suggestions-discussion

[novel belfry]

(i mean the part where its a general debuff rather than a different type of debuff)

[dense ferry]

It's either going to be typeless or energy

[novel belfry]

make it energy

i think we've had enough typeless dots too

[gritty plaza]

I noticed when Desert Scourge goes invisible, if it's got fire or poison, the particles are still visible after it goes away - should I make a bug report?

[golden sonnet]

invisible?

[unborn stream]

when it summons the desert nuisances

[echo leaf]

Energy? Will that be what electricity is renamed to

[dense ferry]

No I'm just stupid

[echo leaf]

dw i am too

[royal tapir]

God Slayer Inferno has been renamed to The Electric Slide

[echo leaf]

fire at the disco

[gritty plaza]

yeah, when it summons the nuisances it still has the fire particles, even tho the debuff doesn't do any damage

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message this is just

[olive saddle]

What in the SIS is this

[errant wren]

why

[olive saddle]

Firstly too many characters

Secondly SIS alert

[errant wren]

thirdly i don't think that would even make any sense

[gritty plaza]

fourthly this would not be fun

(sorry)

[errant wren]

like none of it

works

at all

[glass arch]

i was just typing something up about how i think the bot doesnt know how to handle suggestions with multiple line breaks but it looks like it can do it fine

[olive saddle]

If by fine you mean it marks it as invalid formatting yws

[gritty plaza]

this guy's about me is certainly something

[errant wren]

it's been fine on that front for a while i think

[indigo yacht]

this isn't a SIS, it's not an item

[gritty plaza]

SNPCS then

[errant wren]

SIS-esque

[indigo yacht]

...SRS exists

anyways calling it that isnt helping anything

[gritty plaza]

SDMG

[errant wren]

well yeah no obviously

[indigo yacht]

@spark wharf the primary purpose for suggestions isn't to suggest cool stuff but rather to suggest solutions to problems currently in the game

[errant wren]

we should've opened with that honestly

[indigo yacht]

lovely though it would be to be able to make the story more interactive, doing that isn't really solving any issues currently in the mod

[olive saddle]

There was a comment schmoovi made about how 99% of people shouldn't be game designers and that gets further proven each day

[errant wren]

pfft

[indigo yacht]

where are these fucking plantera bulbs

[glass arch]

@spark wharf Just so you are aware, your suggestion is overly specific. As such, it has been flagged, making it unable to go into #suggestions-voting. Additionally, your suggestion is nearly a thousand characters over the limit (the limit is, as of posting this, 1 thousand characters outside the title).

[spark wharf]

ahh ok good to know

[indigo yacht]

eh. it's all about perspective and context

[spark wharf]

should i post it in

like

general media?

[errant wren]

uhhh

[indigo yacht]

i mean,

[olive saddle]

Wdym?

[errant wren]

it's

[indigo yacht]

you could do it in like calamity-mod-talk

[spark wharf]

ah ok

[errant wren]

probably

[indigo yacht]

just this isn't suggestions material

[glass arch]

theres nothing stopping you from doing it

[spark wharf]

i still want to share the idea its just that i didnt know where to put it lol

my bad

[indigo yacht]

if you see a dev or something you could ask them about it (just don't be pushy or ping them unnecessarily) but like

[spark wharf]

alr sure

[errant wren]

yeah i don't even go in the other channels so i couldn't tell you much

[indigo yacht]

i don't think they usually take direct content suggestions

[indigo yacht]

good they all suck

[errant wren]

i'll just pop in for a quick sec

[gritty plaza]

it was nice knowing you

goodbye

[spark wharf]

should i delete the message?

[errant wren]

:(

[indigo yacht]

yes

[spark wharf]

alr

[indigo yacht]

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hurry up

[glass arch]

with the suggestion as it currently is, that is most likely the best course of action

[gritty plaza]

make a portabulb

[indigo yacht]

theres one

im not in cal

it didn't even work fantastic what a waste of time

[gritty plaza]

lmso

[olive saddle]

Add a suggestion to add portabulbs to vanilla in #suggestions-posting

[indigo yacht]

i was trying to see if the method i used would prevent the plantera spawning text when i broke the bulb but it didnt even

i guess that's a problem for future me

[errant wren]

uhh

[novel belfry]

Elsi: please give me a portabulb
terraria for no reason:

[indigo yacht]

terraria looking different

[errant wren]

off-topic??

eh

[indigo yacht]

Nuh uh

nuh uh

[errant wren]

peak sugg

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-got-you-gif-18575004

[errant wren]

anyways can we add this to scal's fight

[olive saddle]

Cirrius dies but then she goes april fools and installs cal overhaul

[errant wren]

[olive saddle]

You killed me? WRONG!! INSTALLING CAL OVERHAUL!!!

[drifting socket]

Here's what's missing what again:

Additional tooltips: Mana Upgrades, Rage Upgrades, Adrenaline Upgrades.

Reuse Messages: Rage Upgrades, Adrenaline Upgrades, Celestial Onion

Distinct SFX: Rage Upgrades, Adrenaline Upgrades, Celestial Onion

[novel belfry]

Oh, we're showing off our suggestions now?

[indigo yacht]

no

[drifting socket]

Yeah no I was just adding something that didn't fit into mine

[olive saddle]

Heaven forbid i sit at the ocean for 6 minutes with a zerg and water candle to craft two niche items

[indigo yacht]

apparently doing that in the hardmode desert is even faster

*during a sandstorm

[novel belfry]

its inconsistent for some sharks to drop shark fins, and other sharks (especially ones CALLED SHARKS) to not drop shark fins

[indigo yacht]

wait until you find out about great sand shark

[glass arch]

he gets a pass he summons smaller sand sharks

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-cute-animals-kitten-florian-peters-kati-rimkat-gif-17974000

[indigo yacht]

Good suggestion

[misty lichen]

unrelated but this effect fucking sucks

its 10% damage and 5% melee speed for 2 seconds

[indigo yacht]

amazing

literally like... avenger emblem level

probably a little higher

only for melee

[misty lichen]

i need to stress the 2 seconds part

like maybe if it was 10 seconds it might do something

but no

[median scaffold]

What did you expect?

+25% crit chance?

[misty lichen]

i expected it to not end as soon as your invincibility was over

[frail fox]

You are angry

[distant gyro]

lets bomb reaver rage

[misty lichen]

it’s fucking tooltip bloat in its current state

it does nothing

[indigo yacht]

time for an absurd overcorrection

reaver rage now triples your damage, defense, dr, and crit chance, and also lasts fifteen seconds

[misty lichen]

well that’s what they did to onhit projectiles

[tepid rapids]

#suggestions-posting message some other blocks are also missing walls

exo-auric panel

[crude geode]

Real

[median scaffold]

Tbh, yeah

Its removal wouldn't hurt anyone

[oblique birch]

Wow good suggestion

[ashen warren]

@misty lichen this has already been addressed.

