suggestions-discussion

[indigo yacht]

honestly i kind of like the latter half of the idea, were it to be implemented in a more elegant way

not sure how that would work though

[hollow shell]

Hey, question,
does Calamity change flails (or Blue Moon specifically) to move much faster than in the vanilla game?

I don't see anything about flails nor Blue Moon on the vanilla changes page that would indicate this

But I got a user reporting to me that it does. It's simply faster while Calamity is enabled, slower when disabled.

(If so then I will make this suggestions-channel-relevant. Probably.)

[restive nest]

with calamity enabled i also noticed that flails is much faster

[median scaffold]

iirc, yeah
Calamity buffs most flails to be generally faster (both when it's spinning and thrown)

I don't know which ones aren't affected (I would assume Flairon and Calamity flails), but Mace, Flaming Mace, Blue Moon and Sunfury are 100% faster

[hollow shell]

Alright

Thank you

[lucid marsh]

That's a weird change

[hollow shell]

I'm.. actually not 100% sure how to make this suggestions-relevant
This was more so a wiki issue for not having the info anywhere (a concern which I have now forwarded to #wiki-basic )

[lucid marsh]

So much for sticking to vanilla balance

[hollow shell]

when has that ever been a priority for Calamity?

[lucid marsh]

I can't remember who, but people have made excuses to me for why certain things can't be overhauled because it would break balance for other mods

To me that sounds like a complete joke

[hollow shell]

I do recall a refrain to that effect

[hollow idol]

(locking the conversion of vanilla weapons to rogue)

[hollow shell]

That, yes. That was part of it at least

[hollow idol]

and now we have hardmode progression

[median scaffold]

Sunfury becoming S

Oh, wait, didn't read it right. Oopsies

Sorry for ping

[lucid marsh]

Yeah. Other content mod compatibility is a joke for calamity, and shouldn't be used as a reason for anything

But I don't get to argue that for suggestions :(

[median scaffold]

What are we even talking about, actually?

[hollow shell]

Okay, two possible suggestion ideas:

1. Improved visibility of Calamity changes to vanilla content, so that there's not a reliance on the wiki. (The guy who approached me had no idea if Blue Moon was bugged or not.) (The wiki isn't perfect. If the wiki doesn't have it, it's totally unclear.)
   This would be kind of a huge undertaking at this point, considering Calamity makes sooo many vanilla changes (but that also kinda serves to prove its own necessity; how can you expect players to know about and remember all this shit?). Not sure how best to execute this. A single icon in the tooltip of altered items may be enough? .. which would be well over half of all items, but still, it'd provide that bit of info, that assurance.

_ _
2. Making it so all Calamity weapon changes are toggled by a config, probably one single toggle that affects all of them at once. This would actually improve cross-mod compatibility, and has precedent in existing configs, a lot of which are for changes to vanilla content. Also quite a big undertaking for the coders but more so extensive busywork than anything.
Could have a separate config for all the armor changes too. And accessories. And tools.
Big fat disclaimer on all of them that having them enabled is the intended Calamity experience and you are subject to a poorly balanced experience if disabled.

[lucid marsh]

3. Make vanilla's former throwing weapons plus also boomerangs into rogue weapons :)

[hollow shell]

If we go with Option #2, the devs would have the ability to do that.

[lucid marsh]

(with a config if you must)

[restive nest]

Fargo made it very easy - just additional line in the tooltip, that contains buff, or debuff for an item, and what exactly changed

[lucid marsh]

Yes please! I will finally actually touch rogue if this is done

[hollow shell]

Indeed we could have lines in every single item
But daaamn at this point that'd be an insane amount of tooltip additions

Probably a backburner multi update project

[restive nest]

yeah...

[lucid marsh]

I am not an expert at doing this but I would guess this is the kind of thing that you could make into a separate branch that gets combined into the main mod when finished

That git system kind of thing

That way, someone could work on it separately

If they don't have other things to do

[rugged belfry]

Flail comparison (5 swings + a release)

With Calamity, it took ~29 frames
Without, it took ~51 frames

So about 1.75x faster

[lucid marsh]

Yeah that seems weird. Maybe it should be the effect of an accessory instead of a universal buff

[median scaffold]

I think additional configs, especially of this kind, will bloat them even more

But I guess it would be better than nothing

[lucid marsh]

I don't think "bloating configs" is a problem that matters

I mean, not any time soon

[hollow shell]

Good video, thank you
That Calamity swing speed is comically fast, it does look unintended

[lucid marsh]

Just need to keep them organized

[hollow shell]

And, indeed
I feel like this issue is more important than config bloat

Especially considering they could, in the most simplistic route,
have all changes just be in a single toggle

[median scaffold]

Fair enough

Those are fairly bloated anyways

[restive nest]

why Kingsbane doesn't have point-blank damage

is that intended?

[median scaffold]

Something on Russian

[restive nest]

only basic text

[median scaffold]

I know it, lol

Uhh, maybe it is intended, but if it isn't, it should go to #1052330262492631071 either way

[median scaffold]

Although, do you have Project TRu?

[restive nest]

disabled

[median scaffold]

Hm

Check it on English just in case

[restive nest]

but other weapons didn't have that issue

[median scaffold]

@radiant urchin
Earth Elemental is not an elemental

Also, the reasoning in this suggestion is kinda weak

[gilded citrus]

Yeah its a robot meant to resemble one

[radiant urchin]

Mb idk the lore

[gilded citrus]

The actual earth elemental is sand elemental

[steep patrol]

Gigachad earth elemental

[median scaffold]

I also want Earth Elemental to be my gigachad in this swarm of girls, but sadly, we can't have this

[royal tapir]

Blue Moon's flail is given 1 extra update

[violet zephyr]

Some Vanilla flails were given velocity changes with Extra Updates.

https://github.com/CalamityTeam/CalamityModPublic/blob/6f31fa29a8dfb6b752d1506247ca350c36a3f631/Projectiles/CalamityGlobalProjectileTweaks.cs#L123

The swing speed being fast is a consequence of it being the same projectile as the thrown out one.

[sleek turret]

Config problem (atleast for now) can be solved by splitting the main config into one client config and one server config like any other content mod I've seen since the mod config menu changes (tMod changes)

You could make an entire config section only with gameplay changes and indicate with an icon (since they have these) that is server side configs

[distant gyro]

i actually think client/server side config splitting is unintuitive to a player

it just "arbitrarily" splits gameplay config half and half (not actually arbitrary because its actually on the behalf of the multiplayer syncing, aka internal stuff that you as a clueless player probably dont care about)

if you missed disabling reworked hardmode progression because you didnt care to check server settings as you play solo i would not blame you; that is a totally valid train of thought

[sleek turret]

True actually

[median scaffold]

@drowsy forge
Your suggestion has no title and I think it breaks one of the rules (specifically, about bringing back older content)

[hollow shell]

@spare pond The ❗ reaction means your suggestion is invalid because it broke one of the rules. Look at the guidelines document pinned in here or #suggestions-posting .

Specifically, your suggestion is detailing the exact change you want to see, but provides no information about why this change should be made.

Suggestions should be the inverse. They should be basically all reasoning and explanation, describing a problem with the current state of things that needs to be fixed,
and you should provide only the bare minimum / core direction on the idea to fix that problem.

[golden sonnet]

.

[olive saddle]

CHACHING 3 EXCLAIMS In A ROW!! Im finally getting my childs college fund back

[violet zephyr]

What?

[indigo yacht]

nobody is beating the "cant read" allegations

[errant wren]

read? what's that?

[indigo yacht]

they should add a gun to calamity that does 36 damage 0.5 knockback and has a use time of 6 and also converts all ammo to new special ammo that has a 1/1000 chance to instantly kill everyone but otherwise deals randomly 0.01-5x damage and also its called the gambling guna nd also it and also it and also ansd and

moderator what doy ou think

pls add

[errant wren]

very good

[olive saddle]

GAMBLING

[indigo yacht]

if you're trying to get shark fins, you're not going to fish for them during a blood moon, you're going to go to the ocean biome and take advantage of blood moon spawn rates

[errant wren]

ok but i did that once and sharks still didn't really show up

mostly because of literally everything else spawning

[indigo yacht]

just kill the other enemies

it's always been... relatively quick for me to get fins when i need them, provided i have the right weapons

[violet zephyr]

If you really want Shark Fins, you're not going to the Ocean and waiting for them to spawn, you start a Sandstorm and take advantage of the low spawn pool of the event.

