suggestions-discussion

[wide river]

But only if it dropped in Master Mode

[worldly sparrow]

also the secret bosses arent actually bosses

[small timber]

Gfb is master by default

Which is what make it most funni

[worldly sparrow]

if they were boss checklist would know of their existance

[glass arch]

no

gfb moves the selected difficulty up 1 step

so if i make the world on classic its difficulty is actually expert

[small timber]

Oh, people can create classic gfb?

[glass arch]

and so on and so forth

[worldly sparrow]

making it on master makes it legendary mode

[sleek turret]

normal gfb is journey mode?

[small timber]

Classic gfb should just have spawn point covered in lava

[worldly sparrow]

true

you're a baby if you play gfb on classic

[small timber]

The entire world is just lava in classic gfb, and 50% shimmer

[worldly sparrow]

so uhh

when is this sugg getting the flaggage

[ashen warren]

true

[small timber]

But yeah a 2nd thing I want to vote for is celestial onion give you the don't starve world starving debuff on a master mode world on consumption, and you have the hunger mechanic until you die

Fitting for consuming a literal alien food that come from a cthulhu monster

[worldly sparrow]

last sugg got flag quickly where are the mods now

[ashen warren]

who knows

[worldly sparrow]

one can only wonder

[hollow shell]

Ok this suggestion actually isn't inherently invalid

Title's just gotta change to be more relevant
and the reasoning could use some more objective reasoning (potentially about the necessity for melee to have gap-closing and enemy-bouncing/pass-through utilities in order to properly make use of its short range)

[sleek turret]

best sugg title i've seen yet

[drowsy plank]

@steel minnow

[wide river]

Maybe it should bring up Phosphorescent Gauntlet as an example?

[hollow shell]

Yeah, or the Biome Blades

[steel minnow]

wassup

[hollow shell]

particularly Decay's Retort

[steel minnow]

i hate biome blades

[drowsy plank]

read rover's message i replied to

[hollow shell]

(Arid Grandeur too)

(Good for maintaining place in the air next to the boss you're hitting, especially earlygame)

Melee weps with movement abilities are good

[frosty trellis]

See

I would agree with that

If OLC wasn't one of the most busted weapons to ever exist

[wide river]

I think that's more of Old Lord Claymore having too many iframes
It's not like the entire niche of movement based weapons shouldn't exist because of one problematic one

I may be overstating that, but still

[eternal escarp]

ye its mainly for its iframes iirc

[steel minnow]

whats iframes?

[coral carbon]

invincibility frames

[wide river]

Invincibility frames, commonly shortened to iframes, are a statistic that determines the amount of time that it takes for a player or enemy to be hit again after being hit

[deft yew]

mobility melee

except OLC i hate that thing

[grim tusk]

@steel minnow remove the Tainted Judas example and place more concrete reasoning.

Atm its just “i would like if this was in the mod”

You must answer “why?” which you vaguely do

[steel minnow]

im not getting payed enough for this 😠

[cosmic karma]

neither are the devs

[worldly sparrow]

all the suggs do being flagged today (ignore mine)

[wide river]

I think it's probably time to resuggest some things

I'll put that there while I rewrite another

[hollow shell]

Auric Soul Artifact seems like pitifully weak too

You use up an entire acc slot post-Yharon to change the minion slot cost of one minion from 5 slots to 4 slots

[wide river]

Indeed, the effect is simply not worth it as it stands

[serene tendon]

Too many I-frames, too good at mobility. It completely invalidates Grav Potions potentially as early as Pre-Boss, because you can get a net gain of height with it at 0 cost.

What if OLC had SoC's mechanic where if you hit something you get propelled backwards, but on steroids? Would feel really epic imo, not sure how practical or balanced it'd be.

[hollow shell]

Or, make it so you need to land on the ground before you can charge up another dash, just like refreshing wings n double jumps

or, slightly more restrictive, making it so you can only charge up dashes if you are currently on the ground

afaik it's still like, you can charge then dash then charge then dash all while in the air, right?

[serene tendon]

I agree 100%.

I think both should be implemented, as each of our suggestions fixes a different problem.

[wide river]

You can do that, yeah

[hollow shell]

(also it shouldn't spawn homing projectiles cuz like what the hell
It already gives you crazy good air control, really good tool for hitting enemies with good spacing, why does it need that constant ranged sustained DPS?)

(The homing projs can come back for the upgrades cuz then you could at least consider it an incorporation of Bladecrest's projs)

[serene tendon]

Wait what? How have I never noticed that? That's stupid OP.

[wide river]

After one second of charging, the next use of the left-click attack causes the user to spin with the blade in the direction of the cursor, gaining immunity frames, and spawning a trail of flames. Flames home into enemies, deal 50% of the sword's damage, and inflicts the On Fire! debuff.
This is a smidge strong for a pre-Hardmode weapon

[sleek turret]

yeah that's def busted

[drowsy plank]

i respect ur sugg ench but considering it is a resub did u really think this was the best time to send it in?

[sleek turret]

why is it a bad time to sugg? is it because of sugg bot timing or smth?

[wide river]

Question: What is the problem with suggesting it now? The ❗ chain?

I can get rid of it, if you'd like

[hollow shell]

There I edited its wiki page
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Old_Lord_Claymore#Tips

I gave it glowing praise but know that it comes from a source of malice

[drowsy plank]

oh i just meant there is a LOT of activity rn

hopefully it still has room to get through, is all

[hollow shell]

That activity won't get reflected in voting cuz of all the exclams

[drowsy plank]

fair

[wide river]

It barely didn't reach the threshold last time, so I think it will be fine this time

Like I'm pretty sure it only lost out to another suggestion by single-digit votes

[sleek turret]

ench you could use uhh hyperlinks in yo sugg (this is advice)

[north oracle]

a lot of people don't and somehow call it true melee

[hollow shell]

It's not a matter of "calling it" true melee now
Calamity defines it as True melee

Even the homing star projectiles deal true melee damage cuz of how the system works now

[wide river]

Ah, another blatantly incorrect definition of true melee
Add it to the pile of Lucrecia, Ultimus Cleaver, and Galileo Gladius

[hollow shell]

yep!

[drowsy plank]

wow there like a dozen 100+ vote suggs in there rn

[sleek turret]

is it possible to like make an exception in code for it?

[drowsy plank]

yeah lol

[hollow shell]

How the flying fuck has Ultimus gotten away with being defined as True Melee for this long
Even with the recent true melee system rework, it still slipped through

It spawns five homing projectiles, on swing

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, looks like ill have to repost mine given how popular the current suggs are

[sleek turret]

maybe my sugg will need to be resposted for the second time if it doesn't pass

[north oracle]

what the fuck

[sleek turret]

although i'm still hoping it passes anyways

[drowsy plank]

erm they're short range projectiles so

this is why we need heroic so bad

[frail mantle]

i always assumed it was a meme tbh

[hollow shell]

Heroic?

[frail mantle]

i remember back when it didn't even swing

[drowsy plank]

ozz(?) idea from #1042197406776827914

[hollow shell]

Burning Sky is a meme
Ultimus I believe is an oversight

[drowsy plank]

#1042197406776827914 message

there

[odd geyser]

erm

[hollow shell]

That was actually poggers and I was just thinking about how pissed I am that that got removed

It had a function that was super situational and niche for so late in the game, you held it out and essentially grinded it against the ground like a lawnmower and it kicked up sparks as you moved
It was unique, but its usecases were too few

So they just make it a fucking vanilla broadsword

[drowsy plank]

at least it isn't phaseslayer

[hollow shell]

At least Phaseslayer isn't it I think you mean

Phase still has its poggers unique function even if it gives you muscle cramps

[glass arch]

phaseslayer is cool it just

yeah good fuckin luck not ripping your wrist off while using it

[wide river]

Now I think about it I'll post this one at the start of the next batch and repost a different suggestion I don't care as much about

[sleek turret]

when is next batch?

