suggestions-discussion

[shrewd topaz]

i do hope she has some interaction with the tax collector/ guide tho

[wide river]

We'll just have to wait and see, since I don't know when that'll be done

[grave zinc]

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[fossil finch]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be

[oblique otter]

It has received enough

[fossil finch]

Well first of all

They should be saving their state whenever you leave a world

So that's like a bug

But also yeah they should be toggle off not toggle on

[median scaffold]

[drowsy plank]

steal

lmao

anyway

@vocal pulsar not the purpose of this channel; only for suggestions about the game

[vocal pulsar]

oh okay

[vocal pulsar]

...

[drowsy plank]

it's a very rouge vs. rogue coded mistake

[hollow verge]

did the TM shellphone ingredients shimmer sugg not pass voting or was it not in the bracket.... grumbles as i take out a calender

[vocal pulsar]

i was just writing fast and didnt realise

[hollow verge]

i think it just didnt get in. sad!

[drowsy plank]

F

[hollow verge]

F

it got over 100 so i figured it was a shoo in

it was 1 off from beating skynamite

[echo leaf]

Skynamite

[gray bone]

i think i've crafted about eight skynamite ever

[fossil mural]

Wtf is a skynamite

[gray bone]

dynamite that goes up like a helium balloon

wait i think i lied

yeah i lied it just isn't affected by gravity

[gray bone]

perhaps i overestimated this figure given that i completely misremembered how it works

[echo leaf]

I've used over 10,000 skynamite in this world alone

I love it so much

And you should too

[gray bone]

why skynamite when bone pickaxe + mining potion + ancient chisel + full mining set + food buff?

[fossil mural]

• some mining bone dust thing from fargos + cake 😉

[fossil finch]

Onyx Excavator Drill:

[echo leaf]

It doesn't break walls

Walls are so much more fucking obnoxious to break than blocks

[golden sonnet]

Rocket launcher:

[echo leaf]

Hardmode item

Skynamite is delightfully and comfortably pre-boss

[fossil mural]

City Buster bomb

[echo leaf]

It's like sticky dynamite but you can put it anywhere

[echo leaf]

Fairly sure that also doesn't break walls

[gray bone]

make pumpler destroy tiles

[echo leaf]

Plus it's too big >:(

[fossil mural]

i think city buster does

[gray bone]

it doesn't iirc

[fossil mural]

ive used it to clear space for mob farms maybe i just got lucky with walls

[echo leaf]

maybe

I always use the same arena and I once tried to use a city buster to make it but the bomb's dimensions are larger than the arena's

[harsh echo]

stainless steal 🔥

[median scaffold]

I feel you

[umbral gazelle]

galvanized square steal

[harsh echo]

eco-friendly wood venear

[drowsy plank]

wow i
forgot about that
i remember when it used to use aerialite ore still lmao

[echo leaf]

if skynamite required aerilate I'd probably be ten times more miserable

[fleet grotto]

this suggestion kinda bad

but hey i've made worse

(if you really want wulfrum enemies to be nonexistent, use any good summon)

[sleek turret]

is it that necessary

is it really that necessary on God for real

[fossil finch]

honestly if they were properly designed we'd say no

Solely on principle

Still not necessary but like sure whatever

[sleek turret]

You can always craft zen or calming potions or get the peace candles or whatever for building

[fossil mural]

I disagree with the notion that wulfrum enemies "remain a threat"

Beyond pre boss they barely even touch you noticably

[sleek turret]

they're dust at practically any point after that

especially with like, weapons in general decimating enemies in miliseconds later in progression

[ashen warren]

W

[fossil mural]

I feel like that goes against the flavor and intent of the weapons

Kinda part of their whole existence and differentiation from other gear

[dense locust]

"flavor and intent" when "making the gameplay undeniably better" walks in

[drowsy plank]

ture

charge is such a nothing mechanic

[dense locust]

if your way of differentiating from other gear is a reason not to use the weapon, is that really a good thing?
its not even like true melee weapons where the downside makes sense and there can be an actual risk-reward
its just "a normal weapon, but you have to go home to charge it after x time of using it"

[fossil mural]

fair enough i guess

it doesnt matter because its not a difficult or novel task to charge them, so maybe that aspect can just go away

just more menuing at the end of the day if i think about it

less menu gameplay would be better

[echo leaf]

yeah unfortunately the charge mechanic is not well utilized

[sleek turret]

it's really bad for weapons but I think it could very work out in other stuff maybe

that isn't related to combat

[dense locust]

exo drill containment unit

[crude geode]

It’s lame because there’s nothing else you do with charge

It’s essentially just weapon durability

[echo leaf]

I suggested a while ago that maximum charge be reduced and the overall power of charging weapons be increased to turn Arsenal weapons into limited-use powerhouses like the RE guns of the past

But that got shot down

[north oracle]

Because you could bring like 10 of them and suffer no negative effects I assume?

[inland saddle]

SuggBot may be going down for a minute

[north oracle]

Goodbye suggbot

[echo leaf]

Yep

[inland saddle]

Okay hopefully is back up now

Wait

[drowsy plank]

@serene spruce this is the channel for discussion; dont post messages in #suggestions-posting

[serene spruce]

oh gee

mb

i mean

coulda let me copy what i wrote but

alr

[high rain]

my suggestion got an ❗ but there's no ping or reason...?

...?

[lucid marsh]

People have suggested it already and it has been rejected, sadly. I am absolutely the biggest hater of weapon charge.

[fathom sequoia]

someone should make an addon that removes it

[lucid marsh]

Charge is a horrible mechanic that never should have existed

[high rain]

Really? thats kinda dumb.
Yeah let's just make a bunch of weapons that are anoying to use, for no reason

[lucid marsh]

I bet it only exists because it looks cool mechanically

[fathom sequoia]

Charge literally makes me avoid the arsenal weapons completely

[lucid marsh]

Same here

[fathom sequoia]

very unneeded feature imo

[high rain]

Yep

[errant wren]

maybe suggest it to be less of a nothing but i can't guarantee that'll work

[echo leaf]

get Dragonlens and then tweak the weapon charge values to disable charge

[fathom sequoia]

i feel like a way to rework charge would to make it so the arsenal weapons would have different attacks based on how much charge is left, could make it interesting without removing it entirely

[fathom sequoia]

will do, thanks

[echo leaf]

The non-summon weapons deal less damage at low charge values

[errant wren]

effort or something

[high rain]

I made an edit already, make the crafting recepies take like thousand of power cells to make
Like, form the star of the game you can get the cell generatos, I have like 5 of them with 6k cells on each

[echo leaf]

50%> begins to reduce damage

[fathom sequoia]

this part specifically is why charge is so annoying

[high rain]

great, another reason to come back home and waste my time charging

[fathom sequoia]

like why would i use a weapon that starts dealing less damage mid bossfight

[errant wren]

there's no way it depletes that fast

[high rain]

not even mid boss fight, they last enough... if you win
if you die though, you need to recharge

[fathom sequoia]

it doesnt, but i dont go recharge it after every bossfight, so it would eventually go down below 50%

[high rain]

do mods read this chat?

[lucid marsh]

Sometimes yes

[dense locust]

ik cog does

idk about others

[errant wren]

i feel like that's vaguely the point

[fathom sequoia]

im saying its another one of the many inconveiniences of charge

i dont like the charge mechanic as a whole

[errant wren]

i'm not saying it's great either

[high rain]

there's no way they think this charge thing is fine, c'mom
if they do, they never used the weapons, which is a even bigger reason of why it's a problem

[fathom sequoia]

instantly flagged 😭

[high rain]

It's rigged then

some mod must like wasting time

[echo leaf]

he is watching

[fossil finch]

thats not a mod thats congrats

hi congrats (he sreading

[high rain]

cool, have a nice day my man
bye

[fossil finch]

hell answer you Probably

[dense locust]

rare cit L
tbh

[north oracle]

Unsurprisingly when you suggest the same thing that just got flagged, it also gets flagged

[echo leaf]

hi CIT

[fossil finch]

anyways we agree charge is suckmaxxing

[echo leaf]

deadass??

