#suggestions-discussion

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violet sierra
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well you arent weaving through those

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you're standing in a safe spot

misty lichen
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dog doesn’t deal any damage at all during walls until he teleports

crystal agate
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Yeah that’s true, but in general I think that base calamity could use more town pet(s) bc CalVal carries pretty hard in terms of town pets

little sentinel
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yeah, i don't usually weave through them

misty lichen
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are you trying to run away from dog during the walls? lmao

little sentinel
violet sierra
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i really dont think so

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DoG has a lot of issues but i dont think thats one

misty lichen
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send a clip then, because he simply does not

little sentinel
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bro i wish i was recording like 5 minutes ago

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literally such a good example

misty lichen
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sure man

little sentinel
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phase one mostly though

violet sierra
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he only does laser walls in phase 2?

little sentinel
errant cradle
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No he has walls in phase 1

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Not a full grid though

violet sierra
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he does?

drowsy plank
errant cradle
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Phase 2 is when the entire grid spawns

misty lichen
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those are completely different

violet sierra
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oh i thoguht people used wall and grid interchangebly

little sentinel
violet sierra
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i mean the grid

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when i say wall

little sentinel
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no wall and grid are very different

violet sierra
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the big laser attacks

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just run away

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look at the telegraph, find a gap and fly away int he direction of that gap

errant cradle
little sentinel
violet sierra
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you shouldnt have a porblem

little sentinel
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my point is the lasers last way too long

violet sierra
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but also you can just outrange their entire range anywyas

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and getting hit by one laser isnt a big deal anyways

little sentinel
little sentinel
violet sierra
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you onyl stay in place for the laser GRID

violet sierra
errant wren
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i think dog starts becoming corporeal again when the last grid is fired in, but this is just from my experience from a few weeks ago

violet sierra
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every class is bulky at that stage of the game

little sentinel
# violet sierra this isnt true

yes it is? getting hit by a single laser in the entire fight is fine, but if these issues happen regularly, it can lead to issues

violet sierra
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only if you are glass cannon

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if you build defensive the lasers are pretty inconsequential

little sentinel
crystal agate
echo leaf
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pet Yharon

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pls devs

drowsy plank
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you can make a suggestion like that, but it should be more generic and less focused

errant cradle
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pretty sure calval already has a yharon town pet

little sentinel
echo leaf
violet sierra
little sentinel
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and a few more iirc (town pets)

echo leaf
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But I need a FULL SIZED YHARON to terrorize my town

violet sierra
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you can ignore whatever he is doing

errant cradle
little sentinel
errant wren
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we should just make laser grids be moon lord lasers so that last like 1.5 seconds clueless

violet sierra
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please stop saying laser wall/grid interchangably

little sentinel
violet sierra
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i cannot tell what attack

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you are talking about

little sentinel
errant cradle
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@violet sierra @little sentinel
Also you two are probably going to keep going in circles unless Gratalat gets a good clip of the attacks overlapping

violet sierra
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probably

errant cradle
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So go work on that cause you're going absolutely nowhere

crystal agate
violet sierra
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good call

little sentinel
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i am saying "after the last laser wall/grid" because the two attacks have similar problems and can take each others place

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lemme get a clip, but i dont have any good recording software

wide river
violet sierra
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do you have windows 10

little sentinel
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honestly DoG lasers should be like EoL

little sentinel
crystal agate
violet sierra
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that works

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use windows game bar

little sentinel
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win+g?

violet sierra
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to record

little sentinel
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yeah

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i also gotta trim the recording and stuff

violet sierra
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i use it and the clips it makes are peerfectly fine

violet sierra
drowsy plank
violet sierra
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should be on your pc

errant wren
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the attack bleed-over (i guess that's what i'm calling it?) might also be a result of the sudden change in momentum but that's probably just a skill issue on my part

crystal agate
violet sierra
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i dont think so

crystal agate
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Damn

violet sierra
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just saying that calamity should have some town pets with some reasoning as to why you think that

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would be good enough

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id vote for it tbh

drowsy plank
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you could, but you'd need to explain why those specific examples could connect to why the addition would be important
like say "we need more yoyos" and giving an example that there are no good yoyos on DoG so having one polterghast drops or something would work for reasoning

errant wren
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something something "it would flesh out the overall calamity experience"

little sentinel
errant wren
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no really

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i'm just bad at the game

little sentinel
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oh okay

wide river
little sentinel
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the lasers should honestly just be like EoL or ML

errant cradle
little sentinel
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Yes it won't be as unique, but it will be fair

drowsy plank
errant wren
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i do think it would be cooler looking if dog's phase 2 laser grids were moon lord beams instead of the same lasers from other attacks

crystal agate
violet sierra
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dude im doing yoyo only and ive talked about dog a few times and how im dreading it

little sentinel
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just looked at lacerator's tooltip loll

drowsy plank
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it would be neat doesnt work

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consistency with base terraria does

violet sierra
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and the amount of people who think lacerator just actually shreds dog normally

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is crazy

crystal agate
wide river
little sentinel
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oh yeah there's like no yoyos for dog

errant cradle
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simply make the gfb effect global

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surely nothing bad will transpire

wide river
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Clearly

violet sierra
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if Lacerator gets removed then I hope YoYo gets something to deal with DoG, or the new dog is more friendly to yoyos

drowsy plank
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lo

little sentinel
violet sierra
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theres so many yoyos that i feel like its the one subclass that should have an option on every boss

little sentinel
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praying the lasers get better

wide river
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The lasers are being removed in the rework

little sentinel
errant cradle
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^

errant wren
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something something "calamity can't cater to self-imposed challenges" XD

little sentinel
violet sierra
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instead of laser the line telegraph will be dog charging at you

(probably)

errant wren
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anyways i've been here for a lot longer than normal

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back to lurking

crystal agate
violet sierra
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i mean hes giant i expect theyll make a spectacle of him dashing across the screen

little sentinel
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what would really be cool is there being a telegraph, then dog extremely quickly charges in the pattern of the telegraph

violet sierra
little sentinel
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i mean, lasers have been a part of his fight for so long its bound to feel pretty DoG

violet sierra
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DoG is this cocky egomaniac and he spednds the entired fight taking potshots

little sentinel
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doesn't fit anything regarding his lore or design tho

dense locust
little sentinel
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no guys what we need is cheesy dog voice acting!!1!!1

violet sierra
dense locust
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Fair

violet sierra
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sorry my kedyboard is medssedd up XD

little sentinel
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my friend a while back actually suggested voice acting for dog once..

