suggestions-discussion

[hollow ridge]

Itd be somewhere on the doc

[ashen warren]

Ah ok

[livid coral]

We've been trying to cut down on funni references

[hollow shell]

(yeah cuz in the past everybody wanted their cool favorite franchise thing in the mod, so we had to make a rule against it)

[ashen warren]

I don’t read anything that isn’t server rules or the Bible because stupid so yeah sorry

[hollow ridge]

Add the double sided lightsaber from star wars to calamity iirc

[livid coral]

For me, The Bee's item is about as much of a reference as I can request lmao

[grave zinc]

@scenic pine - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Gunk Shot to Shotgunk]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make lava unable to generate on the player's spawn point in "for the worthy" world seeds]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ashen warren]

i actually did read the entire sugg donts doc before i posted my sugg

and my sugg still was at risk of being flagged the way i saw it

[novel belfry]

THANK THE LORD

[deft yew]

https://tenor.com/view/honestly-quite-incredible-drinking-water-underwater-cool-gif-22285702

[royal tapir]

What the fuck………

[sleek turret]

truly

[atomic shell]

it’s so over

[cosmic karma]

shotgunk just

sounds wrong

[summer swallow]

What is the best gear for SCal (nohit) idk what the acc good for the fight

[wide river]

Ask over in #help-advice-read-pins

[summer swallow]

No one knows :(

[wide river]

I will try to answer you as best I can over there

[summer swallow]

Okie

[north oracle]

@daring tiger formatting + you need more reasoning than "it would be funny"

[daring tiger]

Fair enough

Cant edit it rn though soz

[wide river]

You have plenty of time to do so, don't worry

Just make sure it's done in the next 24 hours otherwise the suggestion will be deleted

[crude geode]

Could I have the reasoning for this one, @hollow shell?

[north oracle]

i mean i'm assuming they voted and decided gunk shot sounds better

[glass arch]

rover isnt on the dev team they wouldnt know

[crude geode]

Oh damn I need to find a new connection to dev reasonings then

[frosty trellis]

Or maybe every name in cal doesn't need to be a reference

[wide river]

Just ping all the devs and hope one responds
(For legal reasons this is a joke)

[royal tapir]

Where is the reference it’s a wordplay

[crude geode]

The reference is the original name

Bc then it’s just reference to Pokémon move

[royal tapir]

This is so wack

[ashen warren]

wow wtf

[ashen warren]

portmanteaus are considered references now?

[north oracle]

[cobalt pewter]

I was expecting either directions for that sugg

though I am a little bit surprised at first that they rejected it, but I guess they have their reason ig?

[small timber]

Or it can be just that shotgunk is kind of a shit name

[ashen warren]

it rolls off the tongue much better (it's much faster to read)
it's also a good play on words

personally I don't mind too much what its name is

It's not a "shit name"

[small timber]

it is a shit name because it is a shotgun with a "k" added at the end

[north oracle]

TRUE

[small timber]

if the player have no idea the name of the item originally is "gunk shot" they literally do not have any reference or idea why the name of the gun is "shotgun + 'k' "

[ashen warren]

yes. the exact same reasoning can be applied to gunk shot because it is a gun shot with a "k" added at the middle

[small timber]

gunk shot is a reference to a pokemon move that also shotgun at the enemy, it is kind of a shit reference but it is a reference

meanwhile shotgunk is a literal shotgun with k added at the end because the original name is gunk shot therefore the suggestor wanted it to be rearranged without consideration that it will completely lose its original reference and meaning just because it is "easier to read"

[ashen warren]

didn't they discourage adding references from other game or whatnot

[small timber]

it will be like if Murasama is renamed to like "Musamara" or something, assuming the later is easier to read

[small timber]

they discourage suggestion from adding new reference but I think removing old reference is pretty much decided by the devs or unless the suggestion make a really good point

I think in this case it is just shotgunk is a not good alternative to the reference removal that they must honour the suggestion accordingly because the suggestion specified it must be renamed to "shotgunk", and not any other options

[wide river]

It likely would have passed were it to say merely "Rename Gunk Shot"

[small timber]

yeah

[ashen warren]

true

[oblique geyser]

Remove Gunk Shot

[wide river]

Even truer

[undone cedar]

Remove shotgunk

[regal willow]

🔥

[oblique geyser]

[worldly sparrow]

LETS GO

[halcyon zealot]

I don't like it either but calling it a shit name comes off pretty harsh
The change does just seem unnecessary, which is something that the denizens here are allergic to (not unreasonable)

[cobalt pewter]

so true

bro is just a normal shotgun!

what the fuck

every other statigel weapon has something to do with slimes or gel at least

[halcyon zealot]

Real

Overloaded blaster a real one

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

we could get rid of Gunk Shot and just move Overloaded Blaster from sg drop to statigel craft

plus OB is the only weapon in sg drop that aren't magic or summon

[atomic shell]

I hope gunk shot at least gets reworked eventually

there’s nothing slimy or gunky about it

just a shotgun

[ashen warren]

people tend to not like changes they didnt ask for

it's normal

[golden tulip]

theres a difference between not liking something and shitting on it

[cobalt pewter]

oh yeah are there any issues with the spiky balls sugg

was working so I didn't get to mention anything about it for a while

[untold pagoda]

BASED

we should give him money iirc

[hollow ridge]

?

[sand marlin]

Coke...

[hollow ridge]

strange

[untold pagoda]

hello

@rotund tree forced me to

[royal tapir]

Weak sauce

Shouldn’t need others

[north oracle]

Uh
Ok then

[gilded scroll]

[north oracle]

[untold pagoda]

-Removed Herobrine.

[north oracle]

We do a little trolling

[gilded scroll]

i had to lol

[north oracle]

Quick, make some big suggestions and hide these ones so they sneak into voting

[untold pagoda]

fr fr

[gilded scroll]

cmon, we need someone based

[serene barn]

suggestion warfare

[gilded scroll]

but i havent touched the update yet, so i cant suggest anything

quick, someone, think of something

[hollow shell]

@untold pagoda @gilded scroll >:(

[glad tundra]

oh no...

[gilded scroll]

shit, we got caught

[untold pagoda]

[hollow shell]

Don't post joke suggs

[glad tundra]

that was like the best suggestion ever i think?

[untold pagoda]

fr

[gilded scroll]

yes sir/ma'am

[hollow shell]

c'mon you've both been around for years you should know this

[untold pagoda]

herobrine would be a very good addition

[gilded scroll]

coke started it, tbh

tbh, it would be better then them somehow getting into voting

[untold pagoda]

nuh uh

[untold pagoda]

imagine just going through #suggestions-voting and seeing "add herobrine" "remove herobrine"

[glad tundra]

would have been brilliant

[untold pagoda]

civil war

[gilded scroll]

this feels like the time i managed to get a wulfrum toilet added lmfao

[untold pagoda]

what

[glad tundra]

what

[gilded scroll]

oh yeah, i made a suggestion to add a wulfrum toilet lmfao

it got through

[regal willow]

damn

[gilded scroll]

though i do need someone to confirm....

unless you wanna scroll for a long time

[glad tundra]

#suggestions-voting message real

[gilded scroll]

221 votes lol

[sand marlin]

Seen this already

[glad tundra]

WALLACE

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren

[odd geyser]

Wallace

[hollow shell]

Gee I wonder if this is an alt

[sand marlin]

🍀 moment

[ashen warren]

im sorry

[cobalt pewter]

clue

@thin hill just wanna say that's a based pfp

but the sugg is fine it seems

[thin hill]

Alrighty

Same goes to you🔥

[bold wave]

I think The Community should say in its tooltip what stat boosts it's giving

Somehow

Idk what's the best way to implement that

[small timber]

I thought it already do

[bold wave]

According to the wiki it doesn't, can someone check in-game?