[misty lichen]

og ok

missed an 8 month old suggestion denial sorry guys

[oblique birch]

I see it now

Reaver overhaul

[indigo yacht]

11% hook speed inbound

[vestal crater]

Yeah

I specifically wanted the planty mush walls tho

Cuz I didn’t want to give examples for all walls

[echo leaf]

also caps your i-frames at 120f and removes defense damage

[drowsy plank]

reaver rage now uninstalls ur game

[echo leaf]

Can we do this

[royal tapir]

All of you will be turned into Planty Mush I fear

[unborn stream]

actually planty mush should have a full furniture set because it's one of the easiest blocks to get in large quantities

[drifting socket]

no fuck that

Planty mush, Planty Mush Brick, and Planty Mush slab

All of them should have their own furniture sets

the Planty Mushening has begun

[echo leaf]

planty mush plushie

[gritty plaza]

you are planty mush

[echo leaf]

is that why i’m green

[gritty plaza]

yes

[errant wren]

planty mush? i would expect it to cushion a fall somewhat

[drifting socket]

planty mush vs scal who wins

[errant wren]

planty mush, obviously

[gritty plaza]

planty mush versus sunken sea overhaul

[indigo yacht]

when planty mush overhaul

[echo leaf]

don’t eat the planty mush

[errant wren]

i would actually suggest for planty mush to reduce fall damage, but that's more of an idea than a problem to solve

[drifting socket]

why not?

planty mush is love planty mush is life

[echo leaf]

unnecessary bloat, i’d guess?

[drifting socket]

no the eating

[echo leaf]

ah

eutrophication in the belly

nutrient toxicity

[drifting socket]

Replace every block in the game with Planty Mush

Planty Mush is love Planty Mush is life

All Hail Planty Mush

Planty Mush Forever

[gritty plaza]

Item number: scp-8724
object class: keter
special containment procedures: scp-8724 cannot be contained at this time
description: [50 lines blacked out] planty mush [50 lines blacked out]

[indigo yacht]

this is the kind of shit you would unironically find in the newer entries

[gritty plaza]

yeah but it'd be at -15 and get deleted the next day

[neat linden]

nah that'd be an Apollyon

[drifting socket]

Planty Mush secret seed. Replaces every block with Planty Mush. You get it by typing Planty Mush into the seed

[gritty plaza]

nah they'd have an esoteric class and no explanation

[indigo yacht]

overestimating the scpf community

[gritty plaza]

object class: [literally just a regular hebrew word]

[gritty plaza]

i'm speaking from experience

bad stuff doesn't survive anymore

[indigo yacht]

I'm not sure about that

maybe I just have high expectations but i see a lot of the newer scps are just bad

[neat linden]

newer entries has like less black lines iirc

[gritty plaza]

some of the new stuff is good and some is literally the best shit you've ever read

[neat linden]

I didn't read the newer ones as much

[gritty plaza]

REDTAPE is better than like half the published books i've seen

[neat linden]

I read a fair bit up to series VI

[indigo yacht]

emphasis on some

[drifting socket]

Erm this is #suggestions-discussion we should be talking about 𝙿𝙻𝙰𝙽𝚃𝚈 𝙼𝚄𝚂𝙷

[drowsy plank]

what are the bad ones

generally i just find the problem with modern SCP is that a lot of it is too wordy/complicated, but that doesn't make it bad, it's just not for me

[gritty plaza]

it can be inaccesible yeah

admonition feels like an exercise in "how many long words can we make up before you get mad and leave"

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[indigo yacht]

i just remembered a lot of them relied on the tired tropes that a large number of earlier scps already utilized in, frankly, better ways

[gritty plaza]

which can be good, if you're in the mood for it

[drowsy plank]

everything is a tired trope at a certain point, and i feel like moderns usually handle the themes better when they aren't obnoxiously wordy

[gritty plaza]

rewrites/re-explorations are often really good

[indigo yacht]

maybe, but i find the lack of creativity to be a turn-off

[gritty plaza]

6113 my beloved

lmao if you think using tropes is uncreative you'd hate the contest they're running atm

[indigo yacht]

what is it

[gritty plaza]

public domain contest

write a set of articles using a character in the public domain

[drowsy plank]

that's awesome

[indigo yacht]

i don't see how that's inhibiting creativity

[gritty plaza]

it's not, but i don't think exploring tropes does either

they're both using established things to make one's writing better

[median scaffold]

Fuck politicians

[drowsy plank]

i feel like calling a large swathe of modern uncreative because it happens to explore tropes is incredibly diminishing towards the work put into them

[drowsy plank]

HUH

[indigo yacht]

ok but what i dislike is when they just make the same generic things that have already been thoroughly exhausted with nothing new besides a different monster or something

[drowsy plank]

isn't there a russian mirror

[gritty plaza]

that was copyright actually

[median scaffold]

There's a russian SCP site, I think?

[drowsy plank]

elsi i think you literally just haven't read modern scp then, and im not even that into it

[gritty plaza]

i'm curious, can you give an example?

[drowsy plank]

also i know there's russian and japanese original ones

[gritty plaza]

like what "generic thing" is black adytum copying?

or any of daveyoufool's stuff?

[indigo yacht]

i feel like you think I'm complaining about all scps which I'm not

i used to be really into scps and there are still some cool ones I read up on now and again

but I was made disinterested because i kept seeing the same things and they really didn't seem to have much originality and in a few cases even effort put into them

it wasn't everything, but it felt to me like a majority and i got tired

[median scaffold]

Is SCP 6113 the "trans lake"?

[errant wren]

the huh

[drifting socket]

I used to have that one and the trans rock memorized

[errant wren]

i don't follow scp

[drowsy plank]

i feel like ur complaining about a version of the foundation that hasn't existed for a few years at this point
bc that was definitely a problem at some point, but i would not say the complaints ur voicing are ones that are true of the modern foundation. though it still has problems lmao

[errant wren]

like at all

[median scaffold]

You used to huh??

[neat linden]

I just read it rn

absolutely incredible

[drifting socket]

the numbers I mean

[gritty plaza]

yes

[drifting socket]

I think it's 113 is the rock

[gritty plaza]

it's a rewrite of 113

[median scaffold]

Oh, that's much better than "I memorized the entire articles"

[drifting socket]

which yeah also tranges gender

[gritty plaza]

6113 is one of the best queer stories I've ever read

[indigo yacht]

I'm not sure about that but i don't have any interest in reexploring the SCPF besides the articles the well written articles

[errant wren]

trans rock? yeah some indie rock bands have trans members

[median scaffold]

Welp, then the russian website is trust worthy enough to have the correct information in one way or another

[drifting socket]

oh yeah no I am not THAT autism

[gritty plaza]

i've nearly memorised scp-021-j

the evil water bottle

[median scaffold]

Cog, did you rename Elsi?

[indigo yacht]

i used to be so bad that i would have the rough containment procedures for some scps memorized

[drowsy plank]

no lol

[median scaffold]

Lol

Actually, when did you change your name, Elsi?

[indigo yacht]

i can still vaguely remember... was it 2317?

[errant wren]

this discussion really stemmed from planty mush scp joke

[indigo yacht]

like two days ago

[median scaffold]

Huh

Didn't notice it, then

[indigo yacht]

it was

[gritty plaza]

2317 is kinda shit honestly

[indigo yacht]

bloodletting a chicken

[errant wren]

oh yeah elsi has been exploded for some time

[gritty plaza]

it's very of its time, like that was what was cool back then, but it sucks

[indigo yacht]

at the time i thought it was cool because it threw around a lot of names and big words that i couldn't really find information on and that sort of thing usually fuels my imagination to come up with fun stories

but in retrospect it's kind of boring

[gritty plaza]

the foundation as a whole or 2317?

