suggestions-discussion

[glass arch]

if its outside of snow enrage you can fix that by

actuated chunks of snow blocks behind your arena

[golden sonnet]

Also cryogen biome enrage is already removed and in change logs for next update

[novel belfry]

yknow slightly unrelated but i much prefer Cryogen's ice spikes being used as an attack, like in infernum, rather than as a shield in base calamity

[glass arch]

sulph sea rework save us

[indigo yacht]

@sand jackal please read the suggestions document in the pins/channel description

[boreal lichen]

🙏

[drowsy plank]

@sand jackal Please read this document; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dRB4W_bVX7qj_wAwi-w2E6MTitvIpg0xafeAvKDsLyU/edit?usp=sharing

If you continue to post invalid suggestions you may be blocked from submitting them for a short time until we can be sure you have actually read the rules.

[sand jackal]

ok if i did smthn wrong my bad

ok those couldve been better IF i had read that before completly my fault if neede i can delete them

[keen zodiac]

remember, the purpose of a suggestion is to convince the devs why your idea should be in the game

and to a lesser extent the general public

[sand jackal]

ill keep that in mind too

[vocal wedge]

And they're not adding more bosses.

[sand jackal]

aw man

well to be fair lets say ive never opened most channels im just in this server because calamity is a great mod

[keen zodiac]

fair

[vocal wedge]

That's one way to avoid psychic damage.

[sand jackal]

anyways back to my mage infernum playthrough

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-calamity-devourer-of-gods-terraria-calamity-our-brains-are-shrinking-gif-17744917565857080227

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385098933973553254/1439729546562895872/image0.gif

[craggy girder]

can donor items have retiers or are they moreso inspecific ideas for items

[glass arch]

they can be retiered if the donor says its fine

[craggy girder]

i was typing an idea then realized the item is a donor item

(its a dev item too)

[glass arch]

any non-balance change to donor/dedicatee items has to go through the donor/dedicatee unless the donor/dedicatee cant be contacted

[craggy girder]

mm i see

its a shame that such a cool accessory is put in the "nana boo boo you cant use this"

[indigo yacht]

did you ask them?

[glass arch]

yeah you need to ask them before it gets suggested

[craggy girder]

i didnt know that precedent before posting

my bad

i don't know where to contact them

[drowsy plank]

you do realized profaned soul artifact exists, right

also you would contact moderation who would then provide a user ID for you to contact them via

im just

[craggy girder]

mm i see

[drowsy plank]

not really sure what your point is though?

[indigo yacht]

all the shadowspec weapons are effectively useless

[drowsy plank]

there is alternative to phantomic soul artifact, it's profaned soul artifact

which is why they are both soul artifacts and not soul crystals

[craggy girder]

its not a soul

its just an artifact

[drowsy plank]

this is like asking angellic alliance to be retiered because it need to be an alternative to. nucleogenesis or something

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Profaned_Soul_Artifact

oh you mean

[craggy girder]

this is what it is from the wiki

[drowsy plank]

right

that one

[craggy girder]

i mean phantomic, yes

[drowsy plank]

god the artifacts are stupid

[craggy girder]

lmfao

[drowsy plank]

i hope we ditch that naming scheme

it's not 2018 anymore we dont need to add 8 items with the same name

[craggy girder]

comparison

[drowsy plank]

i guess phantomic is the only one with soul in it because phantoplasm is already souls

or something

idfk

[craggy girder]

both accomplish similar goals but profaned is tiered for around post prov while phantomic is tiered for pre-DoG

[indigo yacht]

isn't profaned good enough to be used pre dog still

only one tier apart

[drowsy plank]

profaned is viable until endgame according to class setups

[indigo yacht]

it doesn't matter that much

[drowsy plank]

which makes sense because it was very good when i was using it during my most recent run

phantomic is just
stat stick 2 electric boogaloo

[craggy girder]

i remember it being pretty decent but is worse defensively than phantomic

[drowsy plank]

it's not even notably better than affliction or anything

[indigo yacht]

I'm not sure about that

[craggy girder]

like

if you want defense (for some reason) go phantomic
if you want offense go profaned

[drowsy plank]

i mean the 20% projectile damage reduction is cool and all but PSA has a fucking shield

[craggy girder]

what does it having a shield do exactly?

does it act similarly to Rover Drive where it preserves adren or

[glass arch]

yes

[craggy girder]

hm

i mean that does kinda lean it moreso to the offensive side no

[glass arch]

and also iirc caps out the damage you take on that hit

[craggy girder]

it has less defensive prowess than phantomic but if you're full damage then you're likely not taking much damage

[glass arch]

so every like 5 seconds you only take a max of like 25 damage

[craggy girder]

every how many

what the fuck why is it 5 seconds

[glass arch]

you do have to not get hit for all of those 5 seconds

[drowsy plank]

The barrier starts recharging 5 seconds after being hit
Recharging from zero to full charge takes 2 seconds
Being hit again while recharging restarts the charge timer

[craggy girder]

what on earth

[craggy girder]

i mean yea

in a bad world theres a chance you COULD be hit every 4 seconds

but presuming a person has any semblance of skill they arent doing that

[drowsy plank]

well yeah that's why it's a strong all around item, and generally better than phantomic which is just a stat stick, and not even one of the good ones honestly

[craggy girder]

which kiiinda makes phantomic the "i dont play much video game" alternative

[golden sonnet]

Don't think so, all shields have damage that breaks it bleed through

It's why dodges trigger after shields

[glass arch]

oh they do?

[craggy girder]

that ONE stat making it good defensively is actually kinda funny

like if it was similar to rover drive and was 10 seconds

then maybe phantomic would be slightly more useful

[glass arch]

i dont really know how shields in cal work because i play

well i dont play thats the issue

[golden sonnet]

PSA shield is small so kinda sucks, but has quick recharge and stacks with sponge

[craggy girder]

its small but if you're only taking damage >5 seconds then its good for keeping adren

[golden sonnet]

Sponge stacking is the big thing as it gives you what is essentially a bigger sponge shield that recharges faster than a bigger sponge shield would

[craggy girder]

quite funny

can i ! emoji my own suggestion

[golden sonnet]

It won't matter but sure

[craggy girder]

i CAN thats fun

[glass arch]

i mean yeah its just a self react

[craggy girder]

moreso me saying "i've learned as a person insert image of jesus with weed praying and stopping gunfire"

why DOES phantomic exist then if soul is just better

[serene vapor]

can i submit my own suggestion or should i wait

[craggy girder]

profaned*

[glass arch]

unless you somehow block yourself on the same account you're reacting with

[craggy girder]

no you can suggest

[glass arch]

the only limit for suggs is 2 suggs per person per voting period iirc

[serene vapor]

sounds fair

[glass arch]

and even then thats more of a soft limit its discouraged but usually not that enforced

[golden sonnet]

It's actually per day funny enough

[glass arch]

just an etiquette thing

[golden sonnet]

It probably should be per period

[glass arch]

you know what this means

sulph sea bubbles telegraphs

[craggy girder]

inoffensive and True gif

[serene vapor]

i definitely want to see the knockback removed, tier 1 acid rain is so annoying with them

[craggy girder]

if anything have some enemies shoot bubbles instead of them just spawning

[indigo yacht]

how is fishing made more annoying

[sleek sable]

you have to move

[glass arch]

they can spawn underneath you and knockback

[craggy girder]

the bubbles can show up in bad spots with underprep and most dont really feel the need to cut off the bottom of their fishing area

[indigo yacht]

do they pass through blocks

[serene vapor]

that one's a bit of a stretch as you can simply pillar up on a 1x15 obelisk and just fish from there

but it would be better if i didnt have to do that

[golden sonnet]