[drowsy plank]

id take a generic broadsword over carpal tunnel anyday sorry

as someone that can sometimes feel my hands burn after exterting myself for too long the 1.4.4 universal autofire was a godsend and i will take the shittiest weapon design over something that reduces accessibility to people for a gimmick any day

[hollow shell]

I will take a plethora of creative imaginative weapon functions that all suck for viability
over 50 vanilla broadswords that are viable

[wide river]

Friday is when the current batch is sent iirc, so I'll post it Saturday

[sleek turret]

m

[hollow shell]

Because guess what you can just not use that weapon

There are always other options

Regarding Ultimus, Cultist tier isn't exactly in a drought of melee weapons
broadsword Ultimus doesn't need to exist

[drowsy plank]

i mean

the ravager retier will be real in 5

so i have a feeling a lot of stuff is gonna change in relation to all that

[hollow shell]

Pre-DoG isn't hankering for more melee weps either

[glass arch]

i wish phaseslayers speen worked like how doze made his speen on whichever melee weapon it was in his melee reworks
as in, you can just move your mouse up and down and it works

[worldly sparrow]

years, i presume

[drowsy plank]

anarchy blade?

[wide river]

Maybe the inherent problem is that melee has more weapons than every other class in both vanilla and Calamity

[glass arch]

uhhh yeah i think so

[drowsy plank]

turn melee broadswords into rogue and summoner weapons

[hollow shell]

yeah exactly so why not make a lot more of them be weird and creative
You're guaranteed to always have a boring broadsword to fall back on

[drowsy plank]

carnage moment

[glass arch]

terraprisma

[drowsy plank]

lmao imagine if terraprisma started as a melee broadsword

that is so funny to imagine

[glass arch]

i had unironically thought it was one at first

[drowsy plank]

actually that's what should've happened in gfb you just turn it into a wood sword clone

[glass arch]

look at this shit and tell me that without any prior knowledge you wouldnt think its a normal ass broadsword

[serene tendon]

Always thought it would be cool if the sword would fuction like a whip or something at max summon slots, but that probably won't happen because Kaleidoscope exists.

[hollow shell]

my favorite will always be
This is a Magic Weapon

It upgrades into a Melee/Ranged weapon

[drowsy plank]

[north oracle]

IT'S A FUCKING BOW

[eternal escarp]

oh god this isnt even a patreon one, right.

[wide river]

Dedicated content brings pain to the community

[hollow shell]

Yeah iirc we have the donor to thank for that sword's typing

[drowsy plank]

a MAWJICK BOW

[eternal escarp]

sword is dono so idc

[north oracle]

class lines are now non-existent

[drowsy plank]

yeah only the sword is dono

[eternal escarp]

you reminding me of the bow makes me annoyed now

[hollow shell]

Cosmic Rainbow is excusable cuz it's an upgrade of Rainbow Gun which is an important vanilla magic weapon

[eternal escarp]

isnt it a pearlwood bow upgrade

[north oracle]

but why the fuck is it a bow

[hollow shell]

The ranged damage type coming in out of nowhere at the end of the crafting tree is wack-ass though

[drowsy plank]

gun (magic) > bow (magic) > sword (melee/ranged)

[glass arch]

3 very similar looking weapons and all 3 of them have different damage types

[wide river]

Rainbow Gun and Pearlwood Bow both

[hollow shell]

Right yeah true

[eternal escarp]

honestly im annoyed but the whole line seems like a perfect meme

[wide river]

That is one upscaled knife

[hollow shell]

So the ranged damage type takes a dip for Cosmic Rainbow

[north oracle]

true XD

[eternal escarp]

so it comes full circle to funny again

i changed my mind

if this line gets fixed humor is dead

[drowsy plank]

sword should upgrade into rogue/summon

[wide river]

If stuff like Burning Sky is allowed to live then Cosmic Rainbow is surely fine

[drowsy plank]

just to be safe

[eternal escarp]

make it a summoner cane
that you throw

[hollow shell]

You could consider First Fractal a summon weapon

[drowsy plank]

classy cane upgrade

[eternal escarp]

you could argue that yea

[grim tusk]

Target acquired

[eternal escarp]

an active summon weapon byea

[wide river]

[eternal escarp]

holy shit no way

[hollow shell]

for reworking or boolean changing

[eternal escarp]

likely latter short term

[grim tusk]

Latter, reworking we’ll see when Rav gets tiershifted

[errant bobcat]

Nah add a first fractal upgrade to the mod

[eternal escarp]

former long term ™️ i hope

[drowsy plank]

if you're going to target acquired ultimus please tell me yall already got galileo and lucrecia at least

[grim tusk]

:noted:

[hollow shell]

(don't hold your breath. We saw what happened to Meld)

[north oracle]

and apparently OLC

[hollow shell]

(not a tiershift but regardless significant identity change)

[grim tusk]

Well that was for lore reasons wasnt it?

[glass arch]

yes

[grim tusk]

Rav is suggestions’ doing

[hollow shell]

No I'm talking about how the Meld weapon functionalities didn't change at all

[grim tusk]

Oh right

[hollow shell]

nor armor

[eternal escarp]

meld more like

malding

[hollow shell]

mald

Mald Constructs.

[glass arch]

empyrean armor is so fucking funny

[grim tusk]

Nah that did change
Into fucking projectile vomit

[eternal escarp]

mald cuntrstruct

[drowsy plank]

woo hoo

[hollow shell]

It was already projectile vomit afaik

[glass arch]

5 different projectiles and one of em has 2 variants

[hollow shell]

Here lemme verify

[wide river]

Maybe someday Meld will be better
Someday when that can be focused on, that is

[grim tusk]

And most are reused

[eternal escarp]

itll be better but i assume its in a line

and the line is long

[wide river]

Very likely yea

[glass arch]

hold on i gotta grab a meme mpg made

[eternal escarp]

insert phupperbat quote

must fix all immediately grahhhhhh

i cant bothee getting it

[glass arch]

outdated byeah

[worldly sparrow]

damn where melee version

[hollow shell]

Yep. Projectile vomit was pre-Meld.
Before this it was all-class, in which each class spawned a different projectile. When it became rogue-only, they just made rogue spawn all the projectiles

[grim tusk]

I hate all of these

[wide river]

All that changed was a rename from Xeroc to Empyrean

[grim tusk]

At least for tarragon that will fucking die

[eternal escarp]

rogue going rogue with the proguectiles

im not sorry

[glass arch]

this was just from a discussion about rogue armors being funny as fuck in ccc so we didnt make a melee one

[hollow shell]

Yep!!!!!!!!

(and the sexy resprite)

[worldly sparrow]

xeroc armor?

[glass arch]

didnt that happen with the port

[eternal escarp]

tarragon more like tarragone

[grim tusk]

That was a nerf
I meant utter deletion

[eternal escarp]

okay im done

[grim tusk]

Death to Uelibloom!

[eternal escarp]

uelidoom

[wide river]

No no keep going

[glass arch]

oh yeah i forgor uelibloom is gonna fuckign die

[eternal escarp]

im not done

[drowsy plank]

gloom and bloom

bloom and doom

[glass arch]

@stable kiln is this your alt

[wide river]

So true

[eternal escarp]

we live in the same country

so

cojld very well

[wide river]

Coincidence? I think not

[frail mantle]

done would never be an arsonist

[eternal escarp]

how do you know..

[frail mantle]

wrong vibes

[hollow shell]

look, look, look at this
Almost all the damage numbers and percentages are still the same too

Three and a half years later

[eternal escarp]

true he isnt as hot as i am..,.,.

