suggestions-discussion

[sand marlin]

Yeah but isn't it just better for you

[whole tundra]

:shrug emoji:

[frail mantle]

iunno if that's really modmail material

[sand marlin]

True Ig but Idk this seems like it's a more direct thing that can get lost in suggestions for no real reason

Just ask a dev or something

[whole tundra]

Just going to post it

[drowsy plank]

i love nitpicking

ur so real for that

honestly u could toss it in bug reports just as easily but w/e

anyway

lmao all that work just to make ark into a discount stardust enchantment

[indigo yacht]

sorgy i dont speak fargo

[drowsy plank]

https://fargosmods.wiki.gg/wiki/Stardust_Enchantment

[whole tundra]

not really a bug as it's just an outdated description

[drowsy plank]

yeah but tooltip inaccuracies also go in #1052323733961977947

oh hey who was complaining about the plushie ad earlier

[whole tundra]

Is it not mentioning VCMM a bug?

[drowsy plank]

tooltip inaccuracies also go in #1052323733961977947

so

like

misspellings, that kind of stuff

the mod description being inaccurate would probably also count

[whole tundra]

well a previous, similar suggestion of mine got trough and got accepted so idk

[glass arch]

extractinators are

everywhere

[golden sonnet]

extractinator is already garenteed in the hell lab

if you want one that bad vanilla already makes them super common in desert, and hell lab isn't a huge deal to get to especially with pylons and the conchs being craftable

[unborn stream]

because you're going to hell lab in early game lol

[drowsy plank]

yes, my point is bug-reports is faster

[glass arch]

hell lab is

really easy to get to preboss

[unborn stream]

I have very often struggled finding extractinators in the desert or in chests

[glass arch]

by the time you really need an extractinator you can probably get to the hell lab pretty easily

[indigo yacht]

what do you even use extractinators for

like, silt and shit, and scrapping stuff, and that's it?

[glass arch]

:idk:

[sleek turret]

Desert Fossils, Silt

[indigo yacht]

so basically they're useless

[sleek turret]

Slush (underground tundra silt)

Calamity makes it so you can use Draedon Cells on it to get some spare parts and money

[unborn stream]

past the early game, pretty much yeah

[indigo yacht]

when do you need sus scrap and plating

[sleek turret]

Later can be upgraded to Chlorophyte Extractinator that has more uses in general

idk I'm just telling you what do you use it for

[indigo yacht]

the way i see it, silt and co. are completely obsoleted by the existence of spelunker potion (and calamity's gem changes + the underground desert existing)

so that makes power cells the only reasonable use

[sleek turret]

Although they are fundamental if you need to get Desert Fossil armor if you're playing ranger early on

[unborn stream]

wdym the underground desert existing?

[indigo yacht]

oh right that exists

[indigo yacht]

amber

extremely easy gem to get for the like, second best phm hook

[unborn stream]

yeah cnidrions and the worms drop sturdy fossil but not enough to be reliable if you're actually using it

[unborn stream]

that's fair

[sleek turret]

Yeah but they drop like

[indigo yacht]

ok so fossil armor and suspicious scrap

[sleek turret]

1-5?

[indigo yacht]

anything else

[sleek turret]

The worms drop around 1-2 each kill

Not sure about Cnidrion

[unborn stream]

scuttler's jewels

while yeah you can get gems more easily, extra ones of those can be free resources

[sleek turret]

Although Calamity makes it easy by just making Desert Fossils easier to mine since they won't have a chance to dissapear

[indigo yacht]

i think that most likely if you have a jewel or two you've around like a 50% chance that you also have an extractinator

[golden sonnet]

they are already very common in the underground desert, if anything I would say add one to the sunken sea lab as it's in the desert and could be fitting. I am strongly opposed to the idea of just making it crafted

[sleek turret]

You also have gemcorns

[unborn stream]

all in all i think a recipe would fit in well with all the other vanilla item recipes calamity adds

[sleek turret]

just Explore

[unborn stream]

why the extractinator in particular?

there are so many other chest loot items that are craftable

[indigo yacht]

honestly most of them shouldn't be

[golden sonnet]

I think calamity needs far far less vanilla recipes especially for things like this which can very easily be found through exploration

[glass arch]

ive gotten like. 17 extractinators preboss in almost every single playthrough preboss

[sleek turret]

It's not only on UG Desert cabins it has a chance to appear on all cabins

[indigo yacht]

the mentality of 'just add a recipe' is so ineffably boring

[sleek turret]

I think they're primary loot?

[frail fox]

No exploration you must craft everything and go kill bosses

[sleek turret]

Literally 2024

[unborn stream]

okay it makes more sense to say that calamity has too many vanilla item recipes already, i can see that argument

[indigo yacht]

i feel like 9 times out of 10 if you want to increase availability there's a much more elegant way to do it than just "fuck you craft it now"

[unborn stream]

but it was very confusing to have people against the extractinator in particular without this context

[indigo yacht]

in regards to the extractinator thing though I'm unsure whether increasing the availability is necessary

[glass arch]

it also has to do with how abundant they are

extractinators are iirc primary loot in cabins
so you get so many of them

[unborn stream]

idk how y'all are finding so many extractinators they are never abundant for me lol

[sleek turret]

They are both chest loot and cabin decoration I think

[glass arch]

yeah deco too

but i dont remember if they're primary or secondary loot

[distant gyro]

and crate

[unborn stream]

well that's just because crates have chest loot

but yeah

[indigo yacht]

...primary i think? many times i have opened a chest to just have an extractinator, much to my disappointment

[sleek turret]

Still gives extractinator more avaiability

By fishing

[unborn stream]

secondary in underground, primary in caverns i think

well if somebody wants to put in a counter suggestion for dialing back the vanilla item recipes i certainly wouldn't be opposed lol

[distant gyro]

theres most likely gonna be less recipes than more

[golden sonnet]

I already have and it was passed, but it hasn't gone super far. I can probably just bring it up on dev now though

[indigo yacht]

thank you raesh for being awesome as usual

[unborn stream]

ah fair enough lol

if it's a thing that's already planned then I'll delete my suggestion lol

[distant gyro]

i wanted to do it at some point i just forgot

• the 2022 recipe changes was a LOT already

[golden sonnet]

but yeah, I have no issues with extractinator being a bit easier, even if I have personally never had issues adding a garenteed way a bit earlier in progression for desert stuff could be good. I personally would be entirely in favor of moving it from the hell lab to the sunken sea lab

I just hate recipes for everything

[unborn stream]

that's fair yeah

[oblique birch]

find things through exploration is very nice

[golden sonnet]

if it were only up to me I would remove all the ankh charm ingredient recipes, that is how opposed to vanilla recipes I am. Shimmer already halved the amount of items you need for it, use a zerg potion for 10 seconds like a man

[distant gyro]

theres also more fishing encouragement and other things

[unborn stream]

does the sunken sea lab have any unique loot already actually? (not counting the schematic)

[golden sonnet]

just schematic and lore, hell lab already has a garenteed hellforge, some molten bars, and mura, so I feel like it does not need extractinator too

[unborn stream]

yeah

ngl half the time i see the extractinator in there I'm like "oh right i forgot this was here"

[oblique birch]

why extractinator in hell anyways

[distant gyro]

its deco

[oblique birch]

right

[unborn stream]

what if you had to extractinate grab bag fish

[distant gyro]

so its doing a pretty good job at blending itself in

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-posting message
I assume the user was already ripped a new one for this and I don't need to say anything?

[violet zephyr]

Considering the 14 reactions, I'd say so.

[hollow shell]

(the amount of reactions doesn't mean anything. I was referring to this channel.)

[violet zephyr]

Here.

[hollow shell]

ok good looks like people were unusually kind about it

I was expecting "read the rules you dumbfuck"

Good job sugg-disc! You had tact.