[sand marlin]

It does show in game

[bold wave]

Oh ok

I'm glad I asked here before suggesting

[distant gyro]

stat meter and community don't have it on the tooltip sidebar because it's a hell cluster if it ever gets added

[drowsy plank]

doesnt 1.4.4 change how holy dodge works anyway

[small timber]

I think cal's changes override it?

though that is Death Mode specific I guess

also speaking of vanilla changes: does Cal have any plan to revert Chlorophyte armor to the vanilla beam crystal version (but maybe buffed)?
since currently the giga healing wave version is kind of just, super busted

[sand marlin]

Vanilla chloro is also cooler

[small timber]

it basically skews everything especially against Plantera with the tentacles, and basically solo Leviathan's minion too, and massive damage against any large target

cal's chloro is way better, but currently it is also way too good

[sand marlin]

Idk the healing pulse feels a bit bland

And the reason it's so good is because it's op obv.

Destroys everything in grinding, destroys some boss minions as you said, heals on top of that

(Also destroys your soul in pvp)

[distant gyro]

now that's a hot take considering like it is the most reused minion trope

but maybe

[sand marlin]

It was one of the worst before the 1.4.4 change

Now it's just real neat

[distant gyro]

isn't it still functionally the same which is like

[sand marlin]

It does the same job but now it's hitscan

[distant gyro]

deathstare rod

[sand marlin]

Yea

[distant gyro]

i stand by my statement then

[cobalt pewter]

I stand by the fact that any items with over 5 lines of tooltip should have the shift to expand feature and a shortened version of the tooltip

we love [Giga Chungus] accessory with a lot of tooltips

[distant gyro]

also full answer to the chloro question

[cobalt pewter]

(basically anything post dog)

[distant gyro]

there are thoughts about making ranged chloro get the snipe because it's ranged

melee chloro gets the pulse because it's melee (maybe at a shorter range with the nerf)

[sand marlin]

[distant gyro]

mage gets whatever the fuck

[sand marlin]

Mage probably doesn't need anything fancy considering brimflame

[distant gyro]

if nothing comes out of a new chloro mage effect then it'll also get snipe and only melee keeps the pulse

[fervent orbit]

but wat about ranger????????????????

[sand marlin]

Rangers gets the snipe initially

[sand marlin]

Pretty much

Also this way Chloro can outperform Mythril Flares finally probably

(Hopefully)

[drowsy plank]

ranged chloro could now give +10% sniper damage too

[sand marlin]

To what snipers

[drowsy plank]

ture..,.,.

[distant gyro]

reverse point blank mechanic

[small timber]

mage get the healing

(surprisingly mage is the "healing" class beside rogue just having lifesteal as identity for some reason)

[sand marlin]

I have used Spectre healing until the end of the game in multiplayer

[small timber]

though I think the pulse should either just linger for less duration or deal less damage in general; currently it is just 1k damage per pulse or something

[sand marlin]

And I can safely say it's broken as fuck even with the cooldown

[fervent orbit]

wanted a healer class anyway? we had a tool for that. it was called mage

[small timber]

mage unironically just have build in healing, in all of hydrothermic, nebula (kind of), tarragon bloodflare silva all have lifesteal effect, + spectre so mage basically start healing from post-Plantera

and post-Plantera is about the time where all classes build up their class identity

only like prismatic dont have lifesteal I think

[fervent orbit]

spectre healing

[distant gyro]

melee gets lifestealing weapons

mage gets lifestealing armor

[cobalt pewter]

isn't that halo sniper (deal more dmg the further the target)

or something

[distant gyro]

rogue gets lifestealing accessories

[small timber]

ranger have uhh, bloodfire bullet and arrow

[distant gyro]

the trilogy

[cobalt pewter]

we should KILL lifesteal

[fervent orbit]

lifesteal ammo

[small timber]

summoner lifestealing minion soon™️

[distant gyro]

lifestealing whip actually

[golden sonnet]

Dragonblood disgorger smh

[small timber]

summoner should have either lifesteal or defense boost from whips buff tbh

(and generally make all enemies deal slightly more damage at like post-ML)

[fervent orbit]

kill tag damage, give us unique effects

[golden sonnet]

Based

[small timber]

ice whips boost specifically and only ice clasper damage by 30%

[sand marlin]

Give us unique effects that integrate tag damage

[fervent orbit]

no

c:

[tired haven]

ranger chloro becomes shroomite on oatmeal

become one with the plant life...

[drowsy plank]

wait do voodoo demons spawn at the spawn island in cal gfb?

[south hollow]

Yes

And they one shot you

[drowsy plank]

weird

[novel belfry]

i cheated in a voodoo demon voodoo doll cause they were just that infuriating

[south hollow]

Same

I hope this is just a bug

[novel belfry]

literally couldn't do any progress on the spawn island cause it was just that annoying

[south hollow]

I think I’m going to wait for the next patch before I restart my Calamity GFB playthrough

[novel belfry]

also speaking of gfb

[wide river]

Hey um, sorry if I'm not supposed to talk about this, but what was the result of this suggestion?
I haven't received an update about it since it was passed to the dev server, which was a little over 3 weeks ago. I also looked in game and I saw that Jetstream Sam still works with the Murasama, so was it denied?
The suggestion: #suggestions-discussion message

[novel belfry]

hmm

weird

[sleek turret]

yeah that's weird

[bright crag]

Don't quite know what happened to it, but it's 6 x 5 rn

Maybe it was a tie....?

Idk

[wide river]

That seems like the likely candidate
The tooltip was changed in the port so it no longer mentioned "having the correct ID", but the name still works, so I guess it would have received a 🔒

It's just less obvious now that it works

I think the bot was down around the time it would have been voted on, so maybe that's why there was no update on it

[north oracle]

so i think this falls under "adding a config to revert a change"

[wide river]

Half the reason is also based on a true melee-only run
That's another don't

[north oracle]

yeh

[north oracle]

@wintry gale and below

[grim tusk]

Although requesting an accessory to disable melee shots like the Taunted Enchantment might be allowed depending on the reasoning.

This reasoning is just no

[wintry gale]

Alright

[deft yew]

i never believed night's was false melee in the first place

[grim tusk]

Yea it became with 1.4.4

[deft yew]

wait yall consider it not true melee?

[grim tusk]

It has a projectile now

Kinda

[deft yew]

not enough for me to change my mind, but shrug

what about like excals and horseman's

[grim tusk]

Yea those I’d consider Tru meme

[bright crag]

1. This sounds like hell to balance

2. This seems like a suggestion made exclusively for the sake of subclass viability, something that (iirc) is a suggestion "don't"

[drowsy plank]

Burning Blood stop being a problem child impossible difficulty

[wide river]

Yeah, it is

[crude geode]

What type of debuff even is burning blood

Does it even have a type

[wide river]

It looks like it's typeless

[crude geode]

Figures

[bold wave]

Maybe it should reduce defense, like a weaker version of ichor

[drowsy plank]

i have literally asked like 5 times for it to be marked as sickness but it's still typeless it makes no fucking sense 💥

[crude geode]

I would try to be devil’s advocate and say it sounds a bit violent for a disease but like we have the plague so I don’t think that matters

[grim tusk]

Aint it sickness?

