suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

Drew's Wings are still a Solar Wings recolor after like 7 years of being in the mod

And Celestial Tracers wings are still banded to hell and back

It really wouldn't be that big a deal to have a kinda wack sprite if you want a functional item
within uhh
3 years of it being proposed

[swift wharf]

damn I thought sdfmg was the oldest non boss sprite in the mod

[earnest raptor]

Maybe because they are developer item?

[swift wharf]

drew wings are a few months older

[swift wharf]

developer items still get resprites

[hollow shell]

Hell no

I'm sure Fabsol would love if they were like
pink and sparkly

[swift wharf]

some get a lot

[hollow shell]

instead of a vanilla recolor

[earnest raptor]

I was going to say that those wings are one of the developer items and therefore are not changed

[swift wharf]

other fab dedicated content gets resprited too

prob all of them got at least one resprite

[hollow shell]

Even Cirrus herself

[earnest raptor]

or maybe because drew wings are instantly upgraded into celestial tracers and therefore nobody knows they exist as separate item

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[hollow shell]

Fun fact

[swift wharf]

goddamn

[small timber]

surprised cosmolight is not locked behind providence at the time

or the technology for cosmolight didnt exist yet

[swift wharf]

I was about to mention scourge of desert missing but that was after rev

[hollow shell]

Ohh even funner fact! What a coincidence

[swift wharf]

cosmolight is as old as dew wigns

but on an unrelated note i wouldn't mind moving it to later in the progression

[hollow shell]

Cosmolight?

[swift wharf]

ya

[earnest raptor]

But cosmolight was later

[hollow shell]

I brought up something like that in the dev server, long while back
Either moving it later or giving it some sort of cost to use
Just so the player isn't able to completely ignore the day night cycle the moment they enter Hardmode (or, at the time, kill Cryo)

What resulted was a conversation to not do any of that but instead make Cosmolight more "modern" and not just flip the time of day

That, only kinda happened

after 1.4 came out and we just used its time functions instead

[earnest raptor]

At least cryo-stabilized hexagon took effort to beat

[swift wharf]

infinite rf transmission !!

[earnest raptor]

When Permafrost is going to sell enderium alloy?

[swift wharf]

lets charge the induction matrix let's run the mechanism

namedrop fire writing

[hollow shell]

The main proposal at the time was making it do something like an at-will Enchanted Sundial or sleeping in bed effect
speed up time

I liked that idea.

[swift wharf]

Anyways one day some guy came into cmt to complain that cosmolight (and onyx drill but not relevant rn) was too op for their tier

which got devoured by people because qol but he was right

[hollow shell]

Shoulda told them to make a sugg

[swift wharf]

I was blinded by conformity

[hollow shell]

QoL is a dangerous game

The end result of all QoL is:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2954124631

[earnest raptor]

the screenshot of your famous sentence about terraria players wanting to end the game as fast as possible

[hollow shell]

Exactly

Man, crazy that I'm still around

[earnest raptor]

I even referenced it when I was asked to simplify some mechanics in my own "games" (too far in my opinion)

[swift wharf]

quality of life tyranny

[hollow shell]

(Eclipse is this actually you)

[swift wharf]

no that's villie kallio

[hollow shell]

Damn

[swift wharf]

click my profile

on discord

this server*

[hollow shell]

I am still glad that that copypasta was literally the first comment on the mod

[small timber]

Calamity Ultimate QoL Mod:
after you created a world scal and draedon is immediately defeated, now you instantly get the satisfaction of beating Calamity Mod without having to do anything

[hollow shell]

Mario Maker autoplay levels but for Calamity

[swift wharf]

i helped duck make the mod ofc it has to be me (and by help I mean commented about things

[small timber]

starter gear sword of the universe + soul of the eternity

[ashen warren]

Honestly my biggest gripe is them calling it an arpg when it’s seemingly the furthest thing from it

[swift wharf]

I might actually use that mod in 20 years so I can check infernum bosses without playing the game

[small timber]

time to insert POE level skilltrees into the game

[hollow shell]

I'll check out Infernum when I code my own mod that adds Katana Zero / Dead Cells movement into the game so that I can feel something again

[ashen warren]

Hell yeah

[small timber]

it will actually be cool but it will always have to wait until year 2050

[swift wharf]

the real solution is for me to keep the game uninstalled and watch nohits

[earnest raptor]

Just absorb 7 human souls to become your past yourself

[hollow shell]

😔

alas.

[small timber]

someone bring this into terraria please

[swift wharf]

hey rover where did your pfp come from

WHAT the HELL is that

[ashen warren]

Poe

[small timber]

it is a skill tree

[hollow shell]

art friend made it for me as bday gift a while back

[swift wharf]

no the character

[ashen warren]

It’s a sight to behold and only one of the passive trees in the game

[swift wharf]

oc

[ashen warren]

Not including atlas tree

[hollow shell]

It's my own original character
kinda slowly developed over the years
Originally was an Undertale OC technically?

