suggestions-discussion

[indigo yacht]

the lore items are directly addressed to the player from yharim

there's probably other examples but I don't remember them

[ancient prairie]

Yeah, they do, but i think it wouldnt work for them

[whole tundra]

I more imagined him sounding like Metal Face from Xenoblade Chronicles 1

[gritty plaza]

yeah but the voice in your head doesn't need to be voice acted does it?

[ancient prairie]

I mean
Is it like lore based? That this voice is only in your head?

[gritty plaza]

no

i'm just yapping

[ancient prairie]

Yewh

So he can actually speak

[olive saddle]

Dog screaming that he doesn't fear death before getting fucking mauled by my flawless nanoblack reaper stealth strike

[ancient prairie]

If we want him to

[gritty plaza]

he can speak if the fanfic requires it

[ancient prairie]

Dog screaming that he doesnt fear death before i hit him with my whip and use him as a lap dog later

[umbral gazelle]

actually ive heard that draedon at one point was voiced by Gianni Matragrano

[ancient prairie]

Video?

[umbral gazelle]

in some exo mechs teaser i dont recall which one

[ancient prairie]

Hmm
What do you think of my suggestion?

Of using dr hayden voice from doom eternal?

[gritty plaza]

what

that's worse

[violet zephyr]

Third Boss Rush theme.

Intended as a teaser for the Exo Mechs theme.

[ancient prairie]

Okay you are right, this voicedoes sound a better
But i think it sould sound a bit... older

[gritty plaza]

i mean i don't think any voice should be used, and definitely not one that's already used in another game

[ancient prairie]

Like this voice but older
https://youtu.be/BQGflbGTwo4?si=TkVUVSLhReiNwh2M

[ancient prairie]

Hey, those are just my ideas, if you had better voiceover suggestion then go for it

[gritty plaza]

my voiceover suggestion is "don't use them"

difference of opinion

like the lyrics from roar of the jungle dragon only get a pass from me cause they're rad as hell

i don't think DOG's lines are quite cool enough to warrant how distracting it would be

[violet zephyr]

DoG ASMR.

[glass arch]

even if it wasnt distracting as hell theres still the issue of hiring the va

[gritty plaza]

yeah that's probably a more important issue

[glass arch]

iirc even the like few seconds of draedon gianni voiced were like 50+ bucks
vas arent cheap

[gritty plaza]

simply run a dog va contest on the discord

winner gets credit

[glass arch]

at that point just ask moonburn lma

[gritty plaza]

"thanks to poopbum69 on the discord for doing dog's voice lines"

[violet zephyr]

nothoughtsheadempty

[glass arch]

"thanks to *vaguely misspelled slur* on the discord"

[gritty plaza]

"we are forever grateful towards ithinkgingershouldntexist for gifting scal with a voice"

[grim tusk]

@ancient prairie never happening, we dont have that budget

[ancient prairie]

Fair

Do i have to delete it or

[grim tusk]

also Gianni voiced Draedon in a trailer

[ancient prairie]

Didnt know before okay?

[errant wren]

what if i provided voicelines for draedon and it's just a really crunchy mic because he forgot to fix it

i'll do it for 2 dollars and a better mic

[ancient prairie]

like an old mic from 2000s lol

oh thats what you meant

[violet zephyr]

Clearly we should use AI for Draedon to make it as realistic as possible.

[ancient prairie]

Lol

[errant wren]

explode

if anything, draedon would have a synthesized voice

[echo leaf]

microsoft sam

[gilded citrus]

Softsam micro

[fleet grotto]

Auto tune draedon to his theme

[gritty plaza]

Use the generic creepypasta tts

Spooky 😳

[gilded citrus]

The tts that people use to read reddit storys on youtube

[echo leaf]

YES

[errant wren]

no you see, clearly the solution is have draedon be voiced by hatsune miku

[fleet grotto]

TikTok female tts voice

Specifically the female one

[gilded citrus]

Idk what that sounds like and i dont want to know

[errant wren]

oh god is it that one

[echo leaf]

male tts voice. make him obnoxious

[errant wren]

[glass arch]

which one the jorksin it one or the other one

[gritty plaza]

I am going to explode you

[echo leaf]

The other one

The one that sounds like a Hanna-Barbara villain

[glass arch]

[gritty plaza]

Make draedon's voice entirely from that one guy on Wikipedia's recording of the entire IPA

[drifting socket]

I feel like this would happen as a GFB/Community Remix joke

And all the voice lines overlap with each other

[gilded citrus]

NONONO

[gritty plaza]

Just a little bit tho

Just enough to make you question if they're really overlapping or if you're crazy

[glass arch]

the answer is yes
they are overlapping and you are crazy

[gritty plaza]

(in ceave's voice) Hooray

[maiden quartz]

Explode date: in 10 minutes

[drifting socket]

Draedon should have a Master from Fallout 1 thing going on

[gritty plaza]

Draedon should be voiced by Niko oneshot

[gilded citrus]

Can you like
explode via cement to the skull

[gaunt needle]

Niko oneshit

[gilded citrus]

:(

[gaunt needle]

Not even nohit smh

[glass arch]

mods dont even do something silly just kill him

[gilded citrus]

Yeah

[gritty plaza]

Mods kiss him

Nkw

*now

[glass arch]

nkw

[gritty plaza]

Wait fuck

I meant kill

Not kiss

[gilded citrus]

Mods kill this chat

[gaunt needle]

They hated Him because He was telling the truth

[gilded citrus]

Admins kill this chat

[gaunt needle]

Or something idk

[gilded citrus]

No

[gritty plaza]

No :)

[glass arch]

no im pretty sure like literally everyone in the mod team likes oneshot

[gritty plaza]

You are not jesus and oneshot is peak

[violet zephyr]

@errant wren @gritty plaza @drifting socket @gilded citrus @maiden quartz
For all the people who said it was bad, here is something worse.

[glass arch]

fuck you

die

[gilded citrus]

Fuck you

Die

[gritty plaza]

Mods, kill the tiktok tts lady

[gilded citrus]

I can see the names of the file you send

And i think you agree with what we say

[gritty plaza]

"dreddonn" is the worst pronunciation of Draedon I've ever heard

[gaunt needle]

Hell yeah

[gritty plaza]

It's "dray-uh-don"

[glass arch]

its dray dawn

[gaunt needle]

Dreadone

[errant wren]

die

[gritty plaza]

Actually that's not right

The last syllable has a schwa in it

[glass arch]

its either dray dawn or dry done

[errant wren]

dry done sounds dumb to me

[gritty plaza]

How are you getting "dawn" from <don>?

[gilded citrus]

Dray don

[glass arch]

putting the emphasis on the o in don

[gaunt needle]

Dra e don

[gritty plaza]

It's three syllables, I will die on this hill

[gritty plaza]

Oh ig

Imma keep saying dray uh d(schwa)n but you do you

[umbral gazelle]

🪨

[errant wren]

this vaguely feels like that post claiming that poem was pronounced "pome"

[gritty plaza]

No I'm serious

The e in the middle is its own syllabke

[glass arch]

it depends which vowels you emphasize

[maiden quartz]

Gnashed teeth and boiling blood

[errant wren]

dray E dawn

[gritty plaza]

Pronouncing it quickly gets you something more similar to "pome" than "poe-im"

[glass arch]

i know for me i dont emphasize the e in poem so i do pronounce it pome

[gritty plaza]

No

The middle e and last o are both schwas

[gaunt needle]

Schwa more like []

[errant wren]

anyways please lock yourself in a basement with the lock on the outside

[gaunt needle]

Why would you pronounce that after another vowel

[violet zephyr]

Isn't the a and e meant to be an ash?