[indigo yacht]

...2317

[gritty plaza]

mm

[indigo yacht]

why would i think of the foundation like that

[gritty plaza]

idk

[indigo yacht]

i still like some of the new stuff

[median scaffold]

Backrooms were neat, but then 1000+ floors happened, and -1 floors happened, and...

[gritty plaza]

backrooms feels like it should've stuck with just the original

[median scaffold]

To be honest, they were still neat, but I don't remember much from those levels

[gritty plaza]

scp works because of very aggressive moderation

[indigo yacht]

the only versions of backrooms i like is the original and kane pixel's

[drowsy plank]

backrooms becoming SCP but worse was sad

[drifting socket]

the backrooms is evidence of why scp is moderated to all hell

[neat linden]

weakly moderated scp 2

[neat linden]

kane pixels's is awesome

how on earth is he that good at rendering

[indigo yacht]

lol

[neat linden]

and let's not forget the long backrooms video that's all about lamps

who else would make a long video explaining how the lamps work in the backrooms as a part of their series

absolutely no one

[drifting socket]

when are they gonna do ±floors

[gritty plaza]

floor log_θ'(-i)

[indigo yacht]

they should add minos prime to the backrooms

[neat linden]

I wanted to say the i floor

but that probably exists

[median scaffold]

Off topic, but I hella like having unused content in the game's files

[drifting socket]

we were already off topic

[median scaffold]

Even more off-topic

[neat linden]

we're not even remotely close to anything the channel's topic should be

[indigo yacht]

hold on im putting this in #suggestions-posting

[neat linden]

do not

[median scaffold]

Can I send an image of the unused content that made me say this?

[gritty plaza]

i don't think it's against the rules

[drifting socket]

sure

[median scaffold]

A pretty rough recreation, but there's quite a handful amount of content for a removed enemy

[gritty plaza]

woah

[median scaffold]

I have a theory that it could return in the update to the game, but sadly there were no news recently as to when the update is dropping or how much the update is done

[drifting socket]

what game?

[median scaffold]

Capture the Intelligence

[drifting socket]

ahhhh

[median scaffold]

Do you know it?

[gaunt needle]

Is that the tf2 horror game?

[indigo yacht]

no that's casual dustbowl

[gaunt needle]

Dustbowl is attack/defense though, not ctf

[median scaffold]

It is the casual game of Turbulance, wdym

(Jokes aside, yeah, that is the tf2 horror game)

[gaunt needle]

Suggestion: add ctf_turbulance to team fortress 2

(Peak suggestion discussions tbh)

[drowsy plank]

🤯

this is true

ill care more when a suggestion actually shows up

[median scaffold]

We should add CTI to Calamity...

[median scaffold]

Oh, actually, you've reminded me about a suggestion

[drowsy plank]

i mean terraria already has capture the flag

all of no one uses it

[median scaffold]

This one
#suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

i dont think ive ever actually heard of a single terraria capture the flag game

that one is very old at this point yeah

[gaunt needle]

I played on some minigame server at one point

It was pretty cool tbh

[dense locust]

ctg back in the day was peak

[drifting socket]

Thought of a fun ctg idea

two teams on the opposite side of a large world

That's it

try to get the gemme!

[drowsy plank]

im surprised with all the speedrun stuff people do that there was never a conceited effort to organize something like that with popular people

[drifting socket]

Maybe worldgen edited a little so that like the jungle is in the middle so nobody is at a disadvantage

[indigo yacht]

honestly making a mod to generate worlds for this sort of thing could be super cool

crank up chest loot so that multiple players wouldn't be too much of a burden, move some biomes around...

[drifting socket]

well I mean there's always D.I.Y!

[indigo yacht]

yeah but that would be less suffering

... actually it could be more. unsure

[glass arch]

2317 is neat enough

but at the same time

a lot of articles put way too much emphasis on it

it often feels like its the only take on the scarlet king really ever used, which sucks because there are a lot of really cool takes on it

[novel belfry]

doesnt the author see 2317 as something different from the scarlet king too

[vague bramble]

Djkaktus as a dnd dm would be the best shit ever

His scps and storytelling is so good

[gritty plaza]

The scarlet king has kinda been forgotten about

He's just not a very interesting antagonist anymore

[drifting socket]

yeah probably because every fucking article referenced him lmao

[glass arch]

hes interesting in moderation

anyways the best scp tale series is qntms there is no antimemetics division

[gritty plaza]

one of the best for sure

REDTAPE is up there too

and all of queerious's stuff is peak

[echo leaf]

i’ve been procrastinating on writing one

[fleet grotto]

i have a suggestion i like but also i don't like the reasoning because it's more of a personal gripe than an actual issue

[maiden quartz]

whats it

[fleet grotto]

uhh i m not posting the whole draft but

brimmy/calclone hellfireballs (amazing name) (the ones that explode on blocks) are entirely too unthreatening because most people fight bosses on platforms

[errant wren]

me, knowing damn well that i never build arenas and fight on the ground:

i would say that it's kind of a personal issue

though you could argue that it'd be better to have them explode after a set time if they don't hit a block or whatever

[maiden quartz]

it's not a personal issue if the attack itself isn't well-designed

[fleet grotto]

oh iforgot to mention

They do!

However, it's after like 4 seconds

more than enough time for them to become non-existent

[errant wren]

oh yeah

you see

i wouldn't know

i fight on the ground

[glass arch]

dont they hit platforms regardless or is that me only remembering old cal

[fleet grotto]

they do not hit platforms

[indigo yacht]

i don't use platforms for brimmy

I don't make an arena

I don't think making calclones projectiles explode against platforms would change the fight at all

would probably be a good change though

[fleet grotto]

what if it like... shot the blasts that explode into the other projectiles

that would be awesome probably

[indigo yacht]

gigablasts

[sand marlin]

Last I remember having to deal with the explosions kinda sucked so Idk it might just be better to leave them untouched until they change or something

Like you literally cannot stay on the floor

[drifting socket]

Marksman Rounds

[dire snow]

Do they pierce?

[north oracle]

This is really specific, and Marksman rounds already allow you to bounce bullets off coins.

[dire snow]

I just wish In general the coin guns had more tech as the coin has a lot of tech in the source material

[north oracle]

they're a reference to one specific mechanic
terraria isn't ultrakill, you can't just make a weapon that does literally everything from the game

[dire snow]

True

I just would like a bit more tech

It doesn’t have to do it all

That would be ludicrous

Just would be really nice to have more tech

[frozen hornet]

Terraria's "tech" is unique weapons

It's not the kind of game where you give every weapon 17 different uses

It works for ultrakill because ultrakill has like 20 weapons total

Meanwhile this game has like 700 or something stupid

[umbral gazelle]

im sorry but i have to

[dire snow]

As much as I wanna refute it

It is kinda true

But it is a neat reference

And I like it either way

Splitshots would be nice though

[umbral gazelle]

theres major different between ultrakill railgun and titanium railgun

[indigo yacht]

true

[umbral gazelle]

ultrakill railgun shot LASER but titanium railgun fire extremely fast BOLT

[indigo yacht]

midas prime is already really strong we don't need to make it stronger

[umbral gazelle]

and you cant ricoshot the screwdriver

therefore you cant ricoshot the titanium railgun

[dire snow]

Forgot about that

[crude geode]

ultrakill fans when their funny reference weapon isn't more complex than ark of the elements

[dire snow]

Splitshots aren’t complex

You shoot a coin at the right time and it splits into two projectiles

[indigo yacht]

the suggestions channel is (to summarize briefly) primarily for suggesting solutions to problems in calamity. what problem is adding splitshots to the ultrakill references solving?