[indigo yacht]

they spent a bunch of time writing it out i would have felt bad

when they just put like one sentence that doesn't even follow the few consistent rules english does have then its whatever

[errant wren]

funny modded sword idea, ultimately not what suggs are for

that said, i wasn't there when it happened so whatever

hey what if instead of do__nor__ weapons we had do__nated__ weapons

[golden sonnet]

make your own mod at that point

[violet zephyr]

Make every SIS suggestion as a mod. No matter how bad they are.

[hollow shell]

Final Dawn

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[errant wren]

isn't that just the community remix thingy

[glass arch]

no

ccr actually has some standards

[indigo yacht]

ccr is like bad in a funny way most sis suggestions are just Bad

[grim tusk]

no, that would be closer to Piss and Shit back in 1.3 tmod

[errant wren]

ok damn sorry

[lucid marsh]

Hey actually were any SIS suggestions implemented?

Like. Back when they were allowed

It would be funny to see a list of surviving ones if there are any

[violet zephyr]

Not sure which ones are specifically SIS, but you can search "suggestion" in the Calamity Wiki, and it will show you a few.

[novel belfry]

yes there was, here's a discussion that led to the creation of the Great Sand Shark

this isnt a SIS but its really funny to know that the Great Sand Shark was literally based off an actual suggestion

all the way back in 2017

[indigo yacht]

no wonder it's such a letdown /j

[novel belfry]

we're nearly ten years after this sharks creation

wtf

[royal tapir]

The most well-known example of a SIS actually getting implemented into the mod is Plantation Staff

[novel belfry]

well sounds like it was a SIS

[lucid marsh]

Oh right

That one is awesome

There should be more special boss based summon weapons like the plantation staff and optic staff

I guess there's also that one cal clone drop

But imagine having, say, a baby astrum deus fighting for you

[violet zephyr]

Stardust Dragon Staff two...

At the same tier as well...

[lucid marsh]

Or a duke fishron, or a Yharon

I suppose of all the bosses, plantera makes the most sense for something cool like this

The elemental axe is disappointing compared to the plantation staff

[errant wren]

fargo's

[olive saddle]

holy SIS im gonna commit fraud

[lucid marsh]

I'm not actually making a suggestion about this, I just think it sounds cool

[prisma sedge]

Hear me out...a Leviathan sentry that spits boulders at enemies

[crude geode]

but it's only a sentry out of water :)

[prisma sedge]

Ooh, that's actually a fun concept
A regular summon in water, and a centry out of it

[lucid marsh]

that would be neat

except, leviathan can fly

just kinda slowly

leviathan already has a summon drop though, its a reference to gaster blaster undertale

[crude geode]

I mean if it couldn't it would be kind of a weird boss fight

[prisma sedge]

Part of me still refuses to believe she can fly
I know she can, but I refuse to accept it

[crude geode]

yeah

[prisma sedge]

Also...honestly, I think it could be cool if the fight forced you to stay underwater for at least the duration of it after Leviathan spawns, an idea I had for that is that you could surface for air, but that there'd be an effect that'd pull you back in like in WoF's fight, and maybe a raging wind/rain storm visual to accompany it

Buuuuut then you'd have to deal with the ocean being the ocean

[crude geode]

I know that Thorium has a fully underwater boss so it’s doable. People would just complain about having to fight underwater

[novel belfry]

i know that, despite having to alter the sulphur sea generation (and the abyss for that matter too), infernum still managed to pull it off for Aquatic Scourge

[prisma sedge]

That's fair enough, but I'd at least hope Anny and Levi could get away with it since they're about as optional as Duke Fishron

[novel belfry]

it's probably my favorite infernum fight

not only because its mostly an aquatic fight save for that last phase, but it also uses the goddamn sulphur poisoning bar as a mechanic to watch out for during the fight

[prisma sedge]

Fair enough, honestly!

[novel belfry]

if i had to do the dreaded "replace the base game fight with its infernum fight" take at some point, it'd literally be the aquatic scourge one because its just a great overhaul of the boss

[prisma sedge]

I never ended up fighting Aquatic Scourge when I was supposed to, so I'll take your word on that!

[novel belfry]

the only thing i have to say negative about the fight is the acid tornado and the fact that it still gives you inf flight for that final phase to dodge the acid tornado

but as long as that is excluded, it's otherwise the best infernum fight imo

[drifting socket]

My first thought regarding an astral bar rename is "Starborn Ore/Bar"

[indigo yacht]

hard disagree

the water does nothing

it's literally disabled during the fight, your movement just pretends it isnt there

you can even slime mount like you can in air

i think a good underwater fight is entirely possible but infernum does not have one because it's not really underwater

[novel belfry]

thats pretty cool

i mean, it probably made the fight way more doable

(although it does say a lot for normal aquatic bosses if you have to literally disable the normal underwater movement)

maybe it would work if the boss was a slowish one, like this thorium boss rework version of abyssion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GZI_qW_JzE&t=979s

[novel belfry]

maybe Neutronium? Often this term is used for a material in the cores of neutron stars (usually its better to just call this neutron-degenerate matter"), and while the stars in calamity lore are definitely not the same as ours, the Astral Infection still occurs when a star begins to decay

of course it might mislead people to think that stars are the same in calamity as ours...

[lucid marsh]

I would not bother changing it

Neutronium wouldn't exist, atoms might not even exist in the same way as in real life in calamity

[violet zephyr]

Put an "e" at the end of it, makes it sound more fancy...

[indigo yacht]

rename it to Eteorite

just to confuse people

[drifting socket]

Starborne

Yeah that is fancy

It should be Starbound Ore

[errant wren]

name it after a dev

[violet zephyr]

Shayybound Ore

[tardy geyser]

Cocaine

Wait not a dev

[indigo yacht]

that's what you think

[violet zephyr]

Knowledge Ore.

[crude geode]

Congrats Ore

[frail fox]

Blowing all that up

[hollow shell]

Eateorite
cuz the rot consumes 🤷

[indigo yacht]

true

[novel belfry]

if you want to name it after a material from meteors, you could look at these names for meteoric iron

mind you, Iron is also relevant to dying stars because it causes supernovae (because you legit cant fuse iron, it just isnt possible)

[errant wren]

you know what? astral ore is now fused iron for the funny

[gaunt needle]

Astral ore now smelts into iron ingots

[errant wren]

use nine to make a block of iron, get three of those and four ingots to make a true iron anvil

[lucid marsh]

That's incorrect. Iron can be fused, it's just that you don't get energy out of fusing iron, so once a star's core is full of iron it will collapse and die since there's no energy left to get out

[hollow shell]

Ah, it took me a second to realize what "more annoying to obtain" entailed

cuz with this you'd be able to get the material early, just not able to craft the wings proper yet

You can get lucky with the time you spend in the jungle pre-Mech

[unborn stream]

correct

[hollow shell]

But as it currently is, you're only allowed to start farming after killing a mech

[unborn stream]

Having trouble thinking of a concise way to say that lol

[hollow shell]

yeah I'm tryna think as well lol

[unborn stream]

how's that

[hollow shell]

Sure that's good

[distant gyro]

i think you can get away with the title just being the items

instead of enemies and items

[unborn stream]

good idea

[sand marlin]

Oh okay that makes a lot more sense

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message @latent tendon you need a VERY good reason to justify suggesting a reversion as mentioned in suggestion rules document and you basically described nothing

[latent tendon]

I understand, but can you tell me why you removed this mechanic?

