suggestions-discussion

[echo kestrel]

That's true, I like the niche, but it's kinda odd the niche isn't replicated on other Astral Infection equipment

Like, low gravity being disabled is always a good thing, right?

[median scaffold]

On what items would you add the disabled low gravity effect?

[olive saddle]

In super niche cases no

[crude geode]

Early game it lets you reach further asteroids

[olive saddle]

But they're extremely extremely niche

[crude geode]

Yeah

[echo kestrel]

I threw up a list there, wasn't thinking of any particular items, but if I had to pick, putting it on Astral Armor wouldn't hurt

Since getting Astral Armor effectively means you've conquered everything there is now that astral infection has to offer

[crude geode]

Astral armor my poor dogshit child

[echo kestrel]

So getting distorted immunity and low gravity immunity passively is like the ultimate "you have beaten the astral infection"

[median scaffold]

Ursa Sergeant, Hide of Astrum Deus, Infected Jewel, Star-Tainted Generator, and the Astral Armor set.
Tbh, I agree with only Astral Armor here. Other stuff will be bloated with pretty much unneeded effects otherwise

[echo kestrel]

Ooh, ok I think then I could just rework the sugg into just asking for dist/lg immunity on astral armor

[median scaffold]

I think that could work better, yeah

Lemme do a suggestion too

[harsh echo]

Add minos prime

Add minos prime

[median scaffold]

No, I didn't even play Ultrakill for that

[echo kestrel]

Ok, completely changed the sugg

Thoughts on removing wings from tracers and instead replacing it with soaring insignia for celestial tracers, and ascendant insignia for elysian/seraph?

[crude geode]

So you’d have to fight empress twice to progress boots?

[echo kestrel]

Good point, how about just ascendant insignia for elysian/seraph?

actually, hmmm

weird spot indeed

[gaunt needle]

add frog leg to celestial tracers and then insignia for elysian

[crude geode]

As is it’s fine, if a little awkward for elysian

[gaunt needle]

maybe even throw in the magiluminessence somewhere

[crude geode]

You see the wings consistently are a material and you should have a spare, and even if not you can just make some with a random material and 10 souls of flight

[gaunt needle]

no, you make the tracers an upgrade to angel treads instead of wings

ok wtf are those typos

[echo kestrel]

Yeah, they are, it's just it's very often people are recommended to drop tracers and instead go for wings

the suggestion sort of hopes to incentivize still using tracers since with the change, they will no longer be considered wings, and even combos because of insignia being present

also helps with the current problem of both insignias not being good enough to warrant an entire acc slot

[crude geode]

Wiki still says they are wings tho? Or is that being changed

[echo kestrel]

no i mean with my suggestion

removing wings from tracers and swapping it out for insignia

[crude geode]

Oh on removing wings entirely from tracers

[echo kestrel]

edited for clarity

[gaunt needle]

i would totally vote for that

[crude geode]

Aren’t the insignias like good accessories bc mobility good

[echo kestrel]

good yes on paper

but not good enough to warrant a whole acc slot

[gaunt needle]

i actually used a loadout with angel treads and soaring insignia once

100% would recommend

(and the starboard on top of that)

[echo kestrel]

that's kind of insane, 3 accessories for mobility

[sand marlin]

They're good if you want flight time. Which is what they are supposed to be for currently. Angel Treads compares by raw flight time alone but doesn't quite beat the upgraded insignia

A better phrasing would be that it barely beats Soaring Insignia Ig

I think? It's close

[gaunt needle]

i mean, 2 accessories is kinda expected (wings + boots is the usual choice for pretty much whole hardmode)

3 is just 1 more

[crude geode]

I’d prefer boots to stay combined at least until wings have more options post ml

[echo kestrel]

Hmm, how about then

• only seraph getting wing integration
• elysian tracers = celestial tracers + ascendant insignia
• celestial tracers = angel treads + soaring insignia

[gaunt needle]

you need 2 soaring insignias for elysian then

[echo kestrel]

yeah you'd still have to fight EoL minimum twice

[gaunt needle]

i would say

• celestial = angel treads + soaring insignia
• elysian = angel treads + ascendant insignia OR celestial tracers + whatever materials you need to upgrade the insignia

[echo kestrel]

Ok then how about:

• only seraph tracers gets wing integration with Drew's Wings
• elysian tracers = celestial tracers + soul of flight, effulgent feather, ruinous soul (basically the recipe for ascendant)
• celestial tracers = angel treads + soaring insignia

Oh lmao ok we were thinking the same thing

[gaunt needle]

yeah that's kinda the only thing possible

i believe

(that's how vanilla does it with the lava waders)

[echo kestrel]

ooh right good point

[crude geode]

As it stands the most major decision you have with it post ml is whether you want boots or wing boosts/stats

[echo kestrel]

I think I'd prefer the major decision then to be whether I want wings + acc slot or boosted wings with boots

[crude geode]

Whereas hardmode at least has wing variety through boosts (though someone mentioned it dying in favor of something else)

[median scaffold]

Make Calcium Potions more useful

Calcium Potions were added to give the player an easy access to fall damage immunity and to not make them waste a slot just on that. Back in Terraria 1.3, Calcium Potions could be used up to second Evil bosses / WoF and up to Endgame, if the player was doing Defiled difficulty. Sadly, in Terraria 1.4.4, Bundle of Horseshoe Balloons was added, making Calcium Potions redundant past second Evil bosses anyway. Additionally, Calamity itself adds a recipe for Lucky Horsheshoe. Combining the 2 facts, the player is encouraged to use Horsheshoe Balloons, making Calcium Potion redundant even pre-boss.

[gaunt needle]

issue is, most of the time the answer is "wings" because boots are just the worse wings with the added benefit of faster speed on ground and having terrasparks (without having to switch loadouts)

[crude geode]

Heavily agree

[median scaffold]

I probably should format it a little bit better and add a section about getting Lucky Horsheshoe at the same time as Calcium Potions just because of the recipe's existence

[crude geode]

Even if it’s useful pre-existence, so many more potions have better uses and resource sinks

[sand marlin]

There is a pretty useful viability to be found in Celestial Tracers for Guards and Prov in underworld but other than that, Tracers are usually worse yeah

[echo kestrel]

So if the suggestion was implemented, would you consider boots then?

[median scaffold]

Aren't Seraph Tracers good for rungod Exos / maybe even fighting Exos normally?

[echo kestrel]

Because of how much they would boost wing mobility + the fact you have boots too

[gaunt needle]

once again, i used angel treads post ML, i would totally use the upgrade if it existed

[median scaffold]

If tracers were an additional mobility accessory, I would 100% get and use it

[sand marlin]

They have a niche in mecha mayhem but other than that they are just less controllable wings and aren't even faster than Drew's wings midair

[median scaffold]

Yeah, Tracers shouldn't be wings....

[echo kestrel]

speaking of drew's wings, it's weird that there's still a choice between wings or boots in endgame

[median scaffold]

You mean, Class Setups?

[crude geode]

It’s really one of the few mobility choices you have because wings are necessary by that point

[echo kestrel]

No, I mean Exo Box

[median scaffold]

Well, I prefer wings over Exo Box

And AoE can't be done with Exo Box only

[crude geode]

They’re an alternative to Drew’s wings that never get used because it just has worse stats

[median scaffold]

So there's my voice

[echo kestrel]

Huh, actually well, with my suggestion, if seraph tracers inherit the insignia buffs.... well that now makes drew's wings inferior

and now we're at the same problem all over again lmao

[median scaffold]

Wait, you still want Seraph Tracers to be wings??

[echo kestrel]

I mean, because there's no auric-equivalent of ascendant insignia

but I guess we could just take out the wings from seraph and leave the auric bars but keep all the horizontal mobility + the ascendant passive

[median scaffold]

An item doesn't need auric-equivalent to be good at this stage

[crude geode]

^

Not every item needs an upgrade

[sand marlin]

Auric Absorber

[echo kestrel]

that's fair

[median scaffold]

Well, Auric Absorber should be a thing, 100%, for sure, ofc

[crude geode]

Post ml wings are kinda lame just bc there isn’t any alternative

You put on Elysian you put on Silva you put on drew

[echo kestrel]

okay so I guess it's fine then that seraph tracers w/o wings but with ascendant insignia integrated, is literally just elysian tracers + 5 auric bars?

along with the current stats on seraph tracers:
50% increased running acceleration and greater mobility on ice
Provides the ability to walk on water, honey, and lava
Grants immunity to fire, lava, and harmful block effects

[median scaffold]

Tarragon and Elysian wings are kinda there, but...

