suggestions-discussion

[tepid crown]

so the cal crates literally have nothing worthwhile

[royal tapir]

Because Calamity biomes don't have chest loot except Sulph Sea

[craggy girder]

i mean isnt there fishing items

you could put the fishing weapons in crates sometimes

[errant wren]

what if we made cal biomes into subworlds with structure generation so they could hav- someone take my internet access away

[craggy girder]

this i think is the issue

the crates are basically placable stuffed fish

[humble girder]

I agree but looking at what can be found in for instance the craigh it all has awkward progression unlocks which, if added to the loot pool, might cause similair hoarding problem... for instance you could add infernal suevite but it's locked behind the mythril pick which would either require a mech boss kill trigger to have it added or be a skip in progression...

[royal tapir]

They don't need chest loot just to add loot to crates

That's making up a solution to a non-problem

[craggy girder]

correct

[drowsy plank]

i mean you're right, they don't need chest loot, but it's weird that they don't have anything at all right now

like the crags crates could at least have essence of havoc and scorched bone or something

[royal tapir]

Some of them could

[craggy girder]

most crates exist to provide the chest loot of their area plus small loot

[drowsy plank]

that would be in line with the hallowed one

[royal tapir]

Not Essences those have grab bag fish already

Scorched Bone could

[golden sonnet]

I feel like sunken crates could use prism shards, astral crates could use stardust, and crag crates could use scorched bone. That's all they need, it doesn't need to be something good, just something to make them unique is enough imo

[tepid crown]

the essences should really be in crates instead, since thats wat vanilla does with souls of light n night, crystal shards and the two evil hardmode mats

[tepid crown]

astral crates alr have starblight soot

[royal tapir]

Yes that's Stardust

[craggy girder]

the grabbag fish are certainly an item of all time (i dont like them)

[royal tapir]

Congratulations

[tepid crown]

starblight soot is just so abundant that its pointless

[drowsy plank]

having crags crates contain brimstone slag, or, even as some people mentioned, hellstone since that's non-renewable even in vanilla rn would be cool

point is i think the suggestion does have something of a point and that's why i threw my post-ML crate idea in at the very least

[humble girder]

I thought prism shards were just removed from the sunken sea loot pool?

[drowsy plank]

i figured most of these crate issues would be addressed in SSO or something

well yeah but that doesnt mean it was the right move, a lot of stuff was just removed from crates tbf

[golden sonnet]

They were, but I feel like sunken sea crates need at least something unique in them more than blocks. I agree that calamity crates are currently far too plain

well, I think sulph/hydrothermic crates are fine

[humble girder]

ah, I thought the prism change was a bit odd since they can be obtained pre-boss anyway

[drowsy plank]

sulph/hydro are like the only really acceptable ones rn lmao

[golden sonnet]

agreed

[royal tapir]

Astral is good too

[golden sonnet]

astral is fine, not amazing but is decent

[drowsy plank]

astral is fine but ngl people have issues with the vanilla hallowed crates, so if there is ever an option it'd be cool if it had more put in it lol

[royal tapir]

This really doesn't need anything more than adding a materal to Brimstone Crate and Prism Crate

[golden sonnet]

I think hallowed is fine, it has 2 materials

[frail fox]

Astral crate’s biggest issue: being Astral 💔

[golden sonnet]

I agree tbh

[royal tapir]

I start to wonder how much of the perceived "issue" is just the shell shock of everything happening at once

[golden sonnet]

I also feel they had far too many items before. Removing them was the right call, but leaving zero unique items besides blocks was a mistake imo

compared to vanilla crates, they objectively need something more, even if that something is a single biome based material

[tepid crown]

the fuck

[drowsy plank]

i was thinking about something mentioned earlier, and it was said that astral and cryo were kept out of the shimmer chain so people couldn't skip the content

i was thinking, if that is the case, then similarly to how demonite/crimtane is kept out, that maybe cryo should drop some of its ore like how EoC or Mechs drop hallowed and evil ores. also think that if calamity is going to include aerialite in the shimmer chain then hellstone should probably be added too

[tepid crown]

o wait nvm its a pet summoning item

who else wouldve looked at this under the frozen and boreal crate section and think "whats a fish doing in a crate?"

[keen zodiac]

fih

[golden sonnet]

I think cryo dropping ore is a solid idea, would remove the need for cryo slimes as well. Can't make it too much though or mining becomes suboptimal and we further enforce boss rush

[royal tapir]

Cryogen can't drop Cryonic Ore because that ruins the progression

[golden sonnet]

oh yeah

it's post 2 mechs

to be fair, that is silly and should probably be changed somehow

[tepid crown]

give em to cryons post cryogen and 2 mechs

[royal tapir]

🐱

[tepid crown]

or the wisp thingies

[keen zodiac]

why can't cryonic just be post cryogen

[tepid crown]

theyre both permafrost creations so itd be in line for them to make them made from cryonic

[keen zodiac]

the 2 mechs thing is really dumb

[golden sonnet]

a boss unlocking a material only to have it locked by 2 other bosses is strange and I don't think anything like that exists in vanilla or calamity

nor should it exist like that

[royal tapir]

There's just a lot of ores at this tier in general

[tepid crown]

i mean you could say that about like

idk

perennial and astral requiring bosses to smelt into bars

[royal tapir]

Cobalt/Palladium, Mythril/Orichalcum, Cryonic, Adamantite/Titanium, Hallowed, Chlorophyte

[keen zodiac]

perennial only generates post plant

[tepid crown]

yea but requires hardmode furnace

so u need to beat the mechs too to actually use it

[keen zodiac]

i think that's reasonable

[royal tapir]

Well it's past the progression point so it's moot for a normal player

[tepid crown]

actually its kinda weird

cryonic i mean

[golden sonnet]

hear me out, cryogen allows access to a forge, which can create cryonic ore from other ores

but like, only adamantite/titanium to limit it if needed

[tepid crown]

air fryer but cold

[drowsy plank]

just make cryonic only smeltable at an ada/titanium furnace

problem solved

also you could just make the ore only drop if certain mechs are dead like how hallowed ore works

[humble girder]

"Breaking news: dreadon makes inverse airfryer, immediatly gets stolen by the terrarian!"

[tepid crown]

it already is like that

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao

[golden sonnet]

Maybe this is worse because it gives you an item you can't use, but I like this tbh

[tepid crown]

it makes it slightly more clear when cryonic is used

well

very clear actually

another way to make it clear is add something that shows pickaxe power needed

which technically would also fix anyone asking why they cant mine exodium

(itd be clear they need a lunar pickaxe)

[mystic sandal]

#lowkey just make cryo key need a mythril anvil and buff him accordingly

[tepid crown]

well thatd just make him post mech 1

unless ur saying to also move cryonic down

[mystic sandal]

Yeah I’d be chill with that

It is kinda really unsatisfying to beat a boss and then not be able to mine the ore it spawned for another tier or two

It’s like if you needed luminite for astral

[tepid crown]

its like if you needed hallowed bars for chlorophyte

oh wait

[glass arch]

more accurately would be like if you needed uelibloom for astral

[mystic sandal]

Point is it just doesn’t feel great for all the immediate post-cryogen unlocks to basically be whatever permafrost is selling, and eventually he won’t even be selling stuff (I think?) so it’s literally just the drops

[glass arch]

luminite and astral are close enough in progression that astral needing luminite would not be that big of a change

[echo leaf]

I ditto the post-ML crate suggestion

The way I handle my Auric ore is I just uhhh

Fish it all up in hardmode while I'm getting potion ingredients and stuff and then immediately open all of them post-Yharon

[gilded citrus]

Astral crates gives you pillar frags after deus when

[indigo yacht]

im not reading all that but why was the first one invalid? i can't see anything wrong with it

evidently people agree with it

oh wait is it a reversion suggestion

i see

[glass arch]

no

that cant be why

because reversion suggestions arent against the rules anymore

[half imp]

it was reversion and too long

[drowsy plank]

they are kinda? as in you need to at least wait a bit

[glass arch]

im looking at the rules and im not seeing that

[crude geode]

Third to last one

[glass arch]

oh i think i see the issue

its not exactly reversion its readdition

[errant wren]

reversion of removal

[glass arch]

reversion vs readding is a really fucky thing

i hate semantics

[errant wren]

re-adding old behavior; we should call it reversion in the doc, maybe

more uhh

what's the word

[glass arch]

directed?