[fossil finch]

esp with arsenal weps being generally fucking sucky

[errant wren]

watch it turn out that the charge mechanic has some sort of planned content attached to it and that's why it's getting flagged

[fossil finch]

so it sjust not really worth it

[echo leaf]

I'm certain a rework is in the books

[fathom sequoia]

woah

[fathom sequoia]

i really hope so

[high rain]

cope

[echo leaf]

If it was planned then it would go to voting and get 🔒'd

[dense locust]

^

[errant wren]

true

[echo leaf]

These are getting ❗'d because of some issue with the formatting of the suggestion

[high rain]

no way

[fathom sequoia]

w cope

[errant wren]

anyways this is more interaction in this server than i'm used to so ima dip

see y'all in 23

[high rain]

same

[dense locust]

no way the sequel to 22

[high rain]

I'll just wait for a mod that makes things not be annoying then

[fossil finch]

itd be very funny bnut,

[echo leaf]

yeah i'm fairly sure the devs are aware that the charge mechanic is not very fun so they're gonna change it in the future

No need to worry too much :)

[high rain]

nice copium brother

[north oracle]

This should probably get added to the frequently suggested list, it's always just going to get flagged

[lucid marsh]

Mine was to reconsider it instead of just removing it entirely. I think it's unreasonable to dismiss these suggestions as so many people feel this way.

[echo leaf]

no, I've seen devs in the past take notes on how to update it

It's a neat idea, having limited use items, but atm it doesn't change how players use the weapon but instead gives them an extra chore for using them

[lucid marsh]

I have seen no reason to believe this.

[dense locust]

we had actual limited use items in the past

[lucid marsh]

In my opinion, it's not even a neat idea, just something that sounds better than it is if you don't think about it for more than 5 seconds

[echo leaf]

the RE guns, right?

[dense locust]

nobody used them except to optimize

[dense locust]

and purified jam, yes

[drowsy plank]

@royal tapir do you think you could explain the flagging? ill be honest it doesn't violate any of the normal rules to my knowledge and this exact scenario is when id normally expect developers to explain why it's being flagged

[echo leaf]

Yeah I don't really see anything wrong with them

[tardy geyser]

Its in frequently suggested iirc, byeah I dont know if thats reason enough. Id like to see charge be overhauled as well

[wide river]

The auto-charger/battery pack thing is there, but not changes to charge as a whole

[tardy geyser]

ic

[north oracle]

yeah, this isn't in frequently suggested yet
if it's going to keep getting flagged instantly, it probably should be.

[ashen warren]

I don’t think they dismiss it they just don’t want it posted since it’s been brought up before?

They probably already realize how useless of a dogshit mechanic weapon charge is though

[inland saddle]

Okay

SuggBot should be back up now

[tardy geyser]

Would be fine if its something simple like weapons start at full charge when a boss is spawned and using one drains the charge of the others in your inventory as well imo

Ty nycro 🙏

[inland saddle]

I did a major rewrite today so if there are any issues please do not hesitate to ping me

[ashen warren]

I think like a dark souls 3 thing would be good

Every time you respawn it is 100% again

And canonically ackshually the terrarian never loses so it makes sense 🤓

[sleek turret]

so like you just spawn again and you don't have to do the entire charge thing again which, in essence, it kills the entire charge mechanic

[ashen warren]

Yeah

Like dark souls

And we should add slave knight Gael instead of yharim

[misty lichen]

because the mechanic is bad and killing it is good

[ashen warren]

😼

[tardy geyser]

Yeah I see your point, having to recharge after every attempt is also awful tho

[sleek turret]

it's fucked especially with like the mod focusing a lot on bossfights

[ashen warren]

I think it’s fine though like it’s a terrible mechanic anyway objectively right?

[hollow verge]

what if u could use batteries like ammo. like. they auto-expend while in an ammo slot to recharge ur weapon as it loses charge.

[sleek turret]

especially the harder ones which can take many attemps and the weapons charge drain quite fast

[hollow verge]

slower if ur using the weapon

and obv not having batteries means no recharging on the fly.

[sleek turret]

what if

[ashen warren]

I think like a power bank or some shit could be cool

[sleek turret]

what if we kill this mechanic alredy on god for real

[hollow verge]

idk. could be a way to keep the batteries as a function. the draedon weapons r generally not good tho so is it rly worth the effort

[golden sonnet]

Tbh I don't hate this

[ashen warren]

To give you more power so you don’t have to recharge as often

[fossil finch]

Just make them better

Just make them better

[hollow verge]

let me marry him first so i can claim life insurance and inherit the exo tech pls.

[fossil finch]

Make charge actively rewarding by making it boost the damage of the weapon instead of diminish it with less charge

[ashen warren]

Add something to permanently super charge the weapon idk

That sounds sick super charge is a cool ass word

[sleek turret]

trust me bro one simple change can make this mechanic good bro just one more change bro it will make the mechanic good trust me it will

[hollow verge]

i mean in a roundabout way, is max charge not a dmg boost, and no charge is a baseline

also you fucking meant. like the game mechanic. not "draedon mechanic"

im doopid 💔

[ashen warren]

Nah because like you know how before a computer shorts it has a power surge

[tardy geyser]

Okay this is interesting, then you have to risk undercharging your weapon to get more damage

[fossil finch]

not what we're saying

[fossil finch]

Well yes but it plays better if baseline is, say, their current max charge damage and charge becomes a bonus

Esp with how arsenal sucks right now

[ashen warren]

Then what

[fossil finch]

Eitherway oops! Unproperly realized weapon mechanic hahahahahaha sure hope calamity didn't do this to an entire class

[hollow verge]

rogue 🔥

[ashen warren]

Nah stealth is so fun I love doing absolutely nothing

[hollow verge]

i love not attacking for several seconds

[ashen warren]

Rogue looks so boring til fast stealth charge

[hollow verge]

i love having to systematically space my attacks every second or two in a game that's usually attack spam and dodge.

[ashen warren]

This why I play ranger

[crude geode]

I think it's funny how instantantelously these both were flagged

[wide river]

This why I don't play the game

[crude geode]

TRUE

[ashen warren]

Fr

Haven’t played ts in forever

[crude geode]

anyways charge as a mechanic doesn't. add anything. I don't see why this sugg isn't at least being considered

like it's neat the first time you do it, but every other time it's a complete chore

[wide river]

I can't remember the last time I used a charge weapon

[crude geode]

@north oracle sorry to ping, but what's the reasoning behind the flag?

[dense locust]

it was cits flag, not fluffy's

[north oracle]

cit put it on

he hasn't given a reason why yet

[fossil finch]

@royal tapir please save this chat from hell

[crude geode]

fr

[ashen warren]

Grrrr

Not using nanogun

I’m going broken sigma mode

[crude geode]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-what-what-the-sigma-sigma-the-gif-14652784622915837383

[ashen warren]

No ipgrabber

[glad tundra]

wasnt charge made negligible last update

most charge weapons would require you to shoot it thousands of times for it to run out

also im pretty sure the damage nerf from low charge was extremely nerfed

[lucid marsh]

If it has to be made negligible, then it isn't a good mechanic

[lunar robin]

I'm pretty sure it's along the lines of 10-15 minutes of constant shooting for most of the to run out

[inland saddle]

[glad tundra]

[hollow verge]

thank u king. or perhaps queen or other gendered ruler. idk.

[fleet grotto]

gender sucks

[hollow verge]

reminds me of how dnd 5e handled mechanics that they wanted to remove but left in because people would piss and moan if they were gone. the mechanics were instead just made so easy and unimportant and easily negated that they have no effect at all.

[hollow verge]

real

[echo leaf]

like food rations?

[hollow verge]

what i mean to say is

1. i agree w u. charge is a bad mechanic in its current state, and making it negigible is just a bandaid to being unwilling to fully remove it or invest proper rework.
2. dnd is not meant for survival games.

