Idk why some images of Staphylococcus Aureus look purple

its golden

thats why its called Aureus

Nvm

it makes sense

since Staphylos is grapes

[polar bison]

Staphylococcus is little grapes 🥺

[obsidian nova]

Bro what are these arrows

[obsidian nova]

HELL YEAH

[dense locust]

cant wait for the brand new panic necklace + cross necklace tinker

[oblique birch]

I love vanilla reforge RNG it's such an awesome mechanic I love it so much

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-voting message Embed fail

[drowsy plank]

that is an awful idea

[lean surge]

Yeah idk that isn't great...

[drowsy plank]

it's a step ahead because the enemies have higher stats earlier on

if you give that to easier difficulties it just trivalizes easier enemies

[lean surge]

It's a trade off ya

[dense ferry]

Needlessly destructive of Vanilla's design and massively damaging to the existing balance.

[mossy pelican]

mods, send this guy to the shadow realm

[kind laurel]

What about making Master use Expert's system?

[drowsy plank]

why

[lean surge]

That would make more sense but it would still be weird

[drowsy plank]

also we already got rid of the fuckery with classic having expert mode items i dunno why you'd do this

[kind laurel]

Edited out Classic Mode being included but anything else I might as well delete it

[drowsy plank]

yeah

i mean this just isn't a very good idea and doesn't have very solid justification beyond consistency without actually considering the balance implications

id sooner let celestial onion work in master

[keen zodiac]

yeah what

[lean surge]

I'd sooner entirely delete onio

[drowsy plank]

ture

[kind laurel]

I was going to use the suggestions doc thing to not add more accessories because it pretty much said what I said about difficulty but it's gone now

[drowsy plank]

...wait huh

@hollow shell did we mean to remove "Suggestions to add more accessory slots" because the heading is still on the document even thought the body isn't

[hollow shell]

lol?

Lemme look

Aight there we go, purged that remnant

[tepid crown]

#suggestions-posting message
or just

a line in the tooltip

[mossy pelican]

Wait they arent identical

[tepid crown]

no they can stack

[drowsy plank]

i agree this should just be a tooltip

@echo leaf i feel like the above should be mentioned

anyway are you guys ready for the worst suggestion ever

[tepid crown]

what the fuck do you have planned

😨

[oblique birch]

OSC's tooltip should also mention that it doesn't stack with Stress Pill

Nucleo line and Gauntlet line do it to upgrades idk why OSC doesn't

[echo leaf]

fixed

[lean surge]

So basically just make celestial onion a Revengeance thing

[tepid crown]

@drowsy plank you should add a legend to ur image

[drowsy plank]

true

[drowsy plank]

yeah idk why the fuck u can get it in classic honestly it's kinda weird the more i thought about it

like that's actually strangely stepping in on vanilla balancing

i know cal adds a whole new leg of the game but like

that's what hardmode is to prehardmode??

so

yeah

[lean surge]

Yeah that would make sense

[drowsy plank]

this would also make sense with rev and master intending to be on the same tier, rather than expert, rev, master, and death all sharing the same number of slots because it just plateaus for some reason

[oblique birch]

this is gonna go hard if it pass

[drowsy plank]

i honestly kind of hope it does because it is weird how if calamity is trying to be less intrusive how they just. gave classic mode an extra accessory slot as if that isn't THE most intrusive thing a mod could do

[dense locust]

requires people to care about classic mode

[drowsy plank]

i mean we removed the changes from it that fab did

i dont see why celestial onion should be an exception to that

[indigo yacht]

it would be fun to have extra frog leg slots

i guess

[fossil finch]

may be a hot take but id just

id just make the master slot default instead of a master thing

its been 15 years it doesnt, it does not matter you can add a new default slot

well thats for vanilla to do not a suggestion for calamity

i think thats fine but i dont see rlly why celes onion should be exclusive to rev

like, sure, demon heart is exclusive to expert so its parity, okay, but like, the complexity of builds and bosses does meaningfully shoot up when you reach post ml

[drowsy plank]

and it doesnt between prehardmode and hardmode?

