suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

i think it was a tiny bit above where lava spawns

still cavern layer tho

[buoyant idol]

Could you send a screenshot of your map location where you waited for him?

[ashen warren]

his name is probably satoshi

[ashen warren]

well i didnt exactly take a photo but this is what i meant

[buoyant idol]

Just above lava is where I'd look for him. Glowing Mushroom biomes provide good spaces for him.

[ashen warren]

yeah i was in a glowing mushroom biome next to my hellevator at that level

(im not lying)

[buoyant idol]

The crimson might be interfering.

[ashen warren]

there wasnt crimson there last time i was doing it

[buoyant idol]

Strange, try another spot then.

[ashen warren]

okay i finally got it but from an archer

still dumb how theres no recipe though

[buoyant idol]

I'd just chalk it up to some seriously bad RNG. If you have a cheat mod enabled, perhaps check if he might've been accidently blacklisted.

[stable kiln]

i think having a weapon both be purchasable from a npc (that really isnt that rare lol) already makes up for the low drop rate

[grave zinc]

@paper torrent - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework some Calamity flamethrowers]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

@wintry gale That sounds like an issue for #1042197406776827914 in my opinion

[hollow shell]

Yeah I was boutta say

[wintry gale]

oh
sorry
i didnt see this channel

[lavish condor]

yeah threads aren't shown until you've been linked to them

[wintry gale]

makes sense

[wintry gale]

ummm
what should i say exactly?
as i can see things seem to work differently there

[wide river]

Probably just say how from your experience, Wave Pounder does an above-average amount of damage to Thanatos, and ask if this is known

[wintry gale]

okay

[wide river]

@solemn sleet You don't have much reasoning here
Also I think specifying when the upgrade is might make push this a bit into SIS (Specific Item Suggestion) territory

[solemn sleet]

can i edit it? the suggestion i mean

[worldly sparrow]

ofc

[solemn sleet]

what reasoning could the devs possibly require

[worldly sparrow]

a bit more than "i like the stealth strike, make more weapons like it"

[solemn sleet]

does it HAVE to be absolutely necessary for them to add it?

[worldly sparrow]

no, but this is a suggestion, the goal is to convince them to add whatever's in the suggestion

[solemn sleet]

i can't convince them even if i tried

but the shinobi blade really does deserve upgrades

have you tested it?

[worldly sparrow]

its good

relatively balanced

[solemn sleet]

the stealth strike does this thing similar to keqing's elemental burst from genshin impact
or hayapusa's ultimate from mobile legends or master yi Q from league of legends

its REALLY cool

https://tenor.com/view/keqing-gif-20356338

[coral carbon]

Said league and genshin in the same sentence omg

[worldly sparrow]

:O

jail

[solemn sleet]

i have thousands of hours in both

[worldly sparrow]

...

[solemn sleet]

but thats not the point

i think the shinobi blade is a cool weapon and would like an upgrade for it to exist, an upgrade that maintains the same stealth strike while making it viable in latter stages of the game

give it a ricochet effect maybe to clear crowds of enemies at a time

[worldly sparrow]

you're on the border of normal sugg and sis with that one

[solemn sleet]

its impossible

you can't convince the devs to do more work than they already have

[wide river]

If that was the case, then this channel wouldn't exist

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, and suggs wouldn't be routinely implemented

[solemn sleet]

but it does, which is questionable xd

like, in how many things does your suggestion have to live up to in order for the devs to add it to the game lol

[worldly sparrow]

because believe it or not, when porting hell isnt a thing the devs can be productive

[wide river]

I suggest reading the pins here and looking through the Suggestion Don'ts doc

[solemn sleet]

i dont think its possible for the shinobi blade upgrade to make it to the game but i will try anyway

wait.. its possible

how do i become a donor? so they add an upgrade to the shinobi blade as a donor item

[wide river]

You can't do that anymore
Donor items were closed long ago

[solemn sleet]

dammit

oh well

[fervent orbit]

imo

dont say an upgrade

[solemn sleet]

O-O

[fervent orbit]

just say more stealth strikes should utilise this style

[solemn sleet]

aight cool

@fervent orbitthank you

@fervent orbit@wide river@worldly sparrowwhat do you guys think? will this work?

[drowsy plank]

no you need to focus more on the why and not just say "it would be cool"

[worldly sparrow]

^

[fervent orbit]

change it from "its cool" to "its under-utilised and unique"

[solemn sleet]

done

[fervent orbit]

i know the context of why u think its cool, but the devs wouldnt

[solemn sleet]

@fervent orbit Man this might actually just work thanks to you xD
none of the suggestions i've posted have ever been taken into consideration before

[drowsy plank]

i might list a couple examples of weapons that have underwhelming stealth strikes that could benefit from having something more akin to shinobi

[fervent orbit]

cosmic kunai could

think about it

its alr related to a boss that heavily uses knives and teleports around using distortion portals

probably the perfect candidate

[drowsy plank]

i still dont think this is going to get very far in voting, since the devs mostly already know that bad weapons need to be improved, and that they can reuse code, but i suppose it cant hurt to try

[solemn sleet]

hell yeah imma try to add this in without making it seem too conspicuous somehow

... idk why i care so much though
like, even if a miracle happens and they do agree to add a powerful weapon with shinobi's gimmick, im not gonna be playing the game anymore by the time it drops

[worldly sparrow]

the stereotype of cal devs being slow is incorrect

[wide river]

I think you have a poor stereotype of how the Calamity devs work

[worldly sparrow]

they're actually somewhat fast to a degree when porting hell isnt a thing

[drowsy plank]

cal updates are very fast when they aren't ports tbh

[worldly sparrow]

or unless its a really big update

which in this case it isnt

next updates are probably just a hotfix, then minor update, then sunken sea rework

thats generally how it goes

[wide river]

Definitely at least 1 patch/hotfix before the Sunken Sea rework because of the state of the Sponge

[solemn sleet]

''it's boss'' doesn't sound right

[wide river]

Say "the boss that drops it" instead

[solemn sleet]

@fervent orbit@worldly sparrow@wide river This is it

[worldly sparrow]

there is no reasoning for the second image to be in the sugg

[solemn sleet]

its not an image its a gif
u sure?

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, but at least explain it so people know why it;s there

[fervent orbit]

a gif of the weapon being used is fine by itself

[solemn sleet]

xD

[worldly sparrow]

...sure

[solemn sleet]

jk lol

this ain't my first time writing a job application GG's

[worldly sparrow]

look you don't have to be too professional

if my sugg about gfb exos death sound being metal pipe falling got into voting you can have hints of humor

[glass arch]

how many fucking expeditions have you sent people on jesus fucking christ

[solemn sleet]

A lot, myself included

Genshin Impact was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made in my entire life

[glass arch]

did you pay to win it or smth

[solemn sleet]

You can't even begin to imagine the pain I went through playing this game

the amount of money I've lost... the misery

I fucking hate myself

[glass arch]

why would you ptw it

[solemn sleet]

Because I'm retarded

that's why

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-gif-20344703

[solemn sleet]

nobody that spends over 6000 hours playing games like genshin impact and league of legends is mentally stable

or sane

[novel belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1086483141671264356/1109275416436412488/speed.gif

i am super sorry

[solemn sleet]

amazing

it's beautiful

[solemn sleet]

yeah me too

[cobalt pewter]

Shinobi Blade SS has ass visualization

you literally don't see any of it until it hits the enemy (if it does)

though a lot of stealth strikes are still pretty mad underwhelming

(like Mycoroot and Cosmic Kunai)

[coral carbon]

hey... you... yeah... now it pierces 6 things instead of 3 things.. bye.. brug...

