suggestions-discussion

[worldly sparrow]

luckily for once the devs are on good pace for once

so it probably wont be multiple months after 1.4.4 becomes default

[wind ravine]

Thanks for answering, I appreciate that, I thought it was going to come out, since someone had told me that I could see it on calamity's discord.

[small timber]

I mean most weapon upgrades are just previous but more damage and projectile, in fact that is most of the upgrades

[untold pagoda]

its still boring

[small timber]

and I think specifically for piercing the dev said they don't want to do it to prevent balance shinanigans

[untold pagoda]

ok then no piercing

but it would be cool to have mechanical differences between them

[small timber]

but yeah, the rest are probably fine (you can even keep the piercing part to just see if a dev come in to comment on it)

I thought midas prime have like a guaranteed crit effect

but apparently crackshot also do

[untold pagoda]

even if it did that doesnt really justify making a separate weapon with basically the same mechanics

[fervent orbit]

do note that a higher usetime will affect its usability with marksmans round

also there is another difference aside damage, the coins

[untold pagoda]

the difference being... what

cause they really dont feel different at all

[fervent orbit]

which coins u have to use

[ripe owl]

Well

[untold pagoda]

oh WOW

[fervent orbit]

or can use

[ripe owl]

With Crackshot, you can only use coppers

With Midas, you can use up to gold iirc

[untold pagoda]

as if that doesnt affect only damage

[ripe owl]

Tsk

Yeah, you're right here

[fervent orbit]

this still applies

[untold pagoda]

okay, how

cause i have no idea how those work

[fervent orbit]

wdym how

a higher usetime means u cant switch to a different weapon

[ripe owl]

There's no talk about the coins use time

[untold pagoda]

oh wait fr

i didnt know that

[ripe owl]

Also the Crackshot is the one that is being suggested to have a slower fire rate, not Midas

You can't get the Marksmans in prehm

[untold pagoda]

ohhh comboing with marksman rounds

tbh i forgot those existed

i only really said crackshot to take care of prehm pests faster

[drowsy plank]

eh

[stable kiln]

coke appearing in suggestions for the first time in 7 years to make an ultrakill sugg

[wide river]

I think today has been the quietest day I've seen in #suggestions-discussion
I'll definitely take it over a 2 hour argument over not reading the pins

[gray nebula]

i LOVE ULTRAKILL REFERENCES!!!

sry

[grim tusk]

BLOOD IS FUEL

[gray nebula]

what i meant to say was that actually there is one big distinct mechanical difference between crackshot colt and midas prime, the former cannot do more than a single ricoshot

itll only bounce off a single coin

midas prime gives u the full real v1 experience with up to 4 coins to bounce between

idk why no one in the convo/the suggestor didnt pick up on it doe

[gleaming vortex]

also i think it would make more sense to focus on the guns that do not yet have a destinctiv fireing type

[swift wharf]

that is a big difference

between the two guns*

[drowsy plank]

@untold pagoda something to consider ig

overall i dont think this suggestion is going to perform very well, and while the reasoning isn't great, it isn't rulebreaking or anything so ill just have to let it putter out itself

[untold pagoda]

my phone screen is broken so i csnt reply very eell

ididnt knoit only bounces off one coin tho

ceckshot i mesn

i seer the eere the sme lst i used them

eird

[drowsy plank]

[gleaming vortex]

i swear they were the same last time i used them

weird

[drowsy plank]

well when was the last time you used them

[gleaming vortex]

i was just taking a guess on what he probably said

[drowsy plank]

OH

well still i would've said that to him

[frail mantle]

pretty sure that difference has always existed

[drowsy plank]

yeah you're right

oh huh

they can both throw and shoot 4

at least

according to the wiki

which was something that was changed from their original incarnations

regardless, considering midas is a successor to crackshot, i don't think it's bad that they have no real changes between them tbh, they're both very strong and unique weapons already, and frankly, i think spending more time on other, less interesting weapons would be better

also both already have awfully low usetimes

[wide river]

The proposed solution would be something for #1042197406776827914, wouldn't it?

Since it's requesting a change in stats

[drowsy plank]

well it's not saying they're bad

this is focusing more on somehow retooling them to be different

idk this is weird

[sand marlin]

I mean their gimmick is already pretty unique adding something on top of that for the upgrade would probably be overkill right

[royal tapir]

Yeah I was gonna say, I'm like 99% confident what Iban said is wrong

[gleaming vortex]

holy lag

[sand marlin]

Scratch this I should probably learn how to read instead

[vocal grotto]

Implement a brief cooldown between rage indicator sounds

Self-explanatory. While the sound indicator for rage is useful information for the player, it can be slightly annoying if either a boss or the player is moving in such a way that rage reaches its max for a brief moment only for it to go down just a tiny a bit and then go back up shortly after, resulting in the indicator playing repeatedly in a short timespan.
Pretty small thing, but it's something that's bothered me a tiny bit for a while now. Figure I may as well ask about it here before tossing it in the post channel though

[swift wharf]

sounds good

[north oracle]

I have literally never had this happen

Still, makes sense and it would be annoying the very rare circumstance that it happens

[golden sonnet]

Never had this happen either

[vocal grotto]

I've had it a couple of times. I wouldn't consider it common, though
Byeah I suppose I'll put it up then

[sand marlin]

Well there's nothing wrong with the idea

I don't see anything going wrong with this

[hollow ridge]

Did this message in posting just come thru now?

I js got like 4 notis for it

My dicord is struggling

[royal tapir]

You get notifications just from messages getting sent?

[hollow ridge]

In posting

[royal tapir]

God I can't imagine that

[hollow ridge]

And voting

[hollow shell]

There's no deleted messages in posting so

Just buggy

[hollow ridge]

On discord

[royal tapir]

Yeah I know what you mean by it

[hollow shell]

Also
Rare Dom sugg

[eternal escarp]

unlimited quantity
it took me 10 minutes to realize i said unlimited instead of limited but too late

[deft yew]

Feels uncanny

[small timber]

Something something future content planned and implemented

[wide river]

Yea

[worldly sparrow]

this is being done

[wide river]

I was gonna say that but then you said it much more simply

[hollow shell]

@tight cosmos Save 1.4.4 suggs for 1.4.4
also Fancy/Bar compatibility with the health upgrades is already planned (it hasn't been done yet cuz it's not easily doable in the current version of tModLoader)

[tight cosmos]

my bad, thank you for the information

[hollow shell]

👍

[swift wharf]

Already in the next update

[wide river]

I was looking through the Don'ts doc again, and I noticed something
There is a Dont that explicitly prevents "Any suggestions whose only reason for existing is to be a reference to something else" to be suggested, so could one (theoretically) suggest a reference item if they give really good reasoning to back it up?
That Don't later goes on to say: "Simply being a reference is not a valid reason for a suggestion to be implemented. A suggestion should have actual reasoning behind it about why it would benefit the mod.", which makes me think that reference suggestions are not explicitly prohibited in all cases, as long as they have good reasoning to back them up

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Fix Summoner Upgrade Inconsistencies]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

Ayo?

[drowsy plank]

suggestion voting day

[grave zinc]

@frosty trellis - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Galactica Singularities]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

Didn't expect the pass on the Cog one tbh, I fwi

[drowsy plank]

im glad about mine but

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Necklace of Vexation Works When Exactly On 50% HP]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

cant be too mad the other suggestions are good

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, agreed

[crude geode]

🐌

[frosty trellis]

MAN

[crude geode]

Cringe tbfh

[swift wharf]

The west has fallen

[golden sonnet]

You tried soldier

[worldly sparrow]

rip

[swift wharf]

It's over

[drowsy plank]

joever, even

[wide river]

Imagine two weeks later you see "Removed Galactica Singularities. Done ✅" in the changelogs

[swift wharf]

Simplify calamity recipes still exists

god bless addons

[crude geode]

I’m wondering what the reasoning was

For denial

[swift wharf]

lore

[drowsy plank]

maybe just make galsings actually interesting then

[swift wharf]

how (how

[drowsy plank]

make them a mob drop or something

instead of Combination Material

[golden sonnet]

Why do we need another ML material

[drowsy plank]

we dont but im going off of the idea that it's a lore reason like how we can't move evil2

[oblique geyser]

Don't move evil 2

Just move stuff between it

[golden sonnet]

The existence of lore should not be a detriment to gameplay, I disagree with this

[drowsy plank]

yeah they said no to that too

i already tried that

[swift wharf]

feller of the evergreens speechbubble

[drowsy plank]

anyway if galasings dropped from some new postML enemy, at least they would be interesting

[bright crag]

(Nah, it wasn't)

[oblique geyser]

Lore explaining why thing A leads to thing B (you can still do thing B first)

[crude geode]

What twas it then

[bright crag]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm completely neutral

[swift wharf]

That doesn't tell a lot

[dense sable]

lore?

