suggestions-discussion

[lucid marsh]

It would be better to have a different mechanic independent of the number of phantom spirits killed

[light birch]

Yeah, I personally prefer it like that. It is VERY easy to miss those bosses that don't spawn naturally if you want to play without guides

[echo leaf]

Random chance to spawn it when you kill one

[light birch]

I think it works fine like that

You know when it's gonna happen, you can prepare and plan around it

Not like it's a tiny number either

[lucid marsh]

I would make it like anahita

[light birch]

You really also don't need that much necroplasm at that stage

[lucid marsh]

Or actually, more like the cultists

Special thing spawns in a specific place and interacting with it in some way spawns the boss

[light birch]

So like

killing a certain number of specific enemies that spawn in just one specific place?

You did just describe the current spawn mechanic

[lucid marsh]

I mean

Instead of 50 randomly spawning enemies, it's one enemy in one exact location

And maybe it doesn't have to be enemies, it could be an object

[lucid marsh]

How long has it been since the SSO was announced as planned?

I remember seeing some kind of roadmap years ago

about like... a 3 part brimstone crags update with the sunken sea update somewhere in the middle

I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask. I was considering making a suggestion about an updated roadmap

[light birch]

The channel for that would be #calamity-update-talk I believe

[hollow shell]

Right. Unlike WoF and Anahita, Polterghast has no spawn preventer.

Likely because after you kill Polter once, the natural spawn mechanic stops being a thing.

I agree

It would not be a good change if the natural spawn was removed and not replaced with anything, leaving the spawn item the only method
Cuz that's mega lame

Maybe it could be something like uhhh
(shitty Specifc territory but I'm just spitballing here)

Yknow how Stardust Pillar has the Stardust Cells that split into multiple mini versions of themselves on death, which soon grow into versions that become capable of splitting on death too,
so you're ostensibly meant to kill them as fast as possible to prevent it from getting out of control,
but if you want to farm Stardust Pillar, you let them keep multiplying, intentionally only killing the fully grown ones and leaving the mini ones alone to grow up?

(Same thing with the Vortex Pillar and how the Queens drop multiple Larva on kill that eventually grow into Queens)

We could have a gameplay dynamic like that for Polterghast
Where a ravenous spirit enemy will be going around growing in power, prolly by eating Phantom Spirits as they spawn,
and you can kill it prematurely to stop it from getting too large, but if you leave it alone so that it does grow large enough, Polterghast spawns
So, you have control over it, it's always preventable

(Ideally the spirit itself wouldn't become Polterghast cuz Polter itself is implied to be a distinct thing that's been growing for ages
More likely, it sees the spirit enemy as a tasty powerful spirit to assimilate. You're making an attractive "meal" for it.)

This is not suggestable but I figured I'd say words.

[lucid marsh]

It could be the real poltergast, but just... An incarnation of poltergast

The idea I really liked was a stealth kind of thing, where it's always roaming the dungeon and if it sees you, the fight starts

[drowsy plank]

that just seems really annoying

[hollow shell]

That could be cool, lead to cool experiences, if executed well

[drowsy plank]

possibly worse than the current implementation

it's like plantera's bulbs but even more annoying because now you could also get randomly jumpscared by polter showing up

i like rover's much more

[light birch]

As is right now, you at least cannot be surprised by it

And if you don't want to fight it, you can just warp away, because you will most likely have the shellphone at that stage, or at least a conch

[hollow shell]

There are indeed forewarning messages
It's basically just an annoying thing you gotta deal with while farming Phantom spirits
Kill 30, Polter spawns, teleport away, teleport back, kill 30, Polter spawns, teleport away, teleport back, ...

Granted killing 30 Phantom Spirits takes a while iirc

[light birch]

What do you even need that much necroplasm for?

Genuinely

[hollow shell]

One or all of these three I suppose

But
yeah honestly not much else uses Necroplasm pre-Polter / pre-DoG

[light birch]

Bloodstone cores I guess

But even that is fairly limited

I was able to get the full armor set in one trip to the dungeon

[hollow shell]

And that'd be excluding the armor, because the armor is post-Polter

[light birch]

true

[lucid marsh]

There's the seadragon

[light birch]

Aquatic scourge?

[hollow shell]

Seadragon only takes 9 Necroplasm
which, yknow, is indeed about 1/3 of a Polter spawn
but it's just the one item

[light birch]

OH

Weapon name

[hollow shell]

heh

[light birch]

I'm tired

[lucid marsh]

Honestly, does necroplasm really need to exist?

Also I just found out now that it's been renamed twice

[hollow shell]

Let's not get too derailed

@dawn trout What is it that you're farming for that you're getting annoyed by Polterghast spawns?

[lucid marsh]

And that it's a 1:1 copy of a material from exo Avalon

Well, almost

[hollow shell]

What do you need over 60 Necroplasm for? (assuming 2 Polter spawns is enough to make it annoying)

[light birch]

Personally, don't think polterghast is too big of an issue as is with the spawning, partly because I don't think it's really that difficult of a boss

[dawn trout]

literally anything in the dungeon I end up forgetting post moon lord

[lucid marsh]

Bloodstone?

[light birch]

And if you don't want to fight it, it's easily avoided

[hollow shell]

The post-Plantera enemy drops?

[light birch]

Are you crafting EVERY bloodstone weapon there is?

[dawn trout]

yes, ectoplasm and a great deal of others that don't have recipies

[hollow shell]

Alright, that makes sense
You can include that in your suggestion

Because they're RNG drops, you could be farming for a while

[lucid marsh]

Bloodfire bullets or arrows

[hollow shell]

One half of a Necroplasm makes 333 of either

[light birch]

You get 333 per necroplasm

[lucid marsh]

Yeah I guess you're right

[light birch]

Oh right, half even

[lucid marsh]

Although, that's not very much by that tier

A single DoG fight probably uses like 1000 of them

And it takes me 20 tries to beat DoG

[light birch]

Necroplasm becomes a lot more necessary past DoG, and at that point polterghast shouldn't be more than a nuisance

You get about 20k bullets per trip before polterghast spawns

And that's the low end

[dawn trout]

@hollow shell Alight, I modified my post a bit

[frosty trellis]

Supreme
Mana
Potions

Need them

Unless that was changed

Also it really doesn't take long to get 30 of them we have zerg potions

[crude geode]

It would be nice if there was something before polterghast spawned

[light birch]

Define something

[crude geode]

Like a huge influx of phantom spirits or something cinematic

[hollow shell]

You're correct there. But it's 1 Necroplasm per 15 potions.
So if you were farming just for potions and get 30 Necroplasm to spawn Polter, you'd get 450 potions out of that.

[crude geode]

Instead of you killed phantom spirit #30, die

[hollow shell]

That is better, thank you 👍

[light birch]

Yeah, I would agree that a small window before the boss spawns wouldn't hurt

Let's you get ready if you intend on fighting and fuck off if you don't

[dawn trout]

np

[hollow shell]

(But by the time you're fighting DoG you'd presumably have killed Polterghast already, which makes the natural spawn method stop happening.)