[cobalt pewter]

Shinobi Blade is actually decent now, but man before its ss was reworked it was garbage

there are a lot of things I can say about stealth strikes that I likely won't ever be able to sugg here because

it'd either be sis or too convoluted for anyone to vote

throw me a name of a rogue weapon and if I already touched it in recent times, I could probably comment on it

[ornate kestrel]

Nanoblack reaper

[cobalt pewter]

not yet, plus it's endgame and Ozz probably knows nanoblack reaper better than I ever will

[sleek turret]

metal monstrosity

[cobalt pewter]

actually used it on wof a while back, surprisingly caught me off guard with how powerful it is

the stealth strike is kinda mid though

it just adds like

spikes on travel I think?

it works but the ss is kinda bleh

[fervent orbit]

web ball

[cobalt pewter]

haven't used it, but the ss is lmao

[fervent orbit]

crystal piercer

[cobalt pewter]

didn't use it either, but I didn't remember the ss being anything remarkable

[[Crystal Piercer]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Crystal_Piercer

[cobalt pewter]

yeah no it's ass

lol

[stable kiln]

what is that suggestion lol

im so confused

[wide river]

It's asking for more rogue weapons to have a stealth strike like the Shinobi Blade

Idk why Vergil is there but he is Ig

[hybrid steeple]

berry delight

[glass arch]

vergil is there for an example of kinda how they would like to see it done i think

but also ???

why not just say that

[drowsy plank]

the idea this sugg is asking for isnt necessarily bad

it kinda is tho

i could rewrite this to be more valid but at the same time
do i really want to spend energy on that?

[novel belfry]

vergil stealth strike

vergil stealth strike

[lucid marsh]

Silly idea:
Armor that nullifies all your defense but when you get hit you lose money equal to the damage you took in copper coins, and only lose HP when you have no coins in your inventory

[north oracle]

Platinum = invincibility

[worldly sparrow]

we now have the coin gun armor equivalent

[lucid marsh]

Yes that's the point

[worldly sparrow]

both would be the most broken items in the game as long as you can platinum or even gold

[lucid marsh]

Granted, you'd still take like 1k damage and thus lose 10 silver per hit...

[worldly sparrow]

like really, one gold is enough for you to survive for ages on any boss

[lucid marsh]

Ok actually you need to make it cost 1 silver

Not 1 copper

[worldly sparrow]

no attack in the mod outside of ftw and gfb does 1k damage

[lucid marsh]

Nah there's no way to balance this

Unless it's the damage the attack dealt, squared?

Yeah I think that would work

[worldly sparrow]

what if it ran on gold and it was pre-hm

also make it disable like, wings when worn

just so its not absurd in hardmode

[lucid marsh]

It would cost all your resources but carry you through the game if it was this

I think

[worldly sparrow]

another way to balance it

every 10 seconds you wear the armor a random item in your hotbar gets deleted

[lucid marsh]

That's just unfun

[worldly sparrow]

you try to attack, but your weapon's gone

you try to mine, but your pickaxe is gone

[lucid marsh]

No one would ever use that

[worldly sparrow]

i totally would

filling the inventory with like 40 weapons

have to kill the boss in 6.666667 minytes

[lucid marsh]

You'd finally craft the night's edge, then it gets deleted before you even summon the boss

Now you gotta spend another 30 minutes grinding to get it again

And then oops! Its gone again

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, you dont put it in your hotbar

[lucid marsh]

You wouldn't be able to use it

At all

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, craft more of em

[lucid marsh]

Maybe play summoner and use the cursor only

[worldly sparrow]

you'd have to use chests to transport items around

[lucid marsh]

It's not a fun idea

[worldly sparrow]

well it would certainly balance nigh invincibility

[lucid marsh]

I mean I guess

I think the coins squared thing is better

[worldly sparrow]

actually what if it removed a % of coins per second but it only takes effect with at least 1 gold

[lucid marsh]

That's boring too

The damage squared thing is way better

[lucid marsh]

Ok, different thing

There are too damn many plant ores

Uelibloom should stop being a plant ore, and chlorophyte should be merged with perennial

Reaver tools would be made from terra shards and chlorophyte, and bars of life would just use chlorophyte instead of perennial bars

[north oracle]

Uelibloom is being removed

[lucid marsh]

Oh

Interesting

What's the replacement?

Just divine geodes?

[north oracle]

🤷‍♂️

[crude geode]

@torpid garnet server suggs go through @sonic torrent

[torpid garnet]

OK, sorry. Msg deleted

[crude geode]

np

[gray sluice]

probably yeah

and profaned guardians themed armor

[buoyant idol]

How did this happen while typing a suggestion?

It just decided to be on the top

[stable kiln]

a total removal would definitely not happen

a nerf to how much they drop is probably a good idea

[worthy fiber]

simply remove all npc stores

replace them all with quests

[buoyant idol]

Is that better?

[stable kiln]

that looks more plausible yeah

i cant confirm it'll be implemeneted, but i wont be against it seeing as how easy getting a very large amount of money is at many stages, even early ones

[buoyant idol]

Either way, it boosts the amount in the top 20% by increasing the sample pool.

[golden tulip]

i agree very much

i had the same idea a while ago but was too lazy to make a suggestion

[coral carbon]

#suggestions-posting message casually goes against multiple donts

[buoyant idol]

@ashen warren Impropper formatting, reversions aren't allowed, adding type D isn't allowed either.

I'd advise you to read the pins before suggesting.

[grim tusk]

Unsure if that stealth sugg is a SIS

[worldly sparrow]

its on the line imo

[sleek turret]

it's not a sis tbh

[ashen warren]

Great suggestion

[lucid marsh]

was the sentinels refight removed? That's unfortunate, it would be nice if it was included for just the first fight, or something like that

or if there was an optional difficult version of the DoG fight that has it

[buoyant idol]

They did that originally before they were removed. The sentinels aren't even related to DoG anymore.

[lucid marsh]

oh

they're not?

[coral carbon]

That... what??

That is

???

[lucid marsh]

They're at least sort related!

lore wise

[coral carbon]

tf you mean they aren't related to DoG

[lucid marsh]

well, they come from the distortion

they're not as related as they were

but they are still related

[buoyant idol]

Yes, but otherwise not really. They're just distortion creatures.

[lucid marsh]

I guess that makes sense

[coral carbon]

That is just not true ???

[buoyant idol]

How so?

[fervent orbit]

wat do u mean

[coral carbon]

where are you getting this info

[lucid marsh]

I wonder if noxus' theme will use the DoG motifs

[buoyant idol]

The lore? They don't work for DoG anymore.