[small timber]

waiting for the skill tree inside each piece of gear because we already have weapon skill tree

[cobalt pewter]

as I always said, that comment of rover's is eternal and will always be relevant as long as Terraria is still a thing

[swift wharf]

ik its undertale i just mentioned it because 7 souls

[hollow shell]

If you somehow knew that and you were tying it into Trashbox's Asriel reference then kudos to-

holy shit

[swift wharf]

i rembee

remember

👴

[cobalt pewter]

old

[hollow shell]

alright ANYWAY

[cobalt pewter]

what was the topic again? spriting standards?

I haven't followed

[hollow shell]

yeah something irrelevant to this channel anyhow

[swift wharf]

cosmolight and its consequences

[hollow shell]

I don't think a suggestion to lower the requirement for art server sprites to be accepted would go over well
nor really be warranted

as there were only like, 3 close vote rejections since the new system was added

[cobalt pewter]

the EVIL

[ashen warren]

Now 1.4.4 just has

[swift wharf]

1.4.0

[cobalt pewter]

was it 1.4

yea

bedge has been a while around now

[ashen warren]

Tbf I didn’t play 1.4.0

[cobalt pewter]

fair enough

[hollow shell]

Vanilla QoLicide'd itself

Ecto Mist [shudders]

[cobalt pewter]

to be fair I would rather have bedge than stupid holdout item #2852874

[swift wharf]

what is this "world evil exclusively" you speak of

[hollow shell]

tbf I like Shimmer as a QoL thing because it's so weird and out of the way
and is pretty with custom assets and visuals
Way better than just crafting shit

[swift wharf]

exclusivity*

[earnest raptor]

at least, it's more creative solution than selling opposite evil items at meta NPCs

[cobalt pewter]

shimmer is so wacky wahoo

but the overall aether aesthetic really fucks yea

[swift wharf]

shimmer is cool

[earnest raptor]

like when I still played this game (which was musket only playthrough, either first or second one), I didn't really like the trend that every useful item in the game is sold by modded NPCs

[swift wharf]

rod of discord wizard money gang

[earnest raptor]

especially when I started to farm some plants with regrowth staff and realised than gathering potions is not as hard as the other modded players want you to think

[swift wharf]

It is indeed not

It's really easy but why do that when npc selling all 35 potions in the game

[earnest raptor]

or maybe my patience is just extremely high from developing and playing modded minecraft

[swift wharf]

nah

the patience here is just really low

something something why use my time grinding when I could be fighting the next boss

[earnest raptor]

my point is that you can still gather acceptable stashes of potions with vanilla methods without resorting to converting money into them

[swift wharf]

yeah

if you're lucky enough you can get pretty much all the seeds from herb bags

[cobalt pewter]

I think there are only a handful of potions that really needed a reduction in some way (anything involving shark fins basically), but selling potions in NPCs really dumbed down a potential gardening aspect of the game

idk I just hate how everything is thrown in a barely usable shop system

[earnest raptor]

shaking hands gif that I am scared to send because there was just automod message deleting something

[ashen warren]

Just some dude posting an inv, you’ll be fine probably

[drowsy plank]

the 1.5 npc relationships updates teasing that the NPC UI might be made fucking usuable

wdym making NPC shops behave like chests isnt intuitive

[cobalt pewter]

1.5?

[drowsy plank]

red mumbled something about it on twitter before he deactivated, specifically in relation to adding player x npc relationships, which would probably require revamping those UIs to be less awful

of course i could be wrong and it would also just be tacked on but i can dream cant i

[cobalt pewter]

probably for a future final update then

or Terraria 2 idk

[small timber]

Final last update 5:

[random pasture]

Last update (Real)

[wide river]

Because Tarragon Wings were briefly mentioned and you have went on record numerous times to say you love how Tarragon Wings look with Green Dye

But now I like Cursed Being's idea as to the reason more so frick you

[blazing kettle]

would you like a side order of "la ruga in calamity* with that sugg sire?

[wide river]

@kindred lava Please don't make joke suggestions
Also, Calamity isn't on 1.4.4 yet, so even if this wasn't a joke suggestion, your suggestion would be invalid either way

[wide river]

Unironically just that would have a higher chance of passing

[eager bobcat]

Based suggestion

[kindred lava]

not joke suggestion
would like to see it

[wide river]

Ah yes, the classic counter to joke suggestions: "It's not a joke though"

[blazing kettle]

if you wabt maid cal npc theres lijely a mod that already does that somewhere

[kindred lava]

its a serious suggestion though
idk why you have to be such a stickler about it

[wide river]

I am merely asking you to follow the rules
Nothing more

[worldly sparrow]

ooh, i got a 4 in a row!

[wide river]

Almost a bingo, I take it?

[worldly sparrow]

yup

[bright crag]

Calamitas' shimmer version is obviously not gonna be a maid

No point in suggesting it

[worldly sparrow]

i hope it'll be the classic eye

[royal tapir]

Shimmer Calamitas is my super edgy Calamity OC

[worldly sparrow]

byeah thats unlikely

[sleek turret]

shimmer calamitas is gonna be mlp calamitas

my best guess tbfh

[kindred lava]

alright alright

[eager bobcat]

There IS a maid skin mod already, btw

[bright crag]

It's not the eye

[errant bobcat]

Oh, I was expecting it to be the eye as well

[fervent orbit]

shes just gonna be a normal terrarian

[wide river]

Shimmer Scal becomes default Terrarian (real)

[swift wharf]

yooo

[fervent orbit]

wait is like

wat is scal?

is she terrarian or different species

[swift wharf]

calamita is a quantity of white clay

[fervent orbit]

clearly scal is lihzahrdian

[errant bobcat]

Hmm yes

Witch doctor is scals brother

[wide river]

I think she's Azafurian

[random talon]

She's not an Azafurian! She's obviously a cucumber!