[crude geode]

[golden sonnet]

I have a thirst that can only be quenched with the blood of filler items

[bright crag]

No, nothing to do with lore afaik

[dense sable]

someone sai d lord

lore

i am summoned

[drowsy plank]

so uh

is there anything you can say or

[bright crag]

I'll ask the other devs why they voted to keep it

[oblique geyser]

The lore being absolutely decimated, shredded even

[bright crag]

It was a 2 x 5 vote

[oblique geyser]

nonlinearity reference

[drowsy plank]

damn lol

[crude geode]

Ok I was half expecting like. a single person voted on it or something

[bright crag]

I like Singularities making all Fragments into one item, to avoid recipes being like 7 items long
But at the same time, we can probably come up with something cooler

[worldly sparrow]

honestly yeah

[drowsy plank]

perhaps those recipes just should not have all fragments in one item

[worldly sparrow]

a resprite and renaming would be nice

[crude geode]

The sugg addresses that point tho

[swift wharf]

You could make the elemental weapons like
use the fragment of its class

[jovial spire]

weird since it is

literally planned

[bright crag]

?

[crude geode]

[jovial spire]

galactica singularity death

[swift wharf]

[jovial spire]

it's planned

[frosty trellis]

AYO WHAT

[bright crag]

Wuh

[jovial spire]

so like

[worldly sparrow]

so it was 10-0?

[jovial spire]

????

[swift wharf]

wait we had this talk yesterday didn't we

[bright crag]

Elaborate

[crude geode]

Ench called it

[jovial spire]

their detah is planned

it is a plan to remove them at some point

has been for at least a good month

[swift wharf]

We're so back

[worldly sparrow]

someone update the future content doc to include that

[crude geode]

This hurts my brain

[jovial spire]

so like

[wide river]

~~I know secret info ~~ /j

[jovial spire]

idk what this is about

[bright crag]

Hmm
I am not aware of that
I do know of the Exodium suggested changes though, is that what you mean...?

[jovial spire]

did people suddenly change their mind, or...?

No

[bright crag]

I guess people just aren't aware then

[oblique geyser]

I should write another banger fishing suggestion

[swift wharf]

communication

[worldly sparrow]

im thinkin that people voted no because it was already a plan?

[bright crag]

We shkuld discuss this in dev

[jovial spire]

Kill singularity, replace them with fragment types for each thing they make

[bright crag]

If so, it would get either 🛠️ or 🔒

[worldly sparrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude geode]

This is truly a suggestion bingo moment

[oblique geyser]

What is suggestion bingo

[crude geode]

Battleship is more accurate

[bright crag]

Let's talk to the others then, because I'm pretty sure this is not well-known

Given how the vote went

[worldly sparrow]

good luck

[swift wharf]

the transmission of information

[crude geode]

it’s predicting future content accidentally by suggesting the exact changes to be made

When it’s unknown to all but devs

[swift wharf]

I mean

[fervent orbit]

funny how the community knows more about dev plans than the devs

[wide river]

If we suggest everything eventually we will know all the plans

[swift wharf]

It was unknown for even the devs

[livid coral]

The Simpsons Effect

[crude geode]

Yeah in this case it’s very weird

[oblique geyser]

Ah I thought it was like a bingo card

[crude geode]

Also yes Simpsons Calamity Edition

[oblique geyser]

Like of common suggestion practices

[crude geode]

Fair

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure someone has that too

I remember hearing someone say they got a Bingo a while back here

Maybe they're even here in the room now
looks at camera

[golden sonnet]

I think that was because 5 suggested in a row that were awful and broke like 3 rules

[sleek turret]

i have the cst bingo chart that was for like 1 year ago discussions

[oblique geyser]

@worldly sparrow can you send your bingo card

[worldly sparrow]

?

oh

the sugg bingo

[oblique geyser]

.

[worldly sparrow]

yeah i lost the card

power outage

forgor to save

[oblique geyser]

RIP

My power is out currently

[worldly sparrow]

oof

[oblique geyser]

This will drastically affect the trout population

[cobalt pewter]

gah! dominic karma jumpscare

[oblique geyser]

(I was editing fisherman challenge episode 4)

[cobalt pewter]

(hello dom)

[fervent orbit]

whyd u let ur power out your house?

[small timber]

Before wyvern's next "banger fishing suggestion", it is still not addressed of how the current multirod fishing line is designed to be available as awkwardly in progression as possible?

[fervent orbit]

first multiline is post golem no?

[small timber]

Start of HM need fishing = nope, wait for like reaver or something, then at golem you finally get a good rod but you probably dont nees it anymore and then you wait till providence

[drowsy plank]

scarab rod existing

[oblique geyser]

It was actually gonna be about that LOL

[north oracle]

XD

[oblique geyser]

Multifishing progression in cal sucks

[fervent orbit]

well start of hm u get supreme tackle bag

[small timber]

I tried to suggest it like 5 times but then everytime it is like noped HANDGUNK

[oblique geyser]

There's a reason I use Fargo for my fishing only challenge run

[wide river]

Suggestions voters be like
I'm a bit of a hypocrite because I voted for the Shotgunk one

[drowsy plank]

supreme tackle bag is a bandaid on an amputated limb

[fervent orbit]

ench im deleting you off the face of the earth

[small timber]

Which is just tackle bag with more fishing power for the most part

Potion effect is noy really relevant because DS

[ashen warren]

[oblique geyser]

It's also entirely unnecessary

[bright crag]

Port moment (let's say there's an absurd amount of idea mostly floating around)

[oblique geyser]

Nobody needs 80 fishing power on a single accessory

[wide river]

Not like a single vote is gonna matter when it has 167

[bright crag]

We'll probably go through our summary backlog, which is where we write down important discussions and their conclusions, after the port

[oblique geyser]

Alluring Bait / Enchanted Pearl / Fireproof Tackle Bag are more than enough to last the whole game

[swift wharf]

communication is important

[bright crag]

And the set rework plans are already organized thanks to Blast and yours truly

[worldly sparrow]

i hope porting hell is slightly easier next time it comes around

[fervent orbit]

if a single vote does matter im going to sell your organs on the black market

[worldly sparrow]

cough cough 1.4.5

[bright crag]

Same 😔

[wide river]

Does an Endo Hydra even have organs

[oblique geyser]

Fishing becomes almost wholly irrelevant after like

Polter?

[worldly sparrow]

wait it was relevant?