[grim tusk]

Oh

[crude geode]

insert cogni losing his mind even more

[drowsy plank]

[crude geode]

Clearly it should be electric

[wide river]

Water debuff because it's blood and blood is full of water

[golden sonnet]

Pulling out the Avatar logic

[wide river]

Real

[drowsy plank]

me every time im reminded we can't remove golem from progression entirely because of stupid hardcoded vanilla bullshit

[steep pivot]

is that why?? is it just something hardcoded that calamity cant fix?

[drowsy plank]

it's why you can't do cultist pre-WoF with eidolon tablet, or spawn golem with the altar pre-Plantera

[steep pivot]

Man

[hushed scarab]

man

[drowsy plank]

in case i am wrong i will leave it up but if a dev comes by and flags it dont be suprised

[hushed scarab]

honestly, i wouldnt be surprised if it was hardcoded

[distant gyro]

it's not only hardcoded once but twice so it requires twice as much il editing

[golden sonnet]

I love terraria

[hushed scarab]

[golden sonnet]

Truly flawless

[drowsy plank]

[hushed scarab]

incredible

[steep pivot]

why do i play this game

[drowsy plank]

terraria 2 will remove all non-linearity

[ashen warren]

[hushed scarab]

funny pixel game

[drowsy plank]

also we all play terraria because literally no one else has done it better yet 💥

[wide river]

Good lord

Vanilla really didn't want people to get to Golem before Plantera

[drowsy plank]

it's because he is

still a joke

[steep pivot]

couldnt calamity just add a new celestial sigil type item the way they added a new golem spawning item though instead

[drowsy plank]

augh

god please no more of those

speaking of that

[livid coral]

What if you wanted to speedrun

but Redigit said

HARDCODE

[hushed scarab]

LMAOOO

[novel belfry]

I refuse to consider the new Night's Edge a false melee

[worthy fiber]

you guys have false melee now?

[novel belfry]

probably because you still have to get really close to the enemy to hit the projectile

hell, BOTH the normal and True Excaliburs also have really short "extended swing" projectiles

except even more like actual swings so they're even more of a candidate for being still classified true melees

[cobalt pewter]

vanilla unsafe walls are so based tbh

[buoyant idol]

Excalibur is definitely True Melee, but Nights Edge isn't because you can run the other way and the projectile lingers behind. Notice you don't have to face the wall of flesh to attack it.

[south bolt]

Most melee weapons don't swing only in the direction you are facing anyways. So your point is pretty invalid

Also true melee is lame(the one that just swing normally and have an effect upon hit, not the Excalibur or nights edge since they look cool).

Calamity should make their true melee at least have special swing animations.

[golden sonnet]

True melee is dying

[south bolt]

Would make it more satisfying and more powerful(since you could hit below yourself in boss fights)

[south bolt]

I would say that's just because calamity makes the true melee class pretty boring and generic

[deft yew]

The broadsword-shortsword discrepancy would never have been a problem if the broadsword swing style didn’t SUCK

I HATE BROADSWORD SWING STYLE

[golden sonnet]

#1042197406776827914 message

[deft yew]

I do not think that was the point of the message

[golden sonnet]

I was referring to it for my statement about true melee dying

[deft yew]

m

[drowsy plank]

fuck true melee

all my homies love Heroic™️ (Name Pending)

[crude geode]

Eh

It feels like a result of cal’s focus on bosses over literally anything else

[deft yew]

i'm just gonna assume every mention of true melee refers to the damage class

[deft yew]

bosses who absolutely love to Not get close

[crude geode]

where every weapon ever has to be viable on every boss

[north oracle]

and yet EoL is still the worst because not only does she not get close, she actively moves away literally every time you try
she doesn't even give you a chance

[deft yew]

fly up into her and get force-fed a projectile

[golden sonnet]

On the one hand every weapon should not be boss focused, on the other hand completely invalidating close range is cringe

It's a compromise

[crude geode]

Not really a good one

[cobalt pewter]

yeah that's my biggest draw with the Heroic concept ozz is cooking

on one hand yes it'd fix issues but on the other hand, this is going backwards in terms of philosophy ig?

[drowsy plank]

wdym backwards

[deft yew]

ok yeah i've already made the conclusion to this argument in my head

[crude geode]

🤓

[deft yew]

because i've seen it before

[cobalt pewter]

bro has oracle powers

[deft yew]

and it's the same every time

[glass arch]

is the conclusion a mod stepping in and forcing it to end

[wide river]

Very likely

[deft yew]

that's happened?

not that i'm surprised

[crude geode]

In general with arguments here

[cobalt pewter]

cal has tried to diminish the massive favoritism over bosses in the mod from what I observed, and the Heroic concept might as well be a 100 steps backwards from that

[glass arch]

i dont even know what the argument is about its just that its in sugg disc which means its probably never gonna end unless a mod forces it to

[north oracle]

[cobalt pewter]

this is true

[wide river]

Sugg-disc users try to have a calm and reasonable debate challenge (impossible)

[cobalt pewter]

well tbf a mod's joining in, so gotta have a neutral force

[drowsy plank]

i think heroic is the opposite because it allows weapons to stop butchering every normal enemy while still being fun to use on bosses

[cobalt pewter]

either way yes I do not like the Heroic concept thing all that much

[golden sonnet]

My thoughts

[glass arch]

anyways the heroic concept is just like
it has piss range so it deals more damage on bosses
but you dont need that extra damage on regular enemies because theres no enemy that i can think of that has ai as complex as a boss

[drowsy plank]

so things like. a single ore sword invalidating every early game zombie or something won't happen anymore

[deft yew]

Cragmaw Mire

[drowsy plank]

isn't cragmaw a miniboss

[glass arch]

like

[glass arch]

yes

[glass arch]

when is a regular zombie EVER threatening outside of maybe the first night

[crude geode]

This is still my problem with the concept of heroic

[glass arch]

heroic is so that the weapons are viable at all

like yes true melee is good right now

but most of the time it gets extremely overshadowed by everything that isnt true melee

[drowsy plank]

well yes this is just how weapon testing works right now
the alternative is just leaving a bunch of useless crap in i guess
i think event testing is something that could be possible but that is neither here nor there
and at the end of the day there are still things like joke weapons like i dont think cal cares to make paper airplanes or lawn mowers viable

[deft yew]

true melee is good right now because tank is absurdly good and easy to build for right now

[crude geode]

Event testing is arguably the solution to this problem

[golden sonnet]

slick cane too, titan arm

[deft yew]

Paper Airplane is not a weapon and was never meant to be a weapon, and this goes for a lot

change my mind

[crude geode]

Where weapon testing is only focused on bosses

[deft yew]

the fact it deals damage is just a funny little side note

[wide river]

Lawn Mower when Moon Lord kill (it takes too long)

[glass arch]

yeah this goes for a lot of things

[drowsy plank]

u are correct paper airplane dealing damage is more of a bonus then an intended effect

can't wait for the donor paper airplane upgrade tho

[deft yew]

i mean the effect is intended

the USE is not

[drowsy plank]

u get what i mean

[deft yew]

ye

[cobalt pewter]

events are just

guh right now, maybe if cal actually established an actual goal beyond killing Everything people would have more fun with them

but yeah event testing could work, I guess? would be pretty big of a variance in time but otherwise ye