[hollow verge]

omg yes perfect example. like its there, but the effects of going without food arent rly impactful, and you can easily get stuff that give u infinite food for free. low level spells, or just something ur character can have from their background stats.

in this case, charge lasts too long to be something to think about in a fight and the dmg nerf is apparently reduced to be irrelrvant - not that youd hit it anyway before you recharge.

[lucid marsh]

yeah

which is why I think the entire idea of charge is flawed

[hollow verge]

the draedon weapons also just kinda blow to begin with ive never wanted to use them over smth else. SHPC has a niche in gfb, but it doesnt need charge.

[lucid marsh]

there is no way to change any of the numbers to make the current mechanic fun.

[hollow verge]

so it doubly makes charge dumb bc why are we even bothering when we could use smth good.

[lucid marsh]

maybe if like 20 different people all make suggestions about charge, they'll do something about it

[hollow verge]

i think charge is fun on paper. its got lore implication. in practice though? ough

[hollow verge]

the looks on the devs faces will be awesome /ref

[lucid marsh]

I think that it isn't even fun on paper unless you don't think about it

like seriously, how does someone make a mechanic like this and spend all that time implementing it without stopping to think wether it makes anything more fun?

the only benefit it has is lore flavor

actually...

I can think of one way to make it fun

[hollow verge]

mme about collecting the 2% drops on tje uncraftable shellphone pieces

i liked my idea i posted earlier. anywzy share urs

[lucid marsh]

sea prisms are canonically an infinite energy source, and draedon makes exo prisms based on them. All the charge wepons should use sea prisms, and gain charge passively over time.

Now you've got mana 2

but mana 2 is better than the garbage we have now

[hollow verge]

mana, the mechanic that even vanilla terraria tries to make irrelevant

[lucid marsh]

mana is actually a great mechanic and vanilla just ruins it with the mana flower

[fleet grotto]

Mana is completely fine imo

[hollow verge]

yeah that's what i mean by make irrelevant

[lucid marsh]

I highly recommend trying a mage playthrough without any mana potions

[hollow verge]

i did

[lucid marsh]

its awesome

[hollow verge]

was fun

[fleet grotto]

Just because a lot of people's brain are like "nOoOoO" when you tell them to stop holding the fucking m1 button

[hollow verge]

i hate mana sickness so.

[lucid marsh]

I meant to clarify that I think they do so wrongly.

[hollow verge]

ranger go brrr

[fleet grotto]

in b4 !

[lucid marsh]

if you don't like it then just play ranger

[fleet grotto]

new suggestion dropped! Time for the ❗

[lucid marsh]

ranger style stuff can be fun, but not everything should be that way

[hollow verge]

that reminds me

has ammo hotkeys been reposted yet

has it been long enough

i need her

[fleet grotto]

i honestly disagree with ammo hotkeys

[hollow verge]

melee at least has the layer of being the primary tank and cool sword.

[fleet grotto]

i simply find it as something that would be even more keybind bloat

[hollow verge]

what's your counter? because swapping mid battle sucks

[fleet grotto]

quite literally that

[hollow verge]

i don't have a reply to that. that's just weird

like i agree w the keybind bloat concern but mid fight doesn't lend itself to opening the menu, moving your ammo around, and not getting annihilated

and that sucks bc diff arrow types makes ranger fun

ik there's a pause when menu open but that dont work in multi 👍 and calamity is made multi compatible

so itd be nice for whatever solution to this problem also be multi compatible

[frozen hornet]

keybind bloat is vastly preferable over the clunkiness that is trying to swap ammo

[light prism]

i would love summons as pets

but more so as a housing pet

where you can assign them a housing and theyll stay there

[hollow shell]

@iron lance You have a mod installed that's coloring the Calamity relics.

[iron lance]

oh

[misty lichen]

yes it does

all you have to do is open the inventory, click two times and then close the inventory

there are zero other requirements and your movement is not hindered whatsoever

[fervent meadow]

the argument i had in the sugg more commented on smoothness of gameplay and keeping flow and concentration on the boss fight

and as flari brought up this is also a multi problem bc you absolutely cant switch ammo easily in multiplayer without full on running away from the bossfight which breaks flow even more than a singleplayer pause

[sand marlin]

I mean I literally did this while still being right by the boss even in multiplayer

And it wasn't Luigi%

[fossil mural]

Mana potions: 😦

Mana Regen Potions: 🙂

[serene spruce]

remove charge mechanic or i get freaky 👅👅

[harsh echo]

what.,.,

[olive saddle]

I recently tried no mana flower mage and its actually really fun. It's much different than holding M1.

Considering your low amt of sustain you can flicker between focusing on dodging and focusing on attacking for a much more engaging fight.

The damage unfortunately leaves a lot to be desired.

[fervent meadow]

just do a classwide mage 100% damage buff

[fossil finch]

just don't use mana flower

like get your arcane flower or your cape and just don't have mana pots on u

That's what we do

[echo leaf]

hell yeah

mana potions fucking suck

[fossil finch]

It's that easy

The only mana pots you're allowed to use is injection

[odd geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/jonkler-jonkler-cart-the-jonkler-cart-the-cart-gif-16150588204208813818

[sullen mica]

what the fuck 😭

did two people really just suggest removing the charge mechcanic

[drowsy plank]

yes

[umbral gazelle]

[fossil mural]

Me when I accidentally got 30 injections and realized it gave the effect perma with Fargo's without the downside and had to get rid of some so it wasnt perma because that's too much

[sand marlin]

It doesn't do that anymore

[drowsy plank]

@serene spruce no joke suggestions

[serene spruce]

dawh

i mean

buff it tho

[drowsy plank]

=/

regardless even if this was serious

it should go in #1178515062030348308

[serene spruce]

oh

k

[drowsy plank]

but it doesnt need to because zenith is fine

[serene spruce]

is weak :(

[sand marlin]

Zenith is fine

[drowsy plank]

it's actually a bit above average rn compared to the tier you get it on

[sand marlin]

5m Exos is pretty damn good

[drowsy plank]

@versed light this is waaaaay too specific and far reaching

it also lacks any really good reasoning beyond a coolness factor

[fossil mural]

As much as I like the wulfrum gear and wish it was usable for longer or had a new "set" in hardmode, there really isn't any reasoning to create it other than it'd be fun/cool

[versed light]

Could maybe fit in some summoner, ranged and maybe rogue gear? And I tried to be more specific as there was a rule about not being vague

[drowsy plank]

that's

okay the problem is you're not addressing an issue with this it's just sort of spitballing a concept

not to mention that early hardmode is already bloated to high hell with content anyway

[fossil mural]

In general you don't want to ask for a specific thing, especially if it's not solving a problem that doesn't exist

General solutions to general problems tend to work better

[versed light]

I didnt specify early hm?

[steep patrol]

does anyone here think we have armor bloat ploblem for mid hardmode? like after mech 2 we got Adamantite,titanium,frost,cryonic thats 4 set of armor then after mech 3 we get access to hollowed,chloro,turtle which is another 3 set (well maybe turtle not count since it is melee specific)

[dense locust]

oh yeah I agree

[drowsy plank]

i cant imagine anywhere else in progression it would make sense; in general the concept just doesnt really work because wulfrum doesn't have a reason to be stronger and there are already tons of other tech sets anyway

[fossil mural]

I've always been of the opinion that early hardmode is an abomination progression wise because you have 6 bosses and far far too many gear sets crammed into such a tiny period

[drowsy plank]

incredibly true and next to impossible to resolve 😭

[dense locust]

but its mostly a vanilla problem
calamity doesnt actually impact it all that much
it adds like, 4 sets

[drowsy plank]

not to mention they'll be getting trimmed a lot next update

[steep patrol]

pre mech give you basiclly 6 set in vanilla lmao

[drowsy plank]

a lot of the cal stuff is going to be reduced to a class or two to better support them

like cryo being like. rogue and mage or something i think?? i dont remember

[dense locust]

rogue and summoner I would imagine

since those are the only 2 classes that use daed as is

[drowsy plank]

no i remember this because i thought the obvious choice would be summoner too but it wasnt summoner

[steep patrol]

also titanium buff when?