[drowsy plank]

im just gonna

delete

too far gone to be salvaged

[wide river]

Thanks Cog

[halcyon zealot]

I think ur on to something

[sleek turret]

i'm not on to something i'm just guessing based fab's ideas and stuff that he likes/liked

(cirrus is going to be a pony anyways so)

[fervent orbit]

shimmer cirrus is actually me

[halcyon zealot]

[livid coral]

I already made shimmer designs anyway

And I hate maid Calamitas so it’s not gonna be that

[odd geyser]

Let's pray she has drip and that the drip is supreme

[swift wharf]

it's actually cyclops calamitas from eons ago

[blazing kettle]

it would be quite funny if it was like the scal npc back when ginyuh was teasing the draedon upate

[royal tapir]

GFB SCal should only say "Mrrp is cringe"

[blazing kettle]

this

[sleek nymph]

CALAMITAS WHAT HAPPENED

also whats the recommended weapons and armor for DoG

[swift wharf]

#help-advice-read-pins

[weak lily]

We were just talking about this on the art server.

I think it is good.

[restive kraken]

would it be valid to suggest a structure/minibiome? not a full on biome with background and enemy spawn changes but just something like draedon labs

[small timber]

you probably have to be extremely convincing for it to be accepted

[drowsy plank]

^

and also at the same time convince people that it would not be too difficult to add

kinda like rox shrine

[north oracle]

@drowsy nest can't make suggestions about future content

wait till after the port

[drowsy nest]

okk

its a fair suggestion tho 🥱

[worldly sparrow]

damn just arrived

[north oracle]

that is true, but it's still about future content

[drowsy nest]

shhhhh

[worldly sparrow]

a classic

[drowsy nest]

what

[worldly sparrow]

its just that 30% of people who break sugg rules say that after the rule broken is pointed out

[drowsy nest]

i never knew it was a rule

[worldly sparrow]

:/

[drowsy nest]

it was more of somethin i just thought about and decided to post

[worldly sparrow]

well now you do

[drowsy nest]

i kinda assumed it wouldnt work anyway

and it honestly is a very fair suggestion

[worldly sparrow]

i mean its not like roh would have much use in br anyways

[drowsy nest]

kinda would

if you cna simply spam teleport

you really wont ever get hit

[worldly sparrow]

roh is an item which means you really wont ever get damage in

[drowsy nest]

people mostly play with other mods

alot of qol mods add keybinds for rod of discord

[worldly sparrow]

it's not calamity's job to account for other mods

[drowsy nest]

summoner still exists

rogue would also benefit massivly due to its use

[worldly sparrow]

no shit

but since roh is after scal and draedon you cant use it on any bosses on tier

and i guarantee that when yharim update arrives in 50 years it'll be moved to post-yharim

[drowsy nest]

nvm then

you clearly want it

moving roh behind boss rush would make boss rush both worth it and aswell as that it would help balancing

[worldly sparrow]

oh hell yes, i fucking love rod of harmony. i cant stop using it to teleport one place AND THEN teleport to another. the fucking dopamine rush it gives me, it's unparalelled.

[drowsy nest]

ew

why do you talk like that

weirdo

[worldly sparrow]

twas a joke

[drowsy nest]

you still said it

[worldly sparrow]

yeah?

ill say what i want to

[drowsy nest]

dnc

[worldly sparrow]

k

[drowsy nest]

😁

[bright crag]

Yes
The Shadowspec tier will always be after all bosses

I don't know if it'll be before of after Noxus/Xeroc though
But that question won't be answered for a looong time

[worldly sparrow]

well yeah, we dont have to worry about the superbosses for probably years

cuz currently the biomes rework is a thing

[halcyon zealot]

hope it's before
it'd be very fulfilling to be able to use the super op endgame gear on likewise op bosses

[dense ferry]

@glass arch I don't think it's needed, at all

Simply because if you kill the body it's obvious

Also it breaks the sheer awe that is activating the Codebreaker and just seeing the NPC named "Draedon"

"Draedon Recon Body" is also a mouthful

[glass arch]

fair

mainly suggested it due to a conversation that was had in calart

[north oracle]

@dense ferry can you come back for a sec

[dense ferry]

Sure

[dapper apex]

Truly the suggestion of the time

[dense ferry]

@ashen warren no

[north oracle]

thanks lol

[dense ferry]

I'm not going to answer

[small timber]

🔨

[random talon]

These suggestions just keep getting smarter and smarter!

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-toss-bye-gif-4963915

[halcyon zealot]

@sleek nymph at least try to be a bit more convincing 😭

[sleek nymph]

?

