suggestions-discussion

[novel belfry]

im glad its just reduced to two optional boosted forms of two bosses

[frosty trellis]

I am not venting about infernum as a whole I am just saying that the whole thing for giving non-cosmetic drops for a difficulty upgrade whether that is a mode change or an optional challenge isn't necessary and not great game design

Infernum death wishes does this, Malice did it, both sucked, malice more so than infernum but they both sucked

[north oracle]

I do feel like there’s inherent flaws in BCS, especially with Infernum adding several desperation phases

But you’re right, if it’s nerfed there’s just no point… I almost wish it could be a more vanity focused item, then it wouldn’t be in the situation it’s in. Too late for that though lol

[ruby plover]

its not not great game design

you specifically said you yourself hate it

[small timber]

the later is literally what GFB is and people complained about it a lot less
(except for a few like Plantera because people try to nohit it or something)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah because GFB is intended to be a meme

[ruby plover]

challenge drops can be done well, and they are a nice idea

and thats my opinion because like

its not a bad game design idea

anyhoo

infernum drops will be nerfed as we see fit

so if they dont change, ruh oh

[frosty trellis]

Sea Locket just needs to not be hotswappable

[novel belfry]

Get Fixed Boi is different because
a) it's a secret seed, albeit the ultimate secret seed
b) vanilla gfb was absolutely absurdly crazy stupid
with those two in mind, by the time Calamity went to 1.4.4, people pretty much understood that GFB is a stupid difficult mode, so if you type out getfixedboi on your seed, you're probably expecting stupid shit to happen

[frosty trellis]

As its' even easier to do that now thanks to loadout swapping

[ruby plover]

i feel like its kinda hard to balance around loadout swapping

as it stands you can go from hyper offense to hyper defense on a dime whenever you like

[novel belfry]

also speaking of gfb i actually like the funny extra boss drops

it's how i discovered that alchemist flask really rocks hard

[north oracle]

It also allows prehardmode wither blossoms

[small timber]

which is the problem, Malice didn't get advertised as another stupid difficulty

no part of "enrage a boss" sounds like it will be a normal fight
but it is advertised as a normal fight but just harder

but yeah, malice is not coming back so probably no point for it

[novel belfry]

alright let's end it off there

[small timber]

also what is Infernum BCS do again?

[north oracle]

Damn, the suggestion can be instantly deleted and people will still talk about it for hours

[ruby plover]

brimstone crescent staff

i fgror

[hollow shell]

indeed I was just boutta say that we don't need to be talking about this anymore

[frosty trellis]

Sea Locket is broken because back when it was introduced you could hotswap it to refresh the hit cooldown so you could have perma Sea Locket ADR

Just make it so swapping it off starts the 90 second cd or however long it is before you can take 2 hits with massively reduced DR

It was already more than possible with just normal hotswapping and summoner it's just easier and braindead now for all classes

[hollow shell]

The convo is either about Malice or Infernum and neither are relevant to this server's sugg channels

[north oracle]

Toggle 66% ADR for 3 hits in exchange for 66% of your damage for 15 seconds

iirc

[frosty trellis]

Which

Is

Really good for all the desperation phases infernum has

[ruby plover]

like i said! inherently broken

[wide river]

(Working on a suggestion to hopefully get this chat back on track)
(Just gotta finish it up)

[ruby plover]

and like rover said

can we stop now please

[north oracle]

Anyway, rover said move on
So move on

[north oracle]

Enchilada suggestion

[wide river]

There's another one I have waiting but it's gonna have to wait a few days because it conflicts with another suggestion

[ruby plover]

i think carnage was moved to WoF because of malice, right?

[wide river]

I believe so yes

[hollow shell]

It used to be a post-Skele blood moon drop. RIV of Bloody Edge

[wide river]

Though I also remember hearing a dev or two saying that they wanted the old Legendaries to have unique obtainment methods

So I guess moving one to an event rather than a boss could help with that

[ruby plover]

and the point that breaker blade already exists is there too

[hollow shell]

((Carnage was never a Legendary))

[ruby plover]

ah same thing

probably

[wide river]

Huh

[ruby plover]

blood moon is a boss

[wide river]

Feels like one

[hollow shell]

RIVs and Legendaries became pretty interchangable when Malice came around

[wide river]

That makes sense I suppose

[ruby plover]

either way

breaker blade superiority

[wide river]

So uhhhhh
Does that make this fall under reversion then if it was from a Blood Moon prior or is it different enough

[drowsy plank]

dreadnaut rogue carnage when

[ruby plover]

actually it kinda already looks like a boomerang

[drowsy plank]

LITERALLY

[wide river]

You should resuggest that one suggestion but without Evil Smasher in it

[ruby plover]

honestly carnage going to dread and reworked would be cooler than it being in blood moon for me.,.

ill still vote for this one but man

[wide river]

I suggested moving it to Dreadnautilus in the past, and Cog suggested reworking it
Both failed separately

[ruby plover]

calamity hates fun !!!

well thats not true but that is sad

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
😔

[wide river]

It was more of a matter of the the fact it was stacked up against strong competition, at least on my suggestion's part

[ruby plover]

aw

[wide river]

It did well, but a lot of other stuff did better

[ruby plover]

yeah that is a downside of htis new system

actually its been "new" for surely more than a year now but whatever

[drowsy plank]

wait holy shit that got 165 stars

[hollow shell]

Instantly already got me thinking about cool rework ideas

[ruby plover]

downside is the wrong word

[hollow shell]

Broadsword hell

[ruby plover]

but yeah

[drowsy plank]

@wide river why not just repost that one..,.,..,.

oh well

nvm im blind u do mention the dread idea in it

[hollow shell]

Different enough. You're fine.

[drowsy plank]

cool i am just stupid 👍

[hollow shell]

RIVs don't exist anymore

[wide river]

Ok cool

[hollow shell]

And your reasoning has nothing to do with making it like it was before

[drowsy plank]

this does remind me of how my starmaggeddon sugg got rejected purely based on the title supposedly

[hollow shell]

You had a novel idea thinking about where the item belonged, and it coincidentally lined up with a past instance of it

[wide river]

Might do a bit better this time since it's a bit more broad than the last attempt
We'll have to see though, there's plenty of other good suggestions in this batch too

[ruby plover]

a bit more broad

sword

[wide river]

kek

[ripe owl]

Technically this one's a reversion

However, this has a retier so this should be fine

Or not, idk

[sand marlin]

Pretty sure this was fixed a good while ago already

Around the port

[ashen warren]

I fixed something along those lines, yes

Infernum doesn't attempt to take itself super seriously with balancing it's dev gear

[coral carbon]

omg its Toasty creator of the Tremor mod

[ashen warren]

Original

[fleet flume]

Just how it should be in society, I haven't heard of you. It would be very strange if some random person did. I suppose for creators of popular mods like Tremor there's a bit of an exception.

[ashen warren]

(i did not make tremor)

[grim tusk]

Wait Toasty in CalMain??
(Welcome back!)

[hollow shell]

I don't 100% understand that minion sugg but it seems like the confusion is part of the problem
and I assume that anyone who plays summoner regularly knows this issue intimately

[grim tusk]

You can never go even with replacing minions. Before people complained about not being able to replace em but now people complain about being able to replace em

[ashen warren]

nah im an imposter
(thanks :p)

[hearty yew]

I didn't either, to be clear.

[ashen warren]

i couldnt actually tell you who did tbh

[drowsy plank]

Mr. Tremor, obviously

[hollow shell]

I knew the name at one point

hang on

[ashen warren]

john tremor

[hollow shell]

Zadum4ivii

(and Jofairden)

[hearty yew]

no goddamn way I was going to remember that

[golden tulip]

didnt split devs make tremor

[hollow shell]

no idea

[golden tulip]

im pretty sure they did

[ashen warren]

cant say ive heard of the former at all

[golden tulip]

instrex and dr hummer ring any bells?

[ashen warren]

nope

[golden tulip]

arghhh now i gotta dig deeper

[ashen warren]

i dont really engage in the modded community a whole lot so dont expect me to recognise any :p

[hollow shell]

Neither of those names are on this page
https://tremormod.fandom.com/wiki/Developers

[ashen warren]

what

tremor 2?