I feel like Tarragon are just, better

[crude geode]

Yeah

[median scaffold]

Slap Frog Leg, 100%

[crude geode]

iirc some dev mentioned something about wing bonuses being not tied to sets and being modified a bit

[sand marlin]

Tarragon if you're running tanky, Elysian otherwise. That seems like a good enough alternative to me

Just not any point later

[median scaffold]

You could go "The Fargo's Souls Route" and add boots to Seraph Tracers, but that's a weird and pretty overdone route, especially for Calamity

[sand marlin]

What does that change?

[echo kestrel]

it just makes it so that the insignia seraph tracers w/o wings recipe isn't just elysian + auric bars

[sand marlin]

I don't think that's it

You mean like... add Gravistar Sabaton and other unconnected boots accessories?

[echo kestrel]

oh lmao okay yeah maybe not that

[violet zephyr]

Indeed.

[sand marlin]

Yeah cal's not gonna do that

[crude geode]

God Slayer Hoverboard will never be real

[sand marlin]

They are strictly avoiding "amalgamation of effects"

[violet zephyr]

They're looking into making Wing Bonuses unique instead of stat sticks.

[echo kestrel]

just so we're clear, insignia seraph tracers w/o wings recipe is perfectly fine just being elysian tracers + auric bars? or nah

okay maybe throw some ascendant spirit essences in there like radiance

[sand marlin]

I'm not commenting on that since I'm not seeing the bigger picture here. Do you mean to make Tracers just direct upgrades to boots instead of Wings alternatives?

[echo kestrel]

Basically, yes:

• seraph tracers = elysian tracers + auric bars + ascendant spirt essence
• elysian tracers = celestial tracers + soul of flight, effulgent feather, ruinous soul (basically the recipe for ascendant; effectively removing ascendant insignia)
• celestial tracers = angel treads + soaring insignia

Instead of the post-ml decision being:
wings vs. winged boots

it'll now be:
wings + acc slot vs. boosted wings + boots

[sand marlin]

You can't use boots with tracers

Wait no

That's a bit confusing phrased like that

[echo kestrel]

hmm yeah tried to edit it for clarity

[sand marlin]

Winged boots

[echo kestrel]

there

[sand marlin]

It'd be fine if it was just the concept working out but there's a lot of holes there

[echo kestrel]

oh wait yeah I can remove the acc slot from the first part

[sand marlin]

Firstly, Insignia has no place in there other than being arbitrarily put together to make the line's mechanical functionality work and its thematics are completely off like suddenly growing wings, as well as kinda giving the Insignia line no reason for usage without heavy modification other than minmaxing super hard as soon as you get Celestial Tracers because the way this is worded makes me think its flight bonuses would be better than Angel Treads, something that's already closely competing with Soaring Insignia. Your only solution out of this would be to get Insignia line buffed as it is underpowered currently despite its potential usage.
Lastly, you need a really good reason to change an entire line's purpose as Tracers are really just meant to be boots and wings in one accessory with the downside being lower flight stats and this is just a neat concept that is flawed in enough ways not to be worth it
That's my take on this

[echo kestrel]

That is fair, I did think it would be weird to remove the wings part of the tracers and maintain it still has wings on the sprite, I figured ascendant/soaring would be enough of a stretch for it to grow wings, but i guess not

[echo kestrel]

also sorry can you clarify what's the neat concept--the insignia integration or the current tracer line's purpose as boots & wings in one accessory?

[sand marlin]

Insignia integration

[echo kestrel]

Well, my reason initially was actually just soaring insignia being bad.
admittedly my solution boils down to "oh it's bad? let's make it required then, instead of asking for buffs"

I guess I'm just more optimistic that a creative solution will get more headway rather than suggesting an item needs buffs

Maybe it's a suggestion I'll keep to myself for now, at least until we see what the apparently to-be-buffed soaring insignia looks like
And I'm aware that's a long way off of course, since no future content in suggs

[sand marlin]

Going the other way may have worked if it wasn't cal nerfing the item in the first place

[echo kestrel]

Or rather, if the nerf wasn't as drastic as it is right now

So yeah I see what you mean

In concept it could work but with insignia being as bad as it is right now

[sand marlin]

No, that's not what I was talking about

[echo kestrel]

I'm just bringing down an already contentuous item so the other can at least have some limelight

[sand marlin]

If Insignia was bad not because of cal then you could do that

But cal's taking the responsibility to balance it into place so they should tune it back up if it's necessary, rather than go another way

[echo kestrel]

Ah

So still not a suggestion that'd fly in a post-insignia buff era?

[sand marlin]

Yes

[echo kestrel]

Fair enough

[sand marlin]

Actually no I take that back. If Insignia was strong on its own then you could argue it wouldn't disrupt Insignia line's usage. It doesn't solve any other hole in the idea though

[fossil finch]

#GiveInsigniaInfiflightBack

[median scaffold]

I rewrote my small suggestion and made it thrice as long, uhh...
Anyway, what are your opinions on it?

[oblique otter]

aint reading allat- crushed by 10 tons of weight

[median scaffold]

[distant gyro]

you actually need to stop making suggestions that gets implemented in -1 hour

[median scaffold]

Wait, what

[distant gyro]

#508716631166418950 message

[median scaffold]

[slim cairn]

Shuki banned for having too many good suggestions, heartbreaking

[median scaffold]

That's actually so funny

Yeah, Calcium is changed for the best and is semingly more useful "now"

[distant gyro]

this was a great idea

[gray bone]

just a little bit of speed

[median scaffold]

That's an awesome idea

[slim cairn]

You should allow horizontal collision damage now

[median scaffold]

On my way to be hitted by a random sky island for 3000 damage, because the devs said so:

[ashen warren]

make an add on to infernium that makes everything one shot you

[slim cairn]

Erm

This is calamity mod suggestion chats

[ashen warren]

then make an add on to calamity so everything one shots you

[median scaffold]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2819498996

[ashen warren]

😨

finally a new harder thing I can do 🙏🙏🙏

[echo kestrel]

Ah shit, I forgot Altix said this earlier already when I posted my sugg about KB resistance, mb
#suggestions-discussion message

sorry you had to write all that

[median scaffold]

Well, that's fine. Time to seek for another suggestion to agree with and repost it

[echo kestrel]

[oblique otter]

please no

[echo kestrel]

okay, rearranged my knockback resistance suggestion so it gets straight to the point instead

that and made it short enough so the bot has enough characters lmao

[median scaffold]

I should probably delete my Calcium Potion suggestion, don't I?

[echo kestrel]

well until it gets the 🏁 or is it the 🛠️ maybe not

[distant gyro]

i can do that for you

[royal tapir]

Hi Suggestions Bot

[distant gyro]

empyrean wrath too

[echo kestrel]

womp womp

[median scaffold]

Fair enough

Imagine if I got the power to add anything into the game via #suggestions-posting

[patent marsh]

What does calcium potion try to achieve

[echo kestrel]

healthy bones

[patent marsh]

Real

[median scaffold]

Was (and is on the current version) a cheap way to prevent fall damage
Will be a cheap version of knockback immunity (both literally and figuratively)

[patent marsh]

Awesome

give it faster armor break recovery speed

[golden sonnet]

I assume you mean defense damage

But I don't hate that

[median scaffold]

Armor break sounds pretty, ngl

[golden sonnet]

And already exists

Broken armor is a debuff

[distant gyro]

i think defense damage recovery potion has been mentioned before indev and completely ruled out

[median scaffold]

Too good or useless?

[royal tapir]

Too good for sure

[golden sonnet]

Idk, I feel like a say, 2% faster buildup wouldn't be much

[fossil finch]

Defense damage (dies

[fossil finch]

Yeah but at that point would you really go out of your way to get it

[royal tapir]

Okay but if it's 2% then why even add it at all

[fossil finch]

yeah like

[golden sonnet]

I feel the same way about knockback resistance

[errant wren]

defense damage? just don't get hit

often, at least

[echo kestrel]

ah like, if there's no way to get 100% then why add it at all?

[golden sonnet]

50% doesn't do much and knockback immunity is largely overvalued to begin with.