[drowsy plank]

i think because there were plans to make like. ore helmets for summoner?? or something????? i dont remember early hardmode armor sets fuckin suck

[dense locust]

unironically
I dont think it needs one (except maybe the melee helmet)

[fossil mural]

I feel like hallowed armor and frost armor both kinda get forgotten about a lot

[harsh echo]

vanilla will add chlophyte summoner

[steep patrol]

maybe i really should try other class but wtf?! isnt it supposed to be good for melee because the set bonus or is it different for other headpiece

[drowsy plank]

hallowed only gets overlooked because chloro is so good in cal

which is funny because hallowed is so good in vanilla

[steep patrol]

tho Titanium melee stat is stupid high

isnt it like 14% melee speed and 9% melee damage and crit?

[dense locust]

theoretically if you could match ada is aggressiveness titanium would be better
the problem is that you just do not have the tools to do that

[steep patrol]

and it still sucks

[fossil mural]

Isn't adamantite better than titanium?

[drowsy plank]

i remember someone did testing and titanium was kind of mid

yes

[median scaffold]

Hallowed is also not that bad in Calamity, iirc

[drowsy plank]

hallowed is in a weird spot

[median scaffold]

Mostly due how hallow dodge works

[steep patrol]

Melee adamantite is stupid strong new since bloody worm scarf DR buff

(dont tell balancing team)

[drowsy plank]

there's like three different implementation of hallowed dodge between vanilla and version of cal and it makes my brain hurt

ada was strong with or without the bloody worm scarf buffs

[dense locust]

adamantite - 1:42 (40.4% true melee)
titanium - 1:58 (34.34% true melee, 8.74% shards)
like
its possible for it to be better but like
they're so close that at that point just stick with ada for the defense

[drowsy plank]

yeah okay i was right

[steep patrol]

give the shard innate 35 armor pen

[drowsy plank]

titanium really does need the buffs

NO ARMOR PEN

[fossil mural]

Bring back reaper tooth's 100 armor pen, surely nothing would go wrong

Surely

[dense locust]

tbh
split ada set bonus in 2
give titanium the bonus defense

[fleet grotto]

imo other way around

[echo leaf]

Give titanium's shards armor pen

[fleet grotto]

adamantite has the defense, titanium has the crit buff

[drowsy plank]

no that is what they were saying and i dont think that is going to fix it

it's just going to make it a very skewed set on things with high defense

[echo leaf]

Oh, fuck

[steep patrol]

The shard base damage is like 50

[echo leaf]

I'm tupid. Sorry

[drowsy plank]

ur fine

[steep patrol]

50!

according to vanilla wiki

[drowsy plank]

then the base damage should just get buffed

armor pen is a last resort for balancing

[steep patrol]

ok fine

make sense

[fossil mural]

Speaking of defense, I know it's old news but I've discovered the "life hack" of using black hawk remote with ichor bullets even on non-summoner so you can also use flask of crumbling and apply ichor and crumbling

It's really funny

[fleet grotto]

ichor spear/bladetongue with crumbling flask

[steep patrol]

there should be weapon that inflict armor crunch,crumbling,ichor,betsy wrath and marked for death in one'

[drowsy plank]

that's just caustic staff

[steep patrol]

for the funny

[median scaffold]

That's Temporal Umbrella

Shadowspec, but who cares

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Caustic_Staff

[steep patrol]

look like i am missing out on a lot of thing

[echo leaf]

why's that?

[dense locust]

something something flat damage

[drowsy plank]

^

[fleet grotto]

there should be a weapon that inflicts tired, cursed, weakened, doom, 5 stacks of poisoned, 3 stacks of burning, and 9 turns of stunned

wait wrong game

[median scaffold]

BLINDLESS 2

[drowsy plank]

like it's just prone to being really good for like. fast firing weapons and not very good on slow ones. since fast weapons benefit more from flat damage increases, while slow ones benefit more from %damage which add to their already big numbers

[steep patrol]

nah stack all sickness debuff in one making contact damage boss cry

[fleet grotto]

Hi my name is duke fishron

[fossil mural]

Yeah but this lets you do that with any melee weapon

[steep patrol]

you can actually make duke do 1 damage by ctacking debuff and using reaver armor

but defense damage

[drowsy plank]

it's not that hard to just switch weapons for 0.5 seconds

glad to hear defense damage is working as intended!

lmao

[fossil mural]

Fair but laziness beats all to me

[steep patrol]

work on yharon too with same set iirc

[dense locust]

ok but like we are talking about the titanium armor set bonus not weapons
that being said titanium could also potentially be skewed towards fast firing weapons since in theory that'd make you regen shards faster

[fossil mural]

Why be smart and like swap weapons and all that when I can just hold m1 hehe

[drowsy plank]

yeah like

when i heard armor pen the alarm sirens just go off in my brain

and i dont think a base damage buff would really hurt all that much considering you need to get close

id only be worried about it slightly overperforming when using true melee, and the biggest problem is that it's supposed to be an all class set that just.

does not work very well with its other classes

[steep patrol]

maybe change how the shard work on other headpiece

[median scaffold]

Shields

Don't forget about what makes SCal tanking possible

[dense locust]

eh
like obviously other classes are less incentivized to get that close but that doesnt necessarily mean they cant play that aggressively

[fossil mural]

I know calamity caps iframes and defense damage exists but I always wondered if there's a way to make invincibility machines work still

[drowsy plank]

sure but for melee it can work with all their weapons while for ranged/mage it works with like

maybe a handful

[fossil finch]

every set needs every stage of progression to have content for it because

[dense locust]

what did they mean by this

[fossil finch]

We need prehardmode meld

[fossil mural]

We need a post moonlord squirrel staff upgrade

[dense locust]

real

[fossil mural]

It can shoot calamitas nuke acorns and have a wulfrum cybernetic eye and jetpack

[steep patrol]

well not 1 damage but funny still lol WE NEED MORE SICKNESS DEBUFF

[fossil finch]

hardmode stratus content

[fossil mural]

Make sickness gear for every stage of the game so people can make a video "can you beat terraria calamity with only COVID 19?"

[harsh echo]

Real

[fossil finch]

CORONA VIRUS

LET'S GO

[fossil mural]

I can't wait for a million COVID and among us references in borderlands 4

[fossil finch]

Corona Virus was a real auric tier alpha virus upgrade that got canned after The Event

[distant gyro]

yeah

i gotta love when dev plans turn out to be a real thing

and then it's no longer appropriate to name it That

[fossil finch]

It probably was named after the earlier corona virus

[fossil mural]

I mean coronavirus is just a word that's existed for a long time to describe a subset of viruses

[fossil finch]

yea

[distant gyro]

yeah

covid wasnt the first coronavirus but it sure made the name more widespread

[median scaffold]

Is there any other information on this?

[fossil finch]

Sprite

wdk where it is but there's a sprite

[fallen skiff]

Seriously thank you all for voting my suggestion this much

[fossil finch]

There used to be a time suggestions all got to 200

Wonder why votes have decreased so much

[fallen skiff]

Maybe the new people that come in don’t know it’s there and the old people are less passionate about seeing change in the mod, and the people who do know about it just don’t see anything wrong

[fossil finch]

don't really believe that latter point matters at all for the purposes of the voting lurkers

[fallen skiff]

Idk man, just throwing possibilities out there

[fossil finch]

we could believe that the old Voting Lurkers went away somewhere around the 22 and there's just not been a replacement wave since then

[distant gyro]

i think it was before 22

i remember myself and rover and co concocting the new non-flat voting system precisely because none of the suggestions were making said flat count

at some point it just stopped hitting 200

oh obviously

it was at the start of 2022 when the system showed up

that's 2 months after draedon update, so that's when the fizzle occured

[fossil finch]

then clearly this was fault of malice

[distant gyro]

the draedon update suggestion surge was crazy

[novel belfry]

malice broke everyone so hard. now its master mode (AGAIN??)

