suggestions-discussion

[idle dagger]

I was out yesterday what did I miss here

[echo leaf]

literally awful take

fetid.

[drowsy plank]

this channel became #digestion-discussion and posting and voting became #deltarune-today and #deltarune-tomorrow

and everyone posted joke suggestions 👍

that's it that was the whole day

[idle dagger]

That’s really funny especially considering what we got in today’s direct

[drowsy plank]

yes

i am a genius

[novel belfry]

silksong TOO

wtf

[fleet grotto]

i didn't... (contrarianism)

[rugged belfry]

What led to this being called digestion? What does that mean?

[novel belfry]

i mean

suggestion and digestion rhyme

[novel belfry]

Move the Shadow Key to Post-Slime God

The items provided by the Shadow Chest have the issue of being needed to be balanced alongside the Dungeon items, since those are both technically unlocked at the same tier.

Perhaps moving them to post-Slime God may help in this regard. If you're wondering how this could be implemented, one way could be gleaned from how the Shadow Key looks oddly similar to the Night's Edge, which has the Slime God's Purified Gel. I could advocate for possibly instead changing the Shadow Key to be crafted from some sort of key mold (Biome Chest keys used to be crafted with such molds) that is obtained from the dungeon chests. However, this is probably not the only way that this could be done, but its
This would also help the Underworld maintain a slight bit more relevance later before the Wall of Flesh fight.

okay im just gonna give up

this is too specific

[tardy geyser]

I like it; underworld, abyss, and dungeon loot all being post skele is too much at once imo. Moving either underworld or abyss to post slime god would help.

[indigo yacht]

I'd prefer moving abyss loot

[errant wren]

shadow key upgrades to abyss key

[indigo yacht]

genius

[rugged belfry]

Not hating it

[novel belfry]

I miss Plague 'Bed' being a usable spawn

[errant wren]

plague 'bed' now gives you temporary immunity to plagued on respawn (can be used as a bed again)

[novel belfry]

Judging from its odd shape, I can see why the Devs gave up on making it usable

especially post 1.4 update

[errant wren]

just make the player stand upright, obviously

[novel belfry]

(its probably hardcoded to hell)

[tepid crown]

uhh

#suggestions-posting message

shouldnt this be in voting by now

[glass arch]

no

hasnt been there for 48 hours

i think

i might be doing math wrong

[tepid crown]

???

mf its 24

[north oracle]

it's 24 hours jacob

[glass arch]

gug

[north oracle]

@inland saddle bot dead i think :(

[glass arch]

well the bot is also down

checked and it was offline

[tepid crown]

it died during april fools

clearly the sugg bot was the true fool

[drowsy plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1308300486943965205/suggestion_bot_down.gif

[scarlet musk]

i still think red sun should be reworked into a true melee weapon

imagine if the more consecutive hits you got the more flares would rain down

or if they made them into giant glowing meteors/sun blasts or smth

[rugged belfry]

Maybe the non-❗ reactiom broke it

[scarlet musk]

but yeah i like the idea of Red Sun having raining exploding projectiles, and i think making it true melee with some extra tweaks could allow it to keep that function while still being an actual melee weapon thats fun

[cold cosmos]

Red sun is the “melee” weapon, right?

[scarlet musk]

yeah

Red Sun Tweaks

• Give it directional slash (this should be a standard by now but i feel its still important to mention)
• Make its projectiles only activate on true melee hits (this will make it feel more actually melee)
• Projectile rate accelerates with consecutive hits (...and decays over time. this would give the weapon an additional dimension of thought and deliberation to work with, giving you incentive to rush down and blitz enemies so you can keep the combo going with flares raining down)
• Some sort of high mobility option? (this isn't strictly necessary but i feel that it would add to the previous design ideas. something like landing 5 hits gives you a blade dash charge which you could use with right click to do an instant blade dash etc.. a special, weapon-specific mobility option would help keep the combat flow moving and make the weapon more dynamic with an additional attack variation)

thoughts?

[rugged belfry]

But why

[fleet grotto]

no

that's burning sky

[scarlet musk]

i
explained all of the issues

[scarlet musk]

they're very similar

[fleet grotto]

red sun atleast has a sword

[cold cosmos]

Ah

[fleet grotto]

that does things

[cold cosmos]

Right

[prisma sedge]

Ah shoot, I just had an idea for an April Fools suggestion, but it's already too late

[north oracle]

This suggestion doesn't explain what's wrong with the weapon, it just lists what you think should be changed.
Suggestions should focus on bringing a problem to light, not on the solution to the problem. That's left up to the devs.

[fleet grotto]

i don't think you did

[rugged belfry]

Seems kinda close to SRS yea

[rugged belfry]

Post here or save it for next year 🤔

[fleet grotto]

a cool change is nice but there needs to be an actual reason

[cold cosmos]

Also if you’re reworking a starfury-esque weapon please do burning sky first

Like red sun is comparatively fine

[crude geode]

iirc burning Sky is known by the devs as an actual meme

[cold cosmos]

Oh

So it’s intentionally not melee then?

[north oracle]

our favourite mage weapon

[crude geode]

It’s pretty intentionally designed the way it is to mock the fact that you would never have used the melee part of it

[fleet grotto]

iirc you can get tainted on it and it doesn't deal damage

[prisma sedge]

Basically:

"Add gun swords to Calamity

Have you ever looked at melee weapons that're glorified ranger weapons, and thought 'oh gee, I wish my weapons class would do that!', well I have! So let's give all the guns melee compatibility, by turning them into gun swords!"

[fleet grotto]

top 10 bits of all the bits

[north oracle]

next year 😔

[fleet grotto]

whip guns

[cold cosmos]

That one murasama variant

[fleet grotto]

guys, i don't get the reference

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeaaahhh, I'm so excited for how that's gonna look in the future

[cold cosmos]

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic

[fleet grotto]

i don't....

is this an overhaul reference

[cold cosmos]

No, it’s a reference to one of the murasama contest winners

[fleet grotto]

the whada whoda whug

I'm amethyst but you can call me crazy dave

[indigo yacht]

false melee

[cold cosmos]

This

[prisma sedge]

Being genuine here, since I bet it'll be a spectacle when it's animated

But to be fair, that also goes for all of the winners, Malgeisama and Mura-Zen will probably go hard in-game

[indigo yacht]

and well only have to wait six years

[prisma sedge]

Still less time than it'll take for Silksong to come out, so I'll take it!

[indigo yacht]

surely they wont delay it past the 2025 release

[novel belfry]

unironically my favorite fan murasama skin

cant wait for an addon that makes this SPECIFIC skin do ranged damage

[coral carbon]

was this written by soos

[coral carbon]

surely with an actual year they cant get away with delaying it again

[olive saddle]

add fisah to calamity :foish:
is necessary for calamity essential function, you musty add it

[scarlet musk]

thank you, i tried to add a bit more reasoning. do you think i should remove the mobility bulletpoint?