[drowsy plank]

if they didnt deal damage no one would be suprised or anything lmao

[glass arch]

dont give them any ideas PLEASE GOD

[drowsy plank]

i mean we already have flare gun weapons

[drowsy plank]

imagine if pillars didnt have shields

[wide river]

It's bound to happen
Donor Lawn Mower upgrade at Exo tier that does 12 damage instead of 8

[deft yew]

those aren't donor so we're allowed to criticize them iirc

[drowsy plank]

first event with a goal other than butchering 800 million enemies

[glass arch]

one (1) flare gun upgrade

[drowsy plank]

erm

2, actually

[cobalt pewter]

or goblin army is a ctf event and not just a mass genocide event

[deft yew]

3? spark spreader, firestorm and spectralstorm

[drowsy plank]

demon army with capturable/defendable flag when

remember that

[deft yew]

i do remember that

[glass arch]

not according to the wiki for spark spreader

[deft yew]

and it makes me remember my crags concepts and that makes me depressed

[crude geode]

arguably this convo should be happening in balance suggs but whateves
I think even if events are shitty kill everything snoozefests, they should work for testing weapons meant to deal with crowds/hordes of knockback weak enemies

[drowsy plank]

i suppose we could move there

[deft yew]

do you want me to bring up boss design in the balance thread of all places

[drowsy plank]

i dont really care all that much

[wide river]

Maybe the very concept of events in Terraria was flawed from the point that 90% of them are "kill x amount of enemies" and the remaining 10% are "kill enemies in x amount of time"

[cobalt pewter]

boss design is an immovable object

[cobalt pewter]

get this man a true

[deft yew]

and the source of most if not all problems brought up here, if you ask me

[glass arch]

:true:

[deft yew]

here as in the convo not the channel lol

[glass arch]

boss design is one of the things of all time

[drowsy plank]

how would yall fix some of the current events

[deft yew]

i would rather pull out the issue at the root than spray twenty different herbicides on it

but i digress

[crude geode]

Different objectives as brought up earlier

[drowsy plank]

okay i meant list some of them lmao

[deft yew]

for one, the pillars could puppet their enemies like a hive mind

[crude geode]

Moving around during hordes is difficult but feels way more interesting than hiding in some invincible cube or something

[deft yew]

create very large-scale coordinated patterns with that

like you're actually fighting an army

[crude geode]

So having to capture a flag or hunt down offscreen roots for a mourning wood would be a neat addition

[deft yew]

oh yeah do stationary event bosses

raid boss kinda

[crude geode]

As much flak as the moons get, they’re probably the best event in vanilla tbfh

[wide river]

Make it so half of them aren't invalidated by wings
Like that's the biggest gripe I have with events at the moment. Most of the enemies are grounded enemies, so if you just keep flying, that's the threat gone for the most part
If it either forced you to stay close to the ground like the Solar Pillar (Though obviously with better execution), or had more aerial threats, I think events might be better

[drowsy plank]

it's funny how

[glass arch]

when the https://youtu.be/c1ynVxd05j8

[drowsy plank]

old one's army does this

of all things

[crude geode]

It kinda does

Just with really shitty execution

[glass arch]

(even though its not fully stationary its a goog example for how they could be done)

[cobalt pewter]

as I said earlier: give primary objectives and put genocide into #2

goblin army: peons carry flags now and carrying one of them for a set amount of time boosts the event progress, taking damage takes off the flag

acid rain: dive deep into sulphurous seas and collect things rooted in the canals

pirates: flying dutchman's primary objective will be capturing town NPCs, if no town NPCs remain before the ship dies the event is cancelled prematurely and the thing despawns

ig

[drowsy plank]

those are pretty cool ideas

[crude geode]

This is also a very important point tbfh

[glass arch]

yeah theres uhhh

most events have a flying unit that can hit you the issue si

they're normal ass enemies

so not threatening at all

[cobalt pewter]

give every hm event a crawltipede

[drowsy plank]

you joke but literally this would help a lot

[glass arch]

just uhhhh

[deft yew]

slithering eels but you have to button mash to yank the eel out of its hidey hole

[drowsy plank]

turn shockstorm shuttles into normal martian event enemies

[deft yew]

KILL shockstorm shuttle

why is it ???

[glass arch]

limit wing flight to 1 second

[cobalt pewter]

true!

[glass arch]

this will surely not have any unforeseen consequences

[drowsy plank]

i get why people hate it spawning in space but literally it would solve the issue of no flying enemies in that event

which is a good start

[cobalt pewter]

or just do that one rhythm game where you press a direction button in a specific timing to yank it out

[wide river]

Just disable wings like TSA subworlds

[drowsy plank]

besides the main UFO ig

[glass arch]

but consider

the saucer is a miniboss

[cobalt pewter]

Shuttle being a martian enemy would be nice ig

[crude geode]

The fact that so many people cheese saucer is so cringe

[glass arch]

so it spawns a hell of a lot less than everything else

[cobalt pewter]

is it even still cheesable

I know you can't get under blocks for its laser anymore

[glass arch]

i think the laser goes through blocks now

[crude geode]

Sick

[wide river]

I remember when the laser didn't go through blocks so you could create a box to cheese the whole event from
God I'm old

[drowsy plank]

it does

it also isnt hard to kill lmao

[crude geode]

Also suffers from boss syndrome and

[sleek turret]

any piercing weapon or explosion on hit weapon melts saucer

[crude geode]

[glass arch]

its still possible to cheese because a roof invalidates literally every other projectile it has

[cobalt pewter]

yeah aoe fucks saucer hard

[cobalt pewter]

true...

[sleek turret]

same with like most events tbh

[glass arch]

and its not like the main laser is hard to dodge

[drowsy plank]

i dont mind saucer being easy you still have the barf of the rest of martians + electrified to worry about xd

[glass arch]

the main laser is one of if not the easiest thing to dodge out of its entire kit because its not projectile vomit or heat seeking missiles

[cobalt pewter]

main laser should just be like Librarians in Dead Cells tbh

, but then again Terraria doesn't have an innate dash so you'd be forced to have a dash against that kinda attack

[sleek turret]

p2 saucer moment

[wide river]

Martian Saucer and Betsy having existential crises trying to decide if they're a boss or a miniboss
(I'm not joking when the wiki refers to them as a miniboss but the Bestiary shows it in the Boss tab)

[sleek turret]

pseudo-miniboss

[glass arch]

isnt the saucer a normal ass enemy in the code

like not even with the boss flag

[drowsy plank]

lol what if the holiday moons gave you treasure bags at the end of the event based on your score

[wide river]

Gacha pulls

[drowsy plank]

but it would fix being able to just kill one boss early and being able to shred the rest of the event since death is no penalty in events

[sleek turret]

unironically wouldn't be a bad idea tbh

[wide river]

Hey maybe this would help fix the whole "Are the moons post-Plantera or post-Golem" debacle

[glass arch]

if dying in the events removed score/wave percent thatd at least be a penalty

[wide river]

We've done it suggesters
We've solved the moons

[cobalt pewter]

honestly yeah that's not a bad idea

rn the scores do not do anything tangible beyond dick measuring contest ig?