[sand marlin]

The devs removed it because grinding it would take needlessly long and its benefits were pitiful if anything, it also doesn't really make sense with everything else to make a leveling system in a game that primarily focuses on character progression via items and sometimes consumables

[north oracle]

It also directly discouraged switching classes throughout a playthrough, while adding an entirely unnecessary grind to maximize your dps

[latent tendon]

I understand, even though the benefit is minimal, 1% more damage is still 1% more damage, I'm sad that they removed it, but there's nothing we can do

[latent tendon]

Even without that I still focus on just 1 class, when I play normally I always increase the level of summoner, mage, meelee, and shooter, as I used summon, with magic to cause explosive damage, machine gun for when mana ran out and melee when I was in a tight place

[olive saddle]

honestly just get another mod at that point

like get a separate leveling mod

the removal of the weapon proficiency system was good design and i dont see it ever coming back to calamity itself

[drowsy plank]

uh

idk about this one i mean it's literally just

revert something because it was funny

like i get the point but at least harpies are actually made of flesh so dropping a food item makes some modicum of sense but like. they're skeletons. the point is they dont have any

[olive saddle]

where does calamity even put the BBQ ribs?

[drowsy plank]

i was gonna say zoologist shop but i think that's just steak

[olive saddle]

it is just steak

[drowsy plank]

some npc shop like the rest of the food items

[olive saddle]

oh ok

[drowsy plank]

lmao nvm

crafted with bones and flesh blocks at a hellforge

hilarious

[latent tendon]

which mod does this and doesn't conflict with calamity

[olive saddle]

Idfk

[gaunt needle]

Wait why would calamity remove food drops from skeletons

[sand marlin]

Cal removed tier 3 food drops from enemies and made them locked behind crafting recipes or other stuff that's mostly behind skeletron at minimum

The reason is standardizing tier 3 food obtainment time but honestly I don't really like it

[worthy lintel]

food items having 3 different tiers to begin with is cringe

scratch that, buffs in general are cringe

[sand marlin]

Meh

It's pretty satisfying and rewarding based on rarity and effort

Especially when you get food from enemies while exploring and you just chug it on the spot

[maiden quartz]

me and my good friend dragonlens

[olive saddle]

I do feel a bit irked by the removal of them on enemies but I dont have a better solution myself

The only one I have is like

Having them be buyable and drops but other than that nah

[echo leaf]

#suggestions-posting message
This does the exact opposite

It punishes people for attempting to switch classes by making them use an unleveled class when one that has significant level investment is right there

[humble scarab]

true

i never understood the concept of lvling a class when i first played calamity

[median scaffold]

I think a generic skill tree would be neat, but... not as an extra minion slot if you've used summoner enough

[humble scarab]

ye, smth that would give you some abilities

[median scaffold]

Although, I would argue that it doesn't introduce too much, since accesories are what make Terraria gameplay work, pretty much

[humble scarab]

true

it would be also hard to balance

[median scaffold]

That's also true

[obtuse radish]

we have many keys on the keyboard. what if we use most of them

[median scaffold]

I thought about locking those out behind bosses, but at this point... make it an accessory, if it is actually interesting enough in concept

[median scaffold]

Go play a rhythm game

[indigo yacht]

🔥

[median scaffold]

Any that supports 4k+

[humble scarab]

ye

[median scaffold]

Or just... play old Fargo's

[distant gyro]

actually im pretty sure the best path forward there is typing tests

[median scaffold]

That also works, but I think a rhythm game is a little bit more fun

Regardless, preferences

[humble scarab]

an item which allows you to dmg enemy by typing a word which is above it

[median scaffold]

Any word using W, A, S, D:

Sounds like a CCR feature, tbh

Someone was also typing.............

[distant gyro]

simply shoot out the letters you typed

simple

[median scaffold]

r from Soul Knight....

[gaunt needle]

Make a "calamity" weapon where each time you type one of the letters from "calamity" it spawns that letter in the world, then when you type the whole "calamity" all letters explode

[obtuse radish]

there will be a very high apm while playing doom eternal and my hands are on fire. i have the same feeling when using the ark of the cosmos while fighting against calamitas

[obtuse radish]

an accessory that turns your typing rhythm into critical chance?

ohoh that's the coin gun. we already have one

[drowsy plank]

@opal wigeon please read the rules in the pins

[opal wigeon]

oh mb lemme go chekc

[median scaffold]

Specifically the SIS rule

(Specific Item Suggestion)

[opal wigeon]

fair, lemme go revise it.

[opal wigeon]

lemme try again, add a pre boss melee armor that isnt molten armor.
possibly a rocky underground style armor that encourages more of an aggressive tanky playstyle, maybe with an ability that shatters your armor and sends out rock fragments?
is this a bit better?

its a lot less in depth and this is my first suggestion.

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah it's better but you're still completely missing the point

the point of a suggestion is to find and issue, and explain why that issue, above all other issues, deserves attention

[opal wigeon]

im sorry, calamity is my current hyperfixation.

[opal wigeon]

ah, fair i thought it was suggestions to add to the mod, sorry.

[drowsy plank]

all you're doing is explaining an implementation, which is not something the developers are interested in

that's fine

it's a common mistake

[opal wigeon]

the autism kicked in

i do feel like just jumping straight to vanilla late prehardmode armor is kinda boring and breaks some of the progression, and all the other classes have a pre boss armor added by calamity (except mage but like, mage has several armor sets you can use pre boss)

thanks for being patient with me.

[violet zephyr]

You don't need the the paragraph explaining what you want it to do. Instead, you should explain why Melee not having a Pre-Boss armour set is a problem.

[drowsy plank]

yeah p much

[opal wigeon]

fair, ill try that instead.

[drowsy plank]

regardless, im pretty sure this is already planned

but even if it wasn't the ore sets are practically tailor made for melee anyway

so it really isn't missing out much

at least the rest of the classes have a specific mechanic which sort of demand an armor set, melee can just wear whatever and is usually happy with it

of course, for ranger im referring to ammo consumption just because pre-boss is the one section of the game where that actually matters

the rest have mana, or stealth, or minion slots

but melee has no such restrictions

honestly i wish they just reverted the Gi changes

or even just made it like a melee alt set to ninja or something

[sand marlin]

[glass arch]

yell at fluffy or raesh to do it cluebed

[drowsy plank]

ive been the number one petitioner to make gi a king slime drop and make it an alternate chestplate to ninja armor so that can be a melee set
i think it would work well

lmao

[opal wigeon]

i honestly agree with that, but it still feels pretty boring to just change a vanilla armor, also i really like true melee but all the true melee options in pre hardmode kinda suck, especially if you go for a corruption world, as it doesnt have the sausage maker, so having an option that encourages true melee fighting would be really fun.

idk why i went on about true melee.

[drowsy plank]

pfft what? true melee has a ton of options in pre-hardmode

[opal wigeon]

yeah but pre boss especially they dont work the greatest.

you have the feller of evergreens as the best option.

[drowsy plank]

wh

what?

[opal wigeon]

atleast from what i can tell.

i may be going slightly insane.

lemme double check the wiki

[drowsy plank]

feller is obviously a great option, but it's not even the strongest true melee has at that point

[opal wigeon]

yes i am going insane i forgot about the burnt sienna

[glass arch]

...you do know like 80% of melees weapons in pre hardmode are true melee right

[drowsy plank]

the fact you can make something that strong with just silver bars is INSANE

[opal wigeon]

yeah, it used to be like, twice as large too.

i love how most true melee weapons were just like, 3x bigger than in vanilla prior to the 1.4.4 port.

like, i swear the platinum broadsword used to deal 30 damage, attack faster than a phaseblade, and have a 10 block reach it was insane.

holy smokes is that crabbar real

[tired haven]

10 block reach is definitely a reach

[opal wigeon]

holy smokily doodilies it is

[tired haven]

Attack speed probably true because ore swords are fast

[glass arch]

didnt like. old mura have a 15 block reach

[opal wigeon]

ancient mura?

like, when it was a glorified arkhalis?