[lucid marsh]

read the lore lol

[fervent orbit]

ceaseless void - slapped a "this is dogs" sticker on him, despite it being older thaan him
signus - not even related at all aside from distortion
storm weaver - same species, but doesnt even follow dog

[weary bane]

they're all distortion related but not DoG related

[lucid marsh]

yes

[fervent orbit]

this is the distortions trio relation to dog

[lucid marsh]

they come from the same alternate dimension as DoG

[buoyant idol]

Anything else tying them?

[lucid marsh]

not really

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, that's why a refight wouldn't make sense anymore.

[lucid marsh]

yeah

[buoyant idol]

Also, type D was never in game anyways.

I got the 🗜️ on my suggestion, but the title is separated. I don't see the issue.

Is it the video?

[novel belfry]

i dont think so

[fervent orbit]

how big is the file size?

[buoyant idol]

22.3, too large I assume

[coral carbon]

I think its reasonable for me to not know this (still skeptical on it) considering everything in-game still refers to them as being the sentinels of the devourer, and nowhere in the lore doc is it said that they aren't related

[fervent orbit]

@ nycro YOU FUCKING PROMISED YOU WOULD CHANGE IT YOU BI-

for legal reasons this is a joke, this is not my actual opinion on nycro

[buoyant idol]

Removed the video

[drowsy plank]

Hi, mod here who talks to all 3 of the main lore writers; they do not serve DoG and I am pretty sure there are no in game sources that call them sentinels besides.

Signus's name

i assume he hasn't been changed since he will probably be reworked all at once with his new AI and new sprite

[golden tulip]

how is that going by the way

the sprite is finished

[fervent orbit]

how is what

[golden tulip]

by the looks of it

[fervent orbit]

oh

well we saw it a while ago and it looked pretty good

but we also dont know how many animations it would have

[golden tulip]

fair

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden tulip]

recent teasers do have a history of showing resprites and then not a word of the respective npc for months

[buoyant idol]

How many suggestions are in the current batch?

[fervent orbit]

idk do i look like ik how to count

[novel belfry]

Weirdest one is this
https://twitter.com/CalamityModTeam/status/1660799502079389699

Calamity Mod🌳 (@CalamityModTeam)

Check out the new resprite for the Desert Scourge, coming soon to a Calamity Mod near you! 😊

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Twitter · May 23, 2023, 12:07 AM

desert scourge still doesnt have this sprite

[golden tulip]

that is also the one i was thinking of

[novel belfry]

which is weird... because unless they're doing A LOT OF animations with this sprite, this otherwise seems completely done

[buoyant idol]

Fair, I can only count up to 4

[novel belfry]

an yet its not in the game

there's probably a few animations, has to be the only explanation i can think of

[worldly sparrow]

well currently sunken sea rework is higher priority and is bigger

than ds resprite

[golden tulip]

im pretty sure they havent even started on sunken sea

and ds resprite is seemingly finished

[fervent orbit]

iirc theyre writing down concrete ideas now

[lucid marsh]

the desert should gradually transition into the sunken sea and there should be ruins of buildings between the two areas

[golden tulip]

anxiously awaiting the day astral gets reworked

by far the most interesting and most potential imo

[buoyant idol]

I personally think the Crag would be most interesting, an abandoned city with a lava forest is pretty cool.

[sleek turret]

i'd like to see plague lab one day become a big lab with plague liquid filled containers and honey draining systems

[buoyant idol]

PBG inactive inside would be a cool thought.

[golden tulip]

plague expansion would be very interesting too even if it isnt part of the biome reworks

surely they are also planning on that

[buoyant idol]

Plague Subworld

[golden tulip]

i will forever mourn the cool mist subarea that was scrapped from planned reworked crags

[buoyant idol]

That was scrapped?

The mist sea?

[golden tulip]

yea all that concept art

it was iban's

[buoyant idol]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

This is worse than

[golden tulip]

exactly

[buoyant idol]

What is even

Where did it come from

[golden tulip]

i think danny made it a long time ago

it was some projectile iirc?

[novel belfry]

i think the worst part of the planned reworked crags was there WAS A GODDAMN COMMUNITY CONTEST TO ADD SHIT

[coral carbon]

I will similarly mourn the Desert Graveyard

[novel belfry]

and they HAD THE BEST POSSIBLE WINNER

[bright crag]

Mayne because we're busy doing other things, some more voluntarily than others

[novel belfry]

And NOW WE CANT EVEN HAVE THE AUTOSMITH ANYMORE EVEN THOUGH HE'S PERFECT

[bright crag]

We have

[sleek turret]

i love inside dev drama gotta be one of my favorite genders 🙏 (this is a joke, obviously)

[bright crag]

What I'll miss most about Crags rework will be the area concepts themselves

[golden tulip]

ah. well that is good to hear

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, afaik theres alr a few finished sprites for the rework

none public

[buoyant idol]

Me omw to join the dev team and make way too many ideas (I cannot make concept art and can only code in python)

[sleek turret]

brainstorming, essentially

[buoyant idol]

I can only brainstorm, I will be a great asset to the team

[golden tulip]

you can brainstorm but can you braincalm

[worldly sparrow]

the braincalm before the brainstorm

[buoyant idol]

I have a brainhurricane

It is a catagory 5

Its name is Jimmithew

[crude geode]

The last line of this sugg sounds like a shitpost

[bright crag]

Sunken Sea Overhaul is the next major content update

It got delayed a solid bit because of 1.4 port > dev Exodus (ideas back to square one) > 1.4.4 port

[golden tulip]

pattern recognition tells me there will be another dev exodus

and then 1.4.5 port

[crude geode]

That would require the 1.4 port to be related to dev exodus

but it was related to drama/management iirc

[bright crag]

[bright crag]

Yeah

And communication issues

[golden tulip]

communication do be hard

[buoyant idol]

Should boss relics be moved to Death Mode? Revengence is the intended difficulty, but drops the challenge trophies.

It'd also fix the lack of rewards from death mode (Just Gael's and Levi)

[golden sonnet]

Good.

Death mode shouldn't have exclusive rewards. And calamity has moved away from difficulty locked items

[buoyant idol]

The only death reward that is useful anymore is Gael, which I don't think can be changed.

I think relics are a good move since they're just vanity.