Red Sun Tweaks

• Give it directional slash (this should be a standard by now but i feel its still important to mention. directional slash simultaneously makes it easier to hit enemies and gives you a reason to actually move your cursor.)
• Make its projectiles only activate on true melee hits (this will reduce the mage-weaponness and make the sword more melee-centric and involved while keeping the projectiles)
• Projectile rate accelerates with consecutive hits (this would make the projectiles more interesting by giving the weapon an additional dimension of thought and deliberation to work with as you try to keep the combo going. as it is, the projectiles are fine and cool but feel a bit tacked on (this is mostly due to not being true melee). adding something like this would remedy by adding a unique element to play around and make it less mage-y especially for an endgame weapon whose function should be especially fun)
• Special mobility option? (some sort of right click ability. a special, weapon-specific mobility option would help keep the combat flow moving and make the weapon more dynamic with an additional attack variation)

[north oracle]

You shouldn't have specific ideas for how to fix the weapon in the suggestion at all
Point out the flaws and why theyre problems and let us decide what to do about it, if that's something specific that's a problem there'll be an obvious solution

[novel belfry]

this is incidentally why i gave up on this suggestion, i realized i was going too specific with my idea of key mold

[north oracle]

It's actually not a bad idea instantly XD
but yeah, far too specific of a solution

How you'd do it is obviously the most complex part

[novel belfry]

Well, you see, it's actually an attempted rewrite of a prior suggestion of mine.

[vestal crater]

I refuse to ever vote on this I need my pre boss dark lance

[novel belfry]

...but wait, HOW?

[vestal crater]

The archive is wooden chests and it has shadow key

GUARANTEED

[novel belfry]

but you said Pre-Boss

in the dungeon

I dont

[errant wren]

it is possible maybe

[novel belfry]

if you're stubborn, maybe?

[errant wren]

i don't know how

[drowsy plank]

reaver shark + respawn abuse

[errant wren]

yeah that seems about right

[novel belfry]

hmm

that makes sense

[glass arch]

yeah you gotta be damn stubborn and prepared for it but you can do it

[gritty plaza]

Or just use the eye of cthulhu to fill up the entity cap

Sorbet cafe did a vid on it

[half imp]

Pre boss dark lance zzz

pre boss magic missile is where it's at

[indigo yacht]

I'm just glad you dropped the dark lance night's edge thing

[indigo yacht]

not even respawn abuse

just drop in

if you use autopause it's quite easy

[dense locust]

You can also just max out the npc count so guardians just can’t spawn

As for the sugg itself I’m mixed

[errant wren]

clearly we just make a new chest that contains post-SG weaponry and keep shadow chest loot the same

[spice stream]

ong!

[errant wren]

we should make me a dev

i clearly only have good ideas

[keen zodiac]

i think storms before the catastrophes actually fit the credits better than vanilla

[whole tundra]

The Memory of a Cruel World in question:

[gilded citrus]

Aint one of these getting nuked and killed next update

[drowsy plank]

@kindred creek i know there isn't really grounds for this, but urchin flail(? whichever is solid by amidias) is removed next update so

i flagged the suggestion because it is pointless now

[kindred creek]

Oh, I didn’t know.

My bad.

Good.

[drowsy plank]

in #changelogs 👍

[odd fractal]

is suggestion bot down?

[indigo yacht]

yes

[vocal moth]

why

[dense locust]

you tell me

(its litterally just a boring flail at a stage of the game with a large number of boring flails)

[indigo yacht]

the obvious solution is to turn urchin mace into another flail

[golden sonnet]

Turn seashine sword into one too

[indigo yacht]

true

[golden sonnet]

we don't have enough boring post DS melee weapons

[indigo yacht]

im thankful you're a developer raesh

[golden sonnet]

They actually hired me just for that, to make more boring melee weapons

[indigo yacht]

🙏

[dense locust]

every tier needs 3 usestyle 1 swords
1 beam sword
1 true melee
and 1 starfury clone

[indigo yacht]

only 3? that's a bit conservative dont you think

[crude geode]

Holy shit calamity mod conservative

[indigo yacht]

the exo mechs are woke

[dense locust]

no, because thats only the standard broadswords
not even including the spear, yoyo, boomerang, bad gimmick weapon, flail, and mage weapon clone

[indigo yacht]

ok but at least those have a very vaguely valid reason to exist

[crude geode]

The boomerang and mage weapon clone have a vaguely valid reason to exist?

[indigo yacht]

well ok not the mage weapon clone

[glass arch]

gimmick weapons are fine as long as the gimmick doesnt handicap the weapon

unfortunately many gimmick weapons are handicapped because of their gimmick

[drowsy plank]

tragic umbrella is a real weapon i swear

[indigo yacht]

cosmolite jousting lance

[golden sonnet]

wtf

so like, I've seen this thing before, but I think i just assumed it was vanity

[glass arch]

raesh can you remove tragic umbrella for me please :3

[golden sonnet]

I never even registered this is technically a weapon and actually exists

[drowsy plank]

make it shoot stars like in kirby
that way it justifies its fucking POST-SKELETRON lock

[indigo yacht]

i mean, it practically is vanity

like the ruler is

[golden sonnet]

reflects projectiles back but only when they hit the top of it

[drowsy plank]

ruler is just because red couldn't think of anything to do with it once he moved mechanical ruler to the inventory

[glass arch]

ruler is a leftover from 1.3

[drowsy plank]

yeah

it's basically like lawn mower but even worse

[glass arch]

at least lawn mower has a function

[drowsy plank]

true

[indigo yacht]

yeah so now it's vanity

[drowsy plank]

vanity how

it's not placable or anything it's just a shitty shortsword

[glass arch]

it doesnt even have a holdout sprite

[golden sonnet]

[drowsy plank]

it's a joke weapon i guess

[drowsy plank]

🔥

[tepid crown]

I LOVE PHASESLAYER

[indigo yacht]

it exists purely to... look mediocre since it's basically nonfunctional as a weapon

[drowsy plank]

you cant even look at it tho like that's my point

i guess if you put it in exactly an item frame

[errant wren]

ruler should become coldheart icicle or whatever that weapon was

[drowsy plank]

just give it slap hand knockback and call it a day

[tepid crown]

next update!!!

[drowsy plank]

right i guess dummies can hold them now at least

[frail fox]

Vanilla can't remove anything 💔

[drowsy plank]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Unobtainable_features

[frail fox]

Well most of those weren't obtainable in the public version anyway I think

*Not counting the old console/mobile stuff

[dense locust]

the only things actively I think used to be obtainable are key molds and lesser restoration

[indigo yacht]

Readd lesser restoration potions

i dont know

[frail fox]

Great idea

[errant wren]

ah, lesser restoration potions

i remember those

[drowsy plank]

Reimplement Lesser Restoration Potions
So we can restore less. 👍

[prisma sedge]

I love how Wiki.gg summons a column of inescapable ads on the side of my screen so I can't see some of the entries

So much better than Fandom, I tell ya

[tepid crown]

just make a wiki.gg account

[prisma sedge]

Oh, nice!

[drowsy plank]

lmao

that should honestly be on the page somewhere

[novel belfry]

the ever loyal uBlock Origin:

[indigo yacht]

that's a seal

[novel belfry]

which seals away the ads

[indigo yacht]

common misconception

walruses are actually the ones that seal away advertisements, not seals

[novel belfry]

But walruses are seals...

[indigo yacht]

nuh uh

walruses are felines

[prisma sedge]

Would you argue this isn't one?