[umbral gazelle]

heres the real splitshot

it turn one large ammo into multiple projectiles so its split shot

[dire snow]

Ranger isn’t flashy enough

Splitshots are flashy

[indigo yacht]

that's entirely subjective

both that ranger isn't flashy, and that ranger needs to be, to clarify

[dire snow]

Ok

I’m ok with closing the suggestion

[oblique birch]

newly updated ranged weapons brought Ranger to a whole new level of enjoyable compared to the base game

like much much more

[unborn stream]

aquatic scourge:

[ripe owl]

that's uuuh

interesting

[marsh vigil]

Did I do the suggestion thing right?
Idk how it works.

[indigo yacht]

i mean... i think

it's not blatantly wrong at least

[marsh vigil]

Yay?

Sorry if the phrasing is horrific.

[tardy geyser]

Something is approaching...

[novel belfry]

yknow, i dont mind this sugg

[olive saddle]

i would hate this solely because if i see a boss im going to get fucking jumpscared

[novel belfry]

i like it when bosses just randomly show up earlier as a teaser

[indigo yacht]

make primordial wyrm spawn naturally

[dense locust]

it used to

[olive saddle]

i think thats true but i could be wrong

[indigo yacht]

you can probably just check the history

[olive saddle]

i personally dont like this suggestion i feel like itd be too confusing and disorienting to some

[novel belfry]

i dunno

[coral carbon]

To me this is something that, while it would be cool, is ultimately needless and could easily become bloat

[novel belfry]

if you do it right, you can tell its not meant to be a boss fight

like making it decently brief

[indigo yacht]

well, you can argue bloat about a lot of things

[novel belfry]

this doesnt feel like bloat to me

[echo leaf]

can we ban suggs about r*nger

[errant wren]

r*nger (derogatory)

[drowsy plank]

this is kinda nothing so i guess it's fine

like if it appears in the background sometimes like EoC in vanilla ig

[echo leaf]

^

[drifting socket]

Yeah I was thinking about making a suggestion sometime about like

Adding some of those ambient background NPCs

maybe Cryogen bums around the snow

Dragonfolly fly around the jungle post ml

those Providence Guys fly around in the hallow/hell

Scourges in their respective environments

Ig storm weaver too

[novel belfry]

OH SHIT

i have the idea now

Cryo Key rework idea:
think Emerald's idea of Cryogen bumming around in the snow biome

Cryogen has a further lock on it, and the Cryo Key lets you unlock that, to let you fight Cryogen

(to make it fair for players, it will become a normal boss summon after this, so you can just summon cryogen for repeat tries)

[lucid marsh]

cryogen should be a structure underground that looks like a castle made of ice, and you try to unlock the front door, but then the door turns into cryogen

[hollow shell]

terrible combination of letters
I advise against saying that

anyway yeah this sugg is slightly weirdly phrased and a bit short but
The sentiment is valid

Age old discussion about too many bosses summoned by using items

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest idk how this would fix that tbh

bc i dont think that adding more bosses that just fuck around like AS is a great idea tbh

he can be very annoying if ur trying to do
literally anything else in the biome when he spawns

but like i said, for aesthetic and foreshadowing purposes its fine

[hollow shell]

Bosses spawned exclusively with items does make them feel significantly less like part of the world, less natural
And yeah even just having environmental stuff for the bosses outside of their fights, even if it isn't the bosses spawning naturally, can help with that

[novel belfry]

Daybreaker is likely thinking of Infernum and how it does its boss teasers ingame

[rugged belfry]

I do kinda like how AS can be spotted passively

[hollow shell]

(Ceaseless Void chained up in Infernum from the very start of the world is still really really cool)

[median scaffold]

Noxus blocks out the sun
That falls under the "yet to be in the game" category, btw

(If this is regarding Noxus actually blocking the sun and not... flying in front of it)

[novel belfry]

I'm now giggling at the idea of demonstrating Aquatic Scourge's presence driving away dangerous predators from the sulphur sea by like
showing it chase off Mauler

[hollow shell]

They're talking about it flying in front of it yes

[dense ferry]

Tbh Noxus blocking out the sun is almost a shitpost

[median scaffold]

That's actually cute and I like

[dense ferry]

It's such a corny fucking way of foreshadowing Noxus

[hollow shell]

wdym it's cool

All the music goes out and everything gets dark for a second

[median scaffold]

...meh, I think the new Noxus Eclipse is better at pretty much everything (and presenting Noxus too) either way

[hollow shell]

And the fact that it's an event that doesn't repeat itself regularly like a Blood Moon or Solar Eclipse (event) makes it memorable as like, a significant thing that just happened

[hollow shell]

... yeah there's no comparison
The new one is like an entire huge awesome thing

[dense ferry]

That does go into how I think Noxus should never ever be shown under any capacity before you properly meet it

Sure, knowing that something exists and is around is important

[rugged belfry]

This suggestion is also comparable to how EoC can be seen in the background at night

[dense ferry]

But how you meet those things is also very important at setting the tone of the entity as a whole

Sometimes, seeing the thing proper before the encounter makes it weaker, and I think Noxus is absolutely one such case

[indigo yacht]

"She has been attempting to expand her domain, it is of no surprise she sees you as her largest threat to that." oh yeah and then we summon her for some reason

[median scaffold]

It is fixed by making Noxus not Noxus

[hollow shell]

New WotG Noxus is looking to be like, the most foreshadowing and build-up that ANY Terraria boss has ever gotten

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

(yeah Noxus*
Xeroc --> Nameless Deity type beat)

[dense ferry]

I have been wanting to make her naturally spawn if you have Profaned Core in your inventory btw

[median scaffold]

Noxus replacement is a better "term" here, but whatever

[drowsy plank]

to be fair, bosses spawning in themselves has never been something people have been terribly fond of

[novel belfry]

he's called Avatar of Emptiness so lets just call him that

(new noxus)

[indigo yacht]

just make the conditions hardly short of intentional

[dense ferry]

Because the point is that you piss her off by killing the Guardians, and she wants what you took from their corpse

[indigo yacht]

vanilla (mostly) does natural spawns by giving you a warning

and you can circumvent the boss spawning just by like going underground or whatever

[dense ferry]

EoC is the only good one imo

The Mechs Bosses are really annoying

[median scaffold]

Natural boss spawns aren't that bad in Vanilla (except mechs, which are annoying sometimes )

[indigo yacht]

i hate destroyer so fair

[rugged belfry]

Natural boss spawns are awful

[dense ferry]

I do think Bosses should have alternate spawn methods but yeah, the conditions should be communicated to the player and be borderline intentional

[rugged belfry]

Sorry not sorry

[dense ferry]

Like, again

Provi spawning if you have Profaned Core in your inventory

You can solve it by just putting it somewhere else

And it'd obviously take a while for her to get to you

[median scaffold]

While I like this idea, it... doesn't really make sense, as in gameplay perspective?