[errant wren]

if i'm doing sandstorm it's because i want the elemental to spawn

[indigo yacht]

tbf that's post 2 mechs

also dune splicers are an absolute nightmare so i try to avoid blood moon sandstorms, but i see your point

[errant wren]

but inherently, a shark should just drop a fin

so this sugg is still valid even if there are more practical sources

[indigo yacht]

oh, i agree with that, I'm just critiquing the latter half of the reasoning because I don't think its necessary

[novel belfry]

mind you im pretty sure the most practical of these sharks would be hemogoblin shark

[errant wren]

and fishing is peak already

[novel belfry]

cause it becomes available in hardmode

just hardmode

around the time when you can get the megashark

[errant wren]

what are shark fins even used for outside of megashark and potions

i haven't actually played calamity in a while

[novel belfry]

in vanilla:

also yeah Neptune's Shell used to be craftable

[indigo yacht]

seafood and some random weapons

they're not very relevant

[errant wren]

sugg to re-add 3DS neptune's shell recipe

[novel belfry]

also the one thing that really invalidates this suggestion's purposes would be to find a shark statue

and use it to get shark fins because for some godforsaken reason that specific statue's sharks still drop shark fins

[errant wren]

you say that as if people use wires

joke

[indigo yacht]

or, as me and seeker of knowledge outlined, instead of fishing, just killing enemies in the ocean or desert biome to get fins

i would just focus on the fact that it's not consistent with literally every other shark related entity

ffs maulers drop shark fins

[errant wren]

i can't wait to go into the abyss for shark fins

...

[indigo yacht]

horay!

[errant wren]

i've fought and killed more reaper sharks in my last playthrough than sharks in the past year

[indigo yacht]

sounds like suffering

[errant wren]

given, i don't even go to the ocean by the time i've gotten to that point

more post-polter ocean content

[indigo yacht]

me visiting the ocean for the first and last time (fishing for reaver shark)

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message good sugg

[half imp]

If they did it on the public git community members would probably help out too (at least I would)

[lucid marsh]

@atomic aurora the post DOG pumpkin and frost moon stuff is getting replaced eventually

So it won't be related if that's done

[vague bramble]

Isn't last mourning a dono weapon too

You'd have to get permission from the donator to change its place no?

[lucid marsh]

Yes

[sand marlin]

@atomic aurora you cannot make suggestions about donor items without permission from the donor themselves

Please read the suggestion rules document

[prisma sedge]

Oh god, another post DoG donor weapon...

[hollow shell]

Is the theming of Nightmare Fuel your only reason for suggesting this?

Also yes you need the donor's permission. Ping me if you need their contact details.

[serene vapor]

You can fill up your entire hotbar with the post-DOG lineup of mage alone

[prisma sedge]

Oh damn, ya don't say!

[drowsy plank]

mage isnt even the worst one; dont look at melee and ranger lmao

[median scaffold]

How bad are summoner and rogue?

I think the former has... 1, and the latter also has 1

[sand marlin]

15 melee and 19 ranger

15/19/12/7/7/1

Or I guess 16/20/12/7/7

[median scaffold]

What is the 1 here?

[glass arch]

classless i assume

or wait no

that one thats both melee and ranged

[fleet grotto]

Prismatic breaker

[indigo yacht]

this is true

I've always disliked living dew because it does so little

honey dew is pretty good for its tier

[sand marlin]

Honey Dew on a tier with literally no debuffs

[median scaffold]

Isn't Crown Jewel still better against debuffs?

[echo leaf]

I always used honey dew when I wanted accelerated natural regen

The debuff cleanse is pretty eh

[tardy geyser]

Would be more useful if it was pre qb

Thats like the one boss I can see myself using it on

[echo leaf]

make slime god inflict burning blood and brain rot

[drowsy plank]

it's so funny because it technically used to be, or, at least, its former version was

and it was very good on QB

because it was just bezoar but better

honey dew and living dew could use some tweaks for sure

[tardy geyser]

Except now it would be more of a bit more side grade to bezoar, because it would just half the duration of poison rather than giving full immunity.

[drowsy plank]

🤯

[indigo yacht]

probably

[drowsy plank]

no one has ever suggested this before and this definitely isn't just a spriter issue

[polar bison]

Are you being sarcastic

[drowsy plank]

yes

[polar bison]

Awww man

[grave zinc]

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add an upgrade to the Hand of Creation]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@stark locust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[**Allow the Photoviscerators homing exo flares(Right Click) to go through blocks when attached to enemies **]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

lol

[grave zinc]

@shell grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase Laudanum's effect accessibility]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[indigo yacht]

i distinctly remember complaining about honey and living dew both being kind of mediocre but got shot down immediately

[drowsy plank]

oh wild

laud buffs

[shell grotto]

Based

[polar bison]

much needed tbh

[drowsy plank]

honestly i just expected it to die at this rate

lmao

[shell grotto]

Well when it inevitably becomes broken you know who to thank/blame ;)

[unborn stream]

😔

[tardy geyser]

Remove ankh from valor iirc

[dense locust]

its already broken

[drowsy plank]

remove valor from ankh

[polar bison]

Remove Valor

[drowsy plank]

deep diver on top

[dense locust]

finally, good ideas from suggestions discussion

[drowsy plank]

anyway uh
idk @hollow shell what are your thoughts on adding missing walls/furniture to frequently suggested after this one gets into voting, because to my understanding, it is usually very well known that these things are missing already in dev, and the only reason they dont exist yet is because spriters haven't gotten around to it

[idle dagger]

Ah damn
This likely means I shouldn’t suggest the ‘combine a bunch of mining and building accessories’ again

[polar bison]

I feel maybe it could help to mention them in CalArt, they seem to be good with some of that stuff

Sorry for suggesting it

[drowsy plank]

it's nbd

like it is true

but yeah you might have more luck bothering people in calart or attempting to submit something there to get people motivated to work on them

[idle dagger]

Although that’s not necessarily asking for an ‘upgrade’ necessarily? Well I guess it is
It’s mainly just “I want a bunch of these effects in one accessory since it’s annoying to run like 5 accessories on my mining/building loadout”

[fleet grotto]

use same logic with fishing

[unborn stream]

fishing acc got nerfed hard in next update iirc

[idle dagger]

fishing does combine a lot of them but not all of them
Stuff like alluring bait and enchanted Pearl are still kept seperate

Separate*

[unborn stream]

and also the fishing thing doesn't actually take fewer accessory slots since it all stacks with the other tackle bags and stuff lol

[idle dagger]

True there’s no cap on fishing power like there is mining speed buffs

[unborn stream]

what if calamity uncapped mining speed

[hollow shell]

Not sure how to feel about it.
At the very least suggestions serve as a reminder, or an incentive. Affect dev priorities, i.e. 'people really want this so maybe we should get it done sooner'

If a dev themself comes in and says they're annoyed by this suggestion then I'll consider it more

[shell grotto]

It’s pretty weak outside one scenario and should be way less niche.

[unborn stream]

oh speaking of fishing accessories, do y'all think that for the purposes of alluring bait, stuffed fish should count as a "potion ingredient fish" 🤔

[golden sonnet]

I feel like letting this one in is good as it's a better list than I've seen before, we can pass it even though it will sit in stasis, and then we can shoot down future suggs as it has already passed as discussed in #dev-mod-corner where we determined when it is ok to repost suggestions

[indigo yacht]

that's kind of funny actually

[shell grotto]

No

[dense locust]

I have no idea if we're thinking of the same "one scenario" but I do generally agree

[tardy geyser]

I think stuffed fish should be removed and allow herb bags to be fished up instead

[shell grotto]

My thought was ravager because lets be honest golem firsts are never hitting you and levis dashes are too punishing to be beneficial.

[indigo yacht]

red potion

[dense locust]

I was thinking of brain and red potion lol

[shell grotto]

Alternatively people should just use planter boxes.

[unborn stream]

goes hard actually

planter boxes are bad actually

[dense locust]

compromise: stuffed fish now only contain seeds

[unborn stream]

you can harvest non-blooming plants with a staff of regrowth if they're specifically not on planter boxes, and you still get the seeds and bonus drops

[shell grotto]

Eh.

[frail fox]

The solution that makes nobody happy

[golden sonnet]

@polar bison Pyre mantle wall has already had a suggestion pass for it and is in changelogs for the next update already, remove it from your suggestion but keeping the molten version is fine

[hollow shell]

You get seeds from non-blooming plants if you use Staff of Regrowth?
Like a net positive amount of seeds, not just 1?

[indigo yacht]

if 1.4.5 doesn't have pairing the correct herb with the correct planter box granting an increased growth speed (in some manner) im never playing terraria again

unless...