[median scaffold]

Yeah

Malice is a grandfather to master

[fossil finch]

a tragedy

[sleek turret]

Like father like son

[novel belfry]

imo they just need to reconsider how to implement those random out of nowhere twin and destroyer in masterrev+ skeletron prime

i think that suggestion to instead make them appear during the last mech fight, no matter what it is would be neat

[median scaffold]

Imo, Mechdusa is literally the best concept of "all the mechs in one fight"

[sand marlin]

I believe that was considered but it seemed like a real headache codewise

[fossil finch]

It wouldn't be that hard

[sand marlin]

If you say so

[hollow verge]

tbh a lot of ppl dont want changes to the mod

like. ppl complain, u suggest an idea or two and try to discuss, and it is Always met w ppl saying no. and then u ask why or what their idea is, and u realise there's nothing. they want it to suck so they can be angry

its wild

[coral carbon]

i feel like it probably is

[whole tundra]

@livid hearth wrong channel?

[livid hearth]

oh sorry

[hollow verge]

u may want to simply delete the post

[fossil mural]

It'd be really funny (bad) if that random mp3 had some malware or something in it

[fossil finch]

Not really u can just make the ai function require the downed booleans of the other 2 mechs and that's kinda it we think

Then it depends depending on what u want to happen

[hollow shell]

I can't view that music file rn, is it something offensive at all?

[drowsy plank]

no it was just some guy's song

no lyrics so

[hollow shell]

Alright
I'll just delete. They left the server anyway

[echo leaf]

[fossil mural]

Enters server

Posts (probably mediocre, if not ai generated/stolen/whatever) song

Says we can use it in the mod if we want

Leaves

[echo leaf]

we have been given a gift

[fossil mural]

The fact it was randomly dropped in just seemed kinda sus to me though

Rational people tend to not just do that

[sleek turret]

yea and irrational people are multiplied by √8

[harsh echo]

true...

[lucid marsh]

"remain a threat"
Apply gun

[echo leaf]

what's a gun

[versed cape]

suggestion: make seraph tracers faster

[dense locust]

probably belongs in balance suggestions more than here tbh

[golden sonnet]

idk, their niche is on the ground, and they are good on the ground

it is kinda eh when they are strictly worse than the material in the air though

[drowsy plank]

a boost to horizontal speed would be nice tbh

but yeah this is a balance thing

[golden sonnet]

Seraph Tracers vs on tier wings
Horizontal only/Vertical only/Diagonal
Buffless
Drews: 62/112/128 MPH
Seraph Tracers: 60/100/116 MPH

Buffless Summary:
Tracers vs Drews: 2 MPH worse horizontally, 12 MPH worse vertically, 12 MPH worse diagonally.

All Buffs
Drews: 71/116/136 MPH
Seraph Tracers: 71/103/125 MPH

Buffed Summary:
Tracers vs Both: No difference horizontally, 13 MPH worse vertically, 11 MPH worse diagonally.

yeah, a minor buff to horizontal could be good

otherwise I don't think they are that bad, as they do what tracers are supposed to and have good ground movement

and they aren't worse horizontally, just not better

[drowsy plank]

the constant discussions about wings just reminds me how much cal needs more lategame wings just so people actually have some options

no i am not still salty about my hoverboard getting rejected what are you talking about

[wide river]

Totally not

[novel belfry]

it should be noted that people do not typically fight bosses walking, especially at the endgame

people fly.

the main benefit of tracers are improving a form of mobility that is highly unneeded to walk into

this is why tracers are not good

[fleet grotto]

really depends on playstyle

But yes typically flying is just better

[steep patrol]

I want to make a suggestion but don’t know if I am being too specific so imma paste it here first

Change beetle endurance to barrier instead

Beetle armor is 2nd strongest tank armor in vanilla but in calamity it have to compete with reaver armor which have high defense,max hp boost and permanent DR plus fixed 1hp/sec on top of Debuff damage reduction,thorns effect,very strong lifesteal it is so strong that it can be use in post moonlord and perform well on the other hand beetle have beetle endurance which require you to avoid getting hit for a bit before you get massive amount of DR which also get nerfed by calamity and that is the only thing it got but if this were changed to barrier instead beetle will have pseudo max hp and pseudo life regen along with immunity from debuff and immunity to defense damage but still keep the old playstyle of dodging for a bit to tank more damage and should balance out reaver being too dominant in meta

[fleet grotto]

I'd tweak the grammar

[steep patrol]

Help

Please

[echo leaf]

It's likely an SIS as well as more of a balance issue

I definitely agree that beetle shell is in an abhorrent state right now, though

[steep patrol]

I would say beetle is near balance rn but reaver have too much shit

[echo leaf]

Well the issue with beetle shell is that you're competing with beetle scale mail

[steep patrol]

They dont compete with each other since they designed to do different thing

But when someone mention shell they will just told you to use reaver instead

[echo leaf]

The only thing beetle shell has right now is more damage output over reaver, which is not a high bar to cross
Although reaver can still get faster killtimes via facetanking bullshit

Beetle Shell is the epitome of a hardcore player's playstyle. Good dodging and heaps of defense makes it impossible to die, since any mistakes you make are negligible
Although beetle shell is not good enough at that job compared to reaver since Beetle Endurance is a puny 30% and suffers from scaling DR

[serene spruce]

pwetty pwease buff zenith

[echo leaf]

I'm gonna do a balance issue report because I love that set and I don't wanna see it in the state it's in

[steep patrol]

Also reaver lifesteal is basically mini health pot

[echo leaf]

On expert death mode, reaver's lifesteal is effectively 6 HP/s

Higher difficulties lower that value

But that means expert rev, the 'intended' difficulty, has more than 6 HP/s because you... attack the bad guys

[steep patrol]

Anyways

Is this too specific or not?
Change beetle endurance to barrier instead

Beetle armor is 2nd strongest tank armor in vanilla but in calamity it have to compete with reaver armor which have high defense,max hp boost and permanent DR plus fixed 1hp/sec on top of Debuff damage reduction,thorns effect,very strong lifesteal it is so strong that it can be use in post moonlord and perform well on the other hand beetle have beetle endurance which require you to avoid getting hit for a bit before you get massive amount of DR which also get nerfed by calamity and that is the only thing it got but if this were changed to barrier instead beetle will have pseudo max hp and pseudo life regen along with immunity from debuff and immunity to defense damage but still keep the old playstyle of dodging for a bit to tank more damage and should balance out reaver being too dominant in meta

[echo leaf]

It's specific, yeah

The suggestions channel is essentially whining about an issue and letting the devs figure out how to solve it

In order for your suggestion to work you'd have to base it off of "Rework Beetle Endurance" which I doubt is gonna happen since it's a vanilla item

If you want a buff to Beetle then you need to make a claim in #1178515062030348308

[drowsy plank]

ah yes

beetle armor

well known for being so incredibly weak it only needed to be nerfed like 3 times

[echo leaf]

yeah beetle was crazy

but is beetle shell in a good spot today?

