suggestions-discussion

[median scaffold]

Lu

[harsh echo]

commission is funny since it implies it's a paid transaction

[median scaffold]

The "commissioning a suggestion" statement is more of a joke, but I would like to make a suggestion about wood armors getting unique set bonuses, similarly to ore armors

[harsh echo]

It's a bit of work I think

[median scaffold]

...like most suggestions?

[oblique otter]

on my way to craft palm wood armor (its set bonus alllows me to float on water)

[gaunt needle]

Make pearlwood armor give immunity to chaos state

That would be funny

(and cool!!!)

[harsh echo]

They're gonna be weak armors with some fun niche

[errant wren]

welcome back fargo's souls enchantments

[harsh echo]

[harsh echo]

true

[median scaffold]

Not really the same. Tin crist don't have AP, nor Platinum enchantment doesn't have overtuned stats

[errant wren]

anyways

[harsh echo]

watch ad for a clue

[errant wren]

wood set bonuses would be... interesting

[oblique otter]

as cool as that sounds

i dont think anyone would

actually chop different kinds of wood

[harsh echo]

Probably would need more defense on top of it because obv

[oblique otter]

just to get 4 defense and a wacky set bonus

just saying

[harsh echo]

The wack factor is the line

[errant wren]

there's no real incentive to going for any of the other woods if ore armor is going to be stronger...

[harsh echo]

Cactus armor is a good option since its bonus is actually useful

[median scaffold]

We love inflicting damage on ourselves to kill others....

[median scaffold]

And at the same time, Acidwood and Monolith with good rogue armor sets:

[harsh echo]

Whar?

[errant wren]

most of the other woods then

[echo leaf]

“bro what the fuck are you doing boreal wood is ass”

[errant wren]

especially if the player isn't aware of the new bonuses

[harsh echo]

bofake wood 😢

[median scaffold]

That's basically most ore armors, besides Platinum and Golden ones??

[errant wren]

fair

[harsh echo]

The player isn't really taught anything

[echo leaf]

“use rich mahogany until ash then necro”

[harsh echo]

cursed

[gaunt needle]

Some player will certainly make something other than plain wood armor, notice it has a funky set bonus and then wonder what the other bonuses do

[harsh echo]

what does rich mahogany do?

[echo leaf]

nothing

[harsh echo]

^

[gaunt needle]

Weaker midas flask

[echo leaf]

If it got a funny set bonus then it needs to be overpowered

flat 10 damage

[harsh echo]

[errant wren]

we need to make plain wood armor viable until providence

[oblique otter]

it already is

[gaunt needle]

Singlehandedly making minishark the meta again

[harsh echo]

Mini shark will always be meta in our hearts.

[median scaffold]

It is A tier, tho

[gaunt needle]

Like SS meta

[median scaffold]

Tbh, more money from enemies early game doesn't sound too bad...

[harsh echo]

SSS meta

[gaunt needle]

Not that mediocre A

[median scaffold]

That's reserved for Slick Cane and Hellborn

[harsh echo]

And Corinth prime :D

[median scaffold]

Only S or SS because best DoG time, iirc

[drowsy plank]

you foooooooooool
#suggestions-voting message

i already tried to do this and it was rejected

though

this was technically before 22 but

i think the opinion on vanilla modifications overall is generally souring, so i doubt it would be very fruitful

[oblique otter]

what was the reason

[drowsy plank]

for rejection?

uhhhh idr

[frail fox]

Damn the suggestion below that one goes hard actually

[drowsy plank]

cycling galaxia attunements?

[frail fox]

Would be nice to have an actual reason to switch between them yeah

[drowsy plank]

i could see it

this is really dumb but

it would be really funny if there was like
a "fresh weapon bonus" a la ultrakill that was literally like a small buff in the buff bar that lasted like 15 seconds that gave boosts right after switching or something

yknow something long those lines

would be pretty easy to implement

[frail fox]

Also don’t have to be direct damage buffs, like Aries could get better range and Phoenix Pride could charge up to max much faster and buff the throw or something

[sand marlin]

Switch bonus on a weapon with charge function

[frail fox]

Yes that’s why I just said what I said since yeah

[drowsy plank]

i mean if you reread the original suggestion gps is referring to

[sand marlin]

You also cannot decide what comes next as it's always on a set order

[drowsy plank]

it suggests giving charge cooldown bonuses on switch

[sand marlin]

Tbh instead of Galaxia just give that to like Nanogun

[drowsy plank]

i mean

i guess i could see it

[frail fox]

Just make a bunch of weapons like reworked Null Pistol so you have a reason to switch modes or something

[drowsy plank]

ture

[frail fox]

I’m ngl I didn’t actually read all the suggestion but it seems obvious that it’d be there so yeah

[gaunt needle]

Add more (and better) debuff weapons so you can "whipstack" as all classes in the game

🥺

[oblique otter]

bad

i want to spam one weapon for the entirety of the game

[drowsy plank]

the return of scab ripper

[median scaffold]

Doesn't mean we can't repost it

[oblique otter]

what if they changed their mind :cluele

[drowsy plank]

this is true

go ahead i guess, you can tweak mine if you want

[median scaffold]

That's called weapon stacking, you fool

[median scaffold]

Sure, I'll see what I can add. Thanks

[gaunt needle]

Debuff maxxing

[median scaffold]

Also fair

[drowsy plank]

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
About this. Uhh.....
I don't know how I feel about it. But would it be really necessary?

[drowsy plank]

not this shit again

[median scaffold]

M'kay, I'm scared

[drowsy plank]

okay @lethal isle here's a better question; why should zenith have more swords in it? it's not like they would show up when you swing it unless you are also saying the caldevs should add all of them to zenith's swings too

[lethal isle]

They could, it just feels kinda out of place for me

[drowsy plank]

im just gonna flag this for now it doesn't have any reasoning

[lethal isle]

I mean looking at it from a standpoint of having the mod being part of the base game, why do you unlock it post Yharon when all the swords come from moon lord and pre moon lord

[drowsy plank]

atm zenith's sort of treated like "red's donor item", so the weird recipe is just a side effect of how red designed it, with auric added to tierlock it

[lethal isle]

Ah that’s actually pretty cool

[median scaffold]

Tbh, Zenith should be nerfed and be putten back to post-ML

[drowsy plank]

otherwise zenith would've needed to be absolutely butchered in terms of dps to be balanced

[lethal isle]

Well thanks for taking the time to hear me out! Yeah that makes sense

[drowsy plank]

np

this was more productive than how these convos usually go lmao

[lethal isle]

Well thanks for not being a dick, seems like every time I get on any social media platform people start harassing me lmao

[gaunt needle]

Red should commission fabsol to add zenith 2 to calamity

[frail mantle]

i think if red wanted a zenith 2 he'd just add it

[errant wren]

Infinity+2

[harsh echo]

Reds donor item is a really good way to put it tbh

[novel belfry]

Why?

why is this weapon of all things considered a “donor item”

it’s recipe is like that because it’s supposed to have vanilla’s many swords at their strongest pre-moon lord (and some moon lord swords too)

as far as I’m concerned, redigit never asked the caldevs to keep the Zenith’s recipe identical except for auric bars

this just feels like they don’t want the zenith to steal the thunder of the exoblade… even though that currently is a lot more interesting than the zenith

[sand marlin]

Why would cal devs change something that fits right in auric tier besides adding auric tesla bars to it anyway

Pretty much seamless

[novel belfry]

the “red’s dedicated item” reason feels more like an insanely contrived excuse that just causes the sword to not have a good recipe

[sand marlin]

Like at most it's gotten a slight bit more damage and pierce resist exemption and that's pretty much it

No need to fix what's not broken

Byeah I'm pretty sure the reason is just "it fits right in auric tier"

[novel belfry]

that’s not what I am talking about

It’s the confusing recipe

Calamity has a bunch of upgrades to many of those swords

[sand marlin]

Oh I wasn't even directing it at you I just had it as a side thing

You're fine

That reasoning is like okay but probably not enough to justify adjusting because it would not be fitting to the weapon so you're fixing one inconsistency to break another consistency basically and ideally just leave it as is if it's the case

[drowsy plank]

are you implying cal should make zenith's recipe "good"? because if i was making it "good" the first thing id do is removed like half of those shitty prehardmode swords. of course, then, it isn't really zenith anymore, is it? it's the pinnacle of vanilla terraria, leaving it as untouched as possible, in my opinion, is a sort of respect to the original game, saying like "hey, look at how this item from base game, which represents the pinnacle of your achievements in the original game, can stand with the best of our items while literally unchanged. isn't that cool?"

the minute you start swapping the swords out for cal swords, it stops being zenith and starts being the umpteenth calamity sword

[novel belfry]

No, all I suggest is literally replace some of the swords with calamity upgrades (terratomere instead of terra blade, the last mourning replacing the horseman’s blade)

[drowsy plank]

i remember a while back i suggested that zenith and terratomere somehow becoming like, a branching tree somehow

i think it was back when terra edge still existed?