[golden tulip]

yea i was just there

wtf

i SWEAR

[hollow shell]

Never got released. We had a link for it in #other-discords for a while

[drowsy plank]

yeah they were doing a tremor remastered
i think
it got discontinued

[ashen warren]

well, i cant say im surprised

[golden tulip]

by searching through the split discord i can confirm dr hummer and instrex were part of the tremor team

[drowsy plank]

maybe the tremor 2 team

before it died

[crude geode]

I don’t think the mere ability to do it is what they’re complaining about, they’re complaining about not being able to override single slot minions with multi slot ones.

The inconsistency argument and all

That said the sugg could probably be more clear in what it wants

Since it’s clear it’s causing confusion

[ashen warren]

i do remember it being a bit funny when i last played summoner, but that was a considerable amount of time ago now

[hollow shell]

Are Flowers of Mortality one of those summon weapons that can only be used once?
Is it possible to have any less than the maximum amount of flowers? i.e. do you summon them one by one or do they all pop up at once?

@civic ruin afaik the mods are already compatible.
But if you want to make official suggestions then you need to follow the proper format you see the other suggestions following. If you don't, the bot can't process it.

[ashen warren]

fargos is making its own compat mod

[hollow shell]

I see

[ashen warren]

its still very early on in development but it should make fargos and calamity work together as best as they can

[grim tusk]

Fargo’s souls dlc revival?

[ashen warren]

effectively ye

[hollow shell]

What are the things that are not compatible between them right now? (I don't think ImmaDev is going to explain themselves)

[ashen warren]

likely ai conflicts etc

[grim tusk]

Ai conflicts
Twinkler bug

(Multilures do not like Twinkler)

[ashen warren]

calamity could technically fix them, but it wouldnt be worth it when this is upcoming

[golden tulip]

eternity x rev/death 😎

[ashen warren]

yes actually

part of the reasons for the cal difficulty system change was so that they can add their own ones to it to allow for picking either of those two options

[golden tulip]

i thought calamity didnt care about other mods tbh but recently they have been doing a lot of stuff with mod calls

[ashen warren]

i asked myself for that one and the venerated locket one

dunno about the others tho

[ripe owl]

Not yet

Hi Toasty

[ashen warren]

helo

[grave zinc]

@bold wave - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the dodge cooldown reset when a boss spawns]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@worldly sparrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Trapper Bulbs]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cosmic karma]

tragic

[bold wave]

Cool beans

[golden sonnet]

thats not even true though

#suggestions-voting message

like?

this passed?

why was trapper bulb specifically denied?

I'm confused

[wide river]

Maybe they were fine with removing Beetle Juice and Murky Paste, but they felt Trapper Bulbs were fine?

[fervent orbit]

theyre probably making trapper bulbs the "hm jungle item"

[drowsy plank]

that's what id imagine yeah

[wide river]

Beetle Juice can definitely die since it only crafts 1 thing now

[wintry gale]

what does this lock means?

[wide river]

The suggestion has been delivered and reviewed by the devs, and is neither approved nor denied. Separate plans that clash have already been made, or a modified version of a suggestion is to be implemented instead.

Basically it's the "Yes but actually no" reaction

[wintry gale]

i see

[wintry gale]

well
i suppose the thumbsup is when the sugg has been accepted, right?

[wide river]

There's a pin here that explains all the reactions in #suggestions-voting pretty well
But yeah, thumbsup means the suggestion has been accepted, but not implemented

[wintry gale]

oh

ok

[worldly sparrow]

fuck

[regal willow]

🫂

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure trapper bulbs are used to lock some recipes to hardmode

[grim tusk]

It means you got devplans.png ed

[wide river]

Portabulb, yea

[hollow shell]

only Portabulb, in fact

[worldly sparrow]

oh

wait so i should just repost it soon but like, with different proposal to change portabulb recipe

[hollow shell]

I can see the value in having at least one material that's exclusive to the Hardmode Jungle
but
Calamity doesn't make much use of that value atm

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, also trapper bulbs just arent the right way to do it imo

because of where they drop from

just trappers

thats it

[drowsy plank]

turn living shards into that

[ashen warren]

it's literally me

[golden tulip]

despite the breaking of rules the guy has a point

[wide river]

I can't really tell what they're asking

[golden tulip]

to stop the sunken sea from flooding half the underground

[ashen warren]

ah

so remove them

[golden sonnet]

I could repost my shell suggestion, but with the sunken sea rework coming, there might already be plans

[golden tulip]

well like he said the idea is good, the execution is not

[golden sonnet]

(for context) #suggestions-voting message

[ashen warren]

it would kind of break the abyss tho

just drain it and everything gets cheesed

[wide river]

@clear osprey Hey sorry but I think this would be an invalid config suggestion
The attached excerpt is from the Suggestion Don'ts Doc in the pins here
So I think you need to remove that config idea you've got

[ashen warren]

sunken sea maybe

[wide river]

There's one with a similar idea in voting at the moment, we can see how this one goes
It seems to be doing well as of now
#suggestions-voting message

[golden tulip]

good point about the rework
any suggestions about the sunken sea will probably get denied because of the upcoming rework

[clear osprey]

I do believe it should be a config because some may want to use them for something, its an interesting mechanic.. but i dont see how it would be controversial considering its results.

But yeah, sunken rework.. Maybe theyll consider it then, so I guess its still good to post it

[golden sonnet]

exactly as explained in the suggestion Don'ts, there is no reason to have a config for something instead of actually adressing the issue, such as by creating a shell around the bottom, like the suggestion already in voting.

[golden tulip]

well you see, because they are already going to rework it according to their own plans, suggestions about it will get denied regardless of how good it is

aka, devplans

[wide river]

Maybe it won't
But chances are it will get denied, or at the very best 🔒'ed

Nothing's inherently wrong with the idea, but there are better ways to solve the issue

[regal willow]

can calamity make it that bubble blocks are available in pre hardmode instead of hardmode in vanilla?
would that be an acceptable suggestion?

[golden tulip]

id say so

[grim tusk]

(Its indeed gonna get hit by devplans iirc)

[fervent orbit]

sunken sea overhaul and all

[golden tulip]

yes thank you noob that was already mentioned multiple times

[fervent orbit]

:c

ok

[wide river]

Not sure why they're Hardmode locked in the first place
Go ahead and suggest it

[regal willow]

ah man I am too lazy

[golden sonnet]

I could write one if you'd like

[regal willow]

thank raesh, the suggestion writer, supreme guide maker

[golden sonnet]

lmao

hmmmm

I'll post what I have, and update with feedback

[wide river]

Maybe mention how their counterpart Grates are obtainable pre-Hardmode?

[golden sonnet]

grates don't really benefit the player though

I just don't think they are super relevent, I could add it though?

idk

[dire lotus]

can we suggest weapons

[golden sonnet]

no

[dire lotus]

fuck

im tryna cook up how to fit a library of ruina weapon into terraria

[golden sonnet]

well, yes but you can't specify much. Something like "add more weapons that utilize _ mechanic" would be valid, while "add a red sword that deals 20 damage" would not

[dire lotus]

but i cant decide on one

actually wait a second i justgot an even better idea

[wide river]

Well unfortunately reference items are banned
Or, you can't suggest items simply for the purpose of being a reference to something, rather

[dire lotus]

okay but hear me out

[north oracle]

You also can’t make specific suggestions that describe the functionality of an item

[dire lotus]

it would be so awesome

it would be so cool

[buoyant idol]

It would be a Don't

[dire lotus]

and also easy to make tbh

alternating between single shot and three burst fire

[wide river]

Sorry, but unfortunately that is insufficient reasoning

[dire lotus]

man

[wide river]

Basically just this, an excerpt from the Suggestion Don'ts doc pinned here (which I highly recommend reading at some point, it's very informative)

(Sorry about the page split I can't control that)

[dire lotus]

though we could use a similar idea, a dual pistol ranged weapon or a ranged weapon that alternates firing methods as you use it

its an interesting concept

[wide river]

At best, you could possibly suggest a dual pistol-type weapon, provided sufficient reasoning
As long as it's not based on a reference or an "it would be cool" reason, it should be a valid idea

[dire lotus]

granted you gotta admit, there is a lot of coolness factor to dual pistols

hm

actually i just got another idea, what if it was a dual set of pistols crafted using two different materials that are normally world exclusive