[glass arch]

old murasama

[opal wigeon]

or do you mean pre nerf.

ah, ok

[glass arch]

pre retier

[opal wigeon]

yeah it used to have like, a 25 block reach i think.

ngl murasama kinda doesnt work in revengeance.

[glass arch]

yeah platinum broadsword definitely didnt have a 10 block range

[opal wigeon]

it had a lot higher of a range in older versions of calamity though.

[grim tusk]

❗ season

[grim tusk]

it was like 3 blocks

not 10

[grim tusk]

Murasama is a risky but extremely rewarding weapon

[drowsy plank]

it's quite fun, if hard to use

[grim tusk]

it nukes Yharon and is very good vs Scal and some of the Exos if used right

[violet zephyr]

They're still just as strong, but their size multipliers were removed due to contact damage changes making True Melee not needing size increases to be used non-riskily.

[grim tusk]

most are stronger even

[opal wigeon]

no im 90% sure the platinum broadsword got nerfed into oblivion.

plus armor crumble is super annoying, i can only deal like, maybe 300 damage safely with a true melee weapon like the burnt sienna.

[tired haven]

I could try looking if the initial state got saved but i'm rather confident ore swords other than lights bane/butcherer never had more than 1.5x size

[glass arch]

it had a 125% size modifier
aka it was 25% larger
that was removed in 2.0.3.2

[tired haven]

Yeah that checks out

[opal wigeon]

ah, could have sword it was bigger but i believe you.

[glass arch]

the real nerf to it came in the form of a damage nerf, not the size nerf

it had its base damage roughly halved in that same update

[grim tusk]

^ all early game true melee stuff was way too busted

[opal wigeon]

damn...

[opal wigeon]

this is true, i will give you that.

[frail mantle]

(you could just edit your previous message instead of posting a new one

[opal wigeon]

im so smart.

[whole tundra]

True Melee as a dmg type is getting removed in the future so mentioning it is not really that useful

[obtuse radish]

this app really trains my English...🥹

[median scaffold]

True

[whole tundra]

Also this suggestion talks more about other things than the actual suggestion itself

[median scaffold]

@opal wigeon
Use Platinum / Lead

That's it

[whole tundra]

(how did it not get 🗜️'ed either)

[median scaffold]

True....

Oh, wait
Is the bot down?

[opal wigeon]

grince

im sorry im a bit stupid

from what i heard i was supposed to put in reasons about why it should be added, or something like that.

[whole tundra]

idk as there are no suggestions that should land in #suggestions-voting right now

[median scaffold]

We have to wait for 4 hours to now....

[opal wigeon]

im sorry if i did something wrong

[whole tundra]

Wait I just realized something

[median scaffold]

You had a reasoning, but a little bit weak one
Also, you shifted your focus on other things

[median scaffold]

It had a space, btw

[whole tundra]

You can post a good suggestion and then edit it to something stupid in the last second

[median scaffold]

True

But, what's the point....

[whole tundra]

nothing

[golden sonnet]

Then we just flag the second it's noticed and it won't go anywhere

[opal wigeon]

lmao that is true idk why somebody would do that it would just get rejected.

suggestion, add an ice pick that lobotomizes other players when used.

[median scaffold]

No

[opal wigeon]

it also one shots cryogen but he drops nothing.

[opal wigeon]

aww come on it would be so funny though.

that would make a sick rogue weapon though, the stealth strike is just you lobotomizing your enemies.

[median scaffold]

Make it real yourself!

And, if you want to, post it in CCR's GitHub

[opal wigeon]

im an autistic teenager tf am i supposed to do?

[frail mantle]

make coding your new hyperfixation

[median scaffold]

Code.

[frail mantle]

[median scaffold]

Actually, that's fucking true

[opal wigeon]

[frail mantle]

correct

[opal wigeon]

hngggggggggggggg

[frail mantle]

i know how this works

[median scaffold]

Gotta do that when the next cycle starts

[opal wigeon]

sorry filled with terrafirmacraft and calamity mod.

its out of my control it kinda just happens

[unborn stream]

oh yeah I'd argue lead is like, the early game tmelee armor

knockback immunity my beloved

[novel belfry]

figured

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message this suggestion is a bit confusing

[violet zephyr]

I can't even understand what it wants to do.

[umbral gazelle]

i think they want the rogue's stealth mechanic for ranger

[peak shell]

eeeeeern, does is allowed to add more shift + enters?

yea

[sand marlin]

So you want to take a class's big gimmick and copy it for another

[drowsy plank]

@peak shell please read the rules in the pins

unsurprisingly, im quite confident copying stealth over to ranger would be considered excessive effort

just wait for the shadowspec armor reworks smh

[sand marlin]

I think that would be Demonshade

I guess it counts

You didn't say Nanoblack after all

I keep forgetting whether that's gonna exist or not

[drowsy plank]

demonshade armor yeah

w/e

[peak shell]

i added some line breaks for yall to actualy read

it is nerfed stealth

[drowsy plank]

just use shroomite and vortex thanks

[whole tundra]

Using another Class' core mechanic for another class

[peak shell]

oh, ok, just realised vortex actualy has a stealth, that basicaly turns u into a statue

[whole tundra]

So what you are suggesting is, make Rogue's uniqueness apply to Ranger weapons

[peak shell]

snipers camo

[whole tundra]

May aswell merge Rogue with Ranger then (never)

[drowsy plank]

there's no reason to discuss this, it's obviously out of scope, there are two armors that already have that ability for ranger, and the demonshade ranger/rogue helm rework is going to (supposedly, last i heard) do something like that anyway

[peak shell]

the whole point of the abbiss is to snipe ur enemy from away, so, at least make sniper rifle rogue

anyways, thanks

[whole tundra]

Y'know I never looked at the Abyss like that

[peak shell]

if the enemy dont saw you, finish it of from afar

[obtuse radish]

Perhaps you just want a rogue weapon with sniper rifle sound effects and high projectile velocity.

[peak shell]

and that doenst look like magic dagger

maybe a rogue version of the sniper rifle

somenthing like"abiss death" or "bush killer"

[median scaffold]

To be honest, a really high velocity, really slow throwing spear would be neat

[grim tusk]

Thats just profaned partisan and similar weapons

[drowsy plank]

..."bush killer"?

[median scaffold]

Use time 17 Average
Not slow enough

[grim tusk]

Stealth strikes in question

[median scaffold]

(Scarlet Devil doesn't count for a few reasons)

[median scaffold]

That is... actually true. My bad

[obtuse radish]

nortfleet eh?

[median scaffold]

It is a ranger weapon and not even a sniper rifle

It is more of a shotgun than anything, imo

[peak shell]

if it has big boy caliber, a scope, and can hit from some distance, its snipe rifle

[median scaffold]

No scope

[errant wren]

i hear yelling from the 2010's

[median scaffold]

[median scaffold]

I tried to search it as "Spear of Justice"...

[obtuse radish]

well actually either a rogue weapon with high projectile velocity and a scope or a ranger weapon with stealth is ...

[median scaffold]

Although, this

Cycles between throwing 3 small homing spears and throwing a single piercing lance

[obtuse radish]

how do you express it in english? unfair?

[errant wren]

rock filled baseball with a timing event for different types of pitches

totally

[whole tundra]

Everyone does that

[distant gyro]

wrong game

[sand marlin]

NGAHHH!!

[errant wren]

undyne? isn't there a reference to her or am i tripping?

#suggestions-posting message i don't really know what to say here

[golden sonnet]

@trail fiber forbidden armor already removes the multicalss penalty, and when this was done with OOA armors it completely broke balance in half

[violet zephyr]

OOA having it will be a question of "Will the Summoner Rebalance make it not blatantly overpowered?"

[trail fiber]

wait, really?, i was talking with someone in another channel and i though it implied still had penalty, mb then

[median scaffold]

Forbidden removes penalty from mage / rogue weapons, iirc

[golden sonnet]

yeah, it removes it from the class the set is for

[trail fiber]

and what about the other armors like, crystal assasin or mollusk armor, still have penalty?