[glass arch]

it was revealed to me in a dream

[drowsy plank]

biofusillade type beat

[grim tusk]

[eternal escarp]

truly a squib moment

if i ever saw one

[wide river]

Empyrean armor was a mistake

[eternal escarp]

more like
a thing that got forgotten

[worldly sparrow]

they should rename meld blob to mald blob in gfb

[eternal escarp]

idk if its outright a mistake

[glass arch]

fuck it empyrean armor rework sugg

[eternal escarp]

unneeded tbh

i think everyone and their dogs knows it needs one eventuslly

[wide river]

Even if it passed it'd get into implementation hell

[glass arch]

unneeded yes but im still gonna make it

[grim tusk]

At least we have been going in an armor rework crusade

[drowsy plank]

emp rework would be like broadsword rework

[grim tusk]

Starting from pre-hm

[drowsy plank]

like we all know
we all know

[eternal escarp]

we all know

[coral carbon]

woo! yipee! i am so excited about this information!

[hollow shell]

Empyrean armor was the false prophet
Alternate Gabriel

It was supposed to be the posterchild for what cool shit you could achieve together as an art and programming team
But instead it became the posterchild for the mod's age and bloat, a damning reminder of how long something can go falling through the cracks. A 2010s mod in 2020s mod clothing.

... Biofussillade is a more egregious example though

[drowsy plank]

leaf!!

[wide river]

There we are, reposting that with a rewrite
Hopefully it does better this time, but if it doesn't, it at least serves as just another suggestion to get other suggestions to pass

[eternal escarp]

biofussilade more like bye-o-fossil-made

that doesnt land that well

sounded better in my head

[grim tusk]

Every fucking yoyo

[fervent orbit]

biofussilade is basically as interesting as blossom flux

[eternal escarp]

wrong

bloss has 2 modes

its half as interesting

[north oracle]

biofusillade is basically blossom flux

[eternal escarp]

objectively

[spark ravine]

is there any plans for statigel armor? I think it's the only pre-ML "old age" calamity armor set I have heard literally no plans for

[fervent orbit]

the 2nd mode is shit

[eternal escarp]

it does iirc

[fervent orbit]

it has plans

[north oracle]

yes, it's going to be reworked

[worldly sparrow]

rework

[wide river]

It's gonna be reworked too, once some stuff with Statis is figured out

[hollow ridge]

rework

[wide river]

The hive mind

[hollow ridge]

🤖

[hollow shell]

I remember seeing some post-22 Statigel redesigns I think

[fervent orbit]

gonna be melee summoner rogue

[eternal escarp]

it prolly wont come after aerialite's but itd come

[spark ravine]

all I need to hear, thanks

[hollow shell]

Thank you glassius

[north oracle]

"The personification of projectile spam" lmaooooooo

good suggestion

[hollow shell]

(It's especially a shame that it's the Luminite-tier armor
and the Luminite armors in vanilla have some pretty awesome set bonuses, all focused around one specific concept. Solar shield, Vortex stealth, Nebula booster, Stardust stando

while Empyrean is anything but focused
Not just the proj spam, it also has all this shit: )

[eager bobcat]

A health based bonus on the stealth class is also chunky and doesn't make much sense

[wide river]

Probably stupid idea:
What if Empyrean armor was pre-Moon Lord as a Rogue counterpart to Astral armor, and Rogue had pure Luminite as its post-Moon Lord armor

[hollow shell]

Pure Luminite sounds funny
Feels SoA-pilled, making the "throwing" class be more important / directly related to ML than the other classes

wdym counterpart to Astral though
Isn't that all-class

[wide river]

Astral has no Stealth bonus, meaning for Stealth users, you have only Hydrothermic as your armor

[hollow shell]

I see

Astral armor also fucking blows by the way but yknow

List of complaints, endless

Mod's too large
Burn it down burn it down burn it down

[worldly sparrow]

thanos snap all the bosses

its too crowded

[wide river]

The pure Luminite part wasn't really my best work but I think a Rogue armor between Golem and Moon Lord is a good idea
Though I think that's in the plans already

[north oracle]

terraria was never meant to be this big

[worldly sparrow]

just add a fourth part of the game after post-ml

[wide river]

I remember Triangle bringing it up a while back in #calamity-update-talk, though I don't remember when

[north oracle]

post yharim is now an entire section of the game with just as much content as previous stages

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, they had to add a few bosses to fill in the post yharim part

like goozma

alternatively instead of adding a 4th part to the game make a sequel to calamity mod

[hollow shell]

Fandom wiki will Become Real in 3

(even better)

[eager bobcat]

Make Calamity terraria 2

[north oracle]

lmao

[worldly sparrow]

actually better

re-add stat inflation

so people fight more bosses

foolproof

[grim tusk]

Empyryean and Daedalus rogue are fucking horrid

[wide river]

Considering how many times I've seen distaste for the Wulfrum Fishing Pole I think it's time to suggest its removal finally
It's probably not gonna pass but eh

[bright crag]

No specific plans beyond "probably gonna be Melee/Summoner/Rogue"

Yet

Because it's more complex than reworking just the set, since it's tied to Slime God and Statis

[spark ravine]

ye I figured

as long as it's getting changed at some point, it's cool

[grim tusk]

I think I have an idea for reworking Empyrean armor, but “i am limited by the technology in my time”

[drowsy plank]

very interesting what kinda of rework would be so elaborate that the current tmodloader couldnt handle it

[deft yew]

I assumed it wasn’t referring to Terraria or Tmod

[wide river]

On second thought, it can live a little longer
I've found a bigger offender

Or not whatever

New suggestion Mk1

Merge Calcium Potions with Bounding Potions

Calcium Potions are a potion that gives immunity to fall damage. However, Lucky Horseshoe is an accessory that exists in the exact same section of the game, and serves the exact same purpose. Both of them have a method that requires you to go underground (Skeleton Merchant/Ancient Bone Dust for Calcium Potions, and the Calamity crafting recipe for Lucky Horseshoe), which is a direct overlap of obtainments. While you may argue that having a potion to negate fall damage lets the player free up an accessory slot, that's not really a reason to keep it around. My personal suggestion to fix this is merging Calcium Potions with Bounding Potions, as Bounding Potions already give increased resistance to fall damage, so changing that to full immunity is hardly an issue. Also, with this solution, it won't directly clash with the Lucky Horseshoe, as Bounding Potions while slightly harder to get don't do the exact same thing as the Lucky Horseshoe.

It sucks at the moment so I would appreciate feedback

[grim tusk]

Calcium potion:
What is my purpose?

• You give ancient bone dust a use
  Oh my god

[deft yew]

Kill both of them without a second thought

Problem solved

[drowsy plank]

moving horseshoe back to the sky was so silly fr

[wide river]

So true

(Honestly "So true" applies to all three comments here)

[deft yew]

Making Fledgling Wings super rare again was the only real L 1.4.4 ever took fr

[wide river]

Only good takes in this chat so far

[glass arch]

we should add more variants of ancient bone dust

tbh

[drowsy plank]

modern bone dust

someone put that on fandom

[glass arch]

angelic bone dust

[wide river]

Primordial Bone Dust

[deft yew]

Bone Dust from the Book of Judges

[wide river]

Well I didn't see any complaints so I guess I'll suggest it

Even if it doesn't do well it'll help other suggestions get in so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lavish condor]

@naive girder That is not what the channel is used for

And suggesting about resprites isn't allowed I think

[naive girder]

whats the vision of the tyrant?

[drowsy plank]

!wiki

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Calamity_Mod_Wiki

[drowsy plank]

please use the official wiki

[wide river]

The sprite looks fine wdym

I'd argue that it's one of the better Auric-tier items sprite-wise

[naive girder]

wheres xeroc?