[fossil finch]

not really

Considering nearly all of hardmode was designed for classic w/5 slots

[tepid crown]

and all of expert hardmode was designed for 6 slots

[fossil finch]

i dont think any tester has meaningfully engaged with calamity on classic in sixty billion years so to be fair its hard to

[fossil finch]

expert is famously kinda barebones past hm with a couple exceptions

the main design change isnt even with hardmode giving you an slot but with eoc giving you a dash

[gaunt crystal]

the main change

isn't the extra slot

are you kidding me

[fossil finch]

yeah

like for boss design

[crude geode]

Dash is a much bigger change than one extra accessory slot

[fossil finch]

yeah

like it made people design bosses with it in mind

[crude geode]

In classic you get it in late hardmode, when you only have a few bosses left. You get it after the second boss in expert

[hollow shell]

(To be fair, they give Classic that slot when the vanilla game ends.)

(When the Calamity-exclusive game stage starts. Therefore, not really intruding on vanilla design.)

[crude geode]

Post ML does not exist in vanilla. They give you rod of harmony, it’s not really something that exists.

[indigo yacht]

lots of people play it, actually

and by lots i of course mean like probably less than 10% of the playerbase but that's still a large amount of people

there were a lot more than i expected when i first started playing calamity

[vocal wedge]

The weak must be purged. Remove accessory slots in Classic.

[crude geode]

The weak must be purged. Remove accessory slots in Malice.

[drowsy plank]

remove accessory slots

[crude geode]

I’m gonna sever the knot here and just say remove video games

[indigo yacht]

skipped to credits

[tepid crown]

the weak must be purged remove all difficulties

[crude geode]

running an any% speedrun here

[tepid crown]

and also remove special item drops in gfb, but keep all the bullshit bosses

[indigo yacht]

for the worthy;

[vocal wedge]

Remove Calamity. We can just be Mod.

[crude geode]

That’s a pizza place

[drowsy plank]

@heady creek please read the rules in the pins

[glad portal]

Just got the cosmic immaterializer and its worse than the summon I was already using. Considering it uses miracle matter I expected it to be better. It doesn't even look that good (compared to the modernised visuals of calamity)

[keen zodiac]

yeah it's shit

rework is planned Eventually

[glad portal]

thats good

[north oracle]

the suggestions economy has never been stronger

was everyone just waiting for brainstorm or SSO ig

[crude geode]

I believe so yes

[glass arch]

i hadnt played the game in months so theres that

[rancid lotus]

Should Calamity have custom achievements?

[vocal wedge]

It will.

They are planned.

[rancid lotus]

I see.

I hope they add an achievement for beating Yharim with Tyranny's End.

[kind laurel]

At least I can say I inspired something good, heh

[half imp]

Well you see

Pre boss slot - master
Post wof slot - expert
Post ML slot - Classic

It makes sense!

[indigo yacht]

pattern seeking brain

[dense locust]

except expert gets 2

[indigo yacht]

they mean the lowest difficulty you can get the extra slot in

preboss is only master
wof is expert and master
post ml is expert master and classic

[rancid lotus]

Pre-Game Slot - Legendary Death Mode 🧠

[half imp]

no no

Pre-install slot on legendary

[rancid lotus]

There's a special button on the menu that plays a duck sound but you can only unlock it by beating SCal/Permafrost on Legendary Death Mode.

[hollow shell]

Alright I need to mention this

The walking deceleration effect of Magiluminescense (Magi) is not replicated by any other accessory in the game and as a result I've had it in my loadout from Pre-Boss all the way until now, Post-DoG.
It's not so useful in aerial boss fights of course so I swap it out then, but for common activities like getting around my base I cannot live without it.

The thing is, the exact phrasing used in Magi's tooltip, "Increases movement acceleration and deceleration by X%",
is used in the tooltips for Statis' Ninja Belt and Statis' Void Sash
implying that they utilize the same deceleration effect.
In fact, Magi's is 1.75×, while Void Sash's is 1.85×,
so you would think it'd be better, you'd decelerate even faster than with Magi.

