suggestions-discussion

[wintry gale]

anyway
my main point is
biome mimics are as annoying as all the other things that have a spawnblocker once you dont need their drops
they take a long time to kill if you end up waking one of them
and as much time as you teleport away back to spawnpoint with mirror

basically the same reason as every other entity with a spawnblocker

[royal tapir]

Every other entity with a spawn blocker is tied to a boss

[bright crag]

But (Biome) Mimics rarely ever bother you "uninvited" in normal circumstances

[wintry gale]

summoner.

[lucid marsh]

its happened plenty of times even without summoner to me

[royal tapir]

Mimics are uncommon enough that they don't pose much of a threat when exploring normally, and if you are specifically farming stuff, I would like to hope that you know what you're getting into and you clear out space

[bright crag]

Still not that common in my experience
The fact that you are using potions to increase spawn rates makes your point even less credible

[lucid marsh]

now, has it ever been a severe issue for me? no

[wintry gale]

okay then

[lucid marsh]

but they do show up and attack when you're not trying to target them

[wintry gale]

guess i lost this time

[novel belfry]

Not surprising, considering Rebecca's passioned statement

[onyx osprey]

wow, didn't think the reception for the DoG thing I suggested would be that positive (even if the devs said they weren't doing it lol, but it is what it is)

I posted it here since people on the subreddit seemed to really like the idea

[novel belfry]

and im not that mad anyways, it was an item suggestion at the end of the day

[bright crag]

Honestly, it makes a lot of sense

Even though we won't do it, for a few reasons, it definitely has some merit

At least in my eyes

[novel belfry]

dog should be shown to live up to his name anyways

i hope the rework should showcase his power absorbtion anyways, it's integral to his lore

or maybe just him using the powers he got from eating gods

[grim tusk]

Wait what; oh well it will happen anyways with the biome reworks :)

[onyx osprey]

I always did think that aspect should be shown off more

I'm not sure which gods he's canonically consumed with the lore rewrite though

[worldly sparrow]

power absorption??? dog just eats the godly essence fed to him

[bright crag]

Not entirely sure
But he does supposedly clean stuff up after you kill Providence and Slime God
After all, godly essence lingers if not properly disposed of

[bright crag]

^

[novel belfry]

"I ordered Draedon to armor his gargantuan form, so he could safely best even great Gods in single combat."

[bright crag]

Yeah he doesn't have "power absorption" in new lore

He just eats Gods

[onyx osprey]

alright that makes more sense then

[bright crag]

It's (currently) unclear what he does with the energy he gets from godly essence consumption

[novel belfry]

i mean, he is apparently loyal to Noxus... wonder if he's like

feeding Noxus his power ig

[onyx osprey]

also unrelated question, the bandit uses they/them pronouns yeah? the lore doc uses "her" when referring to the bandit

[bright crag]

Yeah, Bandit uses they/them

[onyx osprey]

the lore doc should be updated then

it exclusively misgenders them atm

[wide river]

Show me where, please?

[bright crag]

Hmm
@ enchiladajohn How DARE you smh 🙄

(If you could fix it, it'd be nice :D)

[onyx osprey]

I mean I assume it's just outdated

[bright crag]

Also thank you for pointing out, Clarkster

[novel belfry]

i mean the bestiary entry says
"The bandit may have a bad habit of looting battlefields and taking what isn’t theirs, but their actions are mostly motivated by their hatred of the obscenely rich who haven’t truly earned the wealth they possess. Their methods are somewhat shady, but can always be relied upon to get a job done."

so there's one half of their pronouns

[small timber]

Yeah, wasnt getting too much hopes up for it since it suggested fot very specific incentivization, though as long as future plans add others should be fine

[novel belfry]

and also:

The Bandit is canonically non-binary, which is the reason why they are capable of teleporting to both the King Statue and Queen Statue.

[onyx osprey]

happy to help 👍

[wide river]

No, I mean "Where does it refer to that in the lore doc"
I fixed the bit in the NPC dialogue section but I want to know if there's anywhere else

[novel belfry]

ah i see

[onyx osprey]

as far as I can see it's fixed now

[wide river]

Ok cool, thanks for pointing that out

[small timber]

And also regarding absorber upgrade: if absorber dont deserve an upgrade because absorber is already endgame viable, imo that also is an issue with absorber being too powerful

But I dont have a proper gauge on how powerful it actually is at endgame, particularly DoG/post-DoG

I just use it as quick swap loadout

[novel belfry]

[wide river]

Imo:
While Absorber could be nerfed to let an upgrade have room, maybe it's just better that we have more unique accessories rather than just letting the same few go all the way to endgame?

[onyx osprey]

I was thinking of the deific amulet

just being able to remove debuffs will always be useful

like the grand gelatin would be perfectly viable if the absorber didn't exist

[novel belfry]

Also why was this rejected again? I still feel very bitter about this

[lilac verge]

oh, sorry

[onyx osprey]

that is kind of weird now that you mention it... I wonder why both weapons exist

[wide river]

Starmageddon is a donor weapon which was intended to be a sidegrade to Starmada

Source:

#suggestions-discussion message

[small timber]

Accessory upgrade do not have to always be a combined accessory, it can also be just for the purpose of spacing out power level

[onyx osprey]

I mean I guess if someone paid for it then it's their call

[novel belfry]

especially since the suggestion had a very VERY good point:

DoG tier already has almost TWENTY DIFFERENT OPTIONS, while Auric has about 6. Starmageddon was always supposed to be an upgrade to Starmada; so I think simply following the donor's original intentions would vastly help this weapon's identity.

[small timber]

And it do not have to say be post-DoG, can also be post-provi/polter etc which currently dont have much accessories anyway

[coral carbon]

also:

[onyx osprey]

idk how this sort of thing is usually handled here; but in most games, donor content is just not messed with

[ashen warren]

^ You have to get express permission from the donor to make a suggestion about donor weapons

[novel belfry]

According to Rover, this might be the reason: #suggestions-discussion message
And as for your source, there's actually a conflicting source saying otherwise: #suggestions-discussion message

although I COULD be wrong, there might be conclusive evidence

and also the suggestion said it had permission from the donor

[wide river]

Eh, not certain

Point is, it wasn't accepted

Not sure about specifics, I just know results

[novel belfry]

i just would like an answer

[onyx osprey]

Why not remove the Starmada then?

or move the Starmada up a tier

it's kind of weird from a player's perspective that there are two weapons that more or less do the same thing

[novel belfry]

in fact, honestly the devs should write down a reason for rejecting a sugg, whether they reject a sugg, and have the bot say it

[onyx osprey]

and have almost the same crafting recipe, at that

would it be problematic for the Starmageddon to upgrade into the Starmada? I suppose the Starmada would be moved up into Auric tier. The Starmageddon wouldn't be touched and you wouldn't have two weirdly similar weapons in the same tier

[small timber]

Doesnt make sense unless is overwhelmingly voted

Because there is a voting system in dev too

It dont always get rejected because of a specific reason, it can also be just it didnt get majority vote

[bright crag]

And it can have multiple reasons

I usually come here with an explanation, when there's an overarching one to give

[novel belfry]

speaking of which, what was your thought on the geddon sugg

[onyx osprey]

sometimes they just don't like the idea
the devs are the ones putting the work in, ultimately they have the right to just not add something

[bright crag]

I was pretty indifferent
But I think I voted in favor of it...?

