suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

8-3 made me forget the heartcatcher needed to be punched in the one spot with the three spinning rooms and I spent like 5 minutes there just killing the enemies and wondering why it wouldn’t die
10/10 level

[worthy lintel]

anyways, ill have to be the rusted nail in the boot and end the convo because we huh

slightly misused the channel

[crude geode]

Slightly

[worthy lintel]

hi future sugg posters

[craggy girder]

Damn You Nail.

[dense ferry]

I did it at 2am

Skill issue

[crude geode]

True

[craggy girder]

okay well you probably have better time management and self satistifaction

i was doing it bc my internet was out

[dense ferry]

No I don't

[polar bison]

Guys read my awesome and controversal suggestion

[craggy girder]

yes you 100% do i have college assignments GONE (as in due dates)

[crude geode]

Very controversial sugg indeed

[dense ferry]

Bitch

I don't even do my assignements

[lucid marsh]

I haven't played ultrakill but I followed the lore and like

[craggy girder]

im not in the mood for this .

[lucid marsh]

We know what god looks like now

[hollow shell]

was "Hardened Hardened" intentional @polar bison

[craggy girder]

we vaguely know what he looks like

[polar bison]

No

[glass arch]

its funnier if its left in

[polar bison]

Yknow what yes it is

Make that sand harder

[crude geode]

What

[worthy lintel]

extremely dense sulfur sand (noita material)

[crude geode]

I’m not about get off topic shitposting on noita
This sugg will get like 200 stars or something

I still am not sure how to feel about the laudanaun suggestion

[polar bison]

I was updating the gif on the wiki for the any sand recipe group because it hadn't been updated since 2023 and hell was missing the hardened evil sands when I was bewildered as to why hardened sulphsand was missing

only to realise it

wasnt sand

[crude geode]

Cuz like it and occult skull crown certainly exist

I’m certain someone’s used the latter but like does that really justify its existence?

[lucid marsh]

My suggestion gives the best of both worlds

The Laudanum is gone, but it's effect, which is marginally more interesting than the ankh shield, is kept and put on said ankh shield

[worthy lintel]

occult skull crown and laudanum made the mistake of not dying with the stress mechanic

and while i do think darkest dungeon is excessively based and warrants references in many medias as possible, it just aint it

[crude geode]

Trueeeee

Give us the occultist’s skull as a mage weapon

Or whatever he holds to spell cast

[worthy lintel]

polter already drops a skull weapon

🥀

ghastly something

[crude geode]

[hollow shell]

Laudanum is a cool idea, maybe even very cool
But I don't really know ... how to use it
Or how useful it is
Cuz debuffs to me feel too inconsistent? For you to capitalize on the benfits

Like it's effectively just immunity but you get some bonus stats sometimes

[glass arch]

the answer is not very useful

[hollow shell]

Hey would it be better if getting hit by a something that would have given you a debuff instead stores the respective benefit for you to cash out when it would be useful to you

Or would that harm the core fun idea of it too much

[tepid crown]

you can uhhh

[crude geode]

I feel like I’ve never seen anyone use heart of darkness or stress pills literally ever

[glass arch]

ideally just remove it

[tepid crown]

capitalise on suffocation and also whatever boc inflicts like ichor n stuff i think

[glass arch]

ive used stress pills

[craggy girder]

what does hod and sp do

[tepid crown]

and thats basically it

[worthy lintel]

stress pills atleast have an actual use

[hollow shell]

Stress Pills sound really good though
Adrenaline fills 20% faster

[glass arch]

rage doesnt go away and it gens outside of combat
increased adren regen rate

[craggy girder]

hm

[tepid crown]

stress pills are really good but also

adrenaline

[craggy girder]

whats the point of hod then though

ah yes i need damage when im notfighting

[worthy lintel]

rage is too weak sauce to sacrifice an acc slot that does nothing but fill it

[tepid crown]

not many people are going to be able to capitalise on adrenaline

[crude geode]

^

[tepid crown]

it gives you a reliable source of rage regardless of how close you are to an enemy

[hollow shell]

I mean I'm a scrub and I still sometimes get adren in repeated boss attempts

[lucid marsh]

That would be really broken under certain circumstances

[craggy girder]

i think (me. i think.) itd be cool if stress pills made adrenaline losses halved

[worthy lintel]

yeah huh that used to be its old effect

[tame vigil]

#suggestions-posting message this was dev plans, or at least my dev plans for a while

[hollow shell]

That's already an effect on some shield accessories isn't it

[craggy girder]

yeah on all shields if it entirely takes teh damage the adren is halved

[lucid marsh]

Alright, consider this:

[hollow shell]

Sorry by "shield" I mean bonus health not like Cobalt Shield and its kin

[glass arch]

used to be much more interactive with the stress mechanic

[tepid crown]

yes but only if it doesnt break iirc

[tame vigil]

it was scrapped because i tried to shove 5000 different effects into rampart of deities

i need to revisit this concept, i probably still want to do it but it needs to be talked more with the team than just "hey i'm doing this now"

[lucid marsh]

Ankh Shield can't be removed. It's a vanilla item. There are currently no plans to give it upgrades, but some people have been thinking about doing so.
Ankh Shield's effects could be replaced by something slightly more interesting which already exists
Laudanum doesn't really justify itself on its own

[lucid marsh]

Oh? Cool

[glass arch]

and then for a while it just buffed rage more

basically a permanent 10% damage buff or something

[worthy lintel]

anger hardens the heart

[polar bison]

There have been some spoken plans to go deeper fwir

[lucid marsh]

Yeah I'd be pretty happy if it was implemented, and even happier if every debuff in the game had a bonus of some kind from it

[tame vigil]

you survived a heart attack

[polar bison]

With the Astral Bulwark rework

or remake

moreso

[tame vigil]

yes hi that was me

[glass arch]

every debuff jesus christ man

[polar bison]

Yes yes Sunny I'm glad you're here for this

[glass arch]

thats just a debuff immunity accessory to Literally Everything

[lucid marsh]

Well ok not every debuff but like most of them

[polar bison]

Providence watching as I walk through holy inferno and escape her fight

[worthy lintel]

we can save laudanum by making it work against miracle blight and vuln hex

[lucid marsh]

It would also be good if bosses inflicted insignificant shitter debuffs that the Laudanum and purity effects could take advantage of

[tame vigil]

like i said it tried to shove literally everything into rampart and it just did not work. oh hey it gives extra iframes. but also it's anhk shield/laudanum. but also it's a parry. but also it's a- you get the pont.

[lucid marsh]

Maybe it can give resistance instead of immunity?

[polar bison]

Auric armor if it was an acc

[tepid crown]

just give it charm of myths back smh

[crude geode]

[worthy lintel]

resistances are already covered as a niche by the dew line though

[hollow shell]

Laudanum notably only affects non-DoTs

[lucid marsh]

Do any bosses inflict non DoTs besides vulnerability hex

Like literally any of them at all

[tame vigil]

weak petrification 🔥

[worthy lintel]

aside from the cookie cutter flight time reduction

huh

huhhhhhhh

[hollow shell]

Expert+ BoC and Skeletron and Eater of Worlds...