[light birch]

Yeah, if you're fighting DoG polterghast shouldn't be a huge problem anymore

[lucid marsh]

Yeah I guess so

This is more about the annoyance of farming necroplasm to me, not polterghast

Also, polter is still a challenge with pre DoG gear

[light birch]

I found the fight fairly easy, but admittedly I'm playing on the lowest recommended difficulty

[golden sonnet]

nah, polter is very easy even on tier

before too

[light birch]

One of the few bosses I actually beat first try

[frosty trellis]

May I remind you that especially by endgame for stuff like Staff of the Blushie, that won't get you past the first two tier of boss rush

Also people are bad

They will go through that many

Hell there is a lot of people who suck at guards or provi

[hollow shell]

(By that point Polter is long dead)

But if 450 is actually a reasonable amount of potions for a struggling player to chug while fighting Guards and Prov, then
fair enough I suppose

[tired haven]

Now I'm curious what miniscule percentage of dps a player loses when using 300 mana potions (which you can purchase infinitely from permafrost iirc if not, then 200 from wizard) with staff of blushie

[frosty trellis]

If it's anything but last prism: Not much
If it's last prism: It's a very large decrease

As super mana potions are not enough to get you to not have constant mana sickness, but supreme is

Unless you invest into mana reduction

I have tested this bc chaos stone on prism is worse than dest emblem for that reason

[tired haven]

Yeah, I specified staff of blushie because pretty sure it chugs like once in 2 seconds regardless

[frosty trellis]

Blushie chugs them like hot candy

It's like the only weapon in the mod rn that you can justify using chaos stone on

Maybe Dark Spark but I would need to double check it's mana usage since i remember it also being quite high

[lucid marsh]

Mana potion discourse #10 time

[tired haven]

There is no discourse, mana bad, mana potion crutch for bad

[crude geode]

Literally

This ain’t “what type of boss is the extremely unique ai of exos”

[frosty trellis]

I was about to say yeah where is the discorse I'm talking about from a balance perspective using hard data where the discorse

[lucid marsh]

I think mana would be fine if mana potions were just removed from the game

You'd have to redesign like three weapons, the ones that ramp up with constant use

[crude geode]

In cal you’d have to do a lot more than 3

[lucid marsh]

Ah

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[lucid marsh]

Which? I can't think of a ton that don't work

[tired haven]

You forgot the part where you have to make base character have mana regen potion effect by default, else 3/4th of your bossfights would be searching for a place to sit still

[crude geode]

Any of the prisms, most of the machine guns, and probably more

[frosty trellis]

Rancor
Staff of the Blushie
Aetherflux Cannon
Dark Spark
Apothesis
Rainbow Party Cannon
Gruesome Eminence
Yermes
Teslastaff

All post moonlord weapons that become basically completely unfunctional without mana potions

[frail fox]

Nothing new for Teslastaff

[lucid marsh]

Oh, the answer to that is simple, you replace the mana flower line with things that grant various extra forms of mana restoration as well as mana regen stat

[crude geode]

No

Improve base mana regen

[frosty trellis]

Cal does that what

Mana regen builds are like

Insanely good

Rn

I literally talked about this earlier

[crude geode]

I meant in vanilla terraria

[lucid marsh]

Alright, fair, though I can't think of more than like 2 machine guns?

[lucid marsh]

Good

Then there is no problem

[frosty trellis]

Nano Purge, Laser Machinegun, Gatling Laser

3 more besides Aetherflux

[crude geode]

Genesis and Omnicron?

[lucid marsh]

Ah

I should try them some time

Anyways, idea for ramping weapons:

Running out of mana keeps their charge but stops the weapon from working at full power, in a kind of "revved up" state, until your mana regenerates

[frosty trellis]

Do they have charge up for the lasers? I forget

[crude geode]

Omnicron looks like it

[frosty trellis]

At least with omnicron I never use the lasers as holding left and right click for the Y and grenades is better when you're good at Yharon

[crude geode]

fair fair

[frosty trellis]

Your mana cannot regenerate if you are using a weapon

That is a built in terraria feature and the instant you remove that you immediately make several mage weapons utterly busted

[crude geode]

Indeed

[frosty trellis]

Current mana regen is very fast

If stuff like Fabstaff which is already strong could regen itself off that would be devistating

It would make RPC look like icicle staff

[frozen hornet]

and then the mana hungry weapons become utterly unusable without potions

crazy system

[crude geode]

Something something red’s pet project was never meant to be real

[lucid marsh]

I am proposing that this "reved up" state count as not using the weapon

[frosty trellis]

How in the hell do you code that

What kind of IL editing bullshit would be needed to make that work

[lucid marsh]

Whenever you run out of mana with a weapon that charges, the primary attacks stop, and it enters a cooldown that prevents the weapon from being used. However, it retains it's charge level that becomes available again upon your mana being full, and while recharging you gain a weaker secondary attack with that weapon which happens passively just by holding it

Or actually, you don't have to make it when you run out of mana

Whenever you stop attacking with a weapon that ramps up, it retains it's charge as long as you keep holding the weapon and don't switch away from it

[crude geode]

What

[frosty trellis]

I cannot believe I'm saying this

I prefer mana potions

Like genuinely

This sounds just flat out impractical and requires so much effort that completely shuts down how several weapons are supposed to function completely

The hold out attack in the recharge period doesn't fix stuff like Staff of the Blushie it annihilates how the weapon works entirely

[lucid marsh]

Huh

[frosty trellis]

Also gruesome eminence

Gruesome eminence has a 15 second charge up period

[lucid marsh]

It...

[frosty trellis]

And then you are supposed to be able to hold it out forever

And let the demon go ham

[lucid marsh]

I feel like I'm not explaining this right

[misty lichen]

eminence doesn’t consume mana outside of first use btw

[frosty trellis]

Staff of the Blushie's entire gimmick is that the longer you use it the more damage it deals

[misty lichen]

but everything else yes

[frosty trellis]

Oh huh

[frosty trellis]

And the system you are decribing especially doesn't work with blushie since the downside to this damage racking is that it consumes a billion mana

[lucid marsh]

Imagine if, for example, the demon became passive when you stopped holding the attack button, but it immediately started attacking again the way it was before once you started up again

If the mana consumption worked like you thought it did

[coral carbon]

this is just not it chief

[frosty trellis]

That sounds impossible to code bc if you let go of the demon it stops and you have to let it regen again

[coral carbon]

also yeah you cant code this

like 99% sure

[lucid marsh]

I am surprised you can't code this

Items can generally do things while you're holding them

Such as: umbrella

[frosty trellis]

It's just far, far too impractical for like the 15 weapons that would need to be fully changed for this to work and would also just completely annihilate crossmod compatability

[lucid marsh]

Fair

Alternative idea:

Is it worth losing 15 weapons to fix the mana potion issue

[coral carbon]

dude

[frosty trellis]

No because two of them are dev weapons and therefore isn't possible to remove and at least 3 of them are vanilla weapons

And cal does not change the functionality of vanilla weapons

[lucid marsh]

Bluh

Ok

What if you just decreased their damage by 50% but made them use no mana

[frosty trellis]

Also one of the dev weapons in question is one of fabsols dev weeapons so uh, good luck

[frosty trellis]

Half of them become immediately dogshit

[lucid marsh]

Adjust damage decrease as necessary

[frosty trellis]

Hell I think the only weapons that would become closer to balnaced from that are blushie and rpc

Every other one would be ass

But also then it's just not playing the fucking class

At that point go play ranger

[crude geode]

Literally

[frosty trellis]

You don't want to deal with mana go play ranger

[crude geode]

Like it or not beam/spam weapons are a part of mage’s identity

[lucid marsh]

I actually do want to deal with mana. Just not mana potions

[coral carbon]

you cant have your cake and eat it too

[lucid marsh]

I do not believe mage can be fixed without a change in identity

One which revolves around changing the mechanics of mana potions or mana flower

Suppose mana sickness has no cap to it's damage debuff

This has been discussed before

[frosty trellis]

That changes nothing

All that does is make you tweak mana numbers so you can't overcap on it and make those weapons useless

Which screws over specifically charge up continuous use and mana use weapons

[lucid marsh]

Ah. Right.