But this is not the case.

Letting go of the walk key with Void Sash on carries you significantly further than if you have Magi on.
(In fact I'm not sure Void Sash is doing anything at all in that department. Whether you have it on or off, it always takes a lil under 1 second to slow to a stop after letting go of the walk key, whereas with Magi it seems to be a lil under 0.5 seconds)
So Magi is still doing something unique with deceleration that even the accessories which claim to have its same effect are not replicating.

(The Statis belt accessories do affect acceleration, this much is very apparent. They do.
It's the walking deceleration that I'm concerned with.)

Not sure if this should be a suggestion or a bug report

[indigo yacht]

i don't know how exactly it works code-wise, but void sash (and ninja belt apparently) only even have code to change the players' run acceleration multiplier
this could be that it's supposed to affect deceleration too, but considering i can see numerous examples of specific deceleration variables existing, I'm not too sure

the easiest test would just be to see if you decelerate any faster than with no accessories on

[hollow shell]

That's what I was talking about with the a lil under 1 second thing

Void Sash doesn't seem to make you stop any quicker

[indigo yacht]

really falling into the "calamity players cant read" stereotype am i

[hollow shell]

It's okay I wrote a lot

[indigo yacht]

but anyways since the tooltip explicitly states it gives 1.85x deceleration and it very clearly does not I'd consider that an oversight

also funnily enough the wiki doesn't get this wrong it only lists acceleration

[drowsy plank]

im ngl this sounds like a bug lmao

[dense locust]

from what I understand magi was at one point going to go into ninja belt and by extension void sash
but evidently that got cut and I guess this is just the result

[hollow shell]

Did they forget to change the tooltip?

[dense locust]

I think so

[worn elk]

am I the only one that likes astrum aureus and astrum deus' names the way they are xd

[slow sluice]

Crispy is doing the real suggestions here.

[gaunt crystal]

@polar bison why must you keep cursing me with unsatable cravings

I really want grapes again

[idle dagger]

oh, did they not end up doing that?

bummer

[fleet grotto]

there's literally only 3 letters difference between them

astrum —eus

[worn elk]

yeah i dont mind that xd

besides they still sound different

[gilded citrus]

I just consider it not that creative

[obsidian nova]

1 in 22, huh?

[worn elk]

it feels like a deliberate thematic thing to me rather than uncreative imo

[copper reef]

terrible suggestion

i love spending 20 minutes rerolling everything to lucky

and when i get tired from hitting the same button and i miss lucky and i reforge over it

i jump in joy and cheer

[indigo yacht]

yaz understands

[worn elk]

doesn't calamity add something that makes it less random

[tepid crown]

it doesnt do anything to help with accessories

[hazy nacelle]

it was better until the lower tiers got reworked to be all sidegrades

[worn elk]

is that because most weapons have an objective best modifier?

as opposed to accessories

[hazy nacelle]

it's exactly that

[tepid crown]

yes thats exactly how calamitys reforge system works

things cant go down a tier

[hazy nacelle]

all weapons except summoner minions and sentries can only end up with a single reforge after clicking enough times (the summoner weapons can do mythical or ruthless at random)

[tepid crown]

yea ruthless is considered the same tier as mythical specifically for minions and sentry

[hazy nacelle]

and even that will be changing in 1.4.5

[tepid crown]

it wont most likely

ruthless is better for the single minion weapons

like dragon and desert tiger

[hazy nacelle]

maaayybe

but that just means we should have a way to get any reforge when wanted

[tepid crown]

not maybe it just is, ap and tag damage are flat buffs, which is not what those summons need

the 3% from ruthless is more than the 8 or so damage ap/tag gives

[drowsy plank]

@viral pivot prismatic breaker and also this doesn't really have reasoning beyond "it would be cool"

which also is not true, prismatic breaker sucks and you only use the melee damage because it benefits from melee speed while the ranged damage doesn't