[novel belfry]

or these two for that matter

[tepid crown]

so suggestion related

[novel belfry]

suggestive

byeah ublock origin

very useful

if you got firefox

must-have

you'll never be the same again

[river lily]

the mod that lets you equip umbrellas in vanity slots:

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[wet vigil]

I feel like no one does Skeletron before SG so that suggestion makes sense

[gilded citrus]

I always do skeletron pre slimegod

[wet vigil]

Why though?

Skeletron is was harder than SG

[gilded citrus]

Eh
I dont find it as such

[echo leaf]

I'd rather do a lot of things than Slime God without knockback immunity and Dark Lance

[tender crater]

~~Lead armor ~~

[median scaffold]

You can say that about many things, so it isn't really an argument

[fleet grotto]

isn't it literally intended progression that skeletron is pre slime god

[gritty plaza]

I have never done slime god pre skeletron

Not even for gear upgrades it just felt more natural to get the final armour upgrade right before WoF

[fleet grotto]

don't think this is happening

[crude geode]

don't think so

#mod-announcements message

@jagged stone see the above announcement for why the music mod is now required

[rugged belfry]

Are we certain it's the music mod that's causing your memory issues

[tiny minnow]

he can't remember

[hollow shell]

"zero performance and RAM impact" coming from the lead programmer

Dang, I didn't know it was that much more efficient

[gilded citrus]

They done stored the code with 0 bits used

[indigo yacht]

there are 800 billion tiny people in your computer that either hold up a one or a zero

[fleet grotto]

i'm one of them. please help

[frail mantle]

get back to loading my family guy funny moments compilation #37

[blissful wharf]

Excuse me, does the module allow material to be used for second creation or transfer now，I might need some comparisons right now... The official response, that sort of thing

Such as using transfer tiles from here in other game mods and so on

[drowsy plank]

i have no idea what you're asking and also this should probably be something you ask in #help-advice-read-pins though im not sure anyone there will be able to help you unless you can phrase your question better

[tepid crown]

it was put thru a translator i assume

mod got turned into module, instead of modification, for example

anyways, i assume its related to wat they were asking in #general-media

[drowsy plank]

yeah i figured, still, they're going to need a better translation if they actually want help

[grim tusk]

i think I have an idea of what he’s asking

[drowsy plank]

i figured out what they meant by just

[grim tusk]

being the typical “can i use cal assets in x”

[drowsy plank]

looking at #general-media like tsuki said

yeah

it was about someone else's tho

[blissful wharf]

Oh, sorry. I just really didn't have time to correct the grammar, so I threw it to the machine translator.

In summary, I roughly understand that it's simply that there is no such thing as authorization or permission of any kind?

[drowsy plank]

you need to not make money off it, and give credit to the calamity team somewhere, but other than that, no

if they are not doing those things, then there is a problem

[blissful wharf]

Thank you very much. I apologize for the interruption.

[vagrant spindle]

i will kill

[grim tusk]

@severe mason never happening

[vagrant spindle]

kill everyone

with hatchets

[vestal crater]

can you do a suggestion twice cuz i really want planty mush walls

[grim tusk]

also Coco was removed cuz of reasons that will break rules if discussed (also not cal original, its an ex dev’s oc)

[grim tusk]

how long was it since last one?

[severe mason]

[vestal crater]

around a month or so

[grim tusk]

go ahead then

[vestal crater]

ok coolsies

also how do you see old suggestions cuz i dont know how to look

[grim tusk]

if we get another waifu it will either be HotE rework or lore relevant character

[severe mason]

The Coco thing is a topic for discussion, but adding another waifu that isn't a developer item

[grim tusk]

but the players get absolutely no say

[vestal crater]

i want amidias vanity

</3

probably not going to suggest tho

[tepid crown]

use discord search feature

just filter it to look for in sugg voting

[vestal crater]

thank you

[grim tusk]

on pc

[vestal crater]

nya

[grim tusk]

mobile search feature is kinda ass

[tepid crown]

uhhh

i cant comment on that

never rlly used search on mobile

[vestal crater]

Add planty mush walls

Planty mush is a block found in the abyss and I believe it should have a wall counterpart

While a lot of blocks does have a wall counterpart, planty mush does not, even though it is a very pretty block and quite versatile for building, such as for trees and other nature stuff

[tepid crown]

#changelogs message

[vestal crater]

does this lok good?

[tepid crown]

anyways wa

[fleet grotto]

it works fine enough for me

[tepid crown]

they just

werent added??

[fleet grotto]

finding images fucking sucks though

[tepid crown]

this was hellish harbour update btw

[grim tusk]

looks good to me

[tepid crown]

wait wat

[grim tusk]

wait true

[tepid crown]

ex manager? who manages it now

how did i just notice this

[errant cradle]

huh

[grim tusk]

sugg wont pass cuz its already ingame

[tepid crown]

it isnt

[gilded citrus]

Afaik the only relevent character i can think of
Is both a possible hote rework include and a lore relevent character

And uh
Theyre
Kinda
Corpse
(Im on about silva)

[grim tusk]

i completely forgot

[tepid crown]

it isnt ingame

[errant cradle]

Are they carded to be implemented in SSO?

[tepid crown]

it was put in changelogs but never implemented

[grim tusk]

yet

[errant cradle]

Cause yeah they aren't in-game rn

[tepid crown]

no this was hellish harbour

[vestal crater]

[grim tusk]

indeed

[errant cradle]

Yeah I saw the changelog but I'm asking shade if they plan to be-

yeah

[vestal crater]

im so happy

its like my favorite block

[grim tusk]

abyss will get some changes which include mush walls

[tepid crown]

yea but

why the fuck

why did this not get in earlier??

[grim tusk]

Onitlu (however its spelled)

[grim tusk]

idk

[tepid crown]

otonilou

[grim tusk]

dont ask me

[errant cradle]

Easiest assumption would be they were probably being resprited and the update ending up dropping before they were finished

That or they just

forgot

lmao

[gilded citrus]

Otonilou got fucking erased by scal a decade ago lore wise

[tepid crown]

fuc k

i can spell well

[errant cradle]

Silly situation but yeah they'll be in there next update so yippee!!!

[tepid crown]

i thought changelogs were stuff that were committed onto dev branch so unlike it was

removed later

[grim tusk]

its for stuff committed into the main branch

[tepid crown]

yea that

[grim tusk]

altho it has happened when something is on another branch gets into changelogs

gets removed quickly tho

usually

[tepid crown]

planty mush walls were too powerful

[errant cradle]

idfk man

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[indigo yacht]

this server sucks

i hate it here

[coral carbon]

too much plant mush in fabsol computer

simple answer

[vestal crater]

this server is pretty cool

[coral carbon]

needs to get the plant mush out their computer fans

[vestal crater]

theres like a cat

cats are cool

[fleet grotto]

if anyone is curious this is why

[gilded citrus]

Vanillin
Scok
Goose
Coke
Cheese

Theres a few

[vestal crater]

-# i meant as in CAT but you forgot me

[errant cradle]

calamity mod fan to cat pipeline

[indigo yacht]

meow

[vestal crater]

nya

[gilded citrus]

You are skeletron
Also i was talking to you so i werent going to include you

[vestal crater]

yeah makes sense

[gilded citrus]

Men

[vestal crater]

yippeee

[umbral gazelle]

no npcs
npc attacks only
🥹

[novel belfry]

When I play calamity, memories are almost full.
this line goes hard

[river lily]

This suggestion isn't real

[fresh idol]

i mean its valid

[echo leaf]

calamity… calamity fulls memorys….