You already have a summon, so what's the point of making the boss' summon item triggering with a chance every time you go to the biome?

[indigo yacht]

true

what if profaned shard (instead of core) allowed provi to naturally spawn or something

[dense ferry]

Not to the biome, Provi is being untied to Biome-specific enrages so

[indigo yacht]

then the natural spawn would have a purpose

[dense ferry]

Shards are used for Guardians

And like, while yeah, the gameplay side of things is a bit iffy, the point is to add flavor and ultimately Providence's canon spawn method is directly tied to it

She wants the Core back

[indigo yacht]

what even is the core

the tooltip says like "guardians heart" but what is that

[median scaffold]

Oh, right
"... triggering with a change every single frame?"

[dense ferry]

Providence gifted a shard of her power to the Guardians long ago, the Core holds that shard

[indigo yacht]

ah

[dense ferry]

And, obviously, she wants that

[dense ferry]

On this note tho

.

Guardians should spawn without warning

[echo leaf]

whoopsie daisies

[indigo yacht]

daily dose of complaining about mundane aspect of vanilla terraria

[echo leaf]

is there anything better?

[drowsy plank]

how would that even work? would you make people just wait around? that just sounds worse than what it is already

i think we just need more interesting methods, like duke or the evil1 bosses

[dense ferry]

Guardians' theme is LITERALLY NAMED UNHOLY AMBUSH

[echo leaf]

Tough call...

[dense ferry]

Rang*r

[frail fox]

Every boss spawns without warning to simulate real life and how you should always be prepared for anything

[echo leaf]

rang*r is good

[drowsy plank]

awful

[dense ferry]

Or just

[indigo yacht]

you would be able to fight providence without killing guardians by waiting around, if you wanted to skip them for whatever useless reason

[glass arch]

******

[dense ferry]

Yeah

That

[umbral gazelle]

■■■■■■

[dense ferry]

Btw about Duke

I want to go

REALLY FUCKING HARD on how you get to fight him

[drifting socket]

I meant like in the background there but yeah

[dense ferry]

Like, make basically a whole sidequest to it

Old Duke

I'm stupid

I forgot to specify

[indigo yacht]

acid rain t3 is already a side quest /j

[glass arch]

i was about to say

acid rain t3 doesnt exist

you're hallucinating

[indigo yacht]

why did i /j this is completely true

fuck acid rain

[dense ferry]

OD is probably locking T3 btw

[glass arch]

acid rain doesnt exist

[median scaffold]

Overdone has a point, tho

[glass arch]

you're hallucinating

[frail fox]

Can't believe Polter will no longer be unlocking 50% of post-ml content

[dense ferry]

But like, just

Random fucking brainstorm session

[glass arch]

plantera 2 can finally die

[frail fox]

Please

[indigo yacht]

clearly the solution is to make it so that pumpkin medallion and naught present are nonfunctional until killing golem

[median scaffold]

Juts add life alloys to them at this point....

[glass arch]

ok but unironically that could almost be a good idea if it werent for progression skipping

[indigo yacht]

i would rather die tbh

[drifting socket]

yeah

[glass arch]

holiday moons being intended post golem in vanilla is so fucked

[indigo yacht]

"hey you want this sick ass gear? sorry gotta kill the lihzahrd idol first"

[frail fox]

Holiday moons should just be able to happen natually post-golem or something at least

So at least that would make some sense

[glass arch]

it makes sense in terms of difficulty because holy Fucking Shit they are so much easier post golem

[median scaffold]

Minimal crafting economy is BOOMING......

[frail fox]

Huge for all 4 people who care about that

[indigo yacht]

lately every time i think of a suggestion for some reason i always have a small voice in the back of my head talking about no crafting challenges
i have no idea why

[drowsy plank]

not another thing golem unlocks bro is like the load bearing boss for late hardmode

[median scaffold]

Can we just readd "Horrors are coming for your ass..." or something

[drifting socket]

what

[frail fox]

lmfao

[indigo yacht]

the last time I actually cared about them was like 3 years ago

[frail fox]

Post-ML messages on their way to do nothing

[median scaffold]

It wasn't written like that, luckily, but there was a mechanic that made pretty much every boss spawnable naturally with the same message appearing

[frail fox]

Golem is unlocking pirates next

[drifting socket]

that sounds fucking horrible

Devourer of Gods jumpscare

[median scaffold]

That is probably why it was deleted!

Although I don't think it made every boss spawnable

[indigo yacht]

something is approaching

[drifting socket]

that sounds like it would be a thing on get fixed boi!!?!

[indigo yacht]

gps would know

[frail fox]

I thought you were referring to the "Cosmic Horror are Watching" thing that used to be post-ML

Which literally meant nothing

[median scaffold]

What did it indicate?

[dense ferry]

Desert Scourge - You either randomly feel rumbles in the Desert or you see it popping out of the sand to eat something
Crabulon - Idk
Hive Mind/Perfs - They already got the Cysts but they could be a bit cooler
Slime God - Some extra content, not presenting it but related to it

Cryogen - Idk
AS - Already has it
Brimmy - Gatekeeps Crags
Cal Clone - I have a lot already
Analevi - Already has it
Aureus - We have ideas
PBG - Just make Plague stuff more interesting in general and foreshadow their leader
Ravager - We have ideas
Astrum Deus - Background shenanigans

Guardians - Fuck it just make them ambush you
Providence - Naturally comes for your ass if you are holding the Core
Folly - We have ideas
Storm Weaver - We also have ideas
Void - Probably just making it sit in the Archives
Signus - This one is funny
Polterghast - I wanted to add ambience related to him all throughout the game tbh
OD - I mentioned the entire fucking questline to fight it
DoG - Just adding more foreshadowing to him in general, I don't want him to be met beforehand
Yharon - Does he really need more foreshadowing with the Lore Items?
Exo Mechs - TOO MUCH
SCal - Also just more foreshadowing in general

[median scaffold]

What

[echo leaf]

reintroduce it

[frail fox]

DoG exists

[dense ferry]

There

[echo leaf]

for big funny

[median scaffold]

Cryogen is now a structure spawning Cryogen if Cryo Key is used on it 🔥

[frail fox]

I've heard you have ideas

[indigo yacht]

cant wait for yharim to spawn naturally as a critter in the brimstone crags or something

[drifting socket]

yeah I do like that

[drifting socket]

what

[indigo yacht]

what

[drifting socket]

Yharim snail???

[median scaffold]

Behoulder is a thing, you know

[glass arch]

quiet game designer
ideasguy is talking
cluebed

[echo leaf]

you gotta use the guide to peaceful coexistence or else you might accidentally kill him and softlock the game

[indigo yacht]

uh no i dont

[median scaffold]

The thing that drops NO item

[indigo yacht]

sold by zoologist at 0% bestia- oops!

[drowsy plank]

wasnt crab just going to have its summon spawn like queen slime's but in mushroom biomes?