This makes every cast much longer

[glass arch]

or hook onto platforms

[craggy girder]

^

[glass arch]

that stops it from knocking you back iirc

[golden sonnet]

What you should do, not only for optimal fishing but also to block bubbles, is have a block one below the water surface to throw your bobber at

[indigo yacht]

do the bubbles pass through blocks

[serene vapor]

i'm okay with the bubbles as a visual thing, its the fact that they hit so hard and cause knockback that makes me hate them

[glass arch]

only sometimes

[indigo yacht]

what

[serene vapor]

no, don't think so

[indigo yacht]

then just??? stand on blocks when casting???

am i missing something

[glass arch]

for their first second or so of existing they can go through blocks iirc

[serene vapor]

its also annoying for the acid rain

[indigo yacht]

this is the most easily preventable irritation ever

[indigo yacht]

how thematic

[serene vapor]

the humble trasher:

[glass arch]

the humble spawn rate reducers:

[indigo yacht]

we're talking about bubbles

[serene vapor]

calming potions are annoying to craft and peace candles require you to seek out a rare enemy (pinky)

[craggy girder]

or use extra mods

[glass arch]

sunflower and town 👍

[indigo yacht]

there's always pink gel in the forest shrine

[serene vapor]

literally any terraria problem can be fixed by using extra mods

[serene vapor]

fair enough i suppose

still doesnt fix the acid rain problem in my opinion

[drowsy plank]

not true! you cannot fix terraria's engine being fucking ancient by putting mods on it because that is what the mods are built on

[craggy girder]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitty-cat-cat-gif-8943478768003977184

[fossil finch]

Yeah this is called dangerous biome needs preparation before obtaining its unique fishing rewards

[indigo yacht]

you all are acting like you can't just place like 8 blocks and then afk for hours

[tired haven]

You can by installing mods that circumvent main terraria loop and introduce you to a minigame

[glass arch]

most of those fishing rewards are not very good im not gonna lie

[indigo yacht]

acid rain sucks and removing bubbles from it would be nice there's no saving it tbh

[indigo yacht]

frog leg, abyssal amulet, reaver shark, and alluring bait

idk seems pretty worthwhile to me

[serene vapor]

frog leg is mediocre but everything else is good

[fossil finch]

Two of these can be obtained safer in the other ocean

[indigo yacht]

???

have you ever used it

[fossil finch]

Hell frog leg can be obtained anywhere can't it

[indigo yacht]

that's not relevant

[serene vapor]

no, not when fledgeling wings are so easy to craft

[fossil finch]

in any case that could be fixed easily by just adding better loot to the loot in the fish pool loot fish

[indigo yacht]

yeah checks out

frog leg buffs ALL vertical speed

including wings

it is goated

jump speed is a misleading name

[fossil finch]

in any case if the bubbles are so problematic simply destroy the vents they come out of

[drowsy plank]

cant u just break the little steam geysur things that make the bubbles or is that a different enviormental hazard

[indigo yacht]

you can just place blocks beneath you

[serene vapor]

the water generates the bubbles

[serene vapor]

only to have to break those blocks when it's time to go to the abyss

[indigo yacht]

why are you covering the whole ocean in blocks

[fossil finch]

You don't have to platform the entire sea

[indigo yacht]

Literally just place like 3

and then bam

you're done

[glass arch]

frog leg is surface in general yeah

[serene vapor]

i need room for acid rain

[indigo yacht]

you still hardly need to cover the whole ocean

and even then

is mining 2 blocks too much work to enter the abyss

i agree with you on the acid rain thing i just think your point about fishing doesnt make sense

[serene vapor]

i don't either, it was simply another minor nitpick on top of my major issue

[serene vapor]

i said this myself earlier

[keen zodiac]

the point is you shouldn't need to do any of that at all

[indigo yacht]

yeah they should let us teleport to the abyss

even better we should just not engage with the abyss at all and have chests that appear in our bases after we kill the respective bosses containing all the materials and equipment

[errant wren]

make the abyss a subworld that goes down forever

[serene vapor]

you're saying things that neither of us said

[indigo yacht]

that would be cool ngl

[serene vapor]

or implied

[indigo yacht]

I'm taking your arguments to their logical extremes

i think youre using the wrong ones

[serene vapor]

the wrong what

[indigo yacht]

arguments

[keen zodiac]

these extremes are very illogical

[errant wren]

what are we arguing right now?

[serene vapor]

i dont believe in the logical extremes of my argument, when did i ever say i did

[errant wren]

i read but i didn't process any of it

[indigo yacht]

well you're saying we shouldn't have to engage with a game mechanic that takes up time

bubbles complicate your ability to reach the abyss, and the abyss in general tries to stop you from going any deeper

[serene vapor]

i want a feature removed from the game because i think its purely annoying

[keen zodiac]

do the bubbles make gameplay more interesting or enjoyable?

no

[indigo yacht]

that's better, but also prone to subjectivity

i suppose many things are

[serene vapor]

if you do think the bubbles make gameplay more interesting/enjoyable, feel free to state why

[indigo yacht]

i dont lmfao

[serene vapor]

okay then

[indigo yacht]

i think they should just be underwater only

[errant wren]

i think bubbles should have a lingering damage effect when they pop never let me develop a game

[serene vapor]

sounds better

[keen zodiac]

i think the thermal vents should only be in abyss layer 3

the layer called

thermal vents

[craggy girder]

the depths and waters should have geysers instead of vents

[keen zodiac]

true

but still significantly less

[glass arch]

lifeform analyzer detection

@ornate mulch @frail ivy read the document pinned in this channel

[polar bison]

THANK YOU I was just thinking of this

[ornate mulch]

i am physically unable to read

[glass arch]

not my issue

[ornate mulch]

1984

[indigo yacht]

good suggestion, sure i guess, and good suggestion

[polar bison]

I'm back on that wiki hyperfixation and thus can hyperfocus on all of my gripes

[glass arch]

would be best to suggest each part of that removal separately

or just dont mention the demonic bone ash because its getting killed

[polar bison]

I gotta change that I didn't remember tat the time

[glass arch]

also probably best to not mention your previous suggestion in the second one

actually the second sugg might need to be reworded just to not mention future content

[polar bison]

Oooh fuck that’s not allowed you’re right

[drowsy plank]

@polar bison This is your third suggestion (not allowed) and you are also mentioning future content, and also, while @grave zinc is offline, there is no way in hell this is under 1k characters

[polar bison]

Fuck I couldn’t remember if there was a limit and I couldn’t find anything about it in my half assed search

Also (also) technically my first one was yesterday in my time zone

Joke

[glass arch]

its only 700 characters

so yeah no it is under 1k

[drowsy plank]

wild

[polar bison]

Well not joke it is true but I’m not trying to contest it

I did fix the issues in them tho!