[drowsy plank]

i thought so, last i heard

[echo leaf]

well we're about to find out

[golden sonnet]

it is yes

[olive saddle]

30% additive DR is

Not great i think

Vs reaver or scailmale

*scalemail

[echo leaf]

It's not actually 30%

(it's lying)

It's 23.08%

[olive saddle]

Ah

Gross

[echo leaf]

35.58% at Beetle Endurance 3, with Beetle Wings, Bloody Worm Scarf, and an Endurance potion

warding accessories would add more probably idk

You get a lovely 11% melee damage bonus from it compared to Reaver's -21% damage

With an Endurance potion and BWS you get 25.93% DR on Reaver

[olive saddle]

Shell also doesn't have the like 4 other benefits that reaver does

[echo leaf]

The same accessories give 33.33% DR at Beetle Endurance 3

[dense locust]

you can tell which one's a modded armor and which one isn't

[echo leaf]

[steep patrol]

Reaver have more hp more regen more DoT DR and massive lifesteal

Also reaver deal damage with thornse too iirc

[echo leaf]

Reaver's thorns have 240 base classless damage

[olive saddle]

240 jesus

[echo leaf]

And you also get Reaver Rage for 10% more damage, bringing to damage penalty to -11%

[dense locust]

oh and while we're on the topic

reaver isnt even the only armor that beetle has to deal with

bc valhalla is right fucking there

[echo leaf]

Valhalla Knight is so fucking funny

[hollow verge]

not hating but is this bc i shared in cmt how beetle shell was nerfed

[echo leaf]

it's a cheat code

[steep patrol]

Nah it just tank main yapping about tank stuff is stronger than another tank stuff

[olive saddle]

Valhalla is the fucking cockroach of terraria

[echo leaf]

lmao

[olive saddle]

You keep blowing it up and it keeps coming back

[hollow verge]

incredible coincidence then #calamity-mod-talk message

[steep patrol]

Also last I check Valhalla in cal seems to give more Regen than vanilla

[dense locust]

its same

[echo leaf]

nah, it's both 4 HP/s

[dense locust]

4hp/sec

[steep patrol]

Wait but I seems to get 8

Am I trippin

[echo leaf]

8 health regen is not 8 HP/s

1 health regen = 0.5 HP/s

[steep patrol]

Bro I am animus

And stat meter is changed in recent update to show HP/sec now

[echo leaf]

:D

[hollow verge]

LET ME FIGHT GOLEM EARLY !!!!!

I WAS SO MAD!!!

i was so ready to rock up to him and beat him up but no there's a dumb plant in my way!!!!! for why!!!!!!

[drowsy plank]

so, there's this guy called red, right-

[hollow verge]

is it something that cant be undone?

[drowsy plank]

it's another hardcoded vanilla lock if you couldn't tell

no, just very, very hard

[hollow verge]

[drowsy plank]

to the point they might not bother

[hollow verge]

well. i can at least ask

if they decide against it, fair enough

real ending is that it wont get votes.

[umbral gazelle]

is old duke be able to damage player a bug or soemthing

or is it named Old Duke Spawner even intended to be?

[hollow verge]

this question is like two words off of being entirely incomprehensible

[dense locust]

what

[hollow verge]

old duke being able to damage you is not a bug.

he is supposed to hit you. he's a boss.

[umbral gazelle]

oh rigjt old duke tornado, i forgot to mention

[lunar robin]

Pre-Hardmode Golem pog???

[umbral gazelle]

the spawner tornado thing

[hollow verge]

the cthulhunados?

[umbral gazelle]

no

the tornado when the event reach 99%

[hollow verge]

if this means golem is phm im down for it. i just hope it gets votes for devs to think abt it

[hollow verge]

u mean acid rain?

[lunar robin]

Yeah cause I assume it'll just be "Let you use power cells before Plantera is dead"

Which means you can get Golem phm if you use the Hoik trick to just... walk in the front door without the key

[hollow verge]

thats funny. let them do it tbh.

[lunar robin]

Since IIRC Lizhards and Flying Snakes still spawn, but if they don't it doesn't matter since they also spawn in chests

[umbral gazelle]

yeh

[hollow verge]

i.. don't know if that's a bug.

ive never been in their radius

[hollow verge]

#1052323733961977947 maybe

that sure doesn't seem like it should hurt

[umbral gazelle]

imo the enormous sized acid tornado should damage you

[hollow verge]

not if it's his "im here" animation

are you trying to say it shouldn't be named "old Duke summoner"?

[umbral gazelle]

yes

[hollow verge]

OH

omfg

okay. yea. i agree. thats a weird name. if u suggested a rename, id support it.

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-posting message

I thought that was the point of these things?
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Old_Power_Cell

[lunar robin]

That requires hardmode though.

Making the Cells work all the time would make it possible in PHM

It's also super counterintuitive, IMO. The normal summon doesn't work, but if you craft the super special reuseable summon it works now... for no discernable reason

[hollow shell]

Well that's not what the suggestion is asking

It just says Pre-Plantera, which this item does accomplish

seemingly.

[umbral gazelle]

actually post 1 mech boss

[hollow shell]

That's still Pre-Plantera

@hollow verge

[umbral gazelle]

uhm so does old duke tornado got changed yet?

[hollow verge]

does it function pre-plantera? bc the calamity wiki itself says golem cant be fought pre-plant, regardless of summon

[hollow shell]

That item's page explicitly states it can be used Pre-Plant

[hollow verge]

then wiki is wrong

[hollow shell]

But I do see that our Golem page does not acknowledge that

[hollow verge]

i will say that the consumable version doesnt work pre plant

so i can edit my sugg to be that

[hollow shell]

Oh, you tested?

Oh no you mean the vanilla one

Didn't realize Old cells were nonconsumable lol

[hollow verge]

yeah

[lunar robin]

It does, technically, acknowledge it? It just does it in a shit and unclear way.

[dense locust]

as are all summon items that arn't also a critter

[hollow shell]

Rewording it now

[hollow verge]

i have not tested old power cell. i am in bed and i dont want to get up

[dense locust]

old works

[hollow verge]

its 1am

[dense locust]

I've done it before

[drowsy plank]

again, normal summon doesnt work because of vanilla hardcoded locks

i dont think those will ever be removed either, because there's a check on the cell, the altar, and then some third thing as well. it is very stupid. the custom item is a workaround for this.

thanks red!

[hollow shell]

There, extremely clear.
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Golem#Spawn

[hollow verge]

Allow the consumable Power Cells to be used pre-Plantera, or put an Old Power Cell in the temple's chests

Golem can be fought pre-Plantera with the use of the Old Power Cell. However, the consumable Power Cells don't work. I suggest making them work, to be in line with the nonconsumable version.

If that can't be done, then I suggest making an Old Power Cell available in the temple. That way, people don't explore the temple pre-Plantera and assume they simply can't fight Golem. Most players summon Golem with the plethora of power cells you find. Adding an Old Power Cell to a chest, thusly, encourages its use, advertises its existence, and gives a clear way to fight Golem pre-Plantera. As it stands now, it's not clear that Old Power Cell works and regular power cells don't.

how is this

as a revise to the golem sugg

[hollow shell]

Ahh yes good solution

[lunar robin]

And the Old Power Cell item does say clearly that it can be used Pre-plantera

But then the Trivia section (or whatever the bottom section is) says the same thing but in a way, way more confusing manner

[hollow shell]

I'll fix that too

[hollow verge]

coz legit i didnt know OPC works different. and why would i? theres no other case of this.

[distant gyro]

OPC also uses differently which is funny

its a standard click and use item rather than working on the altar

[hollow verge]

that IS funny

[gaunt needle]

What about removing regular power cells? They serve no purpose whatsoever

[hollow shell]

We are not removing a vanilla item.

[hollow verge]

based

but yea what rover said

[gaunt needle]

And then obviously renaming old powercell

[distant gyro]

there is no sprite differentiation so you can get confused if you pick both up

[hollow verge]

maybe OPC needs a new sprite then

[hollow shell]

They do.

It's weird that they are the same.

[hollow verge]

ill do it myself idgaf i have some spriting experience

[lunar robin]

TBF I could probably do it. A static item with no special animations is arguably the simplest thing to sprite

[hollow verge]

just edit the current sprite to look cracked and dead

[hollow shell]

@umbral gazelle I don't think I'd consider it a "spoiler", considering Old Duke spawns in only a few seconds after the tornado appears.

I do think it's kinda weird that that tornado can kill you at all. I thought it was just meant to be like a spawn animation.

[umbral gazelle]

yes but uhmm dying to tornado cancel the progress

[hollow shell]

The tornado's name could get changed to something less... blunt.
Or, it could be made to deal no damage.
Either or.