[errant wren]

direct would be the one i was looking for thanks

[novel belfry]

they should release one for 1.5 so people can play malice mode

the original malice mode that is

[indigo yacht]

release malice??

i have the .tmod file in my 1.3 tmodloader folder i can just give it here

it sucks ass though I don't think anyone really would want to play it

[keen zodiac]

many people enjoy complete dogshit slop

source: calamity overhaul players

[indigo yacht]

that's not really comparable

[earnest raptor]

Unless Rust and Dust's movement speed meta returns, it will not be that fun

[distant gyro]

im honestly surprised this is a thing at the slightest, because it's more exception than rule that people cherrypicked
here's things they don't give you:

• feathers
• soul of flight
• antlion mandible
• flinx fur
• pixie dust
• unicorn horn
• light shard
• rotten chunk
• worm tooth
• vertebra
• dark shard
• shark fin
• jungle spores
• stinger
• vine

there's an overwhelming amount of biome-exclusive materials that never make it to a crate

not mentioning neither hellstone nor chlorophyte are there and yet there are somehow expectations of scoria or suevite or something

what exactly is the something people ask that's actually substance and not just filler to make it look maybe a little nicer

you can pat your back that prism shard exists in a sunken sea crate then turn back to face the reality that it takes on average 21 crates to get the prism shards to make a deific amulet when otherwise 1 normal trip to the sunken sea will give you more prisms than you ever need in your playthrough for 5 players because it's just that abundant

or scorched bones when it is fully replenishable at ease in 2.1 due to fertilizer compatibility and ability to craft fertilizer with scorched bones, leaving it the most efficient option so long as the player has... poo (well, at least this one makes sense)

[eternal escarp]

(also with chlorophyte, luminite is farmable and shimmers into it so it still has a renewable alternative source)

[gilded citrus]

Diesnt chlorophyte grow

[eternal escarp]

thats the main renewable method yeah

[distant gyro]

also this might be baffling or not but hardmode crates never give you upgraded healing potions

which boggles me as to what could pml crates have except be anti-pattern and just starting to add Random Shit Go and maybe unholy essence and ecto/necroplasm but that's it

[eternal escarp]

clearly, new weapon sets from the crates

we NEED a post ML Anchor and Falcon Blade varient

[distant gyro]

erm... but you dont get those from crates silly

that's also another part

like half the things people think they fish for are like. not crates

you don't fish in the hallow for crates you do it for prismite and if you feel like it then crystal serpent

[visual crater]

okay, so, for obvious reasons Shayy's pan is getting removed (fuck shayy) so I propose as a potential pan-based form of violence to take the place of the Seared Pan:

[tiny minnow]

No

It would need to behave totally differently

[grim tusk]

you will get another Auric rogue weapon somewhere in the future; dw about it

(for now just use Wrathwing, Dynamic Pursuer or smth)

@visual crater no

this is a specific item suggestion and not allowed

[visual crater]

ah

okie

[visual crater]

that's on me throwing together a concept before double-checking the rules my bad

[distant gyro]

there has been a handful of people turning to tf2 but is that not a melee weapon

if that's what you're looking for waffle's iron is teeechnically in the game

[mystic sandal]

tbh even if there was a replacement weapon for seared pan i wouldnt want it post-ml

like imagine a pre-boss frying pan with a cooking minigame

like a better deep sea dumbbell

[distant gyro]

people having attachment for seared pan as a pan is really weird for me because

its function as a pan is indistinguishable from utensil poker

you throw this thin strip of projectile that just looks like a dagger

it just has undertale fireballs to set it apart and that's about it really

you didn't really lose a pan weapon - you lost a pan sprite maybe, and you definitely lost an auric tier rogue weapon

(that wasn't even all that inspired)

[tiny minnow]

People get attached to stuff that gets removed. Like the Eagle Artillery at TH17 on Clash of Clans

[distant gyro]

to be fair

the eagle is pretty cool

as i said though it's understandable if you were over one fewer auric rogue

the pan itself is probably the least cool pan weapon i know

dead cells panchaku floors it and even burnt pan kinda floors it but only as the flowey fight attack as obviously the undertale player attack system is not the most sophisticated thing out there

[frail fox]

Truly all the people want is an auric tier rogue weapon with 0 visual clutter and/or not annoying to use

(Not that pan was an ideal example of that cause it was still boring)

[distant gyro]

is seraphim either of the two anyway

[frail fox]

6000 light beams or something

[distant gyro]

definitely former for wrathwing and latter for final dawn

[thin lake]

include a stout shako + dangeresque too? vanity item and then it can be called different

[craggy girder]

will it be on powertier with auric pan or is this image relevant by making it suck

[grim tusk]

it will be unexpected

and not a pan clone

[grim tusk]

Poker has a rework planned but I'm waiting on [redacted] to be given the go

[misty lichen]

yea

easier to redo existing weapons to not be horrible for that instead of a whole new thing

[craggy girder]

i thought utensil poker was gonna be its upgrade im ngl

its such an odd weapon thats just
out there

[visual crater]

It's not the fact it's a frying pan that doesn't function as a frying pan, it's the idea of smacking something with the pan

[tiny minnow]

It’d be funny if there was a frying pan hat referencing some people’s annoyance of it being removed and of course Brock from Pokémon.

[lucid marsh]

I do wish there were undertale references kept

[tiny minnow]

That’s Get Fixed Boi’s job.
Unless they were changed too

[plush flame]

Bees_008.ogg got removed yeah or whatever the file is named

[grim tusk]

sans undertale on GetFixedBoi

[tiny minnow]

I don’t know what that is.
I was on about GFB Calamitas Clone and (possibly) Ravager.

[plush flame]

shayy's bees line for the gfb hive nuke

[tiny minnow]

Oh ok.

That’s totally fair then.

(I’m nowhere near a good enough player to play GetFixedBoi)

[glass arch]

(its not a good player check it just sucks ass)

[tiny minnow]

That includes vanilla. Only got to the Eater of Worlds on vanilla FTW.

[worthy lintel]

for the worthy is a pure knowledge check

sucking at it only factors for like

25% of the reason you can't do it

i dont have the patience for it either

[prisma sedge]

Personally, I didn't have the worst time with FTW, it felt more reasonable as a "hard mode" for someone that's already used to expert mode...but GFB is awful

[craggy girder]

how do i phrase my suggestion

my point im tryna make is that some items dont have normal drops in normal ways, and people who are just looking for the item itself might not know that
(elysian aegis/wings only get a brief mention in the summoning item, the calclone twins drop weapons, etc etc)

my suggestion (if i can phrase it) is to provide a mention (in lore somehow) of what it comes from

like havocs breath mentioning it being repurposed from the construct

(not directly, but better phrased)

or the wings saying something about them and hallow stuffs

[tepid crown]

elysian aegis and wings are going to be obtainable in every biome next update btw

[craggy girder]

oh cool

then i suppose just the clone weapons ?

theres gotta be more items that a person might want, but drops in a niche way (like not from boss drops/crafting)

oh like the evil smasher

thats one more of. two

oh or like the draedon weapons

they only drop depending on the last mech defeated thats like 12 more

well,
some of them do state what enemy they're from as their like
actual name

ares exoskeleton thanatos spine

[glass arch]

wh

why in lore

thats like

not a lore thing

[craggy girder]

the text under its description

idk whats its called, in mc its called lore for some reason

[glass arch]

tooltip thats called a tooltip

[craggy girder]

yes

that

some items already have something similar and others (that are harder to obtain bc niche requirements) dont tend to

[glass arch]

anyways idk a lot of this seems like stuff that would be really clunky to communicate to the player

[craggy girder]

not really

yknow on like
ark of the cosmos

it says "blades sharp enough to cut through the fabric of reality" and it does infact do that

similar effect

[glass arch]

no

it isnt

[craggy girder]

im talking out of my ass here but still

[glass arch]

its in fact nowhere near that because aotc has a long as shit tooltip

[craggy girder]

i meant its preupgrade but the text right at the bottom

previous upgrade

im tired as shit im sorry

[glass arch]

aote also has a long as shit tooltip to explain what that means

[craggy girder]

im not mentioning that

im mentioning the little text tidbit at the bottom

[drowsy plank]

are you talking about this

[craggy girder]

yes that

[drowsy plank]

what do you want it to say there again im having trouble following

[craggy girder]

some indistinct but still specific mention on how to get the item

or however it may be

[drowsy plank]

i guess my real question after that is like

[plush flame]

i'm not sure if that would even do anything

[drowsy plank]

why do crushsaw crasher or havoc's breath need that

[craggy girder]

idk

[plush flame]

you'd see it either by putting a material in the guide's crafting menu or in recipe browser

[craggy girder]

again, speaking out of my ass, elysian aegis and wings would be the one to have it if they werent getting that restriction removed

[plush flame]

or the wiki

[craggy girder]

on the recipe browser is where id expect people who are looking for weapons without wiki to see it

yes

[plush flame]

the only thing is

that tells you the recipe

[drowsy plank]

i think the idea moreso is like

[craggy girder]

people might not know how to get that aforementioned item

[drowsy plank]

you're trying to make bloodsoaked crasher let's say

[craggy girder]

-# thats an item ?