[lucid marsh]

See? This is my point

[crude geode]

Does DoG still have the weird changing debuff

[polar bison]

Golem and Rav hit you with Armor Crunch

[tame vigil]

you wanna know why? because everyone was using anhk shield

[glass arch]

yeah

[polar bison]

Wait! All bosses inflict a non dot debuff!

[lucid marsh]

Laudanum doesn't suck because the effect sucks, it sucks because debuffs literally do not exist for 99% of your playthrough

[hollow shell]

It covers Whispering Death which is inflicted by Signus and DoG (afaik)

[polar bison]

Boss Effects

[worthy lintel]

boss zerg

[crude geode]

[lucid marsh]

This is no longer true because Asgardian aegis was taken out back and shot, so you can reevaluate this

[glass arch]

another thing to realize is that a lot of dot debuffs arent exclusively dot

[polar bison]

Make leviathan inflict fish alert cuz shes a fish thats alert

[tame vigil]

true. every boss now inflicts silenced.

[crude geode]

[dense ferry]

No

Just Cursed

[crude geode]

True

[dense ferry]

Fuck Mage specifically

[lucid marsh]

Hell, I found myself using shield of the high ruler for the various non debuff effects now that Asgard is dead

[hollow shell]

One of the best changes

[tame vigil]

laura silenced is the mage version

[crude geode]

I think you have them swapped

[dense ferry]

I'm a dumbass

[worthy lintel]

hi a dumbass im spider

[tepid crown]

that you are

[crude geode]

lul

[lucid marsh]

Asgardian aegis is now absolute garbage for everything except specifically DoG only

[hollow shell]

rude

[glass arch]

me when im wrong

[worthy lintel]

nah rams are still incredible value

[hollow shell]

It is funny that SotHR still has the Ankh Shield effect despite not requiring Ankh

[lucid marsh]

Seriously it is practically mandatory for DoG and it's worthless otherwise

[crude geode]

^

[tame vigil]

me when donor item

[lucid marsh]

It's not like. Unusable

[tepid crown]

its not

[lucid marsh]

But the ram isn't worth giving up a slot

[tame vigil]

it also still gives max health i think which is another old holdout from asgard's

[glass arch]

the ram is worth giving up a slot actually

[lucid marsh]

Tbf I am really bad at DoG

Hardest boss in the mod for me

By far

[hollow shell]

ay Balance is still up to the devs after a donor thing gets in
The important part of it is being a later-game bonk shield

[tame vigil]

true. it now inflicts silenced.

[glass arch]

,to the enemy??

[tame vigil]

scal is a mage, so if you hit her it turns off her projectiles.

[tepid crown]

dang

[lucid marsh]

Exos ate a close second, astrum aureus is third. Everything else is way easier

[crude geode]

Trueeee

[hollow shell]

(High Ruler actually really good when combined with Leviathan Ambergris
Mashing the dash hotkey up against a boss deals more DPS than most of my weapons)

[tepid crown]

yea its funny

[lucid marsh]

Ooh I should try that next melee playthrough

[tame vigil]

did you do old fashioned/IV drip for maximum bonk damage?

[tepid crown]

especially with iv drip on the rocks existing now

[hollow shell]

I did not!

I'm still pre-Moon Lord it's not too late for me to try

A shame that Moon Lord isn't... good, to bonk against

[tepid crown]

difficult doesnt mean impossible...

[hollow shell]

me when 1-frame-instant-velocity player-aimed projectile attack sourced from the thing I'm trying to deal contact damage to

[crude geode]

I love Moon Lord he’s such a boss fight

[tepid crown]

he is indeed a boss fight within a video game

[hollow shell]

I NEVER KNEW THIS EITHER

Vanilla did shitass predictive aiming attacks before Fabsol??

[glass arch]

yea

[worthy lintel]

i knew it since release of 1.3 but it never bothered me because i spent all the fight running away lmao

so they just miss 95% of the time

[craggy girder]

moon lord is 100% a boss that can be fought at a time period

[oblique birch]

This is like only relevant when you try to kiss his eyes with your true melee weapons and you realize it's so fucking ass

😭

Not rungodding for once and the fight instantly becomes more glorpshit

[crude geode]

Is rungodding the only way to play calamity? Experts discuss

[glass arch]

nope theres a better strat

[hollow shell]

doesn't elaborate

[oblique birch]

Chad

[glass arch]

oh i thought we were all experts here

sorry

to elaborate

⭕

[hollow shell]

Circle strats aren't even strats that's just how you are forced to play some bosses (looking at you minigun Plantera)

[crude geode]

^

[hollow shell]

((I like minigun Plantera it's fun))

[glass arch]

i circle strat every boss even ones i dont have to and when i dont have to it still works very well

[crude geode]

Ghost Plantera also does this

iirc

[glass arch]

frankly i remember nothing about blue plantera except the phase 3 wiggles for free damage

[hollow shell]

Polter slander in the chat

[glass arch]

as god intended

[dense locust]

deserved

[crude geode]

It’s been like 5 years and it’s still just plantera 2

[hollow shell]

m

[hot bison]

yo gng

where can i find

[hollow shell]

shoutouts to Folivine de la GRealm mod for being a Plantera clone that copies 0% of its behavior (because it was coded based on trailer footage before 1.2 released)

[hot bison]

cal sprites

for entites

[hollow shell]

The source code is public, which includes all the sprite files
https://github.com/CalamityTeam/CalamityModPublic/

[crude geode]

That’s fucking hilarious

Byeah Polter might honestly be the most out of date boss. Definitely competes with Signuts at least

[hollow shell]

I mean

[glass arch]

polter is the most out of date boss because at least signus copies ai from a 1.3 enemy

[hollow shell]

Calamitas Clone looks very pretty now
But its core behavior is still disappointingly recognizable

[crude geode]

I forget Clonelamitas exists

Cuz all of the ideas for reworks that have been tossed around are so cool

[glass arch]

calclone at least has the border now

so while the base ai is just retinazer there is a change in how you fight it

[crude geode]

But it’s still just this fuckass eye that’s a retinazer copy

[hot bison]

will devs

instantly say "fuck you"

[glass arch]

yes

[hot bison]

if i suggest bigger terrariums

[dense ferry]

Fuck you

[hot bison]

like u place several ones near

[hot bison]

ok bro

🖊️

[dense ferry]

Jokes aside no

[hot bison]

so i can make

suggestion with 2x3 terrariums

[crude geode]

But this does sound like spriter hell

[hot bison]

and stuff

[hot bison]

i js made shroomble terrarium bro

[hollow shell]

as in 2x3 blocks or as in the size of 6 Terrariums put together?