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just in a conversation so he didnt post it or anything but

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that would be weird

violet sierra
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full voice acting is defintely a no from me

wide river
drowsy plank
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scal doesnt have VAs so DoG getting one would be

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even weirder

little sentinel
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yeah

crystal agate
drowsy plank
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id say she'd need to be first and see how people respond to it

little sentinel
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VAs would be strange though, considering vanilla doesn't have any

violet sierra
little sentinel
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fr

crystal agate
little sentinel
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any changes surrounding scal are either hated to oblivion or praised like the invention of wheels

errant wren
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slime god voice acting

wide river
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Voiced by Chris Pratt

crystal agate
little sentinel
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no we need ravager to get voice acting from ryan reynolds

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telling you about mint mobiles latest deals mid-fight

errant wren
candid cave
little sentinel
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we just need more (and cooler) roars from DoG

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and other bosses tbf, make them feel more like actual living foes

errant wren
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no clearly we need voice acting for crabulon

little sentinel
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yes

violet sierra
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one thing i hope

errant wren
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ok time to actually lurk

little sentinel
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perforators voice acting when

wide river
candid cave
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when do we get to cook and devour crabulon

little sentinel
violet sierra
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is that reworked dog has a 360 done in terms of the opener

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dog has the perfect vibe for a boss that starts the fight wiht one of their hardest attacks

little sentinel
drowsy plank
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sans..........

little sentinel
violet sierra
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Bosses have been doing that for forever AAAA

little sentinel
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ok ima go now

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buh-bye

violet sierra
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later

echo leaf
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more DoG edgy boss text when he hits you on the head

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But they’re unnecessarily mean

candid cave
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are you seriously that bad at dodging...

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i love that line

echo leaf
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“Of all of my segments to get hit by…”

violet sierra
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its crazy that something that looks like a gfb change was actualy in the game

echo leaf
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DoG is just funny in general

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I love him

little sentinel
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"You really don't learn, do you?"

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or like

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actually i dont have many more

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just give him a 1% chance to say "Get good!" when you die, voiced by Dwayne Johnson

dense locust
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Best suggestion in awhile imo

copper turret
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thank you

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i was so confused when each damage value was different for certain weapons

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i didn't know the omicron beam did 160x damage

grim tusk
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Pretty sure this is a limitation

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You can only have 1 dmg value

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On the tooltip

copper turret
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no like

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not actually substituting the dmg type

grim tusk
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If there is a second one it wont change dynamically

copper turret
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but just a second one that says like 'the grenades do 1400% damage' ors omething

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when calamity said getting close did substantially more damage i thought it was like 70% more damage but it's five times more damage

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soooo

fleet grotto
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Hell just "massively increased damage"

grim tusk
copper turret
grim tusk
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Yea I could see that being added

copper turret
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err ni

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gem tech

umbral gazelle
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FIX IT

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FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

echo leaf
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It can help make The Wand look less like a joke

north oracle
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i specifically request that The Wand is excluded from this

echo leaf
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actually

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give it a base damage nerf in the same update

dense locust
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From 1 to 0.5?

ashen warren
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The Wand will absolutely be excluded from it.

echo leaf
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Does it have a base damage of 1 or am i just crazy? wires

dense locust
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It has a base damage of 1

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(I think)

echo leaf
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I’d love to fact check that but the wiki is down
I could have sworn it was somewhere in the ballpark of 4

drowsy plank
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isnt wand 12 now

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just like wand of sparking

dense locust
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Idk my last mage playthrough was pre rust and dust

fleet grotto
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when i played it said 36 but that's with damage buffs

ashen warren
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Wand is 14.

fleet grotto
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slight upgrade to wand of sparking

copper turret
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but yeah the wand is another one

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like i have no idea how much damage the wand does

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on the wiki it says 599 damage but who would ever figure that out

fleet grotto
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No damage buffs and checking with a dummy

copper turret
fleet grotto
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Averaging

copper turret
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yeah thats fair

copper turret
fleet grotto
copper turret
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but that also is kinda boring

fleet grotto
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True

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But just for testing purposes

umbral gazelle
umbral gazelle
copper turret
vale stone
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buff the stardust dragon staff✊

harsh echo
olive saddle
harsh echo
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terraprisma still better

dense locust
harsh echo
frail mantle
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good thing there's a whole forum channel for balance issue reports

drowsy plank
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had to check and glad to know everyone here has no idea what they're talking about; stardust is fine lmao

Deus - 2:33 (Targeting the head)
ML - 3:10

High B ```
golden sonnet
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We love a 2:33 with a 70% resist

distant gyro
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fallacy of "there's a better weapon than it therefore it sucks"

drowsy plank
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tfw terraprisma is S tier therefore stardust must be terrible

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if you want a bad stardust summon look at cells

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lmao

distant gyro
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literally

drowsy plank
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and cal buffs them im pretty sure

distant gyro
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cells is still worse than half damage dragons somehow

dense locust
drowsy plank
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accessories are a bit different

dense locust
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I am aware

fervent orbit
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they just bring everything to their level

drowsy plank
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huh, really?

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lmao

olive saddle
harsh echo
drowsy plank
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no they're in a private server

grim tusk
drowsy plank
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yeah

fervent orbit
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more like post golem summoner needs a nerf, literally everything becomes somewhat viable at that stage

grim tusk
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TRUE

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Kaleidoscope and its consequences for summoner balance

fervent orbit
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its not even kaleidoscope

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its like

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everything

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especially pumpkin moon

violet sierra
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pretty useful info just locked in one server

drowsy plank
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it's in that server because it's frequently changing and also its for the people who do that testing to discuss these things

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unsurprisingly the results can sometimes be wrong due to testing variance and people would simply assume they were fact which is exactly why they aren't public

violet sierra
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i guess so

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I just hate when information on a game exists and its vaulted to some private server, feels gatekeepy

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it also just makes a lot of discussions about weapon vs weapon feel pointless to me

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why should i waste my time when the info exists somewhere

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those discussions are unfun anyways so whatever

sleek turret
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TRUE

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Just leak everything

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save, archive, distribute

oblique otter
harsh echo
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In fact it’d be better public cause there would be more testers

crude geode
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There’s enough unofficial beta testers as is

wide river
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^
Even about 30 people is generally enough for most cases, there doesn't really need to be more
That's a bigger testing team than lots of AAA games nowadays anyway

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Note: I don't actually know how many people are in the testing server, 30 was just a ballpark estimate

fervent orbit
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also, its not like the info gotten from it is not being used anywhere

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it is quite the large basis for the supreme collection of ultimate class setups, the wiki's class setups and now some of the guide pages that were recently updated

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theres also the fact that the tierlist itself is a public resource anyone can link without any consequences

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its just the server itself is private

harsh echo
fervent orbit
# harsh echo alright but not my main point

the reason to make the server private is that they dont need to be in the server. its only for people who actively partake or add to discussions in it. you can just look at the tierlist here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10bgBHu7apfftITBOQVJrtYCiakZVGC4reJcvfJqMBEM/edit?