[drowsy plank]

the upgrade to crushsaw crasher...?

[craggy girder]

ive never heard of it in my life

[drowsy plank]

this is the only viable scenario where this matters you realize right

[craggy girder]

but go off yes

if its viewed in a recipe

[drowsy plank]

because otherwise the person would not know about the weapon

if you find it's recipe using the guide specifically via bloodstone cores, you'll see crushsaw as a component, and not know how to get it

that is technically possible

however, if you use recipe browser or the wiki, it just

tells you how to get it

since recipe browser tells you what drops weapons

and the wiki is

well

the wiki

[craggy girder]

well yea but presuming people can always access the wiki isnt exactly realistic

[drowsy plank]

i guess like, maybe evil smasher? but it doesn't upgrade into anything so unless you find it the only way you're even going to know it exists is looking it up in the first place

if you can dowload the calamity mod you can reach the wiki

[craggy girder]

like if a person is playing purely calamity mod (for some reason)

[plush flame]

isnt evil smasher currently just from smashing altars which youre already rewarded for doing

[drowsy plank]

dont we literally have the wiki link ingame

[craggy girder]

idk this is so uberspecific

i just like having reference on how to get a thing ingame

without needing to refer to the wiki

[drowsy plank]

yes, but if it had an upgrade and someone just skipped smashing altars... then this could technically be a valid arugment

but like

it doesnt

[craggy girder]

yea bc it does nothing

[drowsy plank]

and i cant think of any other weapons even like evil smasher that do

this is true

fuck evil smasher all my homies hate evil smasher

[craggy girder]

but like on the crasher or the

theeee

[drowsy plank]

but yeah if a weapon has a weird esoteric obtainment method that is outside "craft or enemy drop" then it is hard to find what the weapon does without using the wiki but also like

[craggy girder]

havocs doenst upgrade

[drowsy plank]

terraria is a wiki game to the point calamity actively advertises its wiki ingame

so it's

whatever

[craggy girder]

this is kinda my point

[plush flame]

even then evil smasher's theoretical problem would be fixed (trying to tread super carefully because i dont remember whats public and whats patreon)

[craggy girder]

if its not the normal "drop from thing" or "craft from made thing" its hard to get and people may not use it if they dont see it

[craggy girder]

the fact you cant swap from it to another item without losing the stats

or is this another problem

[plush flame]

obtainment of evil smasher

[drowsy plank]

evil smasher is more an example than actually important to the conversation

[craggy girder]

the "smash 12 altars" thing

[craggy girder]

^

[drowsy plank]

the point is that weapons outside of killing and crafting are hard to find because even ingame tools don't really help with that

and i guess if we are talking about the 0.5% of players that like. dont use the wiki or downloaded the game before going off the bumfuck nowhere with no internet then

i guess it could be mildly inconvient for them

[craggy girder]

yea this is the niche im appealing to (i play this game at 3 am when theres no internet

[indigo yacht]

you were talking about the calclone brothers drops right

[craggy girder]

mhm

[indigo yacht]

and you want a mention in the tooltip right

[drowsy plank]

they were mentioned but like i said, recipe browser shows you how to get them so it's more about a design philosophy than anything

[indigo yacht]

yeah i was going to say

you can just see they're dropped from the constructs in recipe browser

[craggy girder]

less of a "people dont know" and more of a "if a baby played this and needed to find the item, they could see it in recipe later and think hmm how make this"

[drowsy plank]

i dont wanna be like
welcome back to the 90s or some shit where people just had to mash on their controllers until something happens but like. maybe sometimes u are just going to have to find the weapons through experimentation my man. the number of weapons that actually fall into this niche of not being a drop or a craft i could probably count on my hands

[craggy girder]

this is true

i mean oftentimes the colors help?? maybe????

like maaaaybe you could piece this together??

(at a 25% chance .)

[drowsy plank]

it's like
the shrine items
rox if it didn't have that dogass recipe for no reason
evil crusher
murasama but that's kinda just a shrine item and you can also find it with the lab locator
and maybe stuff you get by throwing it into shimmer because recipe browser doesnt list that by default for some fucking reason but you can download that shimmer QoL mod and it just. adds them in so like??? no clue what's going on there

[craggy girder]

yea the shimmer items are also something

like the life fruits give tooltip lore abt their flavors

[drowsy plank]

also calamitas's exhumes

[craggy girder]

that too

[drowsy plank]

u know what

[craggy girder]

you see kinda what im making here though right

[drowsy plank]

u know actually if you wanna make a suggestion

[craggy girder]

i dont know how to title it nor how to phrase

[drowsy plank]

ask calamity to add scal exhumes into recipe browser like how shimmer QoL adds shimmering items to recipe browser

that would probably be actually useful

[plush flame]

cal exhumes at least have the brimstone locus and its just like "go hunt have fun"

[drowsy plank]

oh right

i forgot we already had a solution for that

LOL

shimmer locus when

[craggy girder]

the locus should give like
riddles i think /hj

[plush flame]

and its forced into your inventory when you beat her for the first time iirc

[craggy girder]

like "go find this bag
its really old
its from mage
and some sorta ghoul"

[plush flame]

honestly i think minor puzzles like my vague hints in cat can work to some extent

[craggy girder]

(for gruesome

[plush flame]

vengeful spirits' skull

[craggy girder]

yea something like that

idk im really fuckin tired for some reason

had a bunch of energy and now it is kaput

[plush flame]

vague pointers that you could figure out from reading the lore holy shit i think this is a goldmine

[craggy girder]

see this is what im cooking

[indigo yacht]

i don't suppose I'm allowed to resuggest this

[errant wren]

it's been uhhh

10 months-ish

maybe

maybe you could

[crude geode]

very definitive answer

[golden sonnet]

if it was explicitly rejected then no

if it was from before major shifts in the team, or it didn't get to voting, or got an inconclusive response then yes

[errant wren]

february...

didn't uhh

i think a bit of something happened between february and now

[golden sonnet]

I guess I should have been more clear, I mostly meant pre 22

[errant wren]

nevermind then

[golden sonnet]

as much as fab was an iron fist, I don't think they ever interfered with sugg voting, at least not that recently

[north oracle]

that suggestion specifically wouldn't be great to resuggest considering a lot of the reasoning revolves around having nothing to do in evil biomes post ML, and evil2s are going to post ML

that being said... maybe killing evil2 could halt it

[errant wren]

that would be thematic, i think

[crude geode]

isn't there other mods for this

[north oracle]

begone evil

[crude geode]

yeah

[tardy geyser]

Theres also journey mode

[keen zodiac]

peak

[indigo yacht]

makes sense

i dont remember what my reasoning was

[misty lichen]

except for when he did

[indigo yacht]

‼️ ‼️

[thin lake]

has mine been voted on yet, idk if i was supposed to get pinged

[glass arch]

yeah it got checkmarked

[thin lake]

LET'S GOOOOOOO

[prisma sedge]

Well to be fair, the checkmark itself doesn't say anything about the voting results, it just means that it's in the process of being voted on

So we don't know if it's getting passed or not yet

[thin lake]

aw

[worn elk]

does every suggestion go to the voting channel as long as it follows all the requirements?