[onyx osprey]

are people receptive to the idea of a Yoyo Bag upgrade? it kind of feels bad to use a light red rarity item up into the endgame since it just never upgrades into anything. yoyos sort of get left behind I feel (yes I'm aware the Azathoth is SS tier but that will change eventually, bringing us back to this)

[wide river]

Vanilla 1.4.5 is adding one iirc
The "Magic Yoyo Bag" it's called, pretty sure

[onyx osprey]

that will help, though it will still (probably) be a pre-moon lord accessory

[wide river]

This thing
(Link was acquired from the August State of the Game if curious)

[small timber]

Yoyo bag do not need an upgrade, it is inherently multiplicative in nature

If you want to add yoyo bag upgrade the only way is to downgrade the current yoyo bag and make it worse, even then it means rebalancing a lot of yoyos

That or you make all yoyos after said yoyo bag upgrade a lot worse at base

[onyx osprey]

While strong, yoyos are typically more difficult to use than other melee weapons (especially against fast moving or chaotic enemies)

idk, I think yoyos are underappreciated atm, there are easier weapons that deal comparable damage

[small timber]

Current stat of yoyos are not just strong

Half the hm yoyos completely obliterate all bosses

It is only at post-ML where it dies down

And even then it is still viable

Except dog since there is a gap in yoyo upgrade

[onyx osprey]

What yoyo before the Terrarian stands out? I tried a few of them but usually went back to the other melee options

[small timber]

For HM, nearly 50-70% of them are viable

If you want the absolutely most busted ones

Red's throw is under mnl, eye of cthulhu fuck moon lord up etc

[onyx osprey]

fair enough, I guess I've been underrating them
though a yoyo bag upgrade doesn't necessarily need to boost DPS, maybe there's a defensive accessory that could be combined with it

[small timber]

it is not strange to underrate them, before last patch yoyo was unplayable

and then they get buffed and now they just suddenly nukes everything (for HM at least, for post-ML it is relatively balanced)

[onyx osprey]

they're probably going to balance them then which would add more credence to a possible upgrade

but suggesting things for currently nonexistant content is frowned upon so I guess it's a moot point

[small timber]

wulfrum are intended to be exclusively early game only

[lucid marsh]

@plucky crag the missing building blocks like walls, platforms, and doors will be added eventually

[small timber]

and there are enough wulfrum stuff for early game

[lucid marsh]

I think they meant building materials

[plucky crag]

oh

[drowsy plank]

dont we have wulf blocks or

is that only calval

[wide river]

@dusky mason A couple things to note about your suggestion here. I suggest checking the Suggestion Don'ts doc which is where most of my feedback comes from:

1. The devs are planning on adding whips for Summoner at some point, they just need to balance the rest of the class first.
2. It appears the majority of your reasoning is around this being a reference item, which isn't allowed according to one of the Don'ts
3. This is rather specific so even if the first two concerns were addressed, it likely wouldn't get implemented anyway due to the lack of leeway for implementation

[dusky mason]

ok

[drowsy plank]

oh right

[lucid marsh]

We do, the furniture set is just incomplete (no platforms, walls, or doors)

[frank viper]

its more to help mix and match armour sets and classes, as well as potentially affecting other accessories, and tbh, I kinda forgot the other armours existed except for frozen and forbidden. I can perfectly understand if it doesn't get in, but if you do decide to try it, it could potentially be only accessible through cheat mods while trying to balance it, so that people who want to use it can test it out. I only came up with the idea because i wanted to use the plague tainted smg and the plague summons.

[drowsy plank]

just... use astral armor man

that has big damage and summon slots

[grim tusk]

Or facetank shit with reaver

[drowsy plank]

also true

i was mostly focusing on the "i want to use plague summons with plague smg"

like

you can do that

rn

and it's arguably viable

lmao

[grim tusk]

Its likely op due to wither blossoms

Oh wait that gets nerfed next path

[frank viper]

any idea when the patch comes out?

[grim tusk]

Still plague debuff bonus on the smg + strong minion that inflicts the debuff

[grim tusk]

I’d say anywhere between 7 and 10 hours

[frank viper]

ok thx

but yeah, if you do decide to add it, it should definitly be on the weaker side of viable

[steep patrol]

about plague debuff 5% contact damage reduction does it stack with other sickness debuff cuz i can just face tank yharon with The Amalgam

[inner pier]

at what time or after?

[crude geode]

They don’t know

It’s not an exact thing really

[drowsy plank]

Whenever Fabsol wakes up and pushes it. Please just be patient.

[ripe owl]

Just remember that there is always a threshold of 2-3 business days

[willow seal]

i cant play calamity (

@ancient widget

where are fabsol

[ripe owl]

I ate them

[willow seal]

lets call to andrew

[frosty trellis]

#mod-announcements

[ripe owl]

Just a note: this isn't a right place to ping anyone

[willow seal]

oh

few hours mean two weeks or more

yes?

[ripe owl]

No

[hushed scarab]

we don't know how long it'll take

[sand marlin]

It'll take two years for the next calamity update

[small timber]

calamity will be released 1 hour later
if it didn't, just look back at this message

[fervent orbit]

calamity will be released in 1 second
if it didnt, keep looking at this message

[gusty birch]

Time zone?

[fervent orbit]

what?

[distant gyro]

7 hours means in 7 hours regardless of time zone

[gusty birch]

Ok

[willow seal]

around 5 hours and 8 hours

[quaint hemlock]

is that from now?

[hushed scarab]

we dont have an exact time. Calamity will update when it does. we have no real idea. could be 7 hours, could be a whole day

[quaint hemlock]

alright buddy'

[willow seal]

calamity didnt work

[hushed scarab]

wrong channel.

[bright crag]

Omg it's colon three

[wide river]

@gritty acorn There is in fact a balance channel (more of a thread but you get the idea)
I would suggest putting this in #1042197406776827914 instead of here

[gritty acorn]

is it official or unofficial

yes its official

ty

[bright crag]

@tidal epoch Adding Subworlds isn't a valid suggestion, as it violates the rule of "no extreme effort"

Besides, it's set in stone that Distortion and Dragon Aerie will be the only subworlds in Calamity

[tidal epoch]

Oh, ok

Deleting

Deleted

[bright crag]

Alright, ty

[wintry gale]

btw how hard is it to make subworlds on terraria?
just curious

[bright crag]

I have no idea :p

I'm not a coder

[ashen warren]

using the library mod? not the worst thing in the world although its far from bug free

from scratch? hell nah

[wintry gale]

everything that moves away of average terraria mechanics is most likely far from bug free

[tired haven]

that'd imply anything that stays within average terraria mechanics is likely to be bug free

[wintry gale]

i suppose
but im probably talking shit

[tired haven]

You aren't wrong, I just couldn't resist taking an extra jab at terraria programming

It definitely gets far more desolate the further you move from originally intended features

[ashen warren]

subworlds are, very hard to do

the fact that theres a library for them is a blessing, even with its shortcomings with things like mp stability

[wintry gale]

who cares about mp
i just want to fight this cool guy in a far away desert coliseum

[golden tulip]

didnt dom create subworlds from scratch for fun

i thought that one subworld where everything is underworld was made from scratch

[glass arch]

he tried to make em from scratch

it didnt work

[golden tulip]

even chadder

[ashen warren]

It also didn't fully work properly hence why you haven't heard from it since :p

[fervent orbit]

this man wants to shoot baby jellyfish as a cannonball

truly despicable

[wide river]

If we can fire bunnies from a cannon surely the ethical barrier of firing baby jellyfish is out the window :hdflr:

[buoyant idol]

It's awful that the bestiary mentions it, but consistency is merciless.