I do have more but alas I must save them for tomorrow

[serene vapor]

#suggestions-posting message pretty sure its getting removed in the SSO

@polar bison

[keen zodiac]

not according to the changelogs

[serene vapor]

must be thinking of somethin else then

[keen zodiac]

unique debuffs 💚

a cool idea i had to rework wither in my minecraft mod is to make you take more damage each consecutive hit

ig that's just defense damage though

[wet anvil]

i didn't realize how similar a bunch of debuffs were until i played a couple calamity playthroughs back to back

makes a bunch of weapons that have "inflicts [blank] on hit" on the tooltip just not stick out anymore imo

[mystic sandal]

Holy shit we have been SUGGESTING

[tall mica]

Suggestion #234,281,374:

“Add a big gun that fires many laser projectiles please and have it do a debuff that deals -500 HP per second please!! thanks calamity devs”

[tepid crown]

demonic bone ash is the one thats getting killed

[gilded citrus]

Thought bone dust was also being removed

[tepid crown]

no that ones staying and absorbing demonic bone ashs recipes

[gilded citrus]

Oh ok

[half imp]

@polar bison armored digger has been removed/replaced so the spawn message one is pointless

And rendering weapons behind enemies is not practical

it's possible but it is a lot of work to change and wouldn't even be consistent since some enemies draw at different times

so to draw before all of them it would also need to draw before tiles

[polar bison]

Ooooh fuck I forgot there’s like a billion things in between those layers

[indigo yacht]

good suggestion

reasoning is a little shaky but it probably doesn't matter

[ornate mulch]

can we re add lava please

[crude geode]

No

[tardy geyser]

removed lava dropping from lava slimes

[fringe vigil]

😂

For me the lava isn't gone it's just switched to rogue and filled it's stealth bar

[olive saddle]

ah yes lets buff wither damage

one of the most lethal dots in the game

im not opposed if its at higher levels because i frames limit its max to 4

then again the max without is 6

[keen zodiac]

i'm also going to rework the wither itself and rebalance combat and gear across the board

all my changes are in context

[drowsy plank]

@broken mason this suggestion doesn't make any sense, you're phrasing this like a balance issue. if you want more rogue weapons at auric tier, you should be asking for that

@brittle bough read the rules document in the pins

[glass arch]

no more reference content

[golden sonnet]

Seared pan was a 10 second difference from wrath wing and exeblade/supernova

Rogue is really not in any different of a spot without it

[drowsy plank]

well it kinda is in the sense that now there is. four auric tier rogue weapons again

[distant gyro]

there's gonna be a difference but it's not gonna kill viability

seraphim is right there

[drowsy plank]

there was a reason people were happy seared pan was added originally is all i am going to say

i expect the "there is literally four post-yharon rogue weapons" suggestions are going to become a lot more common again

ignoring the two we just got and the fact that people probably just dont want things removed being common reasons for suggestions

[distant gyro]

4 is not a bad sample

there's currently 7 post-dog

which is gonna be 6

[glass arch]

hey guys thoughts on a suggestion to (mostly) revert exos back to their 1.5.1.3 state

[distant gyro]

and then 5 once T5A is auric

and T5A being auric also makes post-yharon rogue 5

[glass arch]

including the current telegraph and resistance changes in that state

i checked the doc its not against the rules

[distant gyro]

if this is serious i dont know what this means

people wont know what this means

you need to concentrate some kind of suggestion that's easily understandable to people who aren't patch nerds

into the title

[glass arch]

buff exos back to how they were in 2.0

[ripe owl]

Elaborate

[glass arch]

i dont know how to elaborate

[distant gyro]

like

"Increase the frequency of ultimate attacks from Exo Mechs"

[brittle bough]

Reminder that people generally love funny viable weapons too, also, the document really needs to be changed to be more inclusive, I feel it's far too overly restrictive and just reads like a way to prevent community engagement

[distant gyro]

is easily parsible

"just make it like version XYZ bro" actually makes no sense to most people

i think it's fair i forgot what 1.5.1.3 exos were like

that was over 3.5 years ago

[glass arch]

i only specified that one because it was the last version before 2.0 dropped that they had changes and i remember enjoying it then a hell of a lot more than current exos

[ripe owl]

The suggestions meant to solve the issues with the mod, not to force the devs to add every single thing suggested by the community

[distant gyro]

addition suggestions get nowhere

[ripe owl]

Imagine if everyone made a suggestion for their personal weapon

[distant gyro]

because devs never feel obligated to add things based on community suggestions

of all the suggestions that never get implemented, at least 80% of them want to add something

[frail fox]

Need to remember that dynamic pursuer doesn’t count and is bad

[distant gyro]

so it's more just out of efficiency

for every party involved

[brittle bough]

I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth

[distant gyro]

people don't have to make suggestions that get thrown into the ignored void and devs don't have to read them

[brittle bough]

An idea simply not getting in is 1 thing, happens all the time in development

[distant gyro]

approved suggestion circa... 2022!

[broken mason]

More Auric-tier rogue weapons, maybe just something simple like Auric kunai that summon lightning

Doesn't have to be complex or anything, damage just feels lackluster

[brittle bough]

Another thing entirely... Is completely preventing an idea from even being suggested in the 1st place, that's just gatekeeping most of the time and comes off as Devs going "We don't care"

The ability to suggest something at least means the Devs will take a look, and from there it's just normal development process

[ripe owl]

List any one of the Don'ts you don't feel justified and we'll try our best to explain why it is

[distant gyro]

this is subjective and all

but I think it's more disappointing to have the idea be greenlit and never see the light of day

having made that idea and making its way up to be the popular vote

[distant gyro]

like i dont know which party is happy seeing this

i guess if your entire purpose is to seek dev validation then you'd be okay with being allowed to throw ideas that get pooled into the void?

but like i dont think that's a good think to aim for

[brittle bough]

I've already said what I mean dude

[distant gyro]

well, my interpretation of "will take a look" is just that

you get the automated response of a suggestion passing or not

and the know that someone who is a calamity dev probably read it (this is not guaranteed so many suggestions even with the current system get 2 votes max)

[glass arch]

to sum up whats in the doc for easier reading

DONT: specific item/rework suggestions

this one is there because the mentality going on here is "your job is to point out the issue, the devs are going to figure out the solution"

DONT: broadly scoped suggestions

this one is fairly self explanatory, a suggestion of "overhaul the astral infection because currently it sucks" is a really really big ask

DONT: upcoming content suggestions

you probably dont have all the details on it, plus theres time for more indev changes to happen that would make your suggestion invalid

DONT: reference suggestions

calamity has a very large amount of these, we dont need more, also kinda falls under the specific item suggestion dont

DONT: readd removed items suggestions

they're gone for a reason and unless a dev has a really good idea they probably arent coming back

DONT: more accessory slots

balance nightmare plus other mods do that better than calamity would

DONT: joke suggestions

stop wasting everybody's time
sorry if this takes up too much room i got really focused on this and dont want to delete it

fuck that takes up way too much room

[crude geode]

[distant gyro]

im honestly surprised more accessory slots is suggested enough to warrant its own bullet point

you've gotta be a little silly to suggest that even if it wasn't there

[glass arch]

i am too im not gonna lie but im basically just parroting whats already on the doc

[crude geode]

It’s probably a holdover more than anything

[errant wren]

shadowspec tier wing slot

[glass arch]

no it wasnt on the old doc

[crude geode]

Oh

Wild

[distant gyro]

okay i did have something specific about references though because you may point out that they're still continuously being added to this day

reference additions tend to be pretty personal to the dev(s) that add the item... so like new arsenal taking AC6 inspirations because Xyk and Tri

they're inspos from devs thinking it'd be cool more than fanservice

[crude geode]

(Are some new/reworked weapons still references to RAM)

[distant gyro]

suggestions don't really carry that weight that dev references have

[crude geode]

(I can’t remember if that was pre or post fabsol)

[ripe owl]

It's Xyk's initiative

[glass arch]

i dont think the RAM collab was because of fab so pretty sure its all staying

[distant gyro]

RAM is actively a Xyk collab

[ripe owl]

Transformer is a Collider bot reference and new Starmada is a Steeltoe bot reference

(amateur RAM fan here)

[crude geode]

Gotcha gotcha

[ripe owl]