[small timber]

Another suggestion that get porked multiple times because some random draedon lab wall suggestion or something is duke fishron phase 4 transition suggestion

[oblique geyser]

And nobody really cares about it past early hardmode anyway

[small timber]

Because yes why do we need to avoid sudden start of 6 charge chain when we can get more walls

[oblique geyser]

Fishing my beloved

[small timber]

That likely are not good get make until calart submission or already planned

Amazing

[cobalt pewter]

Multifishing progression in cal sucks

ftfy

[bright crag]

Speaking of which

[oblique geyser]

Fishing does not suck

[bright crag]

I should probably try to make a neat gimmick for Cryonic Rod

[oblique geyser]

It just needs more content and better progression

[bright crag]

Aerialite Rod will get a very useful new one

[crude geode]

Reminds me of the sugg to add a second posting channel for different changes

[small timber]

Next patch it will be back to very relevant sincep potion selling npc is removed

[bright crag]

And it seems like the devs want to keep pickaxes, hamaxes, rods and such

[oblique geyser]

locking golden fishing rod to hardmode would help so much with the latter issue

[drowsy plank]

honestly boosting base fishing stats would be nice considering how ass early game fishing is lol

[small timber]

But then fishing rod progression still sucks so ya

[oblique geyser]

Fishing is basically post EoC yeah

[sleek turret]

can we like delete wulfrum rod atp

[wide river]

Add +5 base fishing power

[oblique geyser]

Since anything before fisher of souls is bad

[small timber]

Golden fishing rod angler trasher method need to be preHM and you need to put a multirod (like 2 line) immediately at start of hardmode

[oblique geyser]

Supreme tackle box bait station or whatever the full name is desperately needs to die

[oblique geyser]

That method is prehardmode

That's the problem

[north oracle]

Golden rod is pre-boss

[wide river]

(Please)

[small timber]

Because premech is when people struggle the most because it is a sudden power spike in stat and moveset

[swift wharf]

just add non fishing quests to angler

[oblique geyser]

Golden rod should be hardmode

[sleek turret]

kill giant clam 2 times and i'll give you fishing acc or whatever

[crude geode]

Die

[sleek turret]

maybe furniture (?)

[oblique geyser]

Angler quests are piss easy

[swift wharf]

joost hunter guy from joost mod

[sleek turret]

any quest npc moment

spirit, thorium, etc

[oblique geyser]

Angler quests are just go to biome fish for a bit

Idk why they get so much hate

They sucked in 1.3 yes

[crude geode]

Bc once a day

[swift wharf]

they're not exactly intersting tbh

[oblique geyser]

Yes but that's like 6 minutes if you're sleeping

[crude geode]

6 minutes of doing nothing

[wide river]

They'd probably be less hated if it weren't for the achievements
A lot of people want all the achievements, but rather than do them through a playthrough, they do them all at the very end

[bright crag]

What would you guys like to see in the Cal ore fishing rods?

[crude geode]

Like unironically nothing

[small timber]

It is 6 minutes repeat like 50 times or whatever vanilla ead

[sleek turret]

i agree with wyvern tbh

[small timber]

Just better progression tbh

[oblique geyser]

More multirods, better progression, lock golden fishing rod to hardmode so it doesn't stomp on everything else

[sleek turret]

although the only thing i dislike is like underground ice biome fishing because i'm a lazy ass fuck

(personal issue)

[swift wharf]

there should be at least some quests that aren't just catch the fish but also not kill boss
but idk what

[oblique geyser]

And nerf supreme bait tackle box fishing station into the ground

[oblique geyser]

Maybe like

Sea creatures

[small timber]

The "better fishing power in this biome" sounds amazing until you realize you either need to keep 10 fishing rod in voidbag/piggy bank or often just have lower bade fishing power so it can be boosted

[swift wharf]

oh shit true

[bright crag]

I see
Why woild Fishing Station need a nerf, though?

[swift wharf]

catch the fish (entity)

[drowsy plank]

navy rod effects would be nice, or something else that deters enemies or reduces enemy spawn rates

[bright crag]

It sucks ass

[oblique geyser]

It's 80 fishing power, the previous tier is 10

[swift wharf]

ultimate fishing accessory (i sleep)

[bright crag]

That is sorta what Aerialite will have

[oblique geyser]

It's an absurd jump in power

[bright crag]

God

Damn

[sleek turret]

Yeah it's a massive jump

[small timber]

Golden fishinf rod SHOULD be preHM, because it is supposed to be the fishing quest completion award

[swift wharf]

then keep it to the quest....

[oblique geyser]

It's not hard to do 30 quests preboss though

[bright crag]

Isn't it obtainable only through the quest?

[small timber]

It should stomp everything you get from non-fishing related stuff

[swift wharf]

el trasher method

[oblique geyser]

Trashers

[crude geode]

NOPE

[small timber]

Just yeah depend on when you want to make the angler trasher thing available

[glass arch]

then it should be harder to get than just feeding angler to a trasher

[bright crag]

You underestimate the laziness of people

[sleek turret]

no you can obtain gfr because of the trasher method

[oblique geyser]

The trasher method should be outright removed

[sleek turret]

which is the most absurd thing to ever exist

[bright crag]

The trasher method should be at most, a chance in HM

[crude geode]

It was

[sleek turret]

i think laziness isn't the point here tbh

[oblique geyser]

It's 100% at any point in progression rn

It should be like 1% in hardmode or removed

It's an Easter egg

[wide river]

I'd probably like Feral Double Rod (the Perennial one) to have a more unique gimmick than "hey it has two lines"
Like multiline rods are good and all but that can be given to an earlier rod in favor of giving this one a better gimmick
Maybe I just want Perennial and Scoria to be cooler

[oblique geyser]

And the golden rod should be harder to get than 30 quests

[crude geode]

Put it in gfb

[swift wharf]

you'd have to make perennial and scoria cool first

[small timber]

30 quest is still at min 30 days of go to a biome and fish

It is far more fishing than get this ore craft this super rod

So yeah, it should still be the best

Just the angler trasher method need to be changed

[north oracle]

…Ture

[sleek turret]

this especially

[swift wharf]

((((not counting the armor)))))

[sleek turret]

fun fact

[wide river]

Scoria is cool

[oblique geyser]

Remoced

[glass arch]

do you understand how few cal players actually do fishing quests

[bright crag]

I think the quest lock is fine, after all there's not many people willing to fish that much
Maybe it could be bumped up to like 50 quests, but isn't 30 the same as vanilla?

[drowsy plank]

do something about scarb rod
frankly stuff like fisher of souls and fleshcatcher could easily be double line poles, where you could exchange the higher fishing power of things like fiberglass, chum caster, or scarab for the multi lines of weaker rods, considering literally everything except mechanic's is literally pre-Boss

[jovial spire]

me

i do them

[crude geode]

Yeah

[oblique geyser]

30 is the same as vanilla

[swift wharf]

firing a projectile that inflicts on fire after n hits is NOT cool.

[sleek turret]

due to fishing quest rng i got golden fishing rod before the fishing accs

it took me like

54? quests to get 1 of the accs out of 3

[oblique geyser]

I think it could stay 30, but if you do 30+ in prehardmode you don't get it until you do a quest in hardmode

[small timber]

I mean with the most recent DS fishing accessories removed

[bright crag]

?

[crude geode]

Eclipse got sidetracked

[swift wharf]

(perennial armor is cool
weapons not as much)

[bright crag]

Don't worry, Scoria armor will get cooler bonuses

[small timber]

It do make sense to move it to like HM, keep it as an easter egg but late enough to not be super relevant

[drowsy plank]

it's so weird how the best fishing rod in the game is pre-Boss like bruh

[oblique geyser]

Doesn't mean fishing progression isn't bad

[bright crag]

Every armor we rework will

[small timber]

Assuming multirod start of HM

[bright crag]

From the main sets

[wide river]

There's like 2-3 conversations happening and it's confusing

[dense sable]

personally i think u should add an isopod critter

[drowsy plank]

do you guys think we could make a fishing rod progression doc lmao

[oblique geyser]

Please I would love to do this

[crude geode]

ATP yes

[bright crag]

Feel free to, it'd help a lot

[sleek turret]

isopod!!!!s!

i love isopods!! silly little guys

[small timber]

Nah you dont need a doc

[wide river]

That would be cool to do

[small timber]

You dont need fishing rod progression every point of progression, just better arranged

[glass arch]

isnt that mostly fixed by the quest rework

[bright crag]

For the moment I'll be thinking of a rod gimmick that isn't just lame or unoriginally niche

[drowsy plank]

okay but we need to establish what the progression even is right now

or what it should be

[crude geode]

It’s incredibly wack is what it is

[oblique geyser]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n181m5Q28M7FOTbEi2lrItFvBDHgXQ_aVy2QtpBVqJU/edit?usp=drivesdk

[small timber]

#suggestions-voting message just this might be good enough even

[sleek turret]

yeah it is

[wide river]

Calamity Fishing Progression

[swift wharf]

a spreadsheet would probably work better

[small timber]

Annnnddd of course it is a 138 vote suggestion that dont get in batch because grass blend in with other blocks haha

[sleek turret]

can't you get the sitting duck rod like at any moment in the game too

[crude geode]

Yes

[sleek turret]

the travel merchant one

[crude geode]

Yep

[wide river]

I thought it was post-Skeletron now?
Did Calamity revert that too?