Hmm

[frosty trellis]

Like I'm going to be honest after playing more with mana regen builds

The mana potion problem is so fucking overblown

I've played with mana regen builds in other mods and it was fine

[crude geode]

I’d rather see more mage weapons reworked to be interesting like they did with omicron and coral sprout than to try to fundamentally change mana rn

[coral carbon]

i have never ever had serious problems with mana potions

[frosty trellis]

I'll cite my eternity mage pt for that

I did mana regen for the most part I dropped flower

[lucid marsh]

Oh, mana regen works great, even in vanilla

The problem is that potion builds are an option

[coral carbon]

okay

you dont have to use them then

[lucid marsh]

I'll just leave it to whoever it was that has ideas to fix it

[frosty trellis]

Like I think mana potions themselves being an issue is completely overblown, outside of the few weapons you can ignore them completely and is even better to do so for a number of weapons

And if you want to have them as an option so be it, use that accessory slot on the flower over something that could potentially be more useful

[lucid marsh]

That's the other thing, mana flower is in like all the mage accessories

Suppose it was torn out and made its own, smaller upgrade line

And mages got a separate accessory with other neat effects, like the star cloak one

[frosty trellis]

Mage needs new accessories isn't a new take

It has none

It needs more in general

And while mana flower is in talisman you can also turn it off

Via turning off visibility

[lucid marsh]

I turn it off by not carrying any mana potions

Hmm. Actually

[sand marlin]

Oh dear why are we trying to discuss the worst route possible in removing mana potions

[lucid marsh]

Based on how accessories inherit effects, I wonder if turning off visibility on an accessory to disable an effect also disables other ones tied to it

For example, maybe the mana usage reduction

[sand marlin]

Yeah pretty much this. Mana potions are not a problem and they shouldn't be overestimated to be as such

Mana potions are literally just "Oh you don't wanna sit there being useless until your mana comes up? I'll let you keep shooting but you'll have objectively worse damage" (ignore holdout weapons)

[crude geode]

Pretty much this

It’s pretty well known that mage and ranged are dogshit when it comes to accessories

Ranged has slowly been getting pieces but it’s still not great
Mage is just lol lmao

[sand marlin]

Ranged is fine because many universal accessories are very applicable to it but wouldn't hurt to have some stuff

[lucid marsh]

I was under the impression that you didn't actually get a net damage loss for most weapons

[misty lichen]

i still think it should be a more drastic difference since it’s like usually a 10 second difference for a 2 minute boss fight

[sand marlin]

I agree

[misty lichen]

depends on a lot of factors how important it is but it’s usually so unnoticeable people just use potions anyways

and remember the mana hotkey exists anyways

flower is by no means a requirement

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message oh yeah we could instead aim for it to become disabled after the first kill

[lucid marsh]

It already is I think?

[hollow verge]

isnt this already in nthe game

[golden sonnet]

yes

[sand marlin]

Wait really

Did I just completely forget

Guh...

[golden sonnet]

yes

it's like EoC, mech bosses, etc

after you kill it, it can no longer spawn naturally

[sand marlin]

Okay actually I will step in here because this might be an Infernum bug if it isn't some random boss checklist bug (if they do have it even), I have context from Infermain about their situation

I'd be surprised if it is but well shouldn't be a problem regardless

@golden sonnet can you check where the natural spawn code is

I want you to look into how the process goes, like with sand sharks

Well there we have it

We can move on from this one

[golden sonnet]

ah, looks like you don't need it anymore

but I don't see any issues with it and have never had issues with it in main cal

[sand marlin]

I will tuck this away in somewhere regardless so nothing was wasted

[golden sonnet]

oh sorry, and the most important part

it's nested in this

so won't run at all if polter is currently alive or has been downed. If you need anything more of it in the future, just check 2124 CalamityGlobalNPCLoot

[sand marlin]

[median scaffold]

I've remembered about my suggestion and I'll change it in the near future

And I found the way Calamity changes prefixes. Additional stats don't look too hard to implement at the giving moment...

@hollow shell
Sorry for the ping, but I've edited the suggestion (changed the rent about Arcane being bad and added a sentence regarding just buffing the amount of mana granted)
Is there anything else I could change or add to the suggestion?

[light prism]

#suggestions-posting message
this plz

lovely mage additions

prettyplease

[olive saddle]

Waiter waiter, more reasons for people to discard mana flower please!

[light prism]

i mean mana flower is good regardless

less mana usage and later uogrades more damage

[olive saddle]

Its good but its so fuckin brainless

[fleet grotto]

i only use mana flower when adrenaline

or sustained fire weapons

[olive saddle]

I tried mana regen recently and its so fun

[fleet grotto]

agreed

[light prism]

im doing mage run right now with mana flower and im not using potions

mana regen is fun, you dont have to use the brainless mana potion mana flower ability 🙏

[olive saddle]

Absolutely

[light prism]

good accessory regardless for less mana usage though still!!

[fleet grotto]

mana regen is fast enough on its own, it can take like 2-3s just for full

[light prism]

fr

[olive saddle]

Get a mana regen potion as well and you're cookin with gas

[light prism]

yeah im doing mana regen nohits rn

having fun

god i need arcane buff …..

[olive saddle]

Imo mana flower was a mistake since it no longer separates the class from being a ranger reskin

[light prism]

i thinj the option is good to have , but mana regen is more fun

[sand marlin]

Wrong

[median scaffold]

Probably a bit hot topic-ish, but I think Mana Sickness doesn't punish the player enough

[olive saddle]

I definitely agree

[light prism]

anyway i love the suggestion buff arcane

[olive saddle]

Wait guys what if we removed all mana increasers, thatd buff arcane

[median scaffold]

No Mana Crystals

[light prism]

make mana sickness give punishing mana usage

[olive saddle]

I rememeber I saw an accessory from a mod that removed mana sickness but doubled mana usage

[sand marlin]

What Mana Flower, and by merit, Quick Mana does is just let Mage not worry about the consequences of not being able to attack when you most need to with a drawback. All classes are able to rely on their tools like this so why can't Mage do it? You have to keep Mana Flower alive but never optimal, that is the best way to handle it

[light prism]

yes

just choose not to use mana potions fr

mana flower still goated

[olive saddle]

I definitely agree with the last part but I always felt mage was supposed to be a burst damage class and not another hold M1 class. I was gonna say how I thought mana flower was decent for accessibility in making mage more used but it ended up making it more brainless

[sand marlin]

Well

[light prism]

this is like a spam rogue vs stealth arguement

it should both be options

[olive saddle]

I would not call this an argument

[sand marlin]

Removing Mana Potions would certainly make many more players stop using Mage than it would attract

[light prism]

i think mana regeners should get more benefits

[light prism]

-# was just using a word i dont mean arguing

[sand marlin]

Mana Potion is supposed to be brainless because it's letting the rest of the playerbase actually experience some of Mage and then later if they really want to, they can make use of Mana Regen instead

[median scaffold]

Tbh, just yeah

[light prism]

like the “spam” option exists, but reward those who go further or something

[olive saddle]

Yea i do as well

[olive saddle]

Imo at that point you're playing ranger with slightly different mechanics

I dont thihk its that different at all

Besides no ammo types

[sand marlin]

That's every class.

If you wanna be brainless with a class you pick something that always hits so you're just ignoring every other section of the class

[light prism]

lmk is this a good idea; mana regeners get additional buff/damage boost/less %mana usage for waiting for the mana bar to fully regen

[median scaffold]

Rogue 2.0

[light prism]

or something

hehe

i lkke rogue

[sand marlin]

Like how inexperienced players cannot use Hellborn despite how strong it is because Megashark with Chlorophyte Bullets has that objective ease of use

[olive saddle]

Good argument actually

[olive saddle]

I fuck with it

[sand marlin]

I am in agreement that Mana Regen should be stronger

[light prism]

i think the best choice would be give players who wait for full mana regen less mana %usage

or something

anything

[lavish condor]

mana regening faster the more mana you already have is actually a vanilla mechanic, which would make it technically more optimal to stop firing early to lower time spent waiting for mana overall

[sand marlin]

That's vanilla

[lavish condor]

yea that's what I said

[sand marlin]

Oh, I misread it then yeah it wasn't a question

I know it's optimal but it never feels right to do it

It's too much effort for little gain

[lavish condor]

I wonder if they made that mechanic more drastic it would make things more interesting

[sand marlin]

The only thing that makes use of it is uhh that Ion Blaster mage gun thing

[olive saddle]

I actually fuck with the idea of having a second set of mage accessories that do this or making band of mana regen do this

[light prism]

🙏

[olive saddle]

This thing is so awkward

It feels so odd watching my damage move around like an osu map

[light prism]

i think a problem might be is some weapons are designed with mana flower in mind..?