[fossil finch]

is knockback resistance even real

[distant gyro]

it is

no items do it but its easily introducable

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, the difference between 0 and 50% isn't much, taking any knockback butchers your momentum, but dashes pretty much entirely get around this. At 50% resist you are still losing all your momentum, and still just dashing to ignore it

[echo kestrel]

[distant gyro]

idk i could see use for it like most potions

but for defense damage i just dont think we need another defense adjacent potion not named ironskin

[median scaffold]

Calcium Potions are not hard to get and 50% knockback resistance can safe you once in a while, so I see no problem with that, tbh

[distant gyro]

better suited for accessories i think

[golden sonnet]

Potions are free, so it will still see use as there's no reason not to. I just don't think it's effects will actually matter. It's like using titan potions against bosses with summons that take knockback, is it technically helpful? Yes as it's free. But is it ever going to really make a difference? No imo

[distant gyro]

yeah potions are free and incremental

except the ones that dont and oh well a lot of those are broken

[median scaffold]

I like how Vanilla makes potions too good

[echo kestrel]

yeah sounds about right, but 50% is a start, at least the foot is in the door

[distant gyro]

its never going to be as useful as 100% but its noticeable without a doubt

ive tested ingame and you can definitely feel it

[echo kestrel]

Sweeeeet

[median scaffold]

Time to test it myself (code intensifies, 100%)

[echo kestrel]

So wait, just to confirm, is this written correctly lol

Feasibility
The Player.HurtModifiers struct in tModLoader has a GetKnockback float function, so adding % knockback resistance is technically possible in the game’s engine.

[distant gyro]

honestly i dont even think you need the feasibility part

no one will read it and care

[echo kestrel]

[distant gyro]

but yeah how i added it was just

modifiers.Knockback *= 0.5f;

[fossil finch]

Imagine if feasibility was a thing

Add a hundred enemies
Feasibility: you can add enemies to mods

[wide river]

One billion stars

[distant gyro]

Just make it better

1 billion stars

[echo kestrel]

i mean, i thought adding it would add some credence to the suggestion

[fossil finch]

Nobody would care

And devs already know

[echo kestrel]

okdok

[median scaffold]

...hm

Should I do a suggestion about giving wooden armors the same treatment as pre-HM ores ones?

[dense locust]

peak sugg in posting I think

[echo kestrel]

absolutely

first joke sugg ive seen live

[median scaffold]

Calamity's Vanities in question:

[median scaffold]

Probably not a joke, tho

[near stream]

will there be yarhon plush in game tho

[serene tendon]

Probably just a small child

[median scaffold]

@near stream
Firstly, you need a title for you suggestion for the bot to work properly
Secondly, you should some arguments for why it should be added

[median scaffold]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2824688804

There's a plush for literally every boss

[harsh echo]

I can't belive they turned him into a marketable plushie.

[distant gyro]

pixelated plush is. rough

imo

[median scaffold]

Fair enough, but what can be done else?

[golden sonnet]

Not use pixels and instead import 3d graphics into terraria

[median scaffold]

WoTG treatment, ngl

[distant gyro]

crazy

obtaining a plush in game pushes one out of the screen and gives it to you irl

[wide river]

Something something this mod

[coral carbon]

Is that Knockback Resistance sugg an EES (Extreme Effort Suggestion)?

[distant gyro]

maybe a lot to read but its like

low (possibly mid including balancing)

[median scaffold]

Please, make Frost Barrier give knockback resistance.....

[dense locust]

give frost barrier literally anything

[distant gyro]

i have no idea if frost barrier has any plans ngl

[median scaffold]

I should repost your suggestion, frfr....

[fossil finch]

Why would it be

[golden sonnet]

Remove it. That's a plan

[fossil finch]

Like high efforts suggs are Add 3 biomes

[dense locust]

welcome back to "lets remove x bad item" #3246

[fossil finch]

Its true though

[whole tundra]

Can we remove the starter bag

[fossil finch]

Like yes you could theoretically save and improve every bad item ever but like

[echo kestrel]

conversely i did put high effort into the formatting

[fossil finch]

You don't really Need To

And it is effort that could be spent conceptualizing and implementing new good things instead of trying to fix bad things

[fossil finch]

Do you mean along with its stuff

[golden sonnet]

No your entire inventory just gets filled on Creation

[fossil finch]

Awesome

[golden sonnet]

Surely no issues with other mods that add starting items

[wide river]

The rope is evenly distributed among every open slot in the inventory

[echo kestrel]

including the trash

[golden sonnet]

You should be a dev iirc

[harsh echo]

This teaches the player that you can store things there

[golden sonnet]

True!

[fossil finch]

Actually no since tmod has its own thing to handle those cases

[harsh echo]

what does it do i’m curious

[fossil finch]

Its just a grab bag that contains whatever didn't fit

[near stream]

i am a impulsive individual

[echo kestrel]

that's a paddlin

[echo leaf]

Yeah

[golden sonnet]

oh I forgot about that

tmod W

[echo leaf]

Worst case scenario there’s an item nobody uses

I’d rather have two cool items and one bad item than two cool items

[golden sonnet]

the problem is they aren't cool

so it would be better (imo) to remove some items to make the ones left very cool, than try to make every item cool

maybe I'm just a frost barrier hater

but nothing about it is cool

[fossil finch]

We think its better to have two cool items than two cool items and one bad item reducing the overall quality of the experience thumbs up

[harsh echo]

it’s better to have one bad item

and no cool items

[fossil finch]

at that point why exist

[harsh echo]

dead man’s chests should have echo coating in the traps

[echo leaf]

The Yharon plush is already in-game

It’s in Calamity Vanites

You can even throw it at people

[fossil finch]

Lamalities amities

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/tegu-pet-grab-silly-enjoyment-gif-27617448

[harsh echo]

the

[echo leaf]

YAAAAYYY

[drowsy plank]

@near stream please do not talk in #suggestions-posting and if you want an ingame yharon plush, i suggest you use calamity's vanities

[hollow shell]

Maybe already mentioned but
#suggestions-posting message
Exodium was added simultaneously with the "Future Bosses", the ones spawned via the Soul Artifacts (which were crafted with Exodium)

iirc Noxus was supposed to be involved in this somehow, when it had some inexplicable time travel theme? Hence Exodium being "cold and dark"

Then, yknow
The Future Bosses got removed rather quickly
and Noxus's theme has drifted pretty far from that

So Exodium is a bit of an artifact

[dense ferry]

Exodium has plans surrounding it but

Being real

Chances are it dies

[echo kestrel]

goodbye weird space rock 2

[dense ferry]

I personally think Exodium should stay, but lose all of its Material properties besides maybe Stratus

So it's just

Cool decorative block

[hollow shell]

I would kinda prefer that Exodium be expanded upon or differentiated rather than removed
Cuz Luminite is already extremely widely used

[dense ferry]

To which, it is cool

I think Exodium staying as a flavor rock rather than a weird counterpart to Luminite works fairly well

[echo kestrel]

Is it just an oversight that exodium needs a lunar pickaxe but not luminite?

[dense ferry]

Vanilla stuff

Luminite has no pickaxe requirement in Vanilla because it doesn't spawn naturally anyways

[hollow shell]

We could make Luminite require a high tier pickaxe but there's not much of a need really

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

☝️

[dense ferry]

I think it's unnecessary

[echo kestrel]

why not the opposite though

[glass arch]

the issue with making exodium crafted with luminite and stone is luminite brick exists and has the same recipe

[echo kestrel]

exodium have no pickaxe req

[hollow shell]

Because Exodium doesn't drop from something. It's mined.

[echo kestrel]

fair enough

[hollow shell]

Why does that matter?

This isn't Minecraft, multiple things can have the same recipe

[glass arch]

its really odd to have deco blocks with the same recipe

[dense ferry]

Luminite being available in such large quantities imo is a problem for later, but oh well

[hollow shell]

(It is intentionally this way to cut down on ML refighting)

[dense ferry]

Yeah but like

It's just

[glass arch]

if its like. different quantities than 1 and 5 its fine

[dense ferry]

"Here, have all Luminite you'll ever need"

[echo kestrel]

there's cutting down on ML refighting

and then there's "here's enough luminite for you to shimmer into whatever ore you need in thousands"

(except for cryonic ore)

[dense ferry]

I also just think no material should be available in such quantities and ease, period

I think Deus dropping so many Fragments is a problem, for example

Even if it's perfectly justified

[hollow shell]

Well that issue is caused by the step further above- yeah

Because

[echo kestrel]

I like Deus dropping frags cos it means I don't need to summon the pillars

[hollow shell]

You need that much, for recipes

[dense ferry]

Yeah, it's the one massive drop I may be fine with keeping because I can't think of anywhere else to put it

And subjecting people to farming the Pillars is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704694434964439071/1284577245796634675/cat_gets_splash_stupid_idot.gif

[echo kestrel]

it would be fine if it was just cultist into pillars

but no god no

it's cultist into pillars into ML

[dense ferry]

I will take a massively streamlined progression over the shitshow that is farming Pillars

Honestly, you know what?