[river lily]

I look at suggestions posting once

[novel belfry]

adding another waifu based on coco is absurd knowing why that dev item's dev was neuralyzed from this game...

[river lily]

i look at it ONCE

[gilded citrus]

Cals memories fills my computer helping?:(

[river lily]

and this is what i get

[gilded citrus]

Who coco whaur

[river lily]

vanity item that is being removed from the game due to association with a bad person, you can figure out the rest

[gilded citrus]

Ah

:(

[echo leaf]

coco is goned

[novel belfry]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Coco's_Feather

the bad person's oc

[odd geyser]

coco was bird's dev item thing

[gilded citrus]

Oh ok yeah that confirmed who i thought it was a dev thing for

:(

Nuke them

[odd geyser]

bird = shitty groomer

[gilded citrus]

Im aware bird is not great

[novel belfry]

also i know that bird drew women... in an exaggerated manner

like, if you've ever seen bird's artwork (which im sorry to say, i have seen a lot of)... you'll understand

[odd geyser]

yes

also

horn

[gilded citrus]

:(

Chat die now

[river lily]

horn like the hunting horn from monster hunter

[odd geyser]

you need to break alatreon's horns to suppress its powe

[fresh idol]

p

[odd geyser]

indeed

[gilded citrus]

Why do horns hold its power is it stupid

[odd geyser]

elder dragons do that

[novel belfry]

thats just elder dragons, they like holding power in their horns

[gilded citrus]

Chat is elder dragon dumb

[odd geyser]

alatreon's horns are big and strong and cool and also look like they'd be cool snacks if downsized for humans

[novel belfry]

i guess its the same reasoning behind people who give crowns actual powers

[odd geyser]

probably

[odd geyser]

(it would actually kill you)

[novel belfry]

(also probably weird evolutionary histories, if you ask me)

[gilded citrus]

Eh people can handle a bit of spice im sure theyd be fine

[odd geyser]

have you seen those things

[gilded citrus]

No

[odd geyser]

they look sharper than knives

https://tenor.com/view/dr-ezekiel-mhw-monster-hunter-world-dr-ezekiel-monster-hunter-world-plague-doctor-monster-hunter-world-gif-17755306

also

[gilded citrus]

Just chew

[odd geyser]

there's probably the power of uranium in there

[tepid crown]

so suggestion related

[odd geyser]

with dragon element tho so that means it probably kills you even cooler

[gilded citrus]

Extra spice

[odd geyser]

yep !

don't add the waifus add alatreon instead

[gilded citrus]

I will send the walls after you

[gilded citrus]

True!

[novel belfry]

I'm imagining a hilarious bit where dragonslayers in calamity who are seeking auric souls target alatreon, struggle extremely hard, and then learn he doesnt have an auric soul, hes just like that

[odd geyser]

true

[novel belfry]

fatalis tho is probably not going to look that interesting to them

(at least, the normal one...)

[odd geyser]

🙏

[golden sonnet]

@odd geyser please keep discussion to this channel

[odd geyser]

true

[river lily]

FIRE

thats the best suggestion ever

[errant cradle]

welcome back deltarune-today

[odd geyser]

not good of me to break the rules but certain acts are to be committed 😔

[indigo yacht]

that's not why it got removed

[echo leaf]

dw it’s a double standard

[fresh idol]

shadow government

[gaunt needle]

what if someone sees old duke, hunts him down then realises that the old duke doesn't have a auric soul and just leaves him dying

[echo leaf]

the good ending

[river lily]

i think they'd probably die before they can realize that

[novel belfry]

he was horny in both cases.

[odd geyser]

hunt

[novel belfry]

(I think??)

(okay maybe not entirely for his removal but sure)

[gaunt needle]

hunt of the old god

[odd geyser]

monster hunter

[gaunt needle]

except it's not a god

[errant cradle]

Would prefer if The Situation was not discussed here thank you

[gilded citrus]

Considering they are post polter
Yeah

[errant cradle]

If you really wanna talk bout it go to DMs or smth

[gaunt needle]

hunt of the old

[novel belfry]

agreed

i dont want to discuss it either

[odd geyser]

would old duke be a leviathan or a flying wyvern or an elder or an idk (it can't be a piscine wyvern cause fuck em)

[novel belfry]

flying given his upcoming redesign

[odd geyser]

wait I forgot how'd it look like

could you share rq

[river lily]

i think flying wyvern yeah

[tepid crown]

so suggestion

[river lily]

not elden or leviathan dont think, piscinine wyvern also wouldnt fit because hes not really fishy

he dosent look like a fish

[novel belfry]

two days without sugg bot does that to you

[odd geyser]

also old duke would be like a variant for duke fishron

[fresh idol]

#suggestions-posting message wonder if its possible to lazy load the cal tracks so they dont take up much memory

[odd geyser]

or deviant maybe

[fresh idol]

((only load the music tracks when they're needed n not when the mod loads

(((n also maybe unload them when they're no longer needed

[odd geyser]

deviant may work since deviants tend to be monsters that have abnormal conditions, usually unfavorable ones and overcame them and got stronger

iirc that's what old duke kinda is rn

[novel belfry]

extremely unfinished, but yea

[tepid crown]

so discussion

[odd geyser]

makes sense

flying wyvern it is ig

anyways

suggest smth

[golden sonnet]

calamity mod music takes 7 MB, which is the same amount as heros mod

it is really not making any impact

[fresh idol]

oh lmao

what causes the memory problems then

[tepid crown]

i mean they could just be

_ _

wrong

[novel belfry]

im just gonna guess their pc isnt that great

[drowsy plank]

this is truly a moment of all time

[golden sonnet]

tmodloader + Cal just takes around 6-8 GB, it's unrelated to the music mod at all. Tmod itself takes around 3-4, and cal takes ~3.2 GB

I generally hover around 6.5GB when I run tmod

of virtual ram, not physical

physical is less at like 5GB

[fresh idol]

oh wow

thats a lot of memory

what takes up the most memory

[tepid crown]

my knowledge on minecraft

OH U MEANT IN CALAMITY

[fresh idol]

yeah lmao

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
...I think you should make the suggestion smaller
Also, it mentions upcoming content, which is probably a no-no even in this situation

[errant cradle]

That needs to be smaller?

[warm juniper]

removed the upcoming content bit

[indigo yacht]

it's just an allusion, it's not directly related to the upcoming content

[median scaffold]

For what the idea is, I think yes

[median scaffold]

Fair enough

[errant cradle]

I'm not really following

This is like way smaller than most suggestions and it gets the point across well

[warm juniper]

i tried to find as much reasoning as to why it should happen lol

[errant cradle]

I think the size is fine personally

[golden sonnet]

With the removal of mentioning upcoming content this doesn't break any rules and is valid, but I feel it is unlikely to see implementation due to how iconic murasama has become.