[gaunt needle]

Then you would have to change zenith attack animations

[drowsy plank]

like terra blade becomes the zenith line and terra edge became the exo blade line, or something like that

[novel belfry]

I mean, that’s a good concern

[drowsy plank]

that also, which i heard kind of sucks

[sand marlin]

Hey at least Zenith is more optimized than most weapons due to its unique nature

[royal tapir]

real as fuck

[drowsy plank]

i like the "red donor item" angle because otherwise a ton of stuff about zenith would be up to change because right now it's quite literally just "click on something until it dies"

[gaunt needle]

(not a unique trait tbh)

[drowsy plank]

exactly!!!!!!!!

that only proves my point more! at least the way it is right now gives it the angle of being a sort of neat demonstration of just how damn strong the thing is

once you start changing it it just becomes another dumb sword

[sand marlin]

It's also actually fun to keep using in cal as opposed to vanilla because it doesn't obliterate literally everything

[violet zephyr]

Just replace Terratomere in Exo Blade with Zenith. Clearly a good solution

[sand marlin]

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

oh i remember what i did
back when cascade was still cascade i made it so terratomere upgraded into first fractal and then exoblade

and zenith was its own line

it was very silly

[gaunt needle]

Isn't cascade like the pre-hm yoyo?

[novel belfry]

I dunno man, you could also paint updating the sword’s recipe to include upgraded swords as respecting the Zenith’s identity as the culmination of swords

[gaunt needle]

[sand marlin]

Add Final Fractal from You into the mix now

[drowsy plank]

so true

[light prism]

can i ask how or when does a suggestion get seen

and then put up for a votr

[drowsy plank]

it still is, it's just a culmination of vanilla's swords instead of calamity's; and like i said, the more you dig into zenith, the less unique it becomes because then people start suggesting other changes too. the auric bars and going mostly hands off otherwise really just feels like it was the best solution

[sand marlin]

"seen"? Do you mean when it is sent to dev?

[light prism]

yes

[sand marlin]

There's a pin here or in voting explaining how that works but basically top 20% of that batch's suggestions in stars get sent to dev

[light prism]

wondering about the arcane reforge suggestion cuz its had tons of votes for a while now and ones that were sent after it have been voted on

[novel belfry]

that sounds more like the safest solution

[sand marlin]

Probably because its time hasn't come around yet

[gaunt needle]

Actually why does the bot not ping the authors of failed suggestions? Just something like a mass ping to all of them so they know that voting is over

[light prism]

it does doesnt it

[novel belfry]

not to everyone

[sand marlin]

Failed as in ones that don't get sent to dev

[novel belfry]

only those who got their Suggs sent

[gaunt needle]

Ones that got to voting but didn't get enough stars

[sand marlin]

If I'm being honest that sounds like not a good idea

The ones that get sent already get notified. The ones that aren't, are already indicated by that

That really got some high votes huh

[drowsy plank]

yup! not sure what the problem with that is; the last thing calamity needs right now is more tech debt

arcane buff getting fucking 150 votes is hilarious

icicle arrow of 2024

[gaunt needle]

Calamity should do like "the draedon update" and it's just all bug fixes and code refactoring

[sand marlin]

Nah, it's its own thing now

We'll call good suggestions getting the attention they deserve the arcane buff suggestion now

[north oracle]

The draedon update (rewrites the entire mod)

[sand marlin]

Reworked Calamity

[north oracle]

Calamity 3

[novel belfry]

Fair point

[median scaffold]

It is older than 1 week and younger than 2 ones, but suggestions are sent on Fridays, so we will need to wait a few days

[light prism]

ah didnt know they get sent on fridays

thamk you :D

[median scaffold]

At 8 am by GMT+3, I think

Or 9 am, idr
Sometime in the morning, either way

[echo leaf]

Calamity v3.0.0

1 - Removed Calamity. - Done ✅

[hollow shell]

can't even make that joke cuz that actually would be valid, there's an item named that now

[median scaffold]

1 - Reworked Calamity and renamed it to Catalyst. - Done ✅

[hollow shell]

1 - Renamed Calamity item to "Thorium Mod" to prevent confusion. - Done ✅

[crude geode]

Based

[undone cedar]

that would go hard

[harsh echo]

[novel belfry]

Calamity v3.0.0

1 - Calamity changes its name to “Infernum” if Infernum Mode is activated.- Done ✅

[crude geode]

It’s a shame thorium is kinda struggling to catch up amidst the newer mods

[novel belfry]

I just had the funniest idea

[crude geode]

I like a lot of the multiplayer stuff and it’s one of the only mods to take that angle

[harsh echo]

what if we added Thorium to calamity

[north oracle]

What if every content mod was one super content mod

That would be an enjoyable gameplay experience surely

[royal tapir]

[errant wren]

the funny part is that i think someone's actually trying to do that

[echo leaf]

king slime will become a god

I dread the King Slime Megamix

[harsh echo]

Yes

brome iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pAhmpoigQ

[misty lichen]

meaningless

[median scaffold]

I think the problem with those kinds of mod packs is, either the one who is making it thinks Terraria is Minecraft and smashing everything together will be perfect, or it has too much content imo

[harsh echo]

it honestly depends on how its executed

[gaunt needle]

someone should do an expert style terraria modpack where you have to beat bosses from multiple mods at once to gain access to the next tiers

[sand marlin]

Of course this would come around at some point well it's certainly not the mess it would've been some time ago

Morale of the story is working on crossmodding two mods is already a headache don't try to mesh like 5+ of them and expect it to work out

[harsh echo]

ye

[north oracle]

I'm very aware of this
It's likely to be a jumbled mess of conflicting unbalanced content unless they manage to pull in some legitimately incredible game designers

(And most random people that watch a YouTube video and think "I could do that" do not fall into that category)

[misty lichen]

people exclusively there for money also do not fall into that

[errant wren]

to be fair there is a team working on it so we'll know when they're done

assuming they finish

[hollow shell]

Aren't they putting an unusual amount of effort into making lore for the modpack so that everything "makes sense" together

[median scaffold]

The fuck.

[errant wren]

lore? in terraria? that's absurd

there's no such thing

[median scaffold]

On my way to struck you with an art of buffed up Cultist and made up lore for him.....

[errant wren]

wh

what

what does that mean

[median scaffold]

An image with buff Cultist and some lore for it
I can find it if you want to.....

[north oracle]

Yeah everyone that really really likes this doesn't do anything other than writing to know how difficult this will be

[harsh echo]

if so that's some insane dedication

[boreal lichen]

@scarlet musk This might conflict with future plans for the Flak Crabs and the Flak weapon reworks

[scarlet musk]

just sfx????