[prisma sedge]

Wait, I misread that
Yeah, they all go into the channel if they don't have the exclamation point under them

[north oracle]

(or the 🗜️ )

[humble scarab]

And if the bot is alive

[clever canopy]

Can you explain why the set bonus makes normal playthroughs worse? Barely anyone used it pre-cooldown fix, and with the fix there's no point intentionally using it outside of skyblock or some other challenge

Feels a little like something that's very useful in an incredibly niche scenario is now being judged based on that incredibly niche scenario as too OP

[ripe owl]

wait what cooldown fix

[clever canopy]

Before the thanksgiving patch the cooldown on the set bonus didn't work, so every ore you mined would have a chance of duping

There was always meant to be a 3-6 second cooldown after an ore was duped, it just didn't work

[ripe owl]

i mean

eh?

it doesn't make it outright useless in normal playthroughs tbh, so keeping it isn't gonna make anything worse

but deleting it is gonna be a bummer regardless of skyblock or not

[clever canopy]

I should clarify that I don't mind the cooldown fix at all, but removing the set bonus altogether feels actively anti-fun

[ripe owl]

yeah

[worthy lintel]

ima be real before that video i completely forgot calamity changes the mining set

most players never stumble on a full set either before it gets painfully outclassed

there is so much ore in a world you will never need to farm in the first place

[olive saddle]

i kinda like how vanilla pretty much has one mining set and thats it

[worthy lintel]

but yes killing for the sake of killing is indeed lame

skyblocking or not

[clever canopy]

I've yet to hear of a single person using it in a "normal playthrough", and as the person that popularised the strategy I'm probably more likely to hear about it than others

It's just a less efficient method of getting ores than pretty much anything else, especially after the cooldown fix

[worthy lintel]

difficulty of acquisition + calamity boosting default mining speed to such a degree the difference is not worth it

thats pretty much all there is to it

i like the idea of a mining set but its completely outclassed by cal alone

[clever canopy]

This isn't some meta-defining strategy like reaver shark or trasher stacking

[olive saddle]

personal feedback: i dont mind another mining set or even a building set but having marnite exist (i think that gives a similar bonus) and reaver not super long after is extremely unhealthy for it imo

i wouldnt mind a post ml mining set instead of reaver, and marnite being purely building, but dont take that as advice or gospel, just my personal opinion

[clever canopy]

The post-ML mining set is the drill containment unit

[olive saddle]

you're right i keep forgetting it exists

kinda feels like no matter what you do tho itll always be pretty obscure

even if its just 40 luminite

i feel like people are gonna be so hardcoded to ignore it that they wont realize its way easier to get

that might be my personal experience speaking

[worthy lintel]

thats vanilla stuff for you

despite sizeable buffs, ore armors still see criminal underuse unless its gold or plat

because, well, its vanilla, so people are hardwired to think its trash

[olive saddle]

the unfortunate part of designing on fun and silliness is you get stuff like the drill containment unit recipe

[worthy lintel]

drill is also flat out worse than just wipping out celebration mk2 loaded with rocket IVs

[coral carbon]

theres different uses

celebration mk2 is mindless destruction

dcu is fairly controlled

[olive saddle]

i still personally think a lot of them just aren't good. only fine one i used was tin with minishark, and platinum.
lead and iron are good too
others from what i remember just feel kind of wasteful. copper having +2 damage feels kinda not great but i probably know why
I forget tungsten and silver

[coral carbon]

and you're actually getting the blocks you mine up

[worthy lintel]

also its a personal thing but a tool that simultaneously hammers and drills is such a sin

drill keeps trying to hammer blocks it immediately destroys

🐴

[olive saddle]

i think its satisfying as hell to see the hammered ends of the tunnel i just bored out

and to hear more block noises

[clever canopy]

Lead is straight up the best armor set until you beat skeletron for the cobalt shield

[glass arch]

copper armor is also really good on fast weapons

[olive saddle]

lead is very strong though i personally prefer to play without kb resist when possible

[olive saddle]

not really

if you're in the scenario where you're using a fast weapon unless the enemy/boss you're fighting has less than 4 armor tin is generally better

[worthy lintel]

you are the first user i have ever seen in a public chat claim to avoid knockback resist and you have piqued my interest as to why

[glass arch]

something else being better does not mean something is not good on its own

hellborn is stronger than slick cane but slick cane is still a fucking ridiculous item

[olive saddle]

another accessory slot i could use on damage or mobility. also kb resist is on rams and i fucking hate rams

[olive saddle]

isnt this a not great comparison because they're two entirely different weapons that are attached to different classes and are in different places

i understand what you mean

shark tooth + copper can be good

i think

[glass arch]

copper on its own is good

its not "can be good" no it just IS good

[olive saddle]

wait does king slime have any defense

[glass arch]

10

[olive saddle]

ok nvm i thought he had 0 for some reason

[ripe owl]

I've known about it before Skyblock and actively used mining over reaver because of it

[clever canopy]

Wdym used mining armor over reaver? They serve two different purposes

Oh you mean reaver armor not reaver shark

[ripe owl]

yeah

[clever canopy]

My bad

[ripe owl]

armor has a mining set bonus but it's nigh unimportant when you have all the mining accessories which maxes out your mining speed

so yeah, throw in the dupe as a nice bonus

[clever canopy]

That's the thing, it's a nice bonus with significant downsides (defense, damage, utility) in a normal playthrough, it's nowhere near this ubiquitous OP armor that is ruining playthroughs

What I meant when I said no one is using it in a normal playthrough is no one is doing what I did in skyblock of placing down a bunch of ores just to break them and repeat to "farm" ores, or at least it would be pointless to do it after the cooldown was fixed

[ripe owl]

it would be pointless period

like you aren't deliberately going to do that when there's a bunch of veins of the same ore everywhere in the world

if it was like Fargo's World Shaper Soul where you literally can place infinite blocks and instantly mine them, then I'd argue

[clever canopy]

Plus Onyx Excavator is literally right there, if anything mining related needs a nerf it's that thing

[golden sonnet]

Most of the discussion in Dev was around it exponentially scaling and the ability to completely avoid risky mining areas like the abyss after you get a single ore. Most of those issues are fixed with the cool down being properly set so I can bring up the topic again with those that were more passionate about removing it than I am. That being said, in order to make it not invalidate normal mining it was/is made so tedious it's only useful in niche challenge runs, which begs the question why exist at all. At the point it only exists for self restricted playthroughs it would be better to alter the set bonus to be more unique. In Dev we had discussions around the set bonus being the ability to throw a sticky dynamite every x amount of time for free, or the ability to cleave blocks when mining, etc. I feel something like this would be more unique, useful, and not present balancing issues that require it being delegated to game breaking or useless

Regardless, mining armor is still unchanged in Dev and it's all just discussions atm. Discussions that aren't a huge priority with SSO stuff being the focus, so if it does get changed it may be a decent bit in the future.

[clever canopy]

It's still useful in normal playthroughs, just not in the same way it's useful in challenge runs. In a normal playthrough you get some bonus ore when you're out mining normally, you still benefit from the armor just less so than someone in a challenge run where that's the only way to get certain ores

[drowsy plank]

if the discussion around it is why does the effect exist at all and the team wants to replace it, you could always move the ore duping effect to something nobody ever uses like spelunker amulet or smthn

[golden sonnet]

Peak????

[drowsy plank]

that way mining could still get a useful effect and something that's dogshit could actually do something

[golden sonnet]

It'd be obtainable in skyblock too, but the HM lock would make the run much more tedious

[drowsy plank]

oh for sure, but at the end of the day, it's a challenge run, and from what i remember, you just need to be able to dupe suevite, right?