(Cobalt and Palladium, Mythril and Orichalcum, etc.)

so it encourages finding ways to get both

[wide river]

(This is probably gonna get shot down anyway but I'm doing my best to be positive here)
Recipes can't be specified either, unfortunately

[dire lotus]

haha shot down

[golden sonnet]

(also, calamity makes both sets of ores spawn, so they aren't exclusive)

[dire lotus]

ah

[wide river]

kek

[dire lotus]

well

i might bring this idea to a different mod

[hollow shell]

So uh who's gonna tell @gaunt edge about Pylons

[fervent orbit]

@gaunt edge momentum capacitor

[wide river]

Hmm
I don't think this counts as reversion, as it's not strictly asking for Purity itself to regain that function
Although, AlchemistNPC has potions that teleport you to the exact same places as the Astral Arcanum used to, so you could use those instead (or yeah Pylons)

[gaunt edge]

okay i know the only real useful one is dungeon

but jungle can be useful too

[fervent orbit]

teleporters

[glass arch]

jungle is literally just a pylon

[hollow shell]

The Dungeon is indeed the only location where there is no pre-established teleporter function

There are indeed the wire-based Teleporters though

[glass arch]

dungeon is sulph sea pylon and like 20 seconds of walking if that

[fervent orbit]

honeslty u can just use magic conch and walk a bit

[hollow shell]

Or either one of those yes.

[gaunt edge]

okay now you told me the 3 things i didn't think of in the moment

[hollow shell]

heh

If this sugg is gonna stick around it would probably be best if it was changed into "Add a way to teleport to the Dungeon", considering the Underworld and Jungle are already covered, while Random was the most questionable one anyhow

[frosty trellis]

Sunken Sea if you want to count the pylon not working in mp

[gaunt edge]

nah it is good without the astral arcanum UI now that you told me other solutions

[hollow shell]

Alright

Fair enough

[wide river]

Make it post-Polterghast because of course it would be

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[gaunt edge]

thanks anyways i guess

[hollow shell]

Have a good one

[glass arch]

that is such a nightmarish bug

especially in wfb where we had the nurse and arms dealer down there so we had to move the desert pylon

[wide river]

I remember that
Funny

[novel belfry]

The meld items are notably darker in coloration than pretty much every other calamity item aside from the darksun fragments

and they're supposed to be the rogue version of the lunar fragments, which are named after cosmic phenomenon

why not just call them dark matter

wait, is there actually another item in calamity called dark matter

[wide river]

I mean

[novel belfry]

no that's dark plasma

so its absolutely perfect to just rename meld blobs and related stuff into dark matter

[sleek turret]

what are cv thingies called

[wide river]

Dark Energy

[sleek turret]

oh

[wide river]

Seems like the Meld stuff does seem to be at least vaguely related to stars and the like

What with "Dead Sun's Wind" being the rename of God's Bellows

This reminds me

Since Meld is obviously important enough to keep (the few removal suggestions that have made it to the devs have all been denied), it should have flavor text in its tooltip

[novel belfry]

Rename Meld Blobs/Constructs to Dark Matter Blobs/Constructs

Dark blobs that drop from lunar enemies, and are supposed to be the rogue Lunar Fragments, which are often named after all sorts of cosmic materials and phenomena? It's a perfect opportunity to name them into Dark Matter!

[worldly sparrow]

denied because too similar to dark plasma

probably

[drowsy plank]

what's wrong with meld anyway

[undone holly]

they're gonna get reworked / removed soon, and also too close to dark plasma i'd say

something is gonna change with them eventually at least

[drowsy plank]

dark matter makes me think of both dark plasma and miracle matter, not the meld set

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

• a dark matter item would probably be reserved for like, distortion update

since the distortion currently has ties with the void and by extension dark plasma

[wide river]

Also
https://thoriummod.wiki.gg/wiki/Dark_Matter

That would cause no end of confusion

[worldly sparrow]

literally me when downloading 5 minecraft mods that all add steel bars and trying to figure out which one crafts what i need

[bright crag]

Consdering the recent renames, don't you think we have thought about that possibility :p

We do have some ideas of what to do with Meld

[novel belfry]

well I just think dark matter would be a really neat name

[worldly sparrow]

rename it to mald blob and mald construct

[wide river]

GFB idea

[sleek turret]

mleb bolb and mleb construct

[novel belfry]

Soap, meethe, cald

[bright crag]

Mald Bob

[weak lily]

@pastel crow When will this come in effect?

[north oracle]

just ping a random dev, that's definitely a good way to do it :p

[weak lily]

Best way.

[pastel crow]

Its already in?

[weak lily]

?

It is?

I have not seen it in #changelogs

[drowsy plank]

@brazen minnow that is an issue with DPS meter, not calamity

[fervent orbit]

afaik we cant change vanillas dps meter

[drowsy plank]

also dont super dummies take damage from debuffs anyway?

[fervent orbit]

they do

[drowsy plank]

regardless, why are you even using dummies and DPS meters lmao.,.,.,..,.

it's not like those actually give you any useful information

[ashen warren]

Anything is doable, but this just seems painful and pointless lo

[grim tusk]

just install BetterDmgCalc

also for only dummies? why not all enemies?

but still it'll be painful and pointless

[golden sonnet]

Before I make a suggestion, is it in the devplans.png to remove iframes from a few things? I know devs have mentioned it's a known issue before, but didn't know if there were any plans actually set

[grim tusk]

had to look at shimmer code and it was so much of a pain in the ass that I took an easy way out instead (at least that exploit was fixed)

[grim tusk]

Iframes on what?

[golden sonnet]

notably Tracers and Fabs vodka

[grim tusk]

not in the plans

go ahead

tbh Tracers should indeed lose their iframes

idk about Fab's vodka as that's its niche

if iframes on that are removed then Fab's vodka is worse than regular vodka

[golden sonnet]

I know I've brought it up in #1042197406776827914 and Ozz and others agreed, but unsure if I should mention it there or here

[grim tusk]

im unsure as well

maybe bring it on Balance Suggestions and then I can pass it onto https://discord.com/channels/458428222061936650/920108877125673000

[crude geode]

Unknown

[royal tapir]

That doesn't say Unknown what are you talking about

[crude geode]

[golden sonnet]

done #1042197406776827914 message

[regal willow]

unknown

[frosty trellis]

Not only is this a don't bc no earth elemental in HotE but cosmic elmental doesn't even exist anymore what

@drowsy plank

[drowsy plank]

@zenith wharf please read the rules document, not only is this a Specific Item Suggestion, but adding the other elementals is already a don't, and cosmic elemental has literally been dead for like 3 months

[bright crag]

^

[zenith wharf]

What

It can't be heart of the elements if it doesn't have all the elements

[glass arch]

we do a little evilmaxxing

[bright crag]

Basically
Your suggestion is invalid, as it breaks some of the suggestion rules

[zenith wharf]

Also I was just reading the rules as u said that so-

[glass arch]

thats like saying it cant be an everything bagel if it doesnt have literally everything

[zenith wharf]

And what's a cosmic elemental?

[glass arch]

• earth elemental isnt a real elemental

its completely manmade

[zenith wharf]

Well I mean it's a mini boss, and sand elemental is a mini boss and yet it's in the heart

[worldly sparrow]

we talkin lore

you talkin gameplay

[glass arch]

sand elemental is also a natural elemental

[worldly sparrow]

if you really wanted every elemental in lore you'd have the incaporeal form of silva along with you

[zenith wharf]

Well idk all this stuff so whatever

[glass arch]

old enemy that was removed, had no function other than dropping certain swords very rarely

[zenith wharf]

I mean not just in lore I mean able to spawn in game or smth

[worldly sparrow]

this is still a specific item suggestion

[zenith wharf]

Well idk what u mean by that hold on

[glass arch]

not only that but your suggestion lacks any and all reasoning

[errant cradle]

i love heart of the elements i wish it was fake

[glass arch]

SO TRUE

[worldly sparrow]

YES

[zenith wharf]

What?

Fake?