[glass arch]

no relics are fine in rev

[drowsy plank]

relics should drop in expert

[golden sonnet]

Unironically true

[drowsy plank]

gael's only exist because the donor requested it only be dropped by the strongest version of scal which i can respect

it's a nice capstone to the difficulty

[frail mantle]

gael's is a dev item innit

[wide river]

Yea

[drowsy plank]

dev, dedicated, donor

they're all donors items to me

*donor items (derogatory)

[fervent orbit]

a dev item is just a donor item that can be post yharon

[crude geode]

Devs are just donos that donate time instead of money

[wide river]

So true

[golden sonnet]

My brain is expanding rn

[grave zinc]

@wet gust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make that Astral Beacon can't spawn near NPC or Chests]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lament phoenix - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make every post Moonlord Summon helmet/armor grant 1 sentry slot]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Uelibloom Bars be crafted at Ancient Manipulator instead of a Hardmode Forge]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move Golden Furniture to the Pirate's Shop]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Old Power Cell]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@sleek turret - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Credit Devs In A More Visible Way]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@unreal orbit - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Calamity's Astral Infection Vines Be Affected By Player Movement Or Wind]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@cobalt heath - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Meld Construct's]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[unreal orbit]

Yay

[wide river]

Results are as expected

[worldly sparrow]

alright

[buoyant idol]

I wonder the reasoning behind this

[sleek turret]

YIPP

IEEE

[buoyant idol]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[wide river]

Likely something to do with balancing

[crude geode]

^^^^

Summoner is barely able to BEGIN balancing it’s base with whips, let alone adding sentry slots to every post ml armor

[glass arch]

[ripe owl]

[hollow idol]

balance torment

might be of more interest to just remove the slot from stardust

[tired haven]

keep it in as red herring for any balance issues

[livid coral]

Add MOREmeld bars

[ripe owl]

Ture

[livid coral]

ADD EVERYTHING. AND THE KITCHEN SINK

[sleek turret]

meld vanity set + furniture

[deft yew]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

[deft yew]

…temporarily, right? I really think that would be a bad change to make in the long term

Bandaging things until minions get worked out is perfectly fine

[wide river]

Plot twist: "Thank You" now drops at a 100% chance from every boss

[hybrid steeple]

another w for crafting material bloat 💯

[halcyon zealot]

How generous, stopping at every boss . . .

[wide river]

True...
Make everything drop it including tiles and enemies

[halcyon zealot]

[royal tapir]

Me after opening the Starter Bag and getting 10 Thank You paintings, just to place it in every potential base for good measure

[hybrid steeple]

trolled

[halcyon zealot]

[wide river]

Replace every item with "Thank You" so people must read it

Ok I'm done being stupid (for now)

[hybrid steeple]

rename calamity mod to the thank you mod

[wide river]

REAL

[fervent orbit]

oh yea

i havent

wait

@royal tapir congrats on getting reaction perms

[royal tapir]

[wide river]

Now you can have every message you make reacted to with

[fervent orbit]

make sure to leak dev plans regularly

[royal tapir]

Smiting this guy off the face of the Earth

[buoyant idol]

Just give us red herrings and deny good suggestions

Exclamation ok suggestions last second so they just get deleted

[fervent orbit]

done. herring staff summons during april fools will have a red tint to them

[buoyant idol]

[wide river]

Surprised this hasn't been done yet tbh

[frosty trellis]

Oh shit CIT is a dev? Gratz but when did that happen lmao

[fervent orbit]

today

[glass arch]

yep

[fervent orbit]

shouldve picked me smh

[glass arch]

i was one of the first people to notice in balance thread i think

[royal tapir]

There hasn't been enough time to cause chaos

(is trash)

[wide river]

[glass arch]

🔥🖊️

[deft yew]

back up a minute HUH

[fervent orbit]

wat

is this ur first time noticing?

[deft yew]

yes?

[fervent orbit]

🐌

[royal tapir]

I don't blame him

[fervent orbit]

i do

[deft yew]

i'm sure you do

[oblique geyser]

Wait since when is cit a dev

[fervent orbit]

t o d a y

actually

it isnt today for me

it was yesterday now

[oblique geyser]

@royal tapir very epic

[cobalt pewter]

right click while holding thank you painting to reenact Terraria ending but with Cal staff

[fervent orbit]

is this an omori reference?

omori reference?

like

the game omori

the one that has basil

basil?

basil is part of dones pfp

[oblique geyser]

Idk it's just a funny gif

[fervent orbit]

holy shit it all connects together

[fervent orbit]

wow

[ripe owl]

Wait how did this pass?

Isn't it specific?

[worldly sparrow]

nobody was sure if it was

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/monument-mythos-reaction-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-honest-reaction-meme-gif-14192779957177116525

[halcyon zealot]

It is... but also it's kinda cool 😎

[novel belfry]

vergil stealth strike suggestion is odd, but vergil stealth strike sounds fire ngl

i didn't even know shinobi blade did that, but damn

[drowsy plank]

it is weird

[cobalt pewter]

the reason you don't realize is because it looks ass

it doesn't have enough flair to be noticeable

plus it just tends to miss unless the enemy is a tall walnut

[novel belfry]

if you like gave it cool slice effects

it'd probably be noticable

(i didn't realize this cause i never used shinobi blade)

[cobalt heath]

what the

[stable kiln]

just removing a material thats the main thing in a lot of recipes isn't so simple fun fact

[ripe owl]

Replace it with the Meld Blobs ez

😎

[halcyon zealot]

[cobalt heath]

ah

[sand marlin]

Oh so basically

Too much work for a little change

[cobalt heath]

ah

Yeah cus it changes over 20 recipes

[lucid marsh]

it is weird that meld blobs and meld constructs are a thing

[frail mantle]

i think i remember an idea thrown around in here about making the blobs the material and the consruct the meld brick equivalent

but that would require tile sheeting

[cobalt heath]

yep

[stable kiln]

not necessarily

it's just not really a removal of a material only

[lucid marsh]

Item bloat is annoying

[stable kiln]

because it would need something different to act as the meld blobs, and all that goes along with it for the genesis gear

meld constructs I guess don't need to exist, it could be just meld blobs

but it's a bit more than "just change it"

[lucid marsh]

That's what I meant

Remove constructs and make everything use the blobs

[crude geode]

I mean isn’t that. what the sugg was suggesting

[sand marlin]

Yeah

[sand marlin]

It's a weird theming thing I guess

Constructs can't drop from enemies since that would make no sense

But blobs aren't the main material

Well, it can be with Stardust

Without stardust though it wouldn't be the same as construct therefore it makes it different and not consistent

Imo it should just be
Construct gone
Replace Construct recipes with Meld Blob + Stardust

[crude geode]

Why does it need stardust

[sand marlin]

Because meld constructs

The main material is still constructs but in this way the construct doesn't actually exist, it's just ignored in terms of recipes so you don't have to see it at all

Ignored in the process since its materials are used as that would be the same recipe with just one less step

[fervent orbit]

meld is more like an ore

[crude geode]

Currently

[fervent orbit]

it just happens that you dont need to leave the surface

like at all

[crude geode]

And also it’s trying to be the fifth fragment (and failing spectacularly)

[cobalt heath]

yeah which if I could I would just suggest reworking meld entirely

which is most likely on dev radar

cus the current system is just a bandaid

[stable kiln]

yeah admittedly I was a bit confused

[cobalt heath]

Just wanted to make blobs align w other frags

cus there is no reason to have constructs as a middleman

[serene tendon]

Would probably be simpler coding-wise if they removed blobs and made constructs drop from enemies

[sand marlin]

This doesn't sound bad ngl

Well, there is one problem

You start from cobalt and build up to hallowed from pre mechs to post mechs

If you take hallowed and put that in post 1 mech that would be very weird

It doesn't exactly work

[royal tapir]

Why does this suggestion want to make Hallowed Ore less relevant because “no one mines it anyways”

Also Hallowed Repeater is actually stronger than Chloro Shotbow right now

[fervent orbit]

hallow has better weapons, chloro has better armour

[golden tulip]

wdym nobody does that

i always mine hallowed ore

B is not a good argument

[golden sonnet]

I never mine the ore, it is always way slower than just killing a mech

[golden tulip]

wait if they plan to remove perennial can you theoretically move chlorophyte to post plant

[fervent orbit]

hallow was moved to post mechs 3 to literally be a counterpart to chlorophyte

why do people want to not have this

[buoyant idol]

Perhaps it’s because Chlorophyte is such a large set and in essence is the next tier due to the pickaxe axe.