Make planter boxes less dumb

[golden sonnet]

yes, they still need to be fully grown though

[hollow shell]

Huh.
I feel like that kinda defeats the point of the blooming mechanics
but I suppose harvesting during bloom is still way more profitable

[shell grotto]

Yeah a solid idea there. Or their yield gets increased as a stacking bonus alongside regrowth.

[indigo yacht]

oh yeah true

color coding is nice but i want an incentive besides autism

[shell grotto]

LMAO

I have absolutely been there!

[indigo yacht]

also if smart cursor could only place herbs in the proper planter box that would be wonderful please and thank you xoxo

[shell grotto]

The only issue I have with planter boxes is when I’m harvesting, they don’t replant. If they moved regrowth to that purpose and made the matching boxes increase yield it’d be better.

[golden sonnet]

bloom is identical to not bloom with staff of regrowth, but as mentioned planter boxes specifically don't let herbs get harvested unless they are blooming so this feature doesn't matter most of the time

[indigo yacht]

love how axe of regrowth automatically replants saplings but staff of regrowth doesn't replant herbs

[crude geode]

It’s so funny to me that because nobody realizes clay pots exist, clay is just like slightly differently colored dirt most of the time

[indigo yacht]

UGLY dirt

ICKY

[golden sonnet]

I realize they exist but they need to be placed on something so herb farms take double the space which I dislike

and don't look as good as planter boxes imo

[hollow shell]

It's exactly the same?? Both herb and seed yields??
Staff of Regrowth just lets you bypass the whole mechanic???

[golden sonnet]

yes

[hollow shell]

Whyyyy

[shell grotto]

I acknowledge their existence but I refuse their use on account of needing 3 blocks for plants vs 2.

[violet zephyr]

Staff of Regrowth and Planter Boxes just allow you to ignore most of the mechanics of the herbs.

[indigo yacht]

you can't combine them though can you

[hollow shell]

Planter Boxes don't do anything special afaik

[golden sonnet]

Actually pots also don't let you harvest unless they are blooming, so it doesn't really ever matter. When are you planting herbs on tiles

[drowsy plank]

yeah planters boxes aren't special

can you replace herbs on dirt or mud or clay or whatever? ive never actually tried

[shell grotto]

They count as dirt, mud, snow, sand, corrupted, and ash all at once.

[golden sonnet]

yes but your weapons will kill them all if you misclick once

[drowsy plank]

if staff of regrowth bypasses the requirement for growth i feel like i should try a tile herb farm at some point lmao

mostly for deathweed

[hollow shell]

Ah I see, didn't think about the herbs requiring specific blocks

[indigo yacht]

bloody tear

[hollow shell]

right right that too

[drowsy plank]

in preHm you cant really just make it night on a whim

[golden sonnet]

yeah, calamity already bypasses the bloom mechanic, torrential tear + cosmolight + bloody tear + ratio

[hollow shell]

ok nvm planter boxes are still goated

(aside from not letting you minmax with the Regrowth bypass that apparently exists)

[indigo yacht]

fair, but you usually don't spend that much time in phm either

i just check if my deathweed is fully grown and if it is i wait until like 4:20 then start a blood moon and harvest it

[distant gyro]

blinkroot

[golden sonnet]

wait can you actuate planter boxes?

[indigo yacht]

and shiverthorn i believe

[golden sonnet]

can someone test?

[hollow shell]

I believe the herbs remain planted on them even if they're actuated

but I could be wrong

[golden sonnet]

yes but then they break when you hit them

so you would be able to staff of regrowth bonus them if they are mature

[hollow shell]

I.. doubt that it works like that
But may as well test

[golden sonnet]

I know you can break them and leave the plant floating and then the plant breaks when you hit it, but idk if you can actuate them. I feel like you can't

[unborn stream]

is plants staying when you break the block under them a vanilla thing? tmodloader? calamity? something else entirely?

[errant wren]

planter boxes? you would think that they would all be available (outside of space lab) at the same time since they're functionally identical

[unborn stream]

dryad does a little trolling

[golden sonnet]

honestly I might change that, I like the daybloom ones best but they are sold later than the others so I just cheat them in

[errant wren]

thank you raesh

very cool

[hollow shell]

I just deal with the amount you get from the space lab, and expand my garden as the boxes get unlocked

[errant wren]

i like actually using them for their "intended" herbs

[indigo yacht]

I just deal with the amount you get from the space lab

[drowsy plank]

i swore we got a suggestion about this that passed that would change it so you could just buy them all immediately

i think it ended up just moving the evils from WoF to evil1 or something but i know one of them is still locked behind like skeletron or something

[golden sonnet]

I don't think cal makes any changes to when they are sold

[drowsy plank]

i swore i saw something about that

i dont think anyone would complain if you fixed that tho

they're all identical so it's just stupid to progression lock them

yes i love making my base look good harder how could you tell

[indigo yacht]

architect gizmo pack should require cosmolite bars because Fuck You

[drowsy plank]

add auric bars to step stool

[dense locust]

hand of creation now requires demonshade bars

[indigo yacht]

too op

[dense locust]

step stool but it goes +2 blocks

[indigo yacht]

terra toilet spiritual successor

auric step stool

[indigo yacht]

i want to try and make a sprite for this now

with my non existent pixel art skills

[errant wren]

step ladder: step stool + 99 shadowspec bars

[grave zinc]

@stark locust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[**Allow the Photoviscerators homing exo flares(Right Click) to go through blocks when attached to enemies **]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[indigo yacht]

winning at record speeds

[oblique birch]

wow

[violet zephyr]

What.

[hollow shell]

This suggestion is very uhh.. rambling?

[violet zephyr]

What can I even say?

Its just... wrong.

On everything.

[hollow shell]

The title also should be the change you're asking for, not a description of the problem like you've done there

[frail fox]

Really interesting

[violet zephyr]

Astral Bars are only used for, I believe, two items Post-ML, Ravager dropping the ingrediants for Life Alloy is a convenience, and is not a nessecity, and will be removed in the future. Ark of the Elements and True Biome Blade aren't gotten at the same time.

[waxen girder]

Anyone else feel like there’s a content hole between astrum aureus and astrum deus? Bosses like: plaguebringer, ravager, empress of light, deus and betsy feel very filler because they drop underpowerd stuff, can’t craft further, or needs ancient manipulator to craft. Swear ravager used to be important once. Not only dropping life alloy stuff but also another item I believe that was used to craft a bunch of important stuff

[drowsy plank]

what are you talking about

[hollow shell]

Ravager still drops the Life Alloy and Core of Calamity ingredients

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Fleshy_Geode

[waxen girder]

What do you mean? One is right before moon lord when the pillars are active and one is right after

[waxen girder]

He does, but by that ime you already had em since golem

[violet zephyr]

Pre-Moon Lord and Post-Moon Lord are seperate tiers.

[waxen girder]

In my experience I just rushed through these 5 bosses on the boss list with nothing inportant to provide. I wanted to do deus before cultist because I was going for biome blade but only later realised astral ore is for ancient manipulator…

Got NOTHING useful and nothing ceaftable besides terraprisma

[hollow shell]

Scoria Bars / Life Alloys have never been post-Ravager.
Also, you can fight Ravager early if you want, he has no boss lock.

[waxen girder]

I’m not claiming that…

[hollow shell]

(you have to do funny stuff with the temple though)

[drowsy plank]

i love calling everything from aureus to deus underpowered lmfao what kind of frankenstein modpack are you playing

[waxen girder]

Calamity, thorium, ragnarok and thorium bosses reworked

Also on master

[violet zephyr]

The one where they think dummies are valuable for testing weapons.

[glass arch]

yeah that explains why

heres a tip

[frail fox]

What is ragnarok

[glass arch]

dont try to play cal and thorium together if you want an actually balanced experience

the 2 mods are balanced in vastly different ways

[violet zephyr]

A mod that tries to have compatibility between Calamity and Thorium.

[frail fox]

Well I’m sure it’s trying

[waxen girder]

But outside that does anything change between these 5 bosses?

[drowsy plank]

yeah it fails

rangnarok's custom drops are busted out the ass

[glass arch]

i once tested thorium items on cal bosses
it has an iirc intended post plant weapon that kills storm weaver in like. under a minute

[waxen girder]

Which is?

[drowsy plank]

legitimately i have no fucking clue what you're talking about man that is THE single most bloated section of progression in the game

[hollow shell]

Oh. Yeah. Ragnarok mod rebalances Calamity and Thorium, like it literally changes item stats.

You're not experiencing Calamity as it is.

[glass arch]

https://thoriummod.wiki.gg/wiki/Old_God's_Vision

[waxen girder]

Can’t agree, have been using terra blade on melee since plantera and megalodon for ranger doing a mix of classes

No crafting material was usefull up until astral bars

And the infected plating

[violet zephyr]

What does this mean for worms...