[golden sonnet]

God I forgot how dogshit this item is, especially given one of the things in SSO I can't remember if has been spoiled yet

[drowsy plank]

most of this stuff will become irrelevant when 1.4.5 just. adds a skyblock seed, but i think that could work in the short term

[golden sonnet]

Yes, but the ability to dupe early game ores for building blocks and crafting makes the run much more reasonable

The alternative is farming slimes for like 10 years if you want ore stuff

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah dont get me wrong i entirely agree but if the difference is it doesnt exist at all or it's harder to get id take the latter any day

[clever canopy]

Correct, the rest of the ore duping is mainly utility. However not having it early game would make pre-king slime much more grindy since the only blocks would be from 1/80 slime drops

[clever canopy]

Only if Calamity also adds skyblock support though, since vanilla skyblock will only make vanilla items obtainable

[golden sonnet]

We generally don't plan to support special seeds due to 1.4.5 having so many combinations of them. But if it isn't beyond my skill level I will personally add calamity skyblock support in any way needed

As I love fun challenge runs like low% and skyblock

[drowsy plank]

obvs, my point is that most of the skyblock work will probably come when the skyblock seed exists, but in the meantime, we could at least do this

something else i was going to mention is you could just like... change the spelunker amulet recipe? like i said, nobody uses this fucking item, if the desire is to make it The Calamity Skyblock Item with the death of Mining armor set bonus, you very much could

[clever canopy]

At the same time I'm already thinking about how you could speed this up by using blood moons in the underground layer for increased spawn rates, it wouldn't be game breaking just game changing

[clever canopy]

If you ever want a hand with designing what that looks like feel free to reach out to me

[golden sonnet]

For sure, I'll bring up the possibility once people respond about my post about if it's still an issue in dev

As I do like giving spelunker amulet another affect even if we don't change the recipe as it really sucks atm

[drowsy plank]

make it like, 20 gold bars and 7 spelunker potions at a hellforge and that still keeps it skyblock viable while making it hard to get in normal play throughs (p sure gold and spelunk both drop from slimes? right? and hell is hard to reach and 20 gold is a lot that you could be using on armor or tools)

but that's implementation speculation at that point

[golden sonnet]

Yes those both drop from slimes

[drowsy plank]

you get my idea tho

[golden sonnet]

The bars would take a long time though as mentioned prior

[clever canopy]

What if it was a hand full of every ore? To get across the idea that this is a symbol of an adept miner

Makes it impossible to get without fishing, slime farming or exctractinating in a normal playthrough

[drowsy plank]

oh yes for sure obvs, but we dont need people in normal playthroughs getting 3 mining items in the first hour of gameplay, right? chisel, mining armor, and ancient fossils are already ubiquitous, my idea is just to make a recipe that is hard enough for normal runs that it isn't an instant pick, but still viable for skyblock

true

[golden sonnet]

It makes the recipe a lot messier, but I don't hate it.

[drowsy plank]

if worse comes to worse you can just make it gold and plat ore together

those are still hard to get and fit the same requirements

i guess someone could get it quickly if they found shimmer fast, but they could already do that plus they have shimmer so like tf you gonna be getting preboss with that that you couldnt already with the shimmer

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, making it high tier also bars planetoids making it easy. But by the time you are at planetoids for ore you are generally past infinite spelunker being much of an upgrade so eh

[half imp]

Me as well - I don't care about skyblock but I do believe we should support the vanilla seeds and it's a bit late for us to say we won't

[royal tapir]

Lowest priority ever

[indigo yacht]

Add 🐈 to Calamity

pretty please

[errant wren]

calamity town pets...

i'm not elaborating on that thought, i have to actually study right now

[royal tapir]

Now why do you suggest this the meower

[indigo yacht]

oh you know just a random idea i had

[mystic sandal]

⭐

[royal tapir]

🐱 is in Calamity

[storm surge]

Would wulfrum being a placable block make sense?

Too much work for something for skyblock?

[golden sonnet]

Wulfrum plating is the wulfrum block, so wouldn't really make sense

[storm surge]

many blocks that can be refined into a "brick" variant when crafted with stones can also be placed in their rough form

this'd give a way to expand a 1-block skyblock without the need for mining set bonus dupe

plating is pretty much the wulfrum "brick"

[royal tapir]

Yeah nah I don't think Metal Scraps are particularly placeable, and adding this just for skyblock would not happen

However on a completely separate note why does Wulfrum Plating need a Heavy Work Bench to craft

It should be a Furnace like 90% of bricks

[errant wren]

"permanent wulfrum scaffolding" or something and it's like 10 scraps for one block

[golden sonnet]

good point tbh

[indigo yacht]

could be written a bit better but good suggestion otherwise

[storm surge]

wulfrum platforms

oh there are no wulfrum plating platforms

[drowsy plank]

@bleak karma what was the idea here man

[bleak karma]

Calamity texture pack changes it.

didn't know that until now.

[drowsy plank]

awesome

thank you ctp

#calamity-update-talk

[frail fox]

CTP thorn balls 💔

[stable stream]

oh sorry!

[ashen warren]

can someone help me 💔

[golden sonnet]

wait fr?

that's really funny

[bleak karma]

Practically camouflaged.

the middle color blends in too well with mud.

[drowsy plank]

goofy

[obsidian nova]

I thought one of the Calamity devs was also working at that game?

And what purpose is that?

[obsidian nova]

Or just color folly's lightning blue 7head

[indigo yacht]

what do you all have so many heads what is this

[drowsy plank]

@novel belfry

[novel belfry]

I know. But I wanted to highlight a problem i felt about recent changes

which is that these crate pools super duper suck now wth

[frail fox]

Why not just reword it to focus specifically on brimstone crates cause that seems to be the primary focus

[novel belfry]

what is this

[crude geode]

“I know the don’t I just chose to ignore it”
It’s still a don’t

and yeah you can just say buff brimstone crates

[frail fox]

Or just not word it like a revision and just say “these need loot” which is true!

[hollow shell]

Actually uh...

Was it intended for every single Calamity crate to lose all their biome specific drops? Aside from the Abyss weapons?

And one Starblight Soot drop and pet from Astral

[novel belfry]

I don't actually know

[hollow shell]

Cuz the announcement said it was just
"fixes Hardmode ores being improperly obtainable from crates."

[novel belfry]

This feels like a massive overcorrection, the kind that Fabsol would do

[hollow shell]

@royal tapir @half imp sugg dev regulars grant us your insight

[novel belfry]

Did the devs accidentally add a Fabsolian change and/or not check how much they nerfed crates

[hollow shell]

No need for the comparison

[crude geode]

Calling this a “fabsolian” change is extreme

[novel belfry]

i called it that becuase thats the kind of overcorrective change that fabsol would do

[drowsy plank]

yes

this was going to happen with SSO but because the changes are tied so closely with the fix the changes were just added immediately

[novel belfry]

anyhow i slightly reworded my sugg to be less "reversion" and more "please tune it slightly back"

[drowsy plank]

some of them will get some stuff back, but not yet

[hollow shell]

Quite strange.

Leaves the public version in an awkward spot

half implemented change

[novel belfry]

yeah this just reeks of oversight

[crude geode]

I still think it’s an extreme comparison that only serves to heighten tension. Even if you’re mad about the change, comparing it to something he did only really insults the people behind it

[novel belfry]

i do agree that its kinda extreme. im overly annoyed by this

[ripe owl]

Shoulda let it simmer a bit in your head in that case

[hollow shell]

I guess you can rest easy knowing it's not complete, this isn't the fully intended state of affairs

[novel belfry]

i think they kinda should've just left this for later

[hollow shell]

They should have

[ripe owl]

But then again

[storm surge]

This could just be a config, no?

[crude geode]

No

[storm surge]

"Revert crate changes"

[drowsy plank]

no

[hollow shell]

Absolutely not

[ripe owl]

Config this config that, and then the whole mod becomes a mess

[hollow shell]

Very rare that we have a change or addition that's, like,
temporary because something else is upcoming

Usually everything in the public version is in a complete and presentable state

(barring, yknow, bugs)

[crude geode]

I also think it’s kind of silly from a design standpoint, and we have precedent against it in vanilla crates like evil/hallow dropping souls/materials immediately in hm

[drowsy plank]

brim crates having essence of havoc would make sense... if we didnt already have fish of havoc

though, i suppose we have fish of night? so it could have both

[hollow shell]

Well obviously but I don't think that needs to be argued cuz there's a bunch more SSO changes pertaining to this that we're just missing

[crude geode]

True

[novel belfry]

anyhow here's a biome-specific crate from Vanilla

The HM corruption Defiled Crate

[drowsy plank]

you should be posting the hallowed crate

[novel belfry]

wait thats not the whole thing

[drowsy plank]

the corruption crate doesnt make sense because the calamity biomes dont have orb/chest loot like the vanilla biomes

[novel belfry]

heres the whole crate

[drowsy plank]

hallowed is a better comparison

furthermore, they still have most of that

[royal tapir]

Yeah

I have no more comment because I’m tired of this topic

[novel belfry]

Also, there SHOULD be items in the Crags crate, Ashen Chests HAVE ITEMS in their chests, even if they're not necessarily unique to it

[hollow shell]

Do you have an answer you already stated elsewhere that you can point us to?