[hot bison]

i will do it

[hot bison]

2x3 terrariums

like

[hollow shell]

Huh.
What for, may I ask

[hot bison]

i got sizes wrong again i think

[hot bison]

more than 1 shroomble

coz leaving him all by himself is cruel

@hollow shell check ur dms, i cant send media coz warned

[lucid marsh]

Cal clone is one of my favorite bosses

It doesn't have to be complex or super unique to be fun

[willow widget]

peak sugg tbh

[ripe owl]

how are we feeling about a suggestion to rename photosynthesis potion

[distant gyro]

retheme most likely

[ripe owl]

yeah that'd be better considering how it's a completely different potion from what it was prior to rework

[plush flame]

well it increases how much life hearts heal

its some kind of

life force potion

[ripe owl]

do not say that again

[distant gyro]

was hardly photosynthesis related in the first place but its even less so now

[ripe owl]

Vitality Potio- wait I am having flashbacks

[distant gyro]

ooh

[ripe owl]

no I'm thinking of a wrong thing

Revivify, that's what I was thinking of

[misty lichen]

am i allowed to do a remove photosynthesis potion

[ripe owl]

I cast a disallowance spell on you specifically for this one thing

[lucid marsh]

Photosynthesis potions are so dumb

They used for boost life Regen on the surface during day and now they... Make hearts heal a little more???

[ripe owl]

again, that's why Altix is bringing up retheming

[misty lichen]

i would’ve mentioned that their niche is making hearts better, but heartreach already does that

[gaunt crystal]

Istg if most of calamity's unique potions get removed or nerfed into the floor I will be very annoyed

[idle dagger]

got home from work and this combo of suggestions made me audibly laugh

[ripe owl]

this makes me audibly boohoo honestly

I want this to live

not to die in a ditch for nothing

[lucid marsh]

Well lots of other things died in a ditch that I liked so

Actually I can't remember what did but I just know SOMETHING did

[hollow shell]

Hearts healing more is a cool effect though! D:

Is there anything else in the game that does that?

[ripe owl]

come to think of it

not really

[oblique birch]

yeah I don't think so

[plush flame]

i dont think ive ever seen anything that affects the strength of pickups no

[frosty geyser]

Hey guys,
Has anyone made a pull request to the mod repository?
How long does it usually take to review it?
I'm afraid they'll just ignore my fix 🤡

[ripe owl]

wrong channel
the devs review the PRs when they have time to, no need to pressure them

[frosty geyser]

Ok

[half imp]

It won't be ignored

I'll be gotten around to when there's time

[kind laurel]

So Exoblade is intented to stretch like that?
I thought it was just "too many sprites would have to be made so we'll just stretch this one"

[frosty geyser]

thx

[hot bison]

is it fine if i ask someone else

to post my suggestion

since i have no media perms

[oblique birch]

Exoblade's stretch could definitely be improved

[hot bison]

@frail mantle is it okay to do?

[indigo yacht]

remove everything niche from the game

[quaint carbon]

Where the hell are you working 😭 that timeframe looks like a nightmare

[keen zodiac]

coldheart icicle

[half imp]

No, it even has custom sprite used for the stretch

[fleet grotto]

repost

[keen zodiac]

aureus could definitely use a rename

perhaps give it a designation like the other mechs
AM-05: Aureus or something

[golden sonnet]

I don't think a rename would hurt, but like. We have queen slime and queen bee. People need to just read

[gilded citrus]

Those are also bosses in two seperate biomes and progression stages

[keen zodiac]

it still feels weird for the only 2 bosses of a biome to have basically the same name when they're not related at all

yeah

[indigo yacht]

queen is also a title so the vast majority of people aren't going to refer to the boss by just the title

whereas astrum is like... latin word

[drowsy plank]

is it really that hard to just say aureus or deus

[fossil finch]

wed wager most people already say aureus or deus

[drowsy plank]

like i personally want them to be differentiated more but i do not think this is a real problem

[fossil finch]

weve never seen anyone refer to either as "astrum"

[indigo yacht]

new players don't

[drowsy plank]

what fuckin new players are you talking to

like ender said ive literally never seen someone call either boss "astrum"

[fossil finch]

like this is a very minor First Time Ever Playing Calamity Only Vaguely Know About It from Vague Whispers on the Wind thing

[indigo yacht]

I've seen a worrying amount of people say it, but anyways the point isn't that people call them astrum but rather mix the bosses up

[drowsy plank]

can you link some examples

if they're in this server

[kindred creek]

Have you guys considered adding and downvote system to the suggestions? The reason I ask is because it only expressed how many people saw a suggestions and like it, not how many people disliked it. For instance, if 2000 people saw a suggestion and 150 voted yes, that’s very different than if 1000 people saw a suggestion and 150 people voted yes.

I’m curious if I can suggest a server change in the suggestions?

[keen zodiac]

server changes go to modmail

[kindred creek]

Where can I find that?

[keen zodiac]

it's a bot that you dm

in the sidebar probably

[quaint carbon]

I was about to take a nap bruh I don’t wanna do another modmail thread rn 😔

[keen zodiac]

someone else will if you don't

[tawdry trout]

you even unlock him with the shematics now, peak idea

-# maybe do it with plaugebringer too lol

[drowsy plank]

@trim dove your suggestion got blocked for spam but also whips are already planned

there is no rush to add them because summoner balancing needs to be done before more summoner gear especially whips could be added

[trim dove]

Okay!

Aight.

[obsidian nova]

It's already done actually

[craggy girder]

Ooooughhhh i gotta buy Crypto....................... from Calamity Mod

mr Beast made Money

[sleek turret]

mr breast give me a beastillion dollars

[craggy girder]

hooray its Gone

ms leaf give me cool armor so i can kill a worm please

[idle dagger]

I work at a nightclub so I usually get home at 5:00-5:30 am

[craggy girder]

oh and on the suggestion of renaming either deus or aureus, i think renaming aureus to fit with the other draedon stuff (with proper shorthand or whatever its called) would be fitting

cause then Astrum Deus could be "Space God" (like meant to be) while aureus could be the proper failed reconnaissance drone

(at least i think its a failed one)

[tawdry trout]

-# i mean the name change

[remote dune]

man just realized with the photosynthesis potion thing, it really has nothing to do with photosynthesis anymore lol
yeah i guess they should remove it

[novel belfry]

id definely prefer aureus to be renamed over deus

[vocal wedge]

It worked fine, until the space got it.

Space comes for us all.

[craggy girder]

The Space...

The Blight.........

[vocal wedge]

Anyway, if I must, Deus should be renamed so people stop thinking it's a god.

[craggy girder]

i mean isnt it akin to a god

[remote dune]

it is considered a god by people in the story, just not a proper god that consumed a dragon soul

[vocal wedge]

Not really.

[craggy girder]

its not close to an Auric God but it is a very powerful creature that some may call God-Like

[vocal wedge]

There is no such thing as an 'Auric God'.

[craggy girder]

(also doesnt it lore item say it holds no association with the dragons)

[vocal wedge]

Yes, because it's not a god.

[craggy girder]

god who consumed an auric soul, is that not its title

[indigo yacht]

i feel like that would just be inviting toxicity for no actual benefit

[vocal wedge]

The title is 'god'.