[lean surge]

I think a good way to fix that would be an argument for synergy with multiclass armor sets

[drowsy plank]

i just dont really see a point to it

at that point the weapon might as well just be typeless

[half imp]

They should both get melee speed

[lean surge]

Me neither, like it would be cool but I think it should be smth that can be considered on a case by case basis

[half imp]

At least in 2.1

I don't know how it worked before

But with 2.1 if either gets melee speed they both should I'm pretty sure

[drowsy plank]

yeah but ranged accessories dont have melee speed bonuses is the bigger issue

[lean surge]

Like, when the devs make a weapon and it feels like it should have 2 damage types, then do it

[drowsy plank]

so one just has a bigger damage modifier typically

[half imp]

You can use both melee and ranger accessories

[lean surge]

But don't add a new weapon for the sake of having a weapon with 2 damage types

[half imp]

It isn't a "which is higher"

It combines both

iirc

[lean surge]

What weapons are unaffected by melee speed currently

That are melee ofc

[half imp]

a lot

Well

Depends how you define unaffected

[hazy nacelle]

"unaffected" weapons get more range

but are there any that are actually unaffected

[lean surge]

Let's say that melee speed means increased hitrate

[half imp]

there's affected as in "fires more often" or affected as in "gets more velocity"

In terms of hitrate? A lot

[lean surge]

Yeah and some are kinda both

Spears, to my knowledge, are used more quickly because of the velocity increase?

[half imp]

No

[hazy nacelle]

it just hits farther in the same time

[half imp]

Either tmod or cal makes spears actually get used faster with melee speed

In vanilla, they only get more velocity which means more range

[lean surge]

That's odd

[hazy nacelle]

yoyos literally just get more range

[lean surge]

A standardization of melee speed could be helpeful

[half imp]

Stuff like Vamp Knife and Daybreak also get more range

Through velocity

[lean surge]

Or things where it's a case by case basis

It would also be cool if melee speed reduced charge times for weapons, tho that could alr be the case

Or just use time in general.

[obsidian nova]

(Seriously though, is the new reforge system any different from vanilla? )

[earnest raptor]

probably not

since all accessories are same tier

therefore it is just a random item from list

[half imp]

Yeah

I think that's true

[earnest raptor]

honestly, I feel like introducing "I want this reforge specifically" just for accessories would look... bandaid?

[indigo yacht]

I'm pretty sure the idea would be just not repeat reforges until you've gotten them all

would suck for accidentally skipping over the one you wanted but would make actually get it a lot easier

[earnest raptor]

it's a cool idea... but reinforces the meta choices, in a way

because you would have to be pay more for certain reforges

[indigo yacht]

ok literally how

how is that different from what calamity already does

you can't get any lower tier reforges after- actually scratch that I don't think you can get lower tier reforges at all

[tepid crown]

for accessories the concept of lower tier reforges dont exist

theyre all high tier

[worthy lintel]

reforges are cring

remove them all

[humble scarab]

i agree

[small bramble]

I feel like classic players should be thrown a bone - it'd be kinda hellish trying to make do with 5 slots in endgame calamity compared to endgame vanilla. But I do like the idea of the celestial onion working in master even if I think the devs have said they don't want an 8th slot

[drowsy plank]

that was removed from the suggestions document so if they dont want it then this will be a great time for them to put it back on the document

[small bramble]

Ooh interesting didn't know it got taken off

[drowsy plank]

which is honestly part of why i suggested this in the first place on top of actually agreeing with it and the previous suggestion

yeah

[mossy pelican]

I think classic players should be taken out behind the shed

[drowsy plank]

if this gets rejected immediately again because devs dont want an 8th slot then we can finally just put it back up instead of pretending it could somehow pass

also classic is super ultimate baby mode they'll be fine

imo if classic post-ML is so hard it needs a sixth slot idk why that stops applying on harder difficulties

hence why i suggest just making it. actually tied to difficulty

[half imp]

We removed it mostly because it wasn't an important rule to be there

If it becomes a common suggestion again then it'll go back

[small bramble]

For me I'm less concerned about difficulty and more about the fun factor honestly lol. When you have so many acc slots and options it would kinda suck to be 2 slots behind expert instead of just 1

[half imp]

Well, common and rejected

[half imp]

I agree

[glass arch]

theres also the part where classic players can switch to expert on a dime and grab the extra slot from wof when they hit post moon lord

[half imp]

no

Expert slot disables on classic

[glass arch]

it does?