Xyk is actually one of the RAM testers so he managed to snatch a collab

[glass arch]

same goes for broadly scoped suggs

[brittle bough]

I feel like the last Don't... Kinda proves my point about it being to prevent community engagement purely due to the wording under the actual Don't... To me there's only really a couple of valid ones there primarily due to problematic wording on the rest that makes it feel like they're exclusively an unhealthy gatekeeping situation of "We're always right, don't even try"

The obvious valid Don't, especially due to the wording, is the 1 about additional Accessory Slots

[glass arch]

if a suggestion is made without the poster taking it seriously why should anybody else take it seriously

[indigo yacht]

how do i say a suggestion is bad without sounding rude

[crude geode]

(Just point at the don’ts)

[brittle bough]

The issue isn't the Don't itself on that particular 1, it's the explanation wording, as I said

[glass arch]

its not even that bad wording

[brittle bough]

It's legitimately just rude and throws off the entire vibe of the purpose of the "Don't"s

The Accessory Slots Don't? A clear, concise, respectful, even a bit technical, and yes, professional explanation

[glass arch]

i can reword it

because the doc has it worded a lot better

my message isnt meant to be like the final ultimate summary of the donts section its important to remember that its just me paraphrasing

[indigo yacht]

I'd argue it's pretty rude to make a joke suggestion with the express purpose of wasting everyone's time, too

Most people who check this channel want to see actual suggestions

[distant gyro]

yeah there's a difference between community engagement and straight up ragebait

[brittle bough]

Please re-read what I said

[distant gyro]

the prime target of joke suggestions are trolls who want the reaction of their readers

[indigo yacht]

were you not talking about the "stop wasting everyone's time"

[distant gyro]

that's the audience the bullet is keen on handling

[crude geode]

(the eternal follow up after people have their joke suggestion deleted: “I wasn’t joking”)

[glass arch]

its also worth noting that the everyone in everyones time is in fact everyone

it applies to the poster too

[crude geode]

If people want to ragebait they can just like. go to reddit or some shit.

[indigo yacht]

@broken mason why not find an underpowered weapon at that stage and make a balance report

i feel that would be easier for everyone than making a new weapon

[brittle bough]

So you did get what I was saying... Why make it seem like was talking about the "Don't" title?

[glass arch]

except they didnt

[indigo yacht]

sigh

you're talking about how it sounded rude
i was basically saying I don't think it matters because what it's referring to is also being rude

[errant wren]

in general, i think the don'ts are mostly there so that the devs don't have to read through something that would get rejected if they did make it to devs (from my limited understanding)

[indigo yacht]

it's directed at people who are doing something unsavory rather than who are simply misinformed

there is a difference between someone who just doesn't know the proper rules for a suggestion and someone trying to mess around and be annoying

[distant gyro]

yeah

[glass arch]

you said (paraphrasing here) "its rude to say it like that" and in response elsie said (paraphrasing again) "id say its also rude to make a suggestion designed to waste time in the first place"

[distant gyro]

joke suggestions aren't ones that are "bad" or "don't meet the qualifications"

it's the ones that are literally like add poop fart ugandan knuckles so that calamity can finally be a good mod

[errant wren]

we're here mostly to guide people who do want to make suggestio- altix never utter those words again i wanted to suppress that from my mind

[indigo yacht]

i have seen some genuinely wild suggestions that broke like every rule except the joke one because the poster had actual good intentions and just didn't read the document

[distant gyro]

i did have to put up a point!

[crude geode]

Reminder that mage’s paraphrasing how the don’t is worded. this is how it is ‘officially’ worded

[brittle bough]

Ok... So... 1 problem with THAT wording

[indigo yacht]

what's the issue

[errant wren]

there is a double space in the reason

[crude geode]

shit

[errant wren]

double space found; entire don'ts disregarded

[brittle bough]

The specific issue there is it kinda... Still proves my point... Because most of the other "Don't"s do indeed have said intention, the equipment parts due to additional viable satisfying and/or funny weapon variety being added to the Mod or Readding stuff that would fit in, and the others(Except for the Accessory Slots "Don't", I don't think I can be more clear that I agree with that, additionally it either isn't necessary or can just be accomplished through outside sources if you really want more) can also be argued to have that same intention to improve the Mod

[indigo yacht]

I don't see how

it's just saying that "do not make suggestions you don't actually care about"

[errant wren]

most joke suggestions that i remember seeing have not ever been constructive of the mod

[drowsy plank]

there have been a few times that people have suggested stuff for gfb which i have mostly left untouched usually but i feel like you are not really understanding the point of this channel

[distant gyro]

gfb suggestions get implemented sometimes

i think ive seen it once but sometimes someone like cit will spawncamp an idea before it even gets posted because its funny

[drowsy plank]

this is true

[crude geode]

cit spawn camps suggestions in general tbfh

[indigo yacht]

this channel is where you put joke suggestions

[distant gyro]

boc inflicting anything in the buff index and thereby having a random ass 1/800 or something to spawn jared

[errant wren]

gfb is a whole other like, thing

[fringe vigil]

Funny question, what does gfb stand for?

[drowsy plank]

getfixedboi

[errant wren]

getfixedb- damn it i lost

[drowsy plank]

🐌

[crude geode]

🐌

[fringe vigil]

Thanks 🙂

[brittle bough]

... And here's where I officially give up...

[errant wren]

generally, though, a sugg should identify a place in calamity that has room for improvement

[crude geode]

^

[errant wren]

it might be a bit difficult to find something worth fixing, but that's the goal

like uhhhh

[indigo yacht]

Add Calamity to Calamity

How calamitous

[distant gyro]

erm... that already happened

[indigo yacht]

nuh uh

[errant wren]

epic sugg, 3 morbillion stars

[distant gyro]

add calamity to calamity has been invalid ever since 1.5

[indigo yacht]

photoshop

[errant wren]

waitwaitwait

add

calamity 2

[crude geode]

New shadowspec accessory when

also I swear I’m gonna have this stupid/glorious nickname until the next April fool’s

[coral carbon]

ok but so-

[distant gyro]

i might come to regret posting that

[indigo yacht]

go cast a ring into a volcano

[crude geode]

[north oracle]

...ok hear me out

[coral carbon]

I ALREADY DID THIS

[north oracle]

yes but you see i'm green

being green inherently makes me funnier

sorry

[oblique birch]

wow 2 pan suggestions

let the pan go guys

not that hard

[north oracle]

auric rogue is lacking now
but that's a different problem to "i want the pan back"

[distant gyro]

waffle's iron is always there

[oblique birch]

only the devil survives...

[keen zodiac]

here they come

(item replacement suggs)

[vocal wedge]

They should replace it with a screenshot of this exact message.

[craggy girder]

why not just
use a different item

shocked emoji. terrified emoji.

[umbral gazelle]

dynamic persuer

oh and seraphim too

[plush flame]

and wrathwing

[keen zodiac]

final dawn 🥀

[errant wren]

i do believe this was discussed somewhat

[plush flame]

bad sugg not just because bad formatting but i guarantee nobody else would want this

[proper basin]

@rotund summit heres your damn 2.0.6.2 so you can enjoy evil ass skeletron prime

took 3 minutes to send why is this wifi so mid

[rotund summit]

[proper basin]

anyways master mode sprime had like very few genuinely redeemable qualities

[rotund summit]

You're peak

[craggy girder]

it looked funny

[proper basin]

if they were to keep anything ig id just have the two heads stay and give them more... unique functions (like iunno when all the hands are down they could do different attacks but this is its own can of worms) . the rest of it was lowkey abysmal cheeks

[vocal wedge]

If anything the two heads is a nerf because it means two hitboxes to shoot.