[hollow shell]

In Calamity only:

[dense ferry]

I just had a really goofy idea

[hollow shell]

For comparison:

[dense ferry]

What if there were spawners for each Pillar?

[hollow shell]

I think Luminite Bars might be the most widely used single material item in the game?

[echo kestrel]

I think it'd be cleaner if it was one spawner for all four

[median scaffold]

What if Pillars didn't trigger ML at all?

[echo kestrel]

and they all spawn near each other

[hollow shell]

What, you don't like fighting LC?

[median scaffold]

Life Alloy is there, but I guess Luminite still exedes it

[sand marlin]

In vanilla you need 2 bags minimum iIr

[hollow shell]

Not even close

[dense ferry]

See, I don't think so because the Pillars are incredibly time-consuming and if you only need one type Fragment, you'd still have to go kill the other four if you want to get rid of them in your world

[echo kestrel]

i'm fine with refighting LC
it's the buy 1 take 4 package deal that comes with a side of luminite that grinds my gears

[median scaffold]

Deus.

[dense ferry]

Yeah but I think the Deus solution is bad

[median scaffold]

Deus is so handy when it comes to farming fragmants, tbh

[median scaffold]

...and I would agree with that

[hollow shell]

(if you start counting constituents to materials like all fragments plus Galactica Singularities
or all of Life Alloy's bars plus Life Alloy itself
Then yeah they'll probably be higher than Luminite or Cosmilite

But, as just single items, Luminite tops the chart)

[dense ferry]

I'm gonna suggest my crackhead idea on Dev brb

[median scaffold]

Do that, please

[hollow shell]

Add new minibosses that correspond to each pillar, spawnable on their own, instead of spawning the pillars themselves

Give Fab more fights to design :3c

[echo kestrel]

rebecca just so you're aware if you're not already fargo's has a similar spawner, which yeah irrelevant but it does that

[dense ferry]

Y'know what actually this is kinda goated

Having enemies that correspond to each Fragment naturally spawn after Moon Lord

[hollow shell]

HMMM actually yeah

Post-ML has always been hankering for more enemies

((Put them in the Astral Underground so that place gets more purpose
Two birds one stone))

[echo kestrel]

cultist cells

small roaming pilgrimages

[dense ferry]

I think Astral Underground should get its own content rather than just getting the Pillar stuff chucked in

[hollow shell]

Well they could still be Astral-esque enemies

Infected stuff bulging and gorged with their respective fragment

[echo kestrel]

could also be regular mobs supercharged with fragment power

[hollow shell]

That's the idea

[echo kestrel]

i mean not necessarily astral

[hollow shell]

Ah you mean like
stronger variants of enemies throughout the world?

[echo kestrel]

like the pillars aren't localized entirely within your astral infection

yeah stronger variants

so it makes sense some of their madness would infect existing organisms

[west apex]

I don't think I've gone to underground astral once so I would love to have a reason to go there

[hollow shell]

Man how did we get here
This conversation started with Exodium

[echo kestrel]

I really like how the martian probe is a trigger for the event

[hollow shell]

Exodium pillar-themed enemies.........

[echo kestrel]

I wish more things had that sort of trigger

like if the pillar themed minibosses appeared only because you didn't kill the infected mob in time

and now it just bursts into celestial flesh and creates a localized pillar phenomenon on screen

[hollow shell]

That sounds neat

[echo kestrel]

#suggestions-posting message

this is now as concise as I can possibly make it

hopefully i don't get a dozen pings about it when I wake up

[drowsy plank]

i mean... is this not how nearly every other ore works? i mean just look at auric. im not exactly sure what the problem here is? is there an issue if people mine too much aerialite? like?

[dense ferry]

I mean in both ease of access and quantity

You still need to look for those Ores (and in Auric's case, deal with Rejection)

You don't have to look for Luminite

[dense locust]

add big scary space monsters postml

very simple fix

[drowsy plank]

galactica fragments would need to die first, orrrrrrr... considering your pillar summoning idea, i always thought it'd make sense if pillar enemies spawn in the distortion considering im pretty sure that's where they are from or something?

[dense ferry]

Might be a misconception from you

[drowsy plank]

dont really need to look for aerialite any more than luminite; you just go up to the sky islands and it's in the clouds. which is just like luminite and the planetoids

[dense ferry]

But like, even if we did that

The bulk of Fragment usage is Pre Providence

Distortion would be Post CV

[drowsy plank]

mmm that's true i suppose

[dense ferry]

Yeah but there's the part of general mobility and whatnot

[drowsy plank]

maybe there should just be less fragment recipe spam lol

[errant wren]

exodium rejection

[dense locust]

hammers.

[harsh echo]

peak

[errant wren]

i have zero idea what this conversation is about

[dense ferry]

Aerialite is acquired in Mid PHM, where your aerial movement is far worse. It still takes a while to get everything

Luminite you just

Fly up to Space on spawn

Boom

700 Luminite Ore

[drowsy plank]

i mean with aerialite you can make wings and get a shit ton of it

they really, really aren't that different at the end of the day

maybe spread the planetoids out more

idk

[dense ferry]

What wings?

Fledgling is the only wing you can get before Aerialite

[drowsy plank]

wait are skyline post skele?

idr

[dense ferry]

Skyline is

Made

From Aerialite

[echo kestrel]

post evil 2

[dense ferry]

[drowsy plank]

yes

[violet zephyr]

Post Second Evils.

Bones were removed from them quite a while ago now.

[dense locust]

so you grab like 10 bars
make wings
use wings to get rest

[drowsy plank]

^ yeah that

[dense ferry]

Yeah but those 10 bars still require a bit of effort and afterwards it's not just free

[violet zephyr]

I feel like there is a misunderstanding.

[dense ferry]

And like, ok yeah, Aerialite isn't hard to get

No Ore is, really

[drowsy plank]

yeah and you still need to beat moon lord to get luminite and make a luminite pick to get past the exodium walls

so idk what the problem is with luminite just getting the same treatment as any other ore

[wide river]

Hoik

[violet zephyr]

I never make a Luminite Pickaxe because I can just RoD in.

[drowsy plank]

if the planetoids being right above spawn makes it too easy, just... move them??

[violet zephyr]

Saves me time.

[drowsy plank]

fair, but that could be fixed by giving luminite an actual pickaxe requirement too

lol

[violet zephyr]

Momentum Capacitor.

[echo kestrel]

what often surprises me is the abundance of the luminite planetoids

[drowsy plank]

not the point, it's trivial no matter what, we're talking about literally inches worth of difference

if it all being in one spot is too easy just spread it out and you'll have to try at least a little

which is literally just like aerialite rn

[echo kestrel]

5-6 more planetoids than i’ll ever need
and sure can argue its useful for shimmering but that role is already fulfilled by the obscene amount of astral ore that generates

[dense locust]

I propose luminite mimics

[dense ferry]

But we are talking about the fact that beating Moon Lord instantly gives you access to roughly 700 Luminite Ores which all you need to do is make a Lunar Pickaxe (which you can make instantly after killing Moon Lord). By the point of the game you're in, too, the mobility you have also makes it trivial to just go up, mine all that Luminite and never have to worry about it again

[violet zephyr]

The problem isn't how close they are or whatever. The problem is that just one of them is enough for a singleplayer playthrough.

[dense ferry]

Yes, I think that's my main problem

You just get all the Luminite you will ever need in 5 minutes

[drowsy plank]

how is this any different from

literally any other ore spawn

[violet zephyr]

The real solution would be to downsize them by way more than half.

[dense ferry]

Because none of them are quite as condensed as Luminite

[drowsy plank]

so spread it out

maybe make it replace stone in existing planetoids idk

[dense ferry]

You get like, 60 Auric Ore from a normal vein (which, reminder, it requires 60 for one bar)

[echo kestrel]

or have them crash as mini meteorites on the existing planetoids?