[glass arch]

schwa more like shawarma

[median scaffold]

>Be me
>Be clueless
>Open #suggestions-discussion, waiting for people to give their awesome ideas for a mod you like
>Scroll down a little
>This
>?????????????????

[gritty plaza]

So dræ don?

Absolutely not

[gaunt needle]

dr. eidon

[violet zephyr]

: )

[gritty plaza]

that's just how I talk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[errant wren]

that's how i pronounce it

[gritty plaza]

Huh

[median scaffold]

What does this mean?
What's the context behind that?

[echo leaf]

No fucking diphthongs

[gritty plaza]

This is why calamity should add IPA transcriptions in the bestiary

[echo leaf]

NO DIPHTHONGS

[gaunt needle]

Cry about it

[gritty plaza]

Diphthongs are cool

[drifting socket]

Epic

[gritty plaza]

Cry æbœt it

[drifting socket]

Draedon should speak in TF2 Soldier Scentence Mixing

[gritty plaza]

Finally a good suggestion

[errant wren]

yharim's real name is yhārïm

[gritty plaza]

Yharim's real name is written in a lost conscript

We have to romanise it

[median scaffold]

True, actually...

[glass arch]

draedon should speak in microsoft sam

[errant wren]

we said this already i think

[maiden quartz]

[violet zephyr]

My name is Edwin. I made the Mimic. It was difficult to put the pieces together. But unfortunately, something went so wrong. And now I can't do anything, but sing this stupid song.

[gaunt needle]

♻️

[gritty plaza]

Yharon should speak in "I stuck a mic at my pet parrot until it complained at me"

[glass arch]

the google translate tts

[errant wren]

NO

[dense locust]

what is this even from

I dont remember it being in the trailer

[gilded citrus]

What

Can we kill them

[glass arch]

jackies box

[violet zephyr]

A FNaF fansong.

[gilded citrus]

PLEASE

[dense locust]

ah

[errant wren]

i keep hearing it

[gilded citrus]

KILL EVERYONE HERE

[gritty plaza]

Mods kill them

[errant wren]

please let me die

[median scaffold]

No-no, what's the context behind your message specifically?

[dense locust]

do it yourself

[gritty plaza]

Fnaf deserves maximum punishment

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[gilded citrus]

I FUCKING CANT :(

[dense locust]

skill issue

[gritty plaza]

You're the moon lord

Yes you can

[gaunt needle]

Skissue

[median scaffold]

Sorry, ML is cheeseable

[gaunt needle]

⛷️

[gritty plaza]

D:

[violet zephyr]

Oh. It was suggested to use voice acting. I said to use AI for Draedon to make it authentic. Then someone brought up the TikTok TTS, so I decided to do this.

[median scaffold]

TF2 sentence mixing is better, smh........

[gilded citrus]

Lmao

[errant wren]

ai voicing is like the least authentic way to create an artificial voice

[gaunt needle]

Sentence mix mvm robots tbh

[violet zephyr]

Authentic because they're both AI...

[gilded citrus]

Mods can we kill scok for being disruptive

[errant wren]

human input in question:

either way, i feel draedon would just synthesize his own voice in a (mostly) robust manner because i don't think he's particularly keen on talking constantly (exo mechs and communication with him is something he actually decides to do)

[drifting socket]

They should just rip the Cam Clarke as Agunim voice lines from Gungeon to use for Draedon so during the fight you'll occasionally hear him shout "I'LL KILL YOU, THEN MY PAST" in a little goblin voice for no particular reason

[gritty plaza]

I imagine Draedon has some communication method far more efficient than talking to chat to the Exos

[errant wren]

i mean to the player

[gritty plaza]

Oh yeah

I forget, is Draedon a cyborg or a robot?

[violet zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNagNezo8w

[violet zephyr]

AI.

[errant wren]

i imagine that he doesn't particularly care about how he sounds other than him being understandable

[gilded citrus]

Complete robot ai thing

[errant wren]

he made his own body, as far as i remember

[gilded citrus]

Thatd be the case

[gritty plaza]

Damn

[gritty plaza]

Good for him

[gilded citrus]

Eh maybe? Does have a creator but that creator could be himself we aint sure

[gritty plaza]

Wait he built his own body from the ground up and he chose to look like a human?

Awful taste

Should've made a fox body

[violet zephyr]

He doesn't really look human...

[gilded citrus]

The recon drone we see is humanoid

[violet zephyr]

He only has three toes...

He's also a giant.

[gilded citrus]

We dont know if draedon has a “true body”

If not

[gritty plaza]

Closer to human than any other animal

[drifting socket]

I imagine draedon has a hive mind between his drone bodies

[gilded citrus]

Then draedon could also be box in supercomputer and humanoid and a aureus model

[errant wren]

i don't think draedon cares for the concept of gender, now that i think about it

[violet zephyr]

He's just a biped with arms.

[gritty plaza]

I'm sure he doesn't

He has robots to build!

[gilded citrus]

Werent that confirmed somewhere

[errant wren]

draethem

[violet zephyr]

Twitter takeover says he doesn't care about it, and he lets people call him whatever they want to call him as.

[violet zephyr]

Twitter takeover...

[errant wren]

theydon

[gritty plaza]

Too busy blowing up the moon or whatever he does to care about being male

[gritty plaza]

What's a twitter takeover?

[gilded citrus]

They plan on mining the moon after moonlord died

[violet zephyr]

During April 1st of last year, Draedon "took over" the Twitter account of Calamity Mod.

[gritty plaza]

Sadly eggman ruined it centuries ago

[gritty plaza]

Oh cool

[gilded citrus]

:(

[violet zephyr]

It was essentially a QnA with Draedon.

[dense locust]

shayy having fun or smth

[gilded citrus]

Oh hey deltaw

[shy flower]

Unfortunately something went so wrong

[gilded citrus]

Fuck you

[gritty plaza]

How have we turned #suggestions-discussion into #lore-discussion

[violet zephyr]

Because lore is cool.

[gilded citrus]

Eh chats becoming lore chat is common

[gritty plaza]

Tis true

[gilded citrus]

Same with lore chat becoming dbz chat

Or onepiece chat

[gritty plaza]

DA ONEPIECE IS REEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL

sorry had to get it out of my systems

[gilded citrus]

Rebeccas going to get alerted…

[violet zephyr]

https://x.com/CalamityModTeam/status/1774735061176226018

Calamity Mod (@CalamityModTeam) on X

The human concept of gender means little to me; you may refer to me in whatever way you wish. Perhaps one day, your species may progress past your rudimentary societal rules and transcend the concept entirely.

X · Apr 1, 2024, 9:46 AM

[maiden quartz]

damn robots are coming for our gender!

[violet zephyr]

Let's also not forget that Draedon also said gay rights.

[gilded citrus]

Gay will be in calamity one day

[dense locust]

this is so awesome I wish people were real

[gilded citrus]

Statis and braelor

[violet zephyr]

That simply says "people".

[glass arch]

hi cog i see you lurking

[gilded citrus]

Cog can you kill scok

[gritty plaza]

good

they can keep it

then i can stop being confused about which one i have

[fleet grotto]

i actually made this post

[maiden quartz]

hahahaha

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/1341109583074037893/DraedonIdle4.gif

interesting

now go back to #suggestions-discussion

talk lore in #lore-discussion

[gritty plaza]

don't kill sock

your feet will get cold

[rugged belfry]

I have never seen voice lines in a sandbox game

[mellow badger]

lol

[indigo yacht]

how did they talk about draedon for so long

[gilded citrus]

Autism

[indigo yacht]

i believe it

[gilded citrus]

I have it

[indigo yacht]

i also believe that

[maiden quartz]

it says gullible on the ceiling btw

it wasn't there before

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-whats-that-funny-look-up-gif-14153998

YOU LIE

[violet zephyr]

Good heavens! Despite all possibilities, you were, indeed, correct!