[golden sonnet]

We could make cholophyte used in the pickaxe axe to better show they are on tier

[bright crag]

We don't plan on removing Perennial
Just possibly some of the Perennial items, and reworking the set

[worthy fiber]

still gonna be plant themed?

[bright crag]

Plant themed? Yes
Though ideally not an ore
And/or tiershifted, there was also that suggestion

We haven't decided yet

[drifting chasm]

wonder if the plague will be moved around, or have its trigger changed from Golem so that it can make sense lore wise

for now, why does golem release the plague like

[worldly sparrow]

something something killing strong foes reverses magic hiding stuff from you, something something

[drifting chasm]

just realized that's like the explanation for every ore being released after a boss lmao

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

its dumb but theres not anything better i can think of

[fervent orbit]

there isnt

its literally just a coincidence

[sick belfry]

||gameplay doesn't equal lore, always keep that in mind. in lore all ores are already present||

[drifting chasm]

Im just saying that it wouldn't be a horrible idea if gameplay was changed to be more lore friendly, UNLESS its at the cost of fun

[sick belfry]

there is to much to change to make the game relate to lore

HM and even post ML bosses would be around in pre hard mode

things like plague, astral infection and others would already be in play

ect

[modern rapids]

lore accurate terrarian getting 1 tapped by plague enemies after making it to the jungle in early game

[sick belfry]

I also could see some plague enemies be weaker

also tortoise in pre hm

launches at you and boom, gone

[bright crag]

Plague being post-Golem is pure gameplay

Hopefully we can change Plague's activation to something more in line with lore

[buoyant idol]

Hardmode perhaps? Ancient spirits messing with it and activating it again seems like a good idea in lore, not so much on gameplay though.

A retier could happen since post golem has so much going on.

[deft yew]

is there any tier in hardmode that doesn't have so much going on

insanely bloated portion of the game

[buoyant idol]

Post cultist?

[deft yew]

[wide river]

Post Cultist is such a short span of the game that ironically you'd want not that much content around it, considering any gear you get there would be used for a total of 1 boss

Or idk, maybe I'm just thinking poorly, I just woke up

[buoyant idol]

Would plague fit post moonlord? It’d replace uelibloom once that happens for post ml jungle.

[hybrid steeple]

no??

[sick belfry]

in lore plague and astral infection already happened

[hybrid steeple]

astral infection isnt there in phm for a reason (it literally isnt there)

[glass arch]

yeah i mean deus loot is only used for ml
the only thing you unlock from deus that you keep post moon lord and thats deific amulet

[hybrid steeple]

we see the meteor land ingame

[sick belfry]

ok, different from in lore

[glass arch]

no

[sick belfry]

astrum astrues isn't new I thought

like in lore it's already built years ago

[hybrid steeple]

it is newly infected

[glass arch]

in lore the meteor doesnt fall until wof dies

[hybrid steeple]

it had a different purpose before it was infected

but it getting astralled is a new development

[sick belfry]

oh, ig not astral infection my b

plague yes,

astral no

[lucid marsh]

plague was created a while ago but was activated, or reactivated, recently

[modern rapids]

maybe lihzahrds found a way to contain the plague with golem

[serene tendon]

True Excalibur moment.

[serene tendon]

That would be cool, very Hollow Knight-esque

[lucid marsh]

has anyone else noticed that there just aren't wulfrum doors or platforms in the mod?

[fervent orbit]

yes

[lucid marsh]

then I hope my suggestion is implemented

[wide river]

You'll still be waiting a while for it to actually be implemented even if it passes in voting
Spriting

[regal willow]

🙏

[lucid marsh]

great...

any suggestions for replacements for those two objects?

martian stuff looks sort of similar

steampunk stuff looks ok

[drowsy plank]

use paints

[lucid marsh]

I can but paint is pain

[crude geode]

with a t

[sleek turret]

you just gotta

experiment

[fiery birch]

Uhhh I know its neither discussion, nor anyhow significant suggestion, and yes I know its wrong channel, buuut is it possible to make newest vanilla biome sight potion be craftable with blood orbs, like other potions?

As well as adding few shimmer interactions

(Im too lazy on figuring out how to post in suggestion channel, sorry)

[wide river]

You could definitely ask for Biome Sight Potions to be crafted with Blood Orbs, yea

[halcyon zealot]

Just have a title, then shift+enter for space then add some context

Check out the other suggestions to see the format

[wide river]

For this specific suggestion, you could probably do something like...

**Add a Blood Orb recipe for Biome Sight Potions**

As the title, anyway

Then you just need to provide some reasoning for why that should be implemented

Maybe say something like "This would allow for consistency with other potion recipes, as nearly every other potion has a Blood Orb recipe except for this one."
I might just be nitpicking but the suggestion feels a bit empty at the moment

[halcyon zealot]

W sugg

[halcyon zealot]

Na it's all g how it is
Devs'll understand

[worldly sparrow]

honestly i like this sugg

short, gets to the point, useful if implemented

[bright crag]

Agreed

[buoyant idol]

Tbh the suggestion feels like a bug fix

[crude geode]

Oversight

Is what it is

[buoyant idol]

Currently 13 Suggestions in voting, this is going to be a large batch

[wide river]

Definitely not as large as that other one
8 suggestions in the top 20% implies that there were 40 suggestions that batch

[buoyant idol]

I've been posting suggestions to try and make this batch larger, hopefully we get close to 40

[crude geode]

That can easily backfire

[buoyant idol]

True, we don't want things people don't want getting in

[wide river]

The dang Shinobi Blade suggestion is doing better than I would have thought
Half the reasoning is "it would be cool" and Vergil is still just there
Seriously how did it reach voting

[buoyant idol]

Improve an AI that's worse than zombies? No

Add DMC to Calamity? Yes

To be fair, I do think having a flurry stealth strike would be kinda cool.

[crude geode]

Truly a one in a thousand sugg

[buoyant idol]

Time to find the other 150 suggestions just like it

[crude geode]

I should write up a sugg about how I hate cal mage that will instantly get deleted

Cuz cal mage has no identity thanks to circumstances and it pisses me off immensely

[buoyant idol]

Tried mage, least favorite class

[crude geode]

Mage in vanilla at least has an identity tho

[buoyant idol]

I strongly dislike vanilla mage

[crude geode]

It’s (mostly) unique obtainment methods and complexity when compared to ranged

Almost none of it’s drops are crafted, and each of them tends to be more unique than your typical vanilla ranged weapon

[buoyant idol]

True, on paper it's amazing and getting the items are fun. The gameplay is just bad due to mana.

I did enjoy having to go out of my way for items like the Razorpine and Specter Staff.