[sand marlin]

And this is why we have Chaos Stone 💪

[light prism]

whar does that do i forgor

[sand marlin]

Just lower the cost reduction from most effects and instead encourage Chaos Stone usage if you're using holdout weapons

[lavish condor]

does chaos stone have mana flower built in?

[sand marlin]

No

[olive saddle]

Replaces the mana sickness damage with dot on you

[median scaffold]

....that's a good suggestion, my friend

[olive saddle]

No and I find that oddly unintuitive

[light prism]

honestly i just dont fw mana potions

[olive saddle]

I agree

[light prism]

so ill prob not use chaos stone

[sand marlin]

I avoid mage when I do difficult runs because when I actually have to focus I simply cannot use mana regen as it becomes too difficult to keep track of things and mana potions suck major ass early game

[olive saddle]

I need to play mage more often

Resource management is fun

I love shit that demands more from you in videogames

[light prism]

love to see mage discussion

[median scaffold]

Welp, I guess I'll wait for Rover to response or whenever the suggestion will drop in #suggestions-voting

[light prism]

i WILL be voting

[olive saddle]

Me too

[median scaffold]

I just hope Quick will be undirectly buffed by SSO

[violet zephyr]

Does a sound play when you get all your mana back from recovering?

[drowsy plank]

think so

pretty sure it is a vanilla thing too

[novel belfry]

remember when polaris parrotfish was instead a funky gun that became stronger on hit until it became a homing weapon

i miss those days

[echo leaf]

You do yes

[teal marlin]

Yeah, it's a little plink noise

That sound is heaven for mana regen builds

[violet zephyr]

I forgot to follow up my question...

Mind failing...

So, I preface this.

Why not a sound for when mana is out?

[teal marlin]

I'll always use mana regen over mana potions, does more damage and costs no accessory slots

[errant wren]

i would've described it more like a "brreet"

[teal marlin]

Well, does mana truly go to zero often?

Genuine question

[errant wren]

it's also pretty obvious when you do run out if you're not using mana potions

[violet zephyr]

It can be a sound when you try to cast without the required mana, then.

[drowsy plank]

why do you need a sound for that

i feel like it would be pretty obvious when your weapon just refuses to work

[teal marlin]

You'll just notice your cast speed go to a standstill

And with mana regen pots, you just wait a couple seconds for the brreet

[errant wren]

especially with weapons that are fast

[teal marlin]

Crystal storm my beloved

[errant wren]

last prism weapons will just turn off

uhhh

the ones with wind-up

[teal marlin]

I would collectively call those beam weapons

Granted, there are only two and both are prisms

[errant wren]

yeah ultimately needing a sound to tell you you're out of mana isn't really that helpful

other than a specific case where mana regeneration and mana potions are disabled for some reason

[teal marlin]

That would just be pointless and unfun

[errant wren]

even then, you could tell

[drowsy plank]

does charged blaster cannon count? and sparkling empress? also even if those don't there's three with last prism, dark spark, and yharim's crystal

[errant wren]

also rancor if you think about it a little

[drowsy plank]

true

[errant wren]

but yeah the point still stands that

you can tell when you run out

[light prism]

i think a small sound would be appreciated

[grim tusk]

Ngl Auric Toilet suggestions should be added to the donts

Joke item leads to joke suggestions

While the item is already fine as it is

[light prism]

what do we think of ghe arcane buff offer 🥺

[violet zephyr]

If the reason why the Auric Toilet can't be sat on is because of Auric Rejection, then why is it not made of Auric Ore? The truth? The Calamity Developers are secretely evil, and this further helps their agenda.

[teal marlin]

Auric rejection on a toilet is funny, it doesn't need to make sense

Besides, it's the auric metal that rejects, not the impurities in the ore

[violet zephyr]

This is wrong. Auric Bars don't reject, because we force Yharon's soul fragments into them, pacifying the metal.

It is why we can wear an entire suit of Auric and not die Springtrap-style.

[sharp helm]

It's also why Yharim's armor is a bit better. The metal isn't stronger, but since Yharim's auric-worthy, he can use the rejection properties offensively while we can't

[teal marlin]

I see

Either way, the metal rejects, not the ore

The soul fragment may bless the metal, but the metal is still what rejects the unworthy

Wait a minute, if we claimed an auric soul through force, doesn't that make us no better than Xeroc?

[drowsy plank]

idk probably
i think yharon is the one that decided to try and kill us so you could argue self defense

[frozen hornet]

technically opposite

[drowsy plank]

but tbf how characters relate your terrarian is all up to interpretation

maybe you did, maybe you didn't

who knows

[misty lichen]

sure but its literally just making the item functional

it does not have the toilet functionality every other toilet has

thats an oversight

[novel belfry]

You think I am morally justified?

[grim tusk]

The item is supposed to have no purpose

[misty lichen]

???????????

and terra toilet is???????

[drowsy plank]

this feels a lot like the Grape Beer/Burning Sky argument

like yes i think we understand the intention behind the joke

but whether or not it actually sticks the landing is another arugment entirely

[misty lichen]

auric toilets integrity would not be put at risk if the item worked

[drowsy plank]

a toilet piece of furniture not having toilet functionality doesn't seem like a bit it seems like a bug
i suppose the tooltip does imply that you're not actually suppose to be able to sit on it but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise totem]

Is Yharon the last pureblooded auric dragon left on Terraria?

[drowsy plank]

the suggestion exists for a reason

to our knowledge, i think so??

[frozen hornet]

indeed he is

[misty lichen]

the cactus toilet tooltip does the same thing so

[drowsy plank]

well cactus just says "how desperate are you" so

it's a little different

[violet zephyr]

Yes. Yharon is the last Auric Dragon.

[drowsy plank]

TIL there's a diamond toilet but no other gemstone furniture

wild

[violet zephyr]

We don't claim his Auric Soul, since the player doesn't become a God. We just take the fragments that fall off after the battle. Also, Yharon goes after the player.

[novel belfry]

a bit of a cop out if you ask me

[drowsy plank]

nah i mean

[violet zephyr]

And, as I mentioned before, the Auric bars the player makes can't reject, since they've been pacified, and the Auric Toilet uses bars, not the ore.

[drowsy plank]

people did this all the time

you need to undergo a specific process to actually claim an auric soul

yharon is just going to go through the cycle of rebirth as dragons normally do

[frozen hornet]

You call it cop out
I call it genius

[wise totem]

I wonder how good Crabulon meat must taste

[novel belfry]

my biggest reason for why i want an option for the player to eat yharons soul is so the Cynosure lore item gets rewritten to be Yharim roasting the shit outta you

[drowsy plank]

it's not even a cop out the artifact you need to use to claim auric souls was rendered inert millenia ago

[frozen hornet]

Bro has no meat

[wise totem]

Oh shit right

[violet zephyr]

Terminus is not required for ascension.

[frozen hornet]

He's just mycelium and crab shell

[wise totem]

I forgor he was a husk

[drowsy plank]

then why does it imply that it does smh

[novel belfry]

you'd need terminus if say, you dont want to end up being slime god

[frozen hornet]

It implies you need it to ascend perfectly or smth

[drowsy plank]

bluh bluh

whateve idk how the fuck you'd even implement actually absorbing yharon's soul mechanically anyway

[wise totem]

Who speaks during the phases and activation of Terminus???