[boreal lichen]

The first sugg might be fine from being labeled as future content, but for the 2nd one, the Flak weapons already have a rework planned eventually™️ so it might not be accepted

[echo leaf]

holy shit

[harsh echo]

the subreddit may or may not be horny as fuck

[sand marlin]

We should kill all innate scopes actually 🙏

Scope is definitely one of the least useful things you can tack onto a weapon's right click I can say this much. Move them to a different item or something and not just have them permanently occupy your right click (yes I'm aware Sniper Rifle has innate scope in vanilla but it's fine because you wouldn't really put any other keybinds on right click in vanilla anyway, as opposed to cal having a really good option in doubletap override)

[golden sonnet]

I don't like this because it genders the cultist

[scarlet musk]

same

[errant wren]

oh so that's what the threat was about

[novel belfry]

i find this super funny because it shows him as an insanely strong dude, when the Lunatic Cultist in game famously fights like a mage

[distant gyro]

the way cultist is in game right now id probably beat in an arm wrestle

[misty lichen]

the way cultist is in game right now he would spawn an ancient vision before you event start the wrestle

[novel belfry]

gonna be honest though i'd probably take him way more seriously if he happened to be "the strongest man across all lands"

[hollow shell]

Death Master FTW Lunatic Cultist gains a new attack where he just floats right up next to you and decks you in the face

Deals Atlas knockback.

[light birch]

Just rips his sleeves off

[frosty trellis]

Her*

[golden bane]

And ML gains a similar attack where one hand turns into a fist and smacks you dealing 2x atlas knockback

[hollow shell]

from the webcomic "Devil's Candy" check it out it's good

Anyway that's my one (1) allotted daily offtopic image that I definitely get as an admin

about the suggs

More sound effects is always good, I fully approve.

[restive wharf]

Can we make suggestions related to upcoming content?

[light birch]

No

[restive wharf]

Rip

[light birch]

From the suggestion rules document

[restive wharf]

Was about to suggest an idea for a pet for a sunken sea thing

Disappointment

[light birch]

That would likely also fall under "specific item suggestions"

Which is also against the rules

[restive wharf]

Also sad

[median scaffold]

Well, it was inspired by a texture pack that makes him buff

[grim tusk]

i was about to say something about the 2 suggs per day rule

but it apparently doesnt exist anymore

nvm

@scarlet musk try again tomorrow

[scarlet musk]

can i retract certain suggestions i don't care about as much

[grim tusk]

nah just wait some hours

[scarlet musk]

the scope one is dumb and unnecessary

[grim tusk]

or get rid of that one

[scarlet musk]

yeah im gonna get rid of that one, is that fine?

[grim tusk]

yep

[scarlet musk]

can you clear the flag thing then

[grim tusk]

done

[scarlet musk]

thanks

[scarlet musk]

@boreal lichen what do you think of my suggestion >:3ↄ

[boreal lichen]

My brain is fried rn I can't really give good criticisms

[scarlet musk]

okaym

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
So, basically, "it would be cool if it was added"?

#suggestions-posting message
@scarlet musk, just to be sure, did you get the permission of the donor? (if it is possible)

And the rocket suggestion also feels too SRS...

[scarlet musk]

i think they would improve the weapon and make it more fun

[umbral gazelle]

i used ouija board to contact the keelhaul donor and i still cant contact them 😟

[scarlet musk]

i mean i could try????? but these are really minor changes.

[scarlet musk]

the tile one??

also sorry for pinging you a bunch i didn't really think abt it

[median scaffold]

The Scoarched Earth one

[scarlet musk]

all of them

are the scorched earth one

did you mean the whole suggestion?

[median scaffold]

Scorched Earth is not a weapon dropped or connected to the Flak Crab, as far as I remember

[scarlet musk]

oh sorry i forgot what SRS was it didn't register

[scarlet musk]

????

these aren't reworks these are just really minor changes

no major graphical changes or anything like that other than a puff of smoke, just a simple velocity and homing tweak with a bit of sfx stuff and a tile interaction change

[median scaffold]

Firstly, as far as I know, you still need a permission of the donor to make a suggestion about their weapon, even if it just some tweaks here and there
Secondly, this is still too SRS, in my opinion. Has no real reasons why it should be added and ask for too specific things

[steep patrol]

I wouldn't call adjust the projectile a small change. for small change like damage or use time should be suggested in balancing channel also this weapon is dedicated content

[median scaffold]

Oh god, this thing is loud

[scarlet musk]

yeah i mentioned that

[scarlet musk]

is it that bad to make an aesthetic suggestion

[steep patrol]

"dedicated content"

[scarlet musk]

i read your message man im getting to it

[median scaffold]

Not really, but, again, it is dedicated content (you need a permission) and you have 5 pretty much separate changes (3 gameplay ones and 2 visual ones) in one suggestion

[steep patrol]

How many rule will I break if I suggest adding Animus back into the game

[scarlet musk]

not addressing the dedicated content part, i guess i don't really see how minor changes to homing and velocity would have that huge of an impact on the suggestion

i mean the rocket literally has an entire animation for opening up

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/images/0/0d/Fuel-air_Rocket.gif

[median scaffold]

Readdition of the content, joke suggestions, dedicated content (iirc)... uhh, that's probably it

[light birch]

Still a rework, even if a minor one

[steep patrol]

You know you can launch missile with thing like slingshot before they start accelerating themself

[scarlet musk]

no idea if this is the same person but their last messages here were in 2019

[median scaffold]

What

[light birch]

What?

[scarlet musk]

irl

[light birch]

What does this have to do with ANYTHING?

[median scaffold]

Oh, right

[light birch]

Ah

That makes sense

[scarlet musk]

can i speak with my lawyer (wait for rover to get here lol)

lets see which ones i could omit

3 isn't important to the suggestion

[median scaffold]

We can summon Cog, I think

[scarlet musk]

sure

2 and 4 actually affect the weapon itself so they're more debatable, but i think 1 and 5 are both fine

[steep patrol]

5 definitely not fine without permission

[scarlet musk]

1 i definitely want because its really simple and would add to the weapon without a lot of work

[scarlet musk]

why? /gq it seems like such a simple change

[median scaffold]

5 is just... use Celebration MK II at this point

[steep patrol]

Again simple change but it's dedicated content

[median scaffold]

It affects the gameplay of the weapon

[scarlet musk]

ok we can omit 5

done

im willing to omit 3 if i have to but i think its fine

[steep patrol]

Rocket engine generate smoke?

[scarlet musk]

yeah

[median scaffold]

I think so

[scarlet musk]

heres the weapon its based on

[steep patrol]

Is it launch with primer or the rocket fuel itself

[scarlet musk]

why does that matter /gq

[median scaffold]

Okay, the reason of "it'll make the weapon feel more impactful" is at least somewhat valid, I think, but is there anything else just to back it up?

[scarlet musk]

which one? 3 still?

[median scaffold]

Pretty much all of those

[scarlet musk]

wdym anything else to back it up, like to you want me to give a reason for each

[median scaffold]

Not for each, but for the suggestion as a whole

[scarlet musk]

i guess i don't really know what to say other than it would make it more fun to use

the suggestion is less on the "change this weapon completely" side and more "these few small changes would make it cooler and better"

(obviously subjective)

also im curious about what happens if i contact the donor and they're like "yeah this all seems cool do it"

like does it just automatically get in the game or

not counting on that lol but im just wondering

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/images/0/0d/Fuel-air_Rocket.gif

but yeah the rocket literally has a whole cool animation for opening up before firing, so why not give it a little spotlight yk?

i'd be fine cutting it down to 1 and 3 if making a change to the rockets like that ends up being completely off the table, but i still think they would be good changes and i wanna wait for other opinions

[light birch]

Getting permission doesn't guarantee implementation, you just need it to make the suggestion since it's their item

At least that's my understanding of it

[median scaffold]

Pretty much

[scarlet musk]

what about items like triactis'

[median scaffold]

You need the permission of Triactis
But if you or anyone else can't contant the dedicated long enough, I think you can still make a suggestion about their item

[scarlet musk]

did they get permission?

[median scaffold]

Who?

[scarlet musk]

also whats the limit, or is it just arbitrary

[scarlet musk]

from triactis

the weapon is being reworked

[light birch]

Who is they

[median scaffold]

The devs?