[wide river]

Every time I look back in this chat there's another suggestion that breaks a Don't
So, server suggestions aren't allowed in this channel. Go ask @sonic torrent if you want that

[drowsy plank]

@sleek nymph emote suggestions are for modmail, but this would be more a sticker suggestion, which usually dont get in, furthermore, they are usually already done, so, im probably gonna guess you aren't gonna draw it, so id suggest just not bothering

[sleek nymph]

k

[glass arch]

resubmit for the 4th time i hope this time it goes through 🙏

[wide river]

Important thing that should be brought up: Leviathan and Anahita had recipes for their drops, but were removed
Note that in the suggestion because it will help your case

[glass arch]

that was only to tier lock the drops for whatever reason

i think a better example would be slime god having crafts for its drops that were removed

[wide river]

Point that out then
Just having some sort of comparison point to reinforce your point will help a bit

[bright crag]

About the recent suggestion, I will probably 🔒 it

I suggested to remove the weapons from their loot pool and make them solely craftable, and the vote seems to have passed (8x1)
This would rule out the redundancy while also keeping the materials relevant

And before you say "kill the materials"
We might need them for the upcoming evil-2 armor
So unless we're sure that removing their materials will be fine, making the weapons solely craftable is the best option

[ripe owl]

Bosses that drop nothing but crafting materials my beloved

[bright crag]

(Is that a problem?)

[wide river]

It's certainly better than the alternative

I don't see how it's a problem

[drowsy plank]

i dont think we need another tier of crimson/corruption themed weapons

unless they were post moon lord

id be okay with that because the biomes fall off hard at that point

[bright crag]

At the same time, fighting a boss and getting nothing for an extended amoumt of time is
Not great
Which is why they'll still drop the materials to make weapons

Whether be from materials, direct drops, or unlocked NPCs, you'll always get something immediately after fighting a boss

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah of course, i just meant that, assuming the materials did remain, the only other opinion i could deduce from zav's message is that they would drop NEW weapons

which is ass

[worldly sparrow]

adding another tier of evil post-ml would be hard to do considering how cramped early-mid post-ml is, and late-post-ml is just the big guys

but like, it'd be nice if the evils didnt drop off nearly as hard as they did

so idk

[bright crag]

Evil-2 shouldn't have started out as right after evil-1
The associated content and how it connects to the progression is a major reason why it's hard to move them now

Metaphorically, the concrete is already dry

[north oracle]

we need to find a jackhammer

[bright crag]

Removing it would damage the surroundings

[crude geode]

Yeah it would seriously fuck up progression if you tried to move evil 2 at this point

Mainly cuz of like aerialite but also probably some other stuff I’m not thinking of

[worldly sparrow]

ok but what if you swapped evil-2 with another point in progression

i forsee no problems coming from this

[sleek turret]

???

[frosty trellis]

And this
Is why
Crab and Deerclops
Should be moved
To be in between the two
So it isn't like that anymore

[frosty trellis]

But noooooo, it had to be rejected

[bright crag]

I don't think that would help

[frosty trellis]

It helps a ton

[bright crag]

It would put Aerialite closer to Statigel for example

[wide river]

Just swap Providence and Evil-2
This will certainly not effect the trout population

[frosty trellis]

No it wouldn't because literally nothing is done about deerclops in cal

[sleek turret]

pre-hm is alredy set in the stone tbh

[bright crag]

Crabulon is the one true wild card, and he can't change much on his own

[north oracle]

there still needs to be even more of a gap to prevent just rushing evil2 while you're there and being overgeared for crab

[bright crag]

In what sense?
It's still a boss

[wide river]

(Please note this is a joke)

[frosty trellis]

His drops are absolutely dogshit for the tier he is placed at and have recieved zero changes and would probably need way smaller adjustments if they were moved to pre-evil2

[worldly sparrow]

just rushing evil 2? man i fight hive mind BEFORE eater of worlds

[sleek turret]

just because it's not changed by calamity it shouldn't be considered

[worldly sparrow]

also if we moved deerclops between evil 1 and evil 2, would anyone actually bother to fight him?

[drowsy plank]

idk maybe you can say that about

[worldly sparrow]

already nobody fights him

[drowsy plank]

literally the whole mod

[deft yew]

i will physically force people to fight deerclops dw about it

[north oracle]

only in infernum because they made him a cool fight
i genuinely do hope cal does something to make him more worthwhile, because he's not cool and his drops don't do much atm

[sleek turret]

i would absolutely do skeletron before any evil2 boss section and just follow vanilla progression

even skip qb

[cobalt pewter]

I might not be the biggest deerclops shill, but the way cal community in particular does this boss dirty is honestly unforgivable

[deft yew]

oh boy, you mentioned infernum in a sugg channel! a hitman is on the way

[bright crag]

Memes improved Houndius iirc
I plan on improving Weather Pain eventually

[north oracle]

[frosty trellis]

Still a boss that cal doesn't change whatsoever

And that most people don't even fight anyways because he isn't worthwhile nor locks anything for any class, unlike QB which is massive for summoner and ranger and skeletron being absolutely fucking wild

Did you know that deerclops is apparently intended to be post skeletron? I sure as heck didn't know that until I looked at the vanilla wiki and I bet most didn't either because no one would think of that when deerclops is forgettable anyways