[half imp]

yea

[drowsy plank]

all slots higher than base do other than onion rn i believe

[half imp]

I personally think the best solution is just

[glass arch]

thats cringe

[half imp]

Make onion work on all difficulties

[glass arch]

yeah just make onion work on all difficulties

[drowsy plank]

if that ends up happening you can just lock the suggestion instead

point is that it's weirdly inconsistent

[half imp]

ywa

Yea

[small bramble]

Onion in master mode always does give me like. A sad little feeling lol. Like in expert it feels more satisfying even though I'm really just hitting the same slot count I would have had in master

[half imp]

I'm not saying anything is wrong with the suggestion itself but that I don't think personally it's the right solution

[drowsy plank]

unsurprisingly, 1k characters doesn't allow a ton of nuance, so i just picked an option that i figured would get people talking and get it re-evaluated

of course

i think the arguement is fair as long as the inconsistency is also addressed

[indigo yacht]

more accessory slots does equal more fun which is the main reason i like onion being available on master or death

[drowsy plank]

i do think rev+ onion just sounds cool but i understand still wanting the extra slot in classic too

[indigo yacht]

i don't think you need it at all

[half imp]

Yeah

[indigo yacht]

but it would be fun

[half imp]

Yeah I agree

I think being able to do more combos is more fun

[indigo yacht]

plus i can equip even more frog legs at once

railgun v3...

[small bramble]

32% crit chance/damage, 4 hp/sec... so peam

Guess there's a lot of balancing issues that get introduced with an 8th but it would be sick

[indigo yacht]

you might actually have to do a little counterbalancing and make the bosses a tiny bit tougher to compensate

[indigo yacht]

i don't think it's actually that much just bc like
yeah you can deal some more damage or get some more defense but if you're already rocking full defensive/offensive accessories then you'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel (which are still good but not as potent)

[drowsy plank]

i feel like death is going to get rebalanced a lot to differentiate itself from master and rev anyway, so best to get this in early rather than later once it's more concrete

[indigo yacht]

the main thing would be for builds that werent at an extreme

[indigo yacht]

yeah good point

[small bramble]

Fair yeah - though I know in like post-dog stage there's a lot of souped up strong everything accs - but yeah if you're minmaxing you'll get less benefit

[drowsy plank]

this is because post-dog is a bad tier

[indigo yacht]

teehee

[small bramble]

I LOVE post dog even if it's bloated lmao

[indigo yacht]

me and my 56 defense vs death mode dog

[craggy girder]

?

where are you get 56 def

[indigo yacht]

what

[craggy girder]

where are you getting 56 def

are you not using warding

[glass arch]

why would i

[craggy girder]

because its effective ?

me like no die?

[dense locust]

I'm more interested in what armor they're using
full omega blue is 69 defense on its own so unless theres some oddly specific collection of items that gets you to exactly 56 defense when using everclear

stardust + ironskin + t3 food + aegis is 55 and idk where you'd get exactly 1 defense from

[craggy girder]

yeah the best i could think is uuh

why not t2

[gilded citrus]

Shackle

[dense locust]

shackle gives 3

[craggy girder]

doesnt that give 3

[gilded citrus]

Ph

[craggy girder]

hard gives 5 defense so not that

[glass arch]

everclear

[craggy girder]

could they have some brittle star staves lol????

[glass arch]

reduces defense by 30%

[dense locust]

I think crown jewel gives exactly 1 defense but like you would just upgrade it

[dense locust]

I am aware

[craggy girder]

does infected jewel?

