suggestions-discussion

[novel belfry]

[hollow verge]

what progression stage is it?

[echo leaf]

harvest staff?

Post-EoC

It requires pumpkin seeds which are sold by Dryad

[vestal lark]

Stuffed Fish can drop pumpkin seeds at any point in progression.

[echo leaf]

Oh, well goes to show how often I use stuffed fish

I see them and go 'oh hoho yes money mmmm"

[harsh echo]

so broken!

[grim tusk]

@echo leaf aint that a frequent sugg?

[echo leaf]

uhhh, I never noticed anyone else doing it

[crude geode]

Not anymore

[distant gyro]

rogue buff station? used to

ammo box thing unheard of

[crude geode]

Yeah the ammo box is not close to suggested about

[median scaffold]

Rogue buff station sounds cool, tho

And somewhat reasonable

[crude geode]

mostly cuz no one cares about that thing or any of the other buff stations

[echo leaf]

+5 max stealth

[median scaffold]

Ban

[distant gyro]

i dont think this makes sense in my head

[echo leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[median scaffold]

Actually, that's just Rogue's crystal ball

[echo leaf]

What about it?

[distant gyro]

ammo box benefit rogue consumables

[median scaffold]

Summoner have 2 of them and cares a lot
Other classes don't benifit as much, but have a nice bonus

[distant gyro]

im pretty sure they already dont even benefit ranged consumables

[median scaffold]

What

[echo leaf]

So, like, Titan Heart Mantle makes rogue consumables have a 45% chance to not get consumed when thrown

So the Cobalt Kunai has a 45% chance to just kinda dupe itself when you throw it.

[median scaffold]

What does ammo box even do then???

[echo leaf]

it affects ammo

beenades, spiky balls don't get affected

[crude geode]

Woah crazy

The ammo box affects ammo and not thrown objects

[distant gyro]

yeah

[crude geode]

[median scaffold]

Oh, those
My bad here

[distant gyro]

my immersion

[echo leaf]

The suggestion is allowing the Ammo Box to work just like this

i assume it won't break much since these ammo consumption effects stack multiplicitively but it'd be a nice QoL feature for rogues that use these

[distant gyro]

if rogue is gonna steal another class's station its probably sharpening

but id rather it just be a new station

[echo leaf]

Anything works. The core of the issue is that all five stations do a grand total of fuck all to Rogue

of course, all rogues can benefit from Bewitching and War since all classes can use minions and sentries

But that doesn't really solve the problem

[fossil finch]

Bandit Rogue Station plans are being beamed directly into Prikki's brain right now

[echo leaf]

I'm getting some really good ideas for a rogue station, wait a sec

[median scaffold]

Imagine the rogue station makes every projectile slightly home into an enemy

[coral carbon]

add butterfinger to orlando

[hollow verge]

a station that'd probably most benefit rogue is smth that like. involves stealth. but i have no idea what kind of buff station that could be.

a mud pack that accelerates stealth gen, i guess,

[languid umbra]

Reason I only suggested is because it's the face of the bountiful update

I know there are a lot of cute summons

Suggesting too many pets from summons would be a

Little too much

[median scaffold]

"Too much cuties" isn't a thing, you know?

[languid umbra]

Okay well

Yeah

But still

Also pretty sure no one would mind strolling around your town

Adding more things to add life to the world like critters is nice

Imagine the little necro skeletons walking around the dungeon or underground

[olive saddle]

I would. Damn things scream so god damn loud I feel like I'm at a death metal concert for toddlers

[umbral gazelle]

i mind, its not Don Quixote npc so im not interested

[coral carbon]

i saw "shimmer calamitas" and assumed the worst

[scarlet seal]

💀

[coral carbon]

i think its fair to assume considering i think that has been multiple suggestions in the past

[echo leaf]

I assume all the NPCs will get a shimmered variant at some point

But it's hard to say... I think Drunk Princess had a scrapped shimmered variant

[royal tapir]

Like all the nice things in life
Lack of sprite issue

[echo leaf]

[fossil finch]

You can't do that sorry that's illegal, this isn't Soa, you can't do "no sprites" nope, that's bad, shouldn't be legal

[coral carbon]

what

[novel belfry]

Shadows of Abaddon has issues with continuing working on content because nobody bothers to help submit sprites

[novel belfry]

I mean, all you need to do is just go to Calamity Art Server, and put a request in #assets-needed

its calamitas

[sleek turret]

go off monarch

[grim tusk]

[grim tusk]

Wtf does she have to do with this?

[umbral gazelle]

i just want to post her thats all

i love her stare

Pray tell, arth thou a Don Quixote fan as well?!

[grave zinc]

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a brief cutscene showing the Slime God turning into Queen Slime]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[misty lichen]

one

[distant gyro]

mitosis??

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[More 0 slot summons]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Forbidden Circlet show your hair.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a brief cutscene showing the Slime God turning into Queen Slime]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lucid marsh - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove pointless Jungle materials]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Pyre Mantle Walls Obtainable]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[fleet grotto]

havent some of these already been do

[novel belfry]

????????

[novel belfry]

cool

[keen ore]

would it be good to suggest to make a consistent acid rain tier 1 item obtainment?
for example rusty beacon prototype can be found in rusty chests, but if u dont, u need to kill eye of cthulhu to get it

[sand marlin]

That is consistent though

If you don't get it from the chests you always have the acid rain available

...I mean, always after eye Ig

I believe that is not a spot where it loses viability or anything of the sort

[keen ore]

to me after EoC RBP loses its power a lot

because it fares well only against hordes of enemies or segmented bosses after EoC

[sand marlin]

Yeah? What's wrong with that?

That was its original purpose anyway

It's pretty much an aura

[keen ore]

well idk, but this aint feeling right

[sand marlin]

You're free to feel that way, but it is what it is

Also, worst case scenario you can just shimmer whatever else you got into scales and then craft it

[keen ore]

eh ok

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/863216344585076736.png?size=160&name=ech

[hollow verge]

awww i liked this one

[languid umbra]

My suggestion is still under review

Hopefully it passes

[restive wharf]

Killing the calamity dev team

The only changes they make to vanilla are usually nerfs and unfunification

Master reworks are an exception but that's about it

[median scaffold]

That's a nerf to our sanity, wdym??

[sand marlin]

If you're not being serious you should be more careful about your phrasing because that looks terrible

[restive wharf]

I'm just saying

They nerfed cactus boulders, the pogo stick mount

Traps

[sand marlin]

They also made deerclops not horrible

I don't think you can generalize that

[boreal olive]

is "make mollusk armor buff fishing power" a valid suggestion

[sleek turret]

Probably

[echo leaf]

Yeah, as long as you have sufficient reasoning

[sand marlin]

Hm, that's an interesting idea

I'm not sure how it'd fit in with the Sunken Sea Overhaul though, they probably already have plans for Mollusk armor

[echo leaf]

Good point…

Actually, even if they do have plans, there isn’t really any reason they shouldn’t just slap +20 fishing power onto it

Unless they’re axing it completely, ‘course

[sand marlin]

That's not how things work

[sleek turret]

You can't really suggest anything sunken sea related for now since everything is planned

[sand marlin]

If it was a fully combat based rework for example, fishing power would be very random

[sleek turret]

Plans,... Plans and more Plans that are planned planning plans

[sand marlin]

Beloved dev plans

[sleek turret]