[crude geode]

What?

[sleek turret]

???

[crude geode]

First I’ve heard of this

[cobalt pewter]

bro mad the suggestion system is the way it is

we all remember what's the most voted suggestion of all time right

[swift wharf]

[oblique geyser]

The progression rn (this is ofc from fishing only playthrough, but still applies to anyone who actually fishes), is:
Wood Rod
Iron Rod
Fisher of Souls
Scarab/Chum Caster/Fiberglass if you're lucky enough to get one of those
Golden
Rift Reeler
Uelibloom thing
Devourer of cods

[swift wharf]

I mean the suggestion system is slightly flawed in that remark

[cobalt pewter]

yeah that is true

[dense sable]

maybe a fishing rod that doesnt fish up common fish at the cost of it taking longer to fish each fish

[swift wharf]

imagine if it was a 180 star suggestion that didn't get in

[cobalt pewter]

it gets into me as well back when I was a suggestion generating monster

[wide river]

Yeah, 1.4.1 did that

[crude geode]

Wack

[dense sable]

no more 9999 stack of bass

[sleek turret]

i wonder if my credit devs sugg got to dev, or do i have to wait up to like day 2 of august to do so

[swift wharf]

goddamn
goddamn

[dense sable]

how the heck is bass literally everywherr

adapts better than slimes

[sleek turret]

lmao

[cobalt pewter]

bass is op

[small timber]

Something something make fiberglass guaranteed in vernal pass over whatever it is trying to give right now but yeah

[cobalt pewter]

the reason we don't fight a bass is because we'd lose due to its adaptability

[swift wharf]

unfortunately feller of the evergreens or smth

[bright crag]

Doesn't the Pass already guarantee good stuff

[swift wharf]

it is jungle chest loot yeah iirc maybe(?)

[wide river]

It's got Feller of Evergreens, Feral Claws, Staff of Regrowth, and Anklet of the Wind

[small timber]

Vernal pass guarantee the more common loot iirc

[sleek turret]

anklet, feral claws, staff of regrowth and feller

[swift wharf]

except fiberglass rod lmao

trolled

[small timber]

Which is both good or meh

[crude geode]

[sleek turret]

it doesn't guarantee flower boots neither fiberglass

[oblique geyser]

Fiberglass rod shouldn't be guaranteed imo because that's also an instant skip

[crude geode]

Flower boots at least makes sense

[small timber]

Feral claw, anklet, staff of regrowth and feller

[bright crag]

I do think Vernal Pass shouldn't have guaranteed stuff besides one Feller of Evergreens, but the loot pool should be mostly comprised of the rare items like Fiberglass and Flower Boots

[sleek turret]

vernal pass has the waldo painting

[small timber]

Does it have more than 4 chest?

[wide river]

Flower Boots could be nice to have in there
However: Giant Bee Hive has it

[bright crag]

I will remove the painting

[sleek turret]

this makes vernal pass the best structure ever in the entire game /s

lmao

[swift wharf]

youfoundit

[small timber]

Yeah guaranteeing the more common loot seems abit unnecessary

[crude geode]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[bright crag]

Vernal Pass has currently 5 chests iirc

[wide river]

Real

[oblique geyser]

Remove some of the chests

Imo

[sleek turret]

no actuallt giant bee hive guarantees flower boots

[small timber]

Fiberglass have the crucial effect of "if you dont find it early enough it is completely useless" so it make sense it is guaranteed in some way or another

[bright crag]

I will, we voted to tone them down to 3

[swift wharf]

giant hive is not real

it cannot hurt you

[wide river]

.
#suggestions-discussion message

[bright crag]

I'll likely rebuild Vernal Pass in the future

[sleek turret]

fuck i didn't read

[swift wharf]

your brain simply ignores its existence

[sleek turret]

TRUEEEE

[oblique geyser]

It wouldn't be useless if golden fishing rod wasn't so early

[bright crag]

Without the Waldo painting that was a mistake
With 3 chests
Hopefully more creative in its architecture
And more reflective of its lore

[small timber]

Like I said, problem is with angler trashwr not quest

[bright crag]

I also hope Feller will be reworked, it's kinda eh

[livid coral]

Sobbing Waldo will never be found again

[small timber]

You do the fishing quest to get the best fishind rod, make sense

[oblique geyser]

30 quests preboss is a problem too

[bright crag]

Waldo will always be found in our hearts

[ashen warren]

Banished to the void

[wide river]

All 7 people that wanted the Waldo painting crying right now

[small timber]

Most people will not do 10

[swift wharf]

who doin 30 quests preboss

guh

[small timber]

As simple as it is

If you do 30 you deserve to get it

[crude geode]

Some noshitter probably

[livid coral]

The person who does a fishing challenge playthrough

[oblique geyser]

I mean I do them post EoC if I'm actually going to fish

[sleek turret]

just buy the find waldo books or smth and find them there

[swift wharf]

nobody is doing all of them in one sitting

[wide river]

True

[small timber]

Most people will not gonna fish

[sleek turret]

it's so easy

[bright crag]

[small timber]

Those who fish most of them dont completely like more than 10

[swift wharf]

30 quests in pre hm, sure
30 quests in pre boss
??????

[crude geode]

[small timber]

Until like, skeletron

[oblique geyser]

Preboss is a bit of an exaggeration

Since EoC unlocks bait from merchant

So it makes sense to do EoC first

[bright crag]

Is Merchant bait even good?

[small timber]

If fishing quest dont have daily restriction yeah 30 is too low

But turns out it is once per day which means at min, 30 days of being dedicated to fishing every day, including travel to the biome, create a fishing pool if it dont have one, and have enough fishing power for it to not sucks

[oblique geyser]

It's guaranteed bait

[sleek turret]

it's 15% fishing power i think

[bright crag]

It should be fine as long as it is awful bait

[oblique geyser]

Honestly I'd like to see the angler cooldown removed or reduced

[bright crag]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sleek turret]

there's more awful bait

[swift wharf]

buff sluggy 🗣️

[small timber]

So yes, 30 quest is a lot for the average, not fishing challenge player

[oblique geyser]

Yeah I don't have a problem with merchant bait

[sleek turret]

grasshoppers 🗣️

[crude geode]

No

[bright crag]

Though tbh
I would rather remove Merchant bait and rework Wulfrum Rod

[swift wharf]

nightcrawlers when they

[sleek turret]

other critters like snails

[bright crag]

To have a bait-obtainment mechanic

[vocal grotto]

8 damage instead of 0

[oblique geyser]

That's actually a really good idea

[swift wharf]

bait weapon

[wide river]

Monarch Butterfly

[swift wharf]

kills the fish before you can catch it

[crude geode]

Butterflies are indeed wack

[oblique geyser]

Wulfrum rod can use wulfrum scraps as bait

Or smth

[small timber]

"fishing bomb" throw it into a pool of water to get random fishing drops

[sleek turret]

butterflies are wack because they have certain spawn conditions

[bright crag]

Wulfrum Rod can always fish for "trash" items lile Seaweed
But trash items have a chance of being accompanied by bait items like Worms

Or Lesser Bait

[vocal grotto]

Isn't it like
They Don't Exist or There's 57 septillion at once

[swift wharf]

same with fireflies kinda

[sleek turret]

with 1.4 the game rolls the dice

[oblique geyser]

Ooh yeah this is good

[sleek turret]

what happens is that the game each time night starts rolls the dice and has 2 (3 in 1.4.4) options

Do nothing
Spawn butterflies
Spawn stinkbugs (1.4.4)

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Butterflies#Notes

this should clarify better

[bright crag]

Fishing rod gimmicks

[swift wharf]

goddamn

[sleek turret]

yeah it's weird

[bright crag]

My biggest frustration with set tools and rods are how useless and unappealing they usually are

[small timber]

A fishing rod that consume your coin for higher fishing power up to platinum

golden

[bright crag]

Why the fuck should I make a Seismic Hampick, or a Verstaltite Fishing Rod?