I did think that part was cool, at least.

Everything else was... a choice.

[proper basin]

he did also have increased hp to counteract that (even moreso than he would have normally)

at least he supposedly did, wiki hp didnt change

[crude geode]

double cringe

[keen zodiac]

@modest sequoia reply to suggestions here

[rotund summit]

I think my suggestion was a really good idea

[proper basin]

toggle for sprime shlawg just make a different mod that readds masdeath prime ai or something

it was removed from the mod cuz it is bad for the mod

making it toggleable will not suddenly make it good

there is a reason things are shot dead instead of being tucked away in mod configs or something

[coral carbon]

I know we shouldnt dog on suggestions but oh my god a toggle 😭

[crude geode]

As soon as suggestion bot heard that Nycro was going out of town it killed itself btw

[coral carbon]

oh my god bruh

[tepid crown]

suggestion bot killed itself because it knew what would occur today

[errant cradle]

late but neither of the prime suggestions would pass because the fight was almost unanimously disliked amongst the dev team
you're better off either downgrading to the last version that had it or remaking the fight yourself in a separate mod if you have the means to do so

[vague bramble]

Why on earth would someone wanna do old sprime

😭

[coral carbon]

clearly there is demand

[tired haven]

That doesnt answer the question

[crude geode]

masochism

[errant cradle]

there's an audience for everything

[tired haven]

Fargos is down the hall and to the left

[errant cradle]

in some cases you only figure it out after what they liked is gone

[tepid crown]

calamity mod summoning fans of a deleted feature no one liked

[crude geode]

[lavish citrus]

which is like one unknown md sprime fan

[plush flame]

this implies that maso prime is poorly designed (its very easy but still a good boss)

if you want poor design go look at ftw prime in any mod except gameterraria (moon boulders are marginally better)

[tired haven]

Not really I just saw the word maso

[oblique birch]

Nycro's running back home on foot to kill these suggestions holy shit

what are these

[indigo yacht]

No

[dire warren]

hi there the hisser

[grim tusk]

To all people asking for a Seared Pan replacement, take a screenshot of me posting this image

(also pretty sure I revealed yesterday what I had as an idea on #calamity-mod-talk while I was drunk yesterday)

[crude geode]

🔥

[plush flame]

can we get the ummmm uhhh uhhhhhhh ummmmmm the uhhhhhhhhhhh yknow its the ummmmmmmmm

[mystic sandal]

can we remove seared pan? i know its already gone but i wanna kill it again for the hater credit

[crude geode]

clout chaser

real haters will post about removing any weapon

[gilded citrus]

Remove copper shortsword

[plush flame]

can you remove every patreon weapon i fucking hate patrons

[gilded citrus]

Ban patrons from this server

[mystic sandal]

ban staff mail

[gilded citrus]

Ban the moderators

[drowsy plank]

mod the banerators

[tiny minnow]

ok how many devs of this mod get drunk often

[glass arch]

often? probably not many
in general? probably a lot of them

[proper basin]

im sure satanist prime has something sbout him thats dogshit

[gilded citrus]

Is satanist even meant to be like
Fun or anything

[proper basin]

no

twin if you die you die an extra 10 times because fuck you

[vocal wedge]

Can you blame them for having to put up with THIS community?

[tiny minnow]

Fair enough.

[keen zodiac]

something something fabsol code

[errant wren]

fabsol caused my drinking problems (i've never had alcohol in my life)

[keen zodiac]

real and true

[half imp]

not me

every idea I've had has been 100% sober

[errant wren]

do you ever doze off

-# one of these days i'll pay the ultimate price

[indigo yacht]

high school

[half imp]

getting sent back to high school truly is the ultimate price

[gaunt crystal]

wait did something happen to midas prime?

[boreal lichen]

master death skeletron prime

[gaunt crystal]

OH

was about to say how did I miss that

[drowsy plank]

@tawdry glacier what do you even mean by this? you can still get other hardmode bars from the crates by just beating the mech bosses, you just can't get them all immediately

[tawdry glacier]

its not that

hellstone, auric ore, acidwood

[drowsy plank]

well you cant make suggestions about future content

oh huh wait

i thought those changes were coming in SSO

[tepid crown]

they were put in 2.0.7

[drowsy plank]

i thought this was just going to fix the crate bug but no the rest were moved early yeah

weird

[tepid crown]

iirc the bug wasnt fixed in 2.0.6 because these two changes were linked

so i think

cit?

[drowsy plank]

CIT yeah

[tepid crown]

made it so theyre out of sso

[drowsy plank]

and i believe you are right

[tawdry glacier]

Im all for the bug fix but im just sad that oneblock is impossible now

[drowsy plank]

i assume the rest of the stuff to make up for this in terms of renewability will likely be addressed in SSO, but it does suck that the run is basically unviable in the current patch

it's a bit too early to be asking for it to be reverted already though

ngl it does make astral crate kinda hilarious

like what is this boneless ass loot table

[tawdry glacier]

👆

[tepid crown]

tbf this is like

[frail fox]

Astral moment

[tepid crown]

identical to divine crate except crystal shard/soul of light is switched with starblight soot

[drowsy plank]

fuck wait they did it to brimstone crates too

i suppose

[tawdry glacier]

mhm and thats where the hellstone came from

[drowsy plank]

literally the only crate that even has a purpose now is sulph/hydro

that's p funny ngl

[proper basin]

holy peak

[tepid crown]

brimstone crate could technically have olc and ashen stalactite as loot since theyre technically crag chest loot

[drowsy plank]

very rough technicality

i do think that something from the crags could be put in the crate tho

like how bramble crates have bamboo

[indigo yacht]

negative nancy

[tepid crown]

scorched bone?

[drowsy plank]

yeah something like that

it'd be more consistent with the other crates since now calamity crates are just pointless

no unique loot at all you'd prefer to just get an iron/gold one

[proper basin]

mmm i love dead crates

[frosty trellis]

Wow what the fuck you can't shimmer cobalt for hellstone????

Vanilla wtf

[proper basin]

yeah hellstone and the evil ores are outside of the chain

[tepid crown]

oh

yea ig u cant

[proper basin]

then calamity has cryonic also outside of the chain and astral kinda outside the chain

[frosty trellis]

I don't remember what you need hellstone for in terms of mandatory progression but that sucks

[tawdry glacier]

hellstone -> eye of desolation -> ashes of calamity on the altar of accursed -> SCal

[frosty trellis]

I

FORGOT IT WAS NEEDED FOR DESOLATION

[tepid crown]

thankfully, draedon lab or rox

[glass arch]

i think the auric ore one is

kinda not a great example

[frosty trellis]

Auric ore has an alternative now thanks to shimmer

[glass arch]

because they also added shimmering soul frags

[frosty trellis]

The annoying things are the other stuffs

Also annoyed stuff like the uelibloom is gone

[tawdry glacier]

well im not even that far into the game i just thought auric wasnt obtainable

doesnt really matter though

[glass arch]

no its a 1:10 shimmer of soul fragment to auric ore

[frosty trellis]

The hellstone is the big kicker tho

That blows

[glass arch]

yeah hellstone is realistically the only one that matters

i wouldnt go as far as to say undo all the changes just. readd hellstone to crates

[tawdry glacier]

i agree

just overreacted out of disappointment

[golden sonnet]

You can still get hellstone with fishing quests/lava fishing

[proper basin]

no trust this has drastic side effects for my randomizers

[frosty trellis]

Also no more unholy cores from crags crates

Why?????

[tawdry glacier]

huh

[frosty trellis]

???????