[violet zephyr]

Xeroc.

[violet zephyr]

You can't really.

[wise totem]

I don't know who that is

[novel belfry]

the real question imo

[drowsy plank]

go read the lore or smthn smh

wait guys i got it

[frozen hornet]

Just make it irradiant pearl risk of rain

[drowsy plank]

you absorb yharon's soul

and it just turns you into a green slime

👍

[frozen hornet]

+10% to every stat

[violet zephyr]

Xeroc is the first God, and the God of Primordial Light, which is pretty much the Sun.

[frozen hornet]

crit, damage, defense, DR, movement speed and flight time

[violet zephyr]

Doesn't Hunt of the Old God do that?

[wise totem]

I'm assuming Providence serves under him?

[frozen hornet]

Idk

[violet zephyr]

No.

[novel belfry]

ya it does something to that effect

[frozen hornet]

Providence is unrelated to xeroc

[novel belfry]

@wise totem they rewrote the lore, go read up on it

[wise totem]

Oh ok

[drowsy plank]

https://terrariamods.wiki.gg/wiki/Hunt_of_the_Old_God/Chromatic_Auric_Soul

found it

the stats it gives are actually suprisingly low for what it is, but i mean
it's balanced so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[violet zephyr]

This is Goozma's.

I believe Yharon has his own, too.

Found it.

https://terrariamods.wiki.gg/wiki/Hunt_of_the_Old_God/Draconic_Auric_Soul

[errant wren]

auric toilet discussion? make it release pure auric energy when it's powered by a wire

[gritty plaza]

Is there a big document with all of the lore, or does one have to find it through the game oneself?

[drowsy plank]

#lore-discussion

[violet zephyr]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DgyreCi8fGco8QiFhKHH8rIo_wHplhthdq08ro_SK9o/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.sjlpj85a4t6l

It has one source missing, I believe.

[gritty plaza]

Thx

[violet zephyr]

(That being Draedon's comments on certain Arsenal items)

[teal marlin]

So, in other words, Yharon isn't dead, just dormant?

[drowsy plank]

yeah p much

[hollow shell]

I'm late but yeah it's fine

I feel like the point about Arcane being useless due to Calamity's buffed regen rate could've been explained a bit better, cuz you'd think even more max mana would mean the regen rate would be boosted even more. Which would be a good thing, reducing your downtime between bursts along with allowed for longer bursts, right?

And, more emphasis could be put on the fact that Arcane grants such a little amount of mana, that even speccing into it fully (+140 mana with 7 accs) would be barely significant compared to the big cost of losing all that raw attack (or survivability) from other reforges.
(ex: -28% damage lost by comparison)

But

that could all be things to consider if this sugg doesn't get enough stars. It's possible a lot of people will immediately agree anyway cuz they know how much Arcane sucks.

[light prism]

i love this suggestion

need more mage variety

[median scaffold]

I'll save it just in case, thanks

[hollow shell]

👍

[royal tapir]

#suggestions-voting message Oh right I was just gonna do this one but was busy doing something else then forgot

[novel belfry]

ack

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Weapon Recipes Recognize the Don't Dig Up Seed]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[echo leaf]

🎉

[frail fox]

Never seen this one before

[crude geode]

not at all

[drowsy plank]

@hollow shell can we add rogue station to the list of freq suggs cause...
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message

and i know some of those are very old but also this has very much been confirmed to be in the works for a while, so letting another suggestion of something we can already confirm is going to be added eventually feels... dumb

golem rework suggestion again too..............

[hollow shell]

A rogue station was "going to be added eventually" ever since the rogue class got added.

[drowsy plank]

mmm

i mean that doesn't change what i said

[hollow shell]

It was one of our oldest Trello cards.

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[frail fox]

It’ll come with Focus, I believe…

[drowsy plank]

look questionable dev stuff aside, getting the umpteenth rogue station sugg probably isn't going to be the thing that gets it implemented

is all im saying

[hollow shell]

Not even exaggerating:
It might.

[drowsy plank]

hm

well i guess we can see

if shade comes in in a week and says otherwise or something then maybe we can consider it

[hollow shell]

The last straight rogue station sugg that I can see was before 22

[drowsy plank]

fair

anyway looking at the golem rework sugg and uh

i think the last golem rework sugg is what got us to add that section about boss design

i dont really feel like this one is clearing the bar but i wanted a second opinion

[frail fox]

Rogue station

[drowsy plank]

rogue station............

[golden sonnet]

rouge station

[frail fox]

It’s possible that I’ll come sooner than expected but I wouldn’t expect much before SSO and the great summoner rebalance

[crude geode]

rouge station

[hollow shell]

Either way
@hidden kraken You need to edit your suggestion to follow the correct format.
You need a title/summary at the top on a separate line, and your reasoning/explanation below
separated by a line break (Shift+Enter on desktop)

Look at the other suggestions currently in #suggestions-posting for reference

[violet zephyr]

I don't think a suggestion will somehow bring a Rogue station.

[hollow shell]

Station doesn't need to come with a "rogue rework", though.
It can easily be sprited and added independently of any grand plans

[crude geode]

you can easily just give it projectile speed or less chance to consume consumables or whatever

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[crude geode]

If projectile speed breaks rogue Imma scream

[drowsy plank]

lol

[hollow shell]

Or if you wanna give it a more useful stat like max stealth then you can decrease the amount of max stealth that, iunno, modifiers give
or most rogue armor sets
so there will be no net balance change
if you wanna assume the majority of players will be using it and you don't wanna universally buff the class

[drowsy plank]

consumables

[frail fox]

Rip bozo

[hollow shell]

Same argument I had for Arcane earlier iirc

[misty lichen]

ro class lo

[hollow shell]

But yeah if you wanna just get the rogue station in with minimal headache, just to have it,
then yeah give it some minimally important stat like proj speed

[misty lichen]

FUCKED UP PART IS IT LITERALLY WOULD THO

[hollow shell]

And then you can actually do you want with it when the rogue rework comes in 2028 or whatever

[crude geode]

why am I not surprised

[wide river]

Knockback

[crude geode]

very true

[hollow shell]

Indeed.

[misty lichen]

knockback would change literally nothing yeah

you know titan glove doubles all melee weapon knockback?

[crude geode]

hilarious

[misty lichen]

if you ever want knockback there is never a reason to not play melee after hardmode

the weapons already have better knockback inherently and then gets it doubled

[crude geode]

terraria should have the risk of rain thing where enemies that slam into walls take damage

so that way you can instantly kill hornets in hardmode by hitting them with slap hand

[hollow shell]

That foot weapon from Dead Cells

[wide river]

Antlion charger kills itself upon entering underground desert

Those lads build up speed like crazy

[hollow shell]

anyway I'll leave it to y'all to argue over and rule upon this Golem suggestion

I really shouldn't be here I have uni work to do

[wide river]

Good luck with that Rover

[crude geode]

saying that golem has more of a bullet hell than exo mechs is certainly. a choice

[novel belfry]

hes not wrong

golem isnt even a bullet hell, hes just a gigashit volcano of projectiles

thats just poor boss design

and mind you, some other bosses can end up being gigashit volcanoes of projectiles, but Golem especially sucks because you're in an enclosed arena and some projectiles BOUNCE

while a lot of infernum bosses can be heavily debated, i'd have a lot of questions about you if you didn't for some reason think Infernum Golem is better than vanilla Calamity Golem

[frosty trellis]

It's not wrong whatsoever

Especially if you take into account master

Hell even in expert rev I die to golem more than I die to exos

Whether in pts or in testing

Golem is bullshit

Exos there is a formula

[crude geode]

true

[frosty trellis]

Especially after all the exos nerfs it's definitely easier than golem

[misty lichen]

i’m gonna hesitantly agree

[rugged perch]

master death golem is the most painful thing i have ever experienced golem is so ass