Plans planning planned plans when plans have been planned during the planning of planned plans when planning has alredy been planned alredy on a plan that is planned to start being planned this planned Monday

[drowsy plank]

so should this be flagged or

[echo leaf]

I suppose that makes sense

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, and just ignoring the fact half of changes to vanilla weapons and armor are buffs

[fossil finch]

not ev

[sleek turret]

True... True

[novel belfry]

wasnt he talking about how the devs decided not to make a cutscene showing that the Slime God and the Queen Slime are the same thing

[golden sonnet]

No

[fossil finch]

He was

Like he was using the denial as an example of Calamity doing lame vanilla changes instead of good ones

[novel belfry]

there have been good vanilla changes

its just that enemy design has generally not been one of those

[sand marlin]

For what it is, it's fine in vanilla

The bad enemies are rather rare

I think I've said this before but people have too high standards for vanilla enemies

[novel belfry]

no they got significantly nerfed

enemies in general arent threatening enough

[sand marlin]

Oh wait I'm stupid

Ignore what I said

I was just blanking into something else entirely

[median scaffold]

I think we all kinda agree that enemies are nothing, but a pushover most of the time

[crude geode]

This is why I’m not a big fan of the massive sweeping nerfs to difficult vanilla enemies

[echo leaf]

I feel like that’s fine though. They give pushback when exploring in certain areas when you’re supposed to explore them, and exploring easier, earlier areas is trivial

[crude geode]

It doesn’t seem like it’s being replaced with more difficult but fair enemies, so it just feels like gutting any chance of feeling threatened in normal exploration

[echo leaf]

The underground jungle is tough pre-boss because it’s supposed to be- you have the challenge of man eaters and hornets for the reward of jungle spores and jungle chests

[crude geode]

Early hardmode and pre-boss is really the only time I feel threatened by enemies in cal

[sleek turret]

vanilla enemies nerfs from calamity suck in particular because as soon as you get a boss killer weapon (most if not all weapons on any stage) the enemies just vanish

wow it's like the game is inciting me to explore stuff faster so that I can fight the boss faster

WOOW it's like the entire game is boss-centric

[echo leaf]

I liked building farms

[sleek turret]

Sure

[median scaffold]

Just FTW, iirc

[glass arch]

honestly this is legendary do we really care all that much

[median scaffold]

We kinda should, since Legendary isn't a joke in its entirety?

[echo leaf]

legendary mode makes cobalt and aerilate available pre-boss, and if the devs didn't do anything about that I don't think they'd do anything about it here

[static anvil]

cobalt spawning is intended behavior

inferno fork pre-hm is a result of another change

[echo leaf]

Ah

[vestal lark]

Can we just remove Diabolists entirely actually?

[median scaffold]

No.

[olive saddle]

Diabolists are the fuckin

Inferno form cunts right

Fork

[vestal lark]

Mhm.

[olive saddle]

Ah. Joy.

As if legendary couldn't be anymore annoying

[vestal lark]

It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't teleport after EVERY HIT YOU LAND ON THEM

RAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHH

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/923321343003459595/1226598104640258088/Lonas.gif?ex=66255981&is=6612e481&hm=ce17c5a2d1388e8451628ed08ab2741a6f81024bbad48fee630fed332fc60338&

[olive saddle]

[median scaffold]

That's a legendary for ya, babyy

[fleet grotto]

fortheworthy is a joke difficulty in calamity, same as gfb

[olive saddle]

I think its less of a joke but me not sure

[fleet grotto]

but those fuckers are terrible please kill them

atleast make it so there can only be one like jesus

[median scaffold]

Are they nerfed in Skeletron fight?

Or they're straight up Diabolists...?

[fleet grotto]

i don't think so

[olive saddle]

Exsqueeze me what

How

[median scaffold]

Ah, yes

A pre-hm boss spawning a post-plantera enemy, that has... uhh... quite a lot of HP, defense and annoying as fuck to deal with

So legendary

[fleet grotto]

actually now that i think about it theyr definitely weaker

i remember taking 100 damage from them

[olive saddle]

You say that as if 100 isnt a lot

[fleet grotto]

still a lot but every boss did like 100 damage (if not more) (king slime)

[olive saddle]

King slime does an unreasonable amount of damage and i dont know how

Its a giant sentient glob of slime

Why is it doing more damage than a fucking skeleton shooting skulls at me

[fleet grotto]

king slime isn't even the bad part in ftw

it's the god damn rainbow slimes that deal like 500 damage

[sand marlin]

Because contact damage gets an exclusive boost in FTW

[olive saddle]

I mean conceptually

A glob of goop shouldn't deal more damage than a cursed skeleton

[sand marlin]

It's probably heavier than anything you've seen at that point

[olive saddle]

Now that brings the question of what the fuck is in that slime

[sand marlin]

Do you just assume slimes are lightweight?

[olive saddle]

I would imagine since you take a part of them and put it on a torch but that doesn't mean shit considering its the terrarian

I would imagine its light because its slime but maybe it isnt

[sand marlin]

In vanilla FTW isn't like a joke seed entirely but it's moreso comically difficult/bs and even sets some progression back like sky islands... actually just sky islands, cal technically takes the gfb approach with the hardmode tier 1(-3 formerly) ore planetoids so it's in a bit of a weird spot

[golden sonnet]

Also like, some ftw things are just kinda jokes, even in vanilla

Like skeletron prime blowing up blocks is not difficulty, it is literally just annoyance and jokey

[static anvil]

if the changes were actually documented it would be nice also

[golden sonnet]

And even GFB doesn't keep that

[olive saddle]

Its in YuHs sandbox, the boss changes anyways

I can find it if you want

[static anvil]

yes please

[olive saddle]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/User:Lilsigtum/Sandbox

I think anyways

Yeo

Yep

[sand marlin]

Well it's definitely obnoxious but I don't think its impact in terrain can be ignored as that'll fuck with your footing. I used hardmode ores as the floor and side walls for that reason instead of using an unoccupied area

Imagine you fall into one of the holes and get stuck there, that's pretty much a death sentence

[static anvil]

yharon spawning dragonfolly is also a horrible change that encourages boring fights but thats another topic

[sand marlin]

Isn't that gfb

[echo leaf]

it happens in gfb because gfb inherits ftw

but on ftw, on specifically legendary, he summons follyfriends

[sand marlin]

Huh, interesting

Well that further shows cal taking ftw more jokingly than vanilla

I don't care that much tbh ftw and gfb are both just not meant to be played regularly at all and not seriously either

[echo leaf]

yeah

[olive saddle]

ares permaenrage

Also thanatos dealing like 800 contact damage lol

[sand marlin]

I also remember this old as fuck run, ftw master journey was something

[echo leaf]

all contact damage on legendary is fucked

I looove Grand Marquis bait and I absolutely agree that it'd be great to have more

I burn through it so fast with multiple hooks!

But your suggestion is really long and the information can be cut down a bit.

[sand marlin]

I don't really think that marquis baits are that important but increasing yield for later quests shouldn't be an issue

If you're at that stage then you already have really good fishing gear that makes marquis bait's bonus power above master bait insignificant

Byeah I would not be against buffing the rates conditionally

I think the latter part of the suggestion drags on for a bit too much so you could just cut that down

[echo leaf]

Yeah, there's really no reason not to buff the drop rate a bit. At least as a reward for 50, 100 and maybe 250 quests

[sand marlin]

Thinking past 50 quests is unrealistic

There are people who don't even fish you know, even those who fish don't really get to 50 almost ever

[echo leaf]

That makes sense, I guess. I think I'm only at 50-ish right now anyways

[sand marlin]

It's kinda just saying the same thing over and over so it doesn't add much to the suggestion

[sand marlin]

@safe oxide criticism from here and down fyi

[safe oxide]

tru

[safe oxide]

u read my mind

[safe oxide]

O mean

it's just a concept

the point of the whole suggestion is to increase at least a little the yield of the baits past certain point

[sand marlin]

That specifically wasn't to you, I saw the phrasing already

[safe oxide]

I mean

[echo leaf]

Most of the content of the suggestion can be cut down, and shorter suggestions tend to be recieved better

[safe oxide]

it's ridiculous u just get 2-5 baits per quest

[safe oxide]

true

should've done that

[echo leaf]

Oh I agree- but not much more needs to be said

[safe oxide]

I feel like not a lot of people know marquitus baits anyway

[safe oxide]

true

[echo leaf]

The suggestion won't get fed into the bot for another 24 hours so do amend it however you see fit

[safe oxide]

that means I can edit it

?

[echo leaf]

Yep!

[median scaffold]

Fishing is much easier in Calamity, ngl, but I agree with the suggestion

[safe oxide]

done

[safe oxide]

The problem is rather that with "multishot" fishing poles the baits go directly to a black hole

what that makes is basically make Marquitus Baits a treasure that u only use "When needed" (AKA: Basically never)

I also took away like five paragraphs out of my suggestion

[median scaffold]

Yeah, good enough in my opinion

[safe oxide]

Strongest Infernum fan vs Weakest Journey mode enjoyer jeffb_

[sand marlin]

[safe oxide]

Another solution would be adding more fishing accesories too

at least one

cuz there's like

only three

even if they're focused only on decreased bait consumption

[echo leaf]

There are enough

[safe oxide]

no wait

even better

what if they add like

a potion related to bait consumption

[sand marlin]

Those three being?

[safe oxide]

wouldn't that be cool

[sand marlin]

That just seems random and not fitting anywhere

[safe oxide]

The alluring bait, the enchanted pearl and the SUPREME BAIT TACKLE BOX FISHING STATION!!!!11!1!!!!1!1

That's gotta be my favorite name for an accesory ever

[sand marlin]

Where is the bobber

[safe oxide]

The bobber is vanilla

that's true tho

[echo leaf]

You can stack the Angler Earring line with each other for 10 fishing power each

Alternatively you can invest in luck like the Old Die or Greedy Ring (which conveniently means switching to a fishing loadout means cheaper goods!)

[safe oxide]

I think u can't

I tried it and it didn't work

[echo leaf]

You can

[safe oxide]

You can!?

[echo leaf]

Tackle Bag + Lavaproof Tackle Bag is essentially just a lavaproof bag with 10 extra fishing power

The tackle box and high-tension fishing line aspects don't stack but the fishing power does

[sand marlin]

I guess more fishing accessories wouldn't be a bad suggestion, if presented properly

[safe oxide]

true

[sand marlin]

I think someone already had a shot at this, may have not passed voting though

[echo leaf]

But what would they do that current fishing accessories don't already?

[safe oxide]

I mean

It's not necessary

[safe oxide]

Exactly

That's what I was about to say

They can make them they increase your fishing power irl

do u imagine

[sand marlin]

Idk.

[safe oxide]

I feel like fishing is already good enough that it is, the only thing that I don't like is the marquitus bait yields

[sleek turret]

yeag this sugg is peak

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[lucid marsh]

Just make the bandit wear multiple party hats

That they stole

[hollow shell]

@umbral gazelle That's the joke.

She stole her own party hat so she doesn't have it anymore, because it's stolen.

The flawed logic when you continue that line of thinking, with "Wait, then it didn't change owners, she should still have it", is part of the joke.

[misty lichen]

unfortunately did not laugh

[hollow shell]

something something joke explaining like frog dissection

[crude geode]

The joke is now funny, you may now laugh

[umbral gazelle]

i thought its oversight

[drowsy plank]

@static anvil to my knowledge changes in legendary are basically a joke, and even if it wasnt this would go in #1052323733961977947 as an oversight

[fleet grotto]

these recent suggestions suck

[crude geode]

Very constructive

[sleek turret]

Hello there! I'm Peter Griffin and I will explain the joke:

[harsh echo]

marquitus bait

[harsh echo]

@heady hatch

this is a bug

[heady hatch]

oh

[harsh echo]

u gotta break a specific tile

[sand marlin]

Yeah, top right always worked for me

[umbral gazelle]

this is awful

[harsh echo]

strangest bug

[heady hatch]

so should I remove the suggestion or leave it so more people know about it?

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[median scaffold]

Drop this to #1052323733961977947

[heady hatch]

Ok

[dense ferry]

It's been fixed recently, actually

[heady hatch]

Nope, just destroyed one Altar didn't give me any soul of night

[dense ferry]

Not public versions

It's been fixed in dev

[heady hatch]

Oh

[hollow verge]

ohhhhh is that why the altars sometimes dont drop the souls?

i just thought it was rng if it dropped any or not...

[golden sonnet]

nah, just obscure bugs

glad to hear it was fixed tho

[harsh echo]

yes

[vestal lark]

Would a suggestion to change the Cnidrion's water blasts from big masses of Dusts to actual projectiles for visibility be worth making?

[golden sonnet]

normally yes, however the sunken sea overhaul is the next (major) update, and devs have mentioned they have plans to rework cnidrion in it

[vestal lark]

Yeah I was thinking that.

[golden sonnet]

so it would probably just be locked as there are plans for it already

[fossil finch]

this is a very won't happen suggestion

[misty lichen]

it’s also a very should happen suggestion

[errant wren]

it's also a suggestion with punctuation

[timber flume]

worth it to ask even if chances are slim

[junior tendon]

real

[hollow verge]

how do i downvote a sugg, i love mecha mayhem sm 😭 its such a cool fight

[glass arch]

simply dont vote for it

[hollow verge]

💯

[glass arch]

and its not asking for a removal of mecha mayhem its asking for moving sprimes mater+ mecha mayhem to ftw

[hollow verge]

yeah i want it to stay where it is

i dont want to play ftw for a cool boss fight that honestly isnt That bad

[echo leaf]

There are always ways around it

[hollow verge]

skeletron prime master+rev was a lore-fitting delight and im upset that he cant summon the hoes in expert+rev

[echo leaf]

use cheats maybe?

[frail fox]

Oblivion is my favorite part of the Calamity lore

[hollow verge]

i wouldn't know how. it took me a lot just to figure out how to-- sjfhsjfnd

that cut my thoughts entirely

i cant remember what i was gonna say 😭

[sleek turret]

yea

[coral carbon]

"it would fit much more well in a difficulty where the player knows what they’re getting into, namely, For the Worthy." I highly doubt you'd be playing Master Rev+ without knowing what you're getting into

[fossil finch]

that's also shaky

[coral carbon]

yeah i was

disagreeing with the suggestion

[fossil finch]

we were agreeing with you

[timber flume]

my main problems with the boss are that it kind of sets in stone an order to do the mechs, and that there isn't really any clarity in the mod about the changes before one is already dealing with them

which is more of a problem in that master mode cant be disabled without other mods

[median scaffold]

Chat, FTW is cancelable without external mods

[novel belfry]

I actually recently beat oblivion skeletron as my second mech boss

[sleek turret]

I actually recently beat oblivion skeletron as my first mech boss (this is just an anecdote)

Why do you believe that it sets in stone an order to do the mechs, that is the question

[coral carbon]

the fuck is oblivion skeletron

[sleek turret]

oblivion (the boss from avalon mod) skeletron (prime, the vanilla boss)

[timber flume]

pretty much every video ive seen on the fight is done post-2 mechs

[sleek turret]

oblivion skeletron being one of the changes in master I think idk

since Cal really loves referencing the stuff from avalon so much they gotta reprise him

[timber flume]

ive removed the suggestion at this point, it's getting nerfed anyway

[drowsy plank]

i sent a sugg about this

still no respone :)

[crude geode]

blood moon spawn rates are always going to be something argued over I feel

specifically because it is purely luck based on the moment when they first happen in a playthrough (outside of farming graveyard)

so you could get it before you fight a boss, or before you're about to fight yharon

there's a lot of things people have cooked up to counteract this, and I think reducing the spawn rates is by far the worst option since there's many more clever ways (letting bloody tear toggle it, making the chances scale in progression, have it only spawn once reaching a certain health threshold like EoC, etc.) than just gutting any chance of it spawning naturally

[echo leaf]

A 200 HP minimum makes sense

Some players may intentionally keep their health below whatever the threshold for natural goblin/EoC spawns are so throwing blood moon in there wouldn't be too crazy of a change

[fossil finch]

that's already a thing actually

It's just a 120 hp minimum instead

So one life crystal

[echo leaf]

Oh, neato. Good!

I haven't really struggled with blood moons

[crude geode]

that's funny af

[royal tapir]

Calamity changes it to 200

[hollow verge]

reducing the blood moon spawns is probably the last thing id want 😭 just lock the doors

theyre not hard to counter if u wanna go inside. place a platform right next to the door, on the inside. door locked. hang out and focus on crafting while the blood moon expires

[coral carbon]

please do NOT reduce blood moon spawn rates jesus christ

the worst part of terraria is already waiting for rng stuff like this

oh wait

they mean like

the enemies

not how often a blood moon happens

sorry ill see myself out.

[echo leaf]

I use torches next to doors, furniture too!

[umbral gazelle]

please buff blood moon enemy spawn rate they dont satisfy my urge to kill

[misty lichen]

you should try homicide

[ripe owl]

#suggestions-posting message that's gonna be disastrous

On the other hand

@bronze linden too much effort as it is nigh impossible to be able to move the sun in the game

[bronze linden]

fair

[ripe owl]

The best you could do is like add a scroll to a specific time

But that's not really a thing for the Cosmolight

[hollow shell]

@alpine dawn #suggestions-posting message What difficulty mode are you playing on?

[alpine dawn]

death

well death & infernum i swap between the two, usually when inf breaks i swap to death
though while on death the spawn rates are still the same

[misty lichen]

should specify death mode in the title since that is a death mode feature

the spawn rate being 3x the normal or whatever it is

[hollow shell]

Is it a Death feature? Trying to check that now

[alpine dawn]

I dont have any other major content mods added so like i doubt some random qol mod causes it?

[hollow shell]

Okay yes I just checked the source, Blood Moon boosts spawn rates massively in Death Mode specifically

[alpine dawn]

👁️

[hollow shell]

Over double that of a Zerg potion.

[alpine dawn]

WHYYY

actual cancer
it isnt like fair difficulty its just annoying as hell

[hollow shell]

So yeah, you can narrow that down in your suggestion

Just Death Things

(Oh, VCMM even has a unique Blood Moon theme in Death because of this feature)

The spawn rate boost itself wasn't documented on the wiki though. Weird!

I've now added it

[lucid marsh]

That sun control idea is pretty cool

Too bad it's not possible

[umbral gazelle]

shouldve been Tenebre Rosso Sanguine

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-voting message M we need this reposted sometime later ngl, I think that'd be quite good

[gray bone]

agreed

[harsh echo]

so, why don't we delete the bandit suggestion lmao

[median scaffold]

[sleek turret]

peak sugg

[river lily]

why is there a suggestion to remove a joke

😭

Remove zombies. Zombies do not exist in real life.

[harsh echo]

43 stars

this server sucks

[sleek turret]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[umbral gazelle]

honestly i dont even know what i did either

[sleek turret]

cambridgemaxx your thoughts

easy

[umbral gazelle]

I thought its oversight and i forgot to remove it, yet no remind me to remove it! The fault lies with YOU!

And when it accidentally vent to #suggestions-voting people keep voting it, and you have yet to stop them! The fault lies with you once again!

[sleek turret]

Just let it I think

Make suggestion, answer to some arguements, edit suggestion, leave

[umbral gazelle]

+1 to suggestion delivery limit
no contribution

[sleek turret]

what limit

[umbral gazelle]

i love when my useless suggestion eat a spot of good suggestion being sent to dev server

[sleek turret]

how there can there be a limit

[harsh echo]

No one?

[umbral gazelle]

i forgor to removw,,, sorry

[umbral gazelle]

star eating suggestion

[sleek turret]

????

[harsh echo]

suggestion thinks its astrum deus nahhh

[umbral gazelle]

people KEEP voting for my stupid suggestion instead of voting for a good one

[sleek turret]

if top 20% suggs in the week get delivered then the amount of suggs that can be delivered is indetermined

amazing revelation

[umbral gazelle]

i have brain damage

wait no i dont have brain

#suggestions-posting message it spawn more frequently on the outer third of the world?

i never know that

[harsh echo]

You can hear a braincell in PunnawatO's brain saying: "there isn't enough room in this skull for the two of us!"

[umbral gazelle]

joke on you i got zero brain cells

[harsh echo]

yes, that's because the standoff ended in a draw

[wary pier]

yeah like the Martians Probe

or whatever it called

[drowsy plank]

you have to consider this is a summoner armor

and that the only other summoner armor is flinx

also i just

disagree

fossil is way harder to get than wulfrum

[errant wren]

you also get more cores from wulfrum enemies that get supercharged by the amplifier iirc

[drowsy plank]

yup

and the amplifier always spawns 2 enemies with it so

honestly im just gonna flag this

there's way too much that just isn't accurate

[errant wren]

the only real issue in that is if you go in unprepared

[wary pier]

idk i get it withing the first 20 minuts or so

but i guess you're right, just bad luck

[errant wren]

anyways i've had my contribution to the conversation

have fun y'all

[wary pier]

u2

[drowsy plank]

underground desert is like the hardest underground other than jungle and desert fossils need an extractinator and you can also just end up with practically no sturdy fossils, which is way more rng and harder to get than wulfrum which, if you just make sure the amplifier's minions actually get inside of its ring, literally guarantees the three cores on the first encounter

[wary pier]

might be my luck, i'm just salty that i've spent 2 hours yesterday just to get those bastards

[drowsy plank]

lol

[wary pier]

don't even get me started at first Blood Moon pre-Providence

[drowsy plank]

you can get a bloody tear from graveyard bride/groom spawns ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wary pier]

i know, but again - rng. it either first 15 minutes or post DoG

[drowsy plank]

im explaining the method to bypass said rng, and we mentioned earlier that they only start spawning once you're at 200 HP

so eh

[wary pier]

aight, thanks anyway. good night

[sand marlin]

@shrewd topaz currently summoner balance is largely in the works so devs already have plans for rebalancing summoner in SSO, pretty much all summoner suggestions that impact balance will be locked due to this so I don't think this suggestion would pass

Well, locked if it gets into voting in the first place since preemptive exclamation is a pretty reasonable outcome

Oh you deleted it

[shrewd topaz]

Yea just wanted to throw it out there :p Just rechecking to see if there’s any armor that already removes the restriction like fearmonger armor or whatever. I still want to make the suggestion but more so on fun summon types/ armors that could be added/changed than balance now

Also didn’t format it correctly lol, sorry

[harsh echo]

are there any clues about what they're doing to summoner

[sleek turret]

some whips are going to be flat tag whips while others are going to be multiplicative tags

general summon rebalance and accessory rebalance

[harsh echo]

sounds powerful

[sand marlin]

Basically nerf things down until they have a reasonable contribution in a fight rather than being above 100% by miles like current

[sleek turret]

mostly

but yea those are the uhh major details

[obsidian root]

Hey been a while since I had been here (Like a year or two). Just a question. I remember seeing a certain suggestion in the pins about "Yharim's Army" (It was telling people not to request that presumably because so many did). Was this ever planned or did it just fall through/ was never planned at all?

[worthy lintel]

its been tossed in the vault since but its not abandonned

[obsidian root]

Ok thanks

[lucid marsh]

Hey so uh, lore and gameplay wise, it would make sense for the wings of the armors that make auric armor to also work with auric armor, or be combinable into some kind of auric wings with all the benefits combined

But they don't, probably for balance reasons

By gameplay wise, I mean because auric armor contains all the other ones

Should I make a suggestion about this? I think I did a while ago

[golden sonnet]

wdym

they do

or at least silva does

[harsh echo]

ngl

seraph tracers should be like auric wings that have a set bonus with auric armor

[echo leaf]

Do Tarragon wings work with Auric Tesla?

[echo leaf]

it used to have a bonus effect but it was ripped away from its needy arms

[steep patrol]

Auric Tesla should have Tarragon armor DR

[harsh echo]

:/

what was its bonus

[echo leaf]

Bonus i-frames

I don’t remember how many… I didn’t play at that point

[harsh echo]

o

[steep patrol]

30 after taking 200 or more damage in 1 hit

[echo leaf]

Ah, thank you

[steep patrol]

It is moved to rampart btw

[glass arch]

yeah theres a reason it was removed

said reason was

jesus fucking christ it was too good

[languid umbra]

Didn't know this happened

[lucid marsh]

Last I checked, it doesn't

If the Silva wings worked with auric armor, you'd revive to half health, but last I checked, you don't

If I remember correctly, anyways. I could be wrong

[golden sonnet]

They do make you revive with half

[proper granite]

this is the most inconsistent method for getting blood moon ever devised

youd literally be better off going afk in a bed

[golden sonnet]

Last I checked at least. Can test in game sometime tomorrow

[royal tapir]

It only works with Silva armor

[golden sonnet]

Huh, I could've sworn it worked for Tesla too

I'm like actually going crazy

I thought the wiki said it too, but can't find that either

[wide river]

I believe there was a suggestion or two about that very change a while ago
Can't remember when though

[drowsy plank]

you can get blood orbs from graveyard enemies now too im pretty sure, so you can just craft it too

regardless, im not sure how a guaranteed enemy spawn and a fairly high drop rate is less consistent than wasting a bunch of time afk in a bed; at least with one you're actually playing the game

[golden sonnet]

I'm gonna blame some nebulous fake concept like the Mandela affect instead of accepting I am just dumb and gaslit myself

[wide river]

This is the only one I can find and it was... almost a year ago jeez
#suggestions-voting message

[lucid marsh]

I did that, I think it was rejected

Which is lame as hell and kills set variety

There is one objectively best option for mobility and it is the auric boot wings

[proper granite]

guaranteed? bride/groom are highly rare to see from a graveyard and even if you find one youll have to kill 5 in a row on average (20%)

i tried doing this once and the chances are so genuinely awful youre better off waiting until you can skip time with the cosmolight or just flat out cheating it in 90% of the time

you could use zerg but the only reason you'd want a blood moon post-skeletron is that you REALLY want pre-wof lifeforce potions

[gaunt needle]

blood moon boosts all enemy spawns, so you might want to summon it for mob farming (especially in death mode)

[arctic barn]

i want to make a suggestion to include the 5:37-5:59 part in supreme calamitas theme

the transition part from lament to epiphany

as this part arent included ingame

i mean there are a few parts of supreme calamitas theme that arent included ingame like

the intro part (which is not needed really, could be a either a configuration, or only happens on first fight and never again)

around 3:20-3:26 (some of transition part from grief to lament)

obviously the lament to epiphany transition part

the epiphany to acceptance transition are included ingame though

[sand marlin]

Ok there's something seriously wrong with graveyard

Like nothing spawns ever

Why are the spawn rates pitiful in a graveyard

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message @ashen warren #1178515062030348308 !

[short stream]

I think tracers are well balanced anyway. I use them more often than wings for that sweet horizontal movement

[median scaffold]

Idk, I feel like tracers should also benifit in something else and not only in horizontal movement (which is often overshadowed by vertical movement)

[sand marlin]

Really the only tracers that need anything is Elysian Tracers which will be tiershifted probably

[harsh echo]

what if seraph tracers had combined abilities of Tarragon and silva wings when paired with Auric Tesla

how is bandit sugg at 54 stars

[median scaffold]

You know what, it could technically work

[harsh echo]

fr watch me cook

[whole tundra]

Horizontal Ground Movement* as wings are faster horizontally when in the air

[sand marlin]

That's not true

Tracers are faster horizontally midair

Unless you meant like, horizontal ground movement is worse than horizontal aerial movement

That'd make sense

[umbral gazelle]

i cant stop them

[sand marlin]

Damn this is becoming frequently suggested almost #suggestions-posting message

Not for good reason

And not quite the same thing I'm thinking of buy yeah. Tracers are meant to be alternates to Wings, trading flight stats for boots functionality so I don't think this is happening

[harsh echo]

damn.

[whole tundra]

@harsh echo Seraph Tracers don't even have better horizontal movement, only on the ground is that fact true

[sand marlin]

.

The only exception is maybe Silva Wings versus Elysian Tracers which yeah, Elysian Tracers are bad enough that they're probably worse at that too

[harsh echo]

well tracers have bad design then

[whole tundra]

Seraph Tracers
Horizontal speed: 11.00

Drew's wings
Horizontal speed: 11.50

[sand marlin]

Those are base stats yes

#suggestions-discussion message this is somewhat outdated but there's a big enough difference between Tracers and Wings.

[harsh echo]

so worth it

[sand marlin]

Then make a suggestion to change them, not this

[golden sonnet]

and to be fair, in this test they remove movement bonuses when using elysian wings which like, is not how that works

[harsh echo]

my sugg still changes them

was this particular kind of sugg rejected before?

[sand marlin]

No it just says make Seraph Tracers better than Drew's Wings

Yes.

[golden sonnet]

that's part of the wings, you wouldn't remove bonuses when using them

just seems silly and intentionally skews results

[sand marlin]

Fair enough, just ignore Elysian Wings

Well not that there's an on tier Tracers for a comparison

[languid umbra]

@heady hatch Players when they go to the jungle lab and get obliterated by plague missiles

[harsh echo]

good

[languid umbra]

Pretty funny

[umbral gazelle]

dear god please make that happen it would be so funny

the underworld lab security system has made another barbeque

[echo leaf]

because fuck anyone who wants to get an easy extractinator

[umbral gazelle]

TRUE

sunken sea lab forcefully force you to take a bath until you catch a cold

[languid umbra]

Maybe if they nerf damage it'll be fine

Good suggestion though I like it

[heady hatch]

Thanks 😄

[golden sonnet]

Worth noting is that enemy versions of them all already exist in code pretty sure

@shrewd topaz this suggestion already passed and was planned to be implemented but they chose not for balancing

[shrewd topaz]

Ah thanks

[echo leaf]

psst

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, thanks for the source

It might be more feasible after the great summoner rebalance, but even then I'm doubtful

[drowsy plank]

lab turrent sugg is goofy esp when some of the turrets are just flat stronger

you do not actually want to deal with these variants

[golden sonnet]

I mean, it would make sense that the labs intended for later in progression get harder defenses

[drowsy plank]

abyss sugg is good tho i think calval or inf already adds an item like this

[drowsy plank]

i spose, but it's such a big gap rn
idk

i guess we'll see how it does

[fossil finch]

You can block them with two blocks is it really All That

[golden sonnet]

And like, you can still just wall them all off, and I'm pretty sure every lab has a way to mine them through the floor without even placing anything

[echo leaf]

calamity vanites, yeah

[golden sonnet]

Doesn't infernum have one too?

[drowsy plank]

tfw plague doing 2-3x the damage of lab

[sand marlin]

It's calval

[shrewd topaz]

So what happened? How broken was it lol I don’t get the damage calcs lol

[sand marlin]

If you're thinking about Inf, Inf only gives infinite breath during AS and Wyrm

Calval has the Shrine of Respiration

[golden sonnet]

From that specific test, it took about 30 seconds off the killtime for plaguebringer Goliath

[drowsy plank]

i mean the whole point is using the other turrets which do more than lab, im pretty some have piercing and homing, and back when the turrets behaved like this it was super annoying to deal with; id rather they be pushovers than actively obnoxious

[golden sonnet]

And when you are dealing with ~2:00 min killtimes that's like almost a 25% reduction in killtime

[sand marlin]

I do want to point out Xeno Staff are not especially strong on PbG as it's a larger and tankier target, as opposed to Empress where they'd work better so when you combine that with Flak Kraken, Flak Kraken kinda skews it

Ok wait

This is an awkward comparison nvm

Is there a test using the same things with the summoner penalty?

[golden sonnet]

You mean with flak kraken still?

[sand marlin]

Yes

[shrewd topaz]

I mean it’s faster but how much faster is it compared to non summoner classes? Also the old ones armors are just individually strong because no one uses their full set in Vanilla (Valhalla knight chest plate lol) if they get a better set can’t the numbers be toned down a bit anyway?

[golden sonnet]

As the whip scenario wouldn't involve penalty

[golden sonnet]

Summoner already generally has the fastest killtimes

[echo leaf]

If Flak Kraken did 56% then that's a 25% penalty onto the remaining 44%, so...

[golden sonnet]

^

But for tests themselves you would have to ask Angel

[echo leaf]

I'm not good at math! And I need a nap!

[sand marlin]

Keep in mind defense calculations

So that's not accurate

[shrewd topaz]

There’s a remove summoner nerf mod so I can test it later :p

[echo leaf]

Aww, hell- does summon damage penalty apply before defense?

[sand marlin]

You're looking at the wrong thing

Just like

I would say don't bother at all without real time testing

This is already really complex

[sand marlin]

If you're gonna do that, do the same things before the nerf then do them after, so 4 tests. Just to have a sample of your tests in general to gauge

There's something nefarious called tester variance

[shrewd topaz]

I can run it multiple times in case I get good rolls :p ranger is especially annoying since you have a lot of crit stuff

[keen ore]

it would be funny to suggest adding voice lines to scal and draedon lol

[sand marlin]

I'm not talking about doing the same tests for getting an average value, that'd be too much work for little gain. Basically just do Xeno on PbG with Spooky/Dark Harvest, then Red Riding with Flak Kraken with summoner penalty, then without summoner penalty, I meant 3 tests.

Refer to the tester gear doc as well which is uhh

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Se4YqERWn9EqajS39Dv5W-T1A0o7NsAh9y445z3-mhA/edit#gid=1409962774

That's all you need to know. I think

[shrewd topaz]

Looking it over and in the Red Riding test do I still run a whip with Ichor flask to get the defense shred throughout the fight? It says flasks are fine but that still seems like violating Rule 3?

[sand marlin]

Don't use support weapons yes

That would be a separate test

[sleek turret]

another soul sold to the calamity tester gear reference document

[shrewd topaz]

lol

[echo leaf]

major effort 🥺

[fossil finch]

also not a good idea

[drowsy plank]

isnt this intentional or already changed in the upcoming update or smthn

[gray bone]

i remember raesh saying it's intentional but i can't find the source for that

[novel belfry]

Make the Deep Wounder fishable from the post-Cal Clone Sulphurous Sea instead of being bought

[royal tapir]

This is intentional yes
As a non-Depth Cell craft, it's not strictly bound to post-Levi
Plus I felt like keeping stuff unlocked by Cal Clone

[harsh echo]

aw damn

[grim tusk]

@ashen warren since no one explained why tracers have less flight time to you, allow me to explain:
They give far more horizontal movement as well as on the ground due to being wings + boots; which frees an accessory slot that you can use to run whatever; even accessories that increase your flight time (Soaring/Ascendant Insignia, Aero stone, etc) if you feel that you're missing on it due to not running pure wings

Wings on the other hand dont give as much horizontal and ground mobility which is usually amended with accessories like boots or mobility boosters like Soaring Insignia (it also gives mobility, something vanilla does not tell you) or you have to struggle with the decreased horizontal mobility

It is in fact a tradeoff, now this doesnt mean that you should use exclusively use Tracers or Wings (altho I do agree that Elysian Tracers might need a slight bit of help)

[harsh echo]

let's see.. which post ML bosses can i rungod...

[grim tusk]

Exo mechs if you get enough mobility iirc

[echo leaf]

yeah, you can rungod some of the exos

[harsh echo]

incredible

[dense locust]

where are you getting the more horizontal movement from? from what I can tell 2/3 tracers are same/worse horizontally than their wing counterparts, celestial is the only one this remotely holds true for and even then its only around 8% faster than solar/stardust wings, not really what I would consider "far more"

[grim tusk]

try running on the ground

this is more prevalent on Providence and DoG

or the buffed Ravager

and to an extent Signus

[frosty trellis]

You all are on the ground when fighting dog?

I prefer wings for everything that isn't Exos specifically because I'm never just running on the ground or dont' feel like the extra horizontal mobility is more valuable than the flight time

[glass arch]

elysians need far more than slight bit

[echo leaf]

There are plans to kill one of Demonic Bone Ash or Ancient Bone Dust

[alpine dawn]

BOTH PLEASE 🙏

who goes "mm i cant wait to farm for some ANCIENT BONE DUST!!"

[fossil finch]

calamity may never see release from the material bloat, we're always going to be cursed

It has been this way for the past 8 years it will be this way for the next 2

[alpine dawn]

ancient bone dust can literally just be replaced by BONES

[echo leaf]

The issue with ancient bone dust and demonic bone ash is you never need to farm them

They're everywhere

[alpine dawn]

yeah and they clutter my inventory and they suck for that

[echo leaf]

Bones are post-Skeletron, ancient bone dust is pre-boss

[alpine dawn]

everything (other than armor polish) wouldnt really change that way

[fossil finch]

it doesn't meaningfully retier anything calcium potion should die

[alpine dawn]

and maybe calcium potion?

but yeah like

who gaf abt calcium potion

[echo leaf]

Ideally Calcium dies and Bounding inherits its effect

[fossil finch]

no calcium should just doe

Want fall damage prevention? We have a tool for that it's called: lucky horseshoe/fledging wings

[alpine dawn]

or just get better and press space before hitting the ground

[echo leaf]

There's a niche community of defiled players who make use of it

[fossil finch]

We're going to start murdering people

[echo leaf]

No need to arbitrarily screw people over when a perfectly serviceable alternative exists

[fossil finch]

Except this kinda happens all the time ever and nobody owes the 3 defiled players left anything

[novel belfry]

you should introduce a different post-skeletron material from bones

[fossil finch]

this is true actually

[sleek turret]

peak sugg

[ripe owl]

@alpine dawn #suggestions-voting message

[hollow verge]

whats with this trend of big honkin text for titles

[glass arch]

the buff limit isnt 22 @split sleet

its 44

1.4.4 doubled it

[split sleet]

oh

i am seeing my minions disappear with 2 and a half rows of buffs

myabe its a mod conflict

*maybe

[serene vapor]

@covert hornet

Pretty sure they already exist

Sold by the drunk princess after defeating the respective boss

[ripe owl]

Yes they do exist

[serene vapor]

Is your version up to date?

[ripe owl]

If it wasn't I'm pretty sure the interludes wouldn't be there in the first place

[covert hornet]

Yes, I just didn't check the drunk princess for them and didn't see them listed anywhere on the wiki, so I assumed they weren't in the mod. Thanks, I'll delete the suggestion.

[serene vapor]

No problem, I’ve sometimes made suggestions on things that are already in the game too

[covert hornet]

Ah, fair

[ripe owl]

Music Boxes page on the wiki htw

[covert hornet]

I don't even have an excuse, I have no idea how I missed that lol

Oh, wait, I think I might've scrolled right past the list and looked for it in the crafting recipes

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message if a suggestion like this already got locked I don't see why it should go through voting ngl

[hollow shell]

yeah I was gonna say, thought I remembered hearing that

[hollow shell]

Technically the locked sugg was only for Ancient Bone Dust, didn't include Demonic Bone Ash

I spose this sugg could narrow it down in that case

[languid umbra]

I have a suggestion but I don't think it's worth posting

It's about planty mush being fishable pre hm when it does literally nothing on that stage, floods the sulphur sea lootpool

Also about bone dust and bone Ash they could incorporate it into other recipes

[languid umbra]

Also this provides a little too much money for pre hm stage

[fossil finch]

that's what fishing already does

That's okay

[hollow verge]

anything is worth posting id vote for that idea, esp coz preHM im sulphur sea fishing for alluring bait and the amulet. i dont want a buncha mush. at the very least, planty mush should be post-skeletron (when you get the stuff about the first dryad), if not just post L&A like all the rest

@lucid plank i do want to mention that if you dont want eulogy for the ego to play because it overrides your arena music, you can just turn those songs off in your settings.

that said i do agree that wiring should work on the music boxes. weird they don't.

(if someone mentioned this im sorry, i didnt see it)

[distant gyro]

it

does?

unless you're in multiplayer then allow me to direct you to #1248304258613383268 message

(or #changelogs message #67)

[hollow verge]

admittedly ive never touched music boxes, let alone wiring them, so i will leave this to yukiharu to reply to

[distant gyro]

im actually just gonna delete it since there is no possible circumstance you can fix a resolved suggestion

[languid umbra]

Very tempted to suggest removing planty mush from pre hm sulphur sea lootpool

From fishing

[lucid plank]

eulogy's music box doesn't listen to wiring properly

*in multi

despite it saying its fixed

[lucid plank]

oh mb

[hollow verge]

im an evil force in your ear whispering do it

[sonic gyro]

Sorry guys , that isn't a calamity thing , but can you do please 1 thing for me?

[drowsy plank]

uh

no lol

[sonic gyro]

K

Bye

[bold wave]

Fair enough

[shrewd topaz]

How the hell did they get a under 2 minuet kill on goliath? No rage adrenaline almost got me a 3:20 kill on that thing and I was valor dashing through him throughout most the fight? Am I just bad lol

and that was with summoner nerf removed mod I really don't want to do this fight again without it lol

[sand marlin]

You're not supposed to be using ranger accessories btw

I think it was just like

Same gear but just weapon difference, except for Red Riding

I could be wrong but that's how I saw it

[shrewd topaz]

Oh, so like a ranger weapon totally replacing the whip

[sand marlin]

Yeah

[shrewd topaz]

Quick question does the elf melter's Armor pen affect the summons, like when you wear a saw tooth necklass and switch to a melee weapon in valilla

[sand marlin]

Pretty sure it's just the weapon itself

[glass arch]

its projectile exclusive yes

as in it only affects eld melters projectiles

[sand marlin]

I think you meant Sharpening Station btw

[shrewd topaz]

yea lol

[median scaffold]

I guess you could weapon stack, but that's quite difference

[sand marlin]

Well that's not the point of this test so yeah

[harsh echo]

what's the thing

[gaunt needle]

Better suggestion for effect limit: cap the amount of potion buffs

[fossil finch]

well first of all that guy is bugged and there are definitely enough slots in the game for all potions theyre using and stuff

and second thats a bad idea

[median scaffold]

44 buffs aren't enough for you, guys???

[echo leaf]

Your poor screen... so much clutter!

[shrewd topaz]

Kaleidoscope with Ichor potion for the defense shred so you don’t have to use Ichor bullets

Honestly trying all the Old Ones armors just means you have to be more agro for kills since the summons have to be on screen to attack. Meshes well with the increased close ranged, ranged damage. Also true melee and magic for the other armors. It really just seems fun now that I got the play style down I honestly want it more lol

[versed cape]

is there any reason photosynthesis potions require 40 blood orbs instead of 10

[echo leaf]

You're right! That's... very odd.

[lucid marsh]

It provides really fast life regen

[echo leaf]

There are plenty of powerful potions but most only cost 10 blorbs

[distant gyro]

blood orb recipes are odd and not particularly thought of

[sleek turret]

they're just cookie cutter recipes

aside from some exceptions in particular when they get 1 item extra on the recipe but eh

[fossil finch]

Those are just prog locks zzz

[sleek turret]

true...

[grim tusk]

just use Ian's unlimited buffs lmao

or Fargo's

[fossil finch]

Fargo's don't actually remove the buff slot iirc

There's a setting to hide it visually but it's still occupying it

[grim tusk]

wasnt there a config on it that allowed you to add more buff slots?

or am I misremembering

[fossil finch]

Probably actually don't remember

[echo leaf]

Fargo's lets you expand buff slots, yes

[ripe owl]

Yes. It also has a config that removes the buffs if they're permanent

[split sleet]

Sorry, I was unaware that the buff limit was changed. I suppose it must be some glitch that my minions are disappearing because I am nowhere near 44 buffs.

[dense locust]

are you using resurection butterfly

[sand marlin]

@drowsy plank #suggestions-voting message

[sand marlin]

And this, for more clarity

[drowsy plank]

hmmm

prolly should've made it just demonic

spose ur right

[grave zinc]

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[sand marlin]

Yeah, if it was changed it'd work perhaps

[alpine dawn]

Yuhhhhh

I'm a winner

[sand marlin]

[alpine dawn]

Wrong vid

Now I wait for blood moon spawns to not be so obnoxious

Not gonna post but destroyer should get an avalanche Dr buff he's made a joke by it

(balance thread closed)

(what happened)

[misty lichen]

#1178515062030348308

[languid umbra]

Ayy my suggestion got through

Didn't even notice

[echo leaf]

It did. The Abyss one, right?

[median scaffold]

I'm pissed
I'm sad
I'm gonna repost my suggestion (later)

[harsh echo]

which one?

[languid umbra]

Abyss one

Something to negate breath suffocation

[languid umbra]

Yeah

[echo leaf]

Yeah, it’s in voting right now

[languid umbra]

Gonna make a diabolical suggestion next

[harsh echo]

oh

[languid umbra]

100% funny 0% chance of getting through

[echo leaf]

I wanna suggest Chalice get retiered to pre-DoG but I’m not sure if that’s a good take or not

[harsh echo]

imagine it gets tiered to the ravager post rework

[echo leaf]

Ooooh good point

[wide river]

How come?

[languid umbra]

Probably will

[echo leaf]

Chalice is most easily used after a single nuclear hit or a few weaker ones in a row since the only thing that makes it notable at that stage is the damage cancellation effect

The most powerful single attack in the game that is not explicitly designed to instantly kill is Devourer of Gods’ head contact damage

[harsh echo]

damn

[echo leaf]

By moving it from post-DoG to pre-DoG, it gives it that use case

[languid umbra]

I wanna suggest that rogue weapons on gfb make the loud GRRRAAAHHHH sound when spammed

[golden sonnet]

Chalice is already incredibly strong

[echo leaf]

Yeah, exactly

[golden sonnet]

I don't think it needs a buff

[echo leaf]

gfb changes probably won’t get done since it’s already jokey

[flint notch]

If Rav is getting retired to somewhere postml (assuming pre dog) I could see it being tied to that

[languid umbra]

Yeah true

[flint notch]

Not thinking of anything balance wise tho

[languid umbra]

I'm more looking forward to bloodfare core changes

That thing is very

Eh

And what they'll do to ravager drops

[harsh echo]

don't like how chalice doesn't boost health pots tbh

[echo leaf]

It’s getting retiered to post-Providence

[gray bone]

it essentially does, so long as you use them after getting hit

[echo leaf]

It inherits Blood Pact and Charm of Myths

The only things that Chalice has that both of those don’t is an extra 1 HP/s and the scaling damage

[languid umbra]

Blood pact + baguette+ red wine

[harsh echo]

but the +25% effective healing pots

[languid umbra]

:3

[echo leaf]

That’s an effect or Blood Pact

[languid umbra]

Blood pact is the

Pot buff and max hp

[echo leaf]

Yep

[languid umbra]

Lowered cooldown and regen is charm of myths

[echo leaf]

Mmm hmm

[languid umbra]

the whole DoT effect is custom

Pretty good acc for most builds

[echo leaf]

Reasonably splashable into anything

[harsh echo]

it doesnt work with eclipse mirror for some reason

[echo leaf]

I submitted that bug

[languid umbra]

Eclipse mirror yeah

[echo leaf]

Devs are aware of it

[languid umbra]

I noticed that

Although on rogue I wouldn't recommend chalice

[harsh echo]

yea

[languid umbra]

Okay well you can use it

I kinda forgot my setup for yharon

[echo leaf]

Rogue already has pick of the litter for offensive accessories

It’s harder to fit in defense

[languid umbra]

Silva wings, Asgard aegis, sponge, nanotech, eclipse mirror

I forgot the rest

Endgame you only need nanotech + mirror and you could add something like dragon scales or ven locket

[harsh echo]

i used those + glove of pres and venerated locket

[languid umbra]

Pres after DoG feels a bit eh

Ven locket though pretty good

[harsh echo]

what would you replace with

[echo leaf]

GoP is 15% crits and bonus velocity

[golden sonnet]

And no penalty when using stealth, as the attack speed reduction doesn't matter

[golden sonnet]

I have 120 hours in my current multiplayer playthrough, and have bought (at least) one of every traveling merchant items each time he comes, we are post polterghast and not a single tiger skin

[harsh echo]

lol

[golden sonnet]

I'm suffering and you're laughing?

Smh, fucked up

But also like, why do so many easy items to get have crafting recipes

[misty lichen]

the tiger skin is purely the donors decision if anything

[golden sonnet]

Cobalt shield and muramasa when they are garenteed from the first 3 chests, very frequently have additional copies in chests, and can be fished

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message @drowsy plank I think I don't need to describe this

[fleet grotto]

me when o spam this image in every channel

[whole tundra]

They posted it here first before posting it in any other channel :p

[fleet grotto]

still

[whole tundra]

thought it was just an innapropiate joke suggestion

Then they started to post it in the other channels

Coke already took care of it

Sorry for pinging you Cog

[drowsy plank]

it's fine

[golden sonnet]

It's morally correct to ping cog because it is funny

[whole tundra]

yeah true

[novel belfry]

its morally correct to eat broccoli

[golden sonnet]

Idk, hallowed only has a 30 second CD for dodge

If it was shorter for less damage it would probably be too much

[sleek turret]

very personal suggestions

(the way they are written)

[golden sonnet]

Wdym

[grave zinc]

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[echo leaf]

Pipes

[golden sonnet]

[drowsy plank]

pipes

they will be real

[frail fox]

God bless pipes

[sleek turret]

your suggestion mentions a personal anecdote which could be replaced with more reasoning that doesn't rely on personal bias - an arguement of how could it improve the mod relating to accessibility of the items could be better

[fleet grotto]

why does literally every suggestion i make have something like this

[golden sonnet]

I mean, the suggestion is plenty strong even without that sentence, it;s thrown in to reinforce things

[sleek turret]

you could reinforce it anyways by saying on how it could improve things in the mod instead of relying on a personal experience which from my pov people can have either a relatable opinion or a not relatable one

(moreso try to make language persuasive or/and convincing)

[grave zinc]

@short wyvern - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it possible to transmute one world evil effigy into the other with Shimmer]

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[drowsy plank]

why dont the skins just transmute into each other

[dense locust]

I was like "tf is that" only to find that it got renamed

[novel belfry]

the sky people probably

[serene vapor]

anyone who’s actually used this item can relate

[misty lichen]

this is correct

[grave zinc]

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[distant gyro]

looks funny if you have default hair

[ripe owl]

Can you show please?

[distant gyro]

here's also a showcase with my usual vanity

[livid robin]

Looks better.

[sand marlin]

Ig we're getting a new boss summon

[distant gyro]

not quite

[sand marlin]

A different workaround the hardcode?

[distant gyro]

classic il editing

except its really awesome so you have to do it in 2 different spots

3 if you execute it differently, even

the progression check happens

• before you use the item (preventing use at all)
• when you use the item (preventing anything from happening on use)
• as the net message is being passed to the server (preventing anything from happening in multiplayer)

[hollow verge]

rip curse of bald 😔

[distant gyro]

super hardcode