[grim tusk]

Somewhere in the future

[distant gyro]

god knows fandom farters may have retconned xeroc which would be kinda funny

[drowsy plank]

• Added Xeroc.
• Removed Xeroc.

herobrine lookin ass

[crude geode]

I get the impression Ench doesn’t like mage

which is fitting cuz cal mage is fucking awful

[wide river]

Where do you get that idea?

[glass arch]

as a mage main

it isnt

[crude geode]

I meant design wise but ok

[glass arch]

ok yeah design wise a lot of stuff could use a lot of work

[crude geode]

The two sentences before you bring up it being a mage weapon

especially the mindless aiming part

and also the pinned chart in #1042197406776827914 lmao

[glass arch]

mage is more balanced than all the other classes

[north oracle]

that is true

[wide river]

I don't intend to, but oftentimes Mage just shows issues
If anything I hate Ranger, but I do express my distaste for Mage more vocally

[crude geode]

Ranged and Mage are very similar in that way where they both have a broken base that cal has barely put any effort into fixing weapon wise

[glass arch]

ranger has like 2 things going for it, relative consistency and shit tons of weapons

mage has even less because it doesnt have ammo

[crude geode]

Ammo and Mana both being neat concepts with flawed executions, and oftentimes weapons will just outright ignore them

[glass arch]

ammo is good at one thing

it keeps the variety of ways you can use a single weapon relatively high

[small timber]

I think a very legit reason against the calcium potion suggestion is that bounding is way harder to get because of frog it is way harder

Bounding is not "slightly harder to get"

And addint it to bounding also make it so you cant obtain it from skeleton merchant because it no longer thematically make sense

And yes, the point of calcium potion is literally to potentially free up a slot as the suggestion pointed out in the case where you dont want to use a lucky horsehoe, so it is ok for the effect overlap because that is exactly what it is trying to do

[crude geode]

Merge bounding into calcium potion

[glass arch]

though most of those ways still boil down to put your cursor on the boss and hold lclick

[crude geode]

That way we keep the theme and also remove the funny frog recipe

[glass arch]

its not like horseshoe is

[golden sonnet]

If you are going high enough to need more than bounding gives, you have wings or horseshoe balloon

[glass arch]

like you can combine horseshoe with every balloon jump and bob

[ripe owl]

I just swiped down while in this chat and somehow got purged to the Balance Suggs thread

[crude geode]

Nice

[ripe owl]

No it is not

It's scary

[glass arch]

saving a slot from not using horseshoe doesnt matter because horseshoe can be combined with literally every balloon jump and bundle

[crude geode]

Fall damage shrimply does not matter

mfw 15 gems of any kind deletes fall damage from existence

[bright crag]

Frog is harder
...?

You can usually find plenty of them around villages

[crude geode]

Yeah villages turning down hostile spawn rates make frogs pretty easy to get

[glass arch]

that and jungle increases spawn rates a shit ton so as long as you have a net you can get quite a few

[drowsy plank]

just make a jungle pylon lmao

[distant gyro]

this is facts mystic frog is still impossible to find though

[crude geode]

Yep

Isn’t it great how impossible achievements are to get

[distant gyro]

i love trying to get 100% slimes and having to wait for the frog for 20 minutes unironically

[crude geode]

I can’t wait for universal pylon to become an achievement next update because fuck the player

[small timber]

Not eveyone always have a perfect arena that cover the whole area, there are a lot of situation in survival world where you are forced to go off arena (which is when fall damage matter)

Or forced into the balloon item line because while it is good is also usually harder to obtain even from crafting

Or even use it temporary at early game exploration due to its simple recipe befoee you are unable to explore too deep

Or even the absurd scenario of going mount + glass cannon and use calcium potion for when you need to perform sudden dodging and go off mount

The tldr of the potion is that "you are not forced to have a fall immune accessory", because of how essential it is to nearly all point of progression

If the problem is with ancient bone dust you can even just make it so it use carton of milk (maybe boost the drop chance in this case) instead or even only sold by skeleton merchant

[small timber]

You will be surprise how many people just do not notice this without looking at wiki, and also bounding potion still need vines which especially for early game is not a very easy item to obtain in large amount

[glass arch]

if people dont notice that it happens then thats on them

[distant gyro]

what potions do people actively notice without looking it up

[glass arch]

i hardly pay attention to villages and the jungle and shit and i still know when theres frogs around

[crude geode]

what do people notice in this game without looking it up

[distant gyro]

so real

[small timber]

Assuming first time playing the game, if you throw water bottles into guide's crafting, you can get a good guess on most potion fish except for the other evil that dont exist in your world and summoning

(By all I mean combat relevant potion)

They can easily get daybloom, shiverthorn and fireblossom, likely deathweed

Moonglow, blink root and waterleaf generally can be more difficult

Maybe endurance is harder to guess but I dont remember others that stand out
(Ok it is named "cavefish" so there is a hint)

[glass arch]

water bottles arent the most intuitive thing to get

[distant gyro]

i doubt frog and vine are much harder to deduce

[crude geode]

^

Craft sand into glass into bottles into water bottles at a water source

If you don’t get any empty bottles from chests which usually happens

[glass arch]

if you were a first time player you wouldnt be aware that you could even use water as a crafting source

[crude geode]

Honestly the fact that calcium potions are sold in bulk is probably the lamest part about them. Just throw money at a problem instead of actually using your brain

[small timber]

Frog and vine is not much harder to deduce, it is much harder to get compare to ancient bone dust

[glass arch]

is it hard to get? not really
but its a 1/3rd chance every time you kill a skeleton for ONE

[crude geode]

How much do they cost?

[distant gyro]

there is compensation for getting it as opposed to rage or wrath

[small timber]

If you get empty bottle and put it into guide it will show water bottle

If you put any herb into guide it will also show a lot of potion crafting with water bottle

Your next step is just to find how to make water bottle (or just empty bottle in this case because water bottle is shown by guide)

[wide river]

Calcium Potions cost 20 Silver Coins

[distant gyro]

1 frog 1 vine = 3 potions for 5 mins each (15m total)

meanwhile 1 ebonkoi 1 deathweed = 1 potion of 4 minutes

[small timber]

Rage wrath is also more potent and costly that usually you will not try to keep it permanently up

Calcium and bounding are more minor effect and are longer lasting

And calcium can be purchased or crafted and last 20 minutes per potion (unless they changed it at some point)

[crude geode]

I feel like we’ve heavily derailed

[wide river]

The #suggestions-discussion experience

[crude geode]

Truly

[glass arch]

neither of them are particularly difficult to get, aside from the jungle being the jungle but even then its not the hardest place to deal with

[small timber]

Tldr is: if the main incentive of the calcium potion suggestion is to remove ancient bone dust, then just suggest to remove ancient bone dust or something and leave calcium alone since it still offers other utility even if it is not applied globally

[worldly sparrow]

i cant even tell what the topic was

[crude geode]

xpc loves calcium

[wide river]

That's... not the intention at all??