[drowsy plank]

correct

[cobalt pewter]

what are you even measuring

[sleek turret]

emode added penalty to dying at moon events like a few updates ago

[wide river]

It's literally just flex points

[glass arch]

bc then if you keep dying over and over you never get to progress the event and are stuck with the shit tier enemies and dont get any of the minibosses for the goog loot

[sleek turret]

yeah they're vanity fancy points you can shove onto other people faces idfk

otherwise they don't have other gameplay effects

[drowsy plank]

if you wanted you could even have some kind of internal counter that increased the chance of the post event loot bag have certain miniboss drops depending on the number killed

like killing 10 ice queens guarntees an ice queen drop or something

[glass arch]

yknow what if this never gets suggested i might put it in prgrmr in ccc

[drowsy plank]

was considering it

it's right on the edge, yknow?

[wide river]

Where's Doze when you need them

[drowsy plank]

is this too much work for calmain devs? do they care about events?

[glass arch]

on a mission trip

[wide river]

Alas, gone

[wide river]

Give me a moment to consider the whole thing

[glass arch]

i think they do care about the events

[sleek turret]

tbh just suggest it and see what happens i think

[crude geode]

Based on how they made acid rain I think they do

[glass arch]

i just dont know if they want to put this much effort into overhauling them even though it seems to be the cleanest solution we've come up with

[worldly sparrow]

god dont make the coin gun more accesible

[glass arch]

actually

make it more accessible

[sleek turret]

pirates don't have score though?

[crude geode]

Coin gun is funny

[sleek turret]

they just have % system

[glass arch]

because then theres a good reason to cap the ammo to gold

[wide river]

I'd say we might be fine to suggest it, judging by the section at the bottom of the High Effort Don't

Note: This does not mean that suggestions which will be difficult to execute are all disallowed. This Don't applies mainly to suggestions which will have a significant impact on the identity of the mod as a whole, changing the course of the mod's development. Suggestions which are hard to do but are once-and-done or wouldn't extend beyond a single update (and wouldn't require the focus of a major update) are typically fine.

[drowsy plank]

coin gun does
not drop from the holiday moons what

[glass arch]

most players are probably gonna be using gold anyways because while platinum is easily accessible in cal gold is way more abundant early hardmode

[worldly sparrow]

it drops from an event

[sleek turret]

yeah it's fine to suggest it

[drowsy plank]

and we already talked about the neat other ways the other events would work

the score solution is only for the moons

[worldly sparrow]

ok good

[sleek turret]

it doesn't significally impact the identity of the mod

[drowsy plank]

bc they
yknow
have a score

[worldly sparrow]

coin gun odds were already amped up to ~7% per invasion in 1.4.4

we dont need more

[crude geode]

Coin gun is gonna be a balance headache no matter what that’s the point of it

[glass arch]

mechs queen slime and alts only give what 3 plat per kill? thats a total of 3 shots you can fire with the coin gun per kill

[drowsy plank]

the idea for pirates was to focus more on the raiding part and if all ur town NPCs died the event would end or something

[worldly sparrow]

fr

its meant to be the holy grail for ranged players

[wide river]

1.4.4 making NPCs not quite a headache to move back in would make that one more feasible, certainly

[drowsy plank]

you know events ending if you died or failed their condition actually works because event spawners are also non-consumable

[cobalt pewter]

counterpoint: acid rain is a cal event that spans across most of the progression

[crude geode]

What

How is that a counterpoint

[cobalt pewter]

idk I am drunk

anyways

[sleek turret]

goblin army gives like 3 very important things for the entire game?

[cobalt pewter]

does it?

I mean tinkerer is a being ig

[glass arch]

tinkerer first shadowflame and

[sleek turret]

rocket boots, reforges, acc combining

[drowsy plank]

spiky balls for rogue ig

[cobalt pewter]

that is true I spose

[sleek turret]

yeah it's a lot but i wanted to look at vanilla stuff first

[worldly sparrow]

lmao spiky balls are legit broken

[drowsy plank]

tfw half of the importance of goblins for the game is condensed entirely in tinkerer

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, we need something important that drops from the others

[sleek turret]

pirates (gold furniture that sells for 2 gold each)

[glass arch]

i fucking hate the gold furniture

[sleek turret]

and some silly money related accs and like 2-4 weapons

[drowsy plank]

yknow what would make more sense
if martians were more like pillars and killing enough martians dropped a shield from around the UFO tbqh

[glass arch]

like

it does nothing but clog your inventory

[crude geode]

God yes

[worldly sparrow]

hell yeah

[crude geode]

That way you can also have the ufo there from the start

and consistently there

[worldly sparrow]

only good things from pirate event are:
accesories that save money
coin gun
black spot

[glass arch]

black spot isnt even that great

[worldly sparrow]

its still a reliable flying mount

even if it doesnt go at mach 2 anymore

[sleek turret]

pirate npc that everyone forgets which is ok tbh since he sells kinda useless stuff you can play with

[drowsy plank]

wait

what

if we moved golden furniture

to pirate's shop

[sleek turret]

it would be good tbh

not sure if it would cap the shop slots though

[worldly sparrow]

it would fix inventory clog during pirates

mostly

[drowsy plank]

20 items...

[crude geode]

Imma keep it real

Inventory clog should not be a problem at this point

What with void bag and even more accessible money trough

[drowsy plank]

10+20 = 30

how many slots in a shop again

[cobalt pewter]

40?

[worldly sparrow]

40!

[drowsy plank]

yup

totally works

[sleek turret]

yeah its doable

[wide river]

#suggestions-discussion users on their way to fix Terraria flaws for the 8293rd time

(There are many)

[drowsy plank]

done

someone else can sugg the other event suggestions I used up all my slots

[wide river]

I'll make the moons one once I get a draft up

Can't wait for all of these to get received incredibly poorly in voting because the voters don't like change

[crude geode]

Also bc it’s a very busy time for suggs

New update and all

[drowsy plank]

me when the mod modifies the game

[wide river]

Fans of video game modifications when the video game modification modifies the video game or something

[crude geode]

so true

[worldly sparrow]

Fans relating to a part that which is more whole between video game modifications as to what time a certain and definite article of which is a video game modification modifies a certain and definite article of which is a video game or something

[novel belfry]

[golden sonnet]

@wintry gale Lifeforce can be obtained from obsidian chests, and from sulphuric and abyssal treasure

so they aren't really hardmode exclusive, its just that the only non limited way is HM exclusive

[grim tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225030931008847874/956723544782422036/output.gif

[wide river]

Exactly

[small timber]

cal in fact most of the time didn't modify the games enough

(though people play terraria for a reason so there is a real argument as to why some of the vanilla aspect are kept as it is, but some improvement can be made elsewhere)

[wide river]

Mmk I'm drawing a blank so I can't make a draft unfortunately
Still a cool idea, I'll keep it in my suggestion notes for when I can think of a way to write it up

[grim tusk]

• https://youtu.be/tX69I1GUMbg
• The year is 2024
• [Rover’s quote]

[worldly sparrow]

this is literally the early hardmode rework

[novel belfry]

funnily enough, I use the early hardmode rework, yet i try to work around it anyways by fishing

no really

you can get around it by fishing

[wide river]

Yes that is unintended behavior

[novel belfry]

or at least, you could in the previous updates

not sure if they fixed that in this update

i mean, fishing HAS a history of non-linearity

calamity brought the Reaver Shark back to its glory

[cobalt heath]

they should just add the weapon function button

to be able to remap these things in general

Cus I would prefer having the rmb for something else

or lmb, whenever I play left handed

[midnight patio]

Yeah, I'm a freak who prefers playing on controller and having everything mapped to the button I use for like, 3 other things is a tad annoying

Even when I'm playing keyboard and mouse I'd rather have these things mapped to one of the buttons on the side of my mouse

[cobalt heath]

It should not be a hard thing to do, as most secondary function weapons have been moved to rmb

You can vote for the sugg

In voting for it

[ashen warren]

long boi

[sand marlin]

Another one

#suggestions-discussion message for context

[ashen warren]

damn

we're going again

[sand marlin]

Removing the descendants seem likely impossible

You can just throw that part out ez

The descendants fit their theming fine and have their own unique effects as counterparts and do not relate to the terra problem at all

[ashen warren]

lunarian bow:

[sand marlin]

That's what you meant by descendants?