[hollow verge]

yeah thats what i said but punnawat said it isnt so i didnt wanna argue,

i think no dmg is better

if im killed in a cutscene i mald.

[umbral gazelle]

but its acid tornado,,,,,,,

[hollow verge]

ITS A CUTSCENE /nsrs

[hollow shell]

Hey, Providence explodes into a huge magical fiery explosion when she dies
It'd make "sense" for that to deal damage to you if it hit you. But, it doesn't, cuz that's not the point, it's just meant as a death animation, for flavor.

[umbral gazelle]

that would be P.E.A.K

[hollow shell]

Dying in sync with Prov? lol

[hollow verge]

just play infernum yharon for that bullshit

[umbral gazelle]

but first time i see i actually thought it was a bright flash

[hollow verge]

ok bed time for me. if theres more comments on my golem sugg ill see it tomorrow

[hollow shell]

That should be better.

[hollow shell]

Sleep well 👋

[hollow shell]

Wait
There

[grave zinc]

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Suspicious Scrap from the Lab Turret’s crafting recipe.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[hasty gull]

huzzah

[sand marlin]

I wonder how old those hardlocks are

[ripe owl]

Some probably came with Golem, others might've come later

[golden sonnet]

Can true melee die already please

[echo leaf]

Oh does Old Lord Claymore spawn projectiles on miss?

[sand marlin]

It's an alternate function

Left click is true melee

[sand marlin]

You don't need to hit the dash yes

[golden sonnet]

It just creates a trail yes

[echo leaf]

Oh neato

[sand marlin]

Honestly OLC right click's only issue is it not being a ram, then it wouldn't need to be nerfed to hell and back

[echo leaf]

I’d assume then the right click doesn’t get true melee bonuses

[golden sonnet]

It is a ram

[echo leaf]

yeah it’s a ram

[golden sonnet]

Wdym

[sand marlin]

It's not a ram, it's an invulnerability state

[echo leaf]

Ah

Even funnier

[golden sonnet]

Smh, living in the past old man

[sand marlin]

Didn't need to remind me that again..

[golden sonnet]

It's a ram now

[sand marlin]

Wait seriously

Wtf

When

[golden sonnet]

2.0.4.1

Bountiful

[sand marlin]

That feels like such a shadowdrop ngl I looked through the logs a couple times and still didn't know about this

Ok can we buff it now

[golden sonnet]

That why I said living in the past

Can't believe you don't have every single changelog memorized smh

[sand marlin]

Unfortunately

[dense locust]

bet you dont either
how much damage% did necklace of vexation give at its peak?

[golden sonnet]

40% ?

[dense locust]

35

close

[golden sonnet]

Damn, I tried

I played then but don't remember bad items

[ashen warren]

That was fun. We should bring that back.

[sand marlin]

This is true, I feel like regenator meta kinda fell off

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, especially with OD scales "dying" (just for those builds)

[dense locust]

I mean vexation was nerfed long before regenetor became actually useable

oh actually that reminds me

[sand marlin]

If you think about it, on average a 20% bonus is a 10% spread over your health half and half and if you need to use regenator then a comparison to a class emblem is like barely a 5% difference for using regenator

[dense locust]

yeah

tbh I do think it could do with a buff, not 35% though thats kinda extreme

[ashen warren]

60% it is.

[fossil mural]

Bring back old reaper tooth instead

I want my 100 armor pen

[sand marlin]

Well cal's balance isn't very suitable for armor pen so that's probably not happening. Or at least any sort of AP buff

[fossil mural]

I mean yeah there's a reason it was gutted

I'm just joking

[sand marlin]

No the reason was because it was stat bloat back then

[echo leaf]

So RTN should have 100 damage instead?

[sand marlin]

Like 100 armor pen was back when stat bloat was a thing

[sullen mica]

new reaper thooth necklace buff you jst deal 100 flat damage more

[ashen warren]

[fossil mural]

100 flat damage when rapid fire low damage weapons:

[sullen mica]

problem solved

[echo leaf]

summoner is finally good

[sullen mica]

always has been

[echo leaf]

wdym, it only beats the other classes by 20 seconds

[sand marlin]

@dense locust according to vanilla wiki it should already do that, does it not do that in game?

[dense locust]

Hm

[dense locust]

Thinking about it more it’s probably a bug
I remember it not triggering when I was at exactly half
Though that was with hp boosting armor/accs

[golden sonnet]

yeah, theres a known bug with flat HP boosts interacting weirdly with regenator

#1208567625190211594 message

so that may be it

[sand marlin]

Yeah the shell works properly it's just regenator accessory priority

It's not a bug because it makes function overrides consistent

For example one dash overriding the other and stuff like that, some even have funny effects like that one dev vanity with sans eye glowing smaller or bigger depending on where you put it

[golden sonnet]

I fucking love yoraizors spell

and it stacks with wings too if wings are placed beneath it

but not if they are above it

so it has like 3 different rules based on what slot it's in

[golden sonnet]

like the fact it scales on accessory number, so you get a brighter effect the more slots you get access to

[sand marlin]

Yep

[hollow shell]

fully agree with this sugg, if OLC is as I remember it

A melee weapon with a utility as useful as its omnidirectional spin dash
does not also need fast homing projectiles

In Pre-Hardmode

[sand marlin]

It certainly isn't a bad idea

A buff to fit in with that would be pretty good

Since it was really nerfed down to make the invulnerable dash less broken

It needs better reasoning regardless because the suggestion isn't really saying much

Ok ignore my statement about a buff it wasn't just a change to make it a ram, the dash did get a hitbox buff. I should give it a try later

[stable kiln]

OLC is really over the top, has been for way too long

i tried getting it nerfed a long time ago when i was on the team but there were disagreements, i hope this passes

[echo leaf]

The invincible charge dash is fun enough, it doesn’t need projectiles to go along with it

[sand marlin]

I mean I know I'm like super blanked out rn but I doubt this would or should even get into voting, much less pass voting. @dusty atlas least you could do is provide actual sufficient reasoning for your suggestion instead of making a presumption that it's meant to be primarily true melee when there is nothing pointing at that as the right click function is a valid alternate function.

[stable kiln]

the invincible charge dash is Not ok at all

it charges so fast, the dash is way too fast, it deals way too much damage, it gives you so many iframes, its just extremely broken and has no reason to be this good if it was a hardmode weapon, and its a pre-boss one

[sand marlin]

I think it should capitalize on its ram function because that'd make it more interesting as a true melee weapon and the dynamic would play well with how left click is close ranged and right click lets you get close in even from a distance. The projectiles are indeed very not necessary for this

Things like the ram velocity and cooldown would still work when toned down I believe but yeah

[golden sonnet]

It was changed to be a ram in bountiful harvest

So it is no longer that

[stable kiln]

right

well even having the iframes removed its still way over the top with the charged dash

[grave zinc]

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Suspicious Scrap from the Lab Turret’s crafting recipe.]

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@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[A Demolitionist quote hinting towards the existence of Skynamite]

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[sleek turret]

peak

[echo leaf]

hell yeah

[slim cairn]

Fire

[royal tapir]

Skynamite 💪

[sand marlin]

You know it'd be completely useless to see this in game as a preview but it'd be so funny

[echo leaf]

I LOVE SKYNAMITE

[distant gyro]

im great at cheesy dialogue writing

[echo leaf]

Does it contain a pun.

[hollow shell]

You'd better buynamite my Skynamite or I-a-might make you die-tonight.

[distant gyro]

i decided to tone it down because it was too long

[sand marlin]

🔥

[golden sonnet]

Hire this individual.