Ancient Bone Dust is only mentioned once, as a note of how to obtain it
I have no qualms with Ancient Bone Dust in this suggestion

[glass arch]

there have been previous suggestions we can repost about removing ancient bone dust

[crude geode]

The intention is to combine two potions so they’re less weird and niche

[worldly sparrow]

god the material inflation

[glass arch]

if ench wanted to use this sugg to get rid of ancient bone dust he could have just reposted one of those

[crude geode]

The evil essences

Beetle Juice and all the other jungle crap

[distant gyro]

as much as i hate calcium potion it does do one thing consistent to terraria

remove 1 minor inconvenience that is identical to an accessory

[worldly sparrow]

imma make a list of every unneeded material i personally dont like rq

[distant gyro]

(see: obsidian skin, gills, flipper)

fits right in to terraria's stupid pot pile

[crude geode]

It really does

[worldly sparrow]

ancient bone dust
beetle juice
demonic bone ash
murky paste
energy core
stormlion mandible
sulphuric scale
suspicious scrap
corroded fossil
infected armor plating
mollusk husk
trapper bulb
unholy core
meld construct

[wide river]

The clear solution here is to remove all potions

[wide river]

That's like half of them

[sleek turret]

before 1.4.4 you could argumentate that calcium potion was ok due to bundle of balloons but since horseshoe BoB exists now it's kinda redundant

[worldly sparrow]

truly a material inflation moment

[crude geode]

But muh early game exploration/arenas Kaizo

[crude geode]

Why did I read sulphuric scalp in there for a moment

Dyslexia truly hitting hard

[worldly sparrow]

lmfao

[sleek turret]

yeah i kinda agree on the arena point and the early game exploration

[distant gyro]

this just reminds me of the image

[drowsy plank]

which image

[wide river]

The image, duh

[distant gyro]

every circled material is used for precisely 1 item circa 1.4.0

[drowsy plank]

that is an image

lmao

[worldly sparrow]

a few of the cal materials could just be replaced with another one and be fine

[crude geode]

This feels like the most shitpost to ever shitpost

[worldly sparrow]

like you could totally use plague cell canister instead of infected armor plating and it would still make sense

[sleek turret]

it's truly one of the images ever

[wide river]

Give me a moment

I have something I must do

[distant gyro]

got the timeline wrong twice whoops

[sleek turret]

i'm ok with dye materials tho tbh

[drowsy plank]

im okay with most of these

[distant gyro]

my problem with dye materials it that it suddenly materializes in your inventory some time in exploration

[drowsy plank]

maybe the mushrooms, turtle shells, and pearls could be used elsewhere? but like that is it idc about the rest tbh

[distant gyro]

you decide to keep it and look it up and lo and behold it's for dyes

[sleek turret]

it can clout your inventory sometimes ye

[drowsy plank]

dye bag when

[sleek turret]

ocean farming moment

[crude geode]

Wings should just drop directly

[wide river]

Relevant

[crude geode]

Lmao

[worldly sparrow]

lol

rq imma update that material list

just to see if it got any better since 1.3

[deft yew]

blight slimes

[crude geode]

Especially the ones post boss in hardmode

[sleek turret]

i also like empty droppers even if they are vanity they add for building effects

[crude geode]

I don’t have to craft Drew’s nutsack with 20 souls of flight to make his wings why must I for tattered bee wings

[distant gyro]

erm erm because if you happen to get multiple bee wings it clogs your inv

(coping users)

[sleek turret]

make them stackable smh....

[wide river]

Inventory space is a myth

See: The stupidly large drop pools of some bosses

[sleek turret]

"my child will only use the vanilla inventory limits and tools to get around these issues"
me with expandable inventory mod in the modlist:

[crude geode]

The 4 different banks in my back pocket

[wide river]

So true

[crude geode]

Literally void bag, crossover vault, piggy bank, and safe

Why tf do people still complain about inventory space

half of them you get instantly!!!

[sleek turret]

you get piggy early as fuck ye

[distant gyro]

1 of them actually

[sleek turret]

void is post evil-1, safe is post skeletron i think and crossover vault is as soon as you can get ooa to occur

there's also the deerclops pet

the chest one

[crude geode]

That’s better piggy

Chester

Put some respect on his mf name

😤

[sleek turret]

i haven't played terraria in days shuT UP!!

[crude geode]

I forgot when safe was gotten

[distant gyro]

only days?

[crude geode]

But yeah all of them are pre-hm so like

People have no excuse

[sleek turret]

uhh i think monday was the last time i played terraria or maybe yesterday?

i don't fucking remember :peepoold:

[wide river]

I feel like the vast majority of this server has not played Terraria in at least several months

[sleek turret]

i touched calamity gfb for 10 minutes and i got a headache from it

never again

[crude geode]

Yeah which is perfect

[deft yew]

put some respect on the name of literally everything surrounding deerclops

[coral carbon]

No, Chester is part of the Don't starve collab. The Defender's forge is the one from the Old ones army.

[wide river]

If you look at what they said in context

There's also the Deerclops pet
The chest one

That is what Chester is referring to there

[distant gyro]

crossover vault refers to dforge

[crude geode]

Yeah

[distant gyro]

chester is chester and otherwise irrelevant bc it shares a slot with pig

[worldly sparrow]

alright, here's the updated version to the image

[wide river]

Good god

[worldly sparrow]

all numbers 10 and up are green

[golden sonnet]

Why does hook exist when goblin literally sells the thing it makes.

[distant gyro]

why grappling hook isn't just craftable with iron is beyond me

[wide river]

Unfortunately vanilla doesn't remove content unless it's console/mobile exclusive

[sleek turret]

why does bell and harp exist

you could totally replace bell in fairy bell recipe with just silver bars or tungsten and it would be completly fine

[worldly sparrow]

honestly someone make a mod that removes the majority of them

[golden sonnet]

Based.

[worldly sparrow]

i would but i cant code

[golden sonnet]

I could but would need basic motivation

[deft yew]

so you can play them as instruments

[distant gyro]

[sleek turret]

i'm learning code and so far all i know is

[deft yew]

like magic harp is normally playable but takes mana

(and beating twins

[sleek turret]

Console.WriteLine("Lmao");

[distant gyro]

make them cosmetically playable with rclick

[deft yew]

not hello world smh

[sleek turret]

it'll take some time to memorize syntax a bit though

[deft yew]

actually forget what i said

make your code play the jump in the caac video (or just audio)

[coral carbon]

istg that was not there before

[crude geode]

it was

no edited or anything so it's not like that was a different message before and we're gaslighting you

[coral carbon]

[hexed hamlet]

well in terms of armor

demonshade and exo will be superior than auric

but auric is still usable

but exo armor main competition is demonshade in terms of balancement

[worldly sparrow]

flag

right now

actually just delete it

its a question

[wide river]

@wheat meadow Infernum is not managed by the Calamity dev team, this suggestion does not go here

[grim tusk]

And from Infernum team (this is a FAQ): No

[distant gyro]

[wheat meadow]

Oopsies

[cobalt pewter]

terraria players' fetish over """difficulty""" is one thing I'll never understand

[wide river]

60% ❗ rate today

(Not counting deleted suggestions that is)

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message gonna be honest Flax Toxicannon is atrocious

They should both be reworked

The idea is cool but it's so unusable

If it were at least 180 degrees and not like 60 or something

Even 120 would be a significant improvement

[crude geode]

180 would be dumb

120 would be fine

[drowsy plank]

I'm just going to straight up delete those two

they're such blatant violations that i sincerely doubt anything can or will be done about them

[novel belfry]

Don't make the Sulphurous Armor's breathing capacity drain in GFB

Why. At least with the potion, it's a funny joke. This is an ARMOR set, and a pretty important stepping stone for the Rogue class from the Snow Ruffian armor. This is incredibly annoying.

[regal willow]

[fleet flume]

That's the wrong place. Go to #suggestions-posting if you want the idea considered.

[sand marlin]

Already did

That was a draft

[fleet flume]

Oh.

[halcyon zealot]

Cursed

[blazing kettle]

y'know, i cgeck suggposts every so often to see what wacky suggestions may be pisted there and good lordy whats happened i see like 5+ suggs exclaimed

[worldly sparrow]

someone else is cooking

[sand marlin]

I see 4 up above but that's about it

Earlier ones are gone

By earlier I mean the manually deleted joke suggs

[blazing kettle]

i swear i saw more

or there waz more and the channel did its refresh thing every week

[drowsy plank]

dude just unbind

i start with all of my keys unbound when i got the new update idk how this even happened unless u bound it first

[north oracle]

it's also not a bug which seems to be implied by the end of that?