[indigo yacht]

passionately fighting to protect all 2 people who fish for biome crates

[novel belfry]

and yet, you dont even get... the basic building blocks of the crags ANYWHERE

[drowsy plank]

the crags enemies drop slag

[novel belfry]

does that excuse the crags crate being like that

[drowsy plank]

no i agree it should probably get one or two items like hallowed and astral but that's not reverting them

they dont need all the stuff that was in there before

[novel belfry]

yeah thats why i rewrote my sugg, if it needs anymore rewriting then ya

[indigo yacht]

@novel belfry i understand what you're saying but why do you... i want to ask why do you care so much but that sounds rude so uhh why do you think this is important

that barely sounds less rude damn

[drowsy plank]

hi doze

do you think this should be unmarked bc im still unsure

[novel belfry]

because its a kinda dunzo change and i dont like how it was executed

[drowsy plank]

i think yall know pretty well people want at least a couple actually biome related things in the crates but it's not like. COMPLETELY invalid anymore

[indigo yacht]

is that it

i rarely ever see people fishing, much less for biome crates, but you seem quite passionate

[half imp]

TLDR is that the changes bring crates more in line with what vanilla crates are for, which is renewable chest loot. Also, all tier-locked stuff was removed as vanilla also never has tier locked stuff directly in crates (closest there is is the lockboxes)

I can't really say any more than that because I wasn't really for the change happening to begin with, so I'm not a good person to explain the reasons it was wanted

[half imp]

what should be unmarked?

[drowsy plank]

the suggestion in #suggestions-posting

[novel belfry]

well, that's what you see. for all i know literally half of terraria players could be fishing for biome crates

[glass arch]

overdones sugg

[half imp]

Buffing crate pools, why is it marked

[drowsy plank]

it was originally just asking them to be reverted so i was just making sure

[indigo yacht]

is this to say that you do spend a lot of time fishing

[drowsy plank]

it's pretty similar but if you think it's good then im cool with it

[half imp]

in the current state it is in I think it's fine

[drowsy plank]

just wanted confirmation

[indigo yacht]

because it's not really related to what i was asking

[half imp]

it's not asking for a reversion of the removals, just a buff of some sort

we are actually planning on buffing most of them some amount

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah and i am gonna say

as long as fish of night and fish of light exists i do think essence of havoc should be in hardmode crags crates

[indigo yacht]

sso will REMOVE BIOMES from calamity

[drowsy plank]

that would be more consistent with both vanilla and calamity

[half imp]

does havoc not have a fish?

[drowsy plank]

it does

[glass arch]

it does

[royal tapir]

Havocfish

[drowsy plank]

it was used as justification to not put essence of havoc in crags crates

[half imp]

We'd need to put the other two essences in crates too

[drowsy plank]

despite souls of light and souls of night also having fish and still being in crates

[indigo yacht]

they mean that since you can get souls via crates and fish you should also be able to get essence via crates and fish

[drowsy plank]

yeah i think sunlight being in sky crates and eleum being in snow crates is fine then

[royal tapir]

The other essences also have grab bag fish

[drowsy plank]

it's all consistency babie

[half imp]

we also add grab bag fish for light and night souls

so like

[royal tapir]

This fully depends on your opinion of essence fish

[half imp]

it makes sense for all of them to be a fish and crates both

or to remove night and light fish

[drowsy plank]

you can kill the fish if you want i dont think anyone would miss them, but either way the essences should be in crates by both vanilla and calamity's own logic

[half imp]

Personally I'd say crates make more sense than the fish in general

[drowsy plank]

make them quest fish

[glass arch]

i do think the fish are a bit redundant for light and night

[royal tapir]

The sprites are nice but that’s about the only attachment one could have

[half imp]

quest reward is always 60 essence

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[golden sonnet]

I feel we should just kill essence fish and add to crates

[half imp]

what if essence fish were actual swimming fish

[drowsy plank]

if there's cursedfish and ichorfish then you could totally turn the grab bag fish into quest fish

[hollow shell]

(I'm in the camp of preferring more miscellaneous biome materials in crates, like we had it before, rather than having crate loot all closely match vanilla

because then that incentivizes fishing in different locations

Otherwise all crates are basically interchangeable and that's rather uninteresting)

[half imp]

That'd be cool

[drowsy plank]

it'd be nice if the mod actually added some of those bc like

do u know any more that does

[golden sonnet]

ooh, like a critter? that'd be cool

[half imp]

yeah

[royal tapir]

Well isn’t 1.4.5 gonna do that

[indigo yacht]

essence fish are annoying because by the time I'm fishing in that biome I don't care about them anymore and they just waste time and bait

[half imp]

... Add a fish of light and fish of night critter?

[indigo yacht]

swimming fis

[royal tapir]

Make fish appear in water

[hollow shell]

Add active fish, presumably

[half imp]

Do we know if it's just visual while fishing or like actual critters?

my impression was the first

[royal tapir]

Mine too

[half imp]

I'd be saying to take the fish and kill the catchable item entirely, just make them critters

[hollow shell]

my spear fishing dream may still yet live

[royal tapir]

Well every critter is catchable

[indigo yacht]

what do they do when you kill them ann what do they do when you bug net them

[glass arch]

something something spriter hell

[indigo yacht]

can they do a backflip

[half imp]

code animation to save the day

[royal tapir]

Can they meow

[half imp]

I could make them code animated via BaseWormNPC pretty easily

[royal tapir]

Actually that'd be very easy

[indigo yacht]

yes

[glass arch]

ok but they're still diagonal

[royal tapir]

Go my Item56 or whatever

[half imp]

They're just quirky like that

okay actually diagonal fish would make code animation much harder

at least what I had in mind

[royal tapir]

Okay the convo has traveled the bikeshedding route

[half imp]

this is true

[hollow shell]

pipe it through a 45° rotation before applying any anims

[half imp]

for now I'll just add them to the crates and be done with it

[royal tapir]

What I can do is provide an exact answer of what has changed so far

[half imp]

I don't think my plan (prim trail rendering) would work with that well

[hollow shell]

Huh.

[royal tapir]

Calamity biome crates dropping Apprentice Bait instead of Journeyman Bait is an oversight made from the original changes over a year ago, and has been fixed
Prism Crates now drop Prism Shards
Brimstone Crates now drop Scorched Bone

This adds a biome-specific material to the crates which were lacking it

[hollow shell]

Well, that's something

[prisma sedge]

Actually not quite true, turtles and dolphins exist

I think there's dolphins, I'm actually not 100% sure
I know turtles work that way though

[storm surge]

Orcas

[drowsy plank]

those dont exist right now

they were in old console versions and arent being reimplemented til 1.4.5

[royal tapir]

The rule matters more than the exception

[half imp]

It is notable that turtles and dolphins are both water critters

there are more non-catchable water critters than there are catchable ones

are goldfish still a food item or are they releasable now

[prisma sedge]

Fair, but it's just worth noting that vanilla itself isn't much of a stickler for consistency

[hollow shell]

I don't think they've been a food item since, like,
vanilla 1.2.4

[umbral gazelle]

THEY WERE A FOOD ITEM!?

[hollow shell]

oooo I was close!

[royal tapir]

Goldfish make the Bowl of Soup

[hollow shell]

You're telling me a goldfish made this soup?