[distant gyro]

i think this is adequate in length

[hollow shell]

That's acceptable

Maybe some won't get the hint but it is a hint

[sand marlin]

What if they do it literally

[drowsy plank]

make that work on gfb

[distant gyro]

i like my hints indirect

[echo leaf]

Oh that’s perfect

[distant gyro]

see: arms dealer quad barrel and wizard rod of discord

well its a bit more blatant for wizard

quad barrel you have to think for more than 5 seconds

[golden sonnet]

That's how vanilla does it too

[wide river]

I went for too long not knowing that the Traveling Merchant wasn't going to actually give you a back-alley deal so maybe that's not always applicable

[royal tapir]

Oh my god it actually does restrict to surface

As soon as I finish lunch that’s getting smited

[golden sonnet]

Thank you Mr quickfix

As CiT got it before voting I will delete the suggestion, for those curious it was as follows
"Make Death Whistle Usable at Any Height

The Death Whistle is a hardmode boss-summoning item that is used to fight the ravager, but only when used on the surface. This surface limitation is not communicated to the player, and results in frustration for new players when they attempt to use it elsewhere, restricts the players choice of arena, and causes an additional headache in secret seeds that change where layers are. Although some of this confusion could be alleviated by including this limitation in the tooltip, it would be better off removed entirely, especially when considering this limitation has no basis in lore either. Ravager is a resurrected corpse that wanders destroying all it encounters, there is nothing limiting this wandering to the surface, and any small ties that exist should not come at the expense of gameplay"

[crude geode]

LMAO

[hollow verge]

holy shit THATS why i could only summon ravager on surface in gfb

i figured it needed room to drop but no. surface only

thats so funny

[golden sonnet]

yeah, and not fake surface either

it needs like the actual surface, way up by the evil

[fossil mural]

Not necessarily an ammo swap hotkey, but I've always wondered if it'd be possible to see a world where you can assign an ammo slot to a weapon

Like you're using two weapons and one converts wooden arrows/musket balls into a special thing, and the other weapon just uses whatever so you'd reasonably want to use anything that's not a wooden arrow or musket ball on that weapon

[golden sonnet]

There is a mod for that

[fossil mural]

Yeah but I mean as a cal feature

[sand marlin]

Doesn't seem like something cal would have

[dusty atlas]

here is ur reason

[sand marlin]

You can do better. The dash only gives IFrames on contact with enemies (aka dealing damage with the dash itself) so you should fix that.

[dusty atlas]

ok

[sand marlin]

@sullen mica #1178515062030348308

[dusty atlas]

My main problem is that it is listed as true melee damage but the dash releases homing non-true melee projectiles

[sand marlin]

Well it's an alternate function

[echo leaf]

i also hate that but it’s possible that the r-click fireballs don’t benefit from tmelee bonuses

like Aegis Blade

[sand marlin]

They do

Funny enough

[echo leaf]

oh fuck

kill the weapon

remove from mod

[fossil mural]

Like 90% of true melee stuff ends up releasing projectiles in some capacity eventually

[dusty atlas]

thats the problem

[fossil mural]

Usually on hit but still

[dusty atlas]

I love the weapon

but It has been nagging me

especially since I started a true melee playthrough

[sand marlin]

You want them to remove the projectiles because its alternate function isn't correctly labelled and mechanically benefit from something it shouldn't?

[dusty atlas]

yes

[hollow shell]

THAT SUCKS if true

[sand marlin]

Well it's better to just, label it correctly and prevent it from benefitting from that

[hollow shell]

I'm in favor of removing the projectiles
The misattributed true melee status is just another minor reason to do so. Fixable on its own in other ways.

[dusty atlas]

hellyeah.png

[sand marlin]

Yeah, it's more of a minor reason and not something good enough to actually push forward

[hollow shell]

But I want em removed to make the weapon less functionally overpowered

[echo leaf]

Valid

[sand marlin]

I was urging them to write a better reasoning for that

But uh, hm

Could just call Cog

[dusty atlas]

not sure how tho

[hollow shell]

The sugg imo should put more focus on the fact that the sword is already really good and really useful as it is, with the high mobility spin
But the homing projectiles make it mindless, allowing you to just stay far away and chip damage the enemy safely without even aiming

The weapon would be a lot more interesting if you were more encouraged to hit with the ram
Or to only use the mobility as mobility

[echo leaf]

Personally I’d say “The weapon’s overpowered, something needs to be done. I suggst removing the projectiles. This is good because it does not need them to be fun and powerful and they are erroneously listed as true melee, removing would solve both issues”

[dusty atlas]

mind if I use that

[drowsy plank]

hi who needed me what

[echo leaf]

Oh, of course you should beef that up a bit, elaborate, improve grammar and such

hi cog

[dusty atlas]

yocog

[sand marlin]

This goes more into balance issue territory rather than more of a playstyle change considering the weapon. I mean maybe this should just go to balance forum instead?

[echo leaf]

pertentually…

[hollow shell]

"Overpowered" needs clarification.
That implies it's a matter for #1178515062030348308 , its DPS or killtime

This is a matter of its functionality doing too much. It is too safe of an option, too easy to use.

[dusty atlas]

bro where that

[drowsy plank]

the erroneous true melee designation feels like it should be in #1052323733961977947
the balanced based reasoning makes it feel like it should be in #1178515062030348308

in general, i think i agree that the last place this belongs is here

[sand marlin]

I think this is good

[drowsy plank]

if they want to focus more on fixing the feel of the weapon that could work yeah

[hollow shell]

Would removing the projs be appropriate for the balance forum?
I thought that was meant for stat buffs and nerfs, based on how good its kill times are

[drowsy plank]

it mostly is, but there are definetly less objective balanced based things that go in there

if the reason for the projectiles being removed is it makes the weapon feel too strong, that feels like a balanced thing still

if the projectiles should be removed because it disrupts the feel of the weapon, that's more of a suggestion thing

i dont know how good the projectiles actually are

[sand marlin]

I was gonna get some tests in on the right click tonight anyway so I'll go work on that

[drowsy plank]

i genuinely question if OLC is actually too much, because people talk a lot about attributes that make it scary, but i have no idea how it actually performs at this point

that would be very helpful

where this belongs is all dependant on what the actual issue with the weapon is, which i think we are currently still failing to address at the moment

[dusty atlas]

is dis better

[sand marlin]

I don't think keeping the projectiles would fix the issue of players just shying away from the boss while abusing it, and if the projectiles are made weak enough to counteract that then they have no reason to exist in the first place

[hollow shell]

I actually don't give a shit if the projectiles deal good damage or not. It's the fact they exist at all that bothers me

[dusty atlas]

thats what I mean

[echo leaf]

I’m doing a true melee nohit journey and struggling on eow because I have no range. I will now rungod eow with olc rightclick

[hollow shell]

That is better, your sugg
I do think you're leaning too far in to its identity being a true melee weapon, as the core of your argument

[sand marlin]

Agreed

[crude geode]

True melee weapons often have projectiles as a part of some gimmick

[hollow shell]

I'd put more about the dash being useful enough on its own

[dusty atlas]

as an on hit affect

[drowsy plank]

*effect
but yeah this is different

the projectiles OLC make are more like uhhhhh

claymore

one of them

celestial claymore?

where it's just a minefield of Stuff you can lead bosses into

i think

[hollow shell]

Yeah any true melee wep that spawns projs on simple weapon usage is a mistake

Because that's not true melee, definitionally

[sand marlin]

I did get an idea, projectiles could be moved to the dash's onhit

[drowsy plank]

being on the onhit would be much better

[echo leaf]

That’s fine imo

[drowsy plank]

very simply change as well

[hollow shell]

Not even necessary

[drowsy plank]

would make it good on worms and crowds

[echo leaf]

The projectiles do make the weapon flashy and more fun

Removing them completely would be unfortunate

[hollow shell]

Just increase the damage of the ram if you want it to deal more damage
Give it an explosion visual effect

Don't gotta muddy it up with projs

But yes making them at least only be on-hit would be an improvement

[echo leaf]

An explosion would be fun too

[dusty atlas]

better?

[sand marlin]

I believe it would matter mostly with minion based bosses as if you use the dash on one thing then you can't immediately answer another but yeah I think both are fine

[echo leaf]

Looks much better imo

[dusty atlas]

man I love true melee