[scarlet musk]

do the devs follow the same rule or are they exempt

[median scaffold]

They follow the same rule

[scarlet musk]

then this

[median scaffold]

But, as far as I know, Triactis was absent for a pretty long time as of right now

[median scaffold]

Arbitrary, so it'll be better to ask one of the mods (probably Cog again) to try to contact the donor

[median scaffold]

@scarlet musk
I think the last suggestion is perfectly fine, but you can't do more than 2 in a day, sadly

[steep patrol]

timezone

[median scaffold]

Timezones

[deft junco]

Its 4:12pm for me...

[scarlet musk]

from my pov i've posted only two yesterday and one today

the rule isn't specific enough so its fine

[median scaffold]

The first one was posted at 2:54AM (timezone)
The second one was posted at 7:52AM
And the last one was posted at 11:05AM
All of them were posted today

[median scaffold]

please limit yourself to 2 suggestions per 24-hour period

[scarlet musk]

your timezone isn't any more or less valid than mine lol

respectfully

[median scaffold]

I'm sorry, but

[scarlet musk]

what are you quoting

[scarlet musk]

alright sure

[median scaffold]

@hard moon
From 2.0.4.001:

Powerful slash now heals for 4% of damage dealt on hit.

[hard moon]

Not powerful slash, just true melee in general with exoblade

[boreal shale]

i will never understand why calamty devs are reworking a fargillion weapons and not making the yharon sprite good and consistent in quality with other sprites

[median scaffold]

They are, iirc

[hard moon]

I agree

[sand marlin]

That's a bit pointless if I'm being honest

You aren't like, going to hit SCal with its true melee normally, you'd hit it only with the dash in most occasions

[hard moon]

The exoblade is actually a pretty big sword

[median scaffold]

...sure, and you have powerful slashes

[sand marlin]

This is a nothingburger statement

[sand marlin]

And SCal zones you quite far

[boreal shale]

that is just objectively correct

[hard moon]

The little things that scal spawns, or the work

*worm

[sand marlin]

You can't lifesteal from boss minions anyway

Nor worm body segments

Also you don't deal damage to the worm

[boreal shale]

that is a personal complaint made out of boredom and slight annoyance statement

[hard moon]

It’s 1 damage

[boreal shale]

kinda

[hard moon]

Damage is damage

[sand marlin]

Sorry but that's not good enough please think of a good reason as to why this'd be necessary

[sand marlin]

You should maybe first know how things work and still continue to respect it because you're acting like yharon resprite can go any faster

[median scaffold]

If we are talking about consistency issues, bring back Frostburn and On Fire! (Flarefrost Blade) and on-hit explosion (Anarchy Blade) ||/j||

[hard moon]

It would probably have the most significance for nameless deity although that’s not in base calamity so idk

[sand marlin]

[median scaffold]

Please, don't bring addons into discussion about improving base Calamity

[hard moon]

Ok

[median scaffold]

Thanks

[frozen hornet]

Me when the person working on the resprite is different from the person working on the weapons

[hard moon]

I really wish they’d resprite my chicken nugget boi

[frozen hornet]

They are

My brother in christ

[hard moon]

YES

[frozen hornet]

how do you not know this

[sand marlin]

Dev: Working on Yharon resprite
Rando: "Hey why are you working on weapons instead of continuing yharon resprite grr"

[median scaffold]

The only dev of Calamity is Fab, wtfdym.....

[frozen hornet]

John fabsol calamity

Sole calamity dev

[boreal shale]

i know nothing about art but i can assume it doesnt take 3 years to make a set of sprites for a boss

[north oracle]

Reminder that this is a suggestions channel, and yharon's resprite has nothing to do with the actual suggestions posted

[frozen hornet]

it hasn't been a year since enamoured started animating

[prisma sedge]

Very good point, our wormy overlord

[sand marlin]

Fluffy they just called your bast statue wormy........

[median scaffold]

Actually, Fluffy, can you help Crow a little bit?
Do you have a contact or know how to contact Safi (the donor behind Scorched Earth), perhaps?

[umbral gazelle]

iirc you can dm staff mail since i was told to do the same

and yes it worked, i can contact the donor, alas they are inactive

[echo leaf]

Exoblade should be removed from the game

[royal tapir]

Exoblade heals you on the powered swing

This suggestion lies

[spice stream]

yharon wouldn’t lie!

[light birch]

Exoblade should have its sprite inverted

[light birch]

I meant on the x-axis but that works too

Actually looks really cool though

[patent marsh]

the oxelebda

[patent marsh]

edalboxE

[crude geode]

Holy shit exoblade with the negative dye

[gaunt needle]

Exoguitar

[glass arch]

that looks way too cursed

what the fuck

[scarlet musk]

ok now that people are actually awake, what do yall think of my scorched earth suggestion

#suggestions-posting message

[prisma sedge]

I like it, the changes feel small enough on their own to not complicate the overall design of the weapon too much

[errant wren]

it feels like a lot, somehow

it's not presented how i would do so, but i can't really say much

[drowsy plank]

@neat path you cant make suggestions to add new bosses

wouldnt it be easier to just have the mech bosses, aureus, and PBG related to it instead?

[neat path]

why is adding bosses not allowed?

[drowsy plank]

excessive work

also cal just isnt adding more bosses

except yharim this is like the #1 thing it is never going to do

[neat path]

thats kinda weird

I dont think making the mech bosses related to it would work because you would change the way to summon an iconic boss from just some iron and souls to a very complicated method

the only good way I can think of is adding something new not changing how something old works

[gilded citrus]

Calamity has a lot of bosses, adding to it is unnecessary for what they want to do

[neat path]

I think most people play the mod for the bosses

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, and calamity has a ton of plans for future content and reworking old content, adding more bosses would just take time and effort away from those things

Some bosses especially need a lot of work, it would be better to turn the problem bosses into actually good bosses instead of just adding more

[gilded citrus]

And calamity plans on adding more then that, it plans in having a lot more then just boss content

Also iirc fabsol is the only boss coder or there is t many more

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, It's mostly fab and some changes from xyk recently iirc

[hollow verge]

fabsol is the only boss coder yeah

for better or worse

[neat path]

could probably ask the infernum guys for help but oh well

I cant think of anything else to fix the schematic progression

[hollow verge]

that guy is making wotg

[golden sonnet]

Like xyk did the new SCal stuff

[hollow verge]

also fabsol doesnt like infernums design so i dont think he'd be interested

[golden sonnet]

Most of the infernum team is devs who left the calamity team due to disagreements, and infernum has a drastically different design philosophy

So there is unlikely to be major contributions, although the teams are still on good terms and work together to ensure a smooth addon experience among other things

[hollow shell]

Plaguebringer Goliath
and/or
Astrum Aureus.

Both were canonically created by Draedon in the mod's lore, so they would not be out of place at all requiring something from the labs or Codebreaker,
and they're Calamity bosses so we wouldn't be messing with established vanilla requirements.

[neat path]

yeah but neither of those are before wall of flesh

but I guess that can work ?

I deleted the suggestion so you can talk about it with the devs or something

[hollow shell]

It would be nice to introduce players to it earlier, indeed

But it would have to be something unrelated to bosses.. unless we get creative

[neat path]

I literally cant think of anything but bosses

or maybe new areas but haha

you dont want to work on bosses so imagine areas

[drowsy plank]

yes that is the idea; force players to interact with calamity systems

if the mod never chooses to interfere with how it handles vanilla bosses then it's going to continue to feel like there's calamity progress and vanilla progress and the two just sort of exist in parallel

[neat path]

just change how you summon those two bosses like you said

cant see any problem with that idea

[neat path]

should probably do it with calamity bosses

its more safe

[hollow shell]

Adding something to those two would definitely be a good start, yeah

[neat path]

dont think anyone would dislike that

[hollow shell]

A similar convo to this happened a few weeks ago, was a suggestion made about this already?