[median scaffold]

Mollusk is strong regardless

[trail fiber]

or also breaks the balance?

[median scaffold]

Crystal Assasin... exists, I guess?

[trail fiber]

wdym is good

[violet zephyr]

15% damage...

[median scaffold]

It doesn't do much for summoner, as far as I remember

2 slots, but that's it

[violet zephyr]

Crystal Assassin is built as an All Class armour, instead of Multiclass.

[median scaffold]

Or even 1, let me check

[violet zephyr]

None.

[golden sonnet]

crystal assasin isn't really summoner related, it doesn't give any summoner bonuses, mollusk could maybe have it

[violet zephyr]

All it does for summoner is give damage.

[trail fiber]

yeah, mollusk should have it, the set bonus is literally extra summons

well

not really but you understand

[trail fiber]

doesn't give any minion slot lol

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[trail fiber]

but i still think it would be good, it could be another incentive to use those niche armors

[median scaffold]

I got baited from lack of my knowledge 💔

[trail fiber]

tbf i didn't knew either, i've just checked

[trail fiber]

you still can have 2 turrets and 3 minion slots without any summoner bonus from any armor, and that would be nice extra damage

[echo leaf]

15% minion knockback ✨

[obtuse radish]

can u guys buff cosmilamp a little🙂

[trail fiber]

that goes to #1178515062030348308 , read the pins please

[obtuse radish]

OK

[echo leaf]

You’re free to put that in #1178515062030348308 so long as you follow all the formatting deals!

[glass arch]

the most useful stat ever <3

[echo leaf]

it’s why spooky wings are the best wings

[violet zephyr]

@drowsy plank You need to shorten your suggestion.

: )

[golden sonnet]

damn, got clamped

[drowsy plank]

lmao

alright, think that's the best i can do atm

welcome back malice drops

thank you clamp emoji for flagging the suggestions i cannot

[gritty plaza]

You're not meant to go for Goliath right after golem?

[drowsy plank]

you are

he's saying if you beat goliath like. on tier i guess

[tidal epoch]

Yeah

I mean, its hard there

[grim tusk]

Too much effort and conflicts with plans

[tidal epoch]

Like, an optional boss

[gritty plaza]

That's just "reduce drop rates if you wait too long"

[drowsy plank]

yeah i figured it conflicted with plans

it was always the plan to kill the rare drops and give them actually unique methods of obtainment, this is just a temporary system

[whole tundra]

Also how dare you misgender PBG

[tidal epoch]

Who?

[drowsy plank]

im not sure if this is necessarily too much effort, considering Malice did something similar, and i know you could just reimplement that but with some "bosses downed" checks, but the bigger issue is it simply conflicting with the plans for these items, and henceforth being a waste of time lol

plaguebringer goliath is female because she is built on top of a queen bee

and queen bee is female

(PlagueBringer Goliath -> PBG)

[tidal epoch]

I mean, its more like

"If you are crazy enough, get this but have it harder"

But I get it. Lol

I called the Golem "him"

Not Goliath lmao

[drowsy plank]

idk what's so funny about that consider it means it's so poorly written people couldnt tell

tbf it does currently read like you're talking about after PBG, not after golem

regardless that is nitpicky and there is already bigger issues here anyway

[tidal epoch]

"Without beating bosses that go after him"

After Golem

[drowsy plank]

yes, but you had just brought up PBG, and those bosses are also after PBG, so it isn't difficult to assume you meant post-PBG and not post-Golem

[whole tundra]

Also I disagree with this suggestion as you already get the drops/aftermath from the boss you fought, including its weaponry

[drowsy plank]

it's not like beating a boss on tier is much of a feat, that's the intended way to play the game

[drowsy plank]

i didnt think about that but yeah; you already killed the boss, if you want the rare drop you could just use the gear you just got anyway

[whole tundra]

Unless it's like pre-hm Fishron

[drowsy plank]

again, this is all meaningless because the 10% drops are a temporary holdover while the team finds more unique ways to make these items obtainable

[whole tundra]

Defeating bosses under certain conditions maybe

[drowsy plank]

i mean they do mention pre-Hm AS, but im not really in the mood to start incentivizing difficult fights again

difficulty is for difficulty's sake, not to lock content

[grim tusk]

^

No item is a must have

[whole tundra]

Besides boss summons

Which either don't drop or 100% drop from bosses

[unborn stream]

and can be crafted anyway right

[indigo yacht]

cant wait to acquire community ingame by clicking on a pop up link and following the calamity twitter account

like in a mobile game

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[gritty plaza]

Get community by having your conversations rated helpful in the discord

[indigo yacht]

welp

good thing i never use it anyways

[violet zephyr]

Comment on the workshop page and favourite the mod for a free Community!

[indigo yacht]

harp would never be the same again

[sand marlin]

Why are these suggestions covering so much space

[fleet grotto]

huge sis

no

these is correct

[indigo yacht]

@peak shell please reference the suggestion document for the best way to format a suggestion and rules restricting what you can suggest (that will actually be looked at)

[peak shell]

wait, no line break????? if yes, i cooked to make my overly complicated suggestion readable

[fleet grotto]

Specific Item Suggestion

also harpoons and flippers are already in the game

[indigo yacht]

also you don't really have reasoning as to why the items you're suggesting should be in the game besides "subnautic inspired"

subnautica is cool and all but that's not sufficient

i want to play subnautica now

[hollow shell]

Suggestions are more so meant for solving problems in the mod, not requesting new items with their specifics laid out like this

What issue is there in Calamity right now that adding items like these would resolve? If you can articulate that, that'd be a good starting point for making this into a valid suggestion

[fleet grotto]

("cool" is not a reason btw)

[peak shell]

diving tanks are a good way to start exploring the abyss before having neptune shell

they make your diving gear provide more

[fleet grotto]

there's mang other accessories to make abyss exploration easier already

[peak shell]

harpons are a usefull tool for rangers, a actualy decent pre-hardmode gun

[indigo yacht]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Abyss

[indigo yacht]

there's plenty of other useful ranger weapons you can use in the abyss

[hollow shell]

You're thinking about this in the wrong direction

You shouldn't come up with the items and find reasons to support them. You should be identifying the problems first.

[peak shell]

bows- arrows are bullshit in water
guns- not that much reliable due to the need of bullets+ low damage
any trowing weapown- same as bows
the only really decent gun is rocket launchers, it ammo need its compensated by the actualty decent damage

and rockets are post plantera

[indigo yacht]

a harpoon would be even worse than an arrow in water

also the point on guns is completely arbitrary and weapon dependant

[hollow shell]

That feels like an unusual over-generalization of guns, yeah

[indigo yacht]

some deal a ton of damage, and some don't even need bullets (which are very easy to get)

[fleet grotto]

somewhat unrelated to the problem but
harpoon is a thing that already exists? lol
and calamity used to have harpoon upgrades which were removed

[median scaffold]

Damn, ❗ week

[whole tundra]

Nah, this is Harpon

[fleet grotto]

ohhh yeah

[fleet grotto]

is it though)

[hollow shell]

(don't make fun)

[indigo yacht]

maybe the #suggestions-posting first message should have like a

Please read the suggestions rule document before post anything

at the front

[fleet grotto]

i was referring to your message but yeah

[indigo yacht]

instead of at the ned

[idle dagger]

i recently bought it
can't wait to play it sometime soon

[cold cosmos]

There’s been an influx of really bad suggestions lately

[indigo yacht]

????????

what does this mean

what is an air pump

[fleet grotto]

what does it do? what is the problem it fixes?

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message please follow the suggestion rules at the top of #suggestions-posting

[unborn stream]

i think they want to make a base in the abyss?