[ancient prairie]

Hey shade should i delete my suggestion from #suggestions-posting or should i just leave it there?

[median scaffold]

If you want to

It'll be deleted the next day either way

[ancient prairie]

Yeah ill just delete it ig

[nimble totem]

#suggestions-posting message have you considered just... Not having your interact key be your dash key? Wild thought, I know, but relogic already had the foresight to allow you to change your keybinds.

Or, y'know, play with autopause

[gritty plaza]

autopause? you dare come into this hallowed space and besmirch it with that devil's tongue?

[novel belfry]

it wasnt even a day before this sugg soared past 110 stars
#suggestions-voting message

[violet zephyr]

Minor inconsistency.

[drowsy plank]

minor inconsistency; 1 morbillion stars

[novel belfry]

at least this one is something that actually affects gameplay (in a good way)

[sleek turret]

Flip Arrow Sprite

[unborn stream]

enchanted pearl is getting changed in sso right? or am i mixing it up with something else

[drowsy plank]

you're thinking of giant pearl im p sure, which is a giant clam accessory, right?

[violet zephyr]

Enchanted Pearl is getting changed slightly to also increase the chance of catching grab bag type items.

Such as Stuffed Fish.

[distant gyro]

enchanted pearl has a couple of changes

gets an ability to rarify crates, boosts grab bag fish chances on non-legendary catches, emits pearl particles on bobbers when crate catches are detected, and removed a random hidden synergy when used together with supreme box + crate pot which causes it to go through a formula to occasionally override all catches with a hardcoded list of rare items

and i fear the last one is exactly what the suggestion is referring to

[echo leaf]

it probably is

[fleet grotto]

it's because i cooked

[steep patrol]

i want to make a suggestion but i dont really know how to word it properly can someone help?

Add aggro to melee armor
In vanilla almost every(because molten and ooa armor decided to be different) standalone melee armor have aggro value which include 3 set of armor (technically 4 because there are 2 set of beetle armor) which include turtle, beetle and solar flare which doesn’t seems like much but in calamity every melee armor added by calamity have aggro value from the first set like victide to the last set the auric tesla even though these armor are not standalone set but a set with shared chest and leg piece I still think vanilla melee armor deserve to have aggro value

[indigo yacht]

so basically you want to add aggro to molten and ooa armors

[steep patrol]

and every hardmode ore set

well ooa is technically mixed class armor so maybe i should left it out

[indigo yacht]

Add missing aggro stats to vanilla melee armor sets

In vanilla, (almost) all dedicated melee sets increase the player's aggro. In Calamity, all added multiclass sets (armor sets that have unique helmets corresponding to different classes, such as Hallowed armor) also increase the player's aggro when wearing the melee helmet. However, this does not extend to vanilla multiclass sets, namely the Old One's Army sets and the Hardmode Ore armor sets, and also Molten armor for some reason. To improve consistency between the melee class and vanilla and Calamity, the aforementioned melee armor sets should be given an aggro value.

something like that?

[steep patrol]

sounds great

the word multiclass may sound confusing tho

[grizzled dome]

also you typed "nameless" instead of "namely".

[steep patrol]

probably fighting with their autocorrect atm

[indigo yacht]

some day my phone will revolt in the machine revolution and i will finally have an excuse to blow it up

it's already fighting back

[steep patrol]

sounds about right

add aggro to every melee armor doesnt sounded like extreme effort right?

[indigo yacht]

would probably just take like 10 minutes

so no

a lot of the armor sets already have changes so presumably they could just add one line to the file

[steep patrol]

yeah thats my thought

would it be proper if i just copy paste your message or you want to do it yourself?

[indigo yacht]

you can, i dont mind

[steep patrol]

thanks a lot

appreciate the help

[olive saddle]

I actually dislike the increased aggro on melee sets

[steep patrol]

i wanna hear more about your point

[olive saddle]

i dont agree with being forced to take aggro becasue you picked a class that cant really be countered that easily, +1,000 aggro on melee helmet. flesh knuckles are 400 aggro, meaning you'd need more than two to even counter the godslayer helmet. i sometimes want to take aggro when playing a different class and my friend is playing melee and its often frustrating when i just fucking cant becuase the melee armor set increases your aggro by a level of ONE THOUSAND 😭

[steep patrol]

well i see

not only that but accessories on other class also tend to reduce aggro too (and it is also rogue main mechanic)

the fact that calamity doesnt add any accessories that increases aggro doesnt help either

invisible pot can help a bit tho

[olive saddle]

doesnt invis pot go away when you take damage

[steep patrol]

make suggession about more aggro accessories i guess

[glass arch]

great news

aggro barely works

i regularly get targeted with -400 aggro when one of my friends is right there with +1400

[steep patrol]

it depend on distance too

[grizzled dome]

Aggro isn't a targeting priority thing. It's the distance at which enemies notice you exist.

[olive saddle]

i knew this but

[olive saddle]

not this

[steep patrol]

Armor and other items that "increase/decrease enemy targeting" cause enemies to consider a player to be closer or farther away than they actually are
Most enemies will only attack the target they are closest to. They will determine the player's distance first

[tardy geyser]

clearly love and stink potion should increase and reduce aggro respectively

[gilded citrus]

I thought they changed shop prices

[median scaffold]

They're basically vanity in the form of potions

[glass arch]

@silver bramble reminder to keep one suggestion per message

[silver bramble]

felt odder to spam two at once

also i'm slowmoded so i can't separate them

[glass arch]

yeah just have to wait for the slowmode to end

[silver bramble]

have these suggestions been made before

[glass arch]

otherwise people will have to vote for both or neither

[drowsy plank]

yes

also jacob is correct this will be invalid because the bot cannot read two at once

[drifting socket]

You can delete one from the message and then post it later

[thorn dock]

Or
Implement more* less spawn/ more enemy spawn* accs.

For example
Within a tile radius of X around the player, enemy spawns might be increased or decreased.

Or
Specific accs that mimic aggro mechanics.

Example:
When having another Player around in a tile radius of X, become friendly (like the drop from slime King) when dropping below 33% healh.
Y cooldown

[drowsy plank]

what

[silver bramble]

i was keeping track of the suggestion for like 6 mins then i forgot it existed

fixed now

[indigo yacht]

...so about the ui thing

isn't that how all meters work

[drowsy plank]

no

[indigo yacht]

like for example, the breathing meter

[drowsy plank]

wait

maybe

[errant wren]

uhhh

[indigo yacht]

when i say "all meters" i mean the conditional ones that warn you before you take damage

[drowsy plank]

rogue bar and breath meter move with the player dont they?

[errant wren]

i thought the breathing meter stuck to the player

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[errant wren]

that being said, yeah that should probably be stuck onto the player

[gaunt needle]

aren't all calamity bars configurable

like you can move them to anywhere on your screen

[errant wren]

since you're (probably) looking at your character

[errant wren]

i think?

i feel like it might be more of a problem specifically for the sulphur meter

not really sure though

[violet zephyr]

Not the Rogue meter.

Breath does.

[gaunt needle]

the sulphur meter is weird because it's pretty much the same as breathing bar, except it stays on the middle of your screen when you go near world edges

[errant wren]

well yeah that's

[violet zephyr]

I think it is a limitation of how Calamity's UIs are, being dependant on the screen, rather than the player.