Well

Lunarian Bow is fine it just needs not be terra themed

[ashen warren]

did i mean ancestors

idek

[ashen warren]

exactly

[small timber]

they can just change lunarian bow projectile colour from green to purple and it will fit the nightedge theme

[ashen warren]

not really

[sand marlin]

Ok yeah I now understand what exactly you meant by descendants

Terra related things that cal adds

[ashen warren]

yes

don't think i worded that too well

[sand marlin]

I thought it referred to the crimson/corruption/dungeon/hell categories

[ashen warren]

wait what

what does it mean now

[ashen warren]

this

but you were right

i should change that

[sand marlin]

Since those combine into terra

[ashen warren]

yea

[sand marlin]

Frankly cal just doesn't need descandants at all

There is Terra Blade which is the only terra thing that crafts into Zenith, the main end of the op sword line

If at least some of these cal descandants related to there somehow then it'd make more sense for them to be themed around terra

[ashen warren]

the problem with that is the terra weapons would no longer be thematically correct recipe-wise

just another throwaway terra weapon that you don't work for

[sand marlin]

True

[cobalt heath]

Imo it should be fleshed out to terra->celestial->exo

Just have that be the line

[sand marlin]

Hm

That might not be so bad

Zenith is kinda celestial anyway

[cobalt heath]

it is, cus fucking ark

that one modern celestial line

[sand marlin]

Idk what to say about that line

I don't use 90% of it

It doesn't feel right for me after the rework so I haven't had any reason to use it(+melee is not as broken a class as before now)

I'll play melee soon trademark

[cobalt heath]

It's ibans best work

but my god is it annoying in terms of the other weapons

cus it's the exeption in this lining

most other celestials turn into exo weapons

an easy fix for this would be to make AoTA not in celestial tier

rather it being a pre ml weapon

done easy fix

and make omega biome blade post provi

[drowsy plank]

something something weapon right clicks are weird

regardless what would attunement be bound to then...?

[midnight patio]

Nothing by default, just like all the other mod controls.
The player could map it to whatever is most convenient to them

Hell someone suggested an "item action" button so stuff like weapons or certain summons don't share the same button you use to interact with the environment

[bright crag]

That's basically the old intention
(Unrelated to plans)

We don't quite know what to do with Terra, but I assure you that it's on our radar

[stable kiln]

@ashen warren already planned, a suggestion of this also passed a few weeks ago

[bright crag]

It's something we'll discuss along with Perennial because they are kinda intertwined in the proposals

[bright crag]

👆

[drowsy plank]

can one of yall come 🔒 it when it gets into voting then

or i can do it too ig

[bright crag]

(It was denied on a technicality if I'm not mistaken - we'll likely rework, the suggestion involved either removing or decisions that likely don't correspond to our rework goals)

We don't have concrete rework plans, it's just that "we plan on doing something about it, it will probably be a rework, we need to discuss it further in the future"

[drowsy plank]

a plan to have a plan is still a plan so ill just lock it in voting

[bright crag]

Yeah

[cobalt heath]

and it works

[bright crag]

It's currently quite all over the place

As you can see

• Ark of the Elements being entirely detached from Terra and Exo
• Some Terra sets having weird recipes (Terra Disk, for example)
• Some Elemental items not using Terra weapons (Augur of the Elements, for example)
• Some Exo items not using Elemental weapons (Exoblade, Supernova, Magnomaly Cannon)
• Recipes being inconsistent in component count and mechanical progression

[ashen warren]

sorry, i was out

[dense ferry]

As much as I think the reasoning for the last sugg on Voting is perfectly fair

I just have one question

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PLAYING HARDCORE GFB 😭😭😭

[coral carbon]

wtf I didnt even notice that

[dense ferry]

I think it's fair tho, as much as the seed is a meme

Isn't too fun to have to deal with WoF so early on

And multiple times

There is a difference between being a meme and bad, and being annoying and bad

[coral carbon]

this is what separates the the lordes from

uh

evil corn from terraria tremors mod

[dense ferry]

Yeah, we would've made Provi in GFB have TDR btw

But chose not to because that'd be boring and annoying over just funny and over the top

[toxic basalt]

Ok you guys can shoot me now

[toxic basalt]

ok it's midnight so I'll have to come back to see the responses

[hearty yew]

#suggestions-voting message
We have already removed the Magic Mirror recipe

This suggestion is already done

[glass arch]

ig just react with 🏁 (i think thats the implemented react)

[cobalt pewter]

flag time

[deft yew]

as in you did for the port or you will in a patch?

[hearty yew]

It is not yet released, but has been done for the next patch update.

[deft yew]

just making sure

[hearty yew]

yea, all good

[deft yew]

(is it gonna get flagged lol

[grave zinc]

@deft yew - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Calamity's Magic Mirror recipe]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[deft yew]

thumby

[distant gyro]

ice mirror is gone too

[cobalt pewter]

can't believe they banished the magic mirror alt

[ashen warren]

[tough ledge]

#suggestions-posting message
@cobalt heath my guy. Rogue needs a lunar armor equivalent to match the other 4 classes.

Though, I guess it is kinda pointless to make it need Stardust for it to be useful and could use 2 Rogue Weapons too.

[north oracle]

you can entirely remove meld constructs and use meld blobs in the recipe with 0 change in function

[tough ledge]

yep yep yep

[hollow shell]

Ah, I guess that could be explicitly stated in the suggestion
All uses replaced with Meld Blobs

[small timber]

I dont really felt gigablast is the main problem during seeker tbh

Like, seeker is just not that hard to dodge during normal phase, it is literally a matter of flying up

It is more when scal seeker start firing during mobile or dash (specifically) it get really fucked

Which is more of a problem with seeker + mobile, not really gigablast during seeker

[crude geode]

My brother in christ https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Empyrean_armor

[tough ledge]

you just proved my point

[crude geode]

What

[wide river]

Removing Meld Constructs does not necessarily mean that Empyrean armor gets removed too

[crude geode]

Oh that’s what Chester is trying to get at?

That if we remove constructs we somehow remove empyrean armor?????