[neat path]

if not I guess I can rewrite a suggestion

[drowsy plank]

fair, but i really do think cal is going to need to get over the "but it's vanilla"-isms at some point, because we already do that for a lot of stuff, but for some reason bosses get to be the exception to that rule

i suppose it's most cause there's a lack of a guiding hand inside of the game rn

[neat path]

personally I dont mind it but you know how people are

when the hardmode ores got changed a lot of people were like noo this is so bad but its literally objectively better

like the way they work in the base game is kinda stupid you just go straight to the strongest material

also I think making the bosses mentioned require the schematics is very easy to do so thats nice

[scarlet musk]

hey sorry this isn't related specifically to that, but could you look over my scorched earth suggestion rq

[hollow shell]

I don't see one, so
Ripe for the posting

[neat path]

alright I will write it

[hollow shell]

It's not ideal to list several separate suggestions within one post, because then it's more difficult for users to vote on
What if they agree with one idea but not the other(s)?

[scarlet musk]

i had already posted a suggestion that day but yeah

[drowsy plank]

i think all the points in that sugg are fine since they're all related to one item

[hollow shell]

You have two suggestions in there which are purely audiovisual so won't affect the weapon's practical performance,
but your other two affect the weapon's behavior, which will have some effect on the balance (especially the homing one)

[drowsy plank]

though if it fails you could separate them

[scarlet musk]

i would consider removing the homing tweak if it was a problem

do you think its fine otherwise??

[hollow shell]

New sugg looks good hamza 👍

[hollow shell]

I do agree with your points actually, I feel like they would improve the feeling of the weapon

[drowsy plank]

i think you should include the fact that the plague schematic is found in the same lab where pbg was made, so it's even more thematic with that angle

[hollow shell]

My concern is only in how they're bundled together.
Individually, they're fine

[neat path]

how do the devs take those suggestions is it the most votes or if the devs like it or not

[hollow shell]

Both

[neat path]

alright

[drowsy plank]

it's the top 20% of voting for that week that get forwarded

[hollow shell]

The votes in #suggestions-voting determine which suggestions get sent to the dev server for evaluation,
then the devs officially decide if they like the suggestion or not, and that decision is forwarded back here

[neat path]

will I be @ when the voting is finished or nah

because Im never in this server

[scarlet musk]

should i turn 1 & 3 and 2 & 4 into seperate suggestions or

i mean i had another suggestion i wanted to make so its kinda annoying but if i have to wait i guess i can

[hollow shell]

Yep, you will

[scarlet musk]

i was gonna post this

Give The Hive a spread indicator like the Coral Spout
Makes sense for a high tech weapon, would look cool, and would be genuinely useful. Maybe the length of the cone increases as the angle decreases to give you a sense of the distance the missiles will travel.

[neat path]

alright then we will see what happens

[scarlet musk]

maybe i can just edit the original scorched earth suggestion to be 1 & 3, and then post 2 & 4 and the Hive one today for the 2 suggestions per day rule

[hollow shell]

Question
Have you gotten in contact with the Patreon donor for Scorched Earth

[scarlet musk]

as far as i can possibly tell they haven't posted since 2019

[drowsy plank]

they never asked me for an ID so if they did it was on their own accord

also it doesnt mean you shouldnt contact them

[scarlet musk]

so...?

/gq

also rover i split the suggestions into two so are they good to go?

[drowsy plank]

if you want the user ID you can ask me or via modmail (which will probably be faster bc im going to eat soon) and then contact the donor

[hollow shell]

@keen turtle How do you feel about both Scorched Earth suggestions in the #suggestions-posting channel?
It's your donor weapon so we want your approval

(Time will tell if they respond)

For the time being I will put exclamations on both of them, because for Patreon donor weapons, their approval is required

Save their text somewhere if you're worried about their deletion

[scarlet musk]

ok

[keen turtle]

I do like and agree with this! I too always thought it sounded odd to hear the firing sound once per volley, but I had always been under the assumption that it was simply just how you implemented sound to projectiles. Some back blast smoke would also look nice aswell!

[thorn talon]

Guys is there already reaper tooth necklace suggestions ?

[hollow shell]

Ah good!
And what about the second one, with the homing and speed adjustments?

[scarlet musk]

#suggestions-posting message

this one :)

[hollow shell]

What about it?

[scarlet musk]

well the first one's cleared to go

[hollow shell]

indeed yep

[scarlet musk]

i hope they respond to the second one..

[keen turtle]

Sorry! I had taken a shower

[scarlet musk]

thats okay-

[keen turtle]

I do agree with the speed and homing idea, in my head, I always imagined the flight pattern of the rockets to have a more minor homing ability to make them feel more weighty, as a result, even while they can home, it would still be very plausible to miss entirely. Though it is a nice feature for them to be able to turn around to try again, albeit they lose a lot of their speed to compensate.

[scarlet musk]

thank you so much! one last thing, do you think they should collide with tiles? that was originally part of the suggestion but i had removed it. do you think it should stay?

i thought it would make it more fun to use since you can make use of the aoe to hit enemies you had missed originally

especially since it has a lot of flaming shrapnel etc.

[keen turtle]

Should they have tile collision? That'd be awesome and definitely make the sub-munitions more effective.

Additionally, is it plausible to add Rocket II & IV's tile destruction when using those respective rocket types? If not I completely understand

Or maybe it does and I've never actually tried myself

[hollow shell]

(Do they not collide with tiles currently?)

[scarlet musk]

they do not

i think they should

[keen turtle]

Nah, they pass through everything until they hit a creature

[hollow shell]

That's quite strange, huh

[scarlet musk]

its probably just a product of 'old calamity' weapon design

[hollow shell]

Alright I've removed the exclam from the second suggestion

But you may want to add an intro bit to that one too

[scarlet musk]

i added that to the suggestion

[scarlet musk]

done!

[hollow shell]

Definitely not, Scorched Earth is very new.
Added in the same update as the reworked Ark of the Cosmos / Biome Blade line.

[scarlet musk]

thank you so much again, i was really worried i wouldn't be able to contact you so i really appreciate it <3

[scarlet musk]

oh wow i didn't know

i thought it was a lot older

ok so how do suggestions go to voting again?

[hollow shell]

Thanks, although you should treat your two suggestions like separate entities,
i.e. remove the mention of the prior suggestion

Because they can get sent to the devs individually and they will not have the context of the other

[hollow shell]

Automatic, after they sit in #suggestions-posting for exactly 24 hours.

[scarlet musk]

sick :)ↄ

[hollow shell]

(You technically violated the two suggs per day rule because you jumped the gun an hour early, but I won't kick up a fuss about that)

[scarlet musk]

thank you..

[keen turtle]

No worries! I always have my notifications open to anyone who tags me so I'll see it eventually if I'm not sleeping!

In the future, should you not hear from me for an extended period, I give my full consent to any suggestions/changes being proposed about my item!

[hollow shell]

👍
Also the intro looks better, thank you

[scarlet musk]

<3

[scarlet musk]

sick!

oops said that twice

[hollow shell]

Oh, open permission from here on out?

Don't need to contact?

[keen turtle]

Contact would be nice first, but if the attempts are unsuccessful after a prolonged time you guys deem reasonable, you have my consent to any changes to help avoid waiting any longer!

[hollow shell]

Gotcha 👍
I will note this down

[errant wren]

this would be like the one potential exception to the contact rule

[hollow shell]

Surprisingly I think you're the first person to grant universal consent like this
Maybe one other person has that I'm forgetting

yeah

[keen turtle]

You guys do such awesome work, I'd hate be a reason to slow you guys down! Anything that helps you guys and keep things flowing I'm all for!

[hollow shell]

:D

[scarlet musk]

:)ↄ

[pastel crow]

:(

Evil

[keen turtle]

An additional thing you can note if it helps with contact, I keep my work hours in my discord bio (6:00 AM - 4:00 PM GMT-4 )

[whole tundra]

I should donate 50 dollars on patreon and ask a painting of Kirby in return

On a serious note, the mod desperately needs more paintings

[hollow shell]

Shouldn't matter much, we'd wait 24 hours

[hollow shell]

CalVal migration?