Since 'Auric God' would imply they have Auric Souls, which they don't.

[keen zodiac]

there's no other type of god

auric god is an oxymoron

[craggy girder]

trollface is it really

[indigo yacht]

wouldn't that be tautology

and not oxymoron

[craggy girder]

pardon

[glass arch]

its not an oxymoron its just a redundant descriptor

[craggy girder]

ah, yes

[vocal wedge]

No, not really.

[craggy girder]

it would be taut i think

[indigo yacht]

oxymorons are like, "stupidly intelligent"

[novel belfry]

honestly i like that calamity's suggestion system doesnt use downvotes

[keen zodiac]

apparently i forgot what oxymoron means

[indigo yacht]

tautology is like "free gift"

[craggy girder]

dead zombie

[vocal wedge]

Tautology is repeating yourself.

Oxymoron is contradicting yourself.
Both are literary techniques.

[craggy girder]

yah

[novel belfry]

its good to have suggestions judged on whether the community thinks they're needed sooner rather than invite toxicity into the fold

[indigo yacht]

theres too many literature terms it's impossible to remember them all

[keen zodiac]

anyway, auric god is redundant

[tepid crown]

gods dont have auric souls which is why it isnt tautology

[vocal wedge]

So an Oxymoron would be 'deafening silence'.

[vocal wedge]

This is what I'm saying.

[craggy girder]

well i mainly said that based on the fact they consumed an auric soul

[vocal wedge]

'Auric God' isn't contradictory, it's just two different terms.
A god doesn't have an Auric Soul, anyway, so the term wouldn't make sense.

[craggy girder]

if the Terminus allowed the consumption of other souls i believe they'd be referred to as that

[vocal wedge]

Which is why they're just called gods.

[vocal wedge]

Using a non-Auric soul with it wouldn't make you a god anyway.

Regular souls aren't strong enough, or have domains.

[keen zodiac]

tldr: the only way to become a god in calamity is to consume an auric soul specifically (though it turns into a god soul)
anything that didn't consume an auric soul is objectively not a god

[severe sparrow]

although things without auric souls can be as strong as or more powerful than a god

for example, Boomer Duke, Eidolon Wyrms, and especially Primordial Wyrm.

[gilded citrus]

Or like any hardmode boss (slime god is a god)

[severe sparrow]

well slime god is a statistical outlier there

[gilded citrus]

Still the case hardmode bosses have god levels of power

And with how big hardmode is im sure the average god fits in hardmode

[severe sparrow]

considering the mechs were designed to be able to do battle with some gods that makes sense

[drowsy plank]

slime god is just a loser

[coral carbon]

Ive literally never seen someone call either of them "astrum" and it seems like im not alone there

[keen zodiac]

i've seen it a few times

[glass arch]

there was someone earlier this week that did

but realistically most people just use the second part

[half imp]

I see it like once every week or two

[crude geode]

Why are we bringing up Fabsol

There’s a million ways to say “this is bad” without bringing him up

[novel belfry]

because i do not like this

i hate it so much

i felt obliged to throw shade

okay fair i'll probably edit it out sure

[remote dune]

thats a real screenshot? damn

[novel belfry]

yea

[indigo yacht]

i mean i guess

[royal tapir]

Throwing shade at Fabsol for something he didn't even do is crazy

[fleet grotto]

oops I meant to reply to this

also people just using "astrum"
the one i spoilered has a pfp related to the new pokemon trailers, so spoilers for that I guess

[drowsy plank]

weird

im suprised people do this

but yeah we should differentiate the too more anyway because astral slop is lame

[fleet grotto]

i like the idea of giving it the draedon mech naming scheme that xzier brought up, since it also ties it back to him a bit more

[crude geode]

agreed

[rancid lotus]

Do you think he'd give his lesser machines Greek demigod names rather than Greek god names like he gives the Exo Mechs?
Or do you think he just gives them codenames and nothing else?

[fleet grotto]

the names in canon are probably original

since greece isnt in calamity

i would assume it's probably codenames

[plush flame]

#suggestions-posting message
1: improper formatting
2: did you ask the donor for permission to make this suggestion on their item?

[keen zodiac]

@spring spruce read that

[crude geode]

it's specifically a reference to already existing media and likely rips the sound directly

[distant gyro]

it doesnt rip the sound

[frail fox]

Did they seriously leave already 😭

[distant gyro]

hold on just found something fire

#suggestions-voting message dark ages approved suggestion

[crude geode]

6 years

holy shit

[worthy lintel]

ima be real this request is perfectly reasonable to do without even asking the donor

ultima's firing sound was changed to a softer placeholder for the same reason, being very irritating on the ear

[hollow shell]

Face Melter donor is @teal wolf
Hello Koeboldt there's a minor sugg regarding your weapon in #suggestions-posting . Do you approve?

(may as well ask)

[hollow shell]

Fighting Profaned Guardians now and yeah I do agree with the less-fire-glow suggestion

Their projectiles are able to maintain their sprite texture while still having special added VFX that make them look cool and fiery,
so they should be able to find a middle ground for the Guardians' sprites too.

[craggy girder]

i said that :(

[fleet grotto]

you said it after them

[craggy girder]

i did?!

[craggy girder]

they referred to it by "like other mechs" when its not related to the mechs (it doesnt have willing soldier souls)
((not directly saying they meant it like that))

i referred to it by the generalist draedon

we are Not the same nevermind

[fleet grotto]

"the other mechs" applying to exos

also in draetalk he might refer to the normal mechs that way idr

[craggy girder]

well yeah

its still not related to any of the mechanical bosses, exo or otherwise

[tepid crown]

pbg also has a classification tho its done slightly differently

[craggy girder]

yeah thats what i meant

[tepid crown]

also arsenal has classification

[craggy girder]

yea

[tepid crown]

so those kinds of classification is just a general draedon thing and i think saying mechs is fine considering

[craggy girder]

it wouldnt have materialsoul-numeral

thats what i meant

[tepid crown]

literally everything other than mechs are arsenal gear

hdfailure

[craggy girder]

whats pbgs classification

[tepid crown]

something along the lines of 194-QB-03d

[craggy girder]

yeah thats basically it

[keen zodiac]

he does

HSx-00 (retinazer)
HSy-01 (spazmatism)
HM-03 (destroyer)
HF-04 (skeletron prime)

[craggy girder]

yeah and those fit materialsoul-number

im not sure if aureus would fit in that

given surveillance

[keen zodiac]

it doesn't have to be the exact same format

[hollow shell]

It do?

Do we see those in-game

[keen zodiac]

malachite tooltip

[hollow shell]

I see
(Damn, wiki doesn't have that yet)

[keen zodiac]

should be in the reference lore doc

[hollow shell]

Ah yes I know what that is

[keen zodiac]

rebranded original lore doc

#lore-discussion first pin

[tepid crown]

it doesnt because octo thought it was useless

which tbh

[keen zodiac]

😭

[tepid crown]

is kinda antithetical to a reference doc

[keen zodiac]

killing them

[crude geode]

I assume it’s known that the bot is dead

[oblique birch]

damn

[tepid crown]

oh

@inland saddle bot dead

[mossy pelican]

What bot

Oh suggbot?