[wide river]

It's just requesting a removal of the material, not the material and everything associated with it

[tough ledge]

thanks

[small timber]

@toxic basalt but yeah I will just ping

I think people might agree more if the suggestion is change how seeker works (maybe during mobile) than changing gigablast, at least imo

[wide river]

@left sparrow This is quite a subjective topic
I would like to point out how a good few people see Yharon as easier than DoG, so it's not an absolute that Yharon is harder than the other bosses around it
You also do not have very strong reasoning present here, at least not to me

[left sparrow]

I figured the reasoning would present itself in experience

The fact that yharon deals up to 300 damage per hit while also covering the entire screen in large projectiles is not fair

At all

[golden sonnet]

I find yharon way easier than DoG

and Scal a good bit harder

[left sparrow]

I'm confused

[golden sonnet]

although exos are easier than yharon tbh

[left sparrow]

DoG actually telegraphs his attacks and bashes are way easier on him

Meanwhile, on Yharon, whenever he does that sun attack

and then rams into you during that

you can just die instantly from that

[small timber]

Yharon telegraph all but teleport

[golden sonnet]

you Can RoD or NR for this and dodge it all

[wide river]

If you're dying instantly from Yharon's attacks, I would have to say you're enraging them

[left sparrow]

Instantly in that 2 attacks will kill me

Because he does absurd damage per hit

[left sparrow]

My screen apparently isn't big enough for this

I've tried that

[golden sonnet]

So does Scal and DoG

[golden sonnet]

ah, I play with max zoom out

[left sparrow]

DoG's lasers don't do 300 damage per hit

Oh I also max my zoom

[golden sonnet]

his head

[left sparrow]

His head is easy to ram and negate, though

[wide river]

I suppose I should ask, as I find this relevant
This is normal Yharon we're talking about here, not Infernum Yharon?

[left sparrow]

Normal, yeah

Infernum is a whole other mess lol

But at least it feels intended there

[golden sonnet]

normal as in not master either right?

[coral carbon]

at this moment, I would agree, but that's only because I've been dying to death mode Yharon all day
I will say that trying to avoid Yharon's dashing right after he covers the arena in fireballs is really annoying sometimes, though other than that I wont say anything because it would probably be super biased by the previously mentioned ass-whooping

[golden sonnet]

because master mode will always be dumb

[left sparrow]

This is the exact thing that gets me killed every time

Because there's literally too much going on

You either ram him and hope and pray to god that you don't accidentally hit a fireball

or you dodge a fireball and hope he doesn't scrape your knee for 200

[golden sonnet]

are you using CotBG and Rampart?

you may just be going too glass cannon

[left sparrow]

I'm not using core or rampart, actually

That could be the issue I guess?

But if the only option is to literally facetank it

That's bad

[golden sonnet]

they are both amazing for the fight regardless of class

rampart is a stupid broke accessory

and Core is a counter to yharons contact because it halves it

you can't facetank without a full tank build, but it makes the fight like infinitely easier

[small timber]

Before that, I would just ask:

What accessory and reforge are you using on yharon

[deft yew]

one small catch: flesh totem gets wasted when you ram which makes it completely useless

[small timber]

Because inb4 it is omega blue armor + gauntlet stacking and high on alcohol

[deft yew]

why negate contact every 20 seconds when you can negate contact all the time

[grim tusk]

“The only way to play the game build”

[crude geode]

I was expecting it to come in at some point

[wide river]

At some point someone's gonna update that meme

[small timber]

Need an updated version of it now that a bunch of it got removed

[left sparrow]

Currently doing a melee/summon setup

And ooooOOoO wingslot sue me

But violent reforge as well

[small timber]

I mean of course it is near glass cannon

Just slap like, rampart of deity and core of the blood god on it and retry yharon

It likely will be much, much easier

[left sparrow]

Though, I would like to bring up the earlier point

The actual suggestion

Someone mentioned that exo mechs does feel a bit easy, so at least the idea has some merit

[small timber]

The main distinction of yharon and scal/exo is that you cannot move blindly

As in, you cannt just move in a direction as expect to be fine

Exo mechs is abit overnerf and the devs know ot

[golden sonnet]

Imo the suggestion should be about the attack you struggle with, or about buffing exos, not a vague large rebalancing of multiple bosses

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[left sparrow]

Good idea, I'll revise it

[wide river]

And Scal is seen as easy because a lot of people do Exos first, which leads to getting really good stuff for Scal
If people were to do Scal first, she'd be a lot harder

[crude geode]

It sounds like your problem is mostly Yharon charging during sun bullet hell so focus on that

[small timber]

Scal is partially because she dont deal as much damage compare to yharon or exo imo

[golden sonnet]

As I personally agree the bullet hell into dash is very very difficult hence why I use NR for it every single time to avoid the issue entirely

[small timber]

Except for her dash her damage number is very forgiving

That and auric tesla 10 hp heal every like 5 second

Yharon eats your hp with evey hit

[deft yew]

exos being nearly free and giving you draeheart REALLY doesn't help her case either

[worldly sparrow]

every class gets one or two good weapons, a broken mount, and a broken accesory from draedon

so its easy to see why

[small timber]

Bullet hell into dash is more of a matter of positioning that is very unintuitive to spot, hence people just fall down a lot to try to dodge bh but end up having random spread bh projectile

[left sparrow]

Aight, revised

[wide river]

Scal REALLY needs more incentive to fight her first at this point
Despite being an "either/or" Scal just doesn't give enough stuff to warrant fighting her first

[crude geode]

I think it might be more the problem of exos having too much tbfh

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, her only drop that helps significnatly with exos is gael's greatsword i think

and even that is locked to death mode

[small timber]

If you mean yharon doing charge while BH is out, there is a very high chance it is intentional

Not saying guaranteed, but a high chance

Since the fight pretty much is dodging bh + ram at the sametime

[crude geode]

Exo weapons being the prime example of this

As well as box and drae heart

[worldly sparrow]

the box and draedon heart are enough to trivialize scal

you dont even need the weapons

[wide river]

Exos unlocking two weapon sets, an accessory, a mount, and an armor while Scal gives a single set of weapons and Enchantments which are eh

[deft yew]

scal needs to lose her vast array of janky unintuitive overlap / cheap hits, her weapons need to be buffed (at least somewhat), and exos need to be buffed quite a lot if not just rehashed

[small timber]

Her weapons generally do fine

[left sparrow]

It's specifically during the sun bullethell

The rest of them are fine

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, the weapon set is mid, enchants are rarely useful, and exhumations dont help much

[left sparrow]

But having both of those at once is too much

[small timber]

It is just exo is 3 different boss so often it look like her weapon is average

[worldly sparrow]

like yeah scal will eventually get her own armor set but that's long away

[small timber]

The sun bullethell is the main bullet hell

[crude geode]

Except it isn’t in practical terms

[deft yew]

don't help much? bro the exhumed weapons are all NUTS

[small timber]

It is the equivalent of scal's hellblast and gigablast

[deft yew]

shattered community is solid too

[left sparrow]

Then I guess my suggestion is just a "nerf this please"

[deft yew]

actually eh, i'm not sure whether rancor is good, but the other three are still nuts

[worldly sparrow]

if you're playing melee or ranged you dont get shit from exhumations

[deft yew]

this is true

[small timber]

most of scal's weapon are good to very good killtime, they are viable

[crude geode]

Did you see what I replied to?