[swift wharf]

I feel like that's a problem with their method of obtainment

[bright crag]

Which is why I'll at least try to make the rods have something appealing

[oblique geyser]

Tbh verstaltite should be a double rod

[crude geode]

Hammers and axes are always trouble to encourage crafting tbfh

[small timber]

Get ore 1 craft fishing rod 1

[swift wharf]

You don't have cobalt, chlorophyte, hallowed fishing rods

[small timber]

You also dont need them

[bright crag]

True, both of those statements

[small timber]

You dont need fishing rod for every single progression

[swift wharf]

(There is wood, iron and demonite fishing rods but you need those I reckon, but even then, no gold/silver rods)

[small timber]

You just need them spread good enough with each being relevant

You dont need a bunch, just few that is good

[drowsy plank]

wh

[sleek turret]

hammer and axes are difficult to encourage crafting because of molten hamaxe and later on stuff like pickaxe axe and other sillies

[swift wharf]

You look at vanilla rods and they don't follow a pattern

[drowsy plank]

why do the fishing accessories stack like emblems

[crude geode]

[small timber]

Because in vanilla those are supposed to bridge you to like crimtsne/demonite

[swift wharf]

While in calamity you get a new rod after every major material

[sleek turret]

see it's the issue

you stack every single one of them

[bright crag]

That does make me curious
What's your biggest gripe with Calamity's gearsets? Not counting being 5-helmet

[swift wharf]

Also shoutout to my 3 hampick fans 💪🔥💯

[swift wharf]

All class. All class everywhere

[crude geode]

Generic

[small timber]

Low power curve, and mostly rampart

Iframe should not be stacked on top of hp potion cd

[swift wharf]

boss drops weapons for every class and also material that crafts items for every class

[small timber]

It can exist just should not be on the samething (therefore I am also against deific amulet)

[sleek turret]

hampick would require like right click function doesn't it?

[oblique geyser]

Weird useless set bonuses, post moon lord armors mostly being defensive focused

[crude geode]

A lot of the sets follow extremely similar design choices for weapons and don’t do anything unique

and tools are even worse

[drowsy plank]

they don't DO anything half the time
like so many of them are just fancy Orichalcum since they just spawn some projectile and then also have bonus effects you never notice

[oblique geyser]

Tarragon and Bloodflare are worse DPS than lunar armor for every class 💪🏻

[drowsy plank]

you never think "wow wearing tarragon is so cool" you just think "wow i sure am wearing the next stat stick"

[wide river]

Half of their bonus effects are just "Hey have an extra projectile"

[small timber]

Low power curve referring to the postDOG 15/5, being 5% crit upgrade from emblem (start of HM)

Many times this just mean pre-DOG accessories just cannot get stats and many things feel like sidegrade than upgrade despite being later in progression

[crude geode]

There’s a reason I somewhat dislike mage’s design in cal and it’s because every weapon set feels as generic as the gem staves in vanilla

[swift wharf]

i hate inferno fork projectile items i hate inferno fork projectile items

[small timber]

So you either nerf emblem to like 10% or the end point power curve should be higher

[crude geode]

“No but they’re good damage wise 🤓 “

[drowsy plank]

love is in the air? no, helium flash

[crude geode]

Helium Flash is so fucking dumb

[sleek turret]

not related to the discussion but i find it funny that the tanky mollusk armor doesn't have knockback immunity while titan heart armor does

[drowsy plank]

sure looks cool tho

[swift wharf]

chicken cannon

[bright crag]

Mage in general feels very generic compared to what it can be

[oblique geyser]

At least it's D tier 😍

[crude geode]

It’s because of weapon lines

[swift wharf]

i need to find a calamity weapon showcase

[crude geode]

There’s like no weapon lines in vanilla for mage

[oblique geyser]

Weapon lines are okay if they're not thrown in for no reason

[small timber]

Helium flash/inferno fork at least need to aim and anticipate, and helium flash have good sound effect to make it feel satisfying

[oblique geyser]

Actually, it's good for weapons to be upgraded to other things

[small timber]

I am more against those handheld full homing ones

[bright crag]

It seems like most of you dislike the armor effects being bland

[oblique geyser]

But it needs to get more interesting

[bright crag]

Well, I am trying very hard to fix that

Hopefully with success

[oblique geyser]

Not just the same thing but with better stats

[royal tapir]

I think you're doing good

[drowsy plank]

armor sets being boring can definetly also be connected to a lot of them having no visual indication anything is happening

[small timber]

But yeah I am mostly fine with weapon since they will just be improved overtime, and there are enough alt option for it to not be a problem

[swift wharf]

(Allow me to point out that it's 3 materials have the exact same functionality)

[drowsy plank]

this same problem is also kinda true with accessories, even bad accessories like star cloak are big and flashy to let you know they're doing something

[vocal grotto]

I'd agree with that sentiment
It's not necessarily that armor sets don't have stuff on the side. A good chunk of them do
But a lot of the time it doesn't really feel all that meaningful or interesting, I suppose. Though it can be a tough balance to reconcile that without running into the problem of remedies feeling hamfisted

[frosty trellis]

The temptation to ping oz

[drowsy plank]

at least a lot of accessories have the excuse of being the required stat sticks

[bright crag]

True

A lot of them don't seem to shake up.... anything, really

[oblique geyser]

Stat sticks are so boring

[small timber]

I cannot remember tarragon set bonus at all, bloodflare I can only remember it as post-polter crimson armor

[bright crag]

No combat gimmick, no strategical use, no special dynamic

[small timber]

But yeah armor rework is planned anyway

[oblique geyser]

Why the heck does affliction exist

[sleek turret]

expert mode acc unchanged since ages

[swift wharf]

They are definitely not memorable effects, ye

[buoyant idol]

Why should stat sticks be standard when bonus projectiles, debuffs and mechanics are better?

[bright crag]

Because every boss needs an Expert item, often with questionable quality

[royal tapir]

Bloodflare gives you more Blood Orbs-
Whoops never mind that's gone!

[crude geode]

The dungeon mage weapons being turned into bland af weapon lines always fucking kills me inside, because they’re one of the coolest things in vanilla

[swift wharf]

affliction rework where it replaces adrenaline and rage with stress but also add the mechanic of afflictions and virtues from dd aha

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah when i say required stat sticks im talking about stuff like the emblems or movement accessories
i do not think yharim's insignia deserves rights

[sleek turret]

stat stick + you get better stats if you're playing Multiplayer (honk mimimi)

[small timber]

Bonus projectile are massively balance nightmare unless made irrelevant, debuff just got nerfed recently (and probably need to be buff somewhat)

[frosty trellis]

Lunar Armors (except for Empryeon, it's literally just projectile spam) are more interesting than every single other armor until demonshade (with the exception of Omega Blue) and I will stand by that opinion because Tarragon, Bloodflare and Godslayer are all boring, Silva's claim to fame is a revive which is mechanically lame bc it's classlocked, and Auric is a combination of a ton of really fucking boring effects

[crude geode]

YES

[sleek turret]

i agree with mpg

[swift wharf]

prismatic crying in the corner

[oblique geyser]

Affliction is cringe

[crude geode]

Lunar Armors my beloved (I made suggs about them)

[drowsy plank]

prismatic is funny

[buoyant idol]

The Godslayer dash is lame

[crude geode]

Prismatic is dono it doesn’t count

[vocal grotto]

Patreon content hell unfortunately

[swift wharf]

i literally never used that armor set I have zero rights to talk about it

[royal tapir]

Prismatic giving a morbilion crit chance my beloved

[bright crag]

Now
What armor rework are you most excited for? From WIP ones and in general
Nout counting Auric because duh

[sleek turret]

Donor armor 🫵

[frosty trellis]

Prismatic Armor would be way more interesting if the setbonus wasn't just worse deathhail staff

[buoyant idol]

Just change it to Universe Splitter

[cobalt pewter]

mhm

[small timber]

And prismatic just have a lot more stat for some reason

[drowsy plank]

hydro but im biased for obvious reasons

[cobalt pewter]

well I just generally despise armor set bonuses that are just

stat sticks ig

[royal tapir]

Tarragon

[oblique geyser]

Reaver

[swift wharf]

I don't think we have seen a taste of new armor reworks so idk

[frosty trellis]

Prismatic is more offensive than Tarragon while Tarragon having a way better defensive profile

[buoyant idol]

Idk what they are yet

[cobalt pewter]

yeah I really can't say atm I have no idea

[frosty trellis]

(Reaver doesn't need a rework Reaver is cool)

[crude geode]

^

[swift wharf]

The last rework we got was like wulfrum?