[glass arch]

the joke here is that many calamity players dont like hote and wish it didnt exist

[worldly sparrow]

also hote is just straight bad

rare sand ele makes up 90% of why its seriously used

[drowsy plank]

the HotE rework will be real in 5

[zenith wharf]

I'm new here what is hote

Oh wait

Nvm

[drowsy plank]

[glass arch]

and even then it needs heartreach to be really worth it

[drowsy plank]

anyway hote rework releasing alongside... idk fucking void queen coming back or something

[zenith wharf]

I love heart of element it's cool, I just have to use dye for censorship-

[drowsy plank]

that shit is glacial rn

[glass arch]

void queen will be real in 5

[drowsy plank]

@zenith wharf im flagging this because Scaling is a don't, but also because i... don't understand what this is even asking? you need to explain more, if at all, really

[zenith wharf]

Well bc dreadon what whatever his name is, says that he is working to improve his creations by observing them in battle or smth

[wide river]

Canonically Draedon can't recreate the Exo Mechs fast enough for a refight
He can remake them, but it'd take a very long amount of time

[golden sonnet]

The only cannon refight is SCal I'm pretty sure

[zenith wharf]

What's that mean (I'm still learning the letter name things)

[golden sonnet]

SCal is Supreme Witch, Calamitas

[zenith wharf]

Ah.

[golden sonnet]

As far as I'm aware, every other refight is non cannon

[zenith wharf]

Ah I see

Also what's wrong with specific item suggestions?

[wide river]

A few exceptions are bosses like Dragonfolly since it's been confirmed that there are a large amount of them
It's part of the reason why I suggested to remove the "The" from its name

[golden sonnet]

Ah yeah, I thought I might be forgetting something. Aren't there more profaned guardians too?

Are the scourges singular?

[wide river]

Basically, in the past, they were often too specific that they very rarely ever got accepted, so they were outright banned

[zenith wharf]

Then just

Don't make them specific

[golden sonnet]

Yes, that's what was done

[zenith wharf]

Wait so u can suggest items, just don't say all the stats and every pixel on the sprite

[worldly sparrow]

most bosses that there are multiple of could be interpreted as canon refights

[sleek turret]

ye

[wide river]

I think that's a no, since the Profaned Guardians were once humans who helped Providence slay a dragon

[worldly sparrow]

like, dragonfolly is a species

[sleek turret]

you'd also have to consider if they are necessary to their specific purpose

[golden sonnet]

Ye, this was mentioned

[worldly sparrow]

as could also be one

[golden sonnet]

.

[small timber]

You can: suggest to add more postML rogue weapon (with valid reason)

You cant: add elemental balls at postML rogue

[sleek turret]

elemental orbs

the baller

[worldly sparrow]

well dog is a specific worm of his "species"

[zenith wharf]

I wish there were items to turn into elementals. I mean there's one to turn into water elemental but it looks goofy on the tiny little short terraria character. I wanna have big sprite like draedon

[worldly sparrow]

that is probably high effort to code

[sleek turret]

it would be so funny to instantly turn into earth elemental and have muscular anatomy all times

it would be so awesome.... it would be so cool....

[zenith wharf]

Everything in coding is high effort, invalid reason.

[worldly sparrow]

ok but theres a rule against high effort suggestions

also some things take like 5 minutes to implement

[sleek turret]

"high" effort (the code is easy but I procastinate) /s

[worldly sparrow]

such as simple renames

or tweaks

[zenith wharf]

Yeah that's why I said it here and not as an actual suggestion

[north oracle]

hmmm
i wonder how a suggestion to add more "mech armour" active weapon summons would do

[worldly sparrow]

oh god the "subclass" suggs

[north oracle]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

Okay, no one really explained this very clearly, so I'd like the make a point. This channel is not for you to suggest things like an upgrade to HotE or to add your own special weapon or whatever which would be super cool and awesome. The point of this channel is to establish a problem with the current instance of the mod, identify and explain what and why that is a problem, and then present hypothetical solutions to fix said problem for the devs, without getting into too much detail such that they can come to their own conclusions on how to fix it.

[north oracle]

that's the issue, it's way too easy for that to fall both into SIS and subclass suggs

[distant gyro]

subclass suggestions

[worldly sparrow]

great reasoning

[north oracle]

[sleek turret]

i really like this sugg unironically

[north oracle]

"Identify a problem with the mod"
an actual problem not just "i want this to exist"

[worldly sparrow]

wait the ❗ was removed

[drowsy plank]

okay no this is definetly invalid it's just asking for a thing for the sake of asking for a thing

im conflicted cause someone said they actually like it

lmao

[north oracle]

it's a good idea

[drowsy plank]

plus it is

super late so im braindead

[north oracle]

and it's very similar to what i wanted to suggest about

but it's like

no

[hollow shell]

If you don't wanna get exclam'd then you're gonna need stronger reasoning than that...

[worldly sparrow]

...

that's doing wonders to help the reasoning

[drowsy plank]

okay that definetly solidified my stance on it

[zenith wharf]

;-;

[hollow shell]

You gotta elaborate on why you and other potential players would want
more transformations

Or to.. be taller, I guess?

[zenith wharf]

Yeah

[errant cradle]

simply step stool

[zenith wharf]

Also I don't wanna be too specific obviously

[errant cradle]

[worldly sparrow]

true

step stool

[wide river]

So true

[north oracle]

ture..

[sleek turret]

step stool upgrade -> high heels (kills your horizontal movement)

[hollow shell]

(You prolly won't win over the gameplay crowd considering a taller model will increase your hitbox size in all likelihood)

[drowsy plank]

@zenith wharf don't get meta in the suggestion, that's what this channel is for, and provide an actual reason as to 1. why it is a problem on why there isn't more transformations and 2. maybe suggest a couple ways this could be rectified

poor flamesteed

[zenith wharf]

Well what reasons could I add

[drowsy plank]

doomed to be cool as fuck and not very good

[zenith wharf]

That would still be acceptable

[hollow shell]

You tell us

[drowsy plank]

...

yeah

[hollow shell]

Why do you want to be taller

[worldly sparrow]

why did i first think that you meant the ingame meta by "meta"

[hollow shell]

or want more transformations in general

[zenith wharf]

Bc the character sprite is literally tiny

[worldly sparrow]

tell it in the sugg

[sleek turret]

to look awesome saucer 😎

[drowsy plank]

[worldly sparrow]

this chat is to discuss the sugg not to provide reasoning

[hollow shell]

But why does that bother you? All town NPCs are the same height, and humanoid enemies like Zombies too

[zenith wharf]

And draedon and the elementals ect is really cool have own sprite

You can't just leave me like THIS

[north oracle]

i think before I start trying to make an active summoner weapons suggestion, i should make sure that cal isn't stopping focusing on having those types of weapons be viable in favour of whips
I'd hope not, as cinders, flamsteed, and uni splitter are some of my favourite summoner weapons

[worldly sparrow]

honestly i'd love transformations like psc but like, i assume psc was crazy hard to make

[zenith wharf]

What that ;-;

[worldly sparrow]

profaned soul crystal

[zenith wharf]

Ah

[north oracle]

PSC is awesome

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Profaned_Soul_Crystal

[worldly sparrow]

endgame

[hollow shell]

Can you think of any possible elaboration other than that a larger model is "cooler"?

[worldly sparrow]

you transform into providence basically

[distant gyro]

being bigger in this game comes with a lot of silly drawbacks

[worldly sparrow]

but still small

[undone cedar]

PSC also keeps player height

i know that the funny mech dev weapon was really hard to code

[zenith wharf]

Well it's just vanity ig, if it has any abilities that might be too much

[distant gyro]

most notably hitbox size enlargement for the worse

[north oracle]

flamsteed is fucking awesome

[worldly sparrow]

me about to go through doors on exo chair only to discover something horrifying

[distant gyro]

hence there's only one item that really do it

[north oracle]

kinda sucks to use though

[hollow shell]

I'm trying to squeeze out something more objective or relatable from this highly subjective desire of Atlas's...

[wide river]

Just use the small transformation smh

[undone cedar]

flamesteed is kinda ass to use but its pretty awesome

[zenith wharf]

There's liliths necklace that turns u into a wolf, why can't that be copied and remade with different sprite?

[distant gyro]

and flamsteed big transformation is buggy as fuck even with dom's 75 or so hours of programming it or something i forgot

[undone cedar]

anyways like
vanity items and armors exist

[north oracle]

it's completely op, but it's not fun to use

[drowsy plank]

what

im

[worldly sparrow]

honestly just make taller vanity sets

problem solved

[undone cedar]

have you seen triangle's recent sprites?