[waxen girder]

But all those have recipies for manipulator

[glass arch]

...using 2 weapons does not mean the progression section is not bloated

[glass arch]

sub minute storm weaver

[frail fox]

Tbf it’s not like there are any works after destroyer normally but yeah

[violet zephyr]

Anyone can use any weapon on any tier. That doesn't mean its optimal.

[glass arch]

it also kills golem in 30 seconds

[waxen girder]

I’m not saying that I’m saying there’s no useful recipe for anything else nor is there a crafting material that’s useful

[glass arch]

thats just flat out not true

[oblique birch]

what?

[glass arch]

just because you dont use it doesnt mean it isnt useful

[drifting socket]

killing providence with a copper shortsword rn

[drowsy plank]

you're playing the most horrific modpack known to man this is not calamity's fault and also you're literally just wrong. you cant argue that this isnt the most bloated section of the game because that is just based on the amount of bosses shoved into that tier. what you're talking about is weapons being unbalanced but like of fuckign course they are you're playing The Unbalanced Modpack this is your own fault

[frail fox]

Fun, a lot in common with pre-nerf duststorm then

[hollow shell]

PBG drops Infected Armor Plating which is necessary for a Draedon lab weapon set

[waxen girder]

Didn’t ravager used to drop these or?

[violet zephyr]

That is Post-Providence.

[waxen girder]

Like 2 years ago

[drowsy plank]

no he drops bloodstone post-providence

no

[frail fox]

Please read the image you sent

[drowsy plank]

he always only dropped it post-provi

[hollow shell]

He still does. Necromantic Geodes.

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Necromantic_Geode

[glass arch]

that would be bloodstone itself

not the item crafted with it

[hollow shell]

I assume the suggester is referring to Bloodstone as a set

[waxen girder]

Damn you love to argue, just your opinion tho. Not objective. Mine’s different 🙂 played this mod 5 times through and through over last 5 years. With and without addons. So this “objective” opinion won’t change it

[glass arch]

anyways regardless of if you're using it or not that doesnt detract from the fact it exists

[glass arch]

...you wanna brag about how many times you've played it?

[waxen girder]

Nah

[glass arch]

then why bring it up

[waxen girder]

There’s people who live for this

[waxen girder]

Cog tried to make it seem like it’s my fault for playing a horrific mod pack for an example that doesn’t change with the modpack

Was trying to make an example with the true biome blade

[glass arch]

no this is an example that very much does change with modpack

as stated before

[hollow shell]

Their argument comes from the fact that your current experience is based on a mod that rebalances Calamity.

[waxen girder]

I just don’t think it’s healthy for it to be just tiny tiny bit before moon lord

[glass arch]

ragnarok changes balance for both thorium and calamity

[waxen girder]

Then yall went to attack me like I’m dumb for hsing addons

[glass arch]

that is not the case

[waxen girder]

Just posted an opinion yall don’t have to white knight it

[glass arch]

what we are saying is your claim is flawed due to you basing it off of a mod that directly changes calamity's balance

[waxen girder]

I don’t mind if you don’t agree

But cog was borderline rude

And pissed

[void onyx]

it's kinda funny that you point out on astral bars when skeletron and maybe slime god also has an insane numbero f unlocks

[hollow shell]

Well, Ark of the Elements is not an upgrade to True Biome Blade anyhow
It's not a huge deal if they're close in tier
But they're separated by ML who is a major gating boss

[lucid marsh]

how else are people supposed to act when you are making factually incorrect statements and insisting they make sense

[hollow shell]

(don't make it worse, xb)

[prisma sedge]

Aww, it seems like Ragnarok doesn't have a wiki

[waxen girder]

But it’s a favourite line up… ark of elements is pretty useless after aureus then it’s nothing till cultist then both weapons one after another

[stark locust]

[waxen girder]

I’m having an opinion… lol

[glass arch]

unfortunately, enjoying using something does not mean that that something is always viable

[waxen girder]

I’m just trying to say that after aureus

The boss drops don’t align all that well and all the bosses from aureus to deus

Feel filler

[glass arch]

and if its useless after aureus that seems like a balance issue

[waxen girder]

And that the true biome blade would be nice to be able to craft after ravager

[frail fox]

(It’s also wrong)

[glass arch]

which does not go in #suggestions-posting

[hollow shell]

To be fair,
kinda true

[waxen girder]

See at least he’s open to hearing me out

I just ran through the bosses

And plaguebringer was hard

But didn’t deliver much

Imo

[glass arch]

which is a suggestion regarding future content, and that is disallowed by the rules listed in pins

[waxen girder]

Again IMO

[waxen girder]

Sorry about that I’ll remove the spoiler

[glass arch]

rav having a rework isnt a spoiler

its been widely public for years

[hollow shell]

Duke and EoL in vanilla are meant to be optional bosses
and PBG and Ravager are not required for progression either

In vanilla, Golem leads directly to Cultist, progression-wise
So there being 4 bosses between them (or 6 if you count Betsy and Martian Saucer) (8-to-11 if you count the Holiday Moons),
means yeah it does feel really stuffed with not much of unique value to gain from each

[void onyx]

ngl i can also somewhat agree with AoTE TBB part
but theres a shit ton of good melee weapons at that phase

aegis blade, briny baron

[hollow shell]

Because by necessity they must all be optional, they all just grant their own weapons and equipment, their only value being something to use, stats.

[glass arch]

astrum deus is at a really weird spot in progression and that leaves its unlocks and drops with very little in terms of identity

[waxen girder]

There we go my point exactly I go by boss checklist that’s how I always wanted to complete the game. To be 100% in the end and it does feel filler

[void onyx]

ive always found that abit weird

pml theme is supposed to be like cosmic and gods

[waxen girder]

Especially with no endothermic and exothermic energy being dropped on the long events

Yet

[void onyx]

deus is like a weakened god

and provi feels abit too strong thematically to be the second boss pml

[glass arch]

thats outdated lore, deus is a worm from space that got eaten by the astral

[void onyx]

o

rip

[waxen girder]

In my eyes it’s a quick solution to more of the material you’re gonna need anyway

[glass arch]

you have to realize how fast power scales up in terraria

the average person is like

[hollow shell]

This is what Cog was talking about with the bloated tier actually, though you two somehow were arguing against each other in support of the same point

[glass arch]

the guide

[void onyx]

lol

true

[waxen girder]

In my eyes astral bars should be a bit before because with moon lord and the pillars and the ancient manipulator it’s too much stuff at once

[glass arch]

and the guide stands negative chance against provi

[hollow shell]

(oh god don't bring lore into this)

[void onyx]

yeah i wont xD

[novel belfry]

those Elemental weapons should use Astral Bars since Galactica Singularity is getting removed from them (for some reason)

[glass arch]

yeah as i said
its a really weird spot in progression and that leaves most of the content there with little to no room to have an identity

[waxen girder]

I guess so

[glass arch]

galactica singularities as a whole are being removed iirc

[hollow shell]

Unfortunately I'm not sure what the solution is.
It might be uhh
removing weapon sets from these bosses, and thinking really damn hard about unique things of value for these bosses to grant you.
But that will be hard indeed

[novel belfry]

shame... i liked them...
whatever. i think Astral Bars would be a better material for them

[waxen girder]

Whaaat didn’t know about this. Thought they were soo cool.

[glass arch]

ok never mind im looking at this and im not seeing anything like that

[novel belfry]

Also, Astral Ore is such a lame name for the ore of somethin called the Astral Infection

[hollow shell]

Skeletron and Lunatic Cultist can get away with not dropping weapon sets because they're so important for progression
We can't necessarily do that with optional bosses

[glass arch]

the last real talk of it i can see is a suggestion mpg made back in 2023 that got denied

though that is a completely different team

[drowsy plank]

pbg is a problem child that i think is finally being addressed

moving astral bars before cultist fixing absolutely nothing and actually makes the problem worse

the main reason i was arguing with him is because we somehow both identified the same problem (too many optional bosses between golem and cultist) and somehow came to the exact opposite conclusions

[hollow shell]

(There has been a lot of talk in the past about making Deus an alternate source of Ancient Manipulator, thus making it a full Lunatic Cultist & Pillar Event alt, because Deus already drops the Fragments as well.
It'd let you craft Astral Bars without having to kill Cultist, too.)