[indigo yacht]

oh so this is the fabled "let me breathe in abyss" suggestion

didn't that one already get passed

[echo leaf]

air pump

[drowsy plank]

air pump

anyway yes an abyss base suggestion thing already passed

several things in this vein passed im pretty sure

or at least were already in voting

[unborn stream]

the human urge to live in the least livable locations imaginable

[echo leaf]

easiest landscape painting ever

[peak shell]

i acidentaly posted it before finishing, now... read again, its complete now

instead of pump, i think its better just make a depressurisation system

[drowsy plank]

this still isn't following the rules

im not sure what part of this you're not understanding, but this channel is not for you to give ideas, it is for you to identify problems
if the problem is drastic enough, you can suggest a solution to the problem in the suggestion as well just to give some idea of how to address it, but the focus should be explaining the issue

[peak shell]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, sorry

soo, my suggestion ended up being in the rules i dont read, it dont is a joke, it fixes a big convenience issue due to the need of a outside of the abyss base for prepping for the dive and lack of air recovery in the abyss, it dont changes a core mechanic, it arent this expecific, you can make it faster or slower to depressurise, i just said slowly, i dont said 15 seconds, no references, yea, looks good

[errant wren]

so the issue here is

you're suggesting a major change/mechanic

[indigo yacht]

.

[errant wren]

that as well

[carmine spindle]

i mean if he sees magic mirroring out of the abyss as an issue

[peak shell]

like, it is a minor mechanic that most people never realised its real

[peak shell]

how will i come back from the surface????? i cant make a base at the abiss cuz a house cant be flooded

[carmine spindle]

i assumed that was the thing you were getting at

having to swim back to the surface instead of the get out of jail free card that is the magic mirror

[golden sonnet]

A house can be flooded wdym

and you can use teleporters

[indigo yacht]

shrimply magic conch

[carmine spindle]

that would be funny

and also kinda cool

exploding because you used the magic mirror/conch in the abyss

[unborn stream]

jerod comes to get you

[peak shell]

i said from, not to, magic mirror is actualy pretty good as a fallback, i want to do an actual base on the abyss, survive there,make cool memes sayng"i subnautica guy" "i killed reaper leviathan", not be a landlubber

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-discussion message

[gritty plaza]

#suggestions-voting message What are the 80+ items not in the main mod?

[violet zephyr]

The music boxes.

[indigo yacht]

music boxes presumably

[violet zephyr]

All of them.

Including the VCMM ones.

[gritty plaza]

Oh yeah, I forgot VCMM would add the boxes

That adds up

[tiny minnow]

*Calamity Music Mod

[indigo yacht]

guh?

[fleet grotto]

❌

[tiny minnow]

Oh.

[hearty yew]

@whole tundra So.

The descriptions were updated on the dev branch, then due to incorrect branch management on the hotfix release, those changes didn't make it. I manually fixed the descriptions for next release, and manually edited the live Steam Workshop page, but I don't want to push another hotfix just to fix this.

Please give me a full list of inaccuracies in the descriptions. I will make a more accurate English description, then hand it to our localization teams to make the updated ones for Chinese, Russian and Brazilian Portuguese.

This isn't a suggestion

And it isn't a bug report

It's an astute observation of the creeping effects of process failure.

I had the descriptions correct and then they didn't get used properly.

I want this fixed.

[whole tundra]

I mentioned the ones I could find in the suggestion

[hearty yew]

Okay. Can you make that an itemized list of mistakes, like with bullet points?

Then I can run through the list after my workout. Please DM it to me

👍

[whole tundra]

I'll do that later today, it's almost 1am here

[hearty yew]

Oh yeah that's fine

This is not terribly urgent, but this is exactly the sort of thing I want to short circuit out of the suggestion system

That's a clerical error and I shouldn't need to wait for votes to correct it

[fleet grotto]

I think Galactica singularities struggles with this more

I believe on tier (post cultist) they have 3 crafts?

[crude geode]

I mean galactica singularities are a different can of worms, just being another combination item

[errant wren]

they would be slightly better of an item if the recipe yielded anything other than 1

[odd fractal]

exodium has 2

but i do agree that galactica singularities suffer the same problem

[fleet grotto]

okay yeah

nr and esa

I believe galactica singularity has two dyes and a weapon?

[odd fractal]

imo galacticas should just be moved to post-ml

[fleet grotto]

okay no it's only two

[indigo yacht]

classic case of boss unlocking 8 billion new ingredients each with like 3 recipes attached

[fleet grotto]

one dye and cosmic rainbow (mage bow)

[novel belfry]

why not mix both

[errant wren]

if galactica singularity had an alternative method of obtainment i could almost justify it

exodium clusters can at least be mined

[novel belfry]

Galactica Singularity gets completely rethemed to be a "bar" version of Exodium Clusters (ore)

[crude geode]

They also just don’t feel like anything?

[indigo yacht]

galactica singularity is the every fragment right

[fleet grotto]

yes

[errant wren]

ye

[indigo yacht]

why not just use the normal fragments

they get more uses that way

and less dumb crafting/item bloat

[errant wren]

something something remnant or something

[novel belfry]

i mean they're doing that for the elemental weapons

[indigo yacht]

and if it's annoying to add 4 to every recipe, then just make them use one of them

[indigo yacht]

yeah, extend that to the other shit

[fleet grotto]

also the dye uses this

[novel belfry]

if Galactica Singularities, for example were obtained by killing Astrum Deus, i think we'd have less drama about it

[fleet grotto]

11 of each frag basically

[errant wren]

yeah i

[fleet grotto]

11/5 is still good though...

[errant wren]

i said something like that

[fleet grotto]

i actually like this idea

[indigo yacht]

fair

[novel belfry]

in fact

[indigo yacht]

maybe you could shimmer them into the four fragments but couldn't craft them, or something

[fleet grotto]

meld blobs

[indigo yacht]

can we kill meld blobs forever

[novel belfry]

i could literally forsee a function where you use the Astral Beacon to "decraft" the Singularities into the four fragments (and meld blobs)

[crude geode]

Wouldn’t that just create a conflict with trying to make astral bars do anything significant

[fleet grotto]

what would rogue use, galactica singularities?

[novel belfry]

but the sprites...

the sprites are too good to remove

[indigo yacht]

oh right it's that material

[indigo yacht]

i wouldn't be opposed to that i guess

[fleet grotto]

why is there a difference between meld blobs and meld constructs why not just have one of them exist

[novel belfry]

I mean, to be honest considering the circumstances I think it should be used by the elemental weapons

it would definitely make astrum deus matter a bit more

[errant wren]

i feel like just giving the intermediary ingredients alternate obtainment methods justifies their existence more

[fleet grotto]

(which it is (if we're still talking about singularities and not exodium))

[crude geode]

I’d rather just delete galactica

[novel belfry]

astral bars i meant

[crude geode]

It locks one item’s existence, and it’s lore is just “uhhh it’s a piece of space or something idk”

[indigo yacht]

fire emoji

out of everything we've mentioned i think that meld shit still has the fewest uses by a decent marging

i feel like replacing either meld constructs or replacing something else with meld constructs would be best

[errant wren]

i feel like there's two solutions to dealing with galactica singularities

1. deleting them
2. giving them a different way to be obtained outside of crafting

[indigo yacht]

i like the idea of getting them from deus but i like the idea of replacing them with just lunar fragments even more

[crude geode]

Same

[fleet grotto]

this now uses 10 items for one recipe

[novel belfry]

or actually

Meld Construct should subsume both Exodium Clusters (as a material) and Galactica Singularities

[golden sonnet]

it's a rogue weapon, why does it need other pillar frags. Just give it meld and call it a day, meld is the rogue fragment

[indigo yacht]

you could just

replace it with one fragment, or meld blobs or whatever

yeah

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[fleet grotto]

true

[novel belfry]