[worldly sparrow]

this guy satisfied

[drowsy plank]

everything atlas says just confuses me more and more

[zenith wharf]

Armour just changes the look of the sprite, not the size

[hollow shell]

Yes, taller model transformations definitely can be done

We have Flamsteed Ring in the mod and that's extremely tall

[sleek turret]

oh yeah lilith's neckacle

[hollow shell]

It's a matter of "why", not "why not"

[zenith wharf]

I'm trying ok ;o;

[worldly sparrow]

keep trying

you got this

[cobalt pewter]

the mech from flamsteed ring is definitely still pretty clunky, and there's not really a way to change it unless you revamp its spriting and coding altogether

[drowsy plank]

lilth's doesnt even make you really any much bigger it's just a mount that disables player visbility and replaces it with the mount sprite!!

[zenith wharf]

All I want is like, more of those but different?

[drowsy plank]

why

[zenith wharf]

Exactly, just do that

[worldly sparrow]

why do you want more?

[zenith wharf]

Bc character if boring

[drowsy plank]

IT'S THE SAME SIZE AS THE PLAYER THO

[zenith wharf]

And end game u can just stay the same

[worldly sparrow]

endgame has psc

[zenith wharf]

Just change the height idk???

[hollow shell]

Okay, there's something there I guess

Variety and novelty

[distant gyro]

the recent update just added 2 transformation items technically

[zenith wharf]

I cAnT kEeP uP wItH eVeRyOnE tAlKiNg!!!!!

[drowsy plank]

we already have transformation items too with red bow and hupu fruit.,.,.,.

[distant gyro]

[wide river]

Cog
Calm
This person is trying their best no need to yell at them

[north oracle]

ha-pu is cool :p

[drowsy plank]

im fine im just

exasperated

i dont

get it

i want to but its just
nothing

[worldly sparrow]

honestly i agree that transformations would be a good idea to add, it's just that you really need the reasoning in your suggestion

[hollow shell]

(Not really the kind of transformations they're referring to, cuz those are the same general player model)

[drowsy plank]

fair

[zenith wharf]

the character has to undergo some kind of transformation after you beat the game

[worldly sparrow]

you aren't getting to dev server, let along voting without semi-decent reasoning

[hollow shell]

"Has to", you say?

[zenith wharf]

Exactly

[worldly sparrow]

...

[zenith wharf]

You know what I mean

[undone cedar]

no i dont know what you mean actually

[worldly sparrow]

so basically when you kill yharon you absorb his auric soul and become the god of rebirth /j

[sleek turret]

CalamityHunt

(wink wink)

[wide river]

Lore conflict detected
Activating missiles

[worldly sparrow]

what, with that you'd have to go through a transformation by endgame

/j

[zenith wharf]

Ok look the point is, we have transformation items already but I want more variety. It would be cool to become some sort of new being after gaining all this power and beat the game. It doesn't have to add any abilities and can just be vanity. The thing with liliths necklace was just an example of how it can be done, and I'm sure they can just change the hight somehow.

[glass arch]

ok but what if i https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Dedicated_content#Vanity

[north oracle]

Any thoughts on this before I post it?

Rework and Extend on the "active" summoner weapons

Currently, there are a total of 5 non whip active summon weapons. Of these, 2 (Flamsteed Ring and Universe Splitter) are endgame, and 1 (Cinders of Lament) is only usable on 1 boss.
The other 2, unfortunately, are some of the more boring weapons summoner has to offer, only needing the player to hold their mouse on top of the enemy while drinking mana potions. They are also placed at Slime god and Astrum Aureus, leaving large sections of the game with none of these "whip alternative" weapons

Therefore, I would like to suggest that Slime Puppet and Borealis Bomber recieve reworks to make them more interesting, and more of these types of weapons are added to provide less risky but less powerful alternatives to whips.

[worldly sparrow]

thing is, currently we don't really have the ending to do such a thing
transforming to defeat yharim wouldn't be great as a concept, and with the future superbosses i don't think it'd work well there either

[sleek turret]

from "i love this mod" weak fisique to leaving terraria entirely and getting very strong at irl gym /s

that's the transformation

[undone cedar]

again, id point out that vanity, armors, and dyes already exist
there are infinite variations of what the player character can look like which you can customize to get closer to your desired appearance in game

[worldly sparrow]

^

[undone cedar]

you could accomplish similar things by changing your vanity as the game progresses

[zenith wharf]

When I said have to, I don't mean actually have to, I mean it just kinda makes sense after gaining all this power to maybe gain a special item that can turn you into some creature or something, or something similar to draedon.

[drowsy plank]

looks fine to me, maybe focus more on how borealis and slime kinda encroach on mage? like straight down to mana use, id say, maybe
also maybe a bit more detail as to why these alts are so important? that's all i can really think of atm (wouldn't be hard just explain how they make the class more dynamic)

[north oracle]

mm, that's good
thanks, i'll put that in then post it.

[worldly sparrow]

flamsteed ring is basically the closest to that right now

[hollow shell]

You could say that changing the player's model is not something that is allowed by any of that
You're still dressing up the same doll

[zenith wharf]

You don't understand I mean yes we have things but the suggestion is just adding more that's all it is!

[undone cedar]

fair
but its dress up doll with a lot of options that already exist without a shit ton of extra work for spriters and maybe also coders

adding content is not that simple

[hollow shell]

(and yeah I just wanna make sure that you actually do know about Flamsteed Ring
That it turns you into a really tall mech that you can play as
and that it is endgame
Right?)

[worldly sparrow]

suggestions need reasoning, no matter what they do

[undone cedar]

you dont just click a button and make things appear in game

work, time, and effort must be put in

[zenith wharf]

That's literally the reasoning, more transformation variety

[drowsy plank]

lmao this is all going back to my original explination of this channel

[worldly sparrow]

alright, include that in the suggestion and emphasize it

[drowsy plank]

the point is not to just point and say "thing cool!" you need to give a reason as to why the devs should do this at all, especially over things like, reworking more weapons, working on the biome revamps, working on yharim, etc.

[worldly sparrow]

the more reasoning that supports your sugg the better the chances are of it getting to voting

[drowsy plank]

it's not like they're lacking things to work on rn

[worldly sparrow]

accepted purgatory moment

[drowsy plank]

[sleek turret]

y'all need to add rubblemaker support for ya books smh 🤦‍♂️ ..,.,.. (/s, obviously)

[north oracle]

there, posted

[worldly sparrow]

great fluffy sugg as always

[north oracle]

this is the 3rd sugg i've ever posted

[drowsy plank]

lol

[wide river]

Would you consider Cnidarian an "active summoner weapon" for the purposes of this suggestion

[hollow shell]

(How is that true)

[worldly sparrow]

yeah the previous 2 were great too

[sleek turret]

isn't cnidarian a "whip"

[north oracle]

lol

[north oracle]

true, i forget that that one exists

[sleek turret]

except it's not vanilla whip it's own "whip"

[hollow shell]

It kinda intentionally rides the line between an active summon weapon and a whip

[zenith wharf]

There I made it better I think

[sleek turret]

Whipn't.

[worldly sparrow]

ideally remove these 2 lines

dont go meta

it doesnt work

[hollow shell]

That new reasoning is definitely better than what you had before

[zenith wharf]

Fine

I'm going insane-

[worldly sparrow]

we're trying to help man

[north oracle]

(that mech thing is called flamsteed ring)

[hollow shell]

But yeah when the suggestion gets made permanent after being sent to #suggestions-voting and potentially the devs, then, that discussion context won't make sense or be relevant

[north oracle]

i'm... not sure
i kinda just hang out here a lot, write half a suggestion, then change my mind lol

[zenith wharf]

hApPy NoW?

[zenith wharf]

Right and that

[worldly sparrow]

not explicitly breaking rules now

i think

[hollow shell]

Alright yep that's better
First line is goofy but it's backed up by the reasoning below

Opinion @drowsy plank ?