[waxen girder]

Right here buddy. There’s a guy behind the screen you came ate me too much no need to be rude

[drowsy plank]

you think adding more content will somehow fix it, when the obvious answer is reducing the amount of content is the solution

and of course your conclusions were that somehow, some of the strongest weapons in the game like spikecrag and kaliedoscope and razorblade typhoon and such were actually the weakest (which we have the data to disprove) but this is all because of playing a modpack which drastically skews balance in a completely different direction from the intended calamity experience

[hollow shell]

Okay yeah actually I forgot about Kaleidoscope. If you're playing summoner, that remains the best whip in the game, because Calamity does not yet add any whips. You use it against SCal and Exos.
So EoL is very valuable in that aspect (even if she won't stay that way forever)

[glass arch]

even if calamity added whips

if kaleido was left unnerfed it would instantaneously either force cal whips after it into massive powercreep or it would powercreep all of them before they were even added

[waxen girder]

Isn’t catalyst tackling that now?

[glass arch]

catalyst adds whips yes and they also nerf snapthorn and kaleido

[hollow shell]

It adds whips yeah, but that's not an official Calamity addon.

[hollow shell]

I assume when Cal adds whips then Kaleido will get rebalanced hard

[violet zephyr]

Summoner Rebalance will happen before or at the same time as new whips.

[glass arch]

kaleido will have to be nerfed into the ground

it is just that good

[drowsy plank]

it's just annoying because there is definitely a completely valid problem here, and ive seen it time and time again, people will identify such issues, but because they're playing modded terraria like it's modded minecraft they have a dozen mods which distort their view on the situation and they refuse to do the research so they make completely valid suggestions with the worst reasoning you have ever seen

i see it time and time again and im just so tired of it

[royal tapir]

Kaleidoscope 💥

[glass arch]

that is an accurate representation of it yeah

kaleidoscope 💥

[novel belfry]

anyways thats cool and all but what about my Astral Ore rename suggestion

[hollow shell]

mm
(but probably not a good idea to continue calling the user's suggestion "the worst" when they've already taken objection to you insulting them)

[waxen girder]

What a passion driven mod. Calamity team you have a good one here. He’s willing to throw hands to prove facts!

And I really mean that jeez

[hollow shell]

I agree.
Astral Ore is a boring and old name

[drowsy plank]

honestly what if they just renamed it to like... ethereal asteroid or something

[royal tapir]

Nah that's pulling an Infernal Suevite

[drowsy plank]

i like infernal suevite

[royal tapir]

I don't

[novel belfry]

nerd

[glass arch]

well no she isnt a dev

[drowsy plank]

if anything it makes more sense for astral to be like this

[royal tapir]

Renamed to Astraloid

[drowsy plank]

it's not like its called "meteorite ore" it's just "meteorite"

[glass arch]

i can see vanilla doing this exact thing i love it

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[hollow shell]

Well the meteorite is a plain ole real meteorite
Astral Infection is a bit more special

[novel belfry]

okay the reason CIT probably dislikes "Suevite" is because its a term for rock containing glass that formed during an impact event

[waxen girder]

And please if possible make the distance from true biome blade to ark of elements a bit bigger not just right pre and post moon lord. Anyway you see fit

[drowsy plank]

well yeah, which is why i think calling it an ore is more boring. it's not an ore, it's an infected rock

[royal tapir]

Nah

[novel belfry]

now, im not here to debate whether Calamitas's fight with the Brimstone Elemental counts as an impact event

[royal tapir]

I didn't know what suevite meant, I just don't like it because it's too verbose

[hollow shell]

(what if we made Astral Ore's name be latin like the bosses)

[royal tapir]

Same with Infernal Congealment

[drowsy plank]

PEAK

[glass arch]

australium oreite

[royal tapir]

Oh okay!
Astrumoid

[distant gyro]

awesome

[drowsy plank]

cit you keep saying these things but the problem is i actually like them so idc

yeah do it

[glass arch]

i meant to astralium but. australium works too. team fortress 2 and whatnot

[royal tapir]

Astral Infection is not Australian sorry

[hollow shell]

Space Australia

[royal tapir]

Terror

[hollow shell]

Go Space Broncos!

[waxen girder]

How about

[novel belfry]

but im pretty sure that hilariously Suevite might actually better fit Astral Ore than the Brimstone Crags ore

[waxen girder]

The ore down under

[drowsy plank]

tbf there is that one aureus weapon that's named after the southern borealis that's something like australia since that's who sees it and henceforth named it

[royal tapir]

Alula Australis

[drowsy plank]

yeh that

[royal tapir]

This means Australia exists in Terraria

[hollow shell]

That'd be a new name for Infernal Suevite

[drowsy plank]

just like jesus

[royal tapir]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897614777315123230/1189288948783136888/169AC91D-DC7E-4101-B076-83521C30DFB6.gif

[novel belfry]

okay

[glass arch]

i almost pinged fluffy about this but then i remembered they live in new zealand

[drowsy plank]

i remember #lore-discussion doing some research to prove the crosses weren't just like coincidentally similar (the cross/cross-like symbols were used a lot by a lot of people before christians im p sure) but it was specifically the christian one bc of. reasons i forget

henceforth, jesus

[royal tapir]

Well okay lore discussion

[novel belfry]

so first off, the Astral Ore exists because a star got too old and became infected and then fell to Terraria

so maybe we dont even need to look at asteroid stuff

maybe we need a bit of

[drowsy plank]

call it blighted starfall...,..,.,.,.

[waxen girder]

Before you settle on this Lula means waterfall or peeing in most slavic languages… even pipe smoking in some

Bit akward

[glass arch]

it was specifically the christian one most likely because of that being like the most common depiction of it

[drowsy plank]

fair

[hollow shell]

Piss Australia

[glass arch]

alula australis is a real world phenomenon

[violet zephyr]

We can call it "Fallen Mana" to mirror the Fallen Star item.

[waxen girder]

A - lula means is he peeing?

[hollow shell]

no way they added australian beer to Calamity

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[glass arch]

what the shit sniper tf2

[hollow shell]

Jarate was a planned rogue item btw

[royal tapir]

This name has been in the mod for 4.5 years

[glass arch]

dear god

[waxen girder]

The damage is done 😫😱

[glass arch]

once again its a real world phenomenon

[novel belfry]

The World of TF2 if the Adminstrator was told that you can obtain Australium from Astral Infected meteors

[drowsy plank]

that's not bad
it would be cool if it stopped being a bar too

[violet zephyr]

I was joking.

That is a horrible name.

[drowsy plank]

idc anything is better than "astral bar" in my opinion

it's boring

[hollow shell]

wait hang on, cooking?

[novel belfry]

Morphmana

[drowsy plank]

society must make one billion more bars

[waxen girder]

What about Tail star

[novel belfry]

scientific term for Astral Infection

Crystallized Morphmana

[drowsy plank]

this truly is cascadious

twilight egressian

whatever

[hollow shell]

What if Astral Ore wasn't an ore at all, and instead killing Astrum Deus ("Star God") made it so new 'Astral' Fallen Star variants started falling at night
and you used those in the current Astral Bar crafts

Fuck ores.

[waxen girder]

That sounds cool as heck

+1

[novel belfry]

maybe we could call them... Galactica Singularities

[waxen girder]

Why are they being removed tho

[novel belfry]

i legit could not tell you what is their specific reasoning

[hollow shell]

If they're even getting removed

[frail fox]

They aren’t cause addons or something

[novel belfry]

if i had to hazard a guess, "It's a combination of all lunar fragments, but we could literally just use the lunar fragments by themselves to cull down on material bloat"

[waxen girder]

Gotcha.

One last thing before I dip

[hollow shell]

I personally don't have an issue with combo mats like this, because it makes it so looking at item recipes is more "categorized". Looking at Solar Fragment crafts rn only shows you Solar specific things.

[waxen girder]

What tf is ravager being pushed to post providence after rework?

[hollow shell]

I am the guy who invented Ascendant Spirit Essence btw

[hollow shell]

I believe it is, yes.
That'll cut down on the late-HM boss bloat issue we've been talking about.

[drowsy plank]

singularities wouldnt be so bad if you didnt need so many tbh

ravager is becoming the bloodstone boss he already is but officially

and the last boss rematch dies with him

thank god for that

giant clam doesnt count

[waxen girder]

Actually forcing you to moon lord faster?

[hollow shell]

Less bosses people feel obligated to fight, indeed

[novel belfry]

maybe if they werent literally only obtained by crafting together the lunar fragments

[hollow shell]

It's already optional but I think the vast majority of Calamity players kill 100% of the bosses. They feel like they're missing out otherwise.