[misty lichen]

even on easier difficulties than master, golem is only buffed in rev by just adding more, slow bouncing projectiles

and making the head killable for some fucking reason

[frosty trellis]

The head being killable is a choice of all time

It only makes sense in the current itteration as the fight is just so chaotic and not fair as is

[misty lichen]

one day fabsol decided that was “good game design” and applied it to like 4 bosses

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell can you get rogue station back on frequently suggested

[grim tusk]

Instant exclam due to high effort, altho some reasoning is valid and I’d like to see Golem toned down

I’ll try to get something more reasonable to the dev server

[steep patrol]

I wanna see golem getting killed

[grim tusk]

Already has happened lol

[crude geode]

I heard lmao

[grim tusk]

See: some weapons with feather crown+, and glove of precision

Yes even feather crown in its current, miserable spot

[crude geode]

Can rogue be normal for like. one update

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1022558486447525908/1290438066640654406/image0.gif

[wide river]

The real reason it's called rogue is because its balance goes rogue every two patches

[grim tusk]

Balance goes rogue for method practice

[royal tapir]

Evil Shade in 2.0.3.6

[grim tusk]

Shade, CIT and Angel go missing, rogue balance is fucked

I should take a look at the reworked rogue weapons when I can

[grim tusk]

(Slick cane aint it?)

[frail fox]

Random rogue weapon buffs after they were balanced(?)

[frail fox]

You can probably remove the “rogue” part and it still remains true

[north oracle]

TRUE

[short sun]

can someone give me good summonner build for twins infernum mode?

[gray bone]

wrong channel
head to #calamity-addon-talk

[oblique otter]

imp staff

[short sun]

thx

[median scaffold]

Just to be sure, does Vanilla states (or Calamity changes the tooltip so) that Shroomite helmets grant multiplicative damage bonuses?

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message i'm not even quite sure what to say here

uhhh

the real calamity is the friends we made along the way

or something

[boreal lichen]

#suggestions-posting message The story is sad enough if you read about it I think, but that's not the point

[lofty igloo]

top 5 goated suggestions methinks

There are already quite a few plans on adding structures/biomes to indicate evidence of disasters that occured in the lore so ech

[odd geyser]

😭

[errant wren]

i also don't think the mod is supposed to be sad?

[drowsy plank]

fucking peak suggestion title

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message
mod isn’t meant to be too sad I don’t think so and most bosses can’t talk due to being wild animals or machines

Plus it is sad if you look at the lore (world wide war, genocides upon genocides and atleast 1 child soldier)

[sleek turret]

peak sugg

[errant wren]

if i really had to think about it, there are two calamities in the mod
the first is basically everything that has to do with yharim and the gods
the second is that the effects are still present and someone might be following in the footsteps of yharim

[drowsy plank]

"this truly was a calamitous mod" -draedon calamity on the death of yharim calamity

[sleek turret]

they should add earthbound-rpg indie game with themes of depression sadness in calamity

[errant wren]

but the real calamity? it's the people that play it

[drowsy plank]

holy shit is that an omori reference 🤯

the real calamity was literally the friends we met along the way

awesome

[errant wren]

but uh

yeah

i can't take that sugg seriously

[drowsy plank]

proly a reason cit instantly flagged it lmao

[gilded citrus]

Same

[errant wren]

wait cog i already made that joke

[wide river]

Hey maybe the real calamity was the friends we made along the way

[errant wren]

i'm about to go cause another calamity

[gilded citrus]

Perhapse the real calamity was the friends we made along the way

[echo kestrel]

it’s not even a title, it’s a declaration

[errant wren]

Then Yharon said, "it's time for the infernum"

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

absolute cinema

[drowsy plank]

i was agreeing with you

[jovial spire]

Cal isn't even supposed to be all entirely bad and sad and stuff

Things kinda suck yeah but it's not like it's gonna be that way forever

[grim tusk]

The Calamity happened before the player arrived

[median scaffold]

The player will start another calamity!

[grim tusk]

You’re just seeing the new world formed after

[jovial spire]

Hell, things do actively imrpove throughout the game too through your actions fairly often

[grim tusk]

Calamity: a new hope

[jovial spire]

to be fair there are multiple events you could theoretically call THE Calamity™️

[grim tusk]

Calamity: the tyrant strikes back

[wide river]

Calamity: Revenge of the Witch

[echo kestrel]

Cosmic
Armies
Loom
Amid
Mortals’
Inevitable
Yharim

The C.A.L.A.M.I.T.Y. Mod

[spice stream]

the calamity initiative

[vestal crater]

Why loom??????

[echo kestrel]

it is a verb

[vestal crater]

What does it mean even?

Oh like something is looming over something

[echo kestrel]

ye

or maybe

Cruel
Ancients
Languish
Against
Mankind’s
Inevitable
Yharim

[harsh echo]

add T

[echo kestrel]

oh shit i am not spell

[harsh echo]

Quite so

[echo kestrel]

Cruel
Ancients
Languish
Against
Mankind’s
Inevitable
Tyrant,
Yharim

[median scaffold]

Calamiy is close enough, tbh

[vestal crater]

Ah he’s my favorite mod calamiy

[echo kestrel]

the y in calamity stands for yharim

[gray bone]

that's how we pronounce it here in briain

[harsh echo]

trfue

[median scaffold]

s tru omfie

[echo kestrel]

yhaaaaarm queen bestie

[harsh echo]

Xalamitas

[odd geyser]

no

make it sad

sad all sad

dog was weaver's dad and then ate weaver's mom alive and now is searching for weaver cause dog is a weirdo!!!

then ummmmm

scal is an orphan

oh wait thbat's already a thing

yea rip

calami mod should end with devourer of gods coming back to life, stealing your xeroc kill and it becomes the devourer of multiverses and eats everything

that would be sad I think

[median scaffold]

!wiki future bosses

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Future_bosses

[odd geyser]

yep

add that back in

[novel belfry]

Noxus watching his underling do what he couldnt

[whole tundra]

I feel like making a suggestion that makes it so if you select master when creating a world, a message in red pops up saying that it's definitely not made for new players, just like for small worlds

[median scaffold]

A good idea, tbh

[harsh echo]

i concur

[whole tundra]

going to properly write it after my shower

[drowsy plank]

@lavish citrus actually i can

read the rules

they're in the pinned document

[lavish citrus]

I REALLY hate the amount of damage done idiot so it WILL be nerfed no matter what

I still want a fair challenge in master death so don’t nerf it to much

[golden sonnet]

don't play master death if you are complaining about the damage

that's entirely on you

[lavish citrus]

Bruh such an idiot

I can do what I want

[golden sonnet]

me when the harder difficulty is harder

[lavish citrus]

Yep

[royal tapir]

No point wasting your time Raesh

[drowsy plank]

actually, you cant! stop calling people idiots or im warning you!

[lavish citrus]

I get prepared for king slime and die all the time so that’s why

That much damage for a slime is so weird and out of place for a pre hard mode boss

[golden sonnet]

I realized yeah

[vestal crater]

What mode

Death master is intended that way

Same with rev master

[lavish citrus]

True

[vestal crater]

Otherwise kinda just a skill issue ig

Or just gear issue

[light birch]

Seconded

[lavish citrus]

Was I not ready for the calamity mod? Cuz classic mode sucks

[drowsy plank]

wait are you playing cal in classic mode

[vestal crater]

How much terraria have you played

[grim tusk]

You should start Calamity with Expert Rev. Although you should do at least a vanilla expert pt before you even do modded

[lavish citrus]

A lot when I first played up to 1.3 and that’s when I stopped

[lavish citrus]

Thx

[vestal crater]

Thanks shade

Didn’t wanna type that

[grim tusk]

Yep, master death is the “you wanted bullshit difficulty? Fine here you go and stop bothering us to make the mod harder”

Also stuff doing too much dmg can be mitigated with defensive builds, unlike in vanilla where theres limited options and fall of a cliff in hardmode. Cal makes em much stronger but punishes standing still so luigi% is not enabled. Defense dmg is there to allow us to buff defense a lot without it getting out of hand

[drowsy plank]

well true bullshit difficulty is gfb

[grim tusk]

[median scaffold]

I would say that FTW is harder just because GFB is bullshit by itself

[light birch]

FTW is maybe more difficult, but GFB is still the true bullshit

[whole tundra]

Took me a solid 6 minutes to write because I just couldn't figure out a good way to word the 2nd paragraph

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[median scaffold]

Does anything points to Expert and say that it is the intended Calamity experience besides the fact that you need Expert+ to play Rev+?