Meld Blobs will be used primarily fro the pre-ML meld stuff

[royal tapir]

All the post-DoG accessories already lost the Luminite Bars and Galactica Singularities

[crude geode]

Galactica is really just nothingburger

[royal tapir]

No need to replace anything

[fleet grotto]

awesome

[indigo yacht]

so... do you know what items still use galactica singularities? i heard the elemental weapons also lost them

doesn't seem like there'd be very many anymore

maybe like 8

[indigo yacht]

what are your thoughts on replacing the ones in those recipes with individual fragments

like, daawnlight with vortex

stellar contempt with solar or whatever

[royal tapir]

Possible, but this thing survived a removal vote, so I don't feel like removing any more right now

[indigo yacht]

i see

i just feel like there are a lot of random materials around that point and a lot of them don't have many uses

[novel belfry]

i think its especially egregious because you'd think a material that's fucking called "Galactica Singularity" would be an endgame material that has a really special method of obtaining

and not like

4 lunar fragments

[golden sonnet]

still think it's strange it doesn't even use meld

[lucid marsh]

Meld stuff really has no good place in the lore. It used to be Xeroc related, and was some weird placeholder for a fifth pillar for throwing class

Then everything else was changed, and now it doesn't make sense in any context, except as an unnecessary thing for the rogue class that could easily be replaced

[novel belfry]

Meld Blobs look cool tho, which is why i really really want them to have a lore of some sort to justify keeping them

[indigo yacht]

rework meld constructs into nova fragments or something

[novel belfry]

and i mean mostly the meld set or something

[indigo yacht]

they look so awful

oh ok

lmao

[frail fox]

5th pillar

[indigo yacht]

would be peak tbh

another set of excruciatingly annoying enemies to fight

[novel belfry]

Maybe Meld feels out of place especially because... there's no meld enemies...

they just drop from lunar enemies

[oblique birch]

5th pillar is Thorium thing

[fleet grotto]

no im pretty sure thorium is the same with its essences

unless that's old

[nimble totem]

"Exodium is nearly useless in its current state, only being used for a certain amount of items"

Doesn't this apply to literally every material?

[indigo yacht]

the latter half does yes

[grizzled dome]

Should "something that lets you build in the Abyss" be added to the frequent suggestion doc? (...is it there already?)

[frail fox]

Not that I disagree that exodium is in a weird spot but it’s definitely far from useless with the amount of stuff it’s in (even if it’s basically entirely replaceable)

The stratus set it’s primarily used for is kinda weird for reasons but idk, yeah

[golden sonnet]

it's already passed, any already passed suggestion is not allowed to be resubmitted

[dense locust]

the hell is ☑️ for then

[olive saddle]

Wrong

Thorium

Sorry

Tremor

The 5th pillar thing is a tremor thing

Its gross

[dense locust]

I forgot tremor had content post cog lord I'm ngl

[olive saddle]

What the fuck is the cog lord

[indigo yacht]

@ cog

[dense locust]

https://tremormod.fandom.com/wiki/Cog_Lord

[novel belfry]

yknow its gonna be a doozy when all you see is the ribcage

[olive saddle]

Oh wait.

Its a cog moonlord isnt it

[frail fox]

It’s worse

[olive saddle]

Its a moonlord skeletron???

The fuck???

The fuck???

[golden sonnet]

early modding

pretty much everything was like that, DoG was just purple destroyer, etc

[novel belfry]

iirc cog lord was a sprime clone

[grizzled dome]

It passed at some point? I thought it was a thing that was intentionally never getting added.

[glass arch]

#suggestions-voting message

[grizzled dome]

oh, I forgot about that 🤦

[unborn stream]

has it already been suggested/decided on to change vanilla boss summons to only require 1 to research in journey mode?

[golden sonnet]

Not that I'm aware of

But can't do an extensive check atm

[unborn stream]

@quasi lava idk what the feature of locking difficulty modes in the past was, but in general "bring back xyz" suggestions are against the suggestion rules
although, it sounds like you're more suggesting the ability to lock difficulty as a server admin so that other players can't change it, which i assume is somewhat distinct from what was implemented before

[quasi lava]

Yeah my suggestion may have read wrong, but I'm more-so suggesting the ability for a server host/admin to lock it so players can't change it, especially because if I wish a playthrough to be played on revengence or death mode specifically (whether that be for when I do events or content), its kinda impossible to do because players can just switch difficulties before bosses, events, etc

Or at least world host

Maybe I can quick re-word that, because I'm not really suggesting the return of the initial difficulty lock feature. That one was still in-game and anyone could change it until like the first boss or 2 was killed.

[unborn stream]

yeah I'm no moderator but I would suggest rewording it

[quasi lava]

Alright re-worded it, hopefully that makes my suggestion clearer

[dense ravine]

moderator mentioned

thats ohio

[quasi lava]

ohio gaming moment

[distant gyro]

i feel like if you play multiplayer and your problem is someone else ruining it for you then that someone else may need some discipline or like should not be there

its comically easy to do
something as simple as leaving the server to cheat in stuff and come back way more powerful than supposed to

you just have to sort that stuff out

[crude geode]

^^^

[quasi lava]

Well, there is no way to tell who changed the difficulty mode, as it doesn't mention that in chat or anything
Plus this is a fully dedicated modded server, with server side characters so players cannot bring items in, moderation mods with login features so that peoples builds/chests are protected, etc

It isn't a server with just a few friends

Months of of testing have gone into making this work. If its not possible then fair enough, but it isn't possible to "discipline" someone changing the difficulty mode if there is no way to tell whos done it.

[dense ravine]

just say

pwetty pwease dont change the difficulty :3

works 400% of the time

[steep patrol]

Best moderator of the month

[quasi lava]

that would be great

[dense ravine]

of the century*

[quasi lava]

Well if you can't fair enough. Just suggesting because these publicly tested playthroughs have gone over completely smoothly using all of the moderation mods, the ability for randos to change difficulty whenever without knowing whos done it has been the only issue lmao

[distant gyro]

it's very much possible

just had those thoughts about it

[indigo yacht]

I'm not exactly sure how the difficulty slider works in multiplayer because my groups usually never touch it, but couldn't you just make it so that only the host can change it?

[distant gyro]

ive been through event hopping, griefing, and communal chest stealing to be familiar with messing around in mp

[quasi lava]

Haha yeah, thats exactly why so much time and effort has been spent on testing this server publicly

Thankfully pretty much every single one of those issues has been fixed using things like HERO's mod, server side characters, Enemy/Boss and Item Control, etc

[median scaffold]

A public 24/7 Calamity server

[quasi lava]

If I weren't so sure of the server working out, I definitely wouldn't have posted a suggestion

[median scaffold]

Or no, I may have read it wrong

[quasi lava]

[quasi lava]

you did not

[median scaffold]

YOOOOOOOOoo

[indigo yacht]

like is there a single good reason for why a non host player should have the ability to change the difficulty

[quasi lava]

^^

[distant gyro]

yeah

changing to death mode for a quick blood moon grind

[median scaffold]

Ask the host to change it

[distant gyro]

what if the host is not there

[indigo yacht]

if you're on a multiplayer server that means everyone gets death mode blood moon rates

[pale jewel]

what if the host died of a heart attack

[indigo yacht]

doesn't it

[distant gyro]

yep

[quasi lava]

I mean there isn't exactly that many dedicated Calamity servers, especially public ones that I'm aware of

[pale jewel]

solution: all players with calamity installed must wire in an ekg if they plan to host

luckily there are no other forms of death so all else problems can be discarded

[median scaffold]

What if the player who asked died

[indigo yacht]

so basically it's just giving every player the ability to (if not already on death mode) massively crank up the spawn rates for every other person currently active in the server

[median scaffold]

[pale jewel]

then you dont have to change the difficulty, making it more efficient to do so

[quasi lava]

Zerg Potion: Am I a joke to you?