[waxen girder]

Oh yeah just remembered one last question tho. Why does slime god run away is this a lore thing? I remember killing the core way back when I was playing calamity

[novel belfry]

yeah he does that

[drowsy plank]

lore thing

[novel belfry]

(I hate it)

[drowsy plank]

he becomes queen slime

then you kill him

[royal tapir]

Galactica Singularities survived a removal vote

[waxen girder]

Gotcha, thanks

[novel belfry]

(just let me kill him when i first fight him, queen slime is a fate worse than death)

[drowsy plank]

lmao

just butcher her after plantera or something

[hollow shell]

Gotcha, thanks CIT

[violet zephyr]

Core phase was removed. This lead to New Lore being able to explain Queen Slime as being Slime God, so the message of them running was added instead of them dying.

[waxen girder]

Would be cool to make it make more sense with queen slime then. Because everyone sees the text mostly but a very small percent read the lore

[drowsy plank]

honestly if there was just a death animation on QS that showed the core i dont think nearly as many people would give a shit

[hollow shell]

(pre-22, there were plans to depict SG becoming QS, or interacting with QS in some way)

[novel belfry]

Exactly. Queen Slime isnt even explicitly said in ANY WAY to be what the Slime God became before you know, kill the QS

[violet zephyr]

Queen Slime should drop Pure Gel.

[waxen girder]

Or a secret way to fight the core

[drowsy plank]

no

[novel belfry]

you'd assume that the Slime God instead went off to become Goozma or something

[waxen girder]

Yeeee

[hollow shell]

Cuphead style secret phases...

[waxen girder]

That was my thought

[drowsy plank]

anyway you could literally just

Queen Slime has been defeated!
Slime God's Core has been defeated!

boom there done

[waxen girder]

He was busy while we were ranking up

[novel belfry]

HILARIOUS

[hollow shell]

Then people will think the second message is a bug

[drowsy plank]

sounds like a problem for shade

[waxen girder]

Dows that mean he was in love with queen slime and he ran off after his love

To fight you as a couple

[drowsy plank]

no queen slime was just another vessel he made

[violet zephyr]

The "core" isn't even called a core anymore...

[hollow shell]

Death animation would be best I think.
QS dies, SG's core rises out of its corpse, and pops.
Make the music cut out and refocus the camera just so people are guaranteed to see it and go "Ooohhh, I get it."

[waxen girder]

Hmm I see soo much more potential there than you offing him as queen slime

[drowsy plank]

calamity apparently has a staunch no fucking with the camera policy

[waxen girder]

Especially with queen is usually below god

[drowsy plank]

so you'll just have to live with the death animation

[hollow shell]

Really? Damn.

[drowsy plank]

no panning

yeah

it was a whole thing post infernum

[violet zephyr]

I love the idea of Queen Slime's crystal being destroyed and you just see Slime God's eye fall on the ground. Unceremoniously.

[hollow shell]

Music cut out is good enough then

[novel belfry]

If you still want the Slime God to die right then and there, you could even make this hilarious by just having the Slime God try to fly away, only to just fall down and shatter because he's been crystallized

[violet zephyr]

Maybe even make it take knockback like Nosk's husk from Hollow Knight.

[tardy geyser]

Give astral ore a latin name like deus and aureus? Something like astra argentum. The astral weapons and armor also have really unoriginal names.

[hollow shell]

You're late, we already proposed that

But yes indeed

[tardy geyser]

[waxen girder]

I like that

[hollow shell]

Astral Armor has always bothered me

[novel belfry]

YES

[waxen girder]

Ohh great we moved from astral australia right to astral argentina

[violet zephyr]

Is it because Titan Heart exists and is not even arguably a better name?

[novel belfry]

almost as if argentina was named after argentum (silver)

[waxen girder]

Just trying to make a funny point hhaha

[violet zephyr]

Chad is named after a chad, which is a lake, so now you have a country called Lake.

[novel belfry]

In English, the name Argentina comes from the Spanish language; however, the naming itself is not Spanish, but Italian. Argentina (masculine argentino) means in Italian '(made) of silver, silver coloured', derived from the Latin argentum for silver. In Italian, the adjective or the proper noun is often used in an autonomous way as a substantive and replaces it and it is said l'Argentina.

(I actually legit did not know this until you made that comment about astral argentina)

you just made me have a brain blast

[waxen girder]

Really cool fact but most peeps are not picking up on that

[novel belfry]

(mind you, the generation of the astral infection also causes other preexisting ores to be turned into astral ore)

(which includes, incidentally, silver)

[hollow shell]

(I don't remember if this was an official plan or just my headcanon but it was like
QS is a separate slime entity
But we'd add a new phase to QS's fight, where SG suddenly arrives and merges with it, as is its nature to absorb all slimes and grow in power
But this would be an unintentionally suicidal move for it, because all the Evil Biome stuff its been absorbing opposes the Hallow,
so when you kill QS-SG, it dies for real.)

[waxen girder]

That makes a bit more sense yeah

[hollow shell]

SG outright becoming QS is fine for explaining why QS is more powerful than SG though

[waxen girder]

Or if catalysr didn’t take it, it could be tied in with astral bars that could be something like star slime matter or something and have the astralgeldon be the final SG

Fight

A god that has ascended with the stars

And then fallen for a final fight

[tropic yoke]

I like the idea of the hallow being incompatible with the Slime God, like if it tried to absorb QS it'd get poisoned or something, and it just happened to get stronger than SG

[hollow shell]

I think Astrageldon's lore in Catalyst is that it comes from another dimension
idk if it was the SG in its reality or not

[north oracle]

I FORGOT DRAEDON BARS WERE A THING

thank you for reminding me of this

[novel belfry]

[tropic yoke]

Uh yeah

Everything he says is bars

[hollow shell]

I liked imagining that SG-QS would take passive DoT during the fight, or have self-damaging attacks

[waxen girder]

Well multiverses are in nowadays I hear…

[novel belfry]

Often the Astralgeldon is associated a lot with, incidentally, a variant of the Astral Infection introduced in CalVal

Astral Blight

[tropic yoke]

Or like noxus versus nameless, where their fight is grand that you're just trying to avoid the crossfire

[waxen girder]

But that makes king slime inadequate

[novel belfry]

given its a vanity mod its really just a chill biome who doesnt give a fuck

[waxen girder]

Where is he?

[tropic yoke]

Even though they're easy af

[waxen girder]

Who is he the king of…

[novel belfry]

have you heard of the term king of kings

[waxen girder]

And why is queen so much more important than the king in this scenario

[novel belfry]

and the person who has that term

[hollow shell]

Dead, we killed him.
Little bitch who we got to kill before SG ate him I think

[tropic yoke]

Slimes are like spiders

The females are bigger and scarier

i think

[hollow shell]

girl power

[waxen girder]

Hahah awesome

[tardy geyser]

Only issue I have with the slime god to queen slime thing is slime gods defeat message looks like a despawn message, which confuses new players

[tropic yoke]

Honestly Slime God doesn't feel like a good name for it

[novel belfry]

yeah because his leaving animation sucks so badly

[waxen girder]

Then legit SG and Queen slime could have a sad little love story, stockholm syndrome style

[tropic yoke]

Maybe just name it Slime Lord or Emperor or something better than king but below god

In my eyes Goozma is the real slime god

[waxen girder]

Yep it’s a bit wierd like you’re gonna fight him again the next second or he’ll just spawn in at random

[tropic yoke]

Cuz he's awesome

[waxen girder]

Same

[boreal lichen]

One is an actual person that became a slime, the other is a slime

[tropic yoke]

Which

Wait am I gonna have to read lore fir this

[waxen girder]

No they could make it a death animation on queen slime

Yeah slime god should be more like: THE ABSORBER, Twisted absorbtion or The Sludge

[boreal lichen]

No

[waxen girder]

Empty Slime

[boreal lichen]

That's literally against its lore

[novel belfry]

"Your feelings for her are not real"
"THEY ARE REAL TO ME"

[boreal lichen]

It doesn't absorb things like most slimes

[novel belfry]

yeah we cant forget the lore

😭

[boreal lichen]

Yeah

[waxen girder]

I don’t know the lore imma be honest but it makes little sense with god being above queens and kings and its not really a god

[boreal lichen]

https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/568192082473386020

[glass arch]

it is in fact a god

[oblique birch]

It is a god

It's getting god sigil

[waxen girder]

A god of slimes?

[boreal lichen]

Yes

[waxen girder]

So it controlls queen slime also

[boreal lichen]

Anyways this is not lore discussion

[waxen girder]

She’s below him

If I understand correctly

[boreal lichen]

Again, if you want to talk abt lore, I posted a link to the channel

[waxen girder]

Not too interested if I’m being honest. But wanted to understand why it couldn’t work. So I’ll probably give it a shot

[novel belfry]

i mean, you could read the lore document that summarizes much of the lore

its nice to read through it

[drowsy plank]

#lore-discussion 👈

[kindred creek]

How many votes does a suggestion need to pass?