[golden sonnet]

[livid coral]

I am wheezing at that last sentence

Who is distraught over not being able to use baby jellyfish as cannonballs

(I approve though)

[fervent orbit]

he was, clearly

[royal tapir]

Wasn’t this idea discussed in dev while it was being added

[ashen warren]

yes

[livid coral]

I don't remember the consensus of it was

[novel belfry]

That would be a very rad ranged weapon

just FIRE CANNONBALL JELLYFISH AS CANNONBALLS

[buoyant idol]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-launcher-gun-bazooka-missile-gif-3693399

[drowsy plank]

i think the reasons dashes dont dye with visibility toggled is a technical limitation thing but

ill wait for a real dev to say something on the matter

[lavish condor]

counter scarf dash trail is actually dyed by your boots' dye

if it's technical limitations something like that could work

[bright crag]

Pretty sure the intention was making them viable ammo

[wintry gale]

is that a good sugg tho?

oh

shit

sorry for ping

[dense ferry]

Yeah I literally wrote that Bestiary and said

"We should make them usable as Cannon Ammo"

Will probably be added, unless for some reason adding Cannon Ammo is just horrid

[wintry gale]

Peta will chase calamity for doing it

[dense ferry]

Good

That means we are doing something right

[wintry gale]

soon they will ask for yharon death being replaced for a cutscene where he drops his tbag and leaves

[buoyant idol]

Crabulon is no longer undead

Only is passive now

[worldly sparrow]

"due to peta we are forced to rewrite the lore again to include the following:
moon lord was found guilty for crimes against humanity for killing the dragons
the gods were all desciples of satan
dog had to be euthanized
yharon cannot be attuned to yharim nor they can be friends
yharim is the hero for killing most of the gods"

[wide river]

Peta-friendly Calamity would be an experience
Suddenly half the game disappears and the other half is changed beyond recognition

[hybrid steeple]

the question is why would you ever want to be friendly to peta

[wide river]

Uhhhh pita bread good

[hybrid steeple]

TRUE

say what you will about their kill shelters peta knows how to make a flatbread

[worldly sparrow]

what else would peta change

oh

ilmerian sea would still be around

[hybrid steeple]

nah
all the boss fights against animals are the same you just have to use a euthanization needle instead of any other weapons

[worldly sparrow]

depriving animals of water is cruel

[worldly sparrow]

oh shit they euthanized the dog

[livid coral]

I know we're joking about that but I will straight laced serious say this that PETA has the highest euthanasia rate out of any other animal advocacy group.

While on the same breath talking about animal liberation and freeing them

iirc it's between 67% to 99%, depending on the source

[random talon]

PETA will be a post-Moon Lord boss in my Terraria mod

[novel belfry]

PETA seed

[worldly sparrow]

honestly i'd be more interested in a seed where you cannot commit war crimes

[wide river]

@patent veldt Please read the Suggestion Don'ts Doc before posting a suggestion
Namely, this violates the "No reference suggestions" Don't, and is almost one of the exact examples of what not to suggest there
Basically, you can't have the majority of your reasoning be for it to just be a reference (also the "It would be cool" part of the reasoning, which is also discouraged)

[patent veldt]

my b

[serene tendon]

And also they block anyone who puts forth reasonable arguments against their statements.

[lucid marsh]

that's to be expected

[golden sonnet]

I feel like this should not have passed into voting but idk

[small timber]

either that or just mark it as planned once entering voting

[distant gyro]

ill just tool it

[grave zinc]

@plucky crag - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[add more wulfrum stuff]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

[regal willow]

[stray warren]

[tough ledge]

That is some of the highest euthanasia rates I have ever seen, even higher than most kill-shelters

[odd geyser]

Yeah it's quite horrid

[tiny minnow]

Anyway… Astral armour should have wings.

[drowsy plank]

hadarian wings exist i guess

[regal willow]

the bars made from space rock cannot be used to craft flying stuff???

to be fair though, a supposed pair of astral wings will have to compete with empress and fishron wings for mobility just before ml.

would be bloat I guess

[tiny minnow]

Fair enough

[hybrid steeple]

yep

[livid coral]

Yeah it's baaad

[hybrid steeple]

virginia in particular changed their legal definition of an animal shelter to exclude peta kill shelters

[livid coral]

omg I approve

[odd geyser]

W

Peta genuinely sucks, won't say much about it, but the fact that they say they save animals and shit but then you see the data and there's that, it's very messed up on multiple levels

[tiny minnow]

The RSPCA are no better.

[odd geyser]

Haven't heard of them

we could move from this channel, into gentalk or genmedia if you wanna inform me

[tiny minnow]

Defo.

[odd geyser]

aight

[random talon]

@burnt beacon What does Providence's old death sound sound like?

[burnt beacon]

you can find it on the wiki, its still there for some reason even though its been replaced by her newer death animation

[random talon]

my school chromebook won't let me on the page

[drowsy plank]

The CalClone rework coming 2053

[fervent orbit]

[glass arch]

[clear star]

oh i see them

Nvm

[random talon]

what are we ing for?

[small timber]

donor item, don't know if this need donor approval though
bast statue is probably fine, but candles is likely not just because of how effectively candles are compare to other station buffs

and also no camper do not really give every other placeable buff, just many of them, particularly campfire and heart lantern, and the all class station buff (which because of their permanent duration now is more QOL than actual advantage due to no arena building restriction) that is pretty much it

camper is missing:
bast statue, honey, star in a bottle, candles, sunflower, war table (though this one probably should be in camper), and cake (sugar rush) if you want to count it

[drowsy plank]

@atomic rain you need donor permission to make a suggestion about their item

[buoyant idol]

That name has likely caused a ping or two.

[atomic rain]

How to get it and why my nickname changed?

[glass arch]

so the mods dont do an @everyone ping

[atomic rain]

Also I'm not sure that getting permission possible because his last message been more than year ago.

[dense sable]

make what

wait when did i get in suggestions discussion

[drowsy plank]

your username is problematic, im actually discussing making it universally against the rules to have it set to that because of the problems it causes with mod pings

also if you wish to make a change to a donor item i can DM you the user ID
also that sucks but you still have to ask so have fun with that ig lmao. that's what i had to and still have to do to makes these kinds of suggestions

fun fact even the devs need donor perm first

[vagrant spindle]

took a walk down the dark alleyway

[drowsy plank]

hence why dratnortilus or whatever that bow is called is still the way it is

[vagrant spindle]

oh god
why am I in suggs discussion

get me out of here

[ashen warren]

that ain't a donor wep

[drowsy plank]

it's dedicated tho and i know the person it was for didnt want it changed or something

it's still the same idea tho

[ancient crow]

why would it need a name change in the first place?

[cobalt pewter]

is it troubling that I can perfectly write drataliornus without ever looking the name up beforehand

I don't even use the weapon much

hell, I think I only used it a grand total of 1 time

[golden sonnet]

They aren't talking about the name

[bleak garnet]

is there any way to reduce lags due projectiles?

[bright crag]

Other way around

Dedicatee wanted to entirely revamp the item
We didn't agree

[golden tulip]

can you

do that

lol

[glass arch]

yes

[golden tulip]

well dang

yea devs dont do anything if the dedicatee doesnt agree either so

[golden sonnet]

YOOOO, he hit the corner!

[worldly sparrow]

no sugg bot, this looks like correct formatting

[golden tulip]

this has got to be the

least issue-y issue of all issues

[wintry gale]

what?

[wide river]

Too big of a file iirc

[golden tulip]

this is less of an issue than the arrow sprites being flipped

[worldly sparrow]

sugg bot reacted with 🗜️

[wide river]

I've had it happen before

[wintry gale]

oh yeah i just saw it
what did i do wrong

[worldly sparrow]

file size of the video is too big

[wintry gale]

should i like
repost the sugg without the video since its not that necessary?

[worldly sparrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide river]

You could try compressing it

[wintry gale]

ok

is there a minimum file size?

allowed

i mean

[wide river]

I think 8 megabytes is the current upper point, don't know if the bot's accounted for the new Nitroless filesize yet

[glass arch]

8 mb is the top limit yeah

[wintry gale]

done
now i gotta wait cooldown

[wintry gale]

what

[fervent orbit]

just quickly wrote up a sugg like a few hours ago but only posting it now lol

[worldly sparrow]

good sugg, i approve 👍

[royal tapir]

This is already implemented for next update actually

Or no, it was implemented in 2.0.3.5

[fervent orbit]

it was?

[royal tapir]

Yes

[worldly sparrow]

oh

uhh

[fervent orbit]

ah yes it did

[worldly sparrow]

good thing to implement, i approve 👍

[royal tapir]

[wide river]

Snailed at suggesting

[novel belfry]

Honestly should i suggest that Lore Items look less like floating glowy points of light and more like some part of the boss?

Like the trophies, but held

[worldly sparrow]

probably would get denied

[fervent orbit]

it was right next to angler quest rewards and new boss summon item tooltips in changelogs can u blame me for missing it?

should probably work on that celshell sugg ive also been procrastinating on

[wide river]

👀

[novel belfry]

celshell?

[wide river]

Celestial Shell

[novel belfry]

okay what's the idea behind noob's sugg?