[worldly sparrow]

melee doesn't get much at all from scal unless its death mode, in which case its basically just gael greatsword

[crude geode]

I meant exos being three bosses

[worldly sparrow]

and ranged gets condemnation, a very mid weapon

[small timber]

Exo being 3 bosses matters a lot

And in practical term it is

[deft yew]

they are in the sense that each is a very different degree of pierce-able

[small timber]

At least in affecting weapon viability

[left sparrow]

It didn't help lmao

I'm cheat killing Yharon at this point, this is garbage

[deft yew]

each twin is just one segment, ares is five, thana is 102

[small timber]

A bunch of weapon only do good on specifically 1 exo mech, single target, piercing, aoe etc

Their killtime often get skewed by the other 2

[deft yew]

ye

[worldly sparrow]

honestly if exo box and draedon heart were nerfed it would fix like half of the problems with scal post-exos being too easy

[deft yew]

the amount of CIT's weapon comments saying "thanatos kills it" pains me

[wide river]

Thanatos kills a lot of stuff

[oblique geyser]

Disable exo box fo SCal

[worldly sparrow]

thats what infernum does

and it works well

somehow

an infernum thing worked well

[crude geode]

I still think even tho exo weapons being tied behind exos exclusively, though thematically appropriate,means that SCal will always be behind until you shove an exorbitant amount of loot behind her

[deft yew]

ok infernum was brought up in sugg discussion i'm gonna leave before the thrown crap gets splattered on me by accident

[small timber]

Infernum have a lot more freedom to just do what they want

[worldly sparrow]

fair

[oblique geyser]

SCal should just always be after exos in my opinion

[deft yew]

in fact, this is the only reason infernum abyss isn't just a calamity thing

[small timber]

In cal they need to concern with things like "exo box being one of the main reason you fight exo and now you just cant use it" feels bad matter

[deft yew]

dom didn't want to wait on getting votes from like 50 other people and then another 50 come back from a year-long break and react to it negatively

[worldly sparrow]

just nerf exo box then

[small timber]

Yeah, same with profaned temple iirc

Exo box is already nerfed sufficiently

[oblique geyser]

Exo box should be post both bosses then

It's a horrible thing

[small timber]

It is just specifically for scal it is good

[worldly sparrow]

exo box is truly a dilemma of a mount

[oblique geyser]

It's like donor item hell but it's not a donor item

Draedon's Heart is at least semi balanced because it disables adrenaline

[worldly sparrow]

plus you can still technically die with heart

exo box just gives a level of control so great that it makes the bullet hells easy

[small timber]

not really because a lot of people just don't get adrenaline during scal fight

so it basically enable an on-call heal during the fight instead of lossing a damage boost

[crude geode]

^^^^^^

Adrenaline during SCal is a myth made up by the noshitters to convince us we can speed through phases

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, scal is one of the harder bosses to get adren off on

i can say that because i once nohit scal

[small timber]

well, I don't have the exact description of what you are doing so I am just posting this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QygU2jgQnwA
Except for specifically SP4/5 most of it is definitely very very dodgeable with BH + charge occuring at the sametime, you just have to find space horiozontally to ram, which means you should also move horizontally during BH so that you can ram
or you can just dodge the BH first by moving towards the centre before dodging charges, works too
the one thing you should not do is just try to move as far away as possible because then the bh projectile just become untraceable
or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW2K0WQ125w because this one actually have a more human arena

[tough ledge]

Scal improves your arsenal with enchantments

[small timber]

scal have incentive to fight her first

the problem is fighting exo first is much easier and about equal if not more rewarding

[tough ledge]

I prefer dealing with bullet hells for some reason

so I fight Scal first

[wide river]

Unfortunately, the Enchantments are not enough incentive, considering a vast majority suck or are "ok"
Exhumed, Aflame, and Lecherous are the only good ones iirc

[small timber]

and uhh, vigilance

with that explosion enchant

which unsurprisingly now that hellbound is fixed

[sand marlin]

Post BH dash is still not telegraphed

It kinda just flies into you without a roar

It would be so much easier if it had that cue

[sand marlin]

-Rework enchantments
-Make Condemnation good
-That's pretty much it, everything else feels fine

[small timber]

pretty sure they just buffed condemnation

[sand marlin]

They did?

How does it do on A&A?

[small timber]

and condemnation wasn't even bad last patch, it was just hard to aim, it was on killtime

[sand marlin]

It just didn't feel good to use last time I tried it out

Which was around 1.5.0

So that's pretty damn old

Ig I just haven't seen anything about Condemnation since then

[sand marlin]

Uhh wait

If it's on killtime AND hard to use

That doesn't really make it good?

[small timber]

that is last patch

which is why they are buffed this patch

[sand marlin]

Oh right

[small timber]

what I mean is that condemnation was not over killtime last patch and hard to use yeah
it was just average result while being hard to use

[cobalt heath]

literally yes

just remove the construct

and have the blobs replace them

[toxic basalt]

idk, it's just the case I'm getting constantly screwed over by the amount of gigablasts she fires at that point

[small timber]

is it by any chance nohitting again

[toxic basalt]

yes, it is

reason why it wasn't much of a problem before was because I got lucky

I fluked the fight from Bh4

but this time it's the other way around

BH1 all the way to BH4 is now super consistent for me

but once Bh4 ends, it all comes crashing down

[hollow ridge]

Thank god luck is a skill

[hollow ridge]

Then ur gonna have to work harder to put the boss in a more convenient spot and urself in a more convenient spot at the end of BH4. And have ur movement be based on the fact that you wanna dodge everything (duh) and get into that convenient spot

And if long blasts are somehow an issue

Make a strat for them

Cus going at it randomly ain't gonna cut it cheif

[toxic basalt]

I do the same movement every time

circling clockwise

[hollow ridge]

Does it work

[toxic basalt]

or anti-clockwise if I'm forced to

it worked when doing death normally

[hollow ridge]

Then why are you doing it

[toxic basalt]

but now it's more of sometimes works

[hollow ridge]

If it doesn't work don't do it

[toxic basalt]

because with the brimstone monsters, idk what else to do

they force you to go one way or the other

[hollow ridge]

If its annoying you as much as to have made a sugg, then try a strat that makes it always work, not "sometimes"

Also this isn't really relevant to the channel anymore

[toxic basalt]

@small timber actually I might change the suggestion to be more about the seekers than the gigas since they often get in the way more

there we go

@hollow ridge made a suggestion more about seekers than the gigas

at least the seekers actually have issues

[cobalt pewter]

I know I am the one who made the sugg to put light / dark shards into gss but like

I wonder if I can sugg to make the two interchangeable thru shimmer instead

[crude geode]

Pizza I thought you were cool and based and hated QoL features,,,

[cobalt pewter]

damn...

but I think GSS is fine as is atm, as the primary objective is to catch up with terrible recipes

[crude geode]

Yeah pretty much

[hollow ridge]

Dayum bruh you really dont like scal

Reading

Also u might wanna remove the sassiness at the end if u want to get a better audience (?)

And they fire every 3 seconds iirc

Could be wrong

Also I'd say the seekers serve as a way to further mount your nerves, cus after all you are fighting one of, if not the hardest boss in calamity

[hollow ridge]

Back to this plenty of weapons deal with seekers very fast

Melee: zenith
Ranger: photo LC
Mage: ssv
Rogue: celestus

Summoner idk, havent done much testing and stuff

[halcyon zealot]

Everything, even the auric armor 😭

[hollow ridge]

bruh

lmao

[halcyon zealot]

Kaleidoscope too maybe hitting like 3-5 of them for 2k damage each

[sand marlin]

Ares Exoskeleton tesla shred prob

[hollow ridge]

Oh yeah