[indigo yacht]

that's a buff

[distant gyro]

it provides the convenience during a downtime of a playthrough

(also they are stacking and very powerfully stacking at that)

[quasi lava]

I mean again, not like I'm suggesting to completely re-work this mechanic. Maybe a server-side config would be cool

[indigo yacht]

i would not classify that as a good reason for any player to be able to change the difficulty because it has the possibility to negatively impact other players

[distant gyro]

i find the host is most definitely gonna be there if you're progressing but if you're just grinding for stuff peoples not just gonna stick around all the time for that

[quasi lava]

You'd be surprised how many people stuck around and grinded together for the public server playthrough. Used to have 10 people play at once just chatting and fishing for fun

[distant gyro]

is there any issue if it clarified who changed the difficulties in case you just wanted to pin it on someone

[quasi lava]

Idk, I feel like if this server does end up gaining traction like I hope (considering I'm working with some other content creators to record/edit a trailer this month), It'd get very tiresome simply kicking/banning people for changing the difficulty constantly

Anyways, just a simple suggestion, I can see your view points on it, just thought I'd share mine!

[quasi lava]

Thanks for taking the time to discuss with me btw

[indigo yacht]

would there really be that many people doing it? just like put a very obvious rule somewhere, and i think most people would honor it, after all most of them would be there for the novelty of a 24/7 calamity server, not just to fuck around and cause problems

i don't think the calamity illiteracy epidemic is that bad

[quasi lava]

Yeah that is fair. One of the rules is to be part of the official discord and to use your discord username for moderation purposes. I've simply had it in the past where I've told others I'd prefer the difficulty mode not to be changed, but I'd returned to find it changed every now and then anyways (likely a boss was too hard or something, idk)

[indigo yacht]

it might help if you classify it as an offense then ask other members to let you know if someone is changing the difficulty

[indigo yacht]

this could help in that regard

[quasi lava]

Thats fair

That could definitely work as an alternative then, as I'm sure it would be more simple to implement maybe (idk, I aint a programmer lol)

Thanks for taking the time to give your guy's suggestions/views on it

[chrome holly]

Asking here before doing a suggestion, how would you feel about having more time between Sirius and Saros Possession? I feel like it's kind of wonky to have this weapon last for ONE boss before being upgraded.

[drowsy plank]

there are lots of weapons like that

[errant wren]

something something "retier instagrades" but i wouldn't really know how to defend that

like at all

[drowsy plank]

well they aren't instagrades
instagrades would be weapons that share a tier

these are just

close together

[errant wren]

uhhh

[crude geode]

Very fast upgrades

[chrome holly]

fastgrades?

[errant wren]

that would be better

bossgrades

[drowsy plank]

yeah
even then there are still instagrades like the mimic accessories in early hardmode, so it really ends up kind of being on a case by case basis

[chrome holly]

I feel like these get a pass for being a component acc

[crude geode]

vanilla skill issue
Fastgrades feel especially bad post ml where bosses are basically the only thing to do

[drowsy plank]

component accessories are stupid

[errant wren]

yeah i wouldn't know how to defend the suggestion, let alone explain why they're a problem other than vibes

[crude geode]

Something something make a list and ping CIT or someone

[chrome holly]

Yeah technically a skilled player (read: not me) would hold on the weapon for like 15 minutes top

[crude geode]

[errant wren]

even if there's a case for widening the gap between items and their upgrades, i feel like there would need to be some rebalancing work that might fall under excessive effort

not a dev or a mod though

[drowsy plank]

the main issue is just that there are so many weapons/items that are like this

[errant wren]

hence me broadening it somewhat

[drowsy plank]

and many would argue that an entire boss tier is more than a lot of weapons that are just outright bad rn are, and that it would be better spent trying to buff those than to shift around a bunch of weapons even more just so they last for 2 tiers

[chrome holly]

Admittedly the problem is that late PML is basically "fight boss, upgrade gear, fight next boss"

[drowsy plank]

especially saros's posession of all things considering i remember post-Yharon summoner being not so great in terms of options atm

[chrome holly]

It may or may not be, I'm in the process of ramming a DoG-shaped wall over and over

so you could say that I managed to prove that the Sirius-SP gap is actually quite wide XD

[glass arch]

it has 2 or 3 weapons total yeah

[drowsy plank]

fun

[chrome holly]

NGL I kind of wish for DoG's laser wall to have an at least moderately longer telegraph to at least give a chance to reposition if you're not immediately ready but I feel like I'm the only one on this hill

[drowsy plank]

DoG will get reworked with the resprite anyway

[glass arch]

ok its actually 2 and saros isnt one of them

[drowsy plank]

i forgot darksun is post-DoG now lol

[glass arch]

girl its been post dog for literal years

😭

[chrome holly]

That's good to hear... I can't believe I'm saying that but DoG may actually be too difficult

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[chrome holly]

Like, Providence is amazing, it's hard but fun

DoG is utter sadism

[drowsy plank]

i think DoG is boring and providence is one of if not the best fight in the mod

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude geode]

So true

[fleet grotto]

dog is fun and easy but poorly made
provi is slightly less fun and not as easy but very well made

my opinion is final

[indigo yacht]

your opinion is sick and i hate you

[indigo yacht]

that's something that's being worked on

[hearty yew]

#suggestions-voting message

flagged this

[sand marlin]

Suggestion bot death 💔

Okay maybe not we just saw it work like an hour and 40m ago

[glass arch]

its offline

[sand marlin]

[sand marlin]

@whole tundra

[glass arch]

@inland saddle bot down

[inland saddle]

damb

[whole tundra]

2nd time that the bot goes down when a post of mine gets flagged

[glass arch]

i think ur too powerful

[golden sonnet]

yeah, I think you are the one breaking it

[glass arch]

actually no i blame garbo bc hes stinky

@vagrant spindle how could you...

[vagrant spindle]

who even u

[glass arch]

the one who calls you stinky

🚿

[indigo yacht]

so mean...

[gilded citrus]

Mold here
Scram

[vagrant spindle]

🛡️

[glass arch]

cant believe it... garbo wants to stay stinky forever.......

[vagrant spindle]

shield that makes u clean

[whole tundra]

Oops I forgot to mention the amount of furniture items

696

[median scaffold]

[whole tundra]

A bit more than the 200

Yes, I just calculated all of them rn

[median scaffold]

@hearty yew, wake up, you have job to do

[glass arch]

shuki everything good there?

[median scaffold]

Welp, why would you ask that?

[whole tundra]

Also gotta love how I am the only person ever who made suggestions that include VCMM

[median scaffold]

VCMM is just perfect ❤️

(I really don't play with it, sadly...)

[hearty yew]

Why the fuck is this post gold? What?

That is my user ID but it's not a valid ping

What

[median scaffold]

I have no idea

@hearty yew

Is it gold?

[hearty yew]

Yes,

that's a valid ping

[median scaffold]

@hearty yew

[hearty yew]

oh well

[median scaffold]

Oh, wait, this is probably just how Discord works

[hearty yew]

that's a lot more than 200 but it's still right

[hearty yew]

fixed the 200 to 600 for the next update, but I'm not going to live update the descriptions again because I already asked the localizers to handle it

[whole tundra]

Valid

Okay that came out way worse than I imagined it

[median scaffold]

What

What's wrong?

[whole tundra]

Nothing, I just thought I sounded rude

[grave zinc]

@tardy geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework or remove Void of calamity]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Wulfrum Drones and Hovercraft able to see through tiles]

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@kindred creek - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add another obtainment method for the Murasama once it's been found]

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@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Armor Set Bonuses visible without needing to equip the full set]

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[indigo yacht]

here's hoping

[frail fox]

It’s already perfect sorry can’t rework it