[fervent orbit]

yes i saw celestial shell as celshell

fight me

[novel belfry]

Fight you?

More like, I'm going to shove broccoli-

/s

[fervent orbit]

Shift the focus of the Celestial Shell line to be more defensive

In vanilla, the Celestial Shell is a weird mix of stats, but mainly consisting of offensive melee stats. However, in Calamity, the

fuck

i forgot it uses ##

[novel belfry]

LOL

[wide river]

However, in Calamity, the

[novel belfry]

but that's already an interesting sug

consider me on board

[bright crag]

Counterproposal: make Baby Boomer behave exactly like an idle DVD screen

[novel belfry]

and also now that i think about it, the Darksun Ring kinda just exists

i might suggest a rework for that?

[buoyant idol]

Move darksun explosion to VoE and have it charge up when holding down

[glass arch]

p sure it was denied in dev before even getting to voting

[north oracle]

@craggy light this sort of suggestion is for #1042197406776827914
aside from that, p90 is a pretty balanced weapon if a little underpowered

[glass arch]

also even with it being faster its

still super generic

its just another bullet hose

back in your day the guns were still bullet hoses

bullet hoses have been around for ages

[wide river]

Since vanilla added the Minishark

[glass arch]

yes

[north oracle]

[glass arch]

aka

since release

[wide river]

Funny shark gun

[craggy light]

my b, i wasnt saying it was poorly balanced, it just used to be my favorite gun and now its not interesting or fun compared to the rest

[north oracle]

you could suggest a rework

but suggesting to revert a nerf isn't allowed there

[craggy light]

you mean in the channel you referred me?

[north oracle]

in posting

if you want it to be reworked or made more unique then make a suggestion in posting

if you want it buffed because it's underpowered go to balance suggs

[craggy light]

thanks

[lucid marsh]

Should stardust be renamed to something like "infected stardust"?

It would make more sense with how there's the stardust elemental pillar

[wintry gale]

Celled turning on a sickness debuff automatically:

[weak lily]

Still waiting.

[wintry gale]

👀

[drowsy plank]

the owner of that mod has been told to contact cal before but they never got a response i believe

so if it is on cal they cant really do much about it atm

[fervent dove]

oh really? that is unfortunate if so

[ashen warren]

reminds me of the pin in #calamity-addon-talk where the whip addon owner is complaining about infernum when they never contacted us about it lol

[fervent dove]

i was able to make a wider than normal world i think this last one was about 12000~ to generate but it appears that height is when the errors start occuring, going to beyond the large world height appears to cause the issues.

[north oracle]

Not entirely a negative… just encourages people to use cata instead

[wide river]

Ture

[livid coral]

Which mod is this

[sand marlin]

Advanced World Generation likely

[ashen warren]

they have breaking conflicts with us too

quite annoying

[regal willow]

https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1158667133685870644

🍷

[ashen warren]

they break us specifically because i believe they force the dungeon on the right, when we need it on the left and try to force it there ourselves

at least thats what ive heard, i cant say ive looked into it much

[cobalt pewter]

average terraria players when the weapon is a broken bullet hose be like

gobble gobble

minishark has done an awful lot of damage to the mindset of Terraria players

[cobalt pewter]

probably something that isn't star or dust

[golden sonnet]

Astral Ashes

[regal willow]

astral poo

[austere cargo]

Is this a change from previous versions? I swear I've had calamity maps with dungeons on the right.

[glass arch]

infernum changes it for profaned garden

[ashen warren]

^

[fervent dove]

Why does calamity need dungeon on left?

[golden sonnet]

It doesn't, infernum does

[royal tapir]

Calamity does not need the Dungeon on the left
That is a change made by Infernum

[golden tulip]

i never realized the dungeon is on the left with infernum

i still randomly go right or left to find it

[fervent dove]

Ah I misunderstood. Assumed toasty was part of calamity not infernum

[kindred creek]

could I suggest to add back the defense to Leviathan Ambergris? It's new effect is interesting, but that fact that it depends on another item to even have a use is stupid.

[fervent dove]

Though that does make me wonder what could have changed or is different between large world enabler back in 1.3 and advanced world gen. Since large world enable still worked despite also bloating the size the of the world up past large.

[royal tapir]

That wouldn't break any rules really, so sure you could

[small timber]

Leviathan's Ambergis had been completely reworked from its previous effect that I don't think making it give defense fits anymore

[fervent orbit]

reversion?

[small timber]

if anything the suggestion should instead address the fact that accessories like Leviathan Ambergis rely on another item to function, or something like that
instead of just slap defense on it because it used to give defense

[fervent orbit]

also, it is not dependant on another item

[kindred creek]

that's what I'm doing

[fervent orbit]

cal gives a base dash

[royal tapir]

It's such a minor thing that it wouldn't matter
And besides, slight spoiler: there's a good chance the reversion don't dies in the doc rewrite

[kindred creek]

the base dash is terrible

it's only useful early game

[fervent orbit]

should probably be a soft dont unless soft donts in general die

[bright crag]

Not really actually

Though you'd still prefer having actual dashes most of the time

[novel belfry]

Well then... why does Infernum need dungeon on left?

[fervent orbit]

profaned garden

[novel belfry]

wait, profaned temple NEVER goes left?

huh

[fervent orbit]

yes

[royal tapir]

Profaned Garden structure always spawns on the right
So they change the Brimstone Crag to always spawn on the left to avoid conflicts
Crags are directly tied to the Abyss, and the Abyss is directly tied to the Dungeon

[bright crag]

^

[ashen warren]

no we change the dungeon

to be specific

as those all rely on it

[royal tapir]

Ah, well, same result either way

[bright crag]

Profaned Temple doesn't spawn on the left because it's just a really massive build

Not exactly easy to mirror

[ashen warren]

ye it wouldnt really work backwards

technically you maybe could but that would be cursed

[bright crag]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

does this count as reversion

also what about like

wing buffing accessories

like this just isn't true

[kindred creek]

wing buffing accessories are different. Flight time is much more important than dash velocity, mainly because most dash velocities are fine in their base state.

[drowsy plank]

no they aren't

[kindred creek]

skill issue

[fervent orbit]

also a dash buffing item has alr existed for a few updates now (ods)

[drowsy plank]

you can't just say they aren't the same when half your argument depends on the point that "no accessory is dependant on another" when i point out that you're literally just wrong

[fervent orbit]

also we dont need a 3rd post plantera dash accessory

[drowsy plank]

anyway flagging this for reversion and also lack of reasoning

[kindred creek]

bro is mad

[drowsy plank]

you are not very smart

[kindred creek]

also, it isnt a reversion. I am simply stating the problems with the current version that needs adressing.

[glass arch]

^

[drowsy plank]

saying it isn't reversion doesn't make it not reversion

[fervent orbit]

your specifically asking for it to have defense back

[glass arch]

im currently in a muliplayer gfb playthrough and default dash has been more than enough for me

[drowsy plank]

omg yeah i forgot default dash exists

you can 100% use this with that

[glass arch]

i havent put on a dash accessory at all the entire playthrough

[fervent orbit]

also doesnt the fact it giving dash velocity make it even better for not using a dash accessory

[drowsy plank]

in fact this is probably less true for the dash accessories than the wing accessories now bc of that lmfao

[small timber]

you can basically just delete the "add defense" part yes

[kindred creek]

there, no longer a reversion

[kindred creek]

unflag it please

[glass arch]

this sugg just doesn't work imo

its a dash buffing accessory

aka it makes the dashes you already have better

[kindred creek]

changed.

[glass arch]

(plus theres like 4 dash accessories unlocked like right before leviana)

[drowsy plank]

can you please remove "The problem with this is that it is an accessory that relies on another accessory to be useful." at least because this is still just wrong, also you're also ignoring ninja belt which is not a dodge, and scarfs have a cooldown so there are definetly still times where you are not "immortal"

[sand marlin]

Base dash doesn't really work with dash accs(that aren't dashes themselves*)
Other than that, yeah accessories with flight time are also dependent on others so that's not a good point

I don't really know how the dash velocity boosts do in general I have never used them and probably never will but I can say for sure base dash isn't what you use them with

5% of 1 velocity rounds back down anyway

[kindred creek]

No. You and I simply disagree on this.