And regardless: Putting Crab and Deerclops between the evils means the evils aren't one after another which is just very..... weird and nonsensical at this point, unless Cei or Reb can give me a pretty big lore reason on why that is the case

[worldly sparrow]

lmao its not just calamity

the folks at vanilla hate him too

[sleek turret]

certain people hate on certain bosses causing the community just follow what they say

[drowsy plank]

i still dont understand what point was being made here. the idea is BECAUSE he is a blank slate, that moving him and the other least identity driven boss between two, very homogenous bosses, would help expand a tier with literally NO CONTENT (post-evil1 to post-evil2)

[cobalt pewter]

see I understand vanilla because they can't do anything about deerclops

[frosty trellis]

LITERALLY

[cobalt pewter]

modded (especially cal) has all the power to change deerclops but they didn't due to spite

[worldly sparrow]

well yeah, being crossover content and all

[deft yew]

Cool bug Fact's: deerclops is NOT intended to be post-skeletron

[cobalt pewter]

isn't dclops post evil?

idr

[deft yew]

interchangeable with queen bee

[sleek turret]

yeah he's in the same bracket

[glass arch]

aint qb also intended post skele or am i crazy

[frosty trellis]

From the official terraria wiki

[sleek turret]

No.

[deft yew]

clops is only post skele in emode because fargo devs got that from a misreading of either the wiki or boss checklist

or something

[glass arch]

well im crazy either way

[sleek turret]

qb is post evil

[drowsy plank]

someone should probably tell the vanilla wiki then lol

[north oracle]

i still don't understand why deerclops still doesn't have any cal ai
it's been quite a while since the port, and it's a boss lol

[deft yew]

this is a subjective suggestion though, it says nothing about intent

[drowsy plank]

ah thanks discord for not loading anything until after i posted

very cool

[glass arch]

because pretty much nobody on the team likes deerclops

[sleek turret]

it doesn't have one out of spite

[worldly sparrow]

crossover content moment

[small timber]

hellstone is also "intended" to be post-skeletron which is why hellstone stuffs in vanilla is end of pre-HM tier

[worldly sparrow]

also nobody wants to code him ai

[small timber]

so yes, vanilla progression is kind of scuffed

[sleek turret]

yeah it's just being spiteful to the boss

[cobalt pewter]

honestly I don't mind dclops and crab be stuffed between the evils

honestly the evil² are the ones at fault for existing here but they ain't removing any bosses

[small timber]

and of course the whole "moon is post-Golem" thing

[north oracle]

that's not a fucking excuse, it's been way too long to just ignore an entire boss

[deft yew]

moons being post golem is skull emoji

[glass arch]

im telling you why they havent not that its a good thing

[worldly sparrow]

oh well, thats just how it is

[north oracle]

ik, i'm not annoyed with you lol

[drowsy plank]

yeah but until we get another vanilla dev saying otherwise, that's how they're balanced so.

[deft yew]

"nobody on the team likes deerclops" ok nobody on the team likes ravager or signus and they've had rework plans cooking for a long freakin time

[cobalt pewter]

moons being post-Golem is silly, but yeah that's apparently a fact according to late Leinfors

[worldly sparrow]

bro whos moons

moon lord?

[sleek turret]

pumpkin and frost moon events

[glass arch]

frost and pumpkin moon

[north oracle]

yeah lol
there's other pretty universally disliked bosses, but they get reworks

[bright crag]

If your point is that Deerclops is forgettable, I doubt being shifted around will change that much

I consider the gap between evil-2 and Skeletron/SG to be much more important, because there's a lot of Skeletron vanilla content and also because that gap is supposed to separate two major Calamity sets
They already feel umcomfortably close, being separated by two optional bosses, one of which is usually ignored

There's no lore reason for evil-2 to be immediately after evil-1

[cobalt pewter]

it's less "nobody likes deerclops" and more "fab fucking despises dclops in particular"

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[deft yew]

why does just specifically deerclops out of all bosses get hated on so fervently

[north oracle]

then someone else can make the boss
if fab doesn't want to make it, that seems like a pretty good time for another developer to have a try

[sleek turret]

it's just hatred towards a boss and out of spite they don't do anything about it

[small timber]

I think the point was that because deerclops is so forgettable, it is also suitable to be moved anywhere without any controversy

thus why not move it to a point of progression that is currently lacking content

[cobalt pewter]

crossover

[worldly sparrow]

also very annoying fight

[cobalt pewter]

though I don't think he despises betsy as much (or I haven't heard anything about him shitting on betsy)

[north oracle]

very annoying fight that cal hasn't even tried to change to make better

[deft yew]

you know what else are annoying fights?

dest, plant, ML

QS

[glass arch]

yeah deerclops is a very forgettable boss
in all my playthroughs ive fought it once

[drowsy plank]

deerclops is new and vanilla and unchanged

[worldly sparrow]

god

[north oracle]

god vanilla QS

[cobalt pewter]

and crossover

[drowsy plank]

and also his drops suck
that's pretty much the whole reason

that too

[worldly sparrow]

also he doesnt have a summon item afaik

[bright crag]

I don't think many people on the team are interested in making bosses (that aren't for gfb)