[whole tundra]

Idrk. Atleast more than 1 painting which chances are that several players have never seen would do the job

Paintings such as Ilmeris would be rlly cool to see

I will probably write a full fletched suggestion when I wake up and being back from school

[keen turtle]

Ah alrighty, I'll definitely be able to respond by then!

[hollow shell]

Ilmeris?

shit that's a lore name isn't it

[errant wren]

the...

sunken sea i think

yeah the kingdom

[hollow shell]

Makes sense

[errant wren]

i'm 99 percent sure ilmeris is the kingdom that was in the sunken sea

i could be completely wrong

[novel belfry]

you're not wrong

[hollow shell]

Yes it's on the lore page I just looked it up

cool

[errant wren]

i was right

[hollow shell]

Yes paintings of past stuff in the lore is a good realm to explore

Help convey what was lost, n shit

[whole tundra]

Wait I'm going to make a concept post here and then go to bed as it's almost 1am here while letting you critisize and all that

[idle dagger]

I have a feeling you mean to buff it, but what do you exactly mean

[echo leaf]

Maybe making a required/semi-required boss drop something that hints at "hey go fucking do this, dumbass"

[hollow shell]

(They changed their mind, in another channel)

[idle dagger]

Ah I see

[echo leaf]

I have no ideas for what that could be, unfortunately, but uhh

👍

[whole tundra]

Add more paintings

Terraria has a ton of paintings. They're able to be found in alot of places and can also be bought. Yet Calamity only adds one painting, chances are you don't even know about it aswell.

Adding more paintings is useful for builders, but can also be a way to communicate lore to the player with. There can be paintings of locations like Ilmeris prior to the Incineration, Permafrost years ago and more. Paintings of landscapes as they are now (sulpgurous sea for example) or entities would also be useful for builders.
They could be obtained in numerous ways, just like in vanilla.

Anyways, good night

[idle dagger]

So based

I’m gonna make a suggestion shortly relates to putrid scent

[echo leaf]

it'd be weird for Aureus to drop an entire laboratory worth of stuff, plus those who're unaware of it may not know to fight aureus at all (or some skip it)

[idle dagger]

Just gotta write it up

[hollow shell]

A boss dropping a Lab Locator maybe? (the usable shooty spinning top things)

[hollow shell]

Looks good 👍

[echo leaf]

Good idea! Maybe it's an empty one, so players will then take it to Guide and see "oh there are six labs to explore"

[hollow shell]

Yeah perhaps so

[echo leaf]

The mechs might be a good place to put them

They were made by Draedon and it is required vanilla progression so many would know to fight them

Plus their spawns just drop at random

[idle dagger]

One thing about the labs is that the planetoid lab is definitely the one most players will find first, or potentially the only one they find at all

[hollow shell]

Or if you wanna get em in really early, EoC
just as a pure gameplay thing regardless of lore/fittingness

[idle dagger]

However, it’s not the first in the order of labs

[errant wren]

desert scourge coughing up random draedon lab stuff would be funny

[idle dagger]

The sunken sea one is

[hollow shell]

Actually yeah considering the Sunken Sea lab is the first one, DS dropping the locator for that specifically wouldn't be bad

He ate it at some point, who cares

[echo leaf]

maybe making him cough up some sussy scrap too can sell the point of "he ate something he shouldn't have"

[idle dagger]

That sounds pretty reasonable, I think that could world quite well

[errant wren]

move the draedon lab higher up towards the desert, then take a bite out of it

[echo leaf]

It'll also be something to throw at Guide so players like, actually realize there's a ton of stuff made with it

[grim tusk]

Hmm yes, very nice

Now who’s gonna sprite em

[errant wren]

where's that meme...

[echo leaf]

the children in my basement

[hollow shell]

Art server contest 👀

[idle dagger]

Ooo

[echo leaf]

i'll outsource the work to some dubious company

[idle dagger]

A content goes pretty hard

contest**

[keen turtle]

What about paintings of not necessarily Calamity's lore, but development progress?

Put a long painting of the DoG sprite reworks over the years but in the style of the Ape -> Human evolution chain (Might look better as something like a holopanel in a Draedon base as if to show the development progress of DoG's armor and past sprites could almost be like "failed attempts" before the actual armor was finalized)

[hollow shell]

HAH

[echo leaf]

longest painting in the game (and it keeps getting longer)

[hollow shell]

The ape human evo comparison is great

Not a bad idea although even with the "prior iterations" justification, it might be hard to justify with DoG's upcoming uhh
size increase
and anatomy change

Not a euphemism.

[hollow shell]

A like, 16 tile long painting would be so funny

[gilded citrus]

Would Indeed be silly

[echo leaf]

In order for there to be any amount of detail, it'll need to be way bigger

[hollow shell]

mm

[echo leaf]

Which adds to the silliness

[gilded citrus]

500 tile big painting

[novel belfry]

if we are to be realistic, i think JUST the head would work

i mean, that's pretty iconic

[hollow shell]

Make it come in a bunch of pieces that you have to place next to each other to get the complete picture
And scatter them all around the Distortion when that comes out

[gilded citrus]

Pfft

[novel belfry]

thats good

[harsh echo]

Fun

[echo leaf]

I love it

[keen turtle]

It's just a thought and DoG was the best thing in my head as an example, a lot of sprites have changed over time, it would be a neat way to showcase how somethings used to look in the mod

[hollow shell]

indeed indeed

[keen turtle]

Secret LORDE painting but it's just a picture frame with the googly eyes

[errant wren]

"One time, Lord Yharim took a hit of the Vulnerability Hex..."

[novel belfry]

the implication of this statement is that Vulnerability Hex is a drug

[errant wren]

"One time, Lord Yharim lit his blunt with some Vulnerability Hex..."

i realized too late

[harsh echo]

I thought that was intentional

[keen turtle]

"Yharon this isn't weed"

[errant wren]

"Yharon the Auric Soul was laced‼️"

[idle dagger]

Had a tricky time trying to figure out how to get this one across but this should be good enough

[novel belfry]

speaking of which, I'm pretty sure Calamity even buffs the Flesh Knuckles to get +45 max HP, which is insane

Putrid Scent gets NOTHING

[idle dagger]

yes

I think the idea is flesh knuckles gets 2 defensive stats while putrid scent gets 2 offensive ones

[novel belfry]

don't mind me if i repost my sugg as well

[idle dagger]

45 HP 8 Def
5% damage 5% crit

I definitely think that putrid scent should probably be buffed to 7%/7% at least

Didn't want to include that in the suggestion though since that's more balanced focused

[idle dagger]

Go ahead

Why was it 45 health btw

Why wasn't it just 50, or even 40 lmao

[novel belfry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[distant gyro]

fair enough. lets make it 47 instead

[echo leaf]

Flesh Knuckles becomes 46, Berserker Glove becomes 47, and Hero's Shield becomes 48

[novel belfry]

47?!?!??

[distant gyro]

53 for heros shield

[echo leaf]

just make the health bonus random

that way it'll make everyone happy :)

[distant gyro]

plague reaper recipes move

21 and 29 instead of 20 and 30

[scarlet musk]

i need pre hardmode launchers in calamity so bad...

i guess they wouldn't have to actually use rockets but i want like one or two launcher-style weapons that i could use pre-hm

[harsh echo]

there are ranger weapons that use special ammos that could count

[scarlet musk]

like a spore mortar weapon from the jungle or crabulon, which could burst in mid air and drop stuff down on enemies, or a sticky sludge grenade launcher from slime god

idk

[scarlet musk]

which ones

i got pumpler already

[hollow shell]

Pumpler is your closest bet by far yeah

[misty lichen]

pumpler now uses grenades as ammo

[hollow shell]

Coral Cannon is an ehhh maybe

And I don't think there's any else.

[scarlet musk]

im routing out a launcher only run in my head and i'd have to beat aqua scourge with pumpler :(

not impossible but

[novel belfry]

unfortunately that coral cannon is going kaput next update

[scarlet musk]

ugh...