[sand marlin]

He's not against you lmao if your sugg got sent it would very much lose points because of your wrong reasoning so he's tryna help you

[kindred creek]

Fair point

[small timber]

iirc the dash become better with better movement speed/wings or something

like on drew's wing it give you a dash similar to evasion scarf somehow, I don't know how it works but on say scal/exo you definitely can not use dash and just use the base dash yes

[kindred creek]

So the issue is that without another accessory to support it it’s significantly worse.

[small timber]

the issue is not that it need another accessory to support it

for obvious reason flight time need wings to function, dash stat need dash to function
and flight time is not "problematic", not even close, and dash in calamity is basically the same status of being nearly mandatory as wings

[glass arch]

accessories getting better with other accessories is normal

[small timber]

the issue is that leviathan ambergis give a very awkward effect that is either only useful through abuse (eg: dashing across a worm) OR provide a very situational effect (eg: DR during dash only)

because for this type of accessory, there is no way you make it impactful by small amount of dash as otherwise ram strategy will be OP as fuck
but make it low impact then why are you using it

[sand marlin]

I don't really understand the defensive bonuses on dash boosting accs
Are they just "extras" without much meaning and only proc in like very niche situations where you dash towards a damage source? I can't really see why dashing would be paired with getting hit at the same time

Having those extras as gimmicks don't sound bad as long as the velocity part is its main function

[fervent orbit]

im trying to say something but dont know exactly how to say it

[sand marlin]

Also I just noticed

it is very evident that the 15% dash velocity is almost negligible besides for the base dash
Uh do you do math

It's the other way around

Useless for base dash, more useful for bigger dashes

[kindred creek]

Yeah, I know

[novel belfry]

its really weird that dash boosting accessories are now being a thing

[grim tusk]

What even is this sugg

[sand marlin]

In essence it looks like a "buff or rework" thing

[grim tusk]

Unsure to flag this for balance sugg

Wait it doesnt apply cuz its an accessory not a weapon

[sand marlin]

Yeah

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell thoughts? Me and Cog are unsure

[fervent orbit]

quick question

are rams based on distance or frames

asking here because smart people and its kinda relevant to the new acc changes with dash velocity

[hollow shell]

I was under the impression that the thread was primarily meant for weapon balancing, which can be more empirically measured via boss kill times and DPS

I dunno, I'm probably not the best person to ask either, I don't frequent that thread
Ozz rules there

[frosty trellis]

I mean I slap accessory balance in there as well that's what I did for VoE

[grim tusk]

.

If it was a weapon I would have flagged it already

[frosty trellis]

I think Ambergis needs way more of just an overall look over rather than a buff the effect it provides is basically unless overpowered, is completely pointless and borderline useless and is a massive fucking downgrade compared to the previous Ambergis

[grim tusk]

But something feels wrong

[glass arch]

if it was just asking for a rework it would be fine but the buff part definitely feels wrong

[fervent orbit]

also its said that the accessory is useless for both base dash and other dash accs which isnt true? the dr during dash gives a defensive use to the base dash and other dashes that arent rams (mainly scarf and mng), and then also says that dash velocity is a useless stat even though it largely benefits mng since it already has quite the large dash

[frosty trellis]

The effects are just too small

[sand marlin]

Noob base dash is a singular frame you can't use it for any dash effects

[frosty trellis]

Why 5% DR in a dash when 10% DR from worm scarf

[glass arch]

frame perfect timings :trollage:

[sand marlin]

Terraria Kaizo

[frosty trellis]

And even for shit like Void Sash I never wanted more velocity pretty sure more velocity would cause less scythes to spawn anyways so it's an anti synergy to part of that line

[sand marlin]

That's a weird thing to find anti synergy for

Tbh

You wouldn't usually worry about the scythes when its main functionality is the big dash

[random talon]

Wulfrum Acrobatics Pack has always been somewhat obscure

[visual jackal]

obscure?

[random talon]

idk, I don't see anyone use it

like, ever

[frosty trellis]

But the core issue is that the effects are too small and replaceable by better accessories so there just isn't a point

And dash velocity generally isn't all that useful it might as well be just the most niche thing

[sand marlin]

It's pretty cool and can be used for great effect but it's kind of hard to use

[frosty trellis]

Acro Pack has the g.end bug

Well, "bug"

[visual jackal]

?

[random talon]

?

[sand marlin]

Momentum Capacitor 2.0

[frosty trellis]

Acro Pack + G.End = Lol movement speed

[visual jackal]

I always use the acro pack, it's better than regular hooks early-game, and even late-game, it stands out

[frosty trellis]

(3k mph)

[random talon]

jesus christ

[sand marlin]

It changes the hook mechanic to something else entirely so not a good idea to compare each other

[visual jackal]

thats also why it should just go in the hook slot to begin with

[frosty trellis]

Acro Pack has it's uses

And is unique

[random talon]

I think it's just not worth the accessory slot

[frosty trellis]

Ambergis isn't really unique and it's effects are outclased at that stage

[frosty trellis]

It is lol some people really like it

[random talon]

ok

[frosty trellis]

And no it isn't gonna be in a hook slot pretty sure it's range is based on the hook equipped

[sand marlin]

Yeah it gets even longer

I do agree the dash boosting accs need some touchups

[frosty trellis]

Ambergis just needs a overhaul

[visual jackal]

oh i didnt think the equipped hook actually affected it in any way

[novel belfry]

this is a situation where saying something should be reverted to a prior version doesn't sound that idiotic

[sand marlin]

Nah old ambergris is an incredibly boring stat stick

[frosty trellis]

It was also just Broken

Like flat out it was overpowered

[sand marlin]

Current isn't great either but neither is what's needed

[fervent orbit]

yea but it isnt the best solution either

[frosty trellis]

Current just doesn't really do anything and is completely outclaased

And probably just need to not be a dash accessory

Because it's effects basically need to be tuned up to be overpowered to be worth using over other shit

[novel belfry]

why is there so many dash boosting accessories recently?

[fervent orbit]

increase variety in mobility building

[novel belfry]

and why is the only one that's not mid Slagsplitter Pauldron?

[sand marlin]

Huh

[frosty trellis]

Armor crunch if I had to guess

[sand marlin]

Slagsplitter is just Ambergris without velocity isn't it

[fervent orbit]

slagsplitter has the spark and explosion

[frosty trellis]

That inflicts armor crunch, a very useful debuff

That you can capitalize on if you're good

[fervent orbit]

does it?

[sand marlin]

I don't see armor crunch?

[frosty trellis]

Oh huh

Swore I saw an armor crunch

Weirdge

Brimstone Flames and Hellfire though

[small timber]

And also i thought it insta kill destroyer or something with ornate shield

Tldr worms again

[fervent orbit]

that is -45 dps in just debuffs

[sand marlin]

Speaking of which, Ambergris wiki page is outdated

[novel belfry]

yup

its still the old stats

[small timber]

Wiki: Reworking Leviathan Ambergis into 2.0.3.002 The Sponge

[sand marlin]

I guess that's some good damage with ram viable bosses

[small timber]

Can someone test if slagsplitter still delete worms?

[sand marlin]

Still? When was this item added

I thought it was like previous patch

[small timber]

Or does it have an actual cooldown like it is supposed to be now

Yes, and there was a hotfix patch today

[fervent orbit]

on the 2.0.3.006 page

[small timber]

Ok I cant find the clip anymore, not by me

Tldr if you summoned destroyer while coiled, and ram the coil with ornate shield + slagsplitter destroyer kind of just dies in 0.5 seconds after causing a 10 seconds lag

Which is why it is worth checking if slagsplitter still does it

[novel belfry]

LOL

once again, Destroyer gets fucking destroyed for the 999999999999999th time

[modern rapids]

does it ignore dr

[novel belfry]

first the daedalus stormbow, then the avalanche (which just by nature melts destroyer no matter what)

and now a accessory that literally just buffs dashes ends up... doing that?