[worldly sparrow]

and if it was a bug then it doesn't really go here?

[north oracle]

(and i've literally never had this bound on updating, i'm not sure how this happens unless you click reset to defaults on controls)

[glass arch]

having it be unbound by default would be nice, but pretty unnecessary because most people go in and rebind most of their keys anyways

[fleet flume]

It's not intuitive. What I'm suggesting is to not make it mandatory to go onto the Calamity discord, ask how to dash, help ruin some admin's day, wait a few hours, and finally get it answered by the person who answers them for like the 5,000th time. It's inefficient, unintuitive, and creates a worse experience for older Terraria players, who by this point are probably familiar with the dash controls, have it as an instinct, and will only do that. The fact that there's no way to know how to fix it without trial and error just bothers me to no end, knowing that there are lots of players confused as to why the Shield of Cthulu won't work. Some might not even figure out that it's the dash setting added by Calamity.

These giant blocks of text are a key sign that we should use font formatting more often...

[glass arch]

and if they dont do that then chances are they're still gonna go through and at least look at them

[halcyon zealot]

Maybe a bit exaggerated, but you are indeed cooking here, nothing you said was really wrong
Weird thing is I myself also have found it unbound by default, but clearly it seems many new players have it bound by default

[fleet flume]

Yeah. I think it's a new feature, but I haven't been around for several months, so I might not be up to date.

[halcyon zealot]

Perhaps fresh installs cause it to be bound by default?

[halcyon zealot]

If you reset your controls to defaults what happens to the dash override bind

[fleet flume]

It says next to it Reset to default (F) when it's not set to it, but I use that for quick mana, so that's not an option, especially for a magic playthrough.

[halcyon zealot]

Ah is there no "reset all keybinds" option anywhere

[fleet flume]

There's clear, which I assume unbinds everything, but no reset?

[halcyon zealot]

If you don't want to that's understandable

[halcyon zealot]

I see

[fleet flume]

Oh there is Reset to default at the bottom next to Clear

[sand marlin]

Uhh just making sure but you do know pressing the same key unbinds it right

[fleet flume]

Yeah I do.

[halcyon zealot]

The main tldr is that default dash should be vanilla double tap

Which it was for me

But it seems on fresh installs it is not the case

[halcyon zealot]

Given the many people in the cmt and help channels that ask why they can't dash

[small timber]

I never have it bind the dash keybind for me by default yes

it is always double tap only (default)

[fleet flume]

I've had Calamity for years now, as well as tModLoader, probably not long after release. Perhaps it's to do with (down)dating back to 1.4.3 and then to 1.4.4 again.

[crude geode]

That might have something to do with it

But if there’s problems outside of this one person than yeah, it sounds like a fresh download thing

[fleet flume]

Again, I think I might have bound it on the assumption that double-tap would still work.

I never said that before, but again sounded right there.

[halcyon zealot]

[sand marlin]

Ye it's called doubletap override so it makes doubletap not work

[fleet flume]

My point is not that it is impossible, but that it's unintuitive, or even, in my case, counterintuitive.

[sand marlin]

You mean calling it doubletap override does not indicate doubletap function being removed?

[fleet flume]

It doesn't indicate that that's how you add it back.

[sand marlin]

That's a really weird thing to say

Considering the word is like, the perfect thing to say for this scenario

[fleet flume]

I didn't think the setting meant whether the dash would be overridden, but with what key it is replaced.

I remember the server being more active than this. Maybe I'm misremembering.

[worldly sparrow]

its almost 3am

thats why you remember it being more active

dont question why im up at 3am

[fleet flume]

Well in western America it's earlier.

[worldly sparrow]

yeah but more people live in the east than the west

[fleet flume]

I know, but by that logic, shouldn't we be going by India standards? I don't know the playerbase data very well. I don't know how many Calamity players are Indian vs. American or European.

[worldly sparrow]

but even then isnt it like midnight in california

[fleet flume]

Yep.

[worldly sparrow]

the majority of cal players are american/european

[fleet flume]

Ah. But by those standards....... GMT -4 is 4:00AM right?

Which would mean... Well.

Actually it's fine.

A nice 8AM in Britain.

[worldly sparrow]

brits just waking up rn

so before they become active

fuck the british

[fleet flume]

That's gotta violate some rule here.

[worldly sparrow]

it doesn't

[fleet flume]

Huh.

[worldly sparrow]

oh yeah i should mention that cal has a fairly large chinese community but you're only supposed to english here

[sand marlin]

Bro your context isn't even plausible and it doesn't look good at all

[sand marlin]

Only english because otherwise you can't moderate

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

anyways imma go to sleep before 3am which is in 3 minutes

gn

[fleet flume]

I didn't know that. I guess the firewall is exaggerated.

[tulip mica]

More DS related stuff would be soo cool but no suggestion like that

Father ariandel pot thingy for rogue would be funny

Or artorias/sif, coiled sword would be dope. Smough

[crude geode]

I thought you meant desert scourge for a second

[tulip mica]

Oh

[crude geode]

Byeah we don’t need more references

[tulip mica]

But funny Dark Souls

[crude geode]

[tulip mica]

Only one exact weapon and a couple references in weapons

No reason not to

Only one thing to do

Donate copius ammount of money to get one

[crude geode]

can't anymore

[tulip mica]

The joke

I'll figure out a way

[cobalt heath]

probably some qol feature telling the dash button exists and how to override it

otherwise the current system is fine

as you can still use the old way

[fervent orbit]

hello c:

[fervent orbit]

fuck you

[crude geode]

[ashen warren]

[hollow shell]

Fully agree with the dash config sugg. The current setup is very unintuitive.

[ashen warren]

I thought you had to bind it as a sort of, optin, in the first place for it to actually override the double tap though. Is that not the case?

[fleet flume]

It is not. Besides, if you accidentally enable it, it's hard to find the issue.

[eternal escarp]

good sugg regarding a config
i thought id never see the day

but ye i agree it shouldnt be bound be default

[ashen warren]

if it's bound by default then there has to be a config for it, i'm just a lit unsure about it since i recall it not being bound for me by default which makes me think it's inconsistent

[fleet flume]

Perhaps have it so that even when the control is bound, you can have it as a configuration option that decides whether it gets used or not. Perhaps 0 for double-tap, 1 for both, and 2 for keybind.

[cobalt pewter]

it is not bound by default, I could verify

but either way it's best that the keybind is more of something that goes with the double tap rather than something that overrides it

(or that could be an option too)

[ashen warren]

that's why i'm leaning towards the config option suggested by nhlqas

[cobalt pewter]

am learning to use the keybind and I'm still terribly bad at it as my habit is double tapping

also dash, grapple, mount and adren / rage keybinds being adjacent to each other doesn't help me either

[sand marlin]

If it's gonna be a config I don't see how that's different than just unbinding/rebinding it

Using both seems very weird

Because your muscles are either used to doubletap or the override key for dashing

Not to mention accidentally doubletap dashing while having a different key for it at the same time would further be inconvenient

[fleet flume]

That's what 2 and 0 are for.

[small timber]

I think the part where it is "bound by default" don't really happen to me, but I think the part of the suggestion where you should not be an override but rather potentially give option to both make sense yes

[worldly sparrow]

my favorite mechanical bosses, aureus and providence

[solid nimbus]

Though many things in Calamity are constantly changing, I plea for the Executioner’s Blade to retain its Sound/Visual design, it’s pure simplistic perfection and I love that thing :)

Blades go brbrbrbrbr

[grim tusk]

Visuals on that thing are OLD

[tired haven]

there are visuals?