[buoyant idol]

Any particular one you liked? I think the crystal serpent is a fun one.

[crude geode]

Rainbow Gun and Magnet Sphere

Mostly for their weapon complexity

Crystal Serpent and Demon Scythe take the crown for obtainment method

[buoyant idol]

Magnet sphere is so fun, wish it had a little more playtime.

[wide river]

I have fond memories of Nightglow and Laser Machine Gun
They're not the most mechanically involved weapons, but I just like them

[crude geode]

Night glow is also very fun

[buoyant idol]

Why demon scythe? I found it to be pretty basic.

[crude geode]

It’s a basic weapon drop that can also be gotten at the start of the game if you’re willing to brave it

[buoyant idol]

I found it to be good, but my post golem memories of mage are terrible.

[buoyant idol]

Progression breaking

[crude geode]

It also has one of the more unique firing methods, especially in pre-hm

[buoyant idol]

Now let's discuss what Calamity mage weapons are fun.

[crude geode]

The old upgrade to nebula arcanum they removed

[buoyant idol]

Aetherflux was satisfying I'd say.

[crude geode]

[buoyant idol]

Still mad about that one

[wide river]

Stratus Sphere?

[crude geode]

Yep

[buoyant idol]

Time to propose an upgrade to the Nebula Arcanum at post polterghast tier

[wide river]

Ghastly Visage

[crude geode]

It was literally the best mage weapon and they axed it over any of the dozen generic books

[buoyant idol]

Ghastly visage should've gotten cut instead

[cobalt pewter]

I always said including a wacky gif will get you voted to hell and back

I remembered my old Murasama sugg that features a gif

[crude geode]

Neat design that worked well as a supporting weapon

[cobalt pewter]

there's a serious lack of galaxy aesthetic weapons

Stratus Sphere was pretty good before the AotC line was reworked

[buoyant idol]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Stratus_Sphere#/media/File:Stratus_Sphere_(demo).gif Seriously, this was fun

How do I embed gifs?

[cobalt pewter]

idk

[wide river]

Download the gif and post it iirc

[crude geode]

It still would be great today tbfh

Much better than half the generic fast firing weapons we have

(I hate aetherflux I hate aetherflux)

[cobalt pewter]

that is true

[fervent orbit]

love how it got resprited and everything just to be deleted one major update later

[wide river]

We await the return of our beloved Stratus Sphere someday

[cobalt pewter]

AotC line is peak galaxy aesthetic atm, but Stratus Sphere is still really good

[buoyant idol]

This gets to stay in instead https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Icicle_Trident

[cobalt pewter]

I tend to not mourn removals as it's a necessary thing

but Stratus Sphere imo is the only removal in the entire mod history that is undeserved

[crude geode]

I can’t remember why it was removed

[cobalt pewter]

it just is

[buoyant idol]

I strongly agree, everything else could've been removed without fuss but that is just dumb.

[cobalt pewter]

I don't remember a reason

[buoyant idol]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Shifting_Sands Peak mage:

[cobalt pewter]

hell, dumb shit like lorde is brought back for GFB because haha yes

but Stratus Sphere, a legitimately Good weapon, is gone

I strongly dislike GFB cal (not more than Malice mind you) probably because of that

[wide river]

If only we could suggest to bring stuff like this back but alas not

[cobalt pewter]

I mean, if we got the connection, we don't need to fuss with this stupid sugg system

too bad my strongest connection with cal devs is not a dev anymore

(love ya though, dom)

[buoyant idol]

Just make a suggestion that asks for a nebula arcanum upgrade, propose post polterghast.

[cobalt pewter]

made with stratus materials

okay that's specific

but still

[buoyant idol]

Only other thing in the mod I'm not happy about is the Bloody Edge not becuase it was cool but I just like the sprite.

[fervent orbit]

just be a donor that asks for a nebula arcanum upgrade that is good on release

[cobalt pewter]

imagine being a donor and going "yeah bring this shit back as it was before, trust"

[fervent orbit]

if u dont understand the reference then L

[wide river]

[cobalt pewter]

I eat Ls for breakfast dw

[buoyant idol]

[crude geode]

I might accentuate this point with like. gifs of inferno fork alongside it’s copies

But am on mobile for rn

[cobalt pewter]

or shadowflame hex doll

[crude geode]

Shadowflame hexdoll

Literally the most unique weapon from the goblin summoners and it becomes the most generic thing

[buoyant idol]

Shadowflame knife being my favorite weapon:

[cobalt pewter]

the issue is that they barely wanna do anything with the concept

all the way from Eldritch Tome to Augur it's the exact same attack

[buoyant idol]

They added an extra super tentacle for Tome of Fates

[cobalt pewter]

ah YES

the singular extra tentacle that does nothing but inflict a debuff

woo!

[crude geode]

Something super mechanically different

Definitely gonna change the playstyle with the weapon

[buoyant idol]

Make it grab enemies and swing them around like an angry kraken, this will be easy to code.

[wide river]

Boy do I love me some untouched Calamity assets from 5-6 years ago
Cynicism aside I know that stuff is getting worked on slowly

[cobalt pewter]

even something as simple as the tentacles coming from the cursor and aimed towards you would be massively more interesting than any of the hex doll copies we have

[buoyant idol]

That's not even a bad idea

Add a sweet spot in the middle where they connect for bonus damage and you got a cool weapon.

[cobalt pewter]

or have it be more ravenous the closer they can to reach you, which in turn encourages you to work it along close to midrange to maximize the aggression of the tentacles

it's just

guh

[crude geode]

Aetherflux is definitely one of my most hated weapons in cal

[wide river]

Rapid projectile spam weapons are

[cobalt pewter]

it's just so odd that a genuinely good weapon is removed in favor of multiple copies with the solemn hope of them getting reworked in, let's see...

7 years at least

[crude geode]

Exemplifies the lazy mechanical and unoriginal design covered by cool looking sprites (that can be put on ANYTHING else)

[buoyant idol]

When Yharim is released, the weapons will be reworked.

[frosty trellis]

Unbased

Aetherflux Cannon my beloved

[crude geode]

I understand that the classes have to be simplified when you’re going for this big of a mod, but it feels like nothing has been given to mhage in exchange for butchering it’s identity

[cobalt pewter]

I think you two have super conflicting interests in the game I wouldn't be surprised if you two would throw hands over this

[buoyant idol]

It's visually interesting enough

[cobalt pewter]

so I'd recommend no

[frosty trellis]

It's actually one of the better mage weapons imo since I like the dual helix and wall piercing (Wall piercing on Scal MY BELOVED) while not being like, a direct upgrade to everything with the same functionality

[buoyant idol]

My favorite, m

[frosty trellis]

Mage needs a way better identity yes

But Aetherflux is NOT a good example of that

[wide river]

Mage hater vs Mage lover
Round 1 FIGHT

[frosty trellis]

Helium Flash is on the same tier and a WAY better example of that

Since it's just the second inferno fork upgrade

[crude geode]

It’s why I bring helium flash up more often

[frosty trellis]

And Yermes is the 3rd or 4th last prism in post moonlord

[buoyant idol]