[gaunt needle]

worm bosses when explosion

[sand marlin]

No

Just typeless damage, which means unaffected by class specific damage

[eternal escarp]

@harsh edge youll need a better reason for your suggestion to be valid, "it'd be cool" isnt enough

[golden tulip]

i do not think there is a feasible way to make such a block look like anything but an abomination

also, wulfrum acrobatics pack can not be put in a grappling hook slot on purpose for balancing reasons

[flint notch]

Not without mixels

[golden tulip]

also also, i like reworked leviathan ambergis because it is no longer a lame stat stick and actually affects something other than dmg or defense like every other accessory

[wide river]

[drowsy plank]

"rework"

[glass arch]

this has reminded me about that old biofusillade rework suggestion i wanted to do a while back

[fervent orbit]

" Its main characteristic is that its one of the oldest items in the mod"

🛞

fuck

[wide river]

Wheel

[glass arch]

im not wrong

[fervent orbit]

ive used :whee for so many times in other servers that i forgot its not automatically the top in calmain

probably because calmain isnt funny in the first place

[buoyant idol]

Ngl Biofusillade's projectile spam is mildly interesting from sheer fire rate alone. Add shaders and suddenly it's a fan favorite.

[spark ravine]

you know what, alpha ray with modern effects would go hard

[frosty trellis]

Alpha Ray is planned for a rework already

[spark ravine]

thank you for the information, funny balance tester guy

[frosty trellis]

(I am not a cal tester but yw)

[worldly sparrow]

yeah mpg is shrimply a gamer

[spark ravine]

sry, I just figured you were a tester cause I always see you talking about balance in concerningly high detail

[frosty trellis]

Nah I'm just a balance nerd

I don't have a dev role for a reason

[spark ravine]

lol

[frosty trellis]

I have my toes deep into a lot of things regarding balance but I never directly contribute too it just give opinions on the matter

[wide river]

You're not the first person to think that

[blazing trout]

are there any plans to rework the frost bolt line up until tears of heaven. subsuming vortex is cool but otherwise most of the progression is jsut really underwhelming. Same wiht the vivid clarity line but theres kind of a suggestion about that already.

[crude geode]

Probably not

Should be fine to suggest about it

[blazing trout]

cool thanks 🔥

[crude geode]

Np

👍

(That or there is, and it’s buried underneath all the other dev plans but like ¯_(ツ)_/¯ )

[onyx osprey]

ambergris needs something else going for it, I can't imagine using a slot just for that

what if dashing made you launch a boulder in the direction of travel (not as gigantic as the ones leviathan chucks at you obv)

[left hawk]

What do you mean, massive boulder 10x the player's height in diameter sounds perfectly fun and balanced

[onyx osprey]

then it directly connects to the boss

presumably leviathan regurgitates the boulders so the accessory lets you do that too, and you 'dash' to sort of knock it loose and actually hurl it

[left hawk]

presumably leviathan regurgitates the boulders
Does this guy have the entire Distortion in its stomach how else would it have like 300 giant boulders almost as tall as it is to vomit up at any given point

[onyx osprey]

"rule of cool" I guess

[buoyant idol]

Steals them from Sisyphus

[slow hound]

the leviathan boulders are hairballs

[onyx osprey]

point is, it would give the accessory something unique and it could be at least somewhat useful

I envision the boulders doing quite some damage since it would be somewhat hard to aim

idk maybe this idea sucks, just spitballing

[left hawk]

Dashes that shoot projectiles sounds like a neat idea, honestly that's how I wish Volatile Gelatin worked, like a crystal assassin dash that shoots bouncy things in front of you

I mean it is volatile gelatin so it would make sense if it burst out as a result of sudden movements

[golden sonnet]

If you check her GFB drops you can clearly see that she just has a stack of boulders in her inventory

[left hawk]

[onyx osprey]

I don't actually know if that's how it works, but the boulders are fired from its face so, 2+2

[lucid marsh]

Aren't the scorched remains one of those kinds of blocks that makes grass automatically on the topmost layer of the texture?

[onyx osprey]

I didn't know the crag even had natural plants, no reason to not show that off more

[small timber]

Reworking an entirely line of weapon likely is considered too high effort

There is a significant different between suggesting to rework a single specific weapon

And an entirely expansion of weapon line

[blazing trout]

oh, thats true yeah

ok uh ill go with like, frost bolt then

[slow hound]

nope

The only way to get the grass on fresh blocks (without it just spreading) is through cinder blossom seeds

which are a fairly rare drop

[lucid marsh]

Ah

Oh right I remember now

[blazing trout]

alr how is it now

[crude geode]

I would probably mention how it’s mostly just a copy of waterbolt, and doesn’t change until halfway down the line

[small timber]

Probably ok yeah, though both fire and frost bolt are candidate for rework

The entire water bolt line is just a bit weird, it have a lot of duplicated weapons basically, just as a suggestion you cant really suggest reworking an entirely kine

Probably can add that it is functionally similar to flare bolt (I havent use it for a long time to know if this is still true)

[blazing trout]

ok changed it

[novel belfry]

This is exactly my problem with most dash-extending accessories, they need to be worth using up a slot
cause otherwise why would you get longer dashes when you could use that slot for, say, the Abaddon which is somehow now actually good

[weak lily]

Still waiting.

[distant gyro]

what does this mean

[weak lily]

It is not in the game.

[distant gyro]

it literally is

[weak lily]

Oh.

[distant gyro]

has been for months

[weak lily]

I am an idiot then.

[distant gyro]

the name of the suggestion is misleading though

[weak lily]

?

[distant gyro]

celestial and seraph got swapped

[weak lily]

It was before.

[distant gyro]

at the time, celestial tracers refer to seraph tracers (the post-yharon boots)

[weak lily]

I know, I made it.

I mean as in I made the suggestion.

[distant gyro]

idk what you were waiting for then

the final boots has had auric/astral ore immunity for 6 updates

[weak lily]

Oof.

[cobalt pewter]

Ambergris does feel like not really levi thing ig?

[golden sonnet]

He literally does the water effect dash

wdym

[cobalt pewter]

I can't say about the DR (though it's probably ass idk), but I think the dash should be slow (so no velocity boost or even velocity reduction) but far (increased distance) so that the DR gets a bit more uptime

[crude geode]

@stark locust this is a don't

[stark locust]

oh mb

[crude geode]

you're good

[grave zinc]

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Baby Boomer's idle behavior more natural]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

[wintry gale]

Oh that was fast

[regal willow]

[fallen parcel]

Could someone tell me or send me where I can see the dont's for the suggestions?

[glass arch]

[fallen parcel]

Alr thanks I am slow so I needed this lmao

[glass arch]

merchant doesnt sell wormholes anymore does he...?

oh never mind i guess he does

anyways yeah this is just shimmer duping

[drowsy plank]

arent shimmer pot decrafts bugged to always return full odds in cal

[sand marlin]

I mean technically bugged

I'd say it's more like vanilla's nerf to pot decrafts are gone for whatever reason

Nm that's the same thing

@drowsy plank you can flag this it's effectively an overlook

Cal will just need to readd vanilla's nerf

[drowsy plank]

yeah true

@light verge this is technically a bug because potions aren't supposed to give 100% returns when shimmered so you should be losing money but for some reason they're bugged and they do

[sand marlin]

I almost also pinged

[drowsy plank]

you can technically get infinite wormholes by using an alchemy table with this so that is probably a bigger issue as well

[sand marlin]

We duped like every single pot in gfb mp

[gritty acorn]

is #suggestions-posting message goog

[wide river]

I assume you want a proper number to go with the "pie chart" we've got at the moment

[gritty acorn]

yea

cuz when a long cooldown is about to end it feels like its stuck at 99%

[bright crag]

Ngl this Wormhole Potion trick is really funny

[onyx osprey]

it could be made configurable; just pie chart, just number, both pie chart and number

[light verge]

That makes sense now. Thanks for the answer!