[inland saddle]

Oh frick

That’s right my power went out yesterday I completely forgot that would mess up my bots

I’ll restart it when I get home

[oblique birch]

light blue Nycro

[novel belfry]

@covert jackal go to #help-advice-read-pins for advice on dog

also, remember to @novel belfry

[drowsy plank]

^

[drowsy plank]

we need to kill all terra weapons

and night weapons

[errant wren]

truer words have never been spoken (probably)

[kind laurel]

You have a point

[novel belfry]

i will defend night weapons for no reason other than "I can see them working out anyways"

[drowsy plank]

i was gonna write a suggestion about this but actually, the weapons themselves are fine

i mean the overarching theme needs to die

the weapons would be better if they were not forced to be tied together with theming

ex; lunarian bow being more moon themed instead of night themed would be much cooler

[novel belfry]

yeah i wouldnt mind that actually

for me i think my reasoning is purely because i think it'd be more interesting if the night's set were actually treated as such

especially since i reckon that slime god is going to be moved later in progression

that said i think there already kinda is a sense of the nights items being more distinctive from each other already based solely off their sprites

[drowsy plank]

if we're being fair it's not even a "night" set because in vanilla the set is night's edge and dark lance

[novel belfry]

night's ray looks like its made of wood partly, lunarian bow doesnt even remotely resemble the night's edge and dark lance

only eye of night sticks out to me being distinctly similar to night's edge

[sleek turret]

just kill terra like thorium did and calamity will reincarnate as thoriumite

[novel belfry]

although it clearly still has the corruption theme that permeated the set (and hence why they all had crimson variants)

but since that got removed at large, it'd be better to just make them more distinct

a special material that ties them together somewhat? like a night-themed alloy made of various materials collected over prehm? maybe, but again not really needed

its just how i would deal with this set

also they really gotta rework eye of night

[novel belfry]

@dense ferry what do you mean by this react

[dense ferry]

WHY DID THE BRAZIL REACT GET HERE

Whatever man it's staying idc

[novel belfry]

lmao what?

[dense ferry]

Tl;dr double tap to react feature

[tardy geyser]

oh i thought you were sending overdone to brazil

[dense ferry]

I have mine set to Brazil Flag

Somehow that triggered when I was checking in

[novel belfry]

they're gonna kick me out because i keep tossing too many crackpot ideas around

[lucid marsh]

Have you considered that maybe they can be night adjacent but not strictly "nights whatever"

[drowsy plank]

i think that's lame and they should be more divergent

[fleet grotto]

neurodivergent

[lucid marsh]

It needs to be spread out across progression in a similar way to the nights edge line and needs to be balanced similarly. The magic one sucks because it deviates from this and it's barely usable as a result

[drowsy plank]

lo

[lucid marsh]

Mage basically doesn't have a consisting viable line of weapons throughout the game. It has a bunch of trash tier weapons and a few good ones, and which ones are good or trash switch between lines multiple times

We need consistency

[drowsy plank]

i dont agree with any of this

[lucid marsh]

Huh

Well let's see

[drowsy plank]

i also dont know what you mean with the first one because night's ray is crafted at the exact same time as the rest of the night weapons

[crude geode]

^

[lucid marsh]

Wand of Frosting: why???
Amber staff: viable until skeletron, disregard anything else
Magic missile: viable until hardmode, disregard anything else except nights ray
Other nights ray ingredients: not even worth mentioning

[drowsy plank]

that has

nothing to do with what i was even suggesting in the first place lmfao

[dense locust]

"viable until hardmode" its post skele I would fucking hope so

[lucid marsh]

No I mean it's viable in hardmode

You can use it against the twins and it's a good option

[dense locust]

bug got patched

[lucid marsh]

When?

[dense locust]

2.1.2

[lucid marsh]

Huh

[dense locust]

\

[lucid marsh]

I see

That makes a lot more sense

Nevermind then lol

[tepid crown]

also like

the strength of other weapons shouldnt mean anything when talking about a weapons theming

[lucid marsh]

My point is that mage (and to a lesser extend ranged) is dominated by a few really good weapons and aot of trash ones, and it's not even the same group

Ah. I guess I got sidetracked

[tepid crown]

balance is entirely seperate from weapon design

[lucid marsh]

Oops lol

Ok then theming: If you aren't doing a nights edge copy, you'd better come up with theming that is equally cool. I have yet to see anyone do this

[keen zodiac]

lunarian bow tried and failed miserably

[drowsy plank]

lunarian bow barely tried

[keen zodiac]

true

[lucid marsh]

Yeah. So do it better or don't try.

Don't make something worse just for the sake of being different

[earnest raptor]

don't they still have terra weapons for custom classes?

[sleek turret]

only healer and thrower

not sure if terra knife is being removed in future thrower update but idk

[short stream]

I stand by the fact that Lunarian Bow NEEDS a rework more than any other weapon in the mod

[inland saddle]

Bot should be back

[indigo yacht]

oh my

[earnest raptor]

bot slept for so long that it ate invalid suggestion

[lost spire]

all the night's edge equivalent weapons do tbh

[hollow shell]

Yeah WTH
How did it not get 🗜️ reacted by the bot? And still work?

[eternal escarp]

first ever description-less suggestion since new bot, perhaps ever

[hollow shell]

Also

Is it just me or does the new Gilded Proboscis really need player knockback when you land its right-click attack.
It thrusts you forward... right into the enemy's hitbox. And it seems significantly harder to space with compared to your typical melee weapon as a result.

If it had player knockback like a bonk shield to prevent you from hitting the enemy, then the forward thrust would be a huge boon and make spacing much easier rather than harder.

Am I missing something or using it wrong

[half imp]

that's exactly the point, it's meant to be quite difficult to space

But the direction you're holding your movement changes how far it launches

It's meant to be the high skill ceiling optimizeable part of the weapon

it also pairs very well with ram dashes

[hollow shell]

(the unique crit mechanic is very cool btw and I love how it modifies the tooltip stat line accordingly)

[half imp]

it's actually not the only weapon that has that, a lot of the slow heavy ones do but they don't edit the tooltip for it

that does need to get done eventually but I haven't yet

[hollow shell]

I may have a skewed perspective because I fought Providence first
and Holy Collider mogs all over like every other true melee option

[half imp]

Proboscis is specifically meant to be really really good for providence

It's like precision built to absolutely obliterate her

[hollow shell]

I can see how considering the lack of contact damage hitbox

[half imp]

but yeah holy Collider is really really strong rn

[hollow shell]

(I'm glad Holy Collider is strong, it's a really cool and fun mechanic)

[half imp]

I do probably need to buff proboscis right click damage

[half imp]

yeah, although it's a little bit too strong rn

Especially the fact the right click auto swing is better than the cool mode on almost every boss

[hollow shell]

Ah I've just been using the 'cool mode' really

[half imp]

the right click is probably just going to die entirely though

It doesn't add anything to the weapon and more so actively takes away from the weapon's identity and design

[hollow shell]

Fair enough I suppose

And for using the flare whack interaction it's not hard to just left click

without holding

[half imp]

yeah

[craggy girder]

really???