[dense ferry]

You get 200 Luminite from one Planetoid

[violet zephyr]

Because they are in an area were you can get to easily in that stage of the game. Unless you have built something in the sky, you can literally just fly up, then use Momentum Capacitor to get to them if they aren't close to spawn.

[drowsy plank]

make the planetoids smaller and more spread out

boom done

[median scaffold]

5 bars*, but most recipes require 5 bars, so it doesn't change anything

[dense ferry]

Ok yeah this is infact a solution

[drowsy plank]

ez

[dense ferry]

Even if imo what should be done in exact terms is

[violet zephyr]

The solution to inflation is just to uninflate.

[dense ferry]

Actually idk

See the problem is that Planetoids are fucking miniscule

So by that point you'd mine out all of them and end up with like

150 Luminite

Which is not even enough to make the Mining Mount

[drowsy plank]

how is this any different from hallowed ore; just spread it out and it's fine!

also wasnt the problem that you could get too much? doesn't that fix it?

[dense ferry]

I think

[drowsy plank]

you can make it generate new small exodium + lumi planetoidsa and replace stone in whatever planetoids remain

that way you still have a reasonable amount

[echo kestrel]

a highlight of my playthroughs is clearing the weird space rocks that now obstruct the upper area of my arena

[violet zephyr]

I often forget Hallowed Ore even exists...

[hollow shell]

The opposite problem to the current situation, then?
So presumably there's a middle ground where it's perfect?

[dense locust]

why dig hallowed ore when destroyer dies in 10 seconds

[violet zephyr]

(Probably due to the exact thing you mentioned. They are too rare and spread out.)

[violet zephyr]

This.

[echo kestrel]

shiny spelunker splendid

[dense ferry]

Either way I think the best way of solving the triviality of getting Luminite (and Uelibloom for that matter) is to make enemies an Actual Threat in Post ML

[drowsy plank]

i already suggested it; you still have naturally generated planetoids and ALSO have some of the stone replaced in the original planetoids. if you guarantee at least a certain amount is generated via an algorithm ur all good

[violet zephyr]

So, we have Hallowed Ore, that is too rare and spread out, where refighting the boss is more valuable
And Luminite, that is too condensed and focused, where you barely spend any time mining.

[echo kestrel]

seeing veinminer work its magic is a shot of dopamine

[violet zephyr]

Two halves of the same coin.

[hollow shell]

If there were enemies in Space that were actually capable of kicking your ass, then that would help matters, yes
Much less trivial if you're fighting for your life

[dense ferry]

See, I like mining Hallowed Ore but I think its generation is wonky

[echo kestrel]

and then there’s cryonic ore

[dense ferry]

I do that because it doubles as Light Soul farming

[errant wren]

luminite/exodium empowered harpies

[drowsy plank]

hallowed ore gen is not helped by hallowed gen itself

fuck the V

[dense ferry]

I'm thankful that, if all goes right

Post Yharon will end up being the only Post ML tier with a mobbing drought

[hollow shell]

If all goes right...

[dense ferry]

Well, I mean more so

If the things I have planned work out

Since yeah, a bunch of Post ML goobers

[hollow shell]

We had PostML enemy plans on a Trello for like 3 years and they never got added

[dense ferry]

Then something for Post Providence

Post Polter and Post DoG has Distortion

And then Post Yharon and Post Exos/SCal end up lacking in enemies, by which I point I think is fine

[drowsy plank]

aerie enemies

[dense ferry]

Might end up having a few but won't exactly fill in the gap

[violet zephyr]

I love standing at the brink of infinity.

[dense ferry]

Yeah, I also think that there being

No enemy that can even pose a threat to you really goes to show how fucking strong you are

Post Yharon? I can see one or two enemies

Post SCal/Exos?

I think there shouldn't be any

[violet zephyr]

I think it would thematically make sense that the only time new enemies wouldn't appear is Post-Yharon.

From then on, you pretty much start fights instead of being chased down.

[dense ferry]

There's probably gonna end up being one

Since Auric is no longer renewable through Crates

[echo kestrel]

would be cool if it gets to a point post-ML where pre-hm / hm bosses start becoming regular mobs but dunno how to fit that thematically

[violet zephyr]

Yharon children.

[dense ferry]

See this is funny

Because it's half

Exos? Yeah, you start

[errant wren]

didn't fargo's souls do this at some point?

[dense ferry]

SCal? She personally seeks you out to fucking maul you

[violet zephyr]

Calamitas is the only exception.

[frail fox]

Auric slime stomps yharon

[echo kestrel]

I…have no idea

[dense ferry]

Which, man

[violet zephyr]

Yharim you fight, Boss Rush we accept the invitation.

[dense ferry]

I REALLY WANTED

I REALLY REALLY REALLY WANTED

FOR SCAL TO BE NATURALLY SPAWNING

[violet zephyr]

Can't say anything about Noxus and Xeroc.

[violet zephyr]

She is here.

[dense ferry]

I fucking cooked with the Eye of Desolation tooltip

[violet zephyr]

It is three words.

[dense ferry]

Yes

And it works

[violet zephyr]

Powerful ones.

[dense ferry]

Honestly what might work is

SCal doesn't naturally start a fight with you

But after killing Yharon

[hollow shell]

(Make it so some enemies start running away from the player instead of trying to fight )

[violet zephyr]

Though, half the time, I can only think of "Peter, the horse is here."

[dense ferry]

She shows up to your doorstep

Hands you the Altar

And just tells you to go meet her

[errant wren]

that sounds like something that would happen at the end of an invasion event

[violet zephyr]

Terrarian, the Calamitas Clone is here.

[echo kestrel]

who the hell starts a conversation by handing them an altar

[violet zephyr]

You don't?

[dense ferry]

Look, we have to conform by Terraria

[frail fox]

Why doesn't Calamitas just kill you immediately? Is she stupid?

[dense ferry]

My interpretation of how the thing actually goes is

"We are fighting now, choose the place"

[hollow shell]

The start of God of War 2018

[dense ferry]

[echo kestrel]

Just curious, what’s stopping the altar from just generating somewhere

[dense ferry]

To me the Altar is just a convenience because we're modding for Terraria

If I had it my way, there'd be no Altar

She would show up at your doorstep, start the fight there, and when you wanted to rematch her you just say "hey let's go fight in the backyard"

[hollow shell]

(or one of my favorite moments from Mob Psycho 100
https://tenor.com/view/sho-shou-sho-suzuki-shou-suzuki-suzuki-gif-26209728
https://tenor.com/view/sho-sho-suzuki-shou-shou-suzuki-suzuki-gif-26209748
)

[violet zephyr]

You should change it to a plastic lawn chair. Yes, that one.

[echo kestrel]

I mean the codebreaker was definitely something novel

[dense ferry]

Oh no

[hollow shell]

Probably wouldn't go over well cuz the whole point is for you to set a nice place to put your arena

[hollow shell]

yeah

[dense ferry]

And yeah, most importantly this

The way I view it, this interpretation works more as

Vegeta and Goku, y'know?

How Goku takes Vegeta somewhere else for them to fight

Yeah, you're taking Calamitas somewhere else to fight

[echo kestrel]

Is it a limitation on tMod’s part that the scal arena can’t spawn above the altar instead of around it?

[hollow shell]

"Let's fight somewhere empty" meme

[hollow shell]

?

[dense ferry]

I also don't get it

[hollow shell]

No it could be defined to do that instead

Fight's kinda designed around it being in the center but I guess some stuff could be moved around

[slim cairn]

The real fix is making RoD a pml item, surely

[echo kestrel]

Yeah so if the altar generated somewhere it could just spawn above instead of around…? Maybe I’m not getting something lmao

[hollow shell]

What would be the point of it spawning naturally?

[dense ferry]

PEAK sugg

[hollow shell]

@orchid axle Don't. verbal warn

[dense ferry]

Yeah, like

[orchid axle]

ok

[dense ferry]

The entire point is that the Altar is more or less a convenience with no real explanation in the story

[echo kestrel]

Ah

[dense ferry]

It's just a demarcation of where you wish to fight SCal, after she invites you to fight her

[echo kestrel]

guess I misunderstood the purpose of it

[slim cairn]

Every day after beating yharon she spawns like a mech boss

[echo kestrel]

I figured it would just help narratively if the altar generated somewhere instead

[violet zephyr]

Do you mean this?