Google Docs
Calamity Weapon Tierlist

Calamity Weapon Tierlist

,SS - Broken,Progression Point,S - Amazing,Progression Point,A - Great,Progression Point,B - Good,Progression Point,C - Viable,Progression Point,D - Mediocre,Progression Point,E - Bad,Progression Point,F - Awful,Progression Point,Z - Unusable/Useless,Progression Point,C...

violet sierra
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isnt this just a ranking

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thats not really super useful

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at leats for me

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the main point i like to make is that meta isnt as important as people think XD

fervent orbit
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damn, always knew you were the average cal player

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violet sierra
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i went to that tab and it was blank

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maybe it glitched

fervent orbit
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for changing

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EVERYTHING

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and needing a whole wipe

harsh echo
violet sierra
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fair enough i didnt expect people would care enough to wipe the dataset so i just assumed it was a page that was started and not finished

fervent orbit
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me when

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violet sierra
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i mean im glad this data is public, i didnt know that the kill times were on the tier list

bronze cosmos
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structured hella weird, making 6 columns per progression point is gonna be a pain to scroll through, just color the entries instead

fervent orbit
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what

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theres only 4 columns per progression point and colouring them wont solve anything

novel belfry
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Uh, any thoughts on my suggestion? (The one about improving slime god’s retreat animation)

north oracle
violet sierra
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no its terrible because its outclassed

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theres no reason other than viability to use weapons...

echo leaf
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Just because there’s a better option doesn’t change the fact that a hypothetical weapon can rip through a boss like a hot knife through butter

distant gyro
novel belfry
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LMAO

vestal lark
umbral gazelle
glass arch
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comical running animation

harsh echo
little sentinel
ashen warren
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#suggestions-posting message
@vestal lark changed, along with a few other changes I felt were needed.

  • Ashen Slabs and Ashen Accent Slabs now have 100% pickaxe power requirement instead of 180% (Molten vs. Adamantite/Titanium).
  • Ashen Altar, Ancient Altar, Ashen Basin and Ancient Basin are no longer hardmode locked and use Demonic Bone Ash in their recipes.
  • Ashen Accent Slabs now only take 50 Smooth Brimstone Slag at an Ashen Altar in a Graveyard Biome.
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Also I removed their Shimmer locks, as you can't use them for progression breaks anymore.

drowsy plank
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@gray quest King Slime... already has a lore item. I'm not sure what you're asking.

gray quest
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yeah but it doesnt say what actually slime king is. If there is a hive mind of slimes called slime god, then slime king just doesnt makes sense

drowsy plank
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Given time, these gelatinous creatures absorb each other and slowly grow in both size and strength. There is little need to worry about this. Naturally, slimes are nearly mindless and amass only by chance. Though it appears they are capable of absorbing knowledge, if only in rudimentary form.

fervent orbit
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slime god is not a hive mind of slimes, its just a guy who can control them if they wish to. the lore item perfectly explains what king slimes are

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its multiple slimes

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nothing more, nothing less

gray quest
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yeah now that makes sense

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i though all slimes are same body cuz they reproduce by dividing

golden sonnet
ashen warren
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I have no idea why they were HM locked, they were already in the Brimstone Crags.

echo leaf
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Blessed change

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Thank you devs for another good tweak

vale stone
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random question

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but why did calamity never introduce any new whips for summoner

harsh echo
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i think they are planning to add some

vale stone
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alright

frail mantle
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they wanted to rebalance summoner first (near sisyphean task) but i believe there's at least one new whip currently in development

vale stone
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summoner isn’t even that broken😔

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#justiceforsummoner2024✊

gray bone
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me when a boss takes a FULL MINUTE to kill

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how unbalanced

vale stone
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i suck at the game either way so i can’t tell if that’s good or bad

echo leaf
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A 60 second kill time is lightning fast

vale stone
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oh

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well

echo leaf
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Summoner is crazy strong

vale stone
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yeah i just can’t play any other class bc i suck at dodging

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also summoner defense sucks

echo leaf
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No

gray bone
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the defence stat of summoner armour pieces is bad (comparatively)

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but especially later on

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summoner is still very tanky

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because a lot of that comes from other sources

fervent orbit
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me when i dont get the equivalent of 2 warding accessories (its defense magically sucks now)

drowsy plank
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summoner defense aint even that bad and dont even get me started on silva armor

gray bone
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yeah summoner silva still gives like 96 defence doesn't it?

echo leaf
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In that ballpark

gray bone
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44, 39, 13

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chest, legs, helmet

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so 96 i think

fervent orbit
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it is

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u can see total def values in the wiki

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echo leaf
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The armor isn’t as good as other classes, but it still can use Warding, Absorber, shields, potions, whatever other BS

fervent orbit
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its literally only 4 warding accs between melee gs and summoner silva and im pretty sure this is like

echo leaf
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It’s only bad if you forego those for offense
But every class has shitty defense if you don’t use defense

fervent orbit
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one of the bigger examples

gray bone
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like a weird strain of calamity illiteracy

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i can read just fine

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i just go for the less efficient way of doing so

fervent orbit
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nuh uh

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calamity player = illiterate

gray bone
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i am a bloons monkey city player at heart

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i say that because i have the game open in the background rn

harsh echo
fervent orbit
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never

echo leaf
gray bone
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tbf it'll take me eighteen lifetimes to finish monkey knowledge in bmc

harsh echo
fervent orbit
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im sorry to disappoint you but i eated it

gray bone
harsh echo
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meanie

fervent orbit
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:3

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i was hungry

frail mantle
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evil noob

gray bone
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tbf the temple of the monkey god must have a lot of calories

frail mantle
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as punishment you will be exploded

fervent orbit
gray bone
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with the whole power of the sun thing

fervent orbit
frail mantle
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@fervent orbit 💥

fervent orbit
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🫵 💥

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oh wow

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using your cool dude powers

buoyant idol
fervent orbit
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how mature

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@ashen warren I SEE YOU ANGEL

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🫵 💥 💥 💥

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STALKER

gray bone
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this is like a fireworks show

fervent orbit
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fireworks,,,,,

buoyant idol
fervent orbit
buoyant idol
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I am making bad ideas as we speak.

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I have dispelled the cool people.

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You fool! You fell for my trap!

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I have been reacted with the funny react!

ashen warren
fervent orbit
frail mantle
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first this EVILDOER eats an innocent chatter's bloons monkey city 2, and now she accuses INNOCENT DEVELOPER of HEINOUS CRIMES?

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for shame.

fervent orbit
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NUH UH

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THIS IS A BIASED OUTLOOK

harsh echo
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there is no i in based

royal tapir
dapper apex
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are we bullying noob here

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im in

frail mantle
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always

grim tusk
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Theres plans for more whips but only that one has code

fervent orbit
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mmm i love Prototype

golden sonnet
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Instead you type gibberish

fervent orbit
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whar

golden sonnet
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Smh, noob can't even decipher the words "pro to type" given context

fervent orbit
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oh

golden sonnet
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To be fair it was a dumb joke

fervent orbit
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yes

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just like you

golden sonnet
buoyant idol
golden sonnet
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this can be flagged now

golden sonnet
grave zincBOT
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@vestal lark - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Lower the Pickaxe Power Requirement for Ashen Slabs]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

serene vapor
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as in, why be undecisive

novel belfry
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i think they were decisive on this one

serene vapor
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ah

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didnt see that

echo leaf
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that is INCREDIBLY funny

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"potion of 5% chance to instantly die"

serene vapor
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more like 0.2834891573% or some boring number like that

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just as an experiment, ive drank like 500 teleportation potions and about 6 of them have sent me to the void

echo leaf
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keep it in just to be really funny for mediumcore players

serene vapor
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that's horrible

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hillarious, but horrible

echo leaf
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Nope. Too late. Made a patch which increases the odds for a void teleport.