[hollow shell]

(also while I have you here can I cheat and just ask for a sound to be added when Gilded's LC is fully charged?) :3c
(Hard to notice the subtle shake in the middle of a fight)

[craggy girder]

Grand Guardian mogged for a teeensy bit and stellar striker was godlike

collider seemed neat but the draw time to boulder charge ratio was
ppor

[hollow shell]

Omniblade did good work for me

DPS-wise.

[craggy girder]

i hate omniblade on principle

[hollow shell]

I was referring mainly to around its own tier with Collider

[craggy girder]

thing doesnt swing down to face my cursor

apologies if my writing is shaky im taking picture of blood moon and its Cold

[hollow shell]

It's a little jank
Especially nowadays next to significantly prettier and more functional custom swing weapons

(Fun Fact I'm the one who made the Omniblade swing animation several years ago, just so it would stop being a featureless true melee broadsword)

[hollow shell]

based
Enjoy the moon

[craggy girder]

curse you let it be a katana but bigger ….

[urban berry]

Aaand aster made a rule break

[hollow shell]

Which rule?

It doesn't violate Specific Item Suggestion if that's what you're thinking

This is the ideal way to ask for a new item. Only focusing on its purpose for being added

[grave zinc]

@quaint carbon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Adjust the Brain of Cthulhu's sprites during his myriad attack if you have "Blood and Gore" disabled]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Signus not Titled "Signus, Envoy of the Devourer"]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@dense locust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[rename bloodflare Horned Helm to match the rest of the set]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@spare bison - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add an extra bit of text on the Malice mode difficulty changer to emphatize that this difficulty is not intended to be balanced or taken seriously.]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@kind laurel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Meld Constructs]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[spare bison]

FINALLY

🙏

[hollow shell]

(a specific item suggestion would be

"Thorned Crucifix
45 summon damage
21 usetime
5 knockback
Uses 2 minion slots

Crafted with 12 Hallowed Bars, 50 Wood, 3 Iron Bars, and 1 Soul of Light

When used it summons a miniature Jesus Christ minion that shoots a spread of 3 nail projectiles at enemies..." etc etc )

aw no my comedic timing!

[spare bison]

MINITUARE JESUS CHRIST MINION

🥹

rover how was trhat the first thing you thought of

oh my go

[plush flame]

when is this getting added

[obsidian nova]

NOOO MY CONSTRUCTS

[mossy pelican]

Go my constructs

[keen zodiac]

#suggestions-voting message
how the fuck didn't this get flagged for formatting

[crude geode]

It was

[crude geode]

The bot sent it through anyways

[keen zodiac]

[oblique birch]

would be nice to have some more feedbacks than the slow slide back and the subtle shake yeah

even when the optimal play isn't max charge Left Click always

would be nice

some sound, outline glow or whatever

I just think it'll give more satisfaction in using the weapon overall

[keen zodiac]

yeah tbh i'm not a fan of proboscis
it just doesn't feel very good to use

[half imp]

it's definitely not a weapon for everyone

which is good because weapons built for everyone tend to be boring

[crude geode]

tears of heaven

[quaint carbon]

Oh shit I didn’t see this. LET’S GOOOOO

[tepid crown]

@dense locust u mispelt amidias by the way

[oblique birch]

Amedias my favorite weapon

[mossy pelican]

aMIDias

[fossil finch]

better suggestion: remove the item

[mossy pelican]

sunken sea removal when

[fossil finch]

okay you dont have to remove but how do amidias spark and pendant got to exit past 2.0 is a crazy question

[obsidian nova]

Wait, I always thought that it spawned three shards?

[half imp]

@lean surge could be worth noting that some special melees get size and that it's inconsistent throughout the class, and hat there's items like Ale that specifically boost melee size

and while melee size modifiers more often than not insignificant, and the only reason special melee isn't affected seems to be from a programming standpoint.
this part might also be worth killing, i think it only serves to undermine your point. Melee size modifiers are pretty notable (especially from getting Legendary),

[lean surge]

Oh yeah I forgor

I could mention that while vanilla size modification is inconsistent, melee size has a lot more sources in calamity?

[half imp]

potentially

also worth noting that vanilla swords in general get melee size

[lean surge]

Does Terragrim?

[half imp]

no, but i think the main question is if Terra Blade does

i don't actually know there

[lean surge]

Terra Blade is a pretty standard broadsword is the thing

[half imp]

well, it has a custon swing projectile

it is vanilla's template of fancy melee

[lean surge]

Oh, Starlight works apparently

[half imp]

oh it does?

that's also a great example then

[tepid crown]

terra blade gets it i believe

[half imp]

yeah i think so

those are both great examples

[lean surge]

I think it would maybe be better to encompass more than just special swing ones

Like, Starlight does, but Lightspeed does not.

[half imp]

yeah

Notably terragrim is an old 1.3-era weapon and doesn't necessarily follow vanilla modern design standards

[lean surge]

Yup

[half imp]

I think the strongest arguments in favor of this are

• Vanilla consistency
• Players expect a stat provided to actually work
• Calamity internal inconsistency

[tepid crown]

vanilla consistency is a

weird point tbh...

even knewer stuff like flint doesnt get size or speed

[half imp]

size makes sense considering flint is a charge weapon

Wrll

Speed makes sense

I didn't know it didn't get size though

[lean surge]

Which could honestly be grounds for those being modified as well, but I'm primarily using Starlight as an example

[tepid crown]

attack speed modifiers does work on flint tho

its just melee speed that doesnt

[half imp]

huhh

That sounds like an oversight then

[tepid crown]

charging is always the same speed tho

[oblique birch]

2nd point is the strongest in this I think

make melee size be a real stat

[half imp]

Yeah

I agree

[lean surge]

Alright, edited

[half imp]

nice

[oblique birch]

gonna make 500 bot accounts to make sure this gets in

[lean surge]

I'll probably also make my terraprisma suggestion so I can watch it get absolutely nuked in voting so I can shut up about it

[vocal wedge]

No, bad, to the salt mines with you.

[half imp]

what is the suggestion

[indigo yacht]

👀

reversion suggestions not allowed...