[lucid marsh]

It needs to be in the top something percent (I think like 20%?) for the week that it's posted

Or something like that, anyways

That way, the variance between different weeks isn't much of a factor

This system isn't exactly perfect though, because if all the suggestions are good then a bunch will just randomly get screwed over

[glass arch]

top 20% yea

[lucid marsh]

I would prefer if it was any suggestion that got more than some long running average number of stars, or something based roughly on that

[crude geode]

that is how it used to be, and it was kinda wack

[lucid marsh]

If not that, then something to mitigate the fact that a good suggestion can still sometimes not make it through. Maybe there can be a star threshold past which a suggestion gets sent in regardless of the other systems and stops being counted against others? So that another one can move into the top 20%

[crude geode]

with changes in activity it would make things either super barren or super flooded

and have to be adjusted a decent amount of times

[lucid marsh]

Alternatively, a down vote system that is counted independently of up votes can filter out suggestions that people specifically want to not happen, as opposed to ones they have a neutral opinion on

[crude geode]

that's. really not a good idea considering the average calamity player's opinion on certain things

[novel belfry]

yeah theres a reason why downvotes arent a thing

[crude geode]

(nerfing in particular or things they just don't like)

[indigo yacht]

there are 437 new messages in this channel and im not reading any of them, so anyways
#suggestions-posting message this is just saying a bunch of words that don't even make sense and trying to use them as evidence for the actual suggestion which is kind of unrelated

[lucid marsh]

They have been told

And they don't care

[indigo yacht]

incredible

this fanbase is the greatest

[lucid marsh]

It's more like they don't comprehend the issue and think we just don't like their opinion

Also they don't even have experience playing the normal mod, they played a modpack that screws everything up

[indigo yacht]

i have never even used true biome blade nor ark of the elements surely i may be considered unbiased

actually i think i did use ark once

i didn't like it

🔥

[glass arch]

it had to be adjusted every like

month

or so

compared to the current system where it automatically does that

the requirement has always tried to let only the top 20% in

[indigo yacht]

i presume there's always at least one dev who checks on the suggestions, they could probably pick out any good ones that got left behind if the 20% was insufficient

[glass arch]

that dev is most of the time cit

[indigo yacht]

i gotta cit down for this

[golden sonnet]

The suggestion sniper aka the quickfix aka the Citfix

[unborn stream]

random thought, ash grass seeds in stuffed fish?

[golden sonnet]

It seems strange to me, but I guess I don't see anything wrong with it

[unborn stream]

on the one have they're certainly way less useful than all the other drops, on the other hand i think stuffed fish drop every other seed in the game? or nearly at least

wait not astral grass seeds

[golden sonnet]

Or cinder blossom seeds

But like

Those aren't real

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message the part about not knowing the name of it until mining it is probably wrong because metal detector

and hover above it on map also say astral ore i think

[grizzled dome]

it does

And I honestly don't mind the simple name? It's the astral biome, and this is the astral metal. Like... it almost kind of feels like the biome is named after the metal if that makes any sense? (It probably doesn't.)

[indigo yacht]

give it a dumb name like Starfallen Debris so people confuse/conflate it with meld blobs

[umbral gazelle]

Astrallium Ore

Astralite

[indigo yacht]

wait no i got it

[unborn stream]

stardust

[indigo yacht]

Ore

[golden sonnet]

Star ore, or store for short

[unborn stream]

astrun oreus

[golden sonnet]

Make the confusion about what boss let's you mine it even worse

[unborn stream]

wait a minute

[indigo yacht]

what if we just removed the name entirely

no more problems!

[unborn stream]

i just had a brilliant idea

so the astral infection suffers from little reason to go to the underground biome, right

well how do the other hardmode biomes do it? exclusive drops

souls

starblight soot

[indigo yacht]

i dont like where this is going

[unborn stream]

it's too perfect

[indigo yacht]

ok you're going back into the straitjacket

[unborn stream]

[indigo yacht]

mobile terraria brainrot

[errant wren]

rework astrum aureus to be ocram

[unborn stream]

the issue is i could actually see it working if not for the meme lol

[indigo yacht]

objectively an improvement

[errant wren]

man it's been years since i last fought ocram

[indigo yacht]

same because it was horrible

[gilded citrus]

Noh

[unborn stream]

i have never played any terraria version other than pc lol

[errant wren]

years because the one place i had an old version of terraria no longer works

unless you count the 3ds

[gilded citrus]

Yeah its been ages since i could aswell

[sand marlin]

@unborn stream https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Guide_to_Environmental_Preservation

[sand marlin]

Well yeah that is intentional

I wouldn't be surprised if they explicitly made it so Larvae were meant to be very breakable

[unborn stream]

knowing red, probably lol

[sand marlin]

I'm surprised I didn't notice this suggestion while it was on posting nor anybody else from what I could see

[unborn stream]

there was discussion about it

[sand marlin]

Weird I couldn't find anything

Prob just skipped too fast

[golden sonnet]

I talked fairly extensively about it

[median scaffold]

TF2 mentioned

[gilded citrus]

Gods arent absolute in calamity, they can be out done in their element and slime god is a especially weak god

Thats all ill say since this aint #lore-discussion

[unborn stream]

another spitball idea: craftable extractinator?

is it like the only gold chest loot that calamity doesn't make craftable?

[prisma sedge]

That could be nice, honestly

[unborn stream]

would make sense especially with some of the early game accessories being able to be extractinated for materials

[distant gyro]

i added it!!

like a couple months ago

same with the crags and astral seeds

[indigo yacht]

crags have seeds?

oh also suggestion

good but reasoning is too anecdotal i think

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message

eh, you can light up the arena more or use one of the potions that reveal enemy projectiles

[gaunt needle]

One of the (one) potions

[past viper]

The lit up area i found didn‘t help too much, since they can get lost in the background pretty easily. I have not used the potion, i just don‘t think it improves the gameplay a lot when you have to chug a specific potion every time you attempt a boss

[fleet grotto]

does that logic not apply to every potion

[past viper]

In a wider sense yes, but since it was literally only a visual thing and calamity has improved visibility on a lot of projectiles in the past, i thought it‘d be in line with the mod‘s design philosophy

[fleet grotto]

true

i personally always use night owl so i guess in more used to potions being used for visibility

[past viper]

Fair enough, i really only use potions rarely when i don‘t have to

[waxen girder]

Can anyone enlighten me please. I asked probably a few years back if ark of cosmos is ever getting an upgrade. They said now and it was since reworked. Is this still the case with xeroc coming

[frail mantle]

doubtful

[indigo yacht]

neither of those are very effective

the only way is to replace all the walls with something that makes it really easy to pick out the thorns but the that could present problems with the other projectiles

[river wave]

what about a 'disable ads' option in the Mod Config? I find it quite frustrating when something tries to advertise to me unexpectedly, so I would definitely appreciate a way to ensure that the mod only shows status messages that are relevant to the situation in-game.

[fleet grotto]

i have a feeling that, by next update, the status message will be gone anyways, since im 90% sure the yharon plushies are already done

[median scaffold]

Yeah, they're not available to buy, iirc

[river wave]

I'm thinking mostly about whether the devs will want to use this kind of message again in the future, becuase in that case I want to be able to turn it off

[crude geode]

Someone asked for advertisement to be turned off after first viewing if you wanted to try to repost it

[grim tusk]

this was a suggestion some brought up in dev, we got a simple “No”

[sleek turret]

I suggested that actually and YuH said it was intentional for the Yharon (and likely any plushie) ad to have no config

Capitalism and its conseq

[vague bramble]

Maggot plushie better

[humble scarab]

true

[sleek turret]

True

[sand marlin]

People about to make addons to disable needless ad spamming at this point

[fossil finch]

Actually!

[river wave]

I have no idea what the financial situation is for the devs, but this seems a bit sketchy to me. Like, maybe you could add something to the title screen to promote it, similar to minecraft's splash text? I personally feel like ads popping up during the game is a little over the line, even if it is just for a few seconds when you hop into a world.

[violet zephyr]

It is only when you join a world, and it is one line. Easily ignorable, easily forgettable.

[gritty plaza]

The way it waits for a bit to make sure it does't get hidden is a bit scummy

[violet zephyr]

It is a copy paste of the wiki line, which also waits.

[gritty plaza]

Yeah but the wiki line is actually useful

[river wave]

true, and hopefully it stays that way. Still, my perspective is that mods should only use status messages for things that are useful to the player and relevant to the current gameplay.