[north oracle]

guh

[cobalt pewter]

he has a sentry

[sleek turret]

crossover content ‼️ (insert uncle ben what happened template)

[worldly sparrow]

no thats not what i meant-

[deft yew]

GET them interested

[cobalt pewter]

and weather pain is just a summon weapon masquerading as a magic weapon

[north oracle]

Deer Thing

[deft yew]

bosses have been entirely one-sided for way, way too long

[sleek turret]

deer thing is the goddamn boss spawn item

[glass arch]

moving deerclops between them works because deerclops has no reason to be in any specific tier

[worldly sparrow]

quite weird that deerclops is the only boss fought in the ice biome

[north oracle]

yeah lol
there should really be more than 1 person doing boss code on a mod this big it seems

[deft yew]

are you saying we can move deerclops to post plantera

[glass arch]

cryogen

[drowsy plank]

...cryogen?

[worldly sparrow]

was talkin vanilla

[north oracle]

uh

[drowsy plank]

Yes.

[cobalt pewter]

people have been asking for ice bosses in vanilla

[bright crag]

I do think dev would benefit from more boss discussion

[cobalt pewter]

in fact, desert is the only major biome without a boss in vanilla iirc

[glass arch]

you could if you wanted to, youd just need to make it not a cake walk at that tier

[deft yew]

literally everything else in the mod (far as i'm aware) is open to discussion/development by anyone

[worldly sparrow]

ocean in vanilla

[cobalt pewter]

....

duke

[worldly sparrow]

shit

[sleek turret]

desert ≠ ocean

[cobalt pewter]

this doesn't happen with bosses because of the absolute (?) monopoly over boss programming

[bright crag]

This is why I disagree with moving Crabulon and Deerclops

[worldly sparrow]

the hallow also doesn't have a major boss, you only get the eol and qs summon items there, you can fight em both anywwhere

[novel belfry]

i mean, i still count those as hallow bosses anyways

[deft yew]

yes exactly

[bright crag]

Doesn't seem like it's monopoly, it seems like... lack of interest, to be honest

[glass arch]

i think what stip means here is not that discussing boss design is limited but that they just dont really do it

[sleek turret]

it's lack of dialogue

[deft yew]

communication ‼️

[novel belfry]

and besides, I really just wish evil2 was moved to hardmode

[cobalt pewter]

no I am pretty sure Prismatic Lacewing can only stay alive in hallow

[north oracle]

that seems like a different issue in that case

[worldly sparrow]

nope

wrong

[novel belfry]

truth be told, I ***intially ***believed they were hardmode bosses

[glass arch]

unfortunately, aerialite lore

[worldly sparrow]

it takes a second to vanish in other biomes

[north oracle]

it lives for long enough to be brutally murdered anywhere

[worldly sparrow]

you can kill the butterfly before it vanishes

[sleek turret]

yeah we can throw all the complaints and stuff about certain people in another convo for another day

[bright crag]

I don't really see anyone being actively interested in helping with the boss design

[deft yew]

is it genuine lack of interest or is it aversion due to the previous seven years of actual monopoly

[north oracle]

mm

[novel belfry]

its probably aversion

[glass arch]

lynel you forget a good chunk of the team wasnt there for the last 7 years

[novel belfry]

when you're THIS used to fabsol doing literally all the bosses himself, it's kinda hard to remember that you now have a voice in boss design

[worldly sparrow]

not unless you hire more devs that would be interested (jk)

[cobalt pewter]

only 1 boss out of 42 (or 44?) rev+ bosses was entirely designed not by fab iirc

[deft yew]

oh i know they weren't, but i imagine they've heard enough about it

[sleek turret]

it's kinda hard to remember that there are people who also contribute in dev that is hardly credited.,...

[cobalt pewter]

(Hive Mind was designed by Terry)

[bright crag]

I don't know... I just see a lack of discussion about it
I find Fabsol to be very reasonable and approachable, so at least I'm inclined to think people are just not into it

[frosty trellis]

I mean the deerclops thing I get with the forgettability thing but it was moved to post evils and balanced around that it could at least have idenity since the deer thing is already crafted with evil bars already

What about crab though? What is stopping crab from being buffed enough to make it in between the two?

[worldly sparrow]

nothing really

[sleek turret]

gonna be real honest with you stip, if fab was reasonable and approachable he wouldn't flame and use fallacies and instead use healthy open dialogue

[novel belfry]

make crabulon enchant the Aerialite
/s

[bright crag]

It can be done and I definitely wouldn't disagree, but I doubt it'd be a sufficient gap

[small timber]

had some feedback in the tierlist server (though most people ended up not filling it so I filled most of it instead)

[frosty trellis]

It is better than quite literally nothing lets just be real here

[bright crag]

Yes, I did see that

[small timber]

I think the tldr is cal is abit hesitant on making changes

[cobalt pewter]

people still give crab a lot of engagement due to the music

[frosty trellis]

That is a take that from experience with talking with fab myself I wholeheartedly disagree with

[north oracle]

^

[glass arch]

boss design is hard, too
a full set of thematic attacks that actually work for the tier is hard to come up with

[north oracle]