[lean surge]

Nah it's not that actually

[indigo yacht]

👀 👀

[lean surge]

I like Terraprisma being post-ml balanced is essentially what it would sum up to

[half imp]

make terraprisma inflict voidfrost

[lean surge]

I think that would maybe count as a balancing suggestion tho

[indigo yacht]

why the fuck are there 4 get these off me

[half imp]

that's really just a #1178515062030348308 yes

I do need to buff Prisma a little bit though

[indigo yacht]

3x damage 1.25x minion knockback

[half imp]

0.5x dmg 10x knockback

[indigo yacht]

let's not get unreasonable here

[lean surge]

The thing is just that it's not really a balancing issue cause some of the devs at the least don't really want it to be like, providence viable

[half imp]

do they? I'm not actually sure on that

[indigo yacht]

do day eol and night provi still have tdr

[tepid crown]

uihh

day eol doesnt iirc

[lean surge]

I have discussed this a lot and yeah like a dev or two seem to think so

[tepid crown]

dont remember about provi

[lean surge]

Can't remember who

[indigo yacht]

hmm

[tepid crown]

rdr only has 1 match for rdr and its on eol

so yea provi still has it

[lean surge]

How hard is daytime empress in cal anyways? I have not done it lol

[tepid crown]

well it was reverted back to one shotting you

[half imp]

I think I'd make it slightly weak on provi but still like

viable

4:15 vs the expected 4:00 on tier

[dense locust]

On death it’s the devil on rev idk

[oblique birch]

never seen anyone talked about if they've done it after 2.1

so I'd assume ^ yeah

[lean surge]

Yeah like, I feel like Terraprisma is about as difficult to get post-ML as other weapons

Like, it’s not all that hard to grab stellar striker

[dense locust]

Tbf this isn’t that far off what it gets currently

It’s like 4:45 iirc

[half imp]

yeah I don't think it needs a super major buff

[lean surge]

Yeah it probably doesn’t lol

[dense locust]

2 base damage buff real

[half imp]

67 to 70 is my gut

[dense locust]

Oh is it 67 I thought it was 68

[lean surge]

I think it is 68

[half imp]

might be idk

probably like 72 tbh

70 is just a nice number

[dense locust]

72 is also a nice number

[indigo yacht]

400 take it or leave it

[half imp]

hear me out...

68 -> 70

1 -> 0.9 minion slot cost

[lean surge]

Ts so peak

[dense locust]

75 is also nice and tbh probably not that insane

Solution: rework prisma into a single slot minion and then make it pre nerf wither blossom levels

[half imp]

make it a single minion that scales with times summoned

and each time summoned adds another sword

but like Herring only one of the swords actually is real and has a hitbox

[indigo yacht]

but then i cant have sword wings :(

oh wait

i cant read that's what it is

[keen zodiac]

kid named ghostar's infinity eight

[indigo yacht]

I'm not grinding for that

and also Yoraiz0r's Spell solos

[keen zodiac]

true

[tepid crown]

was this this update?

[dense locust]

yes

[oblique birch]

not bad

considering how fucked day EoL is

[drowsy plank]

@raven light #1178515062030348308

also i just dont think this is true

ranged still gets access to generic damage boosts, and even if it is a bit old, im pretty sure protolith bangle is still probably viable

[craggy girder]

hrm

would it be sis to suggest all classes getting a black glass ring upgrade instead of just two

[drowsy plank]

i guess my real question is like

what would be the justification

[half imp]

don't think so

Yeah it'd need justification

but it's not inherently SIS

[craggy girder]

hmm. fair.

[half imp]

Could also suggest to expand the classes of the existing post evil bangles

[oblique birch]

they can get something else that aren't bangles

[drowsy plank]

they have things that aren't bangles

lmao

[craggy girder]

wait its damage is classless??

[oblique birch]

yeah

[craggy girder]

wait what the hell whys its damage classless

[oblique birch]

like if they ever need "more", probably wouldn't also be bangles

[half imp]

doesn't ranged literally have Deadshot Brooch pre plant btw

[craggy girder]

the bangles just need the damage type of ranged/magic to trigger the classless damage

why do they do that

[drowsy plank]

no that's post plant it needs a core

[craggy girder]

why dont they just trigger classless but on more specific terms for more power

[drowsy plank]

presumably balance so they aren't even more broken than they already are

typeless doesn't benefit from any damage boosts i believe

also because they're still ranged and mage accessories

[half imp]

Both of them benefit form their respective class dmg boosts

[drowsy plank]

really?

[craggy girder]

The strike's damage value scales with the player's highest class' damage.

[oblique birch]

yeah that's why Protolith was doing up to 1k damage

[drowsy plank]

that's really weird then yeah

[raven light]

yeah? you know what also gets generic dmg boost? every other class after killing wof

[oblique birch]

Batholith

[craggy girder]

?????????????? why doesnt it scale from Ranged Damage/Magic Damage??????????????????????????????????????

[drowsy plank]

ok

why do we need more

[craggy girder]

are they genuinely expecting me to shoot one bullet, get proc, then go back to using my whatever kit

[raven light]

the class is straight ass

[craggy girder]

this is wrong

ranger is quite solid

[earnest raptor]

you have homing potion

[craggy girder]

you're using grape beer

[drowsy plank]

was this continued from another discussion in another channel

lmao

[craggy girder]

it mightve been

[raven light]

yeah okay

and 1k dps

pre plantera

[craggy girder]

okay so like.

consider this

Immaculate Idea

dont use grape beer

[drowsy plank]

"this class's damage is so bad"
using the potion that reduces your damage

[craggy girder]

your dps will like

[half imp]

1k DPS is like

[craggy girder]

nearly triple

[half imp]

really good pre plant?

[oblique birch]

bro have the potion that reduce -75% crit damage and complain about the dps?

[drowsy plank]

DPS is a bad metric regardless but also lol yeah

[craggy girder]

i thought the ballpark was 1.5k

its lower than average but servicable

[half imp]

is it? hmm

[craggy girder]

idk im estimating

[half imp]

Mechs are like 400 iirc

[drowsy plank]

500 damage for the homing grape beer gives feels reasonable

[half imp]

so I don't think plantera is 1.5k

[drowsy plank]

that shit got a fuckin supermagnet on every bullet

[half imp]

lemme chekc

[craggy girder]

lose 33% of your damage but also gain consistancy

its quite good

[earnest raptor]

exploding bullet turns every gun into nail gun

[raven light]

🤡

[craggy girder]

wish it worked with more than just basic ammo types

[raven light]

you play melee every playthrough dont you?

[craggy girder]

summoner right now actually

idk why you're so pressed

[drowsy plank]

do you actually want people to listen to you or are you just going to insult everyone that disagrees with you

[craggy girder]

this guys pfp's giving me a headache

Anyhow.

[earnest raptor]

summoner requires thought, though

[tepid crown]

well if we are going with the fact that plantera has 120k hp, and ur supposed to kill it in tester gear in around 3 minutes

[raven light]

saying loosing 33%dps over homing is just stupid

[craggy girder]

just a lil

[tepid crown]

then youd ideally be having 666dps

[craggy girder]

would you prefer like

50%

[raven light]

i would prefer a accessory that gives me it

[tepid crown]

hey buddy what do you think chloro bullets low damage is for

[craggy girder]

like theres a lot worse it can get if you need

[drowsy plank]

someone needs to get that clip of someone using grape beer and the bullet makes a 180 degree turn

[dense locust]

it should be 50% for how stong of homing it is I'm gonna be real

[half imp]

This may be outdated now

[craggy girder]

Bwuh

[half imp]

so like

[drowsy plank]

wall of text has awoken

[craggy girder]

790 on plantera??