[woven yarrow]

Same applies to the charge meter for dreadon gear

[gaunt needle]

i really don't think there is a lot of reason to make sulphur meter the same as everything else and instead just stick it to the player

[violet zephyr]

You could put your Rage bar under your character, and it'd look the same as the Stealth bar's default position.

[polar bison]

And stealth

[glass arch]

counterpoint

70 deerclops kills no trophy

[graceful mist]

counter counterpoint
Summoning items are not consumables, grind more

I also wonder what trophy you get when shimmering exo mechs lore, since you can craft by using any of exo mechs trophies

[golden sonnet]

I believe it was always ares?

[idle dagger]

As someone who has grinded a boss and had a similar experience for a trophy, yeah I’d prefer to just do the lore method

Although you can’t even get every trophy from lore anyway

As any boss with more than 1 boss entity has multiple trophies

[graceful mist]

But isn't like trophies meant to be rare?

Ultimate reward for patience and skill
A niche thing that people desire to get

You still got relics that drop after every kill and look better (maybe)

Making aspect of getting trophies easier
What's the point? What left to brag about?

[violet zephyr]

I don't think anyone is bragging about a piece of vanity furniture.

[graceful mist]

At least for a sweet screenshot

[gilded citrus]

Then its easier to get if you can shimmer for it

[graceful mist]

Making it 10% drop and then making an item that you can shimmer to get that rare drop

It sounds at least boring

[indigo yacht]

not as boring as grinding for a trophy

[graceful mist]

Not every single player is grinding for them

[drowsy plank]

me when i cheat sheet spawn item

[indigo yacht]

true

[indigo yacht]

so wouldn't having a straightforward way to get them be beneficial?

[graceful mist]

Okay, this is cheating, doesn't count

[violet zephyr]

It is literally a vanity item, why do you care so much that it can be obtained in an easier way?

[gilded citrus]

Its barely a bragging right

[gaunt needle]

It's honestly more of a "why would you waste one-of-a-kind thing (lore item) for a trophy (that you can grind for)" imo

[indigo yacht]

i usually keep lore items, i like to sometimes read over them when I'm bored

[graceful mist]

Why not?
If it is just a vanity item, why can't it be rare vanity item?
I care because, yeah I did spent 150 hours on grind just to find out there is an easier way and I feel broken after that
But my point still stands

[indigo yacht]

to be frank mentioning that it took 150 hours without using shimmer is probably not helping your argument

[gilded citrus]

Its probably why they added it…

[violet zephyr]

I personally couldn't care how long you spent on grinding the trophies. I know how long they take, since I've done it before, which is why I don't want others to do it. I'd rather actually have people using them in their builds, rather than destroying their lifespan on something as mundane as killing a boss fifty times.

[graceful mist]

You asked me, why I care, I did answer, but my point isn't about it
Why would I care for how much other people spend on getting them
Trophies meant to be rare from the beginning and I want them be as they were
Rare items
People willing go on grinding rampage to get them, this is no obligatory task

[glass arch]

rare item means nothing

[golden sonnet]

Lore already only drops on first kill, and floats in place, so you need to go out of your way to shimmer it as you need a hoik, a chromatic cloak, or bubble blocks

[graceful mist]

One man's trash, other's treasure

[golden sonnet]

I don't thinks it's really invalid but I disagree with this suggestion for a few reasons

[indigo yacht]

or also you can use wiring i think! with pumps and stuff

[glass arch]

its not invalid but yeah

[indigo yacht]

iirc thats what i used for shimmering cores in phm because the hoiks were not working and tbh i don't think they actually work at all

[golden sonnet]

they do, I have used them before

at least they work with lore

the cores might have too big of a hitbox

[indigo yacht]

hm alright

[golden sonnet]

probably the case tbh

[tardy geyser]

remove lore items iirc

[gilded citrus]

But how else will we get our daily yhapaganda

[echo leaf]

yharon loredumps during the fight

[graceful mist]

right in the middle of the screen covering the battlefield

[fleet grotto]

yharon smarter than draedon

[graceful mist]

Yharim*

Yharon is the chicken

[fleet grotto]

€

says yharon so

[graceful mist]

Didn't load the color of the name for some reason

My apolocheese

[fleet grotto]

what

[graceful mist]

Nothing

[frail fox]

Duality of man

[indigo yacht]

if you want to draw aggro,

play melee

[olive saddle]

this is what im arguing against

Stealth rogue is fine since that has different variables behind it and is a conditional

Melees constant is frustrating since its always active

[distant gyro]

that number is oddly high

[olive saddle]

A lot of aggro numbers seem to be very high

I think stealth is ~-1000 too but i could be wrong on that

We got the aggro powercreep

[distant gyro]

max in vanilla is -1200 so fair

okay nvm per piece vanilla fairs just about the same

beetle (scale) 500, turtle 750, beetle (tank) 900, solar 900

in that sense cal is actually undermatching

only reaching 900 at bloodflare

[glass arch]

clearly we need to give every post moon lord melee armor +4000

[olive saddle]

Thrown into the garbage disposal

[olive saddle]

Vanilla having this issue wasn't something I accounted for but also makes sense

[indigo yacht]

id prefer if rather aggro for accessories was increased and maybe some extra accessories could increase aggro as well

[crude geode]

you can do both

[echo leaf]

ditto this

i had to use two copies of flesh knuckles for aggro specifically because there was nothing else

[indigo yacht]

heart broken

putrid scent decreases aggro right

[distant gyro]

naturally as the flesh knuckles counterpart

-400 as opposed to 400

[indigo yacht]

ic

wb like a melee accessory that's half decent for damage but decreases aggro substantially so you're only making a small sacrifice to let your teammate take aggro more or smth

[echo leaf]

I think a better suggestion would be an accessory that does the opposite of putrid scent

if a melee player wants half decent damage and less aggro, there's nothing stopping them from using putrid scent

But if a player wants a damage accessory that bumps up aggro, get fucked ig

[dense locust]

beetle scale

[distant gyro]

the thing is that putrid scent and flesh knuckles are class discriminate

melee has the upgrade using knuckles

[dense locust]

true melee has the upgrade

[distant gyro]

ranger and mage has upgrades each using scent

[dense locust]

regular melee gains virtually nothing besides the knockback

[distant gyro]

true melee taking aggro is moreso important

[echo leaf]

yeah, putrid scent upgrades are for rang*r and mage only, but nothing's stopping anyone else from using putrid scent
It alone is 5% allclass damage and 5% allclass crits

[dense locust]

summoner crits no way

[echo leaf]

zerker glove is the only accessory flesh knuckles upgrade into that have damage iirc, and the damage is exclusively for true melee

[distant gyro]

to be fair the funny here is that the thing this aggro thing is trying to prevent is having your melee friend play from a far range

you would actually be doing scrap if you, a true melee player, is actively taken away aggro

[echo leaf]

Coming in SSO part 2: All crit chance on summoner now has a chance for critical knockback, doubling minion knockback on those hits

[dense locust]

tbh I kinda forget zerker glove exists sometimes
cal basically completely killed it in the melee speed cull and hero shield is infinitely better

[echo leaf]

Yeah

[golden sonnet]

hero shield is post plant to be fair

[glass arch]

that would be hilarious as fuck i need to learn how to program now

[south bolt]

@olive saddle if I understand aggro correctly than your suggestion would be a nerf to anybody who does purposely raise their aggro to tank

[crude geode]