[light birch]

Pretty sure the game explicitly says "The intended calamity experience" somewhere

[crude geode]

rev is the only spot

[royal tapir]

Difficulty UI description for Revengeance says that

[median scaffold]

Fair enough

[light birch]

That was where I saw it, right

[median scaffold]

When you choose Revengeance, which is not a bad spot, but I think something similar to what Silva suggested could be done

[light birch]

I do agree, could be something to add to the world creation screen

[median scaffold]

...should I make a suggestion about this?

[light birch]

Probably couldn't hurt

Downloading the mod with little knowledge just to find out you made your world the wrong difficulty AFTER you already made it (well, maybe not WRONG necessarily, but you get what I mean)

[royal tapir]

Surely people will read this

clueless

[harsh echo]

it extends outside of the textbox

peopoe will ntoice it and complain fr fr

[royal tapir]

Even better

[crude geode]

beautiful

[median scaffold]

CIT, please, do the same for Expert

[whole tundra]

doesn't mention the vanilla changes

also isn't red

[echo kestrel]

why not just lock calamity master mode behind expert mode completion?

[median scaffold]

Not Masochist mode

[echo kestrel]

and then if you really want master maybe a fun ui interaction where you spam click master mode until the lock breaks

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
Since the suggestion is done (I think), can anyone mark it?

[prisma sedge]

If this is a genuine question, I think it's just that locking harder modes behind completing the easier modes is a bit...lame, usually
Unless the changes are significant enough to make playing the game again feel like a whole new experience, it really would just be playing the game again, but a bit more difficult

[crude geode]

^^^^^^

there's a reason the most you get in more difficult playthroughs is mostly cosmetic

[median scaffold]

I would say that even Masochist doesn't need, even considering the fact it is much harder than Eternity

[prisma sedge]

Like, I can barely make any progress in my vanilla Legendary GFB world, but I think the struggle I'm having in it as someone who can barely beat a regular Master Moon Lord makes it a little more fun to trudge through than if I had to slowly build up to it from difficulty notch to difficulty notch

[echo kestrel]

It is a genuine question, yup. I’m just wondering since the suggestion posted implies the step up from expert to master in calamity is really that significant

Like so much so you need to nudge the player towards playing expert first and not master

[median scaffold]

I don't think Calamity should lock Master mode of all things behind Expert Rev+, but telling the player about its difficulties is rather nice

[prisma sedge]

A bit, but at most, I think it could just be locked behind a gauntlet separate from the main game, maybe to give you a taste of what you'd be in for without requiring you to go through the whole game in a lower difficulty...like a mini boss rush!

[median scaffold]

Uhh, sorry for the ping, but does it mean that Silva's suggestion was implemented already?

[olive saddle]

Gamers and calamity players in particular hate reading

[sand marlin]

I paid close attention to difficulty tooltips when I first played the game actually

[steep patrol]

The text should be red for extra spicy

[light birch]

Make it bright red, glowing, cover half the screen, and play an alarm siren at full volume regardless of PC settings

[worthy lintel]

the player should have to click on master 5 times in order to make a window appear to confirm they really want master

[crude geode]

and then it sends an email through steam that you have to validate

[light birch]

Don't forget the carrier pidgeon confirmation

[olive saddle]

I would not be opposed to this actually

[echo leaf]

If someone who hasn't beaten expert mode attempts to play master mode, it blows a fuse on the user's PC

[worthy lintel]

(however i do concede that the difference between vanilla master and cal master is so extreme without any forewarning that i dont blame players who dont play cal regularly and think master will only be a little bit harder)

granted its vanilla's fault for making master mode dogshit easy

[olive saddle]

The user starts to play fnaf irl
Freddy and co spawn and the doors to their room can only be closed for a limited amt of time

[steep patrol]

Vanilla master mode is so funny you can swim in lava pre hardmode

[split sleet]

Been offline for a while, does anyone know why my suggestion about the auric toilet didn't get through?

[light birch]

Maybe they just thought the suggestion was shit

I am hilarious

I will go back into my pit now

[hollow verge]

this is such a minor suggestion and yet i am in full support of it

[hollow verge]

#suggestions-discussion message

[misty lichen]

that’s not a reason though

[drowsy plank]

the reason is dev said no 👍

[fleet grotto]

Realizing this stat meter suggestion is technically a reversion

Explodes

[harsh echo]

[olive saddle]

I feel like this is so fucking minor that it shouldnt matter

[harsh echo]

Amethyst, the Today at 11:06 PM

[grim tusk]

@fleet grotto this is an oversight

#1052330262492631071

[misty lichen]

is it?

[errant wren]

it's a bug?

[harsh echo]

[errant wren]

to be clear, the sugg was just to make the stat meter an inventory item since there's no conceivable benefit to using it in a loadout

that's my understanding at least

[harsh echo]

that is what it looks to me too

[steep patrol]

Its used to do something as an accessories

[errant wren]

we don't talk about class proficiency...

[grim tusk]

Probably an oversight from the above

[steep patrol]

But now since they strip those from them its should not be an accessories anymore

This is what i understand when they say oversight

[errant wren]

well now i'm just confused

i'm not that smart

[harsh echo]

It used to do something but now it doesn’t, and they forgot to make it no longer equipable

that right?

[misty lichen]

yes

[errant wren]

wait that's actually kinda funny

[harsh echo]

[errant wren]

i kinda just assumed stat meter being equipable was just like to make it consistent with other "information accessories"

i was there for when the different meters did have a benefit to using them

not that the mechanic was good..

[novel belfry]

class proficiency is something you'd see in a random mod that tries to overhaul class progression

[misty lichen]

oh, like the calamity mod

[harsh echo]

don’t be ridiculous

[prisma sedge]

Y'know, I do wonder if there'd be a way to make class proficiency actually work in a Terraria mod, because I think the idea is kind of cool, but I can also understand why it'd be annoying to work with on its own

[whole tundra]

19 minute suggestion > implementation speedrun

[patent marsh]

[patent marsh]

not enough warning

[weary bane]

should probably make it crystal clear that calamity's master mode changes are brutal compared to vanilla

[median scaffold]

"Stop. YouTuber territory only."

[weary bane]

"This is for masochists. Are you sure you can handle it?"

[median scaffold]

"We wanted to add Malice back, but were too lazy. Have this."

[harsh echo]

“Don’t.”

[tidal ginkgo]

I Kinda wish that aqautic scourge got a new sprite and That the weapons get reworked

[harsh echo]

i think that is happening

[light birch]

Both the dry and the wet worm are getting reworks in some way from what I've seen

I don't know the extend, but I believe it's a resprite at the very leastr

If I'm wrong, don't stab me plis

[boreal lichen]

It will get resprited

[golden bane]

It’s not even for masochists, Fargos maso mode is easier than master death

Especially in 1.7

[tiny minnow]

“Don’t ask Reddit about the immense difficulty increase”

[median scaffold]

Arcane suggestion is doing numbers, what....