[dense locust]

jewel is like 4 I think

[glass arch]

it has 4

[craggy girder]

hrmm

[dense locust]

you would need exactly 80 defense for everclear to make you hit 56

[craggy girder]

what if they dont have t3 food and they instead have a brittle star staff or two

does that equal fiddy six

[dense locust]

so like
omega blue + ironskin + t2 food?

[dense locust]

1 brittle star is equal to t3 food buff

in terms of defense

[craggy girder]

hot damn

i thought food was +1 for each scaling stack

[dense locust]

which is oddly specific
theres a chance rounding makes 81 also go to 56 so maybe its t3 food

fuck it locking it in omega blue + ironskin + t3 food + everclear @indigo yacht

[indigo yacht]

take a guess

I'm mage, it's not anything complicated

[dense locust]

I already did

[indigo yacht]

hallowed

I'm actually not sure what the extra defense is from

i think i had warding

[obsidian nova]

Damn, you must really like that hallowed dodge rev buff from brainstorm

[tardy geyser]

It wasnt buffed though

The buff just refreshes itself whenever you hit something, so the increase from 6 to 10 seconds is meaningless

Wait it would matter a little for clone. Regardless hallowed was already insane before 2.1

[indigo yacht]

what buff

[dense locust]

6 sec duration -> 10

aka not relavent outside of clone and scal

[indigo yacht]

buff is a strong word

hallowed is simply goated

[dense locust]

its true

hallowed is the goat of not giving a damn about stats

[indigo yacht]

and the stats aren't even bad they're pleasantly mediocre

[distant gyro]

im honestly a little surprised dodge is still sought after despite sweeping damage nerfs

i thought mitigation or regen was gonna sweepingly take over

[surreal pebble]

I still use warding tbh. I don't even get hit all that often anymore it's just the best option.

I realized I'm just stupid

[distant gyro]

warding is part of mitigation, yes

[surreal pebble]

Hence the stupid part

[lucid marsh]

Why would it? I use every defensive thing available, both dodges and defense

Well, most, not all

[distant gyro]

because if you can reduce something to make it kill you in 50 hits or in 30 hits but you have dodge every 5 of those hits

then one is clearly better than the other

[lucid marsh]

Dodges are effectively 17% damage reduction

Well. With a cooldown I guess

[surreal pebble]

So is worm scarf

[lucid marsh]

So I guess they're actually way less huh

[distant gyro]

the more defense you rack up the more unkillable you become pretty much

[surreal pebble]

Defense for the small hits Dr for the big ones

[lucid marsh]

What's the damage reduction equivalent of defense?

[surreal pebble]

What?

[distant gyro]

going from taking 50/400 damage (8 hit kill) to 20/400 (20 hit kill) is damn massive

[lucid marsh]

I meant how much defense roughly is damage reduction worth

[echo leaf]

Also the less damage you take the easier it is to recover from them using regen

[lucid marsh]

Also I don't think that's a good measurement because against endgame bosses I'm like a 3 hit kill at best

Even with maximum defense

[echo leaf]

So going from taking 50 to taking 20 is a bigger difference than mentioned

[lucid marsh]

I'm really bad at dodging fast moving big things, like DoG's head

So dodging a hit from it, going from a 2 hit kill to a 3 hit kill, is great

[echo leaf]

At that stage in the game, regen is so extremely strong courtesy of Auric Tesla, Fearmonger and Bloodflare that you can recover from all these hugemungous hits

[lucid marsh]

Personally I can't but only because I'm so bad at dodging

I basically had to cheat for DoG by giving myself slightly better stuff than I should have

[grave zinc]

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[craggy girder]

oh cool

[craggy girder]

oh cool

[surreal pebble]

For every 25 defense you reduce damage by 20.
For damage reduction it genuinely depends on the hit. If it's 5 damage. 5 defense drops it down to one you'd need 80 damage reduction (assuming no defense also it gets less effective the more you have). 500 damage than you need way more defense way less dr

[lucid marsh]

90% of the time I'm worried about the big hits

[surreal pebble]

So you want warding

[lucid marsh]

+4 defense and +1 DR

[surreal pebble]

Yep

[lucid marsh]

I guess that checks out

The DR adds up

[surreal pebble]

Yep

[lucid marsh]

(it is additive right?)