Only if you’re specifically going melee to tank

[glass arch]

i once again raise the fact that aggro barely works in the first place

[indigo yacht]

doesn't it kind of do that regardless, since generally you'll be much closer and your teammates will be much further

[olive saddle]

Kind of? But also not really. It's more so allowing other people to actually rival your aggro since melee makes it very high. Lowering it on melee armors doesn't change much on its own, it just allows melee armors to not outpace two entire fucking flesh knuckles. And if you're communicating in multiplayer (you likely should) then it shouldn't be an issue since you can comm what accessories people are likely wearing and stuff

[indigo yacht]

I don't imagine aggro factors in a huge amount in that case

[glass arch]

aggro is fucky

most of the time you dont even need aggro you just need to be closer to the boss

[indigo yacht]

simple answer: make every melee weapon a reskin of a ranger weapon

[echo leaf]

Irrelevant request

Solution exists

[glass arch]

solution: remove melee

[echo leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[dense locust]

smh abusing gif perms

[prisma sedge]

There are two types of people in the world: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/1346333574953046026 and https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/1346638303071305799

[olive saddle]

I think both are equally valid tbh

[prisma sedge]

Honestly yeah, they both make pretty good points

[olive saddle]

I'd honestly say vote for Animus's more since its an inconsistency thst takes two minutes to fix vs mine

[errant wren]

aggro when it

[echo leaf]

The only real way to satisfy both is to make aggro unrelated to armor

[errant wren]

we make it a potion buff

[echo leaf]

Maybe an item that you can use which increases aggro for a few seconds

[prisma sedge]

I wonder if that's something the Zerg potion does

If not, maybe it could do that

[olive saddle]

This is ideally what im aiming for. Armor increasing aggro is way worse imo since usually there aren't that many options. There's so many more accessories vs armor sets in this game and it gives you more control

[dense locust]

me getting swarmed by enemies during a boss fight because I used a zerg to boost aggro

[echo leaf]

Well it's less that there aren't many options and more that all the options available either increase aggro or don't touch it at all

[prisma sedge]

Does aggro boosting do anything to bosses?

[olive saddle]

I think almost every melee armor post ml increases aggro and there's like 5

[echo leaf]

"I'm a melee user LARPing as a rang*r, well fuck me I guess now I have 1200 aggro"

[dense locust]

yes

[echo leaf]

Yes

[olive saddle]

If it didn't this suggestion wouldn't exist

[echo leaf]

Bosses attempt to beat the shit out of the guy closest to them
Aggro tricks them into thinking other guys are closer/further than they actually are

[dense locust]

just armor mix smh

[prisma sedge]

Ohhhh, that's pretty interesting!

[indigo yacht]

i agree

[unborn stream]

solution: spawn an extra copy of the boss for each player online and have them each aggro one player

[indigo yacht]

true

[graceful mist]

make player a boss so they could choose, who they will be attacking

Or give summoner all the agro instead

Equally matched solutions imo

[drowsy plank]

fuck the aggro system

one suggestion to add it to more one suggestion to remove it from more what if we just removed it entirely it's not like it even really works anyway

[indigo yacht]

make aggro a boolean instead of an integer

[violet zephyr]

How about we make Aggro potions and all they do is increase or decrease Aggro.

[coral carbon]

how about we make aggro potions that when you drink them they

remove the aggro

[graceful mist]

I don't think items that make it less then would make much sense

[coral carbon]

stupid system

[distant gyro]

the eat me potion that gives you 3000 aggro go

[indigo yacht]

melee potion

[graceful mist]

Potion that stacks aggro more you drink it and doesn't go away after death, so bosses could charge in after spawn

But jokes aside i don't think potion would work

[tardy geyser]

taunting the boss in chat should increase its aggro towards you

[fleet grotto]

higher defense higher aggro or something idk

[indigo yacht]

taunts? like in team fortress 2?

[fleet grotto]

no like the pokemon move

[graceful mist]

It is like this right now..

[fleet grotto]

what

[crude geode]

Not at all

If you mean melee helm than that’s like 5 defense difference

[graceful mist]

But doesn't better armor give more aggro to melee?

[fleet grotto]

yeah it does that's not what im saying though...

all classes can have high defense

[graceful mist]

Yeah, but melee meant to have more than others

Okay I lost a point

[distant gyro]

i think its more in the interest of having the boss be in your melee range

in a non-melee inclusive scenario summoner also gets more aggro over the rest if they run bers glove but they would only ever do that if they use whips

[steep patrol]

Berserker glove still increase whip size?

[distant gyro]

i was thinking of a vanilla setting i think cal changes made it not so compatible anymore

[steep patrol]

do melee speed still affect whip in cal?

[dense locust]

yes

[distant gyro]

yep

just that berserker glove no longer has melee speed

[drowsy plank]

isnt this

already true

and also being removed next update or something

[graceful mist]

oh great

[graceful mist]

not already

[drowsy plank]

i swore there was hellstone in crates

[graceful mist]

Hellstone crates give nothing but items

[unborn stream]

yeah next update is gutting fishing

[unborn stream]

there is hellstone in brimstone crates iirc

[drowsy plank]

oh i c

so not entirely wrong

[graceful mist]

but brimstone crates yeah

they give you hellstone

[unborn stream]

next update removes all calamity drops from vanilla crates and also changes calamity crates to a generic loot table with mostly only the main item changed

iirc

yeah according to the changelogs brimstone crates won't even have any unique loot at all

[indigo yacht]

amazing

[coral carbon]

great changes!

[graceful mist]

wdym by "unique loot"

[unborn stream]

453 - calamity crates now have the same drops as vanilla biome crates, with only the following additions: [no mention of brimstone crates]

sulphurous sea crates get sulphurous sea blocks and abyss chest items, sunken sea crates get sunken sea blocks, astral crates get starblight soot and one singular pet (astrophage)

[graceful mist]

Oh

I get it

[drowsy plank]

you'd think the oathswords would at least be in brim crates since that's usually how chest loot is renewable but they were mob drops first so

[unborn stream]

i am trying so hard to not pass judgement for an update that hasn't yet released but gosh

just delete fishing entirely at this point

[graceful mist]

Or wait until someone would make an addon to revamp it

I personally like fishing

I'm not finding it boring or anything

You just sit there and wait for loot

What a life

[unborn stream]

i mean yeah i love fishing

which is why these changes frustrate me so much

[graceful mist]

feels wrong to have these

i think fishing should be expanding

not shrinking

[olive saddle]

^

[echo leaf]

I like fishing too

[median scaffold]

I really need to just... try to play the game again, lol

[spice stream]

fishing and farming are peam

[restive nest]

i hate fishing and i want rework for it

at least for crates

farming demon conch for 3 hours isn't funny

and it's extremely boring

[median scaffold]

Fishing is too basic for its own good, yeah

[spice stream]

well demon conch isn’t a crate thing

[restive nest]

"The Demon Conch is a rare pre-Hardmode tool obtainable by fishing in lava."

lol

really

[fleet grotto]

It's just from the lava itself

[gilded citrus]

Never mentions its a crate thing in that

[restive nest]

already checked it

Extremely Rare fishing power / 4500, capped at 1/6 1/45 (2.22%) 1/15 (6.67%)

and after 3 hours i did not get it

absurd

what can increase chances for non-fish loot except fishing power? is there any item in calamity for that?

at least demon conch is craftable in the mod

thank goodness

[gilded citrus]

Theres bobber accessory iirc but im unsure how much calamity actually adds

The abyssal one or whatever its called

[fleet grotto]

no

[restive nest]

to be honest, with all QoL changes in calamity, fishing is needed mostly for potions

the entire rework needed for vanilla fishing, if mods did not fix that, it's not enjoyable

[fleet grotto]

calamity added a blanket fix to potions

that being

not fishing

[restive nest]

blood orbs needed for potions is too much, and some of them requires Cal fish, let me check

[fleet grotto]

blood orbs are quite easy to get if you.... drum roll please

||fish||

[spice stream]

i <3 fishing!!!