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And it gives you brief chaos state now.

serene vapor
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

echo leaf
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Now I genuinely want to make a patch that just ruins teleportation potions. For the funny.

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Gives 5 seconds of chaos state and is completely indisciminate in where it sends you- even in midair and in blocks.

serene vapor
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First discovered on infernum, so I checked to see if it worked on calamity, and it did. The smaller Abyss in calamity does mean that it isnt as big of a deal, but it should still be fixed.

wide river
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Use a teleportation potion? Get wyrmed

hollow idol
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fixed (trust the chat message as proof
this is directly after a tp pot use

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sand marlin
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Make it teleport you into only the abyss in GFB clueless

hollow idol
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it appears this also affects Rod of Discord teleports
welp! there goes that!

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nvm i fixed it

prime karma
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not sure if i make a suggestion about this, but do you guys think now that master mode is an actual difficulty that changes things, maybe celestial onion should go back to working?

sand marlin
prime karma
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so people wouldnt make this suggestion?

harsh echo
sand marlin
# prime karma so people wouldnt make this suggestion?

For one, nothing yet in post ML has changed outside of like, just SCal brothers, in master mode. So there is no point in suggesting to make it applicable
For two, it would be an immediate reversion which is never gonna work

prime karma
sand marlin
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Nope, only nearly all of vanilla and very few of cal

prime karma
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oh ok

golden sonnet
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^ master already gets an extra slot from the start of the game

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Having more than 7 slots makes a pretty major difference with balancing

harsh echo
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about the difficulty modes not locking items, reveagance has the occult skull crown and the rage and adren upgrades

golden sonnet
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Yes that is entirely because rage and adrenaline don't exist outside of that difficulty

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(part of) the same reason gaels great sword is also difficulty locked

harsh echo
golden sonnet
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They are literally the only functional items in the entire game that are difficulty locked

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Skull crown and 3 materials and gaels

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Rest is all vanity/decor

drowsy plank
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shattered community and draedon heart.........

golden sonnet
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What about them?

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Draedons heart overrides adrenaline and doesn't factor any of the upgrades.
Shattered community is post one of the two final bosses, and would not at all justify the occult crown accessories existing way before it in progression imo

echo leaf
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The wiki says that they forcibly enable Rage/Adrenaline if not playing on Revengence

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So that they, like... do things there

drowsy plank
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im just being slightly funny but yeah if that's an option you could probably do that for the other OSC items tbh

golden sonnet
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Then they would become very meta outside revengence, only to become niche in revengence+

olive saddle
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ok but you're forgetting the landum thing but that was also reworked and has basically no correlation to rev+ anymore

fervent orbit
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laud is the forgotten child

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probably because its extremely situational

drowsy plank
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laud will probably get a rework once rev and death have more identity beyond the funny bars

echo leaf
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Laudanum my beloved

gray bone
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doesn't reaver have a builder helmet

golden sonnet
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Yes, it's worse than marnite though last I checked

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So a better suggestion would be to buff it

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But I could be mistaken, maybe it is better

gray bone
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yeah i think the pure stats are worse

wide river
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Reaver does more stuff, but Marnite does a few things better

golden sonnet
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Yeah, imo a reaver building buff to be on par with marnite is still appropriate

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As a builder myself, I am literally never choosing reaver over marnite

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And the game could use another building set in progression

drowsy plank
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this is true

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post-ML building set when

grim tusk
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So just buff Reaver builder?

golden sonnet
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Yes imo

drowsy plank
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yeah

wide river
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That's the consensus I'm getting here yeah

golden sonnet
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It has a good bit less reach, and only 20% placement speed as opposed to marnites 50%

echo leaf
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I was specifically thinking about a Reaver armor tweak whilst making it

fleet grotto
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Hear me out

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wiring boosts

gray bone
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hellfire treads + wire

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instead of a trail of flames

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wire is placed in your wake

fleet grotto
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Wildwire Treads

oblique otter
echo leaf
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They place live, naked wire which shocks and inflicts Electrified...

oblique otter
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naked?!

echo leaf
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Naked wire, as in wire without the protective rubber coating

harsh echo
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..

drowsy plank
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smh just another item that would shred worms (long, thing piercing projectile)

echo leaf
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just make worms take 1 damage against anything but the head and tail XD

frail mantle
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DoG

misty lichen
golden sonnet
fleet grotto
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No,,,

fervent meadow
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cnidrion does get mad annoying in early game before you can kill them quickly especially because of how many projectiles it fires

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and a lot of the time it just feels like by the time you kill one another immediately spawns

fleet grotto
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don't forget the other people who don't have them spawn at all

fervent meadow
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true luck is definitely involved

drowsy plank
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wh

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boss zen

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cnidrions literally should not be capable of spawning during DS what

fleet grotto
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that's what I thought

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maybe it's like? right before spawning or in-between farming sessions

drowsy plank
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@visual kraken nothing wrong with the first half of the sugg but it's literally impossible for cnidrions to spawn during the boss fight due to boss zen so you'll need to either remove that or elaborate on what you mean

fervent meadow
drowsy plank
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that's for sure an issue but the way it is phrased right now would lend itself more to a bug report until we get clarifying information

fleet grotto
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also if you're ready to beat desert scourge you can kill a cnidrion

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hell you can cheese cnidrions with blocks

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they get hit by melee weapons through blocks iirc

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they also don't even have contact damage

visual kraken
fleet grotto
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yes??

visual kraken
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Me and my friend did a playthrough and we died so many times to cnidrion

fervent meadow
visual kraken
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Is it on multiplayer then?

fleet grotto
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boss zen has been a thing and will always be a thing

drowsy plank
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boss zen is dependent on how close you are to the boss recently so i suppose it is possible your friend was running from spawn to the desert and managed to spawn one while you were off screen somehow??

misty lichen
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this is a lock regardless right

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with sso

drowsy plank
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but that would require a ridiculously large desert

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i suppose that is also true, though i have no idea what the plans are for cnidrion exactly

visual kraken
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Maybe it spawned in right before we summoned scourge?

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Either way I hope its just like a 1 variable tweak to make them spawn less

drowsy plank
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sso will likely change everything about cnidrion like schmoovi said and that will be the next update, so this suggestion is likely pointless

grave zincBOT
#

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Retier Occult Skull Crown to pre-Devourer of Gods]

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@modern sierra - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a method to place the brimstone crag biome's stalagmites]

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@violet sierra - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Cataclysm and Catastrophe drops to be based on the one killed last instead of rng.]