[grim tusk]

Dust

[tired haven]

True

[drowsy plank]

@ivory venture that isn't a suggestion and it is also breaking like three rules

we don't remove vanilla items

[silk parcel]

dang

[drowsy plank]

you have literally no explination

just overall not at all following the rules

[wide river]

Hmm yes reversion, vanilla item removal, no reasoning, no formatting, this suggestion has it all

[silk parcel]

fr

[drowsy plank]

[ivory venture]

sorry

[drowsy plank]

okay please just actually read the rules, changing it is not helping when it is still a complete violation
ignoring the fact the formatting is wrong, you have now add ANOTHER rule violation with making suggestions based on bugs, which is not something we do. calamity will get around to fixing it eventually, functionality was just more important for the port.

[wide river]

I think there's not much redeeming this idea unfortunately

[drowsy plank]

of course not, but if they ever make another suggestion i want them to check the rules first
otherwise id just delete it
the fact they changed it to another violation is just showing they haven't so im going to leave it up for now until they respond

[undone holly]

what was the sugg?

[wide river]

Asking to remove the hardmode crates because they can contain hardmode ore before beating the mechs

[north oracle]

hey at least it's steadily improving

[undone holly]

they can?

huh

i just figured calamity* changed that

[wide river]

Calamity hasn't changed it yet, but they plan to

[ivory venture]

I guess i got that mixed up with the infernum mode

[deft yew]

infernum doesn't do anything to it??

[ivory venture]

well then im confused

[glass arch]

they had in the past but porting to 1.4 broke it

[ivory venture]

should i remove the post then?

[drowsy plank]

@ivory venture yes
did you seriously delete your suggestion, just to resuggest it without even looking at the rules like i told you to do twice??

this feels like you were just doing it to get around me exclaiming it

[glass arch]

being able to get all tiers of ore pre mech from fishing is a bug

[ivory venture]

i thought that tis post was sufficient to the rules

[glass arch]

itll be fixed eventually

[lavish condor]

I thought it was intentional

[ivory venture]

*this

[lavish condor]

whole non-linearity thing

[glass arch]

nope

[drowsy plank]

you dont need the hardmode ores for non-linearity

[glass arch]

you werent able to get higher tiers of ore from crates until you've defeated the required mechs in 1.5

upon porting to 1.4 that broke

[drowsy plank]

i do not actually believe you read the rules if you think this is valid esp considering you CLEARLY haven't even read my messages because i mentioned things which you still have in your suggestion

[grave zinc]

@grizzled dome - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename the Rune of Kos]

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You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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[wide river]

Minor suggestions W

[fervent orbit]

these renames are really important trust

rename the old duke to old duke for parity with vanillas duke fishron

[grizzled dome]

okay, that one's bad. I would have preferred "The Dragonfolly" to "Dragonfolly" but that one's a good change specifically because there's more than one. But if there's only one, putting "the" at the beginning makes it sound more... impressive, I guess?

[fervent orbit]

wdym boss refights are clearly canon and there is a 2nd od we kill

[grizzled dome]

there used to be a canon refight but this is no longer discussing suggestions, honestly.

[wide river]

Ah, now that my two suggestions are out of posting, I have another one I was gonna make after a recent discovery

Time to write it up!

[hybrid steeple]

MINOR GRIPE PASSED

[bright crag]

All 3 suggestions are doing very well

8x0 or 7x0

[grim tusk]

Literal unanimous approval (for now at least)

[sick belfry]

society on their side

[wide river]

The precedent of incredibly minor changes doing well is alive and well I see

[deft yew]

it's a minor gripe/inconsistency, therefore it is destined to pass

bigger and more meaningful changes never manage

[wide river]

Sadly true

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message I should go on a crusade to rework every single one of these pieces of shit on stealth 3

Like why the fuck are they all projectile spam that you can set before a and use to obliterate a boss

[crude geode]

Bc it’s how spiky balls have to be to be viable on bosses since normal enemies, the things spiky balls are meant to be good against, don’t exist

(Ignore EoW he doesn’t exist)

[worldly sparrow]

lmao spiky balls have 3 second ds killtime

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-voting message
this one deserves a resub fr

[fervent orbit]

god i love it when rename sugg

[wide river]

Mmk so I don't actually know how good of an idea this actually is, now I think about it, so I'll share it here before writing it up
I was thinking about how post-Providence has two separate melee accessories, being Badge of Bravery and Yharim's Insignia, made solely with Uelibloom and Divine Geodes respectively
I was considering suggesting a retier of one of them, but in all honesty, there isn't much retiering to be done, as any later is too close to Elemental Gauntlet and any earlier is too close to Fire Gauntlet

[deft yew]

the "Remove" in my pocket:

[crude geode]

^^^^

Melee already has enough it’ll be fine without one (1) accessory

[wide river]

Which would you prefer dies, out of curiosity?

[oblique geyser]

All rename suggestions

Cringe

[novel belfry]

okay uh

i deleted my sugg because i realized this isn't limited to JUST sulphurous armor

but it seems that a lot of Calamity "water-breathing" accessories and stuff, even the EFFIGY OF FUCKING DECAY will cause the breath meter to drain outside of water on For The Worthy+

[deft yew]

it doesn't matter because they are literally the same

[novel belfry]

that IS NOT GOOD

[wide river]

Sounds like anything that applies the Gills effects causes that

[novel belfry]

yeah

[crude geode]

Sounds intentional then

a GFB moment even

[novel belfry]

well this is just pushing the limits

this seems like an oversight more than an intentional feature honestly

[worldly sparrow]

it is actually an intended feature

[distant gyro]

what does gills do in ftw

oh

[worldly sparrow]

it swaps water and air

[crude geode]

Yeah it’s pretty funny

It just is exacerbated by cal having like 500 things having access to gills

[grim tusk]

Which go in #1052330262492631071

[novel belfry]

hmm, im not that familiar with this bug reporting thing

[worldly sparrow]

cool, well oversights dont belong in the suggestion channel

those go to bug reports

though im not even sure if its an oversight

it could 100% be intentional

[deft yew]

how does one add a hyperlink to discord text

[novel belfry]

yeah, that's why im making this a sugg

im not sure if this IS intended or not

[wide river]

Display text in [] and the link in ()

[novel belfry]

still formating the bug report just in case

[worldly sparrow]

cool, im sure someone will clarify it soon

[fervent orbit]

display text

[deft yew]

thanks

[novel belfry]

i'll delete the sugg if it turns out to be an oversight

[fervent orbit]

My favourite weapon

[hollow shell]

Is it an oversight then, confirmed? Or is it a seed haha funny?

[grim tusk]

That does indeed sound like an oversight

[novel belfry]

hold on, does this effect apply to neptune's shell?

[distant gyro]

if no one thought of it as a consequence then it's an oversight on my books

[worldly sparrow]

actually i think its an oversight

the entire reason behind the gills change was to match the tooltip

[distant gyro]

does not apply to neptune's shell

it's all just this

[fervent orbit]

"getGoodWorld"

well thats one way to explain ftw

[novel belfry]

that is a better title ngl

[wide river]

Funnily enough that's even a way you can search up FTW on the wiki

[novel belfry]

LOL

[fervent orbit]

thats how its referenced in the code

[sand marlin]

Based Skyfin sugg

[wide river]

The nuisance

[deft yew]

once i get this to hit dev i'm also suggesting to remove sulph skater's bubble gimmick

[novel belfry]

eh

[deft yew]

ok maybe not remove

but make more obvious

you could just make the bubbles rarer and Actually Visible tbh

[crude geode]

Ah yes the classic visibility issues sugg

[deft yew]

aquatic sc

[wide river]

The most unrealistic part of this is that it makes it to reach dev because some minor change is gonna overtake this

[novel belfry]

tbh i had no clue how sulphurous skaters started flying

[deft yew]

you have incited deep within me a primal rage

[crude geode]