Despite how some devs feel about it, and despite it pretty much being a direct reference, it has become a key identifier of calamity

[warm juniper]

thats a good point, but i feel like its become too iconic in a way

when you search up murasama, calamity is mentioned before mgrr lol

i wouldnt be surprised if a lot of people thought the murasama actually comes from calamity in all honesty

[errant cradle]

Honestly
Kill current Phaseslayer and then give Murasama that name

It works like perfectly

[warm juniper]

i like this idea, it fits

[indigo yacht]

horrifying proposition

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I kind of forgot that the Phaseslayer wasn't just a prototype Murasama, so I'd sign on that

[drowsy plank]

kinda peak

[indigo yacht]

"kill current phaseslayer and rename it" ok so basically make an entirely new weapon

[errant cradle]

?

I ain't following the logic with that one

[warm juniper]

replacing a weapons name then giving the old one to another weapon that deserves it isnt "basically making an entirely new weapon" lol

[glass arch]

its literally just

rename murasama to phaseslayer

remove that which is currently phaseslayer

aka wrist pain the weapon

[prisma sedge]

I mean, combined with the upcoming rework, it practically would become an entirely new weapon, but that's not really a bad thing

Like, it isn't casting aside its entire identity, just updating it

[glass arch]

phaseslayer is such a baller name for such an absolutely ass weapon

so why dont we give the baller name to the baller weapon and remove the ass one

[prisma sedge]

Agreed, and with a cool ass design too! Simple, but really effective...if only that saved it

[indigo yacht]

phaseslayer is now murasama and functions in a completely different way

is it still supposed to be the phaseslayer

[glass arch]

what

no

its renaming murasama

and removing the thing that had the new phaseslayers name originally

[indigo yacht]

what

[glass arch]

take murasama

it is still murasama

[warm juniper]

what

[glass arch]

it has a new name now

the thing that it GOT its name from

is now gone

[errant wren]

what is even happening

murasama is transitioning?

[prisma sedge]

Basically, the weapon wouldn't be replaced, it'd just be outright removed, and its name would be up for grabs

[glass arch]

if it helps you think of it just like. swap the names and remove the one renamed to murasama

[warm juniper]

phaseslayer can stay but it just gets renamed while murasama takes its name and becomes phaseslayer

phaseslayer is kinda weird rn tho so id hope it gets reworked too lol

[glass arch]

no phaseslayer gets removed phaseslayer sucks ass

[warm juniper]

but its cool

update it visually and boom

good as new

[glass arch]

that does not fix it

visuals have nothing to do with it

[prisma sedge]

Also an option, but honestly, I wouldn't mind if it got removed! We could trim the cosmilite weapon bloat

[indigo yacht]

if it's easier to just add a new weapon rather than change an existing one into the prescribed concept, then you're just making a new weapon

[warm juniper]

wait isnt it being replaced anyways ||when they update all of the codebreaker weapon tiers||

ok yeah just remove itr lmao

[royal tapir]

Catastrophic yapping

None of this will ever happen because Phaseslayer is gonna get reworked and Murasama is far too iconic

[glass arch]

this is essentially the suggestion

[errant cradle]

a man can still dream 🥹

[warm juniper]

mid

[glass arch]

fuck i dont have the bg

swap the names but not the functionality

then remove the one that got the name murasama

leave EVERYTHING ELSE intact

[warm juniper]

yeah sure its too iconic but why would u want the most iconic weapon in the game to be a sword stolen from another game lmao

[prisma sedge]

Fair point, though it is funny that an argument of both sides is "it's too iconic"

[warm juniper]

sounds kind of bad on paper

[glass arch]

its part of an argument

the arguments are
its too iconic so we cant change it
and
its too iconic so we have to change it

[prisma sedge]

Basically yeah, it's always interesting to see arguments like that!

[glass arch]

its an objective fact being used as reasoning for 2 opposing views

[novel belfry]

the issue with murasama being renamed to "Phaseslayer" is that there's an existing weapon set with "Phase-" prefixes

[glass arch]

simple solution really

make it crafted as an arsenal weapon and make it an upgrade to phaseblades

[errant cradle]

I feel like if that were an issue Phaseslayer wouldn't even exist today

So it definitely isn't

[warm juniper]

yeah

what if we could upgrade it with exo tech too lmao

post scal tiered murasama (post scal bc that'd be broken as shit)

[novel belfry]

i'd rather Phaseslayer be a fitting upgrade to the Phaseblades

[prisma sedge]

Anyways, my take on this is that while I get why you wouldn't change it from being as blatant of a reference, the planned rework really does make a difference there! Because I think it wouldn't really matter if it was a relatively small side weapon you could get that...y'know, is generally pretty effective in battle for how simple it is to use, but isn't exceptional in it's own right

But with how much significance is being given to it, I feel like it shouldn't continue just being "the sword from MGRR", because slowly and steadily, it's already becoming its own weapon from the ground up, and one that a lot of people are probably going to get their hands on sooner or later

[glass arch]

the sprites are similar enough that its believeable, if we're killing current phaseblade then post dog arsenal needs a melee weapon, and if im remembering phaseblades 1.4.5 functionality correctly it functions similarly too

its not a massive stretch to say that its fully possible

[warm juniper]

yeah like it'd be more acceptable if it werent so popular and wasnt as good but its lkiterally one of the best weapons in the game and extremely iconic to the mod, and the fact that its not even from the game that its so iconic in is kindaaaaaa

ykwim

[novel belfry]

honestly i think mura needs a redesign

more than JUST a rename, it needs a redesign

[prisma sedge]

I feel that, yeah! And to be fair, if the name was changed, I'm sure that wouldn't come without some form of controversy from the people that've really grown attached to it, but I think fully committing to the overhaul would be healthier for it in the long run

[errant cradle]

real and true

[warm juniper]

i totally agree and i would of added it to my suggestion but i know thats like never happening lmao

[glass arch]

theres always controversy when something is changed

[warm juniper]

the best we got is the skins

[glass arch]

iirc after the community voted to rename bumblefuck, the devs still got death threats for renaming bumblefuck

[warm juniper]

those people should just be ignored entirely, its like the reddit mfs with cal spoilers

[glass arch]

no matter what with a mod the size of cal any small change can create the largest of controversies

[warm juniper]

the fact the future content doc has to be gatekeeped and has to not include EVERY spoiler out there because of a specific community is insane

such miserable people 😭

[indigo yacht]

the calamity community at large should be ignored at all costs iirc

[prisma sedge]

Took me a moment to find it, but with this said, I actually think some of the contest skins lay a solid ground for what could be a redesign! For instance, in my opinion:

[novel belfry]

dokuro had the right idea to just dip from cal music development

[prisma sedge]

Oh wait, that's a referenced design...not great for the point I'm making, probably-

[novel belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930919073829773353/1295493600842354749/slasher.gif

i like this one so much that im angry it didnt even win a single prize

[drifting socket]

yeah it was totally justified, I searched up the wrong thing once and saw an old reddit comment section just totally shitting on the guy

[errant cradle]

wait huh

Is this in reference to the Future Content Doc

[warm juniper]

yes

[boreal lichen]

red nation

[warm juniper]

i forgot to add future before content doc

whoops

[errant cradle]

I made that doc and I ain't ever heard of this shit what happened

[novel belfry]

concept art relevant to the upcoming desert scourge got withheld from the doc because of redditors

[prisma sedge]

Oh my god, saaaame

[drifting socket]

wonder what he's doing now, I can't find anything recent that he's done (but it's not like I actively looked)

[errant cradle]

I wasn't here for the latter half of last year so I assume smth then???