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@bold peak - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Calamity biomes to NPC likes / dislikes]

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@potent bison - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[# Rearrange Codebreaker Communication Entries]

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echo leaf
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Sick

harsh echo
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good job yall

fervent orbit
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oh no an enemy with projectile spam. if only there was a way to counteract projectiles that break on tile hit. too bad this isnt a sandbox game so we cant do anything about that

flint notch
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Wulfrum Scaffolding Kit 🔥

copper turret
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ay man yall gotta quit clowning on people making suggestions

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it just discourages people from making suggestions and gets nothing done besides shame someone for having an opinion

fleet grotto
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it's a bad suggestion

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the creator didn't really make it well, they don't provide good reasoning, they didn't specify nearly enough, and they aren't even fully sure of what they're talking about

drowsy plank
glass arch
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would it not be checked

hollow idol
crude geode
# fleet grotto it's a bad suggestion

Just because a suggestion is bad doesn’t give justification to clown on people making them. There’s a reason we have a pin specifically for feedback etiquette, because it’s extremely easy to just trash on someone

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Additionally, posting and voting are separate. If a bad sugg makes it into voting, it’s not the fault of the suggestor.

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Ergo, bad suggestions are meant to be in posting, so they can either be removed if they’re completely irrelevant or updated to the quality of good ones

glass arch
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modmail it instead of putting it in sugg disc

dense lichen
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honestly had no idea where else to put it but ty

grave zincBOT
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@serene vapor - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent Teleportation Potions from teleporting the player to the Abyss]

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serene vapor
echo leaf
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May I talk to the donor for Aestethicus? I have an idea for a suggestion for a minor tweak to it :)

drowsy plank
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uhhh maybe make a modmail for it and ill remember to send you the user id in the morning or something

echo leaf
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awesome, thanks

hollow idol
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i have direct connection with the donor

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(I also have plans to rework it, but a sugg for the meantime cant hurt)

umbral gazelle
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does anyone appear to know the donor of keelhaul?

grave zincBOT
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@restive wharf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add new menu themes]

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@abstract forge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the final note of Stained Brutal calamity part 3 play when Calamitas is defeated, rather than just fade out]

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@open gate - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a minion from the harvest staff as a pet]

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@fervent orbit - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Replace "Any Wings" in Celestial Tracers to Souls of Flight]

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@rocky hatch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Super Dummies have Defense and Damage Reduction Commands/options]

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echo leaf
harsh echo
restive wharf
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Let's go

golden sonnet
copper turret
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because you could accidentally use wings like nebula or solar in the recipe which are argusbly better

golden sonnet
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That's..... Exactly the point

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Read the suggestion

copper turret
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any wings implies even drews wings could bw accidentally used in the recipe

golden sonnet
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Yes, exactly

copper turret
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yeah i just told you the point of it i thought you didnt know mb

golden sonnet
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No

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That's how it currently is

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The suggestion is to change it

copper turret
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oh shit it got denoed

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denied

golden sonnet
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Insert reading joke here

copper turret
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they will tear your flesh and bone off

buoyant idol
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How do you go about tearing someone’s bones off?

copper turret
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photon ripper

buoyant idol
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Ok.

royal tapir
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Celestial Tracers have a blacklist of wings that they cannot use
(This is in next update, but its current whitelist doesn't have any of these)

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serene vapor
fervent orbit
serene vapor
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that would be why MOAB is blacklisted

fervent orbit
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as well as jetpack

royal tapir
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Jetpack is used to craft MOAB

copper turret
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so that means silva wjngs could work

royal tapir
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Yes

copper turret
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incredible

fervent orbit
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is there a reason why this way was preferred over souls of flight

royal tapir
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I can't answer that because I don't know the answer

fervent orbit
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this just feels like an overcomplicated solution that alr had a simple answer

copper turret
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you too loud rn

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do not question them

drowsy plank
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very goofy tbh

copper turret
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🤫

fervent orbit
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@royal tapir im questioning you

drowsy plank
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i think the worst part of not using souls is ur just gonna go get souls and then craft the cheapest wings you can find for them anyway so what's the point?

fervent orbit
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high quality image this time!!

drowsy plank
#

the return of this suggestion

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surely it will work this time

fervent orbit
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its just that

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SOMEHOW

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people in that batch got EVEN HIGHER THAN 200

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absolutely baffling

drowsy plank
#

indeed

fervent orbit
#

anyways uhhh theres a reason why pbgs fandom page has a weapon drop for every subclass, this is why

royal tapir
buoyant idol
#

You assume that any player playing Terraria is normal.

echo leaf
#

I desperately want to use celestial tracers to craft celestial tracers

wide river
novel belfry
fleet grotto
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seraph tracers into celestial tracers imo

oblique otter
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from post levi to post wof

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huge jump

harsh echo
dense locust
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its currently calclone or wof, so the replacement would be levithan or wof,
it would still be post wof either way the other option would just also have killing levi pre wall as an option

oblique otter
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oh i thought they meant the tablet thingy

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my bad

golden sonnet
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It's or

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I love 3 minute delayed messages

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Discord agony

oblique otter
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wow thank you raesh

golden sonnet
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No problem, clearly you didn't figure it out already and now it's an entirely irrelevant message

echo leaf
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Isn’t pre-hardmode calclone possible by shimmering Roxcalibur?

golden sonnet
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No

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Unholy core

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Also would need 2 roxx for enough havoc

echo leaf
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Ah, darn

dense locust
oblique otter
#

that's clearly unholy core

golden sonnet
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Oh wiki is wrong

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Regardless mythril anvil

dense locust
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yes

golden sonnet
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Which is what I initially said

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Only to correct myself based on wiki

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When apparently I was right to begin with

echo leaf
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You can get mythril pre-hardmode specifically on getfixedboi by shimmering the Eater of Worlds' light disc

golden sonnet
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Well yeah

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You can also entirely skip WoF in gfb

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It's an entirely different beast

copper turret
#

this is a cool suggestion but i wonder in what scenario youd need to use this

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double tap dash is a staple in all games even minecraft has it when you double tap to sprint

stray jacinth
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i think having both is nice

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you shouldn't be locked to only 1 method of dashing

harsh echo
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this could be cool as a config

vestal lark
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Yeah but if it wasn't a config it would suck.