[umbral gazelle]

eating a raw goldfish,,,

[royal tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-fish-boomerang-flying-fish-gif-1517297779932674708

[prisma sedge]

Bowl of Soup? That sounds impractical, it'd just fall apart

[umbral gazelle]

just use Soupbending

[hollow shell]

Anyway

Can't wait for SSO

[storm surge]

"It's smiling, might be a good snack."

old desc iirc

[hollow shell]

(Still its description, cuz it's a joke about the irl snack food)

[storm surge]

oh wtf they removed the neptune shell crafting recipe

[hollow shell]

God how old are we

[crude geode]

SSO when Silksong DLC releases

(Bc we can’t make the joke of when Silksong releases bc it actually came out first)

[tardy geyser]

Silksong dlc will delay SSO by another 6 months

[half imp]

The snack that smiles back

[half imp]

oh I forgot that lol

[tardy geyser]

Whats angler stacking?

Oh its prob the golden fishing rod thing

[golden sonnet]

@bitter stream mining set bonus isn't changed?

[crude geode]

“One block mechanics”
Calamity has never been about catering to challenge runs (see every weapon subclass sugg being shot down). The closest you can say is low% and even then I’d say that’s a stretch

It was more happenstance that it could happen than anything else

[tardy geyser]

Theres this fix I guess? Sounds like you can still dupe though

[bitter stream]

Ok maybe i was wrong it's bug fix or something but my point is that this armor is totally useless now, i mean why do i need to grind several hours to get ts and at the same time i can get golden fishing rod in 5 mins and then i can go mine hellstone before evil boss

[umbral gazelle]

you mean the kill angler for golden rod?

i thought its removed

[crude geode]

as far as I can tell, it’s planned to be removed

[golden sonnet]

It is yes

As is reaver shark unnerfs

So funny comparisons

[crude geode]

Fr fr

[half imp]

For the record, free golden rod is going to be removed and reaver shark reverted to vanilla (pre boss hellstone is still possible just not this way)

it's not useless, mining armor still gives a ton of mining speed and makes you glow, both of which are very useful

[novel belfry]

well all im gonna say is

PREPARE for the backlash

[half imp]

and the duping still works, it's just more like once per vein

[half imp]

Free golden rod removal is coming hand in hand with fishing overhauls

so it'll probably be fine

[north oracle]

Removing QoL will always have a ton of backlash
It's like whatever

[keen zodiac]

"it'll probably be fine"

[crude geode]

People will yell a lot about it for a little while and then they’ll complain about some other removal

Such is the cycle of life in cal

[north oracle]

The reduction of intrusive unnecessary vanilla changes is good imo
We need a certain (very large) amount, but we don't need to mess with some stuff we do

[royal tapir]

It will always be better to have less innate QoL and allow people to add what they want externally than have a bunch of innate QoL with no way to remove it

[drowsy plank]

damn this sure is something calamity has never been known for what will we ever do

[novel belfry]

solution?

[crude geode]

No

[north oracle]

LMAO

[north oracle]

God there's an amidias for everything now

[crude geode]

Amidias that pays your taxes

[novel belfry]

have you seen the one i just posted in #calamity-update-talk

[north oracle]

I had not
Dear god

[golden sonnet]

People are still mad zenith is moved and think it's bad at post yharon despite being S tier. At a certain point you just need to move on and realize many people will hate no matter what and refuse to be informed.

[crude geode]

[north oracle]

I think people saying that haven't actually tried it properly
Like it's good lmao

[bitter stream]

Bro i can just buy a mining helmet or craft the magiluminescence, for mining speed i can get anciet chisel and ancient fossil, im using this set only for breaking platforms after placing instabridges for dog arena now. Also waiting for slime god gravity potion insta kill fix.

[golden sonnet]

It's fixed in the next major update. We can't release the fix by itself as it's mixed with all the ai and other changes

Light and mining speed also both stack

[half imp]

... Mining helmet is part of the mining armor

yes, you don't need the full set for the glow, but using the set still gives some ore duplication + mining speed

the mining speed also stacks with fossil and chisel as mentioned before

[drowsy plank]

isnt it also still the biggest source of mining speed in the game anyway?

[umbral gazelle]

wdym its not sss tier its automatically bad,,,,,...

[mystic sandal]

It’s not, it’s really good for mining speed

I use it a ton for excavating large areas in pre hm

Which I do a lot since I like playing hardcore

[wispy wraith]

its REALLY good

[indigo yacht]

@weary plaza just use magic storage

[drowsy plank]

1.4.5 is doing this anyway

[tepid crown]

yea it is

40ish seconds in

45 seconds

u can see how the potions they can craft while having the barrel open and while having the crafting menu open is identical

[grim tusk]

exclamed

vanilla is doing it anyways and this would be IL edit nightmare otherwise

and ofc Magic Storage (and alternatives) exist

[half imp]

Second part is not true

This would be very easy

Desert Scourge bag has to add items to crafting menu already

however yes this might be done by vanilla 1.4.5

[royal tapir]

This just isn't really Calamity's problem to solve, especially when moving away from being a centralized QoL mod

[weary plaza]

ok fair. im mostly playing with just cal and nothing else now and something that i was always dealing with was grabbing all the shit to craft items

if vanilla is doing it anyways then thats fine

[urban oracle]

hi not sure if this is late but, even vanilla biome crates give some materials in certain cases

like

HM evil biome crates give souls of night iirc? or cursed flames/ichor, idrm, maybe both

and hallow crates give crystal shards and souls of light iirc

I do absolutely think crate loot was FAR overtuned in calamity before (Seriously they gave like, basically every material from a biome. Abyss crates literally gave every single abyss material 😭 ) but i also think includin essences in the crates make sense per example

[gilded citrus]

Yeah essences make sense

[golden sonnet]

see this. They all have at least one biome material next update

[golden sonnet]

and some discussion is still happening

[urban oracle]

Makes sense

[craggy girder]

is this sinister minds

[hazy nacelle]

apparently vanilla biome crates can still drop higher tier bars before defeating any mechs so these crate changes are not working quite right

and this is looking highly cursed

[drowsy plank]

do you have a texture pack on or something

also this has already been submitted to #1052323733961977947

[hazy nacelle]

yes, it's a texture pack

[drowsy plank]

i cant find the thread but i saw CIT talking about fixing it for SSO so it's known and will be addressed eventually

[golden sonnet]

It was never "fixed", it just didn't get fully ported to public from dev version

so it will be correct in SSO yeah

[hazy nacelle]

what's up with the items being in the tables up to four times?

[drowsy plank]

well that would be fixing it

bc it's broken rn

[hazy nacelle]

even the ones that work have them at least twice

[drowsy plank]

i figured the semantics of it weren't important

[golden sonnet]

calamity removes the vanilla crate pool then adds its own to replace it

the mod showing the chances is (probably) still showing the removed ones

why some show it 4x isntead of 2x idk

[drowsy plank]

dynamo stem cells and affliction

[grim tusk]

@kind laurel its a bad idea to use “item is worthless for a suggestion”, are you basing them off their current strength or smth

[crude geode]

I want MORE one offs and LESS upgrades from devs who are paid MORE and I’m NOT joking

[grim tusk]

Affliction is a boring stat stick, literally all of the items that they said are worthless are more interesting

[drowsy plank]

i was focusing on those two specifically bc like

they're clearly known for how weak they are right

[grim tusk]

im 90% certain the guy is just basing off current strenth

[grim tusk]

or not knowing how they work

[drowsy plank]

like even from the start this was a flawed suggestion just from the list of items mentioned

[grim tusk]

cuz The Bee is literally fucking busted

[tepid crown]

void of calamity when its surrounded by 5 better damage sticks

[drowsy plank]

true

[grim tusk]

The only item there thats truly bad is Dynamo stem cells but that got a rework and buffs in SSO

[crude geode]

Affliction’s only claim to fame is being a multiplayer item and even then it’s just a stat stick

[frail fox]

In terms of viability it’s definitely not bad

[kind laurel]

I'm mostly going off them being one-offs that get forgotten in a tier and get overshadowed heavily

[grim tusk]

yea but leaves a lot to be desired and is quite inconsistent

pre-rework anyways

[tepid crown]

actually genuinely why the fuck does calclone have 3 fucking accessories. why isnt at least one of them crafted from ashes of calamity

[frail fox]

Quite good for higher base damage weapons in particular but yeah I agree

[kind laurel]

It's more "X is boring" than "X is bad"

[tepid crown]

toxic heart isnt boring

[kind laurel]

Has anyone used it past Moon Lord

[grim tusk]

Toxic Heart rework was great

[tepid crown]

does it need to be used past ml?