[sleek turret]

True! and it has a config

[spark ravine]

Move Deep Wounder to post Leviathan and Anahita

The Deep Wounder is a hardmode rogue weapon sold by the Bandit. While it is sold and not crafted, it visually matches the theme of the hardmode Abyss weapons such as the Abyss Blade. It is only sold after defeating the Calamitas Clone, who also used to gate Depth cells and Lumenyl. However, Depth Cells and Lumenyl were recently moved to post Leviathan and Anahita. This weapon is still sold post Calamitas Clone, which puts it in an awkward spot where it matches the aesthetic of a bunch of weapons from an entirely different tier. I suggest tiershifting the Deep Wonder to post Leviathan and Anahita as well to fit in with the rest of the set, and adjusting its stats if necessary to compensate for the tiershift.

This good or nah?

[dense locust]

I feel like this already got suggested at some point and devs said it was intended or something

yeah this

[spark ravine]

aight nvm then

[dense locust]

if anything the suggestion should be to retheme deep wounder so its no longer abyss related

[median scaffold]

Crit, should we revive the "Make Frost Barrier a Rover Drive-like accessory" suggestion?

[dense locust]

I've thought about it

[median scaffold]

What's your opinion on this one, then?

I think this was a good suggestion, because it gives a bad accessory an actual purpose and makes interesting; patches the hole in the "Rover Drive-like" progression; and it wouldn't hurt the balance that much, since the defense damage bug is probably getting fixed not only for the Sponge

[dense locust]

on which one

[median scaffold]

This one specifically
#suggestions-voting message

[dense locust]

yeah, I've thought about that sugg a few times
I'll probably wait until Friday to repost so it has the most amount of time in voting

[novel belfry]

incidentally i remember someone submitted a resprite for the frost barrier that would fit this suggestion a lot

it was rejected, but this appearance would make for a good barrier design

[median scaffold]

Yeah, but I think this would break the SRS rule

[median scaffold]

Maybe it could use a small rewrite?

[dense locust]

mhm

[median scaffold]

I'll do it a little bit later, then

[indigo yacht]

hmm

[waxen girder]

Hey all any comments on my idea? ❤️

[dense locust]

me when sis

[waxen girder]

Love the Ark to bits

[indigo yacht]

i mean I don't think there's anything wrong with it in essence but the problem is that it breaks the specific item suggestion rule

[waxen girder]

What's the rule?

[indigo yacht]

5th in the document

(also the suggestion is way too long but that's just a formatting thing)

[median scaffold]

Tbh, it would be nice to just... suggest a weapon and see its implemented

But at the same time... I see why this is not the case

[waxen girder]

yeah you right

I'll leave it there, and if it gets deleted that's fine

[median scaffold]

It will get deleted

[indigo yacht]

it would be best to remove it prematurely so that other suggestions above it aren't covered up

[waxen girder]

My bad wasn't trying to be rude, I didn't read the rules up till now

[indigo yacht]

just like, copy and paste it to a private server and remove it from this channel

[frail mantle]

the problem is that even if you get actual bangers every now and then you're gonna be flooded with oc donor weapon levels of "tertiary function that involves rubbing your trackpad in the shape of a dodecahedron"

[median scaffold]

...yeah, you should've read them first

[waxen girder]

What's the private server

[indigo yacht]

id recommend making sure that your suggestion follows them (at least as far as you can tell) next time

[indigo yacht]

oh, just generally

i have a server where i put random links and stuff

[median scaffold]

Can I drop a rewrite of mine to be reviewed by people here?

[indigo yacht]

such as the class setups thread for when it inevitably disappears due to inactivity

[frail mantle]

that's fine, recommend that you do in the future so you don't get swarmed by the hawks in here though

[waxen girder]

Yeah is there a way to still submit with more flexibility somehow?

Just in the sense Shimmered ark of cosmos, stops time....

[frail mantle]

not really

[waxen girder]

Alright, understood.

Should I delete it or leave it to mods?

YOu guys

[indigo yacht]

suggestions is usually for like... fixing problems in the game moreso than generally adding cool stuff

[frail mantle]

the best you're getting is honestly probably learning coding and adding it yourself

[indigo yacht]

^

[median scaffold]

I'm getting brutally ignored

Eh, whatever

[indigo yacht]

sometimes these coincide

[median scaffold]

If you really want to, just copy it and delete it

[indigo yacht]

im sorry shuki

[waxen girder]

I did copy

[indigo yacht]

youve already sent some a few times I don't see why it would be a problem now

[waxen girder]

How do donor items work tho?

[frail mantle]

it'll be deleted on its own anyway after 24 hours but if you don't you might get people trickling in after the fact to tell you it's invalid even though you've already been told

[tropic yoke]

Bro what is that lol

[median scaffold]

You pay 50$
You get an item added

Not a thing anymore, tho

[indigo yacht]

right on cue

absolute cinema

[waxen girder]

Oh no more donor items at all?

Guess they had too many requests and work?

[tropic yoke]

I’m stuck in a chair for the next 2 hours so now I talk here

[frail mantle]

if you donated more than 50 dolla until a while ago you were allowed to suggest one (1) item, armor set or critter/npc

[median scaffold]

Pretty much

[frail mantle]

backlog got too big yea

[gritty plaza]

You could suggest whole npcs?

[tropic yoke]

Yeah like uhhhhh

Uhm

[frail mantle]

uhhhhh npc as in enemy i think

i don't actually know why i said npc

[gritty plaza]

oh

[median scaffold]

Okay, time to scare off everybody
Here, an item dedicated for one of the people I've been doing shit with on the Wiki

Counts as wings
Horizontal speed: 15
Acceleration Multiplier: 3
Excellent vertical speed
Flight Time: ∞
Increased defense, life regeneration, jump speed, movement speed, acceleration and deceleration
The wearer can run super fast, auto-jump and walk on liquids
Greater mobility on ice
Debuffs are stronger and longer
All attacks inflict Noxus Fumes
Entropic fairies are spawned while running, exploding upon contacting enemies
Press ▼ Down twice to perform a slam
Dashes transform you into a shadow, allowing to phase through enemies and projectile
Phasing through enemies and projectiles increase damage that quickly depletes
Enemies with high enough health and projectiles with high enough damage cannot be phased through
'Even the Entropic God itself needs a pair of some nice shoes!'

[tropic yoke]

Like the uhhhhh phantom debris

Stop :(

[gritty plaza]

Wait that's just tracers but even more bloated

[frail mantle]

though i'm not sure if there are any donor enemies other than the goldfish warrior

[indigo yacht]

descending dark reference

[gritty plaza]

oh so it is

[median scaffold]

NPCs as in creatures, enemies, etc., but not town NPCs

Those are weirdly different things in Terraria

[tropic yoke]

They’re entities and nothing else similar

[gritty plaza]

Well they're all "characters" and none of 'em are the player, sooo

[median scaffold]

Didn't know Graviton thingy was a Hollow Knight reference............

[tropic yoke]

Code wise goof

[indigo yacht]

it would be if it was good

[median scaffold]

I guess I could add something about its visuals being a reference to HK, but, again, it is a dedicated item

(Really technically, lol)

[tropic yoke]

How did my claymore suggestion get less likes than “add toilets lol”

This says a lot about society

[gritty plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/we-live-in-a-society-society-joker-gamers-rise-up-gang-weed-gif-13919217

[indigo yacht]

They should add m

i forgro

[gritty plaza]

they should add scp-055

[median scaffold]

Explode

Yeah, just that

[whole tundra]

I feel like making a suggestion about fixing the inconsistencies on the ingame mod descriptions

[tropic yoke]

You’re not gonna believe this

[whole tundra]

?

[tropic yoke]

But it’s been suggested before

And accepted before

[whole tundra]

Where?

I tried finding it but I couldn't

That's tooltips

Not the mod description

[tropic yoke]

Oh the mod description mb

[whole tundra]

Talking about this

[tropic yoke]

What’s wrong with it

[whole tundra]

A lot

There's 2200+ items now, 200+ enemies, no mention of VCMM, Master still being excluded, the main music mod saying it isn't required

[tropic yoke]

VCMM?

[whole tundra]

Vanilla Calamity Mod Music

[tropic yoke]

Also 1800+ and 100+ is still correct

[whole tundra]

shush

Going to make a concept post here now

[gritty plaza]

they should change it to 1+ items for futureproofing

[whole tundra]

Posted the suggestion that was here
see #suggestions-posting message

Not really bug-report worthy as it's just not been editted for current patch

[sand marlin]

Could just put it on modmail no?

[whole tundra]

I made a pretty similar post in the past which got in #suggestions-voting and was accepted