[proper basin]

oh yeah is shimmering lavaproof hook like. intentional

[frosty trellis]

OH

[golden sonnet]

^

[frosty trellis]

RICHT

[proper basin]

so it is

[frosty trellis]

I was like how tf do you get a lava proof bug net to shimmer NVM HOOK

[tepid crown]

theyre the bars of crags, all the special bars and ores were removed from crates to be in line with vanillas crate pool

[golden sonnet]

That may not exist next update though, will need to verify

[tawdry glacier]

yeah that would work if shimmer wasnt post-ml

[glass arch]

seems like a really janky solution im not gonna lie

[proper basin]

okay i can add that to my list of Intended hellstone obtainment methods

[golden sonnet]

It should still be in conch though

[glass arch]

it isnt

[golden sonnet]

Iirc

[golden sonnet]

Is in skyblock

[glass arch]

shimmer is only post moon lord if you're playing a map that specifically makes it post moon lord

[frosty trellis]

You don't need to fight calclone until post moonlord tbf

[tawdry glacier]

we were specifically talking about oneblock here

[proper basin]

(thank god)

[golden sonnet]

This yeah, it doesn't break the route just changes it

[proper basin]

actually

no nvm

[tawdry glacier]

and makes the challenge 100x more miserable to play😭

[golden sonnet]

I mean, cal clone drops don't do much tbh

[frosty trellis]

My guess is hellstone gear matters?

[proper basin]

i was gonna be like. it'd be difficult to make the abyss then remembered planty mush is a standard ass fishing drop

[tawdry glacier]

not at all

[proper basin]

cannot see why it would

calclone being later just means like

[frosty trellis]

Then why would it make it more miserable

[proper basin]

no crushsaw crasher

[tawdry glacier]

was referring to all the other crates this time

[proper basin]

or whatever

[half imp]

oneblock fans going to be saved by relogic skyblock seed

[proper basin]

(it adds villagers)

[golden sonnet]

Also like, 90% sure mining armor set bonus is dying. So trying to preserve current skyblock is kinda futile unfortunately. We aren't willing to keep it if it means making normal playthroughs worse

[frosty trellis]

What even is the set bonus for miner set

[half imp]

ore duplication

[glass arch]

ore dupe yeah

[indigo yacht]

chance to duplicate ores when mining

[oblique birch]

ore duplication

[frosty trellis]

Ah ic

[tawdry glacier]

speaking about mining armor the dupe doesnt even work in multiplayer atm

[indigo yacht]

including the ones you place

[frosty trellis]

LOL??????

I LOVE MULTIPLAYER

[half imp]

Unsurprising

[glass arch]

nothing works in multiplayer that should be a given

[proper basin]

i dont think ive ever used it but i think that's because i always use veinminer which like fucking ignores the buff anyways

[frosty trellis]

Hmmmge

Why do I now want to try said cal one block challenge

Even if it will probably be absolutely miserable

[proper basin]

and why sit there duping ores when i can just like

okay the game

play

[glass arch]

okay the game

[oblique birch]

okay the game

[proper basin]

761. john mage and kirigay removed from reality

my bad its 761 -

[glass arch]

who is john mage

[frosty trellis]

I've been using vein miner less and less

I use it mostly to get rid of BG walls these days

I've gotten good enough at the game to where my mining speed is generally fast enough that it's more fun to do it manually than veinmine

[proper basin]

john mage

[glass arch]

im john "idle games" mage

completely different from whoever john mage is

[frosty trellis]

Lo

[proper basin]

your nickname no longer matters for you are no longer real

[short stream]

It just occurred to me… are whips still completely off the table for Calamity? I know they were off the table when Fbsl was in charge, but what about now?

[indigo yacht]

no

they weren't even

[glass arch]

they werent ever off the table

[tepid crown]

this is not at all how it was

[proper basin]

calamity just needs rebalances twin

[short stream]

Huh…

[oblique birch]

Fab was not what caused whips be off the table

[half imp]

wait how does getting good at the game change this

[indigo yacht]

find my weapon balance

[glass arch]

the reason they werent added is because balance hell

[frosty trellis]

There is a skyline whip coming lol

[oblique birch]

is this because of one specific Youtube video or something?

that people think whips are off the table for Cal?

[short stream]

I thought it was because of the controversy of whips lol

[glass arch]

no the controversy of whips was propogated by one dude who has been banned for a very long time

[short stream]

Like how they aren’t summoner or something

[frosty trellis]

I have faster mining speed on average thanks to getting all the mining shit earlier > ores take less time to mine manually > don't see much of a need to use veinminer and it's more satisfying seeing your fast manual mining speed mine up ore and gem packets

[golden sonnet]

3 letter user has been a disaster for the calamity community

[short stream]

That’s what I mean

[glass arch]

like

[oblique birch]

no idea who it is

[half imp]

oh like getting mining gear

ok

[tepid crown]

3 letters? clearly this is a reference to sso!

[frosty trellis]

Ye it's been more fun not relying on veinminer

[tepid crown]

sgm

[short stream]

This is was I mean

[half imp]

I was thinking that you were somehow getting more adept at actually mining

[frail fox]

2022 misinformation 🔥

[glass arch]

it has not been a serious discussion since 1.4 released

[half imp]

And I was really confused

[frosty trellis]

I still do if I want to remove large platforms or background walls

But for general mining I've stopped

[tepid crown]

#suggestions-posting message

[glass arch]

if its not a discussion in vanilla its probably not a discussion here

[short stream]

I mean how people complained that whips were melee and not summoner

[glass arch]

asset hell

[oblique birch]

never heard of also that guy is banned as Raesh said so probably not good person

[proper basin]

calamity adds at least 2 summoner weapons that are literally just mage weapons

[short stream]

Burning Sky is a mage melee… I think I heard it’s getting removed

[tepid crown]

the actual difficult part of furniture implementation is creating sprites for them, which compared to a lot of other things in the mod, arent a high priority

[glass arch]

its not

[short stream]

Damn

[proper basin]

slime puppet staff and borealis bomber are genuinely deadass just mage weapons with summon damage

[frosty trellis]

No that was entirely propogated by the late and great ShyGuyMask and there is an aeralite whip coming to SSO and a lot of the balance team is happy we have an evil whip in 1.4.5 vanilla because then we can make snapthorn die a brutal death

[fiery oyster]

Which is why I was just suggesting it be fixed, as a builder it was mildly inconvenient

[half imp]

burning sky should cost mana

[proper basin]

they take mana (because it is summoner) and just spawns in a homing proejctile
doesnt take slots either

it is LITERALLY just mage weapon

[tepid crown]

burning sky should cost negative mana

thatd be funny

[glass arch]

a new furniture suggestion is almost always guaranteed to be approved if it gets to dev

it will not go anywhere from there because spriters generally all have other things theyd rather work on

[short stream]

I mean about how people complained that whips were melee with summon damage

[fiery oyster]

I wasn't telling the devs to fix it immediately, was just merely suggesting

[short stream]

Not the Shy drama

[frosty trellis]

Dog that was not a modding exclusive controversy

That was bigger in the vanilla community

[half imp]

But the projectile follows you when it's not targeting an enemy

Like a minion

[indigo yacht]

"who wants to add new furniture to complete missing furniture sets?"
🙋‍♂️ 🙋‍♀️ 🙋
"who wants to make sprites for those furnitures sets?"
🙍‍♂️ 🙍‍♀️ 🙍

[frail fox]

“Late and great” fly high 🕊️

[short stream]

Either way, I was misinformed

[proper basin]

and then explodes if theres nothing to target for too long

[half imp]

Some people are late and great

but what about early and terrible

[indigo yacht]

wait until they find out about magic guns 😨

[half imp]

yeah so it's just hellbound jr

[short stream]

I’m hoping they add whip adjacent things

[fiery oyster]

"If it's not melee then why does it benefit from melee speed and flasks"

[frail fox]

Also is aerialite whip in sso? I thought it wasn’t and it’s the fish whip

[half imp]

aerialite whip is not planned for 2.1

[proper basin]

FISH 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟 🎣 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟 🎣 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟 🎣 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐠 🐠 🐠 🐟 🐟 🐠

[frosty trellis]

Oh what

I thought the aeralite rework was 2.1 bc it was sprited

[fiery oyster]

Fih 💔

Aeralite rework never

[glass arch]

like this is the big thing with a furniture suggestion. its just going to end up in purgatory waiting for sprites to be done

[fiery oyster]

What if I asked nicely

[short stream]

Lol

[glass arch]

that is the premise of a suggestion

there are many that have been approved and not gone anywhere

[fiery oyster]

What if I said pretty please

[short stream]

How does one get a donor item btw?