[spice stream]

it was a good suggestion

[steep patrol]

if arcane sug passed i am sure someone gonna do one for quick too

[median scaffold]

I didn't do the suggestion about Quick reforge because of this

462 - The Increase Base Movement Speed config option now multiplies the player's max run speed by 1.5x instead of increasing movement speed by 50%. - Done ✅

Probably won't make Quick suddenly broken, but at least it'll be more useful than it is now

[steep patrol]

what if quick give flight speed

[median scaffold]

Make Quick give:
Movement Speed
Jump Speed
Flight Time

[steep patrol]

acceleration

[spice stream]

quick is pretty good as is for waffle

[median scaffold]

That too, I forgot

Anything else?

[spice stream]

idk anything more would be a tad overkill

[steep patrol]

Make quick give jump speed is a very interesting idea cuz rn I am addicted to flying up

[median scaffold]

Jump speed is a stat I thought was bad and then I learnt it actually affects flight.....

[spice stream]

jump speed the goat

[median scaffold]

Now I'm somewhat addicted to jump speed

[steep patrol]

And that's why I love Gravistar sabaton

[median scaffold]

Otherwise, I think we probably should wait for SSO
...or we could just make a suggestion about buffing Quick, because damn, 8% sounds hella nicer than 4%

[frail fox]

Welcome back 1.5

[steep patrol]

Quick 8% movement speed
Warding 12 defense

[spice stream]

1.4.5!

[median scaffold]

Was it really too good back at the time?

[spice stream]

i think it scaled up depending on stage of the game

[frail fox]

Sandstorm with all quick made you break the sound barrier

[spice stream]

at least warding did but idk if it still does

[frail fox]

Warding scaled but quick was always 8

[spice stream]

damn

[median scaffold]

Will 6% make Quick useful and not break things at the same time?

[frail fox]

Granted with the way master is going, 8% quick might be a good idea again

[frail fox]

I’d just wait for SSO to see how it is first

[median scaffold]

Yeah, I think that's a good idea

[steep patrol]

What if quick give 0.5 flat mph on top of 4% movement speed

[drowsy plank]

as it should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im telling you 1.5 movement buffs were literally fine!!! you had to stack zany amounts of movement speed to do the shit most people showed off which is LITERALLY THE SAME AS ANY OTHER BUFF TYPE!!!!!!! you can do insane stuff with all warding and all menacing!! but you lose out in other depeartments!!!!! it was FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

💥

[spice stream]

explode emoji

[drowsy plank]

if we're not going to balance around people having 8 emblems on why are we balancing around people having 8 frog legs on 😭

[frail fox]

I mean with the insane movement speed you could just outrun and completely invalidate bosses (which is it’s own problem regardless of quick but yeah)

[fleet grotto]

cabbage we have 8 movespeed quick again please thanks

[spice stream]

but movement is funny!

[drowsy plank]

idk how this is any different than rungodding which still exists, or just melting stuff/tanking stuff so they can barely do anything
like i said this is the exact same invalidation that every other lean-into build has, so idk why movement speed was considered any different

[misty lichen]

i’m assuming the multiplier only applies while you don’t have a hermes boots effect

surely

[spice stream]

i think it still does?

[misty lichen]

well it’s not in game yet

currently in game it just gives all characters +50% movement speed

[spice stream]

oh i see what you mean

thought you meant something else idk

[median scaffold]

You thought they meant that the current speed boost shouldn't apply while you have Hermes Boots effect

[spice stream]

no that the cal config speed boost currently didn’t apply

[frail fox]

Another one

[idle dagger]

Maybe adding it to freq suggested is the mov like I saw talked about above

[mellow coral]

Last one was like a day ago lel

Really makes it apparent that this is in fact an issue

[whole tundra]

95% known info
5% already added (iirc) suggestion

[mellow coral]

Whats the 5%

[worthy lintel]

ok so i missed a page why is everyone suggesting on golem this week

[errant wren]

i guess because golem is overtuned on some difficulties

that's my understanding

[novel belfry]

so basically at some point in the fight he just becomes a gigashit volcano of projectiles

[golden sonnet]

master golem specifically is pretty unfair currently, but golems head already has an HP nerf next update on top of the universal 15% HP nerf to master already in the next update

[worthy lintel]

you know, fair enough, i always hated golem even in vanilla

[misty lichen]

if you’re a first time player playing the game on master rev (very likely), you’ll have no way to know that master changes bosses and golem is the most egregious required boss

[novel belfry]

not orderly whatsoever, it just fires so much fucking projectiles all over the goddamn place

[golden sonnet]

hoiks also make the fight much easier

but yeah, golem is already nerfed twice for next update

[novel belfry]

it's a TERRIBLY designed fight if you have to use HOIKS to make it easier

[golden sonnet]

to be fair the hoiks are for the projectiles not the player

[novel belfry]

still

[golden sonnet]

but they still probably shouldn't be as "encouraged" as they are

[errant wren]

i haven't even attempted master golem

[worthy lintel]

Thank you for the input calamiters

[errant wren]

death mode was unenjoyable to me

[golden sonnet]

Death is pretty much the same as revengence

it's really only an issue if you use it with master

[fossil finch]

defense

[golden sonnet]

what about it?

[golden bane]

How is golem required?

[golden sonnet]

it's not

but most players don't know that

[frail fox]

No normal player knows that yeah

[golden bane]

Fair

[hollow shell]

WoF isn't required either. Technically.

[golden sonnet]

fucking love calamity's non linearity

low% and no WoF are like my favorite things to discuss in the mod

[hollow shell]

ML is unambiguously required though, at least. A lot would need to change for him to be skippable, and I don't think they'd be good/healthy changes.

Anyway yeah it's weird we got two Golem nerf suggs in such short succession

[novel belfry]

you can still get to dragonfolly before moon lord

[golden sonnet]

GFB:

(iirc)

[fossil finch]

deus ml alt should've happened years ago so we'd still have it today because things cant be removed for weird arbitrary sunken cost reasons

[hollow shell]

Yeah hence what I said about the changes not being good/healthy

[golden bane]

Why isn’t he needed in gfb?

[hollow shell]

(nothing against GFB itself, I mean more so the base game seed(s) shouldn't be.. like that.)

[golden sonnet]

ah wait, I think he still is cause DoG

[hollow shell]

Woulda been very interesting

[idle dagger]

Luminite is an extremely necessary material iirc

[hollow shell]

You can get pre-ML luminite in GFB via shimmer

[golden sonnet]

^ from aureus

[idle dagger]

Oh hm- from WHO

[hollow shell]

He drops, what, Stellar Striker?

[golden sonnet]

asteroid staff

oh wait

nvm

ML isnt needed in GFB

[hollow shell]

Nah yeah Asteroid Staff

[golden sonnet]

forgot about mechanized worm giving access to gaurds giving access to prov giving access to sentinels giving access to DoG

so you don't need the phantoplasm

so ML is 100% skippable in GFB

[idle dagger]

Gwuh

I supposed gfb is just a silly mode

Never really tried any of the secret seeds

[mellow coral]

^

[golden sonnet]

it is indeed yeah, you generally do frost/pumpkin moon after skeletron

[mellow coral]

Forcing one strategy in a game like terraria is just baf

[idle dagger]

LOL?

[golden sonnet]

Looking at it, funnily enough, ML actually locks 0 bosses in GFB

as prov drops ASE which shimmers to necroplasm to summon polter, and polter unlocks acid rain 3 to get OD

so you can kill literally every boss except ML due to all the bullshit GFB has

[golden bane]

Perfection

I think every boss should be skippable somehow

There’s got to be a content mod that does that

[mellow coral]

Its not but alot of gear is actzally locked behind it so

You can still fight cultist but miss out on scoria and plague stuff

And ravager i think?? Unsure about that one

[golden sonnet]

rav unlocks scoria

[mellow coral]

It does?

[golden sonnet]

it drops it yes

[golden bane]

Is cultist skippable

[mellow coral]

Interesting