[warm juniper]

^^

[prisma sedge]

Such a sick design

[warm juniper]

specifically a lot of twitter concept art isnt included in the doc

[errant cradle]

gotta be fucking reddit...

[warm juniper]

and ds sprites

idk why they hate ds so much lOL

[drifting socket]

the scourge is in the doc?

[errant cradle]

I assume this is like

[indigo yacht]

i would hate desert scourge too tbh

[errant cradle]

the blue scourge

[boreal lichen]

the concept art isnt

[warm juniper]

the old one yeah

[novel belfry]

the blue scourge got scrapped too

[errant cradle]

The concept art iirc is on there

[novel belfry]

at least, the first version of the redesign

[drifting socket]

no the

the recent one

[warm juniper]

blue scourge is like 3 itterations/versions behind

[drifting socket]

with the drillface

[novel belfry]

yup

[warm juniper]

its not

it even states the situation at the bottom lol

[drifting socket]

what the fuck I checked that like yesterday and that wasn't there

[errant cradle]

Oh interesting

I'll talk to the others bout it later since we all have a gc together

[warm juniper]

same goes for polterghast fyi

[novel belfry]

at least it shows the cool vfx rework of the scourge's digging and emerging vfx

[warm juniper]

yep

[prisma sedge]

Come to think of it actually, I think it was that one and this one that led me to really want an add-on that adds some of the skins that never made it

[errant cradle]

CALAMITOUS ‼️

Honestly an addon adding some of others that didn't make it would be neat

Unfortunately you'd have to wait for the rework to drop in XX years

[warm juniper]

im praying that the skins arent obtainable via fuckass player names

[prisma sedge]

Hell yeah! It'd probably just be a lot of work

[warm juniper]

just make it like specific dyes or something i dont know 😭

[errant cradle]

Player names/Shimmer/Some other way to select skins would be neato

Just smth simple to cycle through em

[novel belfry]

(maybe we just need to not make it a red katana)

[boreal lichen]

afaik there might be a draedon station for it

[drifting socket]

I think they're shimmer iirc

[errant cradle]

Actually maybe not shimmer cause there's like 40+ devs on the team each with a unique skin that'd be hell to cycle through

[warm juniper]

no no energy katana is badass but its just really annoying how its a direct copy of mgrr murasama

[drifting socket]

but I probably do not in fact remember correctly

[warm juniper]

they could like change the hilt and get away with it idk lmao

and gun sheath if that even exists anymore

[prisma sedge]

I think that was a plan for it initially, but I hope it doesn't stick

[errant cradle]

Okay yeah

[novel belfry]

(like it can still be a katana but it shouldnt be red)

[warm juniper]

make it purple since its post dog now

[novel belfry]

i think the issue is that the murasama alr has a ton of sprites

[warm juniper]

instead of post yharon

im a genius

[novel belfry]

isnt it going to be post-moon lord

[warm juniper]

uhhh

make it cyan/teal then

yep problem solved

[prisma sedge]

Make it a shiv, in remembrance of the shortswords we lost

[indigo yacht]

murasama shortsword when

[errant cradle]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some mod that already adds that

"Calamity Shortswords" or smth idk

[indigo yacht]

[prisma sedge]

Surprisingly, it doesn't seem like there is

[north oracle]

oh I forgor mura skins exist

[grim tusk]

they will be but there will be alternative methods to get em all such as shimmer

this suggestion mentions the reason we cannot rename it

its too iconic

and its a MGRR reference

also doesnt the wiki state that its based on the MGRR mura

i wanna exclam this but honestly i want to see if it even gets more than 10 stars in #suggestions-voting

[novel belfry]

And there's the issue!
It's weird that a reference weapon happens to be so iconic to the mod its from that it outpaces the iconic factor of its inspiration

[warm juniper]

yeah this is my whole point lmao

[errant wren]

clearly we make a "name tag" accessory that "overrides" the player name for name-specific easter eggs

[warm juniper]

murasama being a pin point accuracy stolen piece of content from mgrr doesnt need to be kept un-changed and cherished and coddled because its "iconic"

its a cool weapon but its literally a reference and thats it, nothing else to it

does not deserve to be a staple weapon of the mod

[grim tusk]

its too late for that

and theres nothing we can do unfortunately

[novel belfry]

actually the real reason is that it prevents the sword having lore (old lore draedon's log had an origin for the murasama)

and i hate that

[errant wren]

people would keep calling it murasama regardless

[grim tusk]

the iconic weapon should have been Exoblade tbh

[north oracle]

Nametag vanity accessory would actually be kinda cool, just to activate these effects

[warm juniper]

at the least it'd no longer be a direct reference anymore

[errant wren]

like how nobody actually calls twitter X

[novel belfry]

be fair to twitter, the guy who decided to rename it to X is an asshole

[crude geode]

I feel like there’s quite a number of weapons you can add lore to, and murasama is fine being a straight reference

[errant wren]

thank you john calamity

[errant wren]

well yeah but it's still an example

[crude geode]

There’s already plenty of lore regarding Draedon weapons, with most of the arsenal weapons having a tidbit about them

[warm juniper]

murasama being an exo tech energy katana thats apart of the arsenal weapons set is way cooler than a reference to mgrr imo lol

[errant wren]

i'm completely okay with renaming murasama to "Replica Murasama" and having its lore be "draedon liked the hit game Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance"

[crude geode]

So true hs

[errant wren]

that's clearly the course of action here

[indigo yacht]

i also liked the hit game Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance

[north oracle]

Doing this rn

[errant wren]

[novel belfry]

the reason im a lil peeved about murasama having no lore is partly because it used to have lore

thats why

[prisma sedge]

I get this in terms of nothing being able to be done about people seeing it as the Murasama, but like...are the fans going to stop you guys?

[novel belfry]

i should clarify that this is literally just my personal opinion that isnt even that good

[warm juniper]

right lol

[north oracle]

Draedon will now have codebreaker dialogue about how much he likes MGRR

[warm juniper]

who cares if people dislike the change, look at the calamity community on reddit

[grim tusk]

we had already gotten a shitton of backlash that forced us to change stuff before

[warm juniper]

they hate everything

[grim tusk]

the cal reddit doesnt exist /j

[indigo yacht]

you underestimate the blood stained fervor of the average 12 year old calamity player

[prisma sedge]

I guess, but Tango makes a good point, people will shit on anything, and sometimes the best thing you can do is just not give them any power

[errant wren]

the cal reddit doesn't exist /j

[warm juniper]

it was all just a figment of my imagination i guess

😔

[errant wren]

there isn't really a clean way to rename murasama without a good chunk of the community getting riled up

[prisma sedge]

And I think renaming the sword would probably be a more minor case of that because...yes, it is iconic, and people will probably get heated about it being changed at first, but I guarantee most of them would probably stop complaining when one of them makes an add-on that exclusively and only changes its name back to Murasama, which would probably be pretty early on

[errant wren]

(damn didn't get to finish my joke)

[prisma sedge]

I've seen people make add-ons for...not less, but similarly little, so I'm also pretty confident that would happen

[prisma sedge]

Hehe

[sleek turret]

Billions must videogame reference

[frail fox]

Barrel Blast

[golden sonnet]

If I make a dev item, it will be a reference in the tooltip flavor text only

I will not become the thing I sought to destroy

[north oracle]

If I have a dev item it'll either be a direct and obvious reference or be an abomination dredged from the depths of my mind

[golden sonnet]

Not a direct obvious reference fluffy, you were supposed to be the chosen one

[north oracle]

You can't stop me I'm adding the entirety of rain world to calamity

[tardy geyser]

Rain world spear

Except barnacles right?