[scarlet musk]

i know its kinda SIS but what do yall think of these

[hollow shell]

RIP (good riddance )

[misty lichen]

idk but i think fungicide is so fucking boring

[scarlet musk]

i don't really care about the spore one that much but i honestly just want a launcher-style weapon in mid-prehardmode

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, the first one sounds pretty cool!

[hollow shell]

uhh they're fine I guess
If anything there should probably be a Spark Spreader equivalent, a really early game one without specific theming

[scarlet musk]

yeah i was thinking a scrap launcher but pumpler is in the same area as spark spreader

scrap launcher could still work, maybe it could split into bouncing shrapnel when it impacts or smth lol

[hollow shell]

wait Spore Knife is getting re-added?

[scarlet musk]

as a rogue weapon

the big three i care about are
early prehm (pumpler has this covered but ig there could be another),
mid prehm (some kind of spore missle launcher from jungle or crabulon, an exploding skull launcher made from hellstone and other hell materials, etc.), and
late prehm (some sort of slime god sticky bomb launcher comes to mind)

the only problem is i can't really think of any necessity for these to be added. obviously i want them for a launcher only run but thats not really a valid reason by itself

[scarlet musk]

can you think of any reason any of these could be added

[misty lichen]

not really no

[hollow shell]

It'll be a hard sell
Because the primary reason would be making a subclass playthrough possible/easier, which isn't a valid reason to us.

[scarlet musk]

right

maybe a queen bee launcher?

this is tough

[echo leaf]

hon-nukes...

[scarlet musk]

a skeletron launcher? shoots skulls and uses bones? i need to think more

[misty lichen]

stretching kinda hard

[hollow shell]

The theming is not as important as the reason to exist

[scarlet musk]

i know i know

[hollow shell]

.. Does ranger lack for crowd control options at any point in PreHM?

Considering launchers are all about explosions

[scarlet musk]

right

[hollow shell]

It wouldn't be in pre-boss cuz of Grenades being ranged weapons now

[boreal lichen]

I heard from Xyk that if The Pack can be reworked, it's gonna get retiered to be a marnite launcher with unlimited ammo

[hollow shell]

The Pack??
That's quite the retier

[echo leaf]

More Marnite is always a treat

[scarlet musk]

maybe gunk shot could be reworked into a launcher. could i argue that the aoe is more helpful on the wall of flesh?

maybe it could launch a spread of sticky grenades

guh its so hard to not do SRS/SIS... i have too many ideas lol

[boreal lichen]

I also heard the Statigel set might have already gotten reworked (at least the Gelitic Blade)

[scarlet musk]

yeah there isn't much aoe at slime god tier (as far as i can tell from a quick scan of the wiki)

ok so if i were to suggest that gunk shot be reworked into a grenade launcher-shotgun type deal, i have these points:

• There aren't many aoe ranged weapons at this tier
• aoe is really helpful against WoF

[idle dagger]

Ngl one thing i’m honestly not sure about is what an upgrade to putrid scent would even do
What it would combine with

Inverse paladin’s shield where it spreads damage to allies

[scarlet musk]

is this still too SRS? what would it even use as ammunition? nothing? slime blocks?

[novel belfry]

what

thats pretty extreme

[hollow shell]

Actually kinda genius

[echo leaf]

accessory dupe to instantly kill them

[hollow shell]

Considering with the aggro reduction and damage increase, it's ostensibly meant to be used by the glass cannon, someone without much survivability

[scarlet musk]

rover do you think this is enough to post (written out), or do i need better points

[hollow shell]

First of all you gotta wait 4 more hours

[scarlet musk]

i know that but i still wanna write smth out

[hollow shell]

Those points are fine.. if you're able to write them convincingly enough, with enough reason to stand on their own without the ulterior motive of adding more launchers.

[scarlet musk]

bet

[scarlet musk]

if you get killed by day empress of light do all your allies instantly die

[olive saddle]

i mildly fuck with the idea of a massive team boost but your allies take damage too but thats wayy too specific and calamity doesnt want to add more multiplayer accessories

[frozen hornet]

Who says they don't want to

[idle dagger]

Well in Calamity she doesn’t one shot

[scarlet musk]

oh lol

[olive saddle]

i made a suggestion about it and it got denied

brap

[idle dagger]

Hmm

[violet zephyr]

As a Rogue weapon, yes.

#calamity-update-talk message

[hollow shell]

I sees

knife bomb

[light birch]

bomb knife

[scarlet musk]

Rework Gunk Shot into an AoE weapon

• AoE is extremely helpful against the WoF, and there aren't many AoE weapons post Slime God. Having an additional weapon with large aoe and high knockback to help deal with the Hungries as well as bleed into the boss itself would fill a really helpful niche at this stage.
• Gunk Shot is a pretty nonunique weapon compared to other weapons at this tier, functioning as just another shotgun without any other effects whatsoever, with other weapons functioning similarly. It could be reworked into a grenade launcher or sticky bomb launcher, perhaps shooting a spread of sludge grenades. maybe they could stick to the enemy with a delay before detonating
• As for ammo, it could be ammoless, or maybe use slime blocks as ammo. It could have a special ammo type bought from the arms dealer while holding it, or crafted from purified gel.

Is this good so far? should i add anything?

[fresh loom]

buff magic as a class it is the worst out of the 4 (including rogue in this) BY FAR like when you think what class your going to do mage NEVER crosses your mind imo

[drowsy plank]

this is true but that's way too wide of a scope for a suggestion and would also be better for #1178515062030348308

regardless im sure The Mage Issue will be addressed Eventually™️

it's mostly due to a lack of accessories

[fresh loom]

yeah

and the weapons are all kinda hard to use

[drowsy plank]

eh?

[light prism]

skill issue

[frozen hornet]

lawlsi you smell

[light prism]

i think the tomes/books could definitely use a touchup

[fresh loom]

Well in like infenum you need some form of tracking and mage had either none or low damage for the ones that do

[light prism]

a lot of them are

[frozen hornet]

which ones specifically are hard to use

[drowsy plank]

i would consider melee or rogue's weapons hardest due to their complex functionalities

[frozen hornet]

infernum

[drowsy plank]

well calamity isn't infernum

[light prism]

disappointing

[frozen hornet]

[fresh loom]

or even death mode

like

anything past revengence maybe

[frozen hornet]

Your problem is weapons not having homing

[fresh loom]

nah

and their under performign dmg compaired to others

[frozen hornet]

That is a balance thing

[fresh loom]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

that's so vague there are definetly SS tier mage weapons rn if i go check

[frozen hornet]

You need to provide evidence for that

[light prism]

they hate me cuz they aint me ..,,,

[fresh loom]

there are but every melee at that tier still outperforms or even ranger. and ranger is 10x easier to use

[frozen hornet]

erm ackshually my pronounce are he

[light birch]

Not anymore

[frozen hornet]

this is all generalizations

[fresh loom]

yes im not actually doing another mage playthough that shit sucked

or investigating every single spell tome/staff in the game

[light prism]

they is a pronoun used in normal english therefore my grammar and mispronouncing are totally okay .,,,,

[fresh loom]

I dont speak english i speak british

[light birch]

You're not speaking at all!

You're writing!

[frozen hornet]

It's as simple as providing specific examples where people can actually look at and fix

Saying x class sucks is super general and vague

It's like saying malaysia sucks

[fresh loom]

i did this playthrough like 3 months ago and ik for a fact they havent fixed it in this time. I dont remember it but i think that dps at like the DOG stage was severly lacking like 5k for him

[frozen hornet]

Well then go do some tests and post the results in #1178515062030348308 or something

[fresh loom]

ill think about it

if i do that im gonna be forced to use the calamity guide

idk most of mage class

[drowsy plank]

you dont know the class but you know it's bad

[fresh loom]

I have played it

not like ive played others tho

like i know generally what i use for most parts of the game

i do know mage was ASS tho

[light birch]

Maybe it was just ass the way YOU played it?