[half imp]

1k DPS is

Really good

[craggy girder]

yeah 1k dps is quite good

whats your weapon anyhow

[earnest raptor]

what about no crits?

[oblique birch]

I only have still image does it work

[raven light]

don't get me wrong i love calamity and the work that they put in, but ranged just gets no accessories pre plantera

[half imp]

plantera in revengance is intended to take 3:00

[drowsy plank]

good enough

wtf is that shit

[craggy girder]

Purity effect from Infernum Real!

[half imp]

yeah but you have an accessory immediately after plantera

[raven light]

yeah but pre you get nothing

[oblique birch]

look where I'm aiming

[raven light]

i am talking about pre plantera

just boring

[craggy girder]

okay you arent wrong here

[half imp]

there's also like, quivers and such but that doesn't do bullets

[craggy girder]

it gets like two

[raven light]

yes

[craggy girder]

ones a boring all class and the others are quivers

[raven light]

i know

[half imp]

but yeah it just gets generic dmg accessories besides quivers

[raven light]

but weapons have nothing

[craggy girder]

it doesnt get The Thingaling that Things enemies

its not the Newlamity Style

[raven light]

guns*

[drowsy plank]

awesome

[earnest raptor]

one second

[novel belfry]

crackpot idea:
have a pre-hm ranger quiver accessory that lets you do ironeye nightreign's skill where you dash and hit an enemy with an arrow of choice to debuff an enemy or something

[half imp]

even if they're not ranged specific there's a lot of good accessories available pre plantera

[dense locust]

I will say there is definitely an overall lack of ranged weapons for this stage of the game but that doesnt seem to be what the person is refering to

[half imp]

Yeah

There's definitely a lack of weapons for sure

[earnest raptor]

https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/what-are-your-hot-takes-for-terraria.141958/page-15#post-3288392

[drowsy plank]

i have mentioned that issue before yeah

[raven light]

this pretty much sums everything up

[novel belfry]

also aside from super star shooter none of these are that intersting

[novel belfry]

IS THAT SHYGUYMASK

[drowsy plank]

well you were asking for accessories

[half imp]

shotbow is fun

[drowsy plank]

which are not weapons

[dense locust]

person who plays the video game talks about the video game? unheard of

[raven light]

its the same for accessories

[drowsy plank]

okay but it doesnt

need them

it does need weapons that's actually important variety

[novel belfry]

shyguymask jumpscare

[half imp]

the difference with accessories is that you can use general accessories and accessories are generally longer term anyway

[drowsy plank]

like i said u can use bangle in hardmode just fine

[half imp]

Post mech ranger could use an accessory though

[drowsy plank]

and if u make too many damage accessories u create problems

[half imp]

ehh

Protolith Bangle is adding 16 dps

On average

[dense locust]

post nerf probably not

[half imp]

(before damage boosts)

[drowsy plank]

true

[half imp]

Batholith pre nerf was

[drowsy plank]

if it did actually get nerfed maybe not

[half imp]

45 dps

Proto pre nerf was still only 19

[oblique birch]

I found it, 180 degree Grape Beer

[dense locust]

anyway making a classed accessory just for the sake of having a classed accessory is kinda lame esp when you're litterally one boss away from brooch

[earnest raptor]

where are launchers

[dense locust]

its pre plant launchers arnt real yet

[drowsy plank]

you get the one after scourge and also launchers were supposed to be post-plant

[half imp]

classes accessories that have no reason to be classed are kinda lame in general

Tbh

[dense locust]

true

[earnest raptor]

why calam gives an option to make rockets at beginning of hm

[dense locust]

make wof just drop avenger emblem outright and remove the normal ones

[half imp]

this is why chaos stone is peak it works for all classes

[tepid crown]

mineral mortar

[oblique birch]

there's a Launcher you can get after 1 HM boss

[earnest raptor]

yet only gives 2 launchers before plant

[oblique birch]

why need more?

[drowsy plank]

mineral mortar and flak toxicannon exist yeah

[dense locust]

if you told me this was a donor item I would have believed you

[keen zodiac]

so you can use them???

[drowsy plank]

they're exceptions not the rule

[oblique birch]

that sounds like a good number to me

[half imp]

That's still 2 launches that need rockets lol

I do wanna kill those launchers though tbh

[keen zodiac]

true

[drowsy plank]

sad!

[half imp]

wait mineral mortar should be a sandgun upgrade wait

and sandblaster can die

[earnest raptor]

I was going to say, that they either should be ammoless or reworked

[keen zodiac]

TRUE

[drowsy plank]

fair

flak was ammoless

it was made into a launcher

[tepid crown]

how about we make a proper sandgun upgrade and not just thing that uses sand

[crude geode]

TRUE

[keen zodiac]

rename and resprite sandblaster

[oblique birch]

just kill Sandblaster

[dense locust]

they already renamed it

[half imp]

yeah I'd do that for mineral mortar

[keen zodiac]

do it again

[half imp]

I'd make it a sand powered launcher where each sand has unique effects on the rocket

[drowsy plank]

why called mineral mortar if it cannot shoot all minerals (rocks and ores) 🤔

[novel belfry]

fool

[half imp]

I knew I was gonna have a peak idea soon I called it

[earnest raptor]

even cal ones?

[tepid crown]

make it place sand or i will call you a coward

[novel belfry]

make mineral mortar USE rocks and ores

[drowsy plank]

i mean cal ones work with normal sandgun now

[half imp]

Cal sands have unique effects in sandgun so yes

[tepid crown]

cal ones got support actually

[dense locust]

wait cook?

[keen zodiac]

can you kill earthen pike too please

[novel belfry]

and have unique effects for all of them. all of them.

[earnest raptor]

then the earth elemental has no loot

[oblique birch]

SHPC but 1 tier lower no way

[dense locust]

for the best

[drowsy plank]

yes

[keen zodiac]

as it should be

[drowsy plank]

then we can kill earth elemental too

[tepid crown]

can we kill earth elemental entirely actually

[dense locust]

just give earth elemental arid artifact back why did it even lose it

[oblique birch]

Ancient Cloth is not real can we actually buff the drop rate of the fucking thing

[keen zodiac]

why is arid artifact post 2 mechs for literally no reason

[oblique birch]

it's absurdly rare

[keen zodiac]

TRUE

took me 30 minutes to get 5

[oblique birch]

Zerg Battle all that shit

never drop shit

[drowsy plank]

ancient cloth should drop from more enemies

[keen zodiac]

mummies

[oblique birch]

nah

[dense locust]

does cal change its drop rates at all

[craggy girder]

can we make ancient cloth just. not needed for shit

hows that

[oblique birch]

should still be from Underground Desert enemies tbh

[earnest raptor]

ancient armor real???

[oblique birch]

if we gonna do that