[echo kestrel]

eeyup pretty much

[hollow shell]

s'cuz the SCal spawn item used to be a regular click-to-use boss summoner
With the same square arena

And it was sometimes annoying having to go stand in the exact same spot or else your arena preparations would be misaligned by one or two tiles

So it was changed to be an unmoving placeable object instead

[dense ferry]

The only problem with this whole idea is that

Events in Terraria!

They are hard to work!

Because you have to account for players doing dumb shit!!

[echo kestrel]

so no chance in hell scal’s getting a subworld no

[hollow shell]

((careful with the word "events" cuz that typically means invasions or moons))

[dense ferry]

I think the easiest way of making this work is that SCal would spawn near your spawnpoint after you use a Magic Mirror to go back, and while she's there, you can't leave the general vicinity until you talk to her

[violet zephyr]

"Things happening in the world"

[dense ferry]

The problem is

What if the player never uses Magic Mirror (or similar)

[hollow shell]

That would actually be cool
She's just there

"hey mother fucker"

[violet zephyr]

You'll notice every time there is a "thing happening in the world" in Vanilla, there is a message.

[echo kestrel]

any pylon too maybe

or any death

[dense ferry]

Ok, Death sounds like the best

[violet zephyr]

The Travelling Merchant is here, a Meteorite fell, the Dungeon something something, I forgot the exact wording.

[slim cairn]

Pylon im p sure you can disable

[violet zephyr]

Pylons can be disabled indeed.

[dense ferry]

I think that if we save it as

"Returning to spawn through any means"

[echo kestrel]

how often do you die post-yharon

[violet zephyr]

Yes.

[dense ferry]

It's stupidly hard for people to never come across it

[echo kestrel]

pre-scal/exos

[violet zephyr]

It can just be being close enough to Calamitas triggers it.

[dense ferry]

Not necessarily just Post Yharon

[hollow shell]

It could just be when next you go to spawn
You get an effect similar to The Tongue dragging you towards her

A Sepulcher hand

"We are talking. Now."

[violet zephyr]

And she makes a border, like in the boss fight, so you cannot leave.

[dense ferry]

Like

If you fought Exo Mechs

Died

And respawned

She'd be there

[violet zephyr]

"Why does Calamitas only appear after you die in Post-Yharon? Is respawning canon???"

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[dense ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704694434964439071/1284577245796634675/cat_gets_splash_stupid_idot.gif

[violet zephyr]

Is this what you want to bring forth?

Thought so.

[dense ferry]

Kills you

[violet zephyr]

I am sorry that I can predict the future.

[echo kestrel]

rebecca how does this work for hardcore

[hollow shell]

magic mirror
or pylons

[violet zephyr]

It won't!

:D

[hollow shell]

or this

[dense ferry]

Returning to spawn in general makes her spawn

Death is just one of the ways to do it

[echo kestrel]

Ah

[dense ferry]

Magic mirror (and similars), death, resetting spawn point, etc

[hollow shell]

(The programmers would need to have some checks to make sure that SCal actually can spawn near the spawn point and put you in a place where you can talk to her
And not like, wedge you in the weird gears of your base build

But that's a problem for a later time)

[dense ferry]

Yeaaaah

I think it'd require a lot of fine tuning to make it not have weird edge cases, but

[violet zephyr]

Perhaps having access to the to Space could work?

[dense ferry]

It'd be worth it imo

[hollow shell]

Access to what?

[dense ferry]

Would make SCal just look 20 times cooler

[violet zephyr]

I was

Going to say top of the world

But changed mid-sentence due to a potential problem with that (Planetoids).

[echo kestrel]

more on scal appearing,

is she supposed to intimidate?

cause intrigue like “we have aligned interests but i don’t know if you’re ready.”?

or “you have to stop.”?

[hollow shell]

It would.
It'd be an experience players are very much not used to in Terraria.

[dense ferry]

Girl literally shows up to your doorstep, says "you, me, fight" and fucks off

[dense ferry]

SCal comes to kill you because she's afraid you'll just be Yharim 2

[dense ferry]

On another note I wanted to actually do something with Cal Clone

Where it actually naturally spawns at your doorstep and starts the fight with you straight up

[violet zephyr]

Saying "You, me, fight" runs in the family.

[dense ferry]

Tho I'd probably make that a one time event if it ever happened

[violet zephyr]

Catastrophe did it to his targets, and Cataclysm did it to his boxing opponents.

They all said "You, me, fight" prior to a fight.

[echo kestrel]

okay but why doesnt she kill you just then? code of honor?

or, unfortunately terraria logic?

[dense ferry]

That way it's both a one time cool jumpscare of a Boss spawning at you

And, honestly?

It'd feel fucking cathartic to win that

[dense ferry]

Terraria Logic and just that, well

99% of players make their spawnpoints near their NPCs

[violet zephyr]

If we implement this idea with her spawning at world spawn, this would mean they are in an area that is most likely a town. And Calamitas has had enough with hurting innocent people.

[echo kestrel]

that’s fair

[dense ferry]

SCal, obviously

Doesn't want to fucking kill your NPCs

[echo kestrel]

Ah so it’s a
“You. Me. Fight.”
looks around
“…but not here.”

[dense ferry]

Yeah, more or less

[echo kestrel]

It’d be neat too if the altar refused to work if it was x blocks in range of a town

With scal berating you from beyond for putting innocents in danger as a response

[echo kestrel]

honestly this happening then followed later by scal doing it too but faking out because she has morals is a fantastic setup

[dense ferry]

Yeah, that was my main intention behind it

[echo kestrel]

though the calclone and scal’s sprites would have to have some similarity first so the player would at least get a “WHAT SHE’S BACK?” sorta deal

[dense ferry]

I don't think so tbf, since imo the main shock is seeing the monster in front of you with Cal Clone

And when SCal shows up, there's the clear contrast between the monster and her, while the lingering dread of the same thing happening is still there

It's the fact the game has set a precedent for those kinds of things happening. What's telling you it won't do it again?

[echo kestrel]

Ah, subverting the mechanic that most bosses announce their coming a la terraria logic

[dense ferry]

Also if you pay attention to color scheme (or hover the name over the NPC lmao) you'd still get the dread of

"Oh my God it's the actual Calamitas now"

[echo kestrel]

It’s gonna be real fun telling new players who ask “how do I fight supreme calamitas?”

“Wait.”

[dense ferry]

Basically, I think the strength of doing this is setting up the encounter with the actual Calamitas

This was her Clone

[echo kestrel]

It definitely works

Hope it comes to fruition

[serene tendon]

And why would she think that? Just paranoia?

[worthy lintel]

you're the second being she witnesses ascend to power by killing killing killing

[patent marsh]

ptsd mostly

[lucid marsh]

Good idea but I also wonder what the deal with the clone is in terms of personality

[frozen hornet]

Secret!

[grave zinc]

@round ravine - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it so that the Zenith requires a Cosmic Anvil to be crafted]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[idle dagger]

Oh hey cool a freebie

[harsh echo]

it's strange how it only needs a HM anvil in vanilla

[lucid marsh]

Well, the HM anvil is the last anvil in vanilla, so it makes sense

There's the ancient manipulator, but that's more for the celestial stuff

[harsh echo]

Hmmm

perhaps good point

[hollow verge]

the providence in the room:

funny enough another server im in was debating this exact topic

how ancient manipulator feels like it's not supposed to be an anvil upgrade, but cal uses it like that anyway

[harsh echo]

needs some kind of
Luminite Anvil.

This is a good idea, trust me.

[echo leaf]

Luminite is so ancient, so maybe it can be called something like that.

And anvils are sooooo last millenium. Why not something that represents how versatile it is? Some kinda manipulator...

[harsh echo]

Shrimple: Make ancient manipulator be crafted with the lunar fragments and HM Anvil. Now you cannot say that it is not an anvil upgrade.
Also fixes the drop bloat from cultist! (Who needs multiple of them.)

[echo leaf]

The same update should include Lunatic Cultist treasure bags, too!!