[royal tapir]

Right, you guys haven't seen the leaks

[swift wharf]

And yeah.

[frosty trellis]

Wulfrum yeah

[oblique geyser]

Reaver is dumb in every way

[bright crag]

Lol
Do keep in mind though, it's not set in stone to be that
Especially since others in my team dislike the idea of Hydrothermic Melee being mobility

[small timber]

#1042197406776827914 message this

[bright crag]

Feel free to post the leaks if you want, I could use some extra opinions

[drowsy plank]

you could always just use more of my original idea :))))))

[oblique geyser]

Choose your fighter:

Cheese the boss by tanking
Cheese the boss by speed
Mining is okay ig

[swift wharf]

I'd have to see the new team's content before to get excited about upcoming changes

[cobalt pewter]

at least I hope auric rework ain't somehow worse than current

[buoyant idol]

Hydrothermic should be an indirect upgrade of mollusk I'd say, mobility melee should be something else.

[sleek turret]

tbh the only thing that i'd like to expect from armor reworks is that they become unique and stand out vs other armors more uniquely and separate from old modding decisions

[bright crag]

From how the discussion is going
Hydrothermic Melee will either be that defense/mobility pairing, or a tank true melee armor

[drowsy plank]

at least it gives something other than damage

[frosty trellis]

It's a focused tank armor that kills your damage
A focused mobility armor that lets you go zoom
And a focused ultility armor which is the last ultility armor in the entire game

[buoyant idol]

I'd argue true tank, it's a heavy, volcanic armor that has the look of a complete tank.

[swift wharf]

Reaver do be having unique stats not found anywhere else

[cobalt pewter]

I think the concept is what matters the most with armors right now, anyone in dev can just tweak numbers

Reaver has a cool concept (but I haven't tried it (why is my tmod still running assly))

[swift wharf]

anyways if hydro doesn't have a steam gimmick i will riot

[oblique geyser]

Reaver tank is stupid though

[royal tapir]

See this guy gets it

[bright crag]

Steam gimmick in what sense

[drowsy plank]

all three, right? ive got them right here in my clipboard

[frosty trellis]

I love the concept of reaver tank sacrificing your damage for way better defense than what's on tier

It just should not be better defensively for when you get chain hit than fucking solar armor when solar is already heavily overturned

[bright crag]

Yeah, sure

[swift wharf]

the set is more than volcanic rock

[small timber]

Something something hook stat should exist on more things

Like that ninja gear line

[drowsy plank]

Searing Stamina: the player builds up heat when near enemies, creating a glowing molten barrier around them which functions as shield HP. 
Pressing the set bonus key causes the molten shield gained to be consumed at a fixed rate, providing high acceleration and speed for as long as there's shield to be consumed. The armor emits dense black smoke while the shield is being consumed (from damage or ability).
Naturally, the more shield you had, the more your speed bonus will last.

(Encourages players to get close, mixes defense and mobility in a fight-or-flight way)

Rogue Post-Evil2:
Foul Frenzy: cursed power surges through your veins.
- Dealing continuous damage builds up a Foul Curse on the character, increasing crit chance. 
- The Curse appears as a pulsating aura and afterimages on the character, which grow more visible and saturated as the Curse builds up.
- The Curse's effects have the same color as Cursed Flames/Ichor (depending on evil).
- Stealth-striking with the Curse at its peak will release 3-4 homing Cursed Souls, with the same color as the Curse; the player will get the Bleeding debuff for a bit (implying that it tore through the player's chest).

Hydrothermic Mage:
R'lyehian Wrath: activatable ability on a cooldown. While R'lyehian Wrath is active, magic weapons deal more damage but burn through mana much faster; to compensate, the player can leech mana from enemies at a close-range.

(Encourages a more risky playstyle and/or investment in mana cost reduction; the armor has relatively high defense to play into that.)```

[swift wharf]

[oblique geyser]

You can literally stand still to kill folly with it

[bright crag]

(Neither of these are set in stone)

[oblique geyser]

[swift wharf]

anyways hydrothermic is found in abyssal vents in the game so like
steam/heat mechanic....

[buoyant idol]

I like the concept of stamina, but mobility just isn't quite the vibe that Hydrothermic gives off.

[drowsy plank]

okay im grabbing what i said now

[frosty trellis]

Yes, that was My exploit that I found

And is getting fixed because it was a weird programming oversight and the line of code that let that exploit happen isn't true anymore

But yes that also proves my point that It's better than the overtuned solar armor

[oblique geyser]

Yeah

[bright crag]

Eclipse, are you aware that you're looking right at the Hydrothermic suggestions

[oblique geyser]

Tbh tank builds and other cheese should die

[swift wharf]

i dont see any steam mmmm

....

[oblique geyser]

Facetanking is ech

[frosty trellis]

Tank builds don't need to die in general, just specific things about them need to not be so aggregiously overpowered

[small timber]

Mobility on melee is probably partially with true melee in mind

[drowsy plank]

The armor emits dense black smoke while the shield is being consumed

[bright crag]

Steam is in the mobility part of Melee, and hopefully the mana in Mage will have a steam/flame effect

[swift wharf]

do know that we already have other fire themed armors

[royal tapir]

Did you know that tank Reaver armor still gives the Reaver Rage buff, and the buff effectively negates the damage penalty

[small timber]

That and beetle being one offensive, one defensive already

[oblique geyser]

Yeah

[swift wharf]

something is wrong with the boiler

[royal tapir]

trolley

[frosty trellis]

Namely:

Mollusk Armor
Reaver Tank
Rampart of Deities
Elysian Guard
Leviathan's Ambergis
Ursa Sergent
Shield of the High Ruler (Which is dying thankfully)
Flame-Licked Shell

And literally anything that gives debuff immunity

[oblique geyser]

Beetle Armor is a good armor set

[frosty trellis]

All need to die

[swift wharf]

elysian guard lowkey needs a cd

[drowsy plank]

my original suggestion was to have the slag barrier health explode when it was used up so ur not exactly wrong

[frosty trellis]

Elysian Guard needs to die extremely badly

[swift wharf]

being able to turn it on and off instantly is kinda nuts

[oblique geyser]

Elysian guard seems like a relic of old cal

[frosty trellis]

Even if it had a cooldown it doesn't matter because you can either keep it on the entire fight or turn it on for when you need to tank something like BLENDER easier or to make your adrenaline stronger

[oblique geyser]

Back when tracers were straight up better than wings

[buoyant idol]

I dislike the fundemental idea of the Elysian Guard and any sort of toggle like that.

Giving it a different thing like a super dash would be much more interesting I'd say.

[oblique geyser]

The GSD in question

[swift wharf]

gsd is ok

[buoyant idol]

That one doesn't work since it's armor and otherwise plays a very small role

[swift wharf]

i feel like that's a problem with asgardian aegis instead

[buoyant idol]

move it to nebulous core

[royal tapir]

Make it trigger on rams this would certainly be balanced and perfectly fine right guys right

[swift wharf]

because it's pretty much just elysian aegis + asgard valor but slightly better

[oblique geyser]

Make OLC a ram 💯

[swift wharf]

just equip it duh...