[glass arch]

nope

only barnacles

[north oracle]

Sunken sea will have exclusively have barnacles as spawns

[bright crag]

I can confirm

[rugged belfry]

Let's brainstorm some renames

How about Red Sword

[indigo yacht]

personally i prefer "Sword"

much more succint

[ripe owl]

what

[rugged belfry]

How about Asamarum

[umbral gazelle]

murasama from calamity mod vs the red mist from item asylum

[crude geode]

true, unfortunately

[sharp helm]

For maximum succinctness, "Red"

[errant wren]

common ground: "rd"

[serene vapor]

please rename it

[frozen hornet]

Mura-lame-a

It doesn't get much better than this I'm afraid

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message pleaseee

[fleet grotto]

reddit

[gritty plaza]

Call it the "big fucking laser sword"

And if profanity is turned off "big big Big laser sword like properly big like wowza that sword is so big this title ain't even gonna fit on the screen that's how big the sword is it's even bigger than the walk down the street to the chemist's"

Wait no that's also a reference

[umbral gazelle]

erm ackually murasama is high frequency blade

i think

[errant cradle]

uhf murasama finally becomes real

[vestal crater]

What if there was Murasama 2 and it’s just two extra damage

[whole tundra]

@exotic gyro please read the pinned post in #suggestions-posting

[drowsy plank]

^

[drowsy plank]

@exotic gyro what exactly is this fixing? i suggest looking over the pinned document again because you clearly didn't read the best suggestion practices either considering you included a "thanks for reading" message which it explictly says not to include

like at the moment this just reads as a sort of specific item suggestion, even if it is a bit more vague
i dont think the idea of mounts for the abyss is a bad thing, but we already have the abyssal diving suit, so im not exactly sure what niche this is filling that isn't already filled by the items calamity already implements

[exotic gyro]

Abyss is highly inspired by subnautica but it still lacks some mechanical progression . All we need is a abyssal diving suit . Adding those vehicles will improve player experience .

[drowsy plank]

how does it lack mechanical progression

you literally just pointed out the mechanical progression in the abyssal diving suit

[errant wren]

progression does already kinda exist in the form of needing abyss accessories to go deeper

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao

[exotic gyro]

But won't the mounts add more immersion?

[errant wren]

no not really

[drowsy plank]

"immersion"...?

this is a 2D sandbox game idk how ur really getting "immersion" in this...

[errant wren]

immersion is really hard to achieve in a mod with literal eldritch horrors

made of pixels

[tepid crown]

funny because subnautica is completely possible without any vehicles

[drowsy plank]

me getting immersed in the abyss when the wyrm monsters that used to be people start throwing the powers of zeus at me

[errant wren]

not to mention that there is already a mount that you could maybe use

[warm juniper]

the idea of abyssal mounts to traverse the abyss is cool in theory its just that theres absolutely nothing this is filling

it’d practically just be content bloat

[drowsy plank]

if we didnt have diving suit, it would probably be a cool idea, but we have diving suit, so it's just kind of repetitive

[warm juniper]

as they wouldnt be needed AT ALL for abyssal exploration

[errant wren]

hell, mounts would probably be detrimental when dealing with literally anything you would be there for

[drowsy plank]

i think the concept of water exclusive mounts for the abyss is certainly interesting, like a version of the DCU that moves faster in water and lets you use other weapons, but that isn't really necessary and isn't really adding much that isn't already filled by the... existing DCU... and for faster movement you have cute fishron

that's true

besides mining scoria maybe

but for enemies other mounts and swimming work better

[errant wren]

the mount would have to do something wacky in order for the tradeoff to be worth it

like, infinite breath...

[drowsy plank]

like i said the only ones i can think of are a DCU with defensive measures, or maybe a Old Duke upgrade to cute fishron

that's it

[exotic gyro]

Yeah u all are right . But i thought those mounts could change player experience.

[errant wren]

duke containment unit

[warm juniper]

theres nothing to really be experienced lol

[drowsy plank]

adding a button that crashes the game would "change the player experience" but that doesn't mean it should be added, let alone be a good idea

[warm juniper]

the abyss isnt even fully fleshed out yet im p sure

[drowsy plank]

i know there were some changes planned, mostly related to silva

[warm juniper]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

but it's more developed than most biomes in calamity rn

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm juniper]

nothing in this game is honestly big enough or content packed enough to be “immersive”

[gilded citrus]

And its getting some changes in sso iirc

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[gilded citrus]

Nothing major but some changes i think

[errant wren]

can't wait for silva's corpse to provide underwater breathing

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[gilded citrus]

You just rob her lungs

[errant wren]

(it was mostly because of the plants but sure)

[dense locust]

have you considered that with enough defense the shield doesnt neccisarilly break in one hit

[drowsy plank]

yeah no i mean that is just

wrong

you are wrong

[lyric path]

ok

should i remove it

[dense locust]

I mean it technically doesnt break any rules does it

[drowsy plank]

the rule it breaks is just being factually incorrect

which i feel like is still reason to flag

if you just remove the line about shields never being able to block attacks fully tho, it's still a valid suggestion

if you really want that mechanic removed

doubt it's going to get any traction in voting though

[lyric path]

ill just get rid of it

[drowsy plank]

fair

[rugged belfry]

Unwritten Don't: be wrong

[drowsy plank]

pretty much!

[tepid crown]

i mean

a reasoning thats wrong can be ignored

and if its ur only reasoning

then its a lack of reasoning

[rugged belfry]

Which is a Don't in itself too

[tiny minnow]

Astrum Aureus stompy boots might be useful for getting down there fast.

[tepid crown]

just rod downwards, it makes abyss exploration MUCH faster

[vestal crater]

It would be cool with like the handheld machine that makes you maneuver around everything but like

Mermaid

Exists

[echo leaf]

I wonder how useful Glorious End would be for descending fast

[fleet grotto]

bot so dead it's dead

[drowsy plank]

since there was no response might as well @inland saddle about this again, but they're offline themselves so

hopefully they see this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1308300486943965205/suggestion_bot_down.gif

[inland saddle]

I originally got pinged while I was on vacation and by the time I got home I forgor

I just got off work gimme about 30 minutes

[tardy geyser]

Editing suggestions can break the bot?