[indigo yacht]

Eyedol?

no wait

thats calval isnt it

[median scaffold]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Bohldohr

[drifting socket]

imagining tiny little Yharims with critter ai bumming about is making my day

[dense ferry]

Oh yeah I rember

[indigo yacht]

what

[frail fox]

(I don't even think it did anything, just indicated that they exist)

[median scaffold]

Elsi...........

[indigo yacht]

that's an enemy in the temple that lets you get lihzahrd bricks pre golen

oh

[median scaffold]

Yay, lovely! More chat bloat!

[frail fox]

Enemy of all time

[indigo yacht]

we need an individual status message when you kill moon lord for every single post ml boss

and they're all completely meaningless

[frail fox]

"Find my Old Dukes...."

[indigo yacht]

LOL

[rugged belfry]

The jungle grows restless-er

[glass arch]

the jungle gains adhd

[indigo yacht]

"The dungeon moreso now than ever does not know when to shut up"

[glass arch]

"polterghast is getting real fucking tired of your bullshit, go kill it for fucks sake"

[drifting socket]

"The Inventor drops his screwdriver"

[rugged belfry]

"There is a big motherfucker in the Hallow"

[median scaffold]

That is so CCR coded.....

[indigo yacht]

"The Devourer of Gods exists"

[drifting socket]

"The Calamitous Witch Calamitas Calamities down the stairs Calamitously"

[rugged belfry]

"There's an irrelevant bug in the jungle"

[median scaffold]

"You know, fuck it. Go fight Nameless Deity. NOW. I DO NOT care if you're yet to fight the Evil 2 bosses — it is time to get wrecked."

[drifting socket]

"signus balls"

[serene vapor]

good suggestion but probably too time consuming for the devs right now

[fleet grotto]

im late, but

[median scaffold]

That is even better 🔥

[drifting socket]

But then again I'm not sure how capable tmod is of doing that

[drowsy plank]

??????

@tough hull im pretty sure this is a specific item suggestion, and this reasoning is awful

also one of these is a donor item

[frail fox]

Just like

Recommend they go into Vivid Clarity or suggest Thorn Blossom to be tiershifted further to be an upgrade to The Prince

[royal tapir]

Vivid Clarity used to use Thorn Blossom or The Prince in its recipe, it got removed because of recipe bloat

[drowsy plank]

honestly where would you even put this purported upgrade in progression?

[tough hull]

i see that makes sense

[frail fox]

Could just replace shadowbeam staff cause elemental ray already exists for the ray part (although idk the rework entails) but it’s not a big deal

Although a weapon line spanning the entire game not going into the final upgrade is weird but I feel like it’ll happen whenever clarity gets reworked (and/or the blossom line)

[tough ledge]

Guardians actually ambushing you with zero warning is sweet

[drowsy plank]

why are people saying this

we had that

it sucked

bosses randomly showing up out of nowhere when the player is unprepared sucks

[dense locust]

something is approaching was peak I'm sorry

[tough ledge]

but Brimstone Elemental guarding Crags...

[drowsy plank]

it's okay to be wrong

[tough ledge]

how will I make my WoF arena now

[distant gyro]

something is approaching

[drowsy plank]

the only time it ever came in use was if you already finished the area you were gonna fight them in

otherwise you'd just suicide on the boss because like

you dont have a place to fight them

like that is why it got removed

you'd only ever use it when you were going to use the summon item anyway so what's the point

that or it would just randomly force you out of the biome

that but with no text message to be able to dodge it just sounds even worse

like did yall play with it at all it was miserable

[frail fox]

I find it funny how I’d just go to the desert or Mushroom biome to make an arena and then having to quickly build one in a panic after the message happened

[tough ledge]

for Brimstone Elemental, I guess making an enemy kill counter could do

[drifting socket]

other side of hell

[frail fox]

Please no polter 2

[tough ledge]

you kill enough of those bastards and the noise will attract the Elemental

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[tough ledge]

let's extend it to 100-ish I guess?

[frail fox]

Okay that’s too many

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure brimmy will be more like a "dungeon guardian" for the far side of crags if rebecca gets her way

[drifting socket]

what the FUCK is that noise can you STOP KILLING THOSE SCREAMING FUCKS

[olive saddle]

make every boss polter ai the mod will become awesome

[frail fox]

Does deus still spawn when you kill 3 Atlas or was that removed ages ago and you only need their hearts?

[tough ledge]

maybe about 50-60 if that's an issue

[tough ledge]

Deus spawns when you place a Titan heart in an altar now

[frail fox]

I think having to kill a certain amount of (a very specific enemy) to summon a boss for the first time is a good idea if executed well

Obviously only once cause otherwise it’s annoying as hell

Kill 5 brimmy children and she attacks you

Polter’s is kinda not good but at least it makes you aware of the boss but could be way better

[drifting socket]

YouTube thumbnail

[indigo yacht]

Delete calamity

delete calamity

[unborn stream]

⭐

[errant wren]

anyways i saw discussion about boss spawning stuff

uhh

make minor desert nuisances a thing with a chance to drop the medallion to summon desert scourge

that would totally work

[half imp]

make dog sneak attack you from the distortion

at any point

iykyk

[indigo yacht]

consider my idea

[indigo yacht]

lore accurate dog

[drifting socket]

calamity community remix core

[wet vigil]

Imagine just spawning into the world as a new player and as you are cutting down the first tree DoG just comes out of a portal and eats you

[indigo yacht]

unimaginable skill issue

uninstall the game at that point, it was never meant to be

[distant gyro]

at least if youre in a hardcore run thats out quickly

[drifting socket]

That would suck incredible ass but I would laugh my ass off

[wet vigil]

And then imagine he spawns in right as you are about to kill skeletron prime

And you die

[drifting socket]

that would be the worst thing to possibly happen in a hardcore run though

[distant gyro]

as opposed to being fighting golem or something

youre in tiny ass jungle temple and you get got by that

[indigo yacht]

just dodge

[wet vigil]

And then someone makes a mod that spawns a DoG every 30 seconds

Imagine the YouTube thumbnails

[indigo yacht]

ill add it to my fishing overhaul mod

[wet vigil]

I love it when random boss spawns are fishing overhaul

[indigo yacht]

the name is a complete lie all it does is make the game worse in a wide variety of fucked up ways

[wet vigil]

Fishing overhaul is a perfect disguise though

[indigo yacht]

currently it makes every boss summon item bait and you have to fish to summon in the boss

[wet vigil]

Maybe add one new type of fish that does literally nothing

[indigo yacht]

i will also make it select a random key on your keyboard every five minutes and when you press it the game crashes, as well as completely removing the martian invasion and making every item you get from it fishable in space

[wet vigil]

Add the ability to get the roxcalibur from fishing in the abyss

For no reason

[indigo yacht]

maybe

[wet vigil]

But you have to specifically be at the depth 1234

[indigo yacht]

ngl i am not figuring that out it would take like 15 seconds to do

oh yk what

duke fishron will be summoned by 'using' a truffle worm instead of fishing it up

just because Fuck You

[wet vigil]

Make the truffle worm be a food buff

[wet vigil]