Both talking to people about fab recently and actually talking to him myself

[small timber]

mainly because every changes will be seen as "BRAND NEW CALAMITY BOSS IN 2023" so anything must stay from the start and cant be temporary

[cobalt pewter]

replace the music with literal white noise then maybe people will actually want to see crab be talked about

[crude geode]

Is crab between eoc and evil 1

[worldly sparrow]

deerclops has it easy, he already has moves from dst

[small timber]

which basically means every idea you will have to stick with it

[cobalt pewter]

I think so

[frosty trellis]

Atm yes

[bright crag]

Aerialite lore only imposes one thing: it's unlocked by evil-2
So it can be Hardmode, but shuffling around evil-2 is shuffling around Aerialite, which will mess with a lot of progression

[glass arch]

1 or 2 attacks isnt bad
but 1 or 2 attacks isnt enough for a full on rework

[frosty trellis]

It's:
KS
DS
Eye
Crab
Evil1
Evil2
QB
Skele
Deerclops (apparently)
SG
WOF

[novel belfry]

wait, what is the Aerialite lore?

[bright crag]

Unreleased yet

[glass arch]

you have to wait to find out

[north oracle]

Also they’d need AI reworks because those bosses would not be fun with high mobility

[novel belfry]

release it, or I'll still ask for evil 2 to be moved

/s

[bright crag]

It will be released with the Aerialite rework

[north oracle]

Can’t** not** make a suggestion based off future content

[glass arch]

ok but you forget the devs most powerful tool:

[bright crag]

Note that Aerialite is also used for Arsenal T1
Shuffling around Aerialite is shuffling around one arsenal tier

[novel belfry]

hmm

[bright crag]

Thank Zeratros, using Aerialite for Arsenal will make sense with the lore

[crude geode]

Lmao

[novel belfry]

does the lore have to do with the fact that the corruption/crimson were formed from a god yharim killed?

[worldly sparrow]

just make a different boss enchant the aerialite /s

[glass arch]

that and arsenal t2 is also right fucking there

[novel belfry]

cause that's my guess

[bright crag]

Kinda, yeah

[glass arch]

thats not even an implication its directly stated

[crude geode]

They meant what aerialite has to do with crimson iirc

[bright crag]

Would require a revamp of a good chunk of lore

Possibly ending up in a worse state

[deft yew]

we have no context for what said boss could be

[drowsy plank]

i am still very curious what role evil2 works for evil1 cannot filll

[deft yew]

therefore no context for how lore would be affected

[novel belfry]

are you telling me... that aerialite is now actually really important to the lore?

[glass arch]

yes.

[bright crag]

Wouldn't say that important, but it has lore
And changing it entirely won't be easy

[worldly sparrow]

although we could also put queen bee in between evil 1 and 2

[novel belfry]

so important, that making a different boss enchant it would completely turn over the entire lore?

[worldly sparrow]

but thats putting evil 2 right before skeletron

[bright crag]

Yes

[glass arch]

cei also said somewhere that in the bestiary rewrite almost all of the fucking ORE SLIMES have relevant lore

[bright crag]

The connection between evil-2 and Aerialite is very specific, to the point where they are inseparable

In the current iteration

[golden sonnet]

I understand why it's like that, but the lore is based around existing stuff, so when the existing stuff not changing is reasoned by the lore, it just feels kinda restrictive and circular. Like, feller of evergreens is super redundant now that axe of regrowth is earlier but better and similar themes, but it can't die because lore or something

[bright crag]

Yes, because it will be changed in the future to be important

[glass arch]

lemme guess braelors axe

[bright crag]

And not useless

[novel belfry]

that said tho, tbh my biggest peeve with the lore rework is that slime god just now flees and becomes queen slime

i refuse to believe that

[deft yew]

a statement which causes me pain

tbh

[novel belfry]

it makes sense, but the problem is that queen slime... is not a cool boss

[deft yew]

this

[glass arch]

lynel almost every statement relating to caldev causes you pain this isnt a surprise

[deft yew]

well yeah you pretty much got that right

[golden sonnet]

Agreed, so many things that are lacking and flawed fundamentally are linked to lore and can't be killed now. I fucking hate ore slimes

[novel belfry]

if it was, I'd be happy, but not only is it now just slime god electric boogaloo
and also pretty much ruined the slime god fight by making the slime god just flee immediately after the big slimes die

[bright crag]

Lore isn't necessarily based on existing stuff, exactly as it is
They have to match each other
So when they aren't compatible, you either change the lore, or change the existing stuff

[worldly sparrow]

^ and changing the lore isnt easy

the story's already quite complicated

and dont forget about the 5% number

[deft yew]

i understand that

i am fine with that

except what's that got to do with ore slimes exactly

[glass arch]

ore slimes are apparently eventually being changed to be Not That

[bright crag]

Do consider that Slime God fleeing came from the fact that core phase was not the best

[glass arch]

core phase sucked

[crude geode]

I was gonna say

Wasn’t core phase like

[worldly sparrow]

core phase was ass

[cobalt pewter]

we shoulda just popped the core

[crude geode]

The least interesting part of the fight

[cobalt pewter]

smh

[bright crag]