Helium Flash just flashbangs the player now, visually interesting

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Bc people can defend that one less even tho the same principles apply to aetherflux

[crude geode]

I love mage believe it or not

[buoyant idol]

I think it's flawed

Alright it's war time

[vocal grotto]

Admittedly, it's light years ahead of the original rendition which was basically just Laser Machinegun again and consequently was only used by a grand total of three people

[crude geode]

It’s still in the Bronze Age compared to shit like AoTC or anything rogue has

[cobalt pewter]

nah, definitely not anything rogue

[frosty trellis]

Aetherflux does not have the same functionality as Purge Guzzler and Nano Purge tbf

Especially bc of Aetherflux having wall pierce and it beind double helix so there is a bit of positioning that helps it especially on stuff like SCal's hearts so there is at least something going for it, unlike Helium Flash and Yermes where there is literally nothing going for it

[vocal grotto]

tbf that's like, the majority of the mod content in general

[cobalt pewter]

cue sticky spiky balls

it's as basic as you can be

just your good ol spiky balls but now it sticks

[buoyant idol]

The sparks from Helium:

[cobalt pewter]

wow

game design

[wide river]

For now we have to trust that it gets better
Doesn't stop anyone from griping about it

[frosty trellis]

I still think that out of everything Aetherflux is not at all the weapon that needs a rework into a better identity

There are
Way more weapons that need it before Aetherflux does

[vocal grotto]

Oh, I agree
Just amusing to point out

[buoyant idol]

There needs to be a giant poll of what's the worst weapon in calamity and the "loser" gets removed

[crude geode]

God no

[vocal grotto]

I do like the idea of Helium on principle
Just that the execution hasn't aged all that well. Dust fire explosions aren't really considered the paragon of graphical fidelity these days

[frosty trellis]

It's gonna be a donor weapon trust

[coral carbon]

this can literally only go poorly

[wide river]

People will vote AotC for the memes

[buoyant idol]

AotC just gets removed

[coral carbon]

Why do people not like Ark of the Cosmos

[cobalt pewter]

that's honestly true

I guess I'm still a bit salty Stratus Sphere is removed when it's a beacon of design compared to copies up until at least 7-8 years since this message

[frosty trellis]

People don't like the fact they have to use their brain

[wide river]

Because "the old one was better" or some stupid reason

[coral carbon]

its such a fun weapon though ????

😭

[frosty trellis]

It's a lot of fun

[buoyant idol]

To be fair, Ataraxia fails in being a consistant homing weapon.

[frosty trellis]

People just liked their braindead homing option

[coral carbon]

wasn't the old one just generic broadsword #200

[wide river]

Calamity players like unga bunga homing so anything more complex is pain

[cobalt pewter]

truly a not exoblade moment

[pine star]

yes

[pine star]

dumb idea:
stormtrooper blaster
a weapon that homes away from enemies

[deft yew]

this is definitely not just applicable to weapons

[crude geode]

Yeah

[wide river]

[deft yew]

[crude geode]

But everyone harps on that

[cobalt pewter]

has a chance to home into and damage you as well

[crude geode]

With accessories and armors being an extremely frequent talk in here

[vocal grotto]

That's part of the reason I made Exoblade what it was
Fulfills the old "Projectiles go ZOOOOOM" mechanic that makes the monke brain do neuron activation
I can appreciate both sides of the isle tbh, though naturally the braindead homing option should be lesser in terms of efficiency to those that require a degree of brain usage

[buoyant idol]

I acutally have an idea for that where it invert homes but deals super good damage after half a second

[deft yew]

i was gonna throw another idea out and then i realized it's just Gatligator

[cobalt pewter]

which is why I find the reworks in this update really amusing

these accs needed reworks and their mechanisms have been interesting so far (okay I only tried OD Scales and Sabaton so far but you get the idea)

[buoyant idol]

Gatligator my be

[wide river]

Blazing Core and Absorber are really good too
(Sabatons are poggers now)

Used Sabaton in an Old Duke nohit the other day

[deft yew]

[throw out the name of basically any vanilla weapon that's not an ore melee] my beloved

testing makes me appreciate vanilla weapons a lot more

[coral carbon]

shout out to ore melees, gotta be one of the least useful weapons out there

like who tf makes an adamantite broadsword 💀

[deft yew]

i eventually started calling placements after testing a weapon on less than half the bosses i'm supposed to

because THEY'RE ALL THE SAME

[crude geode]

This newest sugg sounds like an oversight more than anything

[cobalt pewter]

I have lower standards for vanilla so I'm easily amused by anything it adds

[wide river]

"Please make me Cobalt Sword, please make me an Orichalcum Halberd"
-Statements dreamt up by the utterly deranged

[cobalt pewter]

like the phaseblade rework

[deft yew]

phaseblade throw

[pine star]

iirc that slows enemies so it has some use?

[deft yew]

but tbh, i'm not calling it a rework unless the regular swing also changes

[frosty trellis]

Hey @dawn trellis Have you looked at Blazing Core

[deft yew]

it slows enemies
this effect accomplishes literally nothing on bosses

[frosty trellis]

It does and the buff was reworked

[cobalt pewter]

I mean while the main swings seem to be the same, it practically is a brand new weapon as the broadsword formula is a blank slate to me

so yeah am counting it as a rework

and I'll probably ignore the main swing altogether

[deft yew]

did i mention i hate broadsword swing style

[cobalt pewter]

saaaame

[buoyant idol]

@jovial forge Not allowed, suggested frequently

[deft yew]

if broadsword style was usable and intuitive, shortswords would not have to exist period

[cobalt pewter]

and shortswords no longer exist beyond preboss (unless you're the weirdo that counts Starlight as shortsword (I am the weirdo))

[coral carbon]

"Please make me Gold Shortsword, please make me a Tungsten shortsword"
-Statements dreamt up by the utterly deranged

[jovial forge]

darn

[crude geode]

“Please buy me a ruler”

[buoyant idol]

Ruler would be good pre-boss

It's just a worse version of the screwdriver

[pine star]

Ele Shiv died?

[frosty trellis]

Lucrecia, Ele Shiv, Galileo Gladius and Cosmic Shiv are the only shivs that live

[cobalt pewter]

whose

[wide river]

Aquatic Discharge and Submarine Shocker

[cobalt pewter]

okay I was only thinking of vanilla

[hybrid steeple]

lucrecia

[cobalt pewter]

but I guess there are some in cal still

[frosty trellis]

Lurcrecia needs it's iframes to die SO BAD

[buoyant idol]

Cosmic Shiv will live forever

[frosty trellis]

Donor moment

[cobalt pewter]

just like how the devs are eternally bound with Normality Relocator

[buoyant idol]

Ngl Normality is good

[frosty trellis]

NR was a mistake and the devs have to live with it

[crude geode]

@royal tapir can you add stratus sphere back into the game pls

[cobalt pewter]

[buoyant idol]

The audacity

[coral carbon]

normality relocator is great for lazy bastards like me

[wide river]

If there's always something I'll admire about this channel, it's our ability to get incredibly sidetracked by a suggestion
We got here from Mage's identity sucking

[crude geode]

What mage identity

Mage has an identity?