And make a duke fiahron fishing rod to summon duke dropped by old duke

As the only way to fight him

[indigo yacht]

i do still want the stuff to be reasonably intuitive

[wet vigil]

Oh ok

[indigo yacht]

killing the dungeon cultists for example prompts the mysterious tablet to drop cultist's fishing item

breaking larva does the same

[wet vigil]

Ah

[indigo yacht]

breaking plantera bulbs releases a critter that's used for fishing her up

[wet vigil]

Demon eyes drop themselves as fishing bait

[indigo yacht]

fargos if it was good

[half imp]

I made a mod that gives him a half-life of spawning every 30 minutes (can spawn every frame, equalling a 50% chance every half hour)

[wet vigil]

Impending DoG approaches…

[gaunt needle]

Someone should make a heart attack mod

(a chance to die every frame)

Also potential calamity compatibility: adrenaline increases the chance

[median scaffold]

Rage increases it by 200%

[fleet grotto]

adrenaline charge rate also increases exponentially due to the permanent fear or having a heart attack

[olive saddle]

This already exists

Look up Cardiac Arrest mod

[gritty plaza]

How plausible would it be to make just the desert attunement of the broken biome blade do true melee damage? It seems like a cool idea but it might be impossible to code

[gilded citrus]

🔥

[frail mantle]

i think true melee as a thing is dying

[gilded citrus]

Planned to but not yet

[gritty plaza]

What sort of "eventually"?

Like would it be worth making a sugg or would it be denied automatically?

[echo leaf]

when you jump in water you get eaten by duke fishron

[half imp]

It would be really really easy to do, it's just as hard to do as setting a projectile to do rogue damage

I'm pretty sure it doesn't do true melee damage on purpose

[gritty plaza]

oh

[crude geode]

True Melee is get superseded by “heroic damage” a damage type that gets a bonus against bosses

iirc

[indigo yacht]

stone imp

[fleet grotto]

holy fuck $20 steam gift card

[violet zephyr]

Damn... I missed it...

[sand marlin]

Pretty sure you can't make any suggestions regarding future content @echo leaf

[echo leaf]

WEH

okay i suppose it is

[sand marlin]

I was going to say, before I dc'd: It exists to let changes take time and establish whatever they're supposed to, rather than be twisted the moment they are laid out

[median scaffold]

Wait, you can fight Brimmy pre-Mechs with Reaver Shark?

[echo leaf]

No

You would be able to if Infernal Suevite was pre-mechs

But it’s not

I want Infernal Suevite to be pre-mech so brimmy is consistent with the other mech alts

[glass arch]

mate you gotta edit out the reference to reaver sharks upcoming change or you gotta flag your own sugg

[median scaffold]

The latter would be funny

[echo leaf]

ehhhhh fine

i’ll rewrite it later

[spice stream]

exclamation point

[drowsy plank]

i personally think brimmy is fine where it is

cryo is the problem

it should go AS > Brimmy > Cryo

that way cryonic ore is on the same tier as its boss

[median scaffold]

Actually, that is :true:

[echo leaf]

but then tmelee early hm will suck major ass

gotta fight AS with Bladetongue pre-mechs or Brimlance post-mech1

[gilded citrus]

I did bladetongue…

8 minute fight fun

Totally

[drowsy plank]

I Do Not Care True Melee Isn't Real

if a boss isnt true melee friendly that is a problem with the boss or weapons, not with progression, and is not something that should be seriously taken into consideration when making these kinds of changes i do not respect it whatsoever

heroic will be real Eventually™ and we can stop pretending like true melee is a real class

[median scaffold]

Tbh, true melee should have been a real class from the start, but since it isn't, it probably won't be

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean that's probably how melee should've been designed as a class, but it wasn't and it's too late to put the rabbit back in the hat at this point so

whatever

[echo leaf]

I will figure it out

I do not care if true melee isn’t real I will figure it out

[spice stream]

what tmelee does to a prikki

[echo leaf]

I am so mentally stable

[median scaffold]

The most mentally stable lihzahrd when Witch Doctor

[errant wren]

tmelee when it

[median scaffold]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/TbKYsFfvdS8AAAAd/shlummo-lizard.gif

[golden sonnet]

This is a good gif

[gritty plaza]

Reaver shark is being changed?

[median scaffold]

Yes, #changelogs

Number 538

[gritty plaza]

Huh

The progression skip is still there tho

So it's all good

[golden sonnet]

even if reaver is removed there are 5 other ways to get hellstone preboss

[drifting socket]

how so?

[indigo yacht]

mostly shimmer decrafting because of calamity recipes and added mechanics

[golden sonnet]

1. Reaver shark --> calamity unnerfs to mine hellstone
2. Fishing quests --> lavaproof hook/demon conch --> shimmer for hellstone bars --> get hellstone pick
3. Lava fishing --> lavaproof hook/demon conch --> shimmer for hellstone bars --> get hellstone pick
4. Bars from Hell lab + Bars from Crags chest + red seeking mechanisms from jungle lab (shimmer decraft) --> get hellstone pick
5. Brimstone Crag Fishing --> Slag Crates for bars --> get hellstone pick
6. Find roxcalibur --> shimmer decraft for bars --> get hellstone pick

But what Elsi said yeah, all of them need shimmer, fishing, or both

[drowsy plank]

...you can't shimmer vanilla item recipes?

wait what the fuck

why are these not included in the decrafting exceptions?????

so you can progression skip with fishing quests but god forbit someone decraft aglet into tin bars
like what

[violet zephyr]

"Lava fishing". That's why. (I don't actually know why.)

[golden sonnet]

I do not know, I have wondered this multiple times

I could bring it up I guess

Although that should probably be something after the great vanilla item recipes debate

[drowsy plank]

ah true

[drowsy plank]

you should
also you should kill the flying carpet recipe considering you can just shimmer amber hooks into it now

and amber hooks are craftable

cause if u dont i was literally in the middle of suggesting it

[median scaffold]

Isn't Sandstorm in a Bottle also shimmerable?

[drowsy plank]

Amber Hook > Sandstorm > Carpet

that's the loop

[median scaffold]

Kill Sandstorm's recipe too, imo

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, that is part of the "great vanilla item recipes debate", It won't actually be a big thing or a debate I'm just being dramatic, but there are plans to re-evaluate a lot of current recipes as pretty much all of them used 1.3 as a basis

[drowsy plank]

makes sense

like some of them are fine

boomerang and step stool and such

but others definetly arent

[frail fox]

Carpet recipe staying until it gets removed from auric armor in 2 years 💔

[golden sonnet]

you don't understand, having a desert minecart recipe and zero other minecart recipes added by calamity is vital

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[drowsy plank]

i love how you can craft it but you've still got scarab rod which is completely fucking useless

why is the fishing rod crate exclusive

why did we give the minecart a recipe first

[golden sonnet]

not trying to like, diss old devs or decisions or whatever, but I legitimately have no clue why this was ever a thing

Why is there a recipe for one specific minecart skin??

and why that one?

[violet zephyr]

We needed all the Desert chest items to be craftable.

[golden sonnet]

it does literally look like what was happenening

encumbering srone, conch, bast statue, etc

[drowsy plank]

honestly i should just request that scarab rod be moved to desert chests in vanilla but also i dont feel like going to where ever red finds his ideas

[drifting socket]

I mostly see terraria forums so

[violet zephyr]

I've seen people DM Redigit on Reddit.