[restive nest]

okay i'm wrong, blood orb variants don't have fish

there is other materials that is easy to get

[restive nest]

i don't understand peoples who likes farming for hours

[spice stream]

its relaxing and not life threatening

[unborn stream]

gambling

[restive nest]

💀

[maiden quartz]

every drop in terraria is a gamble

[rugged belfry]

I <3 gambling

[fleet grotto]

what about the guaranteed ones

[unborn stream]

it's a gamble because there's always a chance of a random game crash

[glass arch]

if you're sad just remember that every day is a gamble and then be happy because gambling is awesome

[restive nest]

that's what i want in vanilla

[drowsy plank]

gamble bc you have to actually beat the boss which is 50/50 (you either win or lose)

[errant wren]

99% of gamblers quit before winning big

[echo leaf]

Blorbs are better for potions than fishing imo
So I see fishing as an alternate way to get potions/resources/money

Early game fishing is really great too

[frank galleon]

hello, please tell me what to do if the particles from weapon bosses and so on freeze in the air and do not disappear, but as soon as the bossfight stops they disappear, what should I do?

[errant wren]

i'm not entirely sure what you mean, but first check if another mod is causing this, and if it still happens then i think you go to #1052323733961977947

[frank galleon]

Nvm i fixed

[gaunt needle]

#suggestions-posting message
where would the ankh shield from asgard's valor go? and what about the knockback immunity?

[grave zinc]

@silver bramble - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[UI fix needed in Sulphurous Sea]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[royal tapir]

How did that get into voting

It’s intentional that all meters stay in the same spot on the screen all the time

[drowsy plank]

tbf, it got into voting because of that
if it was a bugfix, i would've directed them to #1052323733961977947
this was clearly a matter of preferences, presumably asking the bar to follow the player instead

[north oracle]

@half imp there's a character limit of 1k on suggestions now
You'll need to cut this one down a bit

[half imp]

ah

idk if deleting the last paragraph is enough

will the bot auto unreact when it's short enough?

[north oracle]

Should do next time it checks, if not a mod can

[half imp]

ok cool

well it should definitely be short enough now

[indigo yacht]

good suggestion

rampart is kind of weak compared to other endgame accessories anyways

[half imp]

yeah

And aegis is too strong

low-key you could even move the knockback resistance off it and be fine

[indigo yacht]

i was thinking about that as well, just moving ankh to rampart

iframes and kb immunity should make it competitive i think

also it would fit the theme of being a wall and helping the player recover after a hit

[half imp]

yeah

immunity to frames

debuffs

and knockback

[indigo yacht]

I'm not sure if the debuff immunity is as closely related to recovery after a hit (it would be closer to refilling health) but i still think it fits rampart better than aegis

[half imp]

it's related to immunity in general

[indigo yacht]

true

[half imp]

more attack immunity, more debuff immunity, knockback immunity

lava charm??

lava immunity:)

[indigo yacht]

cant wait for rampart to make you immune to death

silva revive? rampart revive 🤩

[dense locust]

Rampart now requires permafrosts concoction, a nebulous core, and a full set of Necro armor

[indigo yacht]

finally nebulous core has a use

[dense locust]

It does have a use

You can revivestack with it

[half imp]

immunity to acceleration

make it use exo box

[indigo yacht]

😭

immunity to fun
every melee adjacent item in the recipe

[dense locust]

Immunity to deceleration
Make it use 9999 frozen slime blocks

And a slime god lore item :)

[indigo yacht]

it should give you a double jump for no reason other than to get people to complain

[tardy geyser]

Based suggestion

Would ankh go right into rampart though or have something like a ankh+frozen shield accessory post moonlord-ish?

[echo leaf]

make ankh shield a requirement for asgardian aegis and rampart

[dense locust]

Stabbing you

[echo leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[gaunt needle]

rampart line should also have immunity to water
add arctic diving gear to the deific amulet and abyssal diving gear to the rampart

[indigo yacht]

let's just skip the next seventeen sarcastic comments and just make rampart into the soul of eternity

[frail fox]

Just bring back old rampart with every necklace thrown together (specifically deific but it went into it so whatever)

[dense locust]

Frigid bulwark back let’s gooo

[north oracle]

Make rampart and asgardian aegis into a single acc with all the effects of both

[echo leaf]

I’d be down if there was a way to make it play nice with Statis’ Void Sash

[indigo yacht]

accessory order

[fleet grotto]

add more frog legs to void sash

it'd be balance

[north oracle]

True

Press jump and you hit space

[indigo yacht]

AWESOME

@silver bramble you ought to clarify what reordering entails

[silver bramble]

ah

there is an order to draedon labs

[indigo yacht]

i mean in your suggestion

[silver bramble]

wherein the sunken sea one unlocks stuff immediately

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message I definitely do not agree with reordering the Planetoid Lab to become first as from a normal player's view point, they will less likely figure out more stuff has been added to the skies than fighting Desert Scourge, being lured to the Sunken Sea and finding the lab there

[silver bramble]

can i edit suggestions?

[next swift]

that revive better be busted if im about to go out of my way to give a milisecond of attention to permafrost

[indigo yacht]

yes

[whole tundra]

The Planetoid Lab is never hinted at until you find some of the earlier schematics, or the lab pointers

[unborn stream]

yeah worth noting if somebody is used to vanilla, they probably won't go up directly above spawn when looking for sky islands

[indigo yacht]

the planetoid is quite large and isn't directly above the spawn area, so there's a fair chance you'll see it even when trying to use gravitation potions optimally

[violet zephyr]

#suggestions-posting message
Being unable to mine in the Sunken Sea without Desert Scourge being dead hasn't been a thing since From the Ashes (2 years ago).

[grizzled dome]

The planetoid lab is the easiest to find if you know to be looking for stuff in space. But if you don't know that, you're more likely to organically find the Sunken Sea lab first.

And I think the Sunken Sea lab being first makes a lot of sense.

[fleet grotto]

i somewhat disagree

with the sunken sea lab being found first bit

[indigo yacht]

just off the fact that i almost always have to search for the sunken sea lab and i never find it naturally, yeah

I'm not sure what other reason a person would have for searching through the sunken sea

[fleet grotto]

the biome is quite large and also annoying to explore at times

[indigo yacht]

I guess just explorating the unknown

[tardy geyser]

I think its more likely that a player uses a grav potion and finds the planetoids before the sunken sea

[fleet grotto]

constant breathing issues, blocks aren't all too weak, essentially requiring an armor to have movement

[median scaffold]

Make both of them the first lab

[gaunt needle]

breathing issues are solved by wearing 1 accessory (which is also a guaranteed drop from desert scourge)

[fleet grotto]

make the labs able to get done in any order

[fleet grotto]

you still need to stand still

multiple times

which can be annoying

especially when people love to move!

[gaunt needle]

why do you need to stand still?

[fleet grotto]

ocean crest only regens air when standing still

[gaunt needle]

what?

did it get nerfed?

[fleet grotto]

yea?

a while ago

it also increases mining speed underwater!!!

woah!!!

to be fair sunken sea has bubbles that give you a few seconds of gills

but i don't think that's reliable at all

[median scaffold]

I'm not going to sugarcoat it
Hook + pickaxe

[indigo yacht]

...huh #suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

Huh

So, it was accepted, but never done?