[zenith wharf]

Ok no more changes

Honestly, another reason is that being a human is boring ngl

[drowsy plank]

...the reasoning is still weak as shit but...
ive let worse through i suppose
it's probably fine, but it's gonna die in voting hard i think, and that's not even mentioning devvote lol

[worldly sparrow]

no need to dunk the sugg like that

even though i agree

[drowsy plank]

there's already a merman, werewolf, mermaid, lamia, and, if you use calval, other elemental transformations tbf, they're just. smol

[north oracle]

yeah, it'll never get past devs tbh
there's nothing actually wrong with it anymore tho

[worldly sparrow]

alright we can remove the flag now

[coral carbon]

(also atlas never responded to this )

[drowsy plank]

im being honest because if i was suggesting something like that, id want to know that so i can beef up the reasoning more

[zenith wharf]

Some of those still keep the same general structure

[undone cedar]

yeah it can go to voting

[north oracle]

wait, that thing has excelsus in the recipe? this is certianly a dedicated weapon moment

[drowsy plank]

it is such a dedicated weapon moment

at least it has a sword functionality

i think

idr

[wide river]

Sorta

[zenith wharf]

I mean it's cool but it's a robot

[wide river]

Something like Murasama's slash but a bit more narrow iirc

[hollow shell]

Lamia and Mermaid are just vanity sets, no?

[sleek turret]

fish vanity set

[drowsy plank]

this is fair, but they're very elaborate

[north oracle]

yeah, it does

[coral carbon]

mfw its what you're describing but "its a robot"

[zenith wharf]

Ok in my opinion anything that still keeps this general shape doesn't count

[coral carbon]

blud

[hollow shell]

byeah I get what you're askin for

[drowsy plank]

the tails have a lot of spritework done, basically making a completely new walk cycle variant

[zenith wharf]

Btw how get ring

[hollow shell]

and yeah I've used the Lamia Tail on a lot of my character vanities, it's cool

[drowsy plank]

id put them up with transformations personally, but maybe its just cause i know the amount of work that goes behind it that i think they deserve that kind of credit

[north oracle]

craft it using the recipe rover posted earlier

[hollow shell]

Crafted using Shadowspec Bars and other materials, so it's after the final bosses, for use on Boss Rush

[zenith wharf]

Idk if I even have shadowspec bars

[hollow shell]

If you haven't beaten both SCal and the Exo Mechs, then, yeah you don't have access to them yet

[zenith wharf]

I have (cough in creative mode)

Ok I see it now, this is what I want, but generally more organic

[hollow shell]

Take what you can get

It already looks like your pfp anyway, fits perfect

[north oracle]

lmao

[zenith wharf]

Lol

[sleek turret]

yeah I agree with this sugg

[worldly sparrow]

crazy how the mech is named after a scrapped concept for the draedon fight and by extension a galaxy

[north oracle]

Why- I mean sure it would be funny, but SIS

[undone cedar]

@bitter hornet
You can check the pins in this channel for suggestion guidelines. This is a specific item suggestion and also lacks reasoning.

[worldly sparrow]

i love the concept but sis

[north oracle]

@mighty summit
Make sure your suggestion is formatted the same as the ones above it (Title, linebreak, suggestion) and add in a reason, like "This would make it easier to create artificial biomes"

[mighty summit]

okay thank u

should i delet and reformat the post?

[north oracle]

just edit it

[mighty summit]

i hope this is better

[north oracle]

that's better, yep
thanks!

[umbral gazelle]

abyss water leak flashback

[lucid marsh]

People will do anything to avoid wire setups

You can make infinite water automatically with faucets or whatever they're called

Obtainable water walls sounds like a great way to crash your game

[fleet flume]

@waxen garnet I think reworking the underground Sulfurous Sea biome would be a better solution. It would keep the same layering, but it would also prevent leakage. A good way to do that is to have the entrance be to the side instead of below.

I understand that custom seeds aren't the main focus for the Calamity team, and this would probably take very low priority.

Now I understand the phenomenon where people switch between typing and not typing.

[waxen garnet]

Yes, another approach would be to fix issues with upside-down abyss. Rework underground Sulfurous Sea, create a proper entrance, make it end below the surface. But it will be more difficult to implement, and as you said it's not the main focus

[fleet flume]

Yeah. I don't think it would make the best config option either.

Maybe removing it in getfixedboi would be a good idea though.

Switching it to normal.

But the drainage is an issue.

[waxen garnet]

Do you mean removing abyss completely? But it is one of the main features of Calamity

[fleet flume]

No

Just removing it being upside down.

[waxen garnet]

I agree

Current upside-down abyss feels unfinished

[fleet flume]

GFB has no reason to implement it. From what I can tell, it's supposed to be a seed to commemorate the history of the mod in a humorous way.

I don't remember anyone flipping the abyss and making any history.

I suppose, despite it not being the main priority, it wouldn't take that much time to implement.

I need some sleep, and a conversation between people who could hardly be more distant from the Calamity team won't get anyone far. I'm no longer a major factor in this discussion.

[fervent orbit]

wot

[crude geode]

GFB is a meme to devs afaik.

[fervent orbit]

gfb is just a joke seed

plus u cant have a config for a controversial change

[waxen garnet]

We already have a config to disable changes on early hardmode progression, which is also a controversial change

[fervent orbit]

that is for mod compatibility reasons

[north oracle]

that same reasoning applies to this too noob

[fervent orbit]

it doesnt?

its still replacing the same space

[north oracle]

anything that affects that ocean is now completely fucked instead of slightly fucked

[fervent orbit]

or most of it is

[north oracle]

but yeah

it's more because... the early hardmode rework affects literally everyone
this affects literally only people who choose to play a seed that's already a meme

[crude geode]

I don’t think anything effects that ocean because cal would just overwrite it naturally?

Because of sulphurous sea and abyss just. existing being a problem there, not just abyss being upside down

[fervent orbit]

also a config for 2 seeds specifically seems very impractical

[waxen garnet]

What's impractical? The mod has a special code for those seeds, it makes changes that can ruin player's experience. Let the player decide if he wants to play with those changes or not

[crude geode]

What

[north oracle]

you chose to play GFB, your quality of experience is forfeit

[coral carbon]

Yeah.. you decide whether you want those changes when you put the seed in...

???

[north oracle]

^
If you don’t want the changes, don’t play the seed

[coral carbon]

Simple as that

[crude geode]

The seed is actively known amongst the community for being a massive shitpost

[fervent orbit]

impractical in the sense that it would be an annoying check for the devs to implement, for it to exist in the config ui which is usually reversed for universal changes and that it is entirely unneeded in the first place

[north oracle]

Anyway, there’s no point dogpiling on the sugg
It doesn’t break rules, it’s just not a great idea XD

[crude geode]

Yeah

[waxen garnet]

I've changed my suggestion, removed that part about config parameter

[hollow shell]

Is the suggestion's only argument against the inverted Abyss that it gens with holes so it inadvertently drains?
It says "Considering all the above" but it only says 1 thing that's bad

The rest of the sugg just.. describes how it generates

[crude geode]

@waxen garnet see above

[hollow shell]

"make it end below the surface"
Is the voidstone wall a problem then? Or perhaps the space grav in the final layer?

Saying that it's "very strange" isn't really an argument against it considering that's the point.

[waxen garnet]

The voidstone wall, the fact that you can reach the top edge of the world by water and "fly into space" (that's what the death message will tell you). the fact that you have sulfurous sea with acid rains underground (vanilla GFB doesn't place ocean biome underground, for example) - all of these I consider problems

[hollow shell]

You should absolutely mention those directly in your suggestion. It'll strengthen your reasoning

(I personally would much rather see each problem individually addressed rather than give up on the inverted Abyss entirely though

It's a really fun idea for the inverted world seeds)

[bright crag]

(But Rains happen underground in vanilla...? All weather events takd place in the Fake Surface)

The fact that you can die by reaching the top of the world is intentional

[waxen garnet]

It's intentional in vanilla FWB, and there it feels logical - you fly higher and higher, you lose gravity, and eventually you leave the world and can't come back. In the abyss you are dealing with high pressure, and then 1 tile above you end up in space - how? Even if it's a funny and "meme" seed, it should still follow some basic logic

[hollow shell]

mmm you're playing with dangerous reasoning there

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[hollow shell]

There's a billion things you can try to "logically" point out about not making sense in Terraria

I would focus more on the gameplay annoyance of it

[waxen garnet]

Gameplay annoyance: one gameplay mechanic tells you that you are dealing with high pressure. Another mechanic lets you jump super-high and reach space

[bright crag]

For Remix, true
We could change that
But for gfb, a map filled with lava-generating crispy honey and nonsensical boss situations, I don't really see the point

Idk, to me it's
Top of the world = death
Regardless of the place

[hollow shell]

Judging from the map the inverted Abyss looks closed off on top
If you can die by hitting the voidstone ceiling then that seems quite annoying and unintuitive yeah. You're not even flying into space

(But if you have to mine through it to get to the death barrier then no issue imo)

[sand marlin]

I think that can be fixed with just rewriting the death message to "player died from extreme pressure" and keep it the way it is since that fits more

[waxen garnet]

The idea is fun, but it doesn't look finished. We could make an underground ocean that becomes more dangerous the higher you go. But it will require significantly more efforts, and I'm not sure it's reasonable to do just for 2 secret seeds. Current implementation looks like one side of map got rotated by 180 degrees, without any consideration how it fits the surrounding world. So my suggestion is - instead of forcing the player to play with unfinished solution, let him use a normal one.