[grim tusk]

old Toxic Heart was 💀

[frail fox]

0 clue what that did but it was probably just “inflicts plague and plague seekers” or something boring

Extremely unmemorable

[grim tusk]

was just random invisible aura

that did barely any dmg and inflicted plague

[kind laurel]

Yeah? That was kinda a part of the point
Probably clarified this awfully (I'm new here sorry) but I'd like them to last longer through the game instead of being used for two bosses and sold for some gold

[grim tusk]

and didnt work half the time

[drowsy plank]

why

[frail fox]

Very typical

[crude geode]

Not everything has to last the entire gameeeee

[tepid crown]

ur thinking of plague hive

[grim tusk]

and funnily the Bee does due to being basically Multiscale from Pokemon with a damage boost

[kind laurel]

because it feels like a waste of an accessory?

[drowsy plank]

how is it a waste if it lasts two tiers

[grim tusk]

what?

[drowsy plank]

that's damn good runtime from what i can tell

[kind laurel]

idk I lose just delete it or something

[tepid crown]

toxic heart, as shade pointed out, had an invis aura, made you immune to plague and also gave you a sickness dot mult

[frail fox]

Ngl I feel like there’s been 3-4 accessories that do that but yeah ig

Very original theme

[drowsy plank]

well there was but now it's just alch flask and plague hive

[grim tusk]

Half from that is current one, where the aura actually fucking works and is visible and is dynamic

old one was comically bad

[thin lake]

i really wanna make a suggestion of a sidegrade to the nova beam reference weapon that's just the power beam but psychically controlled like in prime 4

but it's a SIS so i can't

[grim tusk]

Prime 4 just fucking came out

[drowsy plank]

lol

[thin lake]

yeah but we knew this since april LOL

[frail fox]

500 references immediately lets go

[thin lake]

i'm still waiting on my copy cause amazon sucks in california

[drowsy plank]

we need to add references to deltarune chapter 5 it doesnt matter if it isn't out yet gogogogogo

[crude geode]

[thin lake]

it would be really funny if you gave ranged a magic missile

[tepid crown]

yea they should add the truck asgore used to run over dess

[errant wren]

ah the bergentruck

[tepid crown]

its a subpar mount that instakills the new deer critter

thats it

[oblique birch]

Omg Toxic Heart slander

[tepid crown]

only if you have tipsy too

[thin lake]

it has its own element too so it's poorly optimized and everything else has a 99% resistance to it

[oblique birch]

It's a goated accessory there's no way

[grim tusk]

Toxic Heart + Any OD weapon + Evergreen Gin on Yharon

[oblique birch]

Toxic Heart boring 😭

It definitely has a niche and it's awesome at it

[drowsy plank]

i mean it's terraria

if the item doesnt have an upgrade that means it is bad and boring

[grim tusk]

Funny how OD weapons go from ok to great vs Yharon with the debuff mults

[crude geode]

^^^

[thin lake]

you can't blame the magic quiver for being underwhelming as fuck

and its vanilla upgrades

[drowsy plank]

im ngl steen i havent had any idea what you have been talking about since you basically joined this conversation

[thin lake]

a rare drop from an annoying cavern layer enemy that barely applies to the stage of the game you're in

[thin lake]

i apologize i have a headache and i have the patience of a toddler atm

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thin lake]

but yeah i wanted to jump in and say i want a psychic power beam reference in the future cause it would be funny if ranged got a magic missile that cost zero ammo that was purely a sidegrade

[indigo yacht]

because as we know boss drops in vanilla famously have upgrades later down the line- oh wait no they dont

there's a couple that do and calamity adds some recipes but that's not a rule

[frail fox]

This is why Amal Brain and BWS must die immediately

[indigo yacht]

amalgamated brain is a tragedy

[golden sonnet]

Guys, when evil 2 is moved to post ML amalgamated brain will finally be balanced

[plush flame]

yeah 1:43 inf exos with it

it fucks the game up if it kills basecal thanatos though

you can afk literally every boss with it outside of supreme ultramage

[crude geode]

Isn’t this just how every magic missile weapon works

[plush flame]

no they let you fire again once you let go even if a projectile still exists

[crude geode]

Oh

[mystic sandal]

Yes

It’s like the best accessory in the game

Mostly because of cheese

But even without cheese it’s fantastic

[plush flame]

yeah as long as youve got some critter statues set up its pretty good and its excellent on bosses with minions

[mystic sandal]

I’d say all the accessories you listed are quite good except maybe The Bee

Stem Cells is just a great ranger accessory up until about dog

And Void is a solid offensive boost for multiclass fans

[crude geode]

.

Byeah that sugg was bad, no need to harp on it more

[mystic sandal]

I should make a sugg

Yk one thing I realize, I think it’s really easy to just not know that a lot of the mid HM bosses exist unless you use checklist or wiki

[plush flame]

the bee's main thing is that it gets cucked by dr scaling

[mystic sandal]

Like Anahita is great, same with Deus

[plush flame]

so its only 33% instead of halved

[mystic sandal]

Those feel very well integrated

But then there’s like, Aureus and Ravager

Who honestly are really really easy to miss

[craggy girder]

there should probably be a list of items (like more condensed list than patchnotes) that are changed in sso 1/2

[crude geode]

Ravager is at least getting moved (and probably reworked)

[mystic sandal]

Aureus is made out of decently common materials so you might just come by the item naturally

[craggy girder]

so that way people dont suggest to change items that are already changed

[mystic sandal]

But Ravager, be honest do you mine lihzahrd brick

[craggy girder]

you dont mine it; you kill bohldohrs

[drowsy plank]

ravager is getting retiered and is prolly gonna get his own altar thing once he gets reworked

i think aureus's remote is gonna be related to the draedon computer kinda like pbg

the bigger issue is how tf u gonna learn about the decryption computer without stumbling into one of draedon's labs

[mystic sandal]

Tbf it’s hard to not find a Draedon lab

There’s a fucking gigantic one right above your base

There’s one in the underworld

The other three you can find through the tracker items

Maybe you just find an onyx excavator randomly like I did

Or one of the mini labs in the cavern layer

[drowsy plank]

the giant planetoid does help a lot but a lot of the rest are incredibly easy to miss

[craggy girder]

the labs could maybe be better defended but also alerted to the player

[tepid crown]

theres also sunken sea lab, which with sso making the sunken sea more prevelant as a whole in pre hm, will probably be more likely to be found

[drowsy plank]

true

[mystic sandal]

Honestly I think making the mechs drop blank lab trackers might be fun

[tepid crown]

theres also the fact that the labs are redesigned, which could entail them being bigger

[mystic sandal]

They are the first draedon creation the player fights I think

Outside of Laboratory Turret

[tepid crown]

burrower

they spawn in pre hm next update

[craggy girder]

having the sunken sea lab be better defended until like aerialite tier would be cool

[mystic sandal]

Oh right them

[golden sonnet]

I barely know her!

[tepid crown]

also armoured diggers are pre any hm boss

[mystic sandal]

I would leave it undefended pre boss bc there’s always this stutter between unlocking a decryption computer piece and decrypting the thing

[craggy girder]

like idk the order most people find them tend to be
sky > sea > underworld > whichever

[mystic sandal]

Like the decryption computer itself is post Skeletron I think

Even though the weapons are post evil 2

And it kinda goes like that for every schematic

[craggy girder]

the idea is that preboss you should NOT be able to get in here without major prep/cheese

but after you kill hive mind/perfs you're at least somewhat notable and draedon could show very mild interest at that

like at least a level of interest further than "bug on the ground"

[grim tusk]

i might do that for rogue update but theres way too many things changing

maybe summoner update but idk

altho doesnt the wiki already do that?

[drowsy plank]

they're talking about while yall are in dev hell like this

a list of things that are already changed so people dont keep asking them to be changed

doesnt need to specify what was changed, just that it was changed

[craggy girder]

this

like “List of items with planned reworks”

i presume the patch notes on release day will have more detail

[tepid crown]

if its just as vague as planned future reworks thats like basicslly every item

[craggy girder]

well no

[tepid crown]

if u mean next update, theres already charts for those

[craggy girder]

donde esta

i wish to see what items are gonna be majorly changed

[tepid crown]

what