[grave zinc]

@dense locust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Merge empyrean wrath and emyprean rage into one buff]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[dense locust]

yipeee

which one died

I wonder

[grim tusk]

Rage

Wrath had cooler sprite

[dense locust]

I see

[harsh echo]

🎉

[hollow shell]

epic

[novel belfry]

i think empyrean armor should have a more interesting gimmick than just "Get a stat boost under 50% hp/getting hurt and fire extra projectiles on enemy hits"

[dense locust]

I mean nebulas gimmick is litterally "more stats" so yknow

[novel belfry]

i mean, but that has a twist of being more supportive, in the sense that those can transfer to other players

yeah that is a thing

[lucid marsh]

that seems reductive

sure, you get more stats, but you get them in an interesting way

[novel belfry]

In multiplayer, any player can pick up these booster items and benefit from their buffs, even if they are not wearing Nebula armor. Additionally, picking up a booster item will grant nearby players (within a 43.75-tile radius) one instance of the buff. If the player acquiring the booster is on a team, only other players within that team will obtain the buff; otherwise, unaffiliated players will spread the buff to all other nearby players upon obtaining a booster.

-Terraria wiki.gg

thats insanely cool btw

[echo kestrel]

damn that was fast
altix wasnt kidding when they sniped my sugg lol

[novel belfry]

LMAO

HAHA

[hollow shell]

I was just about to comment yeah lol
"That was fast!"

You don't think that sugg will conflict with this one / be redundant?
#suggestions-voting message

[hollow verge]

am i allowed to sugg deleting photo potions yet or do i gotta wait for sso

[hollow shell]

I do fully agree with the sugg though, Empyrean set bonus is woefully uncreative and boring, compared to the vanilla lunar armors

[hollow shell]

What's happening in SSO regarding them?

[hollow verge]

they're being completed shed so their only effect is +5 more hp when you collect a heart

[wide river]

474 - Photosynthesis Potions no longer boost life regeneration. - Done ✅

[hollow verge]

i want to know if i should wait for update or if i can sugg it now

[hollow shell]

It would still be fine to suggest, wouldn't conflict

However, if your reasoning is based on the fact that they'll be really weak in SSO, then no you cannot suggest that

because you're only supposed to make suggestions based on the current playable mod

[hollow verge]

yeah my reasoning is based on the changes incoming, not how they are now. so, i'll wait. thanks for the answer /gen

[hollow shell]

👍

[novel belfry]

i mean byeah

[hollow shell]

The reason for this rule being that anything in #changelogs is still subject to change
The devs could still be working with Photo potions and giving them a new effect that makes em good again, thus rendering a suggestion to buff them irrelevant before the update even releases

[echo kestrel]

yeah based on the chatter in #calamity-update-talk there’s more to be done to photo

so just wait n see

[glass arch]

i mean even then

[umbral gazelle]

minor spelling mistake

[glass arch]

suggesting something about unreleased content is

kinda not great to do

[hollow shell]

yeah indeed but that's one of the main reasons
changelogs still being WIP

[glass arch]

like say when the exo mechs got added in changelogs i suggested to make them the source of exodium as a moon lord and luminite alt

[novel belfry]

lmao

[glass arch]

i dont know shit about exo mechs

like with stuff in changelogs chances are you dont know shit about it

like with the most recent changelog batch as an example

i dont know shit about the galactus blade rework

so if i suggested to make it faster (spitballing here but its to make a point (the point doesnt need to be made)) it wouldnt make sense

[hollow shell]

indeed.

[royal tapir]

Empyrean armor 💔

[grim tusk]

there is plans for it iirc

[grim tusk]

wtf does QoH have to do with this
should have been "Minor Spelling Mistake I demand ".jpeg

[hollow shell]

obligatory question
Plans, or Plans™️?

[grim tusk]

the latter probably, given that summoner should be the priority atm

[hollow shell]

I see. 'Preciate the honesty.

[novel belfry]

okay i see

[echo kestrel]

still in awe it got to voting

[median scaffold]

So many good suggestions, what....

[lucid marsh]

Someone should make a dozen bad suggestions so that more of them can get in

[sand marlin]

I guess you are doing that now

[hollow shell]

Hmm

Okay yeah this is a post-Polter accessory, and Tarragon & Elysian Wings have 4.17 and 4 seconds of flight time respectively
More, in fact, if you have the acc equipped, because it grants +30% fight time

So the 4 seconds of infinite flight is worse than just... landing, to refresh your flight time

40 second cooldown.

[sand marlin]

Infinite flight does refresh your flight

So it's more like 8 seconds unconditionally if you activate it

[hollow shell]

Ah okay that helps

Yeah that helps a lot actually

Hm

[sand marlin]

Oh it's about 12s total if you activate it on low flight time

Before, during, after

[hollow shell]

Quite true quite true

I feel like this suggestion needs better reasoning
Both, with the above in mind
and
Because it is dipping into reference sugg territory.

It doesn't really explain why the proposed solution would be better other than it being "interesting" and a closer reference to Rain World.

[lucid marsh]

The item is already a reference

But uh fair. I'll think about it

[sand marlin]

The accessory's sigil is a reference to the Saint's Attunement mechanic from the survival platform game Rain World. The Ascendant Insignia's sound effects were carried over from the same game.

[hollow shell]

We've overruled suggestions before for expanding on existing references

[sand marlin]

I didn't know it was a reference actually

[hollow shell]

Do you know how many Murasama launch sheath suggestions we've had to reject

(I don't think it was that many but it was enough to be a problem)

[lucid marsh]

I don't really have a reason besides "it's less boring than doubling your wing time"

[hollow shell]

(tripling, if you use it right)

[sand marlin]

I think the accessory just in general does need some buffs

[lucid marsh]

Still

Yeah like, it went from this awesome symbol of yharim and near ultimate melee accessory, to just...

Funny flight and reference thing I'm never using

[echo kestrel]

[lucid marsh]

To be clear, I didn't make this suggestion bad on purpose, but I made it knowing it didn't have good odds, since I might as well

[sand marlin]

I wouldn't change how it is personally, I'd just say its base stats need a bit more and maybe Ascension can also buff flight speed or something.
Flight time buff is definitely necessary but I'm not as sure on the acceleration. There's also the alternative of making Insignia line more of an aerial Magiluminescence type accessory which is interesting

[hollow shell]

Do we think we could get away with suggesting Magiluminescence to Ascendant Insignia
To make it significantly improve your aerial acceleration, and more importantly, deceleration

Make all wings act more like Celestial Starboard

[hollow shell]

damn it, sniped

[lucid marsh]

Oh, that would be good. I'd like that

[sand marlin]

Raesh had this sugg at some point yeah

[hollow shell]

Oh they did?

[sand marlin]

@golden sonnet

[echo kestrel]

first gotta make sure cele starboard is working correctly

[sand marlin]

I don't remember if they submitted one but the idea was around

[lucid marsh]

It also grants light and Regen I think?

[hollow shell]

Yep there it is
#suggestions-voting message

I feel like that's worth pursuing

It does end up making it more similar to Saint's ability from Rain World due to the improved aerial control

without requiring you to say that the purpose is making it similar

And you could even make the argument that it would help for the next immediate boss in progression, The Devourer of Gods
Because the laser walls require you to perform precision movement, to stop and stay in one place

Decel would help a lot

[echo kestrel]

Can see that yea

[lucid marsh]

Good idea

Want to make the improved suggestion?

[hollow shell]

... sure

One sec

[lucid marsh]

Sorry, I can if you're busy

[sand marlin]

When will these days be back...

[gray bone]

thank you for the awesome emoji

[lucid marsh]

Is it just me, or are the downsides of enchantments always worse than the upsides? Who actually uses Aflame and the like?

[sand marlin]

Aflame is free with Radiance

[lucid marsh]

Except for resentful and bloodthirsty

At least one of those are basically always good

Oh, I guess some of them are good

Wait, radiance?

Let me see...

[gray bone]

hellbound can do great work

[lucid marsh]

Ooh

Ok, these are actually way better than I thought, I just misunderstood them

You have to build around them carefully

[echo kestrel]

[gray bone]

[hollow shell]

ok how's this

Add Magiluminescence to Ascendant Insignia.

Ascendant Insignia is a post-Polterghast accessory, which grants speed and flight buffs, and has an activated ability that grants infinite flight for 4 seconds. Around that point in progression, wings have a maximum flight time of about 4 seconds.
The infinite flight also refreshes your flight time, so using it will always at least double your flight time, or if you use it after fully expending your flight, even triple your total flight time...
For a single flight. On a 40 second cooldown.