[indigo yacht]

and also #suggestions-voting message

i am confused

also thank you discord for crashing again i appreciate you being vaguely functional

[gaunt needle]

absolutely farming accepts

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Update the Enchanted Pearl accessory’s description to mention treasure]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[gilded citrus]

Huh
Ok

[dense locust]

lots of suggestions this week

[olive saddle]

Do something, literally anything with feral bite

Ever since bountiful harvest (i think) feral bite had its random negative status effects removed and its damage increases removed. While I'm not here to discuss the validity of this, I am here to bring up that feral bite only lowers your base regen rate by half, and that's it. For such a limited status effect this does almost nothing and doesn't impact regular gameplay.

Making it applied by more enemies and/or giving it some kind of extra detriment would go a long way in making this debuff noticeable and viable again.

[median scaffold]

🔥

[spice stream]

fire emoji

[gaunt needle]

Feral bite should have a chance to inflict vulnerability hex or something

[olive saddle]

That is... a suggestion... of all time...

[spice stream]

a chance to instantly kill the player

[echo leaf]

I don't think it was changed at all in BH

The issue with it is that the Ankh Shield and its upgrade block every possible debuff it can inflict

I think this is a good suggestion, just needs some refinement. That last line is not necessary imo but the rest is good 👍

[median scaffold]

They found it later
It was in Hellish Harbor

[drowsy plank]

feral bite was stupid anyway

im sure we could think of something better for it to do but im not complaining about the old one dying tbqh

[echo leaf]

If new Ursa Sergeant still has Feral Bite immunity then having more serious consequences for it would be warranteed

[indigo yacht]

people really care about the giant clam for some reason

[median scaffold]

SSO™️

[dense locust]

minor inconsistency change

[drowsy plank]

awful

[median scaffold]

No

[drowsy plank]

that's one of the few things that balance rod

[idle dagger]

feel like RoD not having a hotkey is very intentional

[errant wren]

RoD doesn't exist

[drowsy plank]

just go get another mod that lets you do this

[median scaffold]

Mark them, please

[errant wren]

explode them, even

[maiden quartz]

sugg disc, famous for being one of the most friendly spaces

[golden sonnet]

I feel like just stating "awful" without reasoning is not conducive to good discussion, but besides that it's been fine

[drowsy plank]

tbf i just was spacing out my messages but this one did feel particularly egregious in basically completely overlooking the balance around normality relocator

and also just

normality relocator

it's right there if you want a hotkey rod

[median scaffold]

"It is post-ML!!!"

[drowsy plank]

people already have gripes with relocator itself just for existing

[golden sonnet]

I would agree with the prior criticism, RoD is balanced by the skill and time to swap to it, and even then is an incredibly powerful tool that can cheese entire phases of bosses. Adding a hotkey not only makes the item much more accessible to use, but completely removes the reason Normality Relocator exists, as a sidegrade that exchanges ease of use for cooldown length.

That being said, I don't think it technically breaks any rules

[drowsy plank]

it doesnt no

that's why i didnt do anything to it

it's definitely not passing tho, even if it somehow managed to get through voting

[fleet grotto]

RoD is made to be a risk-reward situation. Is it better to stop attacking to get out of a dangerous situation I might be able to dodge anyways? Or is it better to be more agressive, risking taking damage for marginally increased damage? That's the entire tradeoff with using it in boss battles

[drowsy plank]

actually wait does this have like

any reasoning at all

[golden sonnet]

Not really, good point

[drowsy plank]

suggestions still need actual reasons behind them and this just kind of feels like a "cause"

[median scaffold]

The RoD is very clunky and annoying to use
I guess...?

[errant wren]

it's minimal

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[golden sonnet]

the reasoning is that it's annoying to use, which is the intentional balancing mechanism of it

[errant wren]

and also objective

[median scaffold]

I have an easy answer for you — summoner!

[fleet grotto]

Exactly

[drowsy plank]

you could make the argument that aiming is annoying if you're using a controller, hence terraria should add aim assist to all weapons

[fleet grotto]

But then again whips and lunic eye/eye of magnus

[median scaffold]

Isn't it subjective or I'm stupid......

[errant wren]

wait

[fleet grotto]

It is subjective

[drowsy plank]

yes it would be subjective here

[errant wren]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[errant wren]

i am stupid

[median scaffold]

[fleet grotto]

Yeah it's okay

[median scaffold]

It's fine, don't worry

[errant wren]

mods, explode me

[fleet grotto]

we all mess up words sometimes...

[median scaffold]

💥

Anyways

[fleet grotto]

hey wait a minute

[drowsy plank]

@burnt beacon im going to flag this because you just don't really have any reasoning in this suggestion. for something this drastic, you'd need to have a pretty good explanation as to why you think RoD needs a hotkey, which you just don't really do here.

[burnt beacon]

fair enough ig but its a very simple thing lmao i dont think its really that drastic either

[fleet grotto]

There's always the "if it's so bad just use another mod" point that could be made

[drowsy plank]

it is literally completely invalidating an item

and normality relocator is already on thin ice

yes i was also going to mention im quite confident that there are other mods out there that already give you a rod hotkey

[fleet grotto]

Yeah there are. many

[drowsy plank]

calamity very intentionally left hotkey rod on normality because it's not as completely busted post-ML with items like spectral veil about

[median scaffold]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2834390125

[drowsy plank]

lo

[median scaffold]

Here's one of them

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2858296368

Here's another one

[violet zephyr]

Fargo's Mutants is another.

[drowsy plank]

it's funny how normality relocator competes with fucking rod of harmony of all things

hotkey rod is just that strong

[median scaffold]

RoH is funny

[golden sonnet]

It is pretty drastic balance, the entire balancing method of RoD is that it requires you to stop attacking and swap to it, adding a hotkey not only means you can continue attacking, but also requires much less input, skill, and player action. This is why Normality relocator has a decently longer cooldown than RoD because it bypasses all of this.

[fleet grotto]

Imo it's still absolutely no competition

[median scaffold]

RoH's only downside is that you obtain it too late into the game

[fleet grotto]

Although i am personally a NR ignorer

[median scaffold]

NR should exist only for builders
Change my mind

[drowsy plank]

i also ignore NR these days but i will not lie and say it is not incredibly strong

lmao the good ol' days of disabling stuff if a boss is alive

funny

[median scaffold]

Disable the player's life is a boss is alive!

[fleet grotto]

hmm... No wire

[drowsy plank]

peak

[fleet grotto]

frick yoy

[gaunt needle]

the are disabled during boss battles

😔

[drowsy plank]

that's so fucked.................

how could they do this to wires......................................

[median scaffold]

😭

Not my wires

[golden sonnet]

and even in it's current state RoD makes fights significantly easier, a get out of jail free card every 15 seconds can negate entire phases and is essentially a dodge every 15 seconds too. IMO rod is a cheese method that is kept to not restrict the player too much but is still just balanced enough to not make it completely free to abuse.

[drowsy plank]

i know fargos just

always makes rod cost HP

[median scaffold]

[nimble totem]

Not just rod, NR too. Costs life if you use it when a boss is alive

[median scaffold]

Most likely NR just reuses RoD's code in one way or another

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[median scaffold]

Or that was a deliberate thing added by Fargo's Souls DLC

[nimble totem]

I think it's a combination of both tbh

[golden sonnet]

I assume it's deliberate tbh

but maybe not, haven't looked at NR

[median scaffold]

Either works

[errant wren]

Normality Relocator doesn't exist

[fleet grotto]

somewhat why i liked it when rod was obscenely expensive

like 25 plat iirc

hell even the crafting route was good because it MADE PEOPLE FISH!!!