[fiery oyster]

Cant

[glass arch]

you donated like 4 or 5 years ago

[frail fox]

Donate $50 in 2019

[short stream]

Good to know

Thanks

[tepid crown]

then they say "okay we will make them" and then they get whipped by the evil programmers to animate the fish instead

[fiery oyster]

You get to name an NPC though

[short stream]

And show up in Thank You

[glass arch]

no

[fiery oyster]

No

[short stream]

?????

[glass arch]

thank you is for devs only

[short stream]

Damn

I’m so misinformed

[glass arch]

donor list is on scal

[tepid crown]

no you show up in scals donor dialogue

[fiery oyster]

You get mentioned by Scal though

[short stream]

Oh that’s where

Right

[golden sonnet]

You get both

[short stream]

I forgor

[fiery oyster]

Whar

[golden sonnet]

Scal says your name and you can add an NPC name. I think npc name is a higher tier tho

[short stream]

Huh?

[tepid crown]

i said no to the thank you part

tupid

dummy

[proper basin]

donating so party girl name can be "lexiest lexie to lexie lexie'

[golden sonnet]

[fiery oyster]

Cosmolite is maybe an NPC name if u guys consider, Auric is yes NPC name as long as it's allowed

Afaik

[short stream]

I’m going to donate for a name some day… maybe call the Cyborg “Photon” or something, if that isn’t already done

[fiery oyster]

There's a flag in the code for this

[short stream]

I’m not looking at a list rn

[fiery oyster]

Ralsei remembers if you do that

[tepid crown]

ralsei is a telltale character

[fiery oyster]

No he's a deltarune character

Stupid

[golden sonnet]

Ralseis a guy?

Huh.

Learn something new every day

[boreal lichen]

they are still planning to add whips, its just being put on hold since 1.4.5 is probably gonna add so much

[glass arch]

raesh did you actually not know that

[tepid crown]

ralsei is ralsei

[short stream]

Yes, the Prince of Darkness

[fiery oyster]

Have you not played the game

[boreal lichen]

in fact theres one whip next update

[tepid crown]

tupdillin forgot about gar whip

[boreal lichen]

🐌

[golden sonnet]

Idk, it feels like literally every undertale character I hear people talk about besides the bone bros is a girl or nb

[fiery oyster]

Thats...

[golden sonnet]

So I kinda just assume

[fiery oyster]

Thats not ridiculous

Actually

[tepid crown]

ngl i cant blame you

[glass arch]

fuck you for being right

[golden sonnet]

Like I know they exist

But I just default to woman when I hear UT/DR character as that's who people generally talk about

[fiery oyster]

I'm gonna start referring to you all as John Developer

[golden sonnet]

A bit silly in hindsight

[fiery oyster]

[oblique birch]

u so late it's over already snail snail snail

[boreal lichen]

dont care

[proper basin]

[tepid crown]

better question

[glass arch]

profaned fish thats why

[tepid crown]

why was essence of havoc nuked from crates?

it fits in like with stuff like souls of night n light being in crates

[oblique birch]

why havoc only

[frail fox]

Because the fish exists? I guess you can ask why the fish exist but whatever

[tepid crown]

cuz the other 2 have fish i think

[oblique birch]

sunlight and eleum weren't even in crates?

oh

[glass arch]

it wasnt ever in crates

[oblique birch]

idk make fish

[tepid crown]

OH

i

read the sugg wrong

LMAO

[frail fox]

Crazy

[oblique birch]

f u

u made me being wrong too

tupid

[tepid crown]

tho the question still does technically apply

why was unholy essence removed from crates, when theres already a precedent of biome exclusive materials being in them, even if all the enemies in the biome dont drop it

(cursed flame and ichor)

[glass arch]

probably partially because the enemies that drop it arent exclusive to that biome

it was only in hallow crates while provi and her goons are associated also with hell (moreso than the hallow im ngl) and that didnt drop the essence

[proper basin]

id probably rather profaned fish be hell exclusive if i had to pick one or the other

[grim tusk]

aerialite whip is not SSO part 1, likely part 2 altho it depends on wtf happens with aerilite and hives retier

[frosty trellis]

THE RETIER

Shit

[grim tusk]

SSO part 2 100% has [have we revealed this one yet, iirc no] and likely Ardor Blossom Star

since Summoner update will be around that point or in SSO part 2

[grim tusk]

as well as other whips that get made

[frail fox]

Don’t see why the retier would change Aerialite directly

Besides connecting it to Dragonfolly

[proper basin]

just recolor all of the blue to red for the red lightning 5head

[glass arch]

could just be them wanting to wait and see if it will

[frail fox]

Because Hive Mind and Perfs are currently Gold/Blue true

[glass arch]

yeah

obviously

[indigo yacht]

@proper basin your suggestion has no reasoning

[proper basin]

i forgot to put it in there i havent made one in awhile, reasoning is moreso to add those back to the fishing pool so they have more than one way to obtain outside of Just Killing Guys

suppose ill edit it

[oblique birch]

but why it have to be, through fishing tho?

[indigo yacht]

less than elegant but the reasoning is fine

[errant wren]

fish

[oblique birch]

isn't the intention of these crate nerfs were because they don't want fishing to be the main way of obtaining renewables

[indigo yacht]

i assume to promote parity with the other two essences

a suggestion to "add another way to get unholy essence" might be better tho

[proper basin]

other fish

[oblique birch]

fish

[tepid crown]

profaned fish

[indigo yacht]

fish of despair

[drowsy plank]

i thought aerialite was gonna say where it was with the follow hives swap tbqh

[north oracle]

@broken mason first of all a suggestion to make dynamic pursuer stronger should go in #1178515062030348308
if you want to suggest a rework, don't use it's strength as a reason

secondly it's really strong atm a buff wouldn't be a good idea

[frail fox]

The title is true though

[north oracle]

true

[grim tusk]

also wasnt it like buffed extremely recently

pretty sure it got good kill times vs both bosses

these guys using dps when they should be using kill times

[frail fox]

The killtimes are like fine*

Functionally though uh

Yeah

[north oracle]

it's S tier from the most recent test

it's good

it might suck designwise but it's not weak

[grim tusk]

yea its not “flashy jingles keys and particle spam” but its good

tbh thats prob the main issue people have with it

[misty lichen]

no the issue is it only hits one time if more than one target is on screen and 8000 times if only one target is on screen

because only one part of it works

[grim tusk]

yea thats the ricochetting function, if it doesnt find another target it just pursues, i could buff the ricochetting but maybe nerf non ricochet to compensate since the weapon is good

ah shit

DO NOT CLICK THOSE LINKS OR IMAGES

ty mods

[ripe owl]

ah shit i clicked the image on accident

[grim tusk]

change your password immediately

and add 2fa

[frail mantle]