In reality, the buffs provided are not very significant, and even its defining ability doesn't do that much more than simply landing or hooking something can provide, which is very easy to do if you have any kind of arena set up. Especially considering you'd have Bobbit Hook by that point too.
At that point post-ML, what do you need a one-time continuous 12 second flight for?

Do you know what is at that point post-ML? The Devourer of Gods. Do you know what The Devourer of Gods has? Laser walls.
What do you need to do to avoid the laser walls? Stop dead in place and stay still. What helps you slow down to stop in place and improve precision control? Deceleration.
What accessory is notable for granting deceleration?
Magiluminescence.

Magi, a Pre-Hardmode accessory, grants much more significant movement speed buffs than Ascendant Insignia, greatly improving the player's control. And it currently is not part of any accessory lines in Calamity.
If Magi were incorporated into Ascendant Insignia, with its effects expanded into aerial control instead of just grounded, it would effectively give any wing the tight mobility of Celestial Starboard!
Ascendant Insignia would have a much more useful niche and obvious purpose than it does now, that being a tool to help with the DoG fight as well as any other moments which require aerial precision... on top of making it much more fun to use.

I feel like I'm a bit too wordy sometimes...

[gray bone]

conciseness is hard

[echo kestrel]

[gray bone]

90% of things i write end up being excessively wordy, even if it works in my favour sometimes if it's a creative piece

overall though i think this is a good idea
considering that you have bobbit hook available at this stage, a dedicated flight time refresh is less valuable than ever in my opinion

[echo kestrel]

cutting fat is probably my favorite thing about writing

[gray bone]

giving it something like this would definitely help i think

[echo kestrel]

i like editing
i hate writing LMAO

[gray bone]

i'm fine with editing but i love writing

i hate word limits

even if they're very sensible

[echo kestrel]

i love word limits

they’re like a challenge

it’s like true melee but for writing

[hollow shell]

True

Bobbit Hook.

[echo kestrel]

lemme give this a shot

[gray bone]

but why challenge myself when i can go on a four hundred word tangent about the the fact that this specific noun and this specific adjective are in this specific sentence 💔

[echo kestrel]

unfortunately it will sound very much like me

[hollow shell]

Go ahead

[lucid marsh]

I love it

[hollow shell]

I was not inclined to post this suggestion myself

[lucid marsh]

But I think it should still also do the mount flight thing maybe

[hollow shell]

I also think that would be a cool idea but I don't know if we can support that particular idea enough without acknowledging Rain World

[sand marlin]

I uh, wasn't advocating for Magi integration actually. It doesn't need Magi to do any of this either. It already has accel itself, decel wouldn't be out of the question

[hollow shell]

Indeed it could just get decel on its own

However

I felt like Magi was a natural fit, and incorporating it like this has a degree of elegance to it, like pieces coming together,

and also

I like Magi. I cannot play without it anymore.

It's cheap to craft
So if I could get it added to like two or three acc lines then I would be happy

[sand marlin]

I mean it doesn't stop you from using it on endgame

Because it is very well viable

[hollow shell]

(I recognize that that'd be mobility creep)

[sand marlin]

Moreso just that it doesn't exactly have a use case lategame outside of maybe mayhem

[hollow shell]

Exo Mayhem?

[lucid marsh]

Who in their right mind is using ascendant Insignia now?

[sand marlin]

Yes

[lucid marsh]

It does not matter if it's mobility creep, no one is using an accessory slot for some extra flight time

[sand marlin]

Me when I want flight time, so sometimes

[distant gyro]

i equally like the idea of magi being in statis belt ngl

[sand marlin]

I don't find it fitting in either line if I'm being honest

[hollow shell]

Right yeah part of why I wouldn't feel super confident posting my suggestion is

I literally have not used Ascendant Insignia. I'm talking out of my ass and just taking y'all's words for it.

[sand marlin]

When you use it on DoG it's like

[hollow shell]

That'd fit.

[sand marlin]

You notice you're slightly faster which makes outflying DoG kinda free, and the flight time is pretty good because your flight time is cut by extreme gravity or whatever that version is called

It doesn't have decel so it's bad for laser walls kinda actually

[echo kestrel]

Add Magiluminescence to Ascendant Insignia for Better Control

The Ascendant Insignia is a post-Polterghast accessory with speed and flight boosts, plus a 4-second infinite flight on a 40-second cooldown. Yet, it offers little advantage at this stage when wings provide similar or longer flight times, and players can easily reset flight by landing or hooking.

Adding Magiluminescence’s deceleration and speed boosts to Ascendant Insignia would give players precise aerial control—essential for challenges like the Devourer of Gods’ laser walls—a boss that becomes available around the same time this accessory does. This change would make the Ascendant Insignia a valuable, engaging tool for high-mobility fights and improve its overall effectiveness in the late game.

[hollow shell]

Extreme Gravity is correct yeah

[hollow shell]

Alright cool, got that right

[lucid marsh]

I know what it does and would never use it in its current state, I think that's good reasoning

[hollow shell]

That is definitely a more concise summation of the points. Good work

[echo kestrel]

i just scrolled up

whoops may have been a bit late to the changes lol

[hollow shell]

I kinda liked the confrontational questioning thing I had going on though

[echo kestrel]

I told you it would sound like me

i have a habit of sounding very matter of fact in my suggs

[gray bone]

strikethrough formatting

[hollow shell]

I feel like you would do well in a business setting, rooksby

[hollow shell]

Something about the way that last sentence is phrased

[echo kestrel]

i don't know how to feel about that

[hollow shell]

[echo kestrel]

I may have had a few too many business/marketing classes in college

[hollow shell]

HEH

[distant gyro]

hey i do the same

[echo kestrel]

suggs basically are PSAs for the shareholders (voters)

[lucid marsh]

Smh

[violet zephyr]

uhh

i thought magiluminescence only affects grounded movement?

[echo kestrel]

welllllllll i may have condensed the two to imply a boost of sorts to wing movement

[violet zephyr]

also acceleration bonuses also act as deceleration bonuses, so soaring insignia, and therefore ascendant, does give increased deceleration

[echo kestrel]

[hollow shell]

I do not think this is true at all

Okay "at all" may be an exaggeration but Magi and Starboard are definitely unique for their deceleration

[sand marlin]

This would only be true if you are moving the reverse direction, which does not work as well as deceleration in any case

[violet zephyr]

ah

ye this effect

[sand marlin]

It's mostly why Drew's are preferred to Seraph because you'd have to execute rather precisely to achieve the same level of control

[violet zephyr]

it helps with turning around not actually decelerating then

[hollow verge]

bringing up dogs laser walls is a dead argument bc of the nerfs to it. id find a new example

anything tht buffs how pathetic insignia is now tho, i agree with

[fossil finch]

is it a dead argument because of the nerfs

like it still is a grid you need precise positioning to dodge

that wont change

[hollow verge]

dont rly need precise movement to dodge

the lasers move slower

[fossil finch]

speed doesn't matter so long they still are timed as to box you in from all sides

[hollow verge]

it does kinda matter bc u dint need as quick od reaction time to get into a box

[sand marlin]

We don't really know how slow they would be so not much of a point thinking of the future update and it still matters even if it's slower

[fossil finch]

thats a different thing though

[hollow verge]

either way it cant hurt to have a diff example

[sand marlin]

There aren't any other examples as far as I know

It's valid enough

[fossil finch]

scal technically

[sand marlin]

Old Duke would be more of a flight time buff example

[sand marlin]

Drew's is excellent for SCal so I'm not really sure how Insignia would play into that

[fossil finch]

fair

[sand marlin]

I guess I should try it out at some point

I just never consider it because it's practically tuned on point

Also the reason why Seraph Tracers is worse because going farther than Drew's on accel is passing that line

Have you ever had a moment with Celestial Starboard where you just end up stopping too early than you would think with normal momentum I'm thinking of that with this

[echo kestrel]

tbh im literally just condensing rover’s original sugg

i asked permission to do it

#suggestions-discussion message

[drowsy plank]

@echo leaf i think i remember hearing that was intentional or something?

[idle dagger]

The wiki states radiance negates wither also

Is aflame free? Being afflicted with a debuff gives you 5 hp/s life regen (which is just better since aflame inflicts 3.5 d/s) but it also says it gets rid of natural life regen
How much natural life regen does radiance give?

I don’t actually know since it just says “massively boosts natural life regen”