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I get that people are used to the default dash activation but it REALLY sucks design-wise.

harsh echo
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I was used to teh double tap dash but it only takes a short while to get familar with the dash hotkey

stray jacinth
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i should've made it clearly that should be under a config yea

vestal lark
violet sierra
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if not i forseee a lot of "why cant i craft celestials"

royal tapir
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As I said, this is already in current version in a different form
And I don’t see anyone complaining about it, so /shrug

misty lichen
fervent orbit
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jetpack:

buoyant idol
#

Misplaced ' after Alcohols boohoo

sleek turret
#

yesss please add fernet branca pleaseeeee yessssss.,,,

grim tusk
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Add Mojito

crude geode
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Add hit drink ‘Green Spirit’ from hit abnormality Fairy Gentleman

patent marsh
#

I wish planterboxes actually sped up plant growth

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but it doesnt

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or at least replant the seed

oblique otter
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i wish planterboxes made blinkroots not random anymore

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😔

harsh echo
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that just removes the gimmick

drowsy plank
#

sometimes removing the gimmick is good

golden sonnet
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Honestly I find shiverthorn way worse than blinkroot

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Their gimmick is taking fucking forever, and they get desynced from each other just like blinkroot

gray bone
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i like this idea

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in voting

fervent orbit
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i like it too

gray bone
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no way

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never would've guessed

golden sonnet
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Oh wait, gotta quick make a suggestion to beat it

buoyant idol
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I haven’t played the game in over a year and I must too.

royal tapir
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Cranking out the good suggestion factory so it misses the cut

fervent orbit
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i will remove every atom from your body and torture them individually

royal tapir
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Empty words

buoyant idol
#

I will use my power of cooking suggestions that randomly get passed to dev today.

urban mulch
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well anyway

gray bone
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either my understanding of rogue is horrendous or this suggestion makes no sense

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don't coin+ reduce the amount of stealth a stealth strike consumes, not reduce the threshold?

fervent orbit
gray bone
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oh wow

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i need to play rogue more if i didnt know that

fervent orbit
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and by intended use i mean ur literally losing a fuck ton of damage if ur using it early so theres no point in doing so ever

fleet ember
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to make it more clear: what i meant is for the sound cue to play when the small square at the top of the bar lights up, not when the entire bar is full

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gray bone
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does that square represent when a stealth strike is available?

fleet ember
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yeah

gray bone
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ngl i thought it was just there to be fancy

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because i don't play rogue pretty much ever

fleet ember
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i'm using the ruin medallion rn (75% stealth) so the square lights up before the bar is full

vagrant spindle
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i support this, its a small change but a very nice one

oblique otter
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i wonder why

golden sonnet
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Like noob said

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So a sound cue before it's 100% full would convey something suboptimal to the player, which seems strange

echo leaf
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Besides, it's better to use stealth strikes when your stealth is full no matter what

golden sonnet
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Yeah, that's what we're saying

echo leaf
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Bouncing between 100% and 50% is better than 50% and 0%

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oh neato carry on

golden sonnet
golden sonnet
buoyant idol
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I think the Astral should spawn slightly later than it does currently since too much happens to the world when the WoF dies, but there's an issue in that Titan Heart is tied to rogue progression. Should it be X minutes later or have a different progression point entirely?

golden sonnet
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Problem is like, if it's a time it needs to account for the player leaving the world after WoF

buoyant idol
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True, there needs to be some delay though since the crash and also that it's overwhelming to have 3 giant new biomes appear instead of just two.

fervent orbit
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astral randomly can crash down any time post wof but the chance is just extremely high

golden sonnet
#

Honestly that would work

sleek turret
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👤+ Yeah!

echo leaf
#

That could also be used to try and manipulate where it spawns, which is a good thing

golden sonnet
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You can already manipulate where it spawns

fleet grotto
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isn't the miniboss thing 50/50 spawning thing infernum?

wide river
#

There's also the Colossal Squid that spawns in the Abyss, which the suggestion seemingly ignores

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Going off of the unique drops, we have:
Colossal Squid with 1 weapon
Eidolon Wyrm with 3 weapons
And Reaper Shark with 2 weapons, and a material that crafts 5 weapons, 1 accessory, and 1 set of armor

The suggestion is correct that Reaper Shark has the most drops, but that's what happens when it gets a unique material drop as well; ignoring the material, all three minibosses have about the same loot

dense locust
#

whats the third weapon I can only think of edge and wail

wide river
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Eidolon Staff, Eidolic Wail, and Void Edge

dense locust
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I'm ngl I thought eidolon staff was a cultist drop

wide river
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Used to be, in the past

dense locust
#

ah

hollow shell
#

Revives are supposed to have a priority system, I thought?

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Only one should trigger at a time, in a set order?

harsh echo
#

I checked the wiki and it seemed so. I think the battle went too fast that i died right after nebulous core revive

fervent orbit
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its probably just that nebulous core fucking sucks

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puts u at 100 hp and ur only lifeline are the normal amount of iframes u get

golden sonnet
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Yeah, nebulous has no post revive immunity like Silva

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So you can just die next hit

harsh echo
#

damn

fervent orbit
#

with silva u get more hp with wings and silva invincibility, which makes u unable to die for another 8 seconds as a "just in case"

dense locust
#

Clearly the solution is to bring back Silva max Health reductions

fervent orbit
#

atleast permas conconction u get 30% of ur max hp (which is most likely higher than 100 at that stage), the encased buff which increases ur def by 30 and gives 30 adr (non scaling dr)

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so like

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nebulous core gets beaten by a post cryo acc

harsh echo
#

nebulous core is more or less just a glorified spore sac

dense locust
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Spore sac + amalgamated brain

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Post dog acc

harsh echo
#

smhsmh

hollow shell
golden sonnet
#

Only a minor detail to gloss over

echo leaf
novel belfry
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i havent seen a sugg get this many stars in a long long time

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fleet grotto
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no

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just fish...

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it's not that hard!!!

stiff swallow
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no fuck you

grim tusk
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@stiff swallow check the stuff we changed the angler

stiff swallow
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i thought we didnt do fishing exclusives anymore!@!!

grim tusk
#

You get it way earlier

fleet grotto
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armor

grim tusk
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And with QoL its easy as hell due to most mods adding angler insta reset

fleet grotto
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cosmolight

stiff swallow
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tbf this might be a me thing id rather create something to allow me to just craft buy kill some shit than use the angler once

grim tusk
#

Anyways this is a reversion suggestion which is an exclam

grim tusk
stiff swallow
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tbf i wasnt even sure if it was a calamity thing originally

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got it ill probably just use that in the future then

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...

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i also didn't know if it was removed deliberately

grave zincBOT
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@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Retier Occult Skull Crown to pre-Devourer of Gods]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@modern sierra - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a method to place the brimstone crag biome's stalagmites]

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@violet sierra - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Cataclysm and Catastrophe drops to be based on the one killed last instead of rng.]

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@potent bison - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[# Rearrange Codebreaker Communication Entries]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
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#

@bold peak - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Calamity biomes to NPC likes / dislikes]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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#

@serene vapor - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent Teleportation Potions from teleporting the player to the Abyss]

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violet sierra
#

poggers

potent bison
#

Kinda sucks that they don't bother giving an explanation behind suggestion denials, but if I had to guess, it would fuck up their lore a bit. Idk.

fervent orbit
#

u alr get plenty of characterisation of draedon with logs and schematics, and draedon sees no reason to contact someone who hasnt even decrypted the ice schematic

restive wharf
#

Yeah sometimes I wish they added an explanation for why they deny some

potent bison
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That's certainly the in-universe explanation. Doesn't necessarily imply it has a good impact on gameplay and progression. Also, he leaves indirect messages for you as early as the Sunken Sea schematic (Pre-HM)

But the schematics and logs were fine, I agree. The codebreaker lore was, and still is a good idea, but its execution leaves something to be desired.