[frosty trellis]

Yeah
But
It can also be used
To get infinite lifeforce

Which is a tad bit more expensive

Or rage/wrath

[bright crag]

Yeah
I'm not in favor of it :p

[worldly sparrow]

crazy how this is already in the mod

[drowsy plank]

@left hawk this is a hardcoded vanilla issue, and you can summon golem, just use the old power cell

that is the work around

[ashen warren]

I don't see why it couldn't be changed to work

[left hawk]

The wiki explicitly states the Old Power Cell doesn't work until post-Plantera is that a wiki issue? Actually let me go check that real quick if so I'll put it in #wiki-discussion

Yeah Old Power Cell does not work pre-Plantera @drowsy plank

Just checked

[crude geode]

Sounds like a bug

[left hawk]

Player holds it up and it does nothing

[wide river]

Are you in the Jungle Temple?

[left hawk]

Yes

It's not doing anything

[wide river]

I also don't see where it says this
It says "Unlike Lihzahrd Power Cells, the Old Power Cell is not usable at a Lihzahrd Altar and can be used before Plantera has been defeated." and "Using a normal Lihzahrd Power Cell at the Lihzahrd Altar before Plantera is defeated will not summon Golem, meaning that these items are required to summon it if the Temple Key was crafted early."

[spark ravine]

you have to stand right next to the altar, else it does nothing

[left hawk]

Spawn
Golem does not spawn on its own, instead, it is summoned by either right-clicking the Lihzahrd Altar located in the Jungle Temple with a Lihzahrd Power Cell or using a Old Power Cell anywhere in the Jungle Temple after Plantera has been defeated.

On the page for Golem

[wide river]

Then there's conflicting info here, one of the two pages is incorrect

[spark ravine]

ye just tested it, old power cell works pre-planters

[left hawk]

OMG TYSM!! I had to be like literally within 10 blocks of the altar otherwise it wouldn't work. I'll delete my suggestion and mention this info in #wiki-discussion instead.

[spark ravine]

np

[fervent dove]

so i posted on the advanced world gen mod guys page, does he specifically need to contact the devs or would making a post with like this screenshot help at all? i know i don't think i can try to post again for another 2 weeks assuming i understood the rules right.

[drowsy plank]

yes he should just contact the devs and the two could work together on fixing the issue

[fervent dove]

welp guess my big world hopes probably die there then.

[regal willow]

rip

[ancient crow]

the pin in #suggestions-voting says that the bot grabs suggestions on friday at 6:00am UTC, and then there's a discord variable timestamp that says it's the same as 1:00am in my time zone

first of all, 6am UTC is 2am EST, so that's straight up incorrect

[golden sonnet]

Daylight savings time

America moment

[ancient crow]

more importantly, from what i've seen over the past few weeks, that's not actually when the bot does it's thing anyway

all the "your sugg has been sent on to the devs" posts come through at 8pm on my end

[glass arch]

the bot has got several reboots so im assuming its just because of that

[ancient crow]

yeah that's likely

i just think the pin ought to be updated

[slow hound]

I'm not sure if this would be a cal suggestion over just something for a seperate mod

Do any cal bosses even spawn naturally?

[wide river]

I think Aquatic Scourge is the only Calamity boss who can spawn completely outside of the player's control, all the others require some level of interaction from the player thus making it their fault that it spawns

(And even then you can still just, not attack it)

[whole tundra]

@gloomy mason This basically has no use considering there's pretty sure only 3 bosses that spawn naturally, King Slime and Leviathan and Anahita. For LaA, there's already an item for it. For King Slime, its extremely rare and he only spawns in the outhers parts of the world. Aquatic Scourge doesn't attack you if you dont attack it, which means you can coexist with it.

[slow hound]

EoC and the mech bosses spawn naturally

[whole tundra]

(Idk if that sounded a bit rude or not)

[whole tundra]

Oh yeah

[gloomy mason]

yeah but like also mech bosses eye

[whole tundra]

Cosmolight however

[small timber]

Yes, and all can be avoided by going underground

[slow hound]

leaving and rejoining also works

to despawn them

[small timber]

The other is like polterghast, and I dont remember if there are anymore

Leviathan of course you can just craft the item

[whole tundra]

That's not really natural for polter

[glass arch]

polter is there and its a bit annoying

[small timber]

You can avoid mech boss by going underground

Polter you can essily despawn with potion of return

If you are playing a "minimum boss playthrough" surely you can be bothered with despawning bosses

[frosty trellis]

I mean

There is also

"Save and Exit"

[small timber]

And of course a suggestion that is literally based on a completely self imposed challenge, on an idea that is already super limited to the point of almost only vanilla bosses that can all be despawned/avoided without quitting the game, does not make the suggestion look good

[frosty trellis]

Despawns all hostile npc's

[gloomy mason]

the example i gave is minimum bosses and you dont need dungeon in min bosses

[wide river]

Even disregarding all the counters that can be made, this suggestion does still lack reasoning so it's incredibly unlikely to be implemented

[small timber]

The fact that you have to give minimum boss playthrough as the main example/reason for the suggestion makes it way worse

[gloomy mason]

oh ik

[gloomy mason]

honestly true i resign from the argument

still think it would be cool

[modern rapids]

the most important part of low% is getting interrupted by eoc and mechs 20 nights in a row

[small timber]

Cal generally do not cater towards self imposed challenges, this generally applies to suggestion too

[gloomy mason]

wworst thing is hive cyst wwhen using extra enemy spawns

[modern rapids]

what are you even doing in the corruption

[gloomy mason]

fucking moving?????

sorry if i sound aggresive ever btww

[small timber]

Because just as you suggest to not make boss naturally spawn for min boss playthrough, it can be just as easily for someone to suggest making an easter egg to make every single item in the game droppable from random on tier enemy at 0.001% chance to make no crafting playthrough easier

[umbral gazelle]

theres a thing that block the cyst from spawn iirc

[modern rapids]

^

[slow hound]

Would low% go straight from ml to yharon?
Since you can technically make his summon at the start of post-ml

And he's the only one you need done to fight scal

[gloomy mason]

nah you need to kill dog no?

[small timber]

Therefore most of the time any suggestion with self imposed challenge as the main reasoning genrally get shutted down

[slow hound]

Yharon gives auric

iirc

which is the only thing needed for the altar (asides from regular mats)

unless they changed it

[gloomy mason]

also its a really fun challenge i suggest everyone tries it

[golden sonnet]

No, DoG is needed

[umbral gazelle]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Anti-Tumor_Ointment

[gloomy mason]

isnt there something you need for yharon summon like cosmilite or ascendant spirit essance

[slow hound]

nope

[umbral gazelle]

its still seem weird that theres a counterpart for no reason....

[slow hound]

phoenix egg is just life alloy and effulgent feathers

[golden sonnet]

DoG is still needed for exos

[slow hound]

is the goal for low% exos or scal?

[gloomy mason]

exos are optional for clam

[golden sonnet]

Both

[gloomy mason]

clam

at least for me

[golden sonnet]

No, both are needed for low%

[slow hound]

so no dog

Unless you're using the Official Low% Rules

ml to dog is still cancer either way though lmao

[golden sonnet]

Both are needed for low%, you are not considered endgame unless both are dead. Hence why RoH and demonshade are post both

[slow hound]

ah true

[gloomy mason]

im doing it with my friend and not as a speedrun so we make our own rules(not to be aggresive)

[gloomy mason]

its really not too bad

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, ofc play how you want, but it's not really low% then, it's just SCal

[gloomy mason]

tbh low% SCal is not too bad

[umbral gazelle]

what do you guys think if i make a suggestion to merge anti-cyst ointment and anti-tumor ointment

[golden sonnet]

I think that's reasonable

[umbral gazelle]

mhmm

[gloomy mason]

but like why?

maybe a get fixed boy thing ig

like acctually

ohhh

you mean like make them the same thing

[golden sonnet]

Only 8 bosses, 9 if not using bugs

[gloomy mason]

i thought a merging of them

[gloomy mason]

yes

[golden sonnet]

Yes, a single item that does both

[gloomy mason]

i thought they meant that make an item thats a fusion

[umbral gazelle]

yes, remove one of them and make the other affect both hive mind and perforator

[gloomy mason]

wwhat bugs?