[small timber]

Elysian Guard is fine to exist

Just uhh, maybe not on the single best dash line in the game

[buoyant idol]

Still waiting for the debuff immunity line

[swift wharf]

remove guard from asgaegis

[royal tapir]

Repurposed to Statis' Belt real

[small timber]

Debuff immunity when it can be immunity laudanum line

[swift wharf]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[small timber]

Instead of immune you convert ankh shield debuffs to be beneficial

[bright crag]

Molten (barely uses the fire aspect)
Brimflame (probably will be more witchcraft focused?)

[swift wharf]

or like
debuff stalemate where you get the debuff cons but also buffs

[bright crag]

So, what do you all think of the proposed ideas? Feedback, suggestions and criticism is welcome

[buoyant idol]

Laudanum could be changed into that line late game, would be interesting to see what things like Miracle Blight could do.

[swift wharf]

i forgot about brimflame i was thinking of solar and molten mainly

[small timber]

If you mean the hydrothermic seems good yeah

It stick to the risk and reward theme, we can only use it in practice to see how well it works, but concept seems fine to me

[buoyant idol]

I'd prefer if Hydrothermic was more tank based and less mobility but it's a good concept. If it goes tank based I'd like to see some sort of high KB explosion to deal with crowds as a hotkey.

[small timber]

If you mean hydrothermic melee you already have beetle for pure offense and defense

We dont need another defense armor for the sake of it, rather it be something else

[buoyant idol]

True, I forgot beetle exists

I personally don't like beetle's set bonuses so I forget about the armor despite being a melee main.

[crude geode]

Seems cool concept wise but rogue needs hella work

Cuz the set bonus isn’t unique and kinda just. encourages the same type of stuff as usual

[royal tapir]

Actually, the one thing I think of is the evil-2 curse things only inflicting Bleeding
Like, I feel like cursed spirits ripping out of your chests wouldn't just leave a small cut

[small timber]

Beetle shell I can think of is for example store 3 charges and deplete 1 on hit, go dormant and recharge for 45 seconds once charge depleted instead of 1 charge every 15 automatically

But beetle scale I have 0 idea

[buoyant idol]

Burning blood exists as a substitute

[royal tapir]

mhm

[drowsy plank]

could do both
cutting off all regen would still proly suck for most players

[bright crag]

Yeah, this is my concern

[buoyant idol]

Beetle's existence is a strong case for mobility Hydrothermic

[crude geode]

Actually I barely looked at the armor set my brain didn’t realize the continuous part of the set bonus

[bright crag]

But there's always the tank true melee route

We'll see which one gets chosen

[crude geode]

It feels like beetle would be the one with mobility

[buoyant idol]

Give that to the beetle armors if I could choose, they are the extreme stat armors.

[crude geode]

But also reworking vanilla sets is ech

[bright crag]

TRUE

[buoyant idol]

agreed

[small timber]

Tbh I think the current idea already work for true melee

You dont have to make it exclusively true melee instead

You are already incentivized to be close at a point where there is a lot of projectile sword

[bright crag]

Ironically, Triangle found it contradictory and "probably weaker than Beetle"

[buoyant idol]

I'd love to see Hydrothermic get something similar to the eclipse mirror explosion, but that likely wouldn't work.

[bright crag]

On-hit effects kinda suck

[small timber]

Just give beetle shell this I think imo iirc

[buoyant idol]

Tie it to a hotkey?

[bright crag]

But the idea of an explosion for the ability would be cool, yeah

[small timber]

If the concern is defensive

For offensive just nerfing beetle melee speed probably is good enough

[buoyant idol]

I just wanna see 30 pumpkin moon enemies get flung everywhere while afflicted with holy fire.

[bright crag]

If it interacts well with combat and isn't just "occasionally get close and press this button"

[small timber]

The issue is current beetle is pretty much overtuned, dont have to power creep armor to match

[buoyant idol]

Maybe you charge it up for 3 seconds to get a larger explosion

[bright crag]

A lot of the thought I put into these armors is encouraging different playstyles, dynamics, or approaches to combat

[small timber]

Or can make it very hard to charge the active unless you consistently stay close over a period of time

[buoyant idol]

That's a great idea for all mods to use, continue this line of thought and the mod will improve greatly.

[bright crag]

I hope so

[small timber]

Maybe even deplete overtime if you are too far away like rage

[bright crag]

I hope even more that I won't just get creativity burnout

[buoyant idol]

Maybe instead of a shield building near enemies (rage copy,) the charge up explosion gives the speed boost so you have to hold still for a moment and promptly destory somebody when done.

The charge would also get the shield hp when done, but that might be tying too much to that idea.

[bright crag]

I did think, in dev, that

Maybe it charges regardless, but you get slower the more shield you have

As a tangible representation of the armor getting thicker

[buoyant idol]

Perhaps movement speed lowers as it nears completion if the charge up bomb isn't a good plan, but this comes with the fault of making dodging inconsistent.

Game balance is hard

[bright crag]

So, anything else about the armors?

[crude geode]

Seems good

Now I’m just imaging what if all the dungeon item lines were like void items from RoR2

Where instead of just being item but bigger and better, they were some kind of twist on the initial weapon

[bright crag]

SO TRUE

It's what I plan to do

[worldly sparrow]

damn

this is epic plans

[crude geode]

Sick

Sugg battleship moment

[bright crag]

Not even you, Eclipse? You're usually quite skeptical and critical of our work

Not that I'm calling you out for it, just that if there's anyone I'd expect criticism from, it's you

And constructive criticism is welcome

[deft yew]

@ashen warren Save balance suggestions for the balance thread

[ashen warren]

Mb

[golden sonnet]

also, the attack isnt that good

do you have a melee effects mod or something

as those are known to like quadrople it's damage

melee effects fucks with the biome blade line in general

25 second yharon killtime

[earnest raptor]

To be really honest, I'd really want for "5 helmet for every class" template to become the thing of far-far past

[cobalt pewter]

it should be

at most I can only see 3 helmets, even then it shouldn't still be bland

[small timber]

5 helmets can exist, they just should not have identical bonuses

because the advantage of 5 helmets is that you dont have to create like 5 more different materials to give to these armors, or to basically seemingly combine random materials into suddenly a different armor

(and of course maybe easier to sprite due to similar theming)

[sand marlin]

Here's to hoping it becomes useful at some point

Oh I just read up

[sand marlin]

Fearmonger

[bold wave]

I really agree.

[bold wave]

Prismatic is alright too

[sand marlin]

Beetle doesn't really have any issues at best I can see its numbers tweaked down a little but like the armor sets are completely fine on their own as a concept and adding something like a cooldown especially just doesn't make sense considering they are proactive set effects and actually work really well with melee

Beetle offense encourages constant aggression to keep your damage up at its peak and beetle defense encourages occasional trades for big bursts

I don't really see a flaw in these besides the bonuses possibly being too strong, it would only be an issue solved with simple tweaks to numbers

Besides, even for a flying bug, beetles aren't known for their outstanding mobility, if anything it's their tough shell, pivoting to mobility isn't so necessary

Why does Golem drop Beetle Husks????????????????

[halcyon zealot]

lol fr

[earnest raptor]

Okay I also just read the thing above but I will still list the dumb idea I just got

Instead of Galactica Singularities being made from fragments, the fragments give you Galactica Seeds.

Those seeds can grow either on Exodium blocks, or on regular stone, but Exodium is faster in terms of spread

[ripe owl]

[earnest raptor]

When it grows enough, there will be Galactica/Elemental/Whatever biome

[gleaming vortex]

so this is less about how to craft galactica sngularity and more about adding a new biom?

tbh i dont see the need for either

[earnest raptor]

This biome has:

• trees, that give luminite and fragments on cutting
• minibosses, that are themed after each class/pillar and drop the true galactica singularities, which are then used for that fancy elemental gear

[earnest raptor]

I said that idea is dumb

[earnest raptor]

Or maybe not true singularities

The entire Elemental weapons!