The images are just normal pngs but don’t follow any links you see on there

[ripe owl]

had it for a while, idr if it was when I was a mod or before that byeah

but changed the password for double safety

[oblique birch]

@kind laurel Galaxia is going post-Sentinels

[kind laurel]

Ah, was expecting something like that
Haven't really been keeping up with a lot of changes (and can't even remember the ones I do see often)

But yes, that would solve things

[drowsy plank]

considering there is already a change in the wings next update imma just flag this

[drowsy plank]

i have no idea what this is talking about but if it's too easy just try master death duke where you cant break the bubbles at all

[rotund summit]

Read thy name

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao

[rotund summit]

I was like 30 attempts in until i realized the bubbles weren't removed

[crude geode]

I feel like this is just the opposite of the boss suggestion guideline

[rotund summit]

It's the opposite of me struggling with the boss, i provided the rationale (i find duke the easiest of the post golem bosses), and the thing i think should be added/changed
I'm confused what classifies as the opposite of the suggestion guideline

[crude geode]

I mean that because I think this is coming from someone who regularly plays master death, and thus is an outlier in skill in the same way someone who is consistently dying to a boss is an outlier in skill

[rotund summit]

I'd not say my skill is above average, i just have the willingness to do a boss for several hours. I'm fairly confident a regular player can do what i like to do in a similar amount of attempts

I sink thousands of attempts into bosses

[crude geode]

Stop reply pinging please

[rotund summit]

Sorry

[crude geode]

@inland saddle bot is kill btw

[inland saddle]

That’s funny timing

I’m literally in the process of rebooting rn lol

[crude geode]

Fair lol

[rotund summit]

Oh the nohit mod guy

[inland saddle]

.

[crude geode]

It killed itself like 12 hours later it was on top of it

[indigo yacht]

i think this suggestion is bad

but not invalid i dont think

actually

the reasoning is completely subjective...

for example i find duke to be one of the hardest bosses

[inland saddle]

Okay it’s back

[crude geode]

Yayyy

[keen zodiac]

BOT ALIVE

[craggy girder]

my issue with the bubble thingy is that theres a LOT of bubbles

having each bubble spawn projectiles kinda just makes the bubbles part no more than a signifier for the bubble

[half imp]

bubbles should reflect the projectile that pops them

that would be funny

[north oracle]

what if we made the bubbles make a new bubble when they popped

[errant wren]

replace bubbles with a sweeping water blast thi- that's better than my idea

[gilded citrus]

hell be upon thee who uses universe splitter

[half imp]

what if they split into 4 mini stardust cells

[craggy girder]

what if the bubbles could merge into one larger bubble

[crude geode]

elemental disk ah bubbles

[north oracle]

recursive bubbling

[errant wren]

make bubbles like the xenopopper or whatever it's called

instead of bullets though it's just more sharkrons

[craggy girder]

okay actually

thats not terrible

pop a bubble and it spawns a very temporary and very small vortex that throws one sharkron each

[mystic sandal]

that feels like itd get EXTREMELY out of hand

considering how many bubbles exist during one attack cycle

and how much damage a sharkron does

[craggy girder]

theres like 20 bubbles

so 20 sharkrons minimum

[errant wren]

it'd probably be ideal to make bubbles be a mix of effects, ranging from nothing burgers to that maybe

[half imp]

it'd be ideal to leave them as an anti-single-target effect tbh

That's what they are

[crude geode]

Compromise on newest sugg: make the animation take up more space and last longer

[kind laurel]

As long as it is at least 3.5 blocks for most of the time it's placed, I'm happy

[indigo yacht]

I don't know what this suggestion means

[kind laurel]

This sprite, when the hand is steady, is exactly 3 blocks tall
It is steady 88% of the time
Why is its hitbox 4 tall

[signal patrol]

The recent update just made it impossible basically, gg!

[drowsy plank]

that is an ancient ass message to necro

[golden sonnet]

@humble girder I marked your suggestion as invalid for a few reasons:

1. You mention prismite being removed from sunken sea crates, I believe you mean prism shards?
2. adding scoria back to hydrothermic crates is a reversion suggestion, ie, asking to revert a change that was made fairly recently. If a change was made it was probably done so for a reason so direct reversion suggestions are generally against the rules. Your comment about auric ore technically is not this due to you specifying post ML crates, but although this is not a reason it is invalid, it may be best to make post ML crates the core idea of your suggestion if that is what you want, rather than combining multiple suggestions into one.

[drowsy plank]

post ml crates would fix so many issues ngl

oh lmao it's also too long

funny

[humble girder]

Thanks for taking a look at my suggestion,
I did indeed mean prism shards, sorry about that.
I also didn't know that scoria used to be in a loot pool, again, my fault.
And yeah, I was thinking about putting the post-ml crate suggestion as separate but I was too lazy, again, sorry.
Adressing the no revesion sugestion, I knew it wouldn't be taken kindly but I wanted to put out my oppinion anyway. I don't know the reason behind the reversion nor do I know where to find the reason so I just looked at the change from my perspective. To me the change seemed weird since to me it just looked like it blocked off an interesting progression and challenge path and limited the freedom the base game tries to offer.
I'm not trying to attack or harshly critisize the dev teams decision, I'm just trying to tell my viewpoint. Is there any way of finding out why the change was made?

[humble girder]

oh... I didn't know there was a character limit, sorry about that, probably read over it in the hasty reading of the rules

[golden sonnet]

is it actually? huh, it doesn't seem like it tbh

[drowsy plank]

the clamp is there so it must be

[tepid crown]

its 236 characters outside the limit

[golden sonnet]

All good, no need to apologize just letting you know why I marked it as invalid so you know what to change for me to remove the invalid marking. scoria ore was removed because it already has an alternate obtainment method in killing enemies, and changing crate drops dynamically is something that was removed from vanilla to prevent hoarding crates so it felt out of place in calamity and resulted in the same hoarding crates issue. It's the same reason we don't add astral ore or cryonic ore to the shimmer chain, as then waiting long enough means you can get all the items from it without experiencing the content. Why explore abyss for scoria if you can just fish on the surface, wait till x boss is killed, and get all the loot. By making it only from the content itself, you can come back later and outgear the content so it is easier, but you cannot fully skip it.

I do 100% agree that currently most calamity crates are missing something and am discussing it rn in dev as a result. As I agree with pretty much all the crate item removals, but sunken sea, brimstone, and astral crates are literally all identitcal at the moment, they should at least have 1 unique material each, but likely no special biome ore or a ton of items like before

[drowsy plank]

i mentioned this earlier once but currently most of the calamity biome crates are currently worse than the vanilla lower tier crates

[humble girder]

thanks for the insight to the thought behind the change! I understand why now and with that explanation it seems very reasonable. The scoria part is a fault of my own rescearch and now that I think about it prism shards are also dropped by enemies. I know I shouldn't suggest things here but could there be a way for players to access the thoughts behind some changes because I noticed some other players being confused on the reasoning of the update

[drowsy plank]

they have literally nothing worthwhile inside

[frail fox]

Astral pet!

[drowsy plank]

woaw

[royal tapir]

They're the same value as vanilla biome crates

I cannot tell the discrepancy

[drowsy plank]

all of the vanilla biome crates at least have some items in them

[tepid crown]

its the fact that cal biomes have no chest loot in them

[drowsy plank]

even the hallow crate has souls of light and crystal shards