[drowsy plank]

100 platinum................

[median scaffold]

...it isn't

[drowsy plank]

it used to be

[median scaffold]

Damn, reading

So hard

(My oopsies, sorry)

[drowsy plank]

make it cost 1 stack of platinum coins

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I've been over it before but I dislike things being free, I would much rather double, triple, even 10X drop rates than just make them crafted or sold

use a zerg for 10 seconds like a real gamer

[drowsy plank]

if they just made it a 1% drop instead of a 0.2% drop would be fine methinks

[unborn stream]

0.25% drop from divine crates only

[drowsy plank]

💥

[fleet grotto]

how about we multiply that by 100

[median scaffold]

20%

[golden sonnet]

I would personally rather it be even 10% than just some gold you throw at the wizard

[fleet grotto]

Anything to incentivize fishing...

[drowsy plank]

honestly yeah id take that, i just think 1% or 5% is more reasonable

you know at least a banner's worth

[median scaffold]

Tbh, that will make a... trade, for sure

You either fish, or become good

[unborn stream]

new underground hallow boss that drops RoD

[fleet grotto]

Chaos-er Elemental

[gaunt needle]

RoD can be found in hallow dungeon chest, and rainbow cannon is now dropped by chaos elementals

[drowsy plank]

holy shit phantasia returns

or whatever her name is

[median scaffold]

What

[drowsy plank]

old cal content scrapped hallowed miniboss

[median scaffold]

Fantasia, yeah

[unborn stream]

make RoD a drop from jerod

[gaunt needle]

what if the only way to get RoD is to kill another player that already has RoD

[indigo yacht]

genius

[fleet grotto]

iwthink the "only lowers base regen rate by half" thing should be rewritten bc i think it's going to be prone for confusion

[olive saddle]

Im not sure how to rewrite it

Because that is what it does, though its told in a much more confusing fashion on then wiki

[drowsy plank]

honestly u could prolly just make feral bite reduce damage instead or something lmao

on the thought of what it could do now

[tardy geyser]

Oh I didnt even realize calamity removed the random annoying ass debuffs from feral bite, nice

Does it half all regen or just natural?

[drowsy plank]

just natural bc that's what all debuffs do

[indigo yacht]

wait so let me get this straight: the armor set with a set bonus explicitly designed to trade a lot of your health for greatly increased damage (on top of already not having defense), forces you to use mana potions as the only way you can refill mana, which... substantially nerfs your damage??

[dense locust]

yeah

funny

[indigo yacht]

I'd never really considered that until i put it into writing

that's ridiculous

[dense locust]

its funny because mana regen was litterally not viable when that change was made

[indigo yacht]

kicking while down

[dense locust]

(mostly because its been a thing since the armor was introduced)

which was acid rain??

I thought this armor had been in the game for way longer

hu

[violet zephyr]

That is nearly five years ago.

[dense locust]

its after I started playing its recent to me

[tired haven]

Not to defend whatever the Brimflame apparently is, but most weapons are not substantially nerfed by only using hardmode mana potions to the point where its optimal for dps over a mana regen pot

[indigo yacht]

I'm just talking about the instantaneous mana sickness reduction, not long term since frenzy doesn't last too long

[glass arch]

well i have good news cit is going to look into making the mode also disable mana potions

[dense locust]

its 10 seconds iirc

[indigo yacht]

i feel like in 10 seconds you're more likely to have... mana potions overlap if that makes sense and reduce damage more than if it was longer

[tired haven]

Mmm, not really. I'd assume one to play around brimflame timing and enter it at full mana bar. If it lasts more than 10 seconds, you arent impacted. If it lasts less, then you are forced to either stop firing entirely for natural mana regen (assuming it wasnt disabled), or continue at continiously declining 25% debuff (which eventually averages out to 12.5% after 5 seconds)

Its a different story if your mana consumption is big enough to sinkhole mana pots, but thats not the case for most weapons

[glass arch]

it is worth it to note that cit has also made it so that it also disables mana potions so you flat out just dont get any mana during it

[frosty trellis]

I mean if you frick it up you're just beyond screwed

If you frick up your adren timing you just lose some damage

If you frick up your mana with your brimflame timing you have to know that you can disable it (something I doubt a lot of people know about) or you just stop being able to play the game

[dense locust]

just make it automatically dissable if you run out of mana

[tired haven]

-# technically running out of mana is subjective because it might be the cost of your weapon being too high while you still have 30 mana leftover

[tired haven]

Ah.

[frosty trellis]

I guess that also works?
But that's also just one of those things that doesn't translate well into a gameplay experience

The point I'm making is that you should be able to Regen your mana during it because of the fact that you not being able too only hurts the gameplay experience

Auto disable once your out of mana doesn't help that, still doesn't lead to anything interesting and makes it so you still can't utilize it at least partially if you are unable to Regen for 2 seconds then shoot again

[indigo yacht]

you're right, my point doesn't really make sense in retrospect, but (currently) not being able to use mana regen and only being able to use mana potions means that you're likely to have reduced damage since you can't rely in natural regen

[dense locust]

Idk how terraria code does this so this may be wrong but I would presume theres some kind of check to make sure you can't use a magic weapon if you dont have enough mana when you try
I feel like you could go "if that check returns false, disable frenzy"
but again, not entirely sure

[tired haven]

How does loadout swap interact with the set both normally and during the brimflame set bonus btw?

[frosty trellis]

Unsure
I remember you were able to loadout swap brimflame Frenzy into demondshade like 2 years ago but I have no idea if it still works

[indigo yacht]

i suppose a synergy with low mana requirement weapons is definitely interesting but I don't really know if i like that at all

[dense locust]

just run it with permas

and make frenzy a fire debuff

:)

[frosty trellis]

Not a big fan of needing specific accessories to make an armor set bonus work

[tired haven]

Stay near a conveniently placed statue mob murderer with 30 mana stars in it

[dense locust]

idt this is a "need x to make it work" so much as its "it works better with this"

[frosty trellis]

Don't need to run absorber to make omega blue be able to hit through any amount of DR

[dense locust]

ob has dr pen?

[frosty trellis]

No I'm just making an example of what I mean if say omega blue couldn't

Permafrosts is already damned good

With anything

But brimflame should be good on its own

[drowsy plank]

what does this mean tho

is brimflame... not good on its own?

[frosty trellis]

Weapon dependant

[dense locust]

I mean one could argue you need vexation/frozen shield to make regenetor work in any capacity

[frosty trellis]

Also needs you to pay a lot of attention to mana if you don't use mana potions

[drowsy plank]

well regenator is getting reworked so who give a shit

[dense locust]

true

[drowsy plank]

lo

[dense locust]

more of an example though

[frosty trellis]

Accessory synergies are something I'm more okay with

But armor sets are different

Armor sets should work regardless of your accessories

[dense locust]

ehhh?
idt reaver should be effective with a full damage loadout for instance

ovb thats an extreme example

[frosty trellis]

Some weapons like Ion Blaster just don't work with brimflame

Anything that costs a lot of mana if you aren't using mana flower upgrades is really iffy

10 seconds is a long time but it's not really that hard to find several weapons that get down from full to 0 within like 8 seconds

It makes permafrosts very good with it as a synergy, but also makes it feel like a requirement as not only does permas give you a bunch of mana cost reduction, it also gives more max mana to make it last longer

But permafrosts does that on its own irrespective of Brimflame, permas is cracked