[tepid crown]

no

[prisma sedge]

I think it was broken by what happened on April Fools, but I'm not fully sure

[tepid crown]

no

it just dies sometimes

[prisma sedge]

Makes sense, though it feels worth noting that the last thing sent to voting was on, conspicuously, March 30th

[tepid crown]

first of all, the majority of suggestions were deleted by moderators before the bot even had a chance to look at them

second of all, there were automated messages by the bot in this channel on april 1st

[prisma sedge]

Hmmm, fair point...

But wait a moment! The last automated message (unless more were posted and deleted) was on April 1st, and it hasn't had any activity since then

[inland saddle]

The bot is back

It was just one of the times Discord decides the bot has been running for too long and closes the connection

[gilded citrus]

Thats a thing??

[inland saddle]

No, the bot is built to watch for edits so that it can flag changed messages that become invalid and un-flag changed messages that were valid but have been fixed

[inland saddle]

Yeah this platform sucks

[tardy geyser]

Ah that makes sense ty

[grave zinc]

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Ares slower]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[glass arch]

💥

[frail fox]

An Exo change…

[warm juniper]

well its a good one

i fought exo mechs during my melee playthrough recently

half of my weapons coujldnt fucking hit ares at all

and apollo and artemis

because they didnt have the range to do so

like i dont understand how true melee is supposed to be viable against them in their current state rn

[frail fox]

That’s the neat part, it isn’t

[warm juniper]

so an entire sub class is "supposed" to not be viable against a specific boss forcing you to not utilize said sub class at all and instead use something more viable

sounds like shitty design to me

[frail fox]

Oh it is, just that they haven’t gotten any changes in awhile is all

[warm juniper]

yeah i find it weird how exo mechs dont get a lot of changes while they happen to be insanely cheesy

like its either you cant hit them at all because you literally cant (short ranged weapons) or they're easily winnable by running in a singular direction

[tepid crown]

this is an awful arguement considering the true melee weapon available at the tier completely nukes one of them

[dense locust]

its possible its just painful

that said twins are a far bigger problem than ares

[prisma sedge]

Yayy

[tepid crown]

also like

ur thinking about this as

"a subclass not being able to use is bad"

[prisma sedge]

Also this is genuinely interesting, since when the conversation around it was active, I really thought the dev consensus was that they wanted to keep this as is

[tepid crown]

there r plenty of examples of other subclasses not doing well on certain bosses, but that doesnt make the boss automatically horrible

[warm juniper]

which would be?

[tepid crown]

dragon rage on thanatos

[warm juniper]

ok thats thanatos

the 1 boss out of the 3 that i didnt list

for a specific reason

[tepid crown]

u called the entire boss horrible

[warm juniper]

i didnt

i said it was shit design

not the entire thing

and even then ill admit that was an overexaggeration

[tepid crown]

you did

[warm juniper]

i stated in this message that its weird how an entire subclass is supposed to be effectively useless against a specific boss

[prisma sedge]

Well to be fair, Thanatos is on the other end of the spectrum there! As far as I've been made aware, Thanatos is to the Exo Mech trio what Golem is to post-Plantera progression

[warm juniper]

not that the entire boss is shit

lol

[tepid crown]

_ _

[warm juniper]

the only thing that comes close to a statement like that is when i said "sounds like shit design" but thats talking about the specific movements not the entire thing

[warm juniper]

..yeah

calling the entire boss horrible would be shitting on its literal design (sprites), lore, attacks, movements, names, loot etc

[royal tapir]

Argument on semantics

🛌

[tepid crown]

well if thats the case, u made ur point intentionally unclear

[warm juniper]

meh ill give you that lol

[tepid crown]

i was never talking about the stuff surrounding the boss

[indigo yacht]

exo mechs kind of do have shit design but that's from the fact that you can move diagonally down and to the left and invalidate all 3 of them for almost the entire fight

[novel belfry]

speaking of bad boss design

I think they should overhaul how worm bosses spawn

[indigo yacht]

I don't think they should overhaul how worm bosses spawn

[warm juniper]

i think they should

[novel belfry]

I think that elsi thinks they should not overhaul how worm bosses spawn

[indigo yacht]

✅

[kind minnow]

someone please remove the midas prime playing "order" when you shoot a coin when your name is V1

[indigo yacht]

i also think that

[warm juniper]

aquatic scourge being able to spawn naturally while being passive is a nice touch to the games environment

[novel belfry]

WHY

[kind minnow]

bc its annoying

[warm juniper]

boss summons are just shit overall

[indigo yacht]

have you tried changing your name to not be V1

that might help

[novel belfry]

this doesnt have to do with the spawn items btw

[kind minnow]

i cant just change a characters name?

[novel belfry]

you can

[warm juniper]

then either way

both are ass

i dislike both

[tepid crown]

yea u can

[dense locust]

there is a rename button on the character select screen

[novel belfry]

this has to do with how worm bosses have this distinct spawn where they're gradually generating segments

[kind minnow]

danm

[tepid crown]

terraria players dont even PLAY terraria anymore

[warm juniper]

what

[indigo yacht]

i definitely dont

[warm juniper]

oh i think i know what you mean

where like the segments all spawn clustered up and it takes like 10s for it to lengthen out?

[novel belfry]

yep

[warm juniper]

yeah thats fucking annoying

[novel belfry]

makes them absurdly vulnerable, even if you pour in five million damage reduction on them for that duration

but guess what

this might be anathema to some of you, but... Infernum avoids this somehow
like, NONE of the worm bosses have this specific issue

[warm juniper]

usually cal devs just slap immunity onto them lmao

like dog

[novel belfry]

they just spawn somewhere a lil away, and then roll in

like already fully generated

no need for the dr

[indigo yacht]

you will not take my 6 second destroyer kill from me

[novel belfry]

that is it

[warm juniper]

half the fight im doing either 1 dmg or no dmg to dog

[indigo yacht]

if more than a single one of the, what, 11 worm boss fights was actually remotely good then i would be more favorable towards changing how they spawn in

[warm juniper]

i think this can be countered by getting rid of worm boss bloat even though worm boss is funny
then giving the remaining worm bosses distinct spawn animations or whatever the fuck so they all dont spawn in coiled up like a spring with a 10s damage immunity phase

[novel belfry]

I mean, we can start by dewormifying some of the bosses

[warm juniper]

like moth deus concept

[novel belfry]

yup

[warm juniper]

i fw that heavy

[novel belfry]

Deus is the best boss for this ivermectin treatment, since he absolutely does not need to be a worm

and he very much suffers from being one

[tepid crown]

i like how as fixes it by just

spawning far away

[novel belfry]

Perforator Hive can have some of the worms be turned into something else

[warm juniper]

destroyer didnt need to be a worm either

its obviously too late for that but like

why

[indigo yacht]

desert scourge is mediocre at best, eater of worlds is kind of bad, destroyer is abysmal dogshit, aquatic scourge is actually pretty good, astrum deus is kind of bad, storm weaver is trashy, dog is awful, and thanatos is there i suppose

[tepid crown]

by the time any on tier player catches up to it, because of how few segments it has, its alr uncoiled itself

[warm juniper]

mech bosses in vanilla represent a part of cthulu but wtf is destroyer

[novel belfry]

he's... a mechanical eater of words