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distant gyro
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sorry but you can't reasonably get a unified opinion about a suggestion

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i believe the reasoning from most would concern draedon as a character

potent bison
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That's kinda the vibe I got. Even before posting, I knew it would be a little out of character, but still not much in the grand scheme of things, at least insofar as making a change that would tangibly benefit story-telling and gameplay.

distant gyro
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@hearty yew feels more strongly about it if he elects to give his thoughts

potent bison
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Also for future reference, an opinion is needed to form some kind of consensus on whether a suggestion gets approved or denied. Unless it was an executive decision on the part of a single dev, there will be discourse.

Whether an opinion is unified or not is irrelevant if a consensus has already been reached. While you're technically correct, it is not a very helpful thing to say if peeps wanna improve their suggestions in the future. Whether offering basic insights to failed suggestions is something you guys wanna invest in is up to you and the other devs, tho.

distant gyro
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idk if i understand that exactly

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suggestions being improved sounds like a complete myth to me if the implication is that improvement is approval

potent bison
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Improving any suggestion, not necessarily the one they already put out. Giving, at the very least, something to go off of; some insight on why that particular suggestion is faulty / why it ultimately wasn't implemented. Afaik, one person can't repost suggestions, so that's kinda a moot point to imply that someone is gonna workshop a single suggestion until it gets accepted.

An improved suggestion is one that uses feedback from previous failed suggestions to make more informed proposals that better reflect the goals and intended experiences of the game. To gameplay, progression, etc.

fervent orbit
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u can repost suggs

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u just cant do the exact same thing and expect it to work again

distant gyro
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yeah

potent bison
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Sure enough

olive saddle
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not my $50 steam gift card

distant gyro
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you can write up a suggestion as deeply (or lack thereof) as you want but what's really being judged is just

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"do this or no"

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and that really does not change nor consistently influenced

olive saddle
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i assume reasoning is not accounted for when the sugg is taken into account? something like "X should be added" vs "X should be added for consistency"

distant gyro
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most suggestions especially changes are just completely independent of each other

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actually scratch that additions are too

potent bison
# distant gyro "do this or no"

I mean, that's a very facile way of putting it. Again, you're not wrong, and I wasn't suggesting (lol) otherwise, but its, again, not very helpful to cultivating future suggestions.

distant gyro
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stuff like

add furniture? sure.
add furniture for this one particular set not meant to have furniture? well you know the answer

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you can't really anticipate the latter to happen

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(fictitious example but i hope you get the idea)

potent bison
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The other suggestions, like the teleportation potion, were suggestions that you can say "Yes" or "No" to, but you do that by examining how the sugg influences the intended mechanic in question.

In this case, the teleportation potion already has limits to not prematurely send you to places you're not intended to enter, like the Dungeon or Lizhard Temple. Naturally, such logic would similarly apply to the lower layers of the abyss.

"Yes" or "No" is still the final verdict, but you arrive at that conclusion in more complicated ways.

potent bison
distant gyro
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there are some exceptions to what otherwise "is consistent with other content" or "makes sense" that suggestions cannot possibly be aware of and they just have to basically give it a shot and find out

distant gyro
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yes

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"X should be added for consistency" will clearly communicate the thoughts put into the suggestion but if you just say "X should be added" and it turns out to be consistent anyway then the connection will naturally be made

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i would read that kind of stuff and go "yeah that would be consistent"

distant gyro
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which is why it's really hard to obtain a consensus

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because everyone is voting at their own accord and no conversations are being exchanged

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(most of the time)

potent bison
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Well, that's concerning.

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If intuition alone works, then it works ig. I just figured there would be more thought exchanged for what is and isn't accepted.

distant gyro
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intuition is a good way to put it

potent bison
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especially considering how much thought is put into some of these suggestions.

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Indifferent of whether they align with Calamity's design philosophy.

distant gyro
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idk if it's the best approach but i also don't want something like a groupthink mentality on suggestions

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if there is a discussion leading in one direction and the one following the discussion from behind is just subconsciously convinced into voting the other way

gray bone
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i think as long as there is also the option for discussion, then a voting system where you don't need to talk about it is fine

distant gyro
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well, either way

gray bone
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because a lot of things don't need discussion, or it might be hard for people to get thoughts across

distant gyro
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if you need an explanation you can always ask for one

potent bison
gray bone
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but then the option is still there in the case of complicated ideas

distant gyro
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but most of the time the verdict speaks for itself and suggestors just move on to the next thing (entirely independent of the previous)

gray bone
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reading that message just threw a random thought into my head

potent bison
gray bone
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calamity often locks certain resources' way of being obtainable via fishing to a different stage than they are normally unlocked, right?

distant gyro
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yes

gray bone
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like with reaper teeth being post-polty, but post-OD via fishing

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yeah okay

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i remember seeing an inconsistency at some point a little bit ago

distant gyro
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they werent always like that

gray bone
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but i cannot for the life of me remember what it is

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nor if it might've already been sorted

distant gyro
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until a lot of people upscoped the golden crate trick

potent bison
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Suggestions, by the way they are designed, are inherently nit-picky. But if a suggestion does show that it has more thought put into it, and points to a larger critique, rather than a simple QoL change, I do think it should merit more deliberation. It's why I phrased mine the way I did. 😛

distant gyro
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a lot of them are more grand than nitpicky

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but people also begin to realize that suggestions working with a higher scope has a stupidly rare chance of being implemented if approved because those will inherently be time sinking into something else

potent bison
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Right, and that was something I thought about when I made mine. I tried my best to facilitate a reworked code-breaker that wouldn't require much rewriting or reprograming.

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But by your own admission, this ultimately fell to "would this be in-character for Draedon," and little else.

gray bone
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but i feel as if that's a perfectly fine reason?

distant gyro
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i dont have a lot to say about it because i am rather distant with the lore writing (and did not vote in either direction either)

gray bone
distant gyro
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thats also why i pinged someone else to answer for me

potent bison
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distant gyro
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if you'd like to hear my thoughts on it anyway despite potentially outdated info and also not influencing the voting at all

potent bison
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Any feedback is welcome.

distant gyro
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when it comes to the progression of early game i feel showing is more important and is what's being worked on

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codebreaker communication is a lot of telling

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stuff like pbg being tied to the jungle lab or something

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historically draedon is a character that keeps a lot of mystique and you kinda have to fiddle between breaking that and giving the player a sense of what is going on

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so the solution that works best would probably be whatever's left behind rather than what draedon just straight up tells you

potent bison
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That makes sense

I do think Draedon was a character that initially worked better in the background, and that the Codebreaker entries are a bit long-winded, but those are separate critiques unrelated to the main point and would require more than just re-sequencing.