[hollow shell]

Eh. That's what running out of breath is supposed to convey. Having another "pressure crush" death unrelated to breath, that only exists on the flipped worlds as a paint-over of the space death, doesn't seem good

[waxen garnet]

You move one tile right, you jump - you die from pressure. You move one tile left, you jump - you fly into space

[sand marlin]

Doesn't look like something hard to avoid as you can make the player run out of breath as they reach there, it would be very related

[crude geode]

Isn’t “no consideration for how it affects the surrounding world” most of GFB?

[golden sonnet]

Real

[hollow shell]

Been meaning to say this
but I feel like the draining issue can be somewhat easily solved by adding a horizontal line of Bubble Blocks, or new blocks that have the same liquid-stopping behavior of Bubble Blocks, to the bottom of the inverted Abyss and/or the SulphSea

and doing so would make it feel a lot more like an ocean... cuz there would be water in it

I mean this as in the devs could make the Abyss and SulphSea generate with those bubble blocks

[crude geode]

That would be fine

I currently think it’s fine as is, because the whole point of GFB is to be a miserable, concept breaking meme seed that doesn’t really make sense.

[sand marlin]

I think the "death to space" issue is a very easy fix regardless

Replace instant death with instant breath depletion and it would function very similarly and actually make sense

[waxen garnet]

GFB still tries to make the world more-or-less integral. It doesn't place clouds in hell, it doesn't rotate trees upside-down. Personally I role-play it as a post-apocalyptic world with mutated lava bees 🙂

[hollow shell]

I would personally make the voidstone ceiling extend lower so you don't even encounter it under normal circumstances

[crude geode]

Making the voidstone lower would be fine

So you can’t encounter the death unless you intentionally break through it

[sand marlin]

Oh so you would rather remove the gimmick entirely, not much interesting but I don't really care much, all I saw was an opportunity to provide an interesting solution

[sand marlin]

(Nobody's gonna do that, rather why would they

[sand marlin]

As said before it was meant to be intentional too

It just takes away from GFB's while miserable, funny gimmicks

[crude geode]

(This is truly the reason why GFB suggestions should be banned. It feels like everyone has a different opinion on what it should be.)

[sand marlin]

All I'm gonna say is that I'm trying to align with the seed's purpose

Being a literal hell of inconvenience for the player

[fervent orbit]

isnt secret seed stuff alr part of soft donts?

[crude geode]

Where?

[fervent orbit]

might be misremembering

[hollow shell]

You'd still have the 'gimmick' outside of the flipped Abyss
Jumping up into Space anywhere else

[waxen garnet]

It's not, I've checked

[hollow shell]

nope

[crude geode]

It’s been brought up a couple times by Cogni

[fervent orbit]

should be then

[sand marlin]

That's entirely different as you would never encounter it in Abyss, where you are supposed to be able to with all intents considered

[crude geode]

but ultimately rover has been hesitating on it

[sand marlin]

Might be the same gimmick but not the same circumstance applied to it

[waxen garnet]

It doesn't make sense to support secret seeds, have special mechanics for them, and forbid suggestions

[fervent orbit]

soft donts are seperate from donts

[hollow shell]

Indeed

But the suggs we were more interested in potentially banning were things that added more dumb shit to the GFB seed
rather than trying to make it more reasonable

cuz we already disallow joke suggestions
But suggesting stuff for the GFB seed is like getting a joke sugg free pass cuz it's a whole joke seed so it "fits"

[fervent orbit]

yes, which is why exactly joke suggs that are just "do it in ftw/gfb" should be a soft dont

reasoning would still need be valid, but itd have to be really good

[crude geode]

If it’s a whole joke seed, and most of the community knows and accepts that, I don’t really feel like trying to “make it more reasonable” makes sense

I do understand why in theory we’d disallow the other half tho

[sand marlin]

Well there is a fine line between nearly unplayable and actually unplayable

[hollow shell]

To be fair this Abyss sugg applies to dontdigup too, which takes itself more seriously

[bright crag]

If I'm not mistaken, using "reveal all map" also reveal stuff off-bounds
Which is why it looks solid
Not sure that'd be the case in a normal pt

[fervent orbit]

does going to space exist dontdigup

[hollow shell]

iirc yes

lemme check

[fervent orbit]

yes

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[crude geode]

Damn

[fervent orbit]

o u were also on mobile

[crude geode]

Yeah if it exists in dontdigup I feel like that gives it more credibility

[waxen garnet]

There are places without solid blocks on top

[hollow shell]

yeah it's meant to be a rough analog to the dangers of the underworld in a normal seed
like falling into a deep lava pit I spose

so
Having it in the Abyss that you're meant to go to the end of, doesn't make sense

[bright crag]

Then again, intentional
What I'm saying is that using map reveal gives you an innaccurate perspective of the map

[hollow shell]

You already have enough to worry about in the final Abyss layer

[sand marlin]

Does bottom of the world kill you in any circumstance? I feel like that'd be a good one to add too

[hollow shell]

In normal game, no. You can stand on the world floor

[crude geode]

Not that I remember from pure vanilla

Yeah

[hollow shell]

But you gotta dig a long way down to reach it

As opposed to flipped world's open air and dangerously low gravity

[sand marlin]

Well that's giving me mixed signals, I was asking more than just pure vanilla. Do the seeds not affect it either?

[waxen garnet]

no

[sand marlin]

Aight

[hollow shell]

(The bottom of the world shouldn't kill you in flipped world, design-wise, considering the safety gradient is meant to be at its max down there)

[sand marlin]

Good point I never thought about it like that

[waxen garnet]

Updated my suggestion with things we've discussed here

[hollow shell]

Thank you that is a much better suggestion

More strongly supported that is

[drowsy plank]

@mighty summit those already exist???? unsafe navystone walls are already a thing

you just dont use shimmer u can craft them normally
at least, according to the wiki rn
could've been updated but i wouldnt know

[cobalt pewter]

• it's crafted directly (as you said earlier)
• it doesn't produce water (which was the point of the suggestion iirc)

I think shimmering current unsafe into water-generating variant could be nice

god knows what would happen if an average terraria player is given easy access to flooding

[sleek turret]

Genesis 6:17

[golden sonnet]

LMAO

[buoyant idol]

The fish in the flood:

[fervent orbit]

• Any suggestions about making vanilla weapons or equipment deal/boost Rogue damage instead of their original damage type.

Example: Making Vampire Knives deal rogue damage and not melee.
Reason: We do not want players of a given class to "lose" options that they once had in vanilla.
Note: Asking for vanilla equipment to boost rogue damage in addition to whatever they originally boosted is okay. No options are lost in such a case. It would be difficult to translate that into the case of weapons in a way that isn't too awkward or cumbersome, but it would be allowed if it preserves the option the original class had.

hard dont

[small timber]

something something suggestion dont yes

[glass arch]

@kindred creek

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure they do?? i remember using them to refill the abyss once because they do do that

[glass arch]

dont the abyss walls spawn water anyways

[drowsy plank]

what other reason would they even have to exist if they didn't? the sunken sea doesnt use the walls to check its biome, so the only purpose of having unsafe variants would be if they made water, which i am pretty sure they do

[sleek turret]

abyss walls spawn water ye

[drowsy plank]

okay it was the sulph sea, since it capped off higher than the walls went, but the points stands

[royal tapir]

The point of the unsafe walls is that they spawn water

If they’re crafted right now, they should prolly be changed to be shimmer transmutation

[drowsy plank]

yeah prolly

bc they are

[kindred creek]

are we allowed to make suggestions about the get fixed boi seed? I understand that it's intentionally unbalanced, but plantera is legit easier than mechdusa. I now have post golem gear and mechdusa is still a bitch because of the size of destroyer.