I feel like making it so they don’t get to fly automatically after squints ‘being on land long enough’ would be enough

But also idk how long it is so who fucking knows

[deft yew]

skyfins are literally always flying in my experience

i have NEVER seen one doing anything other than divebomb

@distant gyro is the skyfin page accurate? i don't think so

[distant gyro]

you know

the changelog dots document the correct ai

not the main part though

[deft yew]

m

[cobalt pewter]

so true

[crude geode]

Oh I see

So they just fly whenever

Why

[cobalt pewter]

I like when these require positioning (like sky stabber and the main projectiles of nychthemeron) but otherwise yea

[crude geode]

Why does random fish fly through ground but actual elemental beings like the chaos elemental don’t

[deft yew]

make it a real flying fish

[crude geode]

That’s clearly what it was before

Before it got it’s enhanced state for free

[sand marlin]

Chaos Elemental's about teleportation tbh

[crude geode]

[deft yew]

as it turns out, "popping the bubble" requires taking a hit

why would you have to do that

[sand marlin]

It would be pretty strong if it weren't just a rare enemy

[crude geode]

From what I remember skyfins aren’t exactly rare

[sand marlin]

Yeah they aren't

[crude geode]

Then why did you say weren’t

[wide river]

The problem is that they pile up too much I think
And with their persistent charges they can really become an annoyance

[crude geode]

They apparently also removed the fact that they have to exist for long enough before they can start flying

[sand marlin]

I didn't?

[deft yew]

that's not the inherent issue so much as why are skyfins 20x more aggressive than everything else

[crude geode]

.

[sand marlin]

I said Chaos Elementals

[wide river]

They definitely need to be toned down in some regard, that much is true

[cobalt pewter]

skyfins should start charging horizontally and reduce the aggro after the initial dash

[crude geode]

I thought you were actually talking about skyfins since the chaos elementals was just mostly a one off thing

[crude geode]

Clearly everything else just needs to be more aggressive

[deft yew]

pirates:

[cobalt pewter]

pirate captain when he:

[sand marlin]

Skyfins aren't just aggressive
They are incredibly annoying when attempted to kill

And they keep hesitating to divebomb most of the time

Making it pretty tedious to control

Nearly became an object of PTSD sometime ago

[crude geode]

Skyfins are kinda the only threatening part of T1 that I can remember though

[deft yew]

the only

[fervent orbit]

hmmm walking up to this friendly frog surely nothing would ha-

[crude geode]

Me when the 1 time Jumpscare is 1 time

[deft yew]

they are also the only threatening part of t2 (consistently, because skater bubble gimmick exists and is dumb)

[wide river]

I remember the leech enemies that got removed
Don't remember if they were hard or not, but they sure were forgettable

That's not entirely relevant continue on

[sand marlin]

Leeches were pretty funny

[distant gyro]

it's the only threatening part because it's the only enemy that leaves the water

[small timber]

how can you play the game if every single normal enemy is not a miniboss

[sand marlin]

I liked them lol

They were so tiny and weak

[distant gyro]

and you can hold someone at gunpoint and no one will still enter the water

[crude geode]

^^^^^

Like even if you made it so the acid rain caused sulphuric poison above the water it would just. make the event worse in general since you would have to have sulphurskin

[distant gyro]

and then they get surprised why cragmaw mires don't spawn for their essential drops

[sand marlin]

I think it's more of skyfins being even more annoying underwater that people are being gatekept normally by them in abovewater

I kept getting overwhelmed by skyfins before I could dive down for other enemies

[deft yew]

skyfins are literally constantly on your rear they do not give you downtime ever

[cobalt pewter]

the changes to the sulphuric poisoning actually makes me more interested in going into the water because it's not constantly oppressing you with dot

[ornate kestrel]

I just skip acid rain until i need it

Which isn't a problem unless I'm playing rogue

[crude geode]

I wouldn’t mind this Nerf to Skyfins if the other enemies got buffed

[sand marlin]

Well we're talking about on tier approach towards this event

[wide river]

We don't want another Exo Twins incident where their nerfing makes the whole thing too easy

[ornate kestrel]

I skip it cause I hate the skyfins

[deft yew]

artemis really needs to go to an alcohol rehab center atp

[sand marlin]

Skyfins deserve it

That's literally an exception

[crude geode]

Cuz skyfins are like. the only enemy to exist outside of cragmire, until tier 3 where you get…nuclear horror

[deft yew]

the minibosses are quite based

[ornate kestrel]

At least tier 1 I skip cause they're annoying to deal with

[crude geode]

Just nerf skyfin and buff other enemies ability to do shit.

[wide river]

Chad emoji

[novel belfry]

i don't know why, but i've kinda just grown to tolerate the skyfins

[deft yew]

stockholm

[crude geode]

Minibosses are but also I dislike that sulphurous skaters no long move at the speed of sound even without their bubbles

[novel belfry]

they are VERY annoying, ngl

[ornate kestrel]

They're the only thing during tier 1 that can kill me

[novel belfry]

should be a t2 enemy honestly

[deft yew]

you dislike that they don't?

[crude geode]

It was actually entertaining to watch

[novel belfry]

have skaters appear first in tier one tbh

[deft yew]

buffed skater* was disgustingly oppressive

[ornate kestrel]

It doesn't look as satisfying

They look too slow

[sand marlin]

Yet they can clutter you pretty easily

[crude geode]

Radiators when they’re for show more than anything

[ornate kestrel]

I like the toads

[crude geode]

They’re the ones that can be justified the most in their behavior

[sand marlin]

Why does slime give 0 points lol

[crude geode]

Bc it’s garbage and bad and a slime

[cobalt pewter]

they're there just to annoy you

[crude geode]

Worst enemy in the event

[wide river]

They used to drop Lead Cores

[ornate kestrel]

Which was a key drop for silva

Iirc

[novel belfry]

ah yes

[crude geode]

Ye

[ornate kestrel]

That was annoying the first time around

I forgot to get it

[novel belfry]

the lead core, which by all accounts, shouldn't be farmed for at all (it literally gives immunity to a single debuff, thats it), but because Silva armor requires it, you HAVE to GRAB IT

[crude geode]

There are far too many commas in that sentence

And yet they’re in the wrong spots

[wide river]

It's a good thing Auric Tesla is slowly getting less bloated to fix this stuff

[ornate kestrel]

There's a reason I always use recipe browser since I learned from not using it in my first playthrough

[crude geode]

Yea

[deft yew]

gamma slime.

[crude geode]

Calamity be like

literally every item
does thing

Material

[ornate kestrel]

No

That's Fargo's

[novel belfry]

also did you know that before 1.4.4.001, the Acid Rain event wasn't an event, but rather an upgraded rain event that simply gave the Irradiated debuff.
the only unique enemy that also comes along with this event was... the Irradiated Slime.

[crude geode]

Yes

[distant gyro]

clearly you haven't been playing for a while

[wide river]

Old Acid Rain was something

[crude geode]

Yes

😎

[distant gyro]

amount of calamity materials got sliced by like 60% within the course of the past year or so

[crude geode]

Gamma slimes at least have behavior that differentiates them from blue slimes???

[ornate kestrel]

I haven't been playing for a while but I know the "everything has a use" is thankfully starting to fade

[crude geode]

Like it’s not much but at least it’s something

[distant gyro]

gamma slime is the bullet hell shitspawn that happens during the event

and that sucks ngl

[crude geode]

Irradiate slime falls through platforms like any non slime enemy does

That’s not exactly unique behavior

[ornate kestrel]

Remember when we had short swords in calamity

[crude geode]

Thank fuck they’re gone

[cobalt pewter]

just needs to get rid of carpet

[ornate kestrel]

They made so many things have a use

[distant gyro]

funnily enough despite all this i still think acid rain is still better than any vanilla event

the bar is low