So there would be a choice of crafting elemental gear from luminite and other necessary weapons or go for elemental beings in space, that use that weapons to attack and drop them

[bright crag]

I think only 3 5-helmet armors should exist in the game, one for each stage

Victide for pre-HM, Hallowed for HM, Auric for post-ML

And make each class' effect different, but based on the same premise

[swift wharf]

hallowed is 4 helm

[bright crag]

Hopefully we can add the fifth

[ripe owl]

My face when the same talk was about the early hardmode ore armor sets

(they didn't get real after all)

[swift wharf]

lmao

[small timber]

something swap cinderplate and havocplate in Profaned Soul Artifact and Normality Relocator

probably is way better

[gleaming vortex]

i dont know why but many items, mainly weapons use some kinde of plate block in the recipe

[small timber]

the plate is supposed to be mainly used for the artifact item

for some reason normality relocator also has it

[swift wharf]

@chilly ingot #1042197406776827914

[chilly ingot]

I uh… don’t see that channel anywhere

[swift wharf]

Check the pins

[chilly ingot]

Didn’t even show up until I clicked it, and it disappears the second I click off of it lmao

They REALLY need to just make it a normal channel lol

[golden sonnet]

You just need to join it

[chilly ingot]

I mean I just posted in it and it’s still disappearing when I click off of it lol

And it doesn’t show up in the choose your channels menu

[small timber]

be more specific which ark you want to buff

because ark of the cosmos in particular is top tier

[frosty trellis]

None of the arks need a buff

Fractured is beyond broken
Ancients as much as I've shit on it in the past can do excellent damage
Elements is pretty freakin' good
Cosmos is broken

[deft yew]

Why can fractured ark parry projectiles

Actually lemme just

Make Fractured Ark only able to parry enemies, not projectiles

The Fractured Ark can activate its parry ability on anything with a hitbox, including projectiles, which allows it to start shooting projectiles from any range at no risk. Its projectiles are already very strong, so this kind of kills any incentive to get close while using it, especially for a melee weapon. Letting it parry projectiles makes sense on paper given the boss it’s used for is Wall of Flesh, but Wall in Calamity is easier to approach for the most part (and even if it wasn’t, parries can still be landed on Hungries and Leeches).
Making Fractured Ark only able to parry enemies would give much more incentive to get close while using it, which would make its playstyle more interesting and a bit less cheap.

[hollow ridge]

Me and my homies getting dqed for dodging thru projectiles 😭

[grim tusk]

@gritty plaza donator item, you need permision from the donor

[sand marlin]

I've never seen anyone parry WoF lasers

Nor have I done it myself

It's always at close range since I'm already planning to stay close for the whole burst

How would you properly parry WoF lasers anyway

They have such a small hitbox

And are fast af

[swift wharf]

That sounds like a bug

[fervent orbit]

wat does

[swift wharf]

latest sugg

[gleaming vortex]

i can send a pic and it will make more sense

[fervent orbit]

oh its more of a quirk of how it was programmed

[sand marlin]

It's based on the screen yeah

Not your character

[drowsy plank]

tbf this would kind of fuck with the settings to

move the stealth meter on the screen but

eh

[fervent orbit]

also, not everyone keeps it under/above their player

[gleaming vortex]

i guess so

and adding another setting only for the position of the meter wouldnt be worth the devs time

[bright crag]

I'm against them being 5-helmet tbh

Just Hallowed

[bright crag]

TRUE

[grizzled dome]

how long has it been since someone suggested renaming the Rune of Kos? I don't play enough to come up with meaningful suggestions but want to feel like I'm contributing.

[frail mantle]

i remember someone ages back suggesting to rename it to the rune of kys

other than that idk

[worldly sparrow]

it's gonna be replaced/removed sooner or later

the 3 bosses' only relation is that they are related to the distortion so it makes no sense to group them anymore

[grizzled dome]

I just feel like a major item which is crucial to progression and (at least indirectly) lore-relevant bosses shouldn't be named after something from another game. Kos is not a character in Calamity. It is a character in Bloodborne.

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, it's getting replaced

[grizzled dome]

Then renaming it is probably not smart and just serve to confuse people for no reason, huh. Unless the replacement is planned for Sometime In The Indefinite Future, I guess? In which case a rename would almost certainly be much faster as a stopgap...

[worldly sparrow]

it's been planned to be replaced ever since the lore rewrite

the 3 bosses have almost nothing to do with eachother

[grizzled dome]

...I think that suggesting a stopgap would still be a good idea even if nobody votes for it for the reason presented above... maybe it'll make the total number enough that an additional good suggestion makes it into the top percent to be considered?

Rename the Rune of Kos

Although the Rune of Kos will at some point be entirely removed from the game, it is currently extremely important for progression through the mod. However, it's named after Kos — a character who doesn't even appear in Calamity at all, but is instead a reference to Bloodborne, an entirely unrelated game. This out-of-place reference only serves to confuse the lore.
Thoughts on this wording?

[worldly sparrow]

it's good enough

[grizzled dome]

I'm posting, but wondering to myself if it's good and not just good enough

[dense ferry]

It's going to be renamed, don't worry

But we are holding off for now to not change too much all at once

[grizzled dome]

Ah. If that was publicly posted, I am very sorry.

[wide river]

You can't bring up future content in a suggestion
While it is gonna get changed at some point in the future, I don't think that's valid to bring up in a suggestion

[dense ferry]

It's ok, it's shoved in like

The end of the world in Lore Disc or whatever

[grizzled dome]

thank you, fixed

I haven't been checking Lore Discussion as much as I should out of some incomprehensible desire to avoid spoilers and discover lore As It Was Intended despite already knowing most of the spoilers

[worldly sparrow]

discovering lore is crazy hard outside of the lore items

[grizzled dome]

true, but I am the kind of person to read those.

[worldly sparrow]

nice

[grizzled dome]

if we're talking about significant things named after other media there is of course the Eye and Brain of Cthulhu, but those are vanilla. To say nothing of the crossover content.

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, the crossover content isnt canon

[fervent orbit]

martians

[drowsy plank]

eye of cthulhu has a bit more ring to it than eye of moon lord tbh

[worldly sparrow]

also in vanilla the moon lord is probably cthulhu

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao

[worldly sparrow]

though it could also be his brother

[wide river]

Eye of Steve

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-yskysn-ltg-thunder-thunder-gif-23523876

[buoyant idol]

You should yourself NOW

[livid coral]

keys

[odd geyser]

Keep yourself safe

[grave zinc]

@vocal grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Implement a brief cooldown between rage indicator sounds]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

lol

[royal tapir]

Super Mario in real life

[cobalt pewter]

so true

[hearty yew]

😤

[livid coral]

This was intentional, of course

[hearty yew]

yeah I should be clear, since that emote does not communicate much

I intentionally implemented that now so it would be available in the port

[wide river]

For an emote called "triumph" it looks more like frustration to me

[cobalt pewter]

speaking of the port, I take it the mod won't just drop by the immediate week following the tmod 1.4.4?

[hearty yew]

...actually, it probably will

we will have appropriate announcements but it will be out as soon as possible

ideally, when tmod 1.4.4 is ready

[kindred scroll]

oh seriously? So yeah were down the last few days then

[deft yew]

any objections bc i might as well put this through now

[small timber]

main problem is it might cause the opposite issue: since it is post-Slime God your only target is WOF

so you either need a very very good arena setup to reasonably parry WOF (because you need to be running at the sametime), or you are to use it against HM bosses and can parry contact only

which for most of the HM bosses is not ideal

[deft yew]

what you're telling me is this loops back around to hellgen bad

[small timber]

WOF always loop back to hellgen being bad

[deft yew]

love this game

[small timber]

always

I have exactly 1 idea that can significantly improve WOF, that is to make it not WOF

make is super slow, enrage charge instantly as soon as you are outside of screen, turn it into a bullet hell boss

[deft yew]

my idea that can significantly improve wof is STOP MODDING TERRARIA! ARMOR was not supposed to-

[small timber]

ok I seriously think I should just suggest it at this point

since otherwise WOF will just stay in its current infinite hellgen issue stat

[deft yew]

ture