All ore slime entries have something interesting to tell you
Doesn't mean you need to read them

[worldly sparrow]

bro you were supposed to hit that thing

how the hell

[bright crag]

In fact, pretty much all Bestiary entries are interesting in some capacity, some more than others

Bland entries will be rare, if not unexistent

[north oracle]

^
Cei has done a wonderful job of giving currently obscure and pointless enemies actual reasons to exist

[glass arch]

always remember: boring things can have relevant lore/an important purpose

[wide river]

If something is bland, then no one will read it
It's a fact of life, so you gotta make sure they're interesting

[north oracle]

(And Reb and other lore devs, but I’ve seen a few Cei wrote recently)

[deft yew]

again i completely understand and agree with pretty much everything here

[novel belfry]

like i'm saying, if queen slime was an epic boss, like say the infernum version, I'd be completely fine with them making slime god flee for another fight
but queen slime is a mediocre boss

[glass arch]

catadev privilege smh

[deft yew]

hitman approaching (don't shoot the messenger

[north oracle]

[crude geode]

This feels like dancing around the problem tho

That being fundamentally bad things should be improved functionally (evil 2 being directly after evil 1, the thing with the two axes)

[bright crag]

I can understand that
And true, I hope Queen Slime will at least something godly to her

[small timber]

the solution is clearly to move Queen Slime to preHM and Slime God to HM

[deft yew]

the solution is to stop caring about the fact queen slime exists tbh

[novel belfry]

at least it's better than astralgeldon slime just popping outta nowhere (sorry brothers, but i had to)

[bright crag]

Yes, but consider the cascade of progression turmoil such changes would initiate
Unless you do something very contained, like they've been suggesting (moving Crab and Deer)

[golden sonnet]

That's why it was removed it was actually the dogshit fight

[deft yew]

why was geldon replaced with aureus? i've never heard a thing about it

[small timber]

because geldon was literally a HM king slime, in its previous form

if I have to guess

[glass arch]

i think it was mainly just because geldons fight was pretty much king slime but with lasers

[golden sonnet]

^ fight was very boring

[worldly sparrow]

im gonna get banned for mentioning this

catalyst has a great take on astrageldon

[golden sonnet]

I accidentally summoned it first boss after WoF because I didn't play with wiki first time I played, and won

[glass arch]

why would you get banned for that its a perfectly reasonable take

[crude geode]

I haven’t been banned yet and I basically say calamity sucks 24/7

[small timber]

I mean... the only similarity is literally the name and the fact that it is a slime

[sleek turret]

the fear of getting flamed by someone at any time

[worldly sparrow]

because i mentioned an addon in the suggestion channel!!!

[glass arch]

• at least one catalyst owner is a caldev

[novel belfry]

they straight up turned him into a superboss slime from a parallel timeline

[deft yew]

has fabsol blocked you

[north oracle]

There’s quite a few catalyst devs on cal dev
But yeah, both heart and koolaid are cal devs too

[deft yew]

this is a rhetorical question by any chance

[bright crag]

^

[crude geode]

It feels like you’re hesitant to even do that though

[north oracle]

And catalyst is awesome, just shouldn’t be suggested about

[glass arch]

the simple act of mentioning an addon in sugg disc isnt bad

[wide river]

"Hey please add a pet that drops from Astrageldon Slime-"
-Some suggester probably

[bright crag]

Yes, because I worry moving Deerclops will put Aerialite and Statigel too close, and because I don't think putting Crabulon between evils would help much

[worldly sparrow]

yeah ik

[bright crag]

Though I would be fine with the latter

[deft yew]

infernum bug reports

[north oracle]

They will be smited

[small timber]

why was infernum discord closed again

[golden sonnet]

[north oracle]

Because the mod was discontinued and they didn’t want to moderate it

[worldly sparrow]

crabulon really feels like its the only boss that could be moved between evils 1 and 2 without screwing up any form of progression

[wide river]

It's the worst thing when it's obviously Infernum content and not just bugs caused by Infernum

[crude geode]

Aren’t aerialite and statigel no longer 5 piece armor sets? Why would having them be close be problematic /gen

[glass arch]

because there are gonna be armors for the other classes unlocked at the same point

like the godslayer/silva split

[golden sonnet]

Every time I read a bug report I feel bad for shade

Terraria players read challenge

[wide river]

Same here

[bright crag]

They're still big sets

[crude geode]

Fair enough

Didn’t cal move deerclops’ intended progression to pre skele

[bright crag]

Yeah

[glass arch]

n its drops are STILL bad

[ornate kestrel]

They won't ever be good

[crude geode]

Moving crab might be enough than?

Idk evil 2 is hard to make far away

Broken base and all that

[glass arch]

forgot to respond to this but
a 🔒 is better than nothing

[worldly sparrow]

not only do harpys drop feathers, a key material, but also thats vanilla content

calamity doesn't remove vanilla content

[umbral gazelle]

❗ jumpscare incoming

[wide river]

Boy today's suggestions are an experience

[worldly sparrow]

fr

[tired haven]

summon eye of cthulhu to remove harpies from the game on demand

[worldly sparrow]

oh cool a person who can ❗ the sugg

[wide river]

@ashen warren Calamity