[slow hound]

Wouldnt eidolon tablet make it less?

[gloomy mason]

fr

thats wwhat i used

[golden sonnet]

No, 9 is the minimum for low% with eidolon

[golden sonnet]

Crates giving HM ore skip

[slow hound]

not sure when the tablet drops but if its the start of hardmode progression would be

wof->lc->ml->yharon->scal

At least for what rucknes is doing

[gloomy mason]

i mean you could just press that neat lil button called ''hardmode progression skip''

[gloomy mason]

you need clam clone to get tablet

[slow hound]

Ah there it is

[golden sonnet]

You skipped ravager, clam clone, DoG

[gloomy mason]

• you need life alloy so ravager added

[golden sonnet]

And for the ashes to even summon cal

[gloomy mason]

true

[slow hound]

true true

mb

[slow hound]

plantera too then

[gloomy mason]

nope

[golden sonnet]

Plant is not needed

[gloomy mason]

wwhy would you need her?

[slow hound]

They changed ectoplasm?

for the cores

[golden sonnet]

At this point I'll just post the route

[gloomy mason]

ravager drops cores and as a + you can get ectoplasm from shimmering 3 of any core

[slow hound]

8 it is

[gloomy mason]

yup

[golden sonnet]

For SCal only, 1 boss total with major bugs, 8 with minor bugs, 9 with no bugs

[gloomy mason]

what bugs for the 8

[slow hound]

they should make yharim summon pre-boss to bolster player freedom

[golden sonnet]

I already explained, ore form crates. Turning off the intended progression is not standard and really only exists for mod compatibility

[gloomy mason]

oh also the polterplasm is obtainable from overloaded soldiers found in the underground layer of the world

[gloomy mason]

not really a glitch

[golden sonnet]

Getting ore form crates pre mech is a bug

Regardless, we should move from this channel as it hasn't been relevant for awhile

[gloomy mason]

also what bug for the 1 boss?

yeah

lets go to #calamity-mod-talk

[golden sonnet]

You need to kill 1 mech for mythril

[gloomy mason]

2 boss then

im counting scal

[golden sonnet]

Oh, that's what you meant

Using transmutation it's only one boss as you can spawn any item in the game

[gloomy mason]

lets move channels

#calamity-mod-talk

[bright crag]

This really doesn't seem necessary
@gloomy mason Your suggestion would need more reasoning
Though I'm not sure there's any reasoning to have considering you can just Save & Exit whenever you want

[gloomy mason]

Yeah but sometimes since i always play summoner a summon spawns a boss and well yeah

[bright crag]

I'm pretty sure summons don't target boss spawners naturally?

[gloomy mason]

Summons can touch and murder them tho

[bright crag]

Yeah, but how often is that realistically a problem
In normal conditions

[gaunt needle]

any time you fight endgame boss and eye of cthulhu decides to spawn

[gloomy mason]

Fr

[bright crag]

Also
There isn't another way of summoning Anahita without killing the ??? creature
And the spawner item for Hive Mind and Perforator Hive ars only available after the bosses

So they'd need changes to their non-natural spawns too

[golden tulip]

saving & exiting is a very band-aid fix

its just exploiting game mechanics in a very intrusive matter

[wintry gale]

Me when spawnblockers

[bright crag]

Oh yeah there's also that

[bright crag]

Better to use an existing mechanic whose purpose is to let you quit the game at any time, than add yet another config for a problem that doesn't need to be a problem

[wintry gale]

Would be more logical to make bosses not spawn naturally after first kill considering the already existing amount of bosses that follow this logic

[crude geode]

That wouldn’t help this problem

[wintry gale]

Ik

Its just a thought

[golden tulip]

oh yea im not trying to argue that natural spawns are so annoying that they need to add a config to turn it off. im just saying, if you ARE arguing against that, saving and exiting really isnt the solution

[golden tulip]

this would be a good first step in my opinion

[buoyant idol]

Hide underground when seeing the message moment

[lavish condor]

save & exit moment

[golden tulip]

...

[wintry gale]

im gonna save this message for the rest of my life

[golden tulip]

yes

damn

:(

[fervent orbit]

fuck you

[golden tulip]

how

does it require https?

[fervent orbit]

it needs to be a hyperlink

[golden tulip]

hm

[wide river]

wikipedia.com won't work, but https:// wikipedia.com (without the space of course) will

[golden tulip]

ic

[wintry gale]

That was Calamitous

[kindred ledge]

um are weapon suggestions too far fetched of an idea? or should i hold back on my ideas?

[wide river]

They're less "far-fetched" and more of "generally too much effort"
You can suggest weapons, but they can't be too specific otherwise they're unlikely to be accepted

[kindred ledge]

ah

il come up with less complicated ideas

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, be somewhat broad with your descriptions of proposed items

[wide river]

As a general example:
You can suggest "Add more of x weapon type"
You can't suggest "Add a weapon with y function and z crafting recipe"
Sometimes you can specify the function a little bit if it helps your reasoning, but never delve too far into that

[worldly sparrow]

(if you are suggesting "add more of x weapon type" don't lean too hard into the subclass argument, it's generally frowned upon)

[wintry gale]

i guess suggest something as summon that consumes arrows is way too much, right?

[wide river]

You could possibly suggest "add more summons that consume ammo", but specifying arrows might make it too specific

[wintry gale]

okay

[wide river]

Although, it might be a better idea to suggest something closer to "add more summons with unique functions", and provide ammo-using as an idea, rather than what you believe should happen

[worldly sparrow]

true

be broad

[wintry gale]

yeah
would be something way too much arrogant think that something specifically suggested by me being added

also
i guess the ammo consumption thing is already a unique trait of CVE line

[wintry gale]

replicating it too another summons would make it less unique and more "oh, it uses ammo, ok."

just like what i saw a while ago of someone suggesting more biome gimmick weapons

[kindred ledge]

so this is a broad item so like this? Astra shield. kind of like the shield of cthulu and after dashing leaves behind abunch of astral monoliths . or is it too specific? this is just a concept

[wintry gale]

too specific

[north oracle]

Wayyyy too specific

[wide river]

I think you could suggest an upgrade to the Shield of Cthulhu, but making it delve into function and name do make it a bit more specific than is necessary

[wintry gale]

hi fluffly

[golden sonnet]

that already exists though

high ruler

[north oracle]

True!

[north oracle]

Hello

[wide river]

You could argue that the bonk-type dash is largely neglected as it's swiftly outclassed by dodge-type dashes and ram-type dashes, and that there are a variety of effects that it could have to warrant its usage

It would have to properly incentivize the player for actually bonking into the enemy, be it extreme damage or some extra effect that warrants being that close

[wintry gale]

interesting how people can sometimes argue on another people's suggestion more than the people itself

[kindred ledge]

ok so like godslayer inferno astral injection and astral infection but probably not godslayer inferno tho

[wide river]

I'm moreso saying that you get two bonk-type dashes throughout the entire game: One from Eye of Cthulhu and one after Golem
Both of them function essentially identically, with Shield of the High Ruler (the post-Golem one) having some extra effects to be a viable option against Master Ninja Gear and Asgard's Valor, two dashes on the same tier

[novel belfry]

quick question, what's the lore reason why Providence is stronger at night (and also why does she afflict Nightwither, which is a cold based debuff, if she ate the auric soul of a flame dragon?)

[wide river]

We don't know yet iirc

[modern rapids]

no idea
but the writers say they have plans for it

[golden sonnet]

closest thing i could find #lore-discussion message

[kindred ledge]

anyways as you were saying?

[wide river]

Oh, I was typing something up but it felt unnecessary to say

Byeah
You could ask for more bonk-type dashes if you want

[kindred ledge]

well also i think there should be more astral infection items like accesorys weapons armor and other stuff like that

[modern rapids]

we already have astral rogue armour

[kindred ledge]

oh

well then no rouge armors

but still it seems like the astral infection right now is like a pushover biome because of the kindoff lack of items

[golden sonnet]

I mean, it has astrum aureus drops, the enemy drops that aureus unlocks, the deus drops, the drops crafted with astral bars, and the items there by default