[sleek turret]

terraria forums, reddit, twitter

you could argue its the same thing as the fiberglass pole since they have the same fishing power stat

[fleet grotto]

yeah but also isn't scarab only from oasis crates

[sleek turret]

yea

[fleet grotto]

not very convenient...

[sleek turret]

its either crate grind or massive jungle exploration

[crude geode]

Mods when they conflict!

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message you see the issue here is quite literally that the sugg is a frankly unneeded solution to a very minor issue

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message i would like to introduce you to our lord and savior cheatsheet

Cheatsheet fixes almost any bug and is the best qol

[crude geode]

They even mention a solution already present but bc every calamity player needs the game to be as convenient as possible we’re here

[indigo yacht]

...or you could just like. trash the starter bag

[gritty plaza]

config bloat my beloved

[indigo yacht]

even easier, make the character prior to enabling calamity

[dense ravine]

nothingburger suggestion

[gritty plaza]

they should add a config for whether calamity is enabled

[errant wren]

truly

[errant wren]

now this is peak suggesting

[indigo yacht]

also if you're worried about a starter bag messing mod balancing up, what about everything else in the calamity mod?

[olive saddle]

That works too

Open it and trash what you want

[indigo yacht]

disabling it installs a virus on your computer that melts your cpu and detonates your battery

[olive saddle]

Testing this rn

[gritty plaza]

yeah if five mining potions and a pile of bricks mess with balance i don't know what to tell you about literally anything actually from the mod

[olive saddle]

Please be true

[gritty plaza]

calamity is balanced by calamity for calamity

there's a reason we say "don't pair with other content mods except well-made addons"

[olive saddle]

Also that mod is fucking broken btw

Only like two origins are good and they're insanely op

The rest are genuine garbage

[indigo yacht]

personally i advocate for pairing calamity with and ONLY with the "disable mod" button

[gritty plaza]

eh

infernum is decent

[indigo yacht]

wrong

[olive saddle]

Infernum 👎🏻

[indigo yacht]

lies

[gritty plaza]

and that one that adds xeroc nameless deity

[olive saddle]

Wotg is decent

[gritty plaza]

looks cool at least

[indigo yacht]

visual guide !

[errant wren]

infernum doesn't exist

[gritty plaza]

what's wrong with infernum?

[indigo yacht]

in a better world......

[olive saddle]

Terribly designed and optimized

[errant wren]

that it doesn't exist

[gritty plaza]

i would make you stay gets shot

[indigo yacht]

i dont get that reference sorry

[gritty plaza]

katy perry

[indigo yacht]

oh that would be why

[gritty plaza]

i was shot for referencing such poor music

[glad tundra]

#suggestions-posting message just make your character without calamity mod enabled

problem solved

[errant wren]

we said that already but yeah

[violet zephyr]

I have uploaded a visual guide for a different method.

A far simplier one, too.

[violet zephyr]

Here.

[worthy lintel]

config hell

[indigo yacht]

can we add a config option to enable or disable every single change calamity has ever made to vanilla behavior

including all weapon balancing and ai changes

all individual

[gritty plaza]

add a config for whether every discord user is allowed to talk

globally synced

you have to have internet to play calamity now

[worthy lintel]

i think its faster if you make your own mod at this point

[indigo yacht]

why would i put effort in for this

[worthy lintel]

because otherwise it will never come to fruition

vanilla alterations are not getting purged ever

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-mudraptor-barotrauma-mudraptor-mudraptor-gif-27267531

[indigo yacht]

ok but what if 3000000 config options

it would be a good addition to the game

[worthy lintel]

9 of the calamity devs found dead in their respective rooms

[gritty plaza]

add a config for whether calamity should be enabled for every tile

if you enter these regions the game force unloads calamity

[hollow shell]

Don't forget to ping the user to explain what's wrong with the sugg @worthy lintel

[worthy lintel]

oh right im perpetuating a problem we tried to solve oops

@lime cave starter bag is part of base cal and if you dislike it enough you can create a character with cal disabled anyways

[hollow shell]

That is an awful counterargument

[worthy lintel]

it is but omg what else can i say

[hollow shell]

I thought you were going to tell them to trash the bag

[worthy lintel]

💥

[hollow shell]

Also, excessive config options isn't a Don't in the doc anymore, not since we rewrote it

[worthy lintel]

there's still the config disdain in the air

unofficially

[olive saddle]

I think complaining about third mardy pots balance is a good reason for denial

[indigo yacht]

i would consider a config option that only one person out of... how much thousands of people play calamity? would ever use to be useless

same level as a config option to disable all vcmm music

[worthy lintel]

leaving options is never bad up to an extent

[violet zephyr]

I made a tutorial.

: D

[hollow shell]

I personally do think a config is unneeded, because almost all the other configs that pertain to vanilla alterations are for unavoidable or lasting changes
like the movement speed changes or the EarlyHM ore rework

Whereas getting the Starter Bag is a singular event, that is avoidable (you can trash the bag)

@lime cave ... tell your friends to trash the bag

[olive saddle]

If they dont, get new friends or dont play with the race mod

[hollow shell]

And afaik the bag is all items they'll be able to obtain later anyway so it's not like it ruins the origins experience
not for longer than like
the first half of pre-boss, anyway.

[olive saddle]

Or get heros mod to edit it out of your friends inventory

[errant wren]

there are so many ways to just

[violet zephyr]

You won't be able to get a music box until Hardmode...

[errant wren]

avoid the issue

[gritty plaza]

yeah iirc you can get all the stuff (apart from the box) in about 20 mins

[olive saddle]

This niche issue is now your problem calamity mod

[crude geode]

A solution is quite literally brought up in the suggestion of even just not opening it, but it's disregarded in favor of 'cleanliness' for someone mixing mods together.

[errant wren]

this is like a worse version of purposely softlocking a game then getting mad that it softlocked

[crude geode]

hits a block in paper mario for 128 years
wtf why did it softlock

[gritty plaza]

does three different shade skips and near-frame perfect gameplay
bro how do i get out of junk pit

[hollow shell]

alright I think that's enough berating this guy.

[errant wren]

aw man i was gonna type one last message

oh well

but uh

yeah

very avoidable issue

[fleet grotto]

you can craft it if you use vcmm!!! :D

[lime cave]

god damn guys

[violet zephyr]

1. You don't need VCMM to craft it.
2. You can't craft it until Hardmode, due to music boxes in general being locked by the Wizard NPC.

With the Starter Bag, however, you can use the Calamity Title Music Box and shimmer it, and record it to whatever you want.

[fleet grotto]

ibelieve the recipe is pre hardmode

[rugged belfry]

If you ctrl + left click the starter bag it'll actually disable it completely for you

[polar bison]

@lime cave the nefarious trash slot

[fleet grotto]

stop

there's nothing you can say that hasn't already been said

it's just making fun of someone

[errant wren]

yeah we all already bashed on them yesterday

[violet zephyr]

KIndly explained.

Not bashed, kindly explained.

[errant wren]

ehh there was a mix of both by the end

but yeah

they (should) be aware