Next time I'll try DR maxxing

[surreal pebble]

Ehhhhh kinda sorta not really

[lucid marsh]

I wonder what the most I can get is

[distant gyro]

dr is additive but then it goes into a cyrve

[lucid marsh]

Not on melee anyways

[surreal pebble]

You'll cap out at like 40

[half imp]

Dodge means more adrenaline and not resetting natural regen

[lucid marsh]

Dodge is also still pretty good

Which things give damage reduction again?

Besides warding and that potion

[distant gyro]

i think the dr page has been updated for 2.1 sources

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Damage_reduction#List_of_Damage_Reduction_Boosts

[humble tulip]

Hello, may I ask on how do you use buffs from other mods (for example i want my weapon to inflict the plague debuff from calamity)? is there's any info about it?

[humble tulip]

I've been following the github tutorials to get by, and figured out how to get moditem and modtile (basically copying it) but I cant get modbuff to work ;-;

[past viper]

It should be Plague.Type instead of just Plague, since AddBuff takes in the buff id as an integer

That said, this does not belong in this channel at all as far as im aware

[humble tulip]

thank you so much!

[humble tulip]

well I just saw some people talking about coding thing in this channel so I thought this is the one .-.

[past viper]

Not in general, this channel is for discussing posts from the other two suggestion channels and/or ideas or problems that don't relate to bugs/balance

[humble tulip]

alright, I apologize.

[humble scarab]

its usually best to ask in tmod server when it comes to modding but if its cal, you can ask in #help-advice-read-pins

[humble tulip]

okay then next time I'll ask there, thank you for your attention

[indigo yacht]

it's not quite that straightforward, dodge stacking allows you to pretty much ignore defense (though getting more defense is still nice for lowering the cooldown on the calamity dodge) and you can focus entirely on damage without losing out on much

of course if you're still using hallowed armor later in the game then you are losing out on a fair bit of damagae

but uhhh also it's fun

[indigo yacht]

500000 stars inbound

[humble scarab]

maybe its an oversight which would be better in #1052323733961977947 ?

[drowsy plank]

@buoyant tangle this might get done faster as a Visual Oversight bug report

actually no yeah

this is a visual oversight

not a suggestion

[buoyant tangle]

oh is it? i did not know there was a big difference

[half imp]

is this even an oversight

It's kinda just the sprite

You can't have something with an 1 pixel center not offset on one side or the other when blocks are 8x8

[hazy nacelle]

it's effectively asking for it to be resprited

[drowsy plank]

oh true
the lines in the screenshot seemed to make it seem like it was just offset

[hollow shell]

Yeah if it was shifted by one pixel it would be equally offset in the opposite direction

[tiny minnow]

It’s like a Hummer Team sprite.

[buoyant tangle]

it is the sprite itself that's offset yeah. i was gonna do a custom astral beacon build but the moment i saw that i peaced out (its a nonissue really bad but it upsets me in particular. calamity devs should be ASHAMED /j)

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message On one hand I imagine this could be a mess to balance since all of the dmode hp is gonna need to get buffed

On the other hand having 1 more accessory slot would lead to many accessory synnergies

[half imp]

nah dmode HP would not have to be changed

It would be fine

[craggy girder]

see theres a sweet spot per stage in the game where giving them more accessories is better

ergo i suggest having 10 accessories by the post yharon tier

[glass arch]

congrats in your attempt to hit the sweet spot you added 2 pounds of sugar to a hamburger with nothing else

[grim tusk]

excellent

truly excellent

[craggy girder]

yes!

a new flavor in my burger!

[indigo yacht]

main argument in favor of more slots is literally just "it would be fun"

[tepid crown]

ok but consider

it would also be funny