[wide river]

TRUE

[frosty trellis]

It does

[cobalt pewter]

that is truly an ability

[frosty trellis]

It's called: A mechanic that actively harms it

[buoyant idol]

How did I even get roped up here? I'm supposed to be recording minecraft tutorials like a [Insert chad or nerd here]

[crude geode]

Ranged when it

[royal tapir]

Just wait, like, 7 years

[crude geode]

The classic

[frosty trellis]

Ammo breaks everything way more than it hurts the 99% of players that care about it's limited source past the first 20 minutes

[cobalt pewter]

GOD

[coral carbon]

JOD*

[buoyant idol]

*Cod

[frosty trellis]

Devourer of Cods

[cobalt pewter]

shut up janondorf

[buoyant idol]

Quick, hatch a plan to glitch out suggestion bot and add a suggestion asking for it back in voting

[crude geode]

Ammo is a badly implemented mechanic tho, just like mana

[cobalt pewter]

the truly big brain way is to sugg when the mods and devs are sleeping

[frosty trellis]

It doesn't actively hurt the class it helps it way more
Mana actively hurts mage

[wide river]

So true

[buoyant idol]

Mana should just be removed

[cobalt pewter]

ammo and mana bad

stealth stays based

[buoyant idol]

I will sneak into their houses and give them copies of Ultrakill to distract

[crude geode]

Shut up rogue salesman

[bright crag]

I really get the feeling that this is asking for too much

[crude geode]

Aw fuck

[bright crag]

Like
This is multiple weapon reworks

[crude geode]

Caught

[cobalt pewter]

good idea

[bright crag]

But, as a Mage fan
The intention is appreciated

[drowsy plank]

lmao how was this ever going to get through

[ashen warren]

it wasn't

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

^

[wide river]

If freaking Vergil got through then this had a small chance

[bright crag]

Cal really does have some pretty samey Mage weapons

[drowsy plank]

i regret letting the vergil one through but ive been busy and was super tired when that one happened

[crude geode]

I mainly wanted to see if any devs commented that they had plans for it or if it was after the 500 set reworks

[bright crag]

We just need someone to rework them

[pine star]

cursed being was attempting to make this sugg when the mods/devs were all asleep

[bright crag]

I would... if I knew how to code
I'm learning

[cobalt pewter]

I mean this sugg doesn't have wacky gifs, so it has way less chance to get around

[buoyant idol]

I will put the mods in cryosleep for 24 hours so we can sneak it through

[crude geode]

I was going to add wacky gifs after work

Byeah

[coral carbon]

still upsets me how that got through

[crude geode]

Mage just fundamentally has a broken identity and I’d like to see that somehow addressed at least in terms of what their identity would be going forward

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

proof that wacky gif works

[buoyant idol]

Speaking of broken identity, where did this go?

[cobalt pewter]

into the 👍 hell

[crude geode]

I love how immediately after that you have “buff player debuff weapons”

An actually implemented sugg mind you

[cobalt pewter]

so true

[crude geode]

Albeit in a tiny ass way

But it’s something!

[wide river]

👍 when it marks a suggestion for perma-limbo
I jest, of course

[coral carbon]

fr why are there two that function the exact same and drop no matter the world evil

[wide river]

Add Hallowed variant from Queen Slime that functions the same

[crude geode]

So true

[bright crag]

Goozma Staff

[crude geode]

Could you say anything about this Vetra?

Stip

However you wanna be called

[bright crag]

Whichever you prefer :p

I do agree, it does seem like Cal Mage is pretty repetitive
Dungeon weapon trio upgrades are the example
Though as someone who's been designing weapons for a bit, it's easier said than done :p
I hope to at least help with it
Learning to code would definitely help, but I barely started

[buoyant idol]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Astralachnea_Staff This, Icicle Trident or Plague Staff would be good places to start for reworks.

[bright crag]

Then again, easier said than done

Should I just drop by Dev and say "hey, please rework x weapon"?
I'm pretty sure people aren't just standing around doing nothing

[buoyant idol]

Fair, there's a ton going on.

[glass arch]

honestly

i feel like just changing the obtainment methods of mage would make it a lot more unique

[buoyant idol]

True, that's the essence of the class, being the random class that comes from anywhere.

[bright crag]

It is a bit hard to implement though
More unique obtainment methods means more unique sources

[glass arch]

it not having much complexity is fine, but nearly everything being crafted or being an upgrade to something makes it just another damage type that you dont have to pay attention to

unfortunately yeah

[bright crag]

You know, it doesn't help that designing Mage has a massive, hard-to-dodge pitfall of "hold M1" weapons that just have an unique attack pattern

[north oracle]

and the stuff that isn't is art attack

[buoyant idol]

Stuff that is art attack

[frosty trellis]

Art attack: In theory? Cool

In practice? Kill me please

Phase slayer: In theory? Cool
In practice? Kills me for me

[north oracle]

your wrist will suffer

[worldly sparrow]

honestly this is more of a flaw with terraria's combat system more than anything

all classes suffer from the issue of "hold m1" in some way

[oblique geyser]

CIT hand image

[buoyant idol]

Insert picture of highly dislocated hand xray from google here

[lucid marsh]

mage gets an identity when you use this instead of mana potions:
https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Mana_Cloak

[cobalt pewter]

this is why Stealth rogue is king

you don't really hold m1

genuinely the biggest reason I'm pulled into rogue in the first place

I was tired of holding m1 (even summoner is doing that as well with whips)

[wide river]

Just don't use whips
(I do this)

[grim tusk]

Reject whips

Embrace sentry micromanaging

[cobalt pewter]

sentry meta should be real tbh

[grim tusk]

(Whips will become real eventually)

[cobalt pewter]

it'd be funny

[pine star]

you know how there's the enchantment that makes your weapon siphon your HP?
Phaseslayer has this as an innate feature, just it's your IRL hp

[pine star]

the BTD class

[cobalt pewter]

calamity tower defense

[grim tusk]

(Oblatory which works properly half of the time (fucking holdout weapons bruh)

[lucid marsh]

it feels weird that the mega shark line and SDMG line don't converge

like, you get the seadragon from the megalodon, cool, but then you get the fetid emisis and SDMG to make their own separate thing

that feels weird

and they don't combine after into another fish gun

[wide river]

Minishark goes into the Voidragon
SDMG goes into Svantechnical

(Start-of-line to final upgrade, that is)

[lucid marsh]

yes

I know

[marble moat]

solution: give every class marksman coins and we just play ultrakill

[frail mantle]

Just play ultrakill instead of terraria at that point

[marble moat]

yeah

that's the end goal

[oblique geyser]

Ultrakill

🤮

[worldly sparrow]

no, the end goal is to play mgr in terraria

[kindred summit]

yo would it be bad to add classless oil jars that are just some bottles filled with oil or some gel and you throw em on things and it applys oil but does no damage

[worthy fiber]

slime gun in this mod functions similarly iirc

unless I'm misremembering

[stable kiln]

does yes

[kindred summit]

oh wait really? does it affect summoner damage cause if not that's awesome

[worthy fiber]

doesn't

unless they gave it a damage type 👀