[fervent orbit]

depends

[kindred creek]

i was gonna suggest a decrease in the size of destroyer.

[fervent orbit]

didnt they alr do that

[kindred creek]

it definitely doesn't feel like it

[drowsy plank]

i believe they did

regardless, they're not going to make changes in GFB for difficulty

so it'd be a waste of time, id say, be better to talk about issues with dest itself since at the end of the day it's still just base dest AI

but idk

[grim tusk]

Yes, it was a bug it was so big and that got fixed boi

If your game was a cakewalk i dont think it was light disc’s fault

[fervent orbit]

"even with the addition of infernum" and infernum does not support ftw and above

[grim tusk]

@random talon

[fervent orbit]

[random talon]

I made it work (sorta)

[grim tusk]

The reasoning is also way too ranty

[random talon]

also yea, I see your point

[cobalt pewter]

you're old

[fervent orbit]

also eow shimmer is completely intentional

[whole tundra]

Infernum is also not managed by Fabsol

[fervent orbit]

👴

[drowsy plank]

...that's fucking stupid why do they even exist then

[random talon]

Infernum wasn't the crux of my argument (unless you're telling me that it was Infernum adding those drops)

[glass arch]

it wasnt

[fervent orbit]

you shouldnt be including infernum in the first place

[glass arch]

also like

[grim tusk]

The suggestion was badly written and mostly a rant. You should elaborate on the reason instead of having it very vague while just ranting.

[glass arch]

cog was testing gfb to see if a multiplayer session on it needed the hp boost config and checked the config to make sure he didnt have it turned on because. fucking ZENITH wasnt shredding qb

[grim tusk]

“Its too easy because of Light Disc”
Why does light disc make it too easy?

And no Infernum here

[random talon]

In hindsight, using Infernum as a comparison for difficulty was a bad idea

[grim tusk]

Also remember that some “QoL” mods make the game way too easy

alch npc

[random talon]

I had no QoL mods

I do not like them

if I wanted to play an NPC Trading Simulator I would play Minecraft

[grim tusk]

TRU

[frosty trellis]

LMAO

[cobalt pewter]

idk honestly

might as well make unsafe navystone consistent with other unsafe walls tbh

give it a unique prefix (Leaking or something) and put it behind shimmer

and bring back the water

[brittle nexus]

I descend to drop turret info
yes, sus scrap was used for the exact reason you stated, and I did that knowing full well that it was a world limited resource.
if you want your sus scrap back, then you can shimmer the turret.
the player version of the OG turret wasn't even in my plans from the start, but was added later for consistency with other turrets.

oh also, there was a plan to add hostile versions of each turret to their respective lab, like hell lab gets hostile fire turrets to defend it, plague lab gets hostile plague turrets to defend it, etc.
however we just haven't gotten to that yet, I suppose. Whenever schematics were re-exported for 1.4.4, whoever did it forgot to insert the respective hostile turret.

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I noticed that in the fact hostile versions of them exist in game via item browsers, but aren't anywhere in the world

[drowsy plank]

the big issue is just that

you'd

never use lab turrets with the current implementation

[novel belfry]

Okay about that suggestion asking for don’t dig up abyss to not be reversed

I LOVE that reverses abyss dont remove it man

[drowsy plank]

dw it's just gonna get hard rejected in dev

like most GFB suggestions

assuming they even get that far

[fervent orbit]

probably not since the upside down abyss is like

one of the most iconic parts of cal's remix

[brittle nexus]

well, what else are you going to do with sus scrap other than make shpc
there can be more than 4 sus scrap in a world

[fervent orbit]

uhhmm wat if i have 10 mages in my world???

[brittle nexus]

true !

[drowsy plank]

i mean i thought that was like

the point

sus scrap is annoying enough to get most people dont even bother with shpc

[tired haven]

There are so many resources (infinite ones at that) with no apparent sinking mechanism that sus scrap is the least of my worries

And I assume the reason you get more of scrap is so that you don't have to explore 100% of the world to craft shpc

leeway, so to speak

[ashen warren]

that would make sense

[glass arch]

kid named cheat sheet

[buoyant idol]

Kid named small worlds with Onyx key:

[grim tusk]

Child named “SMALL WORLDS NOT SUPPORTED BY CALAMITY”

[fervent orbit]

if i were the child id hate my parents

[wide river]

Youthful human distinguished by the identifying factor known as "Large world supremacy"

[sleek turret]

sorry but i have alredy drawn myself as "large world enjoyer" and you as "small world fan" so i just won the argument

[golden sonnet]

[wide river]

@jagged marsh Please no standalone messages in #suggestions-posting, if you have to comment on suggestions then do so here

[whole tundra]

He did it in most other channels too

[wide river]

Oh goodie a spammer

[jagged marsh]

[drowsy plank]

please stop spamming wires in every chat, and especially not in #suggestions-posting

[whole tundra]

If you want a mod calling you out, you've come to the right place

[jagged marsh]

im sorry

[drowsy plank]

you really dont seem to be

just dont do it again

[sleek turret]

[drowsy plank]

@winter anchor im sorry, what exactly are you even asking??

it seems like you're asking the granite and marble shrines to be swapped back but give zero reasoning

[grim tusk]

Get fixed BOI!

Even tho I knew someone would complain about Gfb marble/granite shrines I still did it because its funny

[golden sonnet]

I agree it's funny

Also it makes sense tbh considering granite and marble biome generation is swapped in vanilla getfixedboi

[drowsy plank]

i agree and do not think u should change them back

plus it makes them much easier to notice

[golden tulip]

are there any plans to rework the stn line

[drowsy plank]

i dont think so

xpc's sugg got rejected

[golden tulip]

why

[fervent orbit]

iirc the reasoning was that its supposed to be the "super offensive dmg + ap combo"

or smthn like that

ill try to find it

[golden tulip]

isnt it the "it's either absolute dogshit or completely overpowered combo"

[glass arch]

either doesnt reduce killtimes at all or phoenix flame barrage

[golden tulip]

then the rejection reason doesnt even make sense

i would like to see the line reworked

[stable kiln]

considering its just the armor pen line i dont really see how a rework for it would work

nor if one is really needed

i dont remember the wording on xpc's suggestion too much but i might get convinced otherwise idk

[golden tulip]

do you really think adding a flat, staggering 5 or 10 or 15 armor pen is the best it could be

[hollow shell]

Flat damage bonus is inherently going to have that property of either being useless or broken good
Extremely dependent on the weapon

[golden tulip]

well why does it have to be an armor pen line
it is extremely boring

[hollow shell]

The only way to make it any stronger without creating more broken-good interactions would be to give it a new effect that is unrelated to armor pen
Or, to do its AP in a more conditional way, I guess?

[hollow shell]

Calamity

[regal willow]

how calamitous

[golden tulip]

well im not even going to try if such a suggestion has already been denied. i think that is a dumb decision

[hollow shell]

Does seem kinda weird that the sugg got rejected when it's asking to get rid of a problematic balancing stat
#suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

it is weird

i think the main issue was not really knowing how to change it

i really dont remeber tbh

[livid coral]

Every third attack you just spawn sharks that flail around like a bad prop in a gmod game

Hue

[glass arch]

[drowsy plank]

i was thinking about giving it a shark tooth projectile that embedded into enemies or something

could be a way to improve it

[hollow shell]

Literally was thinking of giving it an "Every X attack" effect lol

Cuz that has the same weapon interaction benefits as armor pen

[livid coral]

I would 900% learn to code just to do this.

[oblique geyser]

the flat armor pen is so weak

[glass arch]

[oblique geyser]

+7.5 damage post polter is doing nothing

[north oracle]

With most weapons

[livid coral]

The image of either teeth sticking out of an enemy or a shark just chomping on them is funny to me

[sleek turret]

do x amounts of damage to receive an shark tooth that goes up to a ring around you (max 10)

[glass arch]

it shaves like
2 minutes off pfb on exos doesnt it