Not to make accusations

[fresh loom]

nah its dps just lacking

[light birch]

But that is very much a possibility

[fresh loom]

maybe

i had like 20 fps at the time we dont talk abt that tho

these are the DOG suggestions and i used them and they barely worked against him because of how they functioned but i have never once struggled on base DOG like when i use say melee ranged summoner ect

or rogue that class is op asf

[frozen hornet]

Do you aim for the body or the head

[fresh loom]

the head

[frozen hornet]

Loadout?

[fresh loom]

its just the weapons are mostly slow moving objects

[idle dagger]

First time I played calamity was with a freind

He used nuclear fury against DoG iirc

Shredded him pretty well

[fresh loom]

idk

[distant gyro]

3 of those are receiving reworks effective next update so probably fine

[fresh loom]

Seems like a weapon that would do good against a big ass worm

never even knew it existed tho

[distant gyro]

im pretty sure dark spark is good though

pointing laser in the general direction usually does the job

[light birch]

If you line a piercing weapon up with the body you get beeg number

[distant gyro]

most weapons capable of hitting both head and tail of dog are like big performers

[light birch]

Also probably like 10 fps

But that's not important

[distant gyro]

the body is pretty marginal

[light birch]

Yeah, but hitting many segments at once adds up

[distant gyro]

it does

but theres also a big bonus from piercing half the body to piercing half the body and hit the tail

[light birch]

True

[fresh loom]

it is just sucks your mana so fast

[light birch]

Gotta spank the worm for optimal DPS

[fresh loom]

also on a bad computer that crashes

to opening google to fast

it wont work

[fresh loom]

new weapon idea: Hand Its a summoner weapon that spanks how you get it? Killing the nurse in post moonlord

[drowsy plank]

wow i love objectifying women

[frozen hornet]

But do you love womenifying objects

[drowsy plank]

yes

[light birch]

Next update should definitely include a new furniture set

Identical to wooden furniture, except with boobs

[hollow shell]

when you think what class your going to do mage NEVER crosses your mind
Speak for yourself.
I am currently playing mage.

[crude geode]

Literally

Assuming others have the same thoughts as you on a class is going to get you proven wrong quickly

[light birch]

Especially based on a single playthrough

[median scaffold]

...you should nerf summoner and rogue instead

[echo leaf]

Buff true melee

[light birch]

Make a new class and make it OP as hell

[echo leaf]

I have no valid reasoning besides the fact that I like it

[median scaffold]

This should lead to the "Make subclasses more distinguishable from the main class" suggestion or smth

[echo leaf]

No

[drowsy plank]

true melee is going to die before it gets buffed

[echo leaf]

Nooooo

[median scaffold]

[echo leaf]

You can't do this to me BOOHOO

boohoo~5

[median scaffold]

They'll do that to us, lihzahrd

[olive saddle]

ever since the Tmelee nerf of 2.0.3.001 its been so joever...

[glass arch]

mage is bad not because its bad but because everything else is ridiculous

like its actually mostly the balanced class

[median scaffold]

I think ranger is also the more overall balanced class, if we will ignore 2 SS that last all of hardmode (and another SS for being the best weapon for DoG)

[idle dagger]

Yeah it’s not like mage is unviable, I think every class is still completely fine to play through

[thorn talon]

I thought that rtn was too weird to buff. If you buff it some weapon will be completely overpowered with it so i wanted to suggest a rework but i realize the current rtn does help with some weapons and it's overall a p good choice for weapons lower than 700 damage

Apparently cprime and sdfmg gain some seconds against dog and yharon

[scarlet musk]

how difficult is it to change the firing position of terraria weapons

im not making it a suggestion but why would the arm be on the shoulder rest and not on the grip idk its just frustrating

[idle dagger]

yeah
on weapons with high fire rate it absolutely shreds

on classes that don't it's a marginally better class emblem

[thorn talon]

Yeah

[hollow idol]

stay tuned for at least one new painting next update !

[golden bane]

Tru

[glass arch]

asset hell

[misty lichen]

sugg posting don’t even care about the mod no more

[light birch]

Hm?

[misty lichen]

now we have add accessory upgrades add paintings add kites

[light birch]

And are those not related to the mod?

Cosmetic items are STILL items

[median scaffold]

We NEED to make Calamity like Vanilla (a shit ton of cosmetic items)

[light birch]

People like cosmetics

[thorn talon]

Well maybe rtn isnt that bad but stuff like occult skull definitely needs a buff tho

Or a rework or smthin the better one

[median scaffold]

To be honest, I would like to have more stuff for the builders

Including accessories, armors, blocks, paintings, etc.

[light birch]

Oh for SURE

[median scaffold]

Hand of Creation nerf is especially weird...
Not the reason for the nerf, but the nerf itself

[light birch]

Though it's hard to make a compelling argument to make that part of the mod

[light birch]

Why... Why did they nerf the building accessory?

[median scaffold]

Too high mining speed for a singular accessory, as far as I can guess

But the nerf in question (Hand of Creation and Ancient Chisel) now makes maximum mining speed slower! (60% instead of 70%, iirc)

[light birch]

Ah. Alright, that's honestly not that bad

Precision mining doesn't need speed

And we got enough drill mounts for large scale deconstruction

[median scaffold]

Yeah, it is only 10%, but the bugged nerf is weird

[light birch]

What's bugged about it?

[idle dagger]

I think rtn is bad on classes that don't have high fire rate

it like genuinely sucks

[median scaffold]

But the nerf in question (Hand of Creation and Ancient Chisel) now makes maximum mining speed slower! (60% instead of 70%, iirc)

[idle dagger]

bringing back my goated 'combine a bunch of building/mining accessories' suggestion fr fr

not now bu probably next batch

[median scaffold]

Is it in the batch or not?

[idle dagger]

currently no

last time i posted it was uhh

[light birch]

Ah

That is indeed weird

[idle dagger]

last time i posted it was oct 26th

a month ago

Also I believe all the mining speed nerfs across the board are so you don't cap out mining speed instantly

To compensate they add more accessories that boost mining speed

[median scaffold]

@tulip rock
For nerf / buff requests, go to #1178515062030348308
Additionally, summoner is getting a rebalance, so Deepsea Staff will probably be nerfed, if not reworked entirely

[tulip rock]

oh thanks

[frail fox]

AS drop reworks save us

[idle dagger]

The mining speed cap boost is 70% iirc yeah?

[median scaffold]

Yes

[idle dagger]

In vanilla terraria Chisel + Mining potion is already 50% alone
Then you can use hand + chisel + mining potion to instantly cap it out

There’s also slice of cake and then mining armour

Exquisitely stuff is another 15% too

Calamity makes it nerfed a bit, but still easy because there’s more accessories

Which is neat

Takes up a lot of slots though, which is why I want to advocated for an upgrade that combines a bunch of them

[light birch]

Maybe builder armor that gives some extra benefits, extra dig and placing reach and stuff like that

[idle dagger]

Reaver armour does this actually

[light birch]

Really?

[idle dagger]

Reaver armour is excellent

Yes

[light birch]

Neat

Still could have an upgrade, doesn't really need to be combat viable, just more convenience

[median scaffold]

It is good for mining, but worse for building purposes than Marnite (as of currently)

[idle dagger]

Since we’re pretty late into this week’s batch I’ll wait until Friday to suggest the combined building accessory

[idle dagger]

I’m not super familiar with marmite

What’s that one do

[light birch]

Marmite is an australian food spread

[median scaffold]

The lift is questionable past some stage, but it is better than Reaver for building (has tool range increase and higher block/wall placement speed)

[idle dagger]

tool range increase is enormous

[idle dagger]

Autocorrect moment

Honestly a Marnite + Reaver armour would go hard

[light birch]

Would be a logical combination

Have something like the auric tesla armor where you just craft them together for the ultimate construction armor

[median scaffold]

Considering how spaced out they currently are, probably post-DoG would make sense (althrough it is already packed with too much content, so I would do post-Polter instead)

[light birch]

Yeah that's fair, that part did feel kinda empty

[sand marlin]

Overloaded Blaster, Archerfish, Hellwing Bow all have area damage

Do not touche the shotgun...