I agree, show, don't tell, is paramount, but my argument was to have the showing work in tandem with the telling. If Draedon is used in the codebreaker as a conduit to telling the lore, like how Yharim is currently used, then I think it would've made more sense to do it like how Yharim is currently utilized, rather than waiting until the end to dump so much lore that the player won't be able to process or do anything with.

distant gyro
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draedon is also used to play with 4th wall a bit and i think that's a fun kind of things you can go out to do (ie. 1.5 ARG and the april fools twitter Q&A)

gray bone
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not in that the text will be gone

potent bison
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Almost certainly

gray bone
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just they won't be yharim magically talking to you

fervent orbit
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yes, yharim will communicate with the player in a different way

potent bison
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But this is what we have right now.

gray bone
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i can already imagine him just hollering down for the aerie at us whenever we kill a boss

harsh echo
distant gyro
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i also dont think the abundance of dialogue options from draete is to the point of dumping

gray bone
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especially since you can pick and choose what to read and when

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and revisit what you've already seen in those same, small pieces

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more manageable than a big dump of info

potent bison
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I mean, you're not exactly left with a lot to do after Draedon, progression-wise. Calamitas* and the Boss rush are all that comes after that.

But saying that players can choose to read the lore in smaller chunks doesn't erase the problem that instantly unlocking a 10 page long essay of lore creates. You can do it that way. That doesn't mean everyone will.

gray bone
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i'm not saying i think that system is perfectly fine

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i have my issues with it too

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but i don't think it is so great an issue as to need a change right now when there are probably other things that make less sense

gray bone
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though that's a me issue

potent bison
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No, that's fair.
And yes, it is small, I wouldn't mind if they made the font size and the communication window itself bigger.

distant gyro
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it mightve been even smaller at some point

gray bone
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luckily i can just read the lore doc now because i've had my initial experience with it

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idk if the text size has been changed since the first patch

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since i read it the day it came out

distant gyro
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idk you can assess this amazing image here

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harsh echo
gray bone
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draedon resprite confirmed????

harsh echo
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time to add lamp oil to calamity

distant gyro
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morshu canon

potent bison
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Amazing. XD

echo leaf
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oh god are the exo mechs going to become giant advertisements?

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I don't wanna get beat to death by an advertisement for rope 😭

hearty yew
# distant gyro <@146333264871686145> feels more strongly about it if he elects to give his thou...

@potent bison your suggestion came across to me as complaining that draedon doesn't have cross game presence

That's intentional. You're not supposed to interact with him throughout the game. Speaking to him is ultimately optional. The reason he has so much dialogue is because we figured some players would enjoy hearing his perspective on a lot of the backstory of the mod.

Gameplay wise, you rummage through all his shit instead. We explicitly and intentionally separated Draedon's gameplay impact from talking to him, ensuring that you only ever had to do a bare minimum of speaking to him if you didn't give a shit about the lore and just wanted to play the game.

If we were going to add more Draedon relevance in terms of gameplay, it wouldn't be through talking to him.

My strong thoughts about your suggestion were a result of multiple factors:

  • I strongly disagreed with the sentiment;
  • I found it difficult to interpret your suggestion as something other than whining;
  • It took an enormous amount of screen space for what was ultimately a simple idea, and I believe suggestions that long should be culled and made shorter (i.e. the rules aren't being enforced sufficiently);
  • Most of your reasoning is built on the key assumption that Draedon is an antagonist. He isn't. He's just one of the major characters. Furthermore, his character is not supposed to develop much at all during the course of the game, especially not through interactions with the player.

There is one strong point here which is that giving lore to the players when it's more relevant to them serves the game's narrative better, even if it violates the consistency of speaking to Draedon only at the end of the game. In fact, the initial plans for the Codebreaker by me had you slowly able to access more and more scraps of lore as you upgraded the decryption. How this changed into a monolithic lore dump narrated by Draedon himself, I am not entirely certain, but retrofitting the existing entries to spread throughout the game would be an enormous undertaking and it would be more appropriate to also add the Codebreaker's initial intended function as a side choice. Which would also be an enormous undertaking and would add even more heavy and largely pointless text lore to the game.

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TL;DR

you are not supposed to speak to Draedon throughout the game

You were supposed to get a trickle feed of Draedon lore throughout the game, but that didn't happen

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Oh, as a side comment:

Almost every avenue that was baked into the existing systems to give reasonable Draedon based story information was retrofitted into just telling you where to go next, because apparently we needed 4 different simultaneous solutions to people being unable to find large and easily discernible structures in distinct biomes.

You know how text appears when you decrypt the codebreaker schematics? Yeah, that's supposed to have lore in it and it's currently incredibly out of character.

I'm not sure any of the data pads or schematics you get are accurate either. The whole idea of stuffing items into the codebreaker to get more lore bits isn't bad, and should be how it works logically (floppy disks in your computer, anyone?) but every possible existing avenue of solving the problem you want to solve in a different way is currently coopted for an absurd attempt at gameplay streamlining, or rotting in a corner where nobody can see it.

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In other news, I need to nerf the Onyx Drill.

distant gyro
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ive been thinking about nerfing onyx drill for ages and never actually remembered to

gray bone
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yeah that thing is insanely fast for it's method of obtainment

echo leaf
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Valid

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Wait no DON'T NERF THE DRILL it's funny

distant gyro
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that thing moves so fast that it spawned its own problem that the digging starts to become jagged through fast movement, causing random bumps throughout the track

hearty yew
echo leaf
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That's a funny. It adds to the funny factor

distant gyro
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if you've used this item at some point you know exactly what bumps i mean

hearty yew
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If you would like to write the code before I get to it, ping me in dev server for the writeup.

echo leaf
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I did experience that, but coming to a full stop and accelerating again solved it

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I used it to create an artificial surface forest on gfb

copper turret
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do not nerf the onyx drill it is so awesome

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i rest my case

hearty yew
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it's getting nerfed but it'll scale its speed with your equipped pickaxe, so you can't immediately use it to destroy the world but it still competes with vanilla drill mount post ml

copper turret
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this is so sad

hearty yew
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I am aware this is unpopular

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I don't care

echo leaf
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So it's going to be possible to dig at the current speed so long as you have a strong pickaxe?

hearty yew
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It is a game ruining item.

hearty yew
copper turret
echo leaf
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It's just gonna be slower when you have a crappy pickaxe?

echo leaf
fleet grotto
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Lock it into hardmode tbh

hearty yew
distant gyro
hearty yew
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It looks fucking horrible.

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And finally, it's supposed to be able to dig down but can't

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which is another thing I was going to fix

echo leaf
copper turret
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i thought that was intentional to make it more balanced

hearty yew
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it's also supposed to be able to fly a little bit

copper turret
hearty yew
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I've seen at least 3, so I'm guessing there are more. Maybe I'm catastophizing this.

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Ultimately the nerf is going to also be a buff because of its increased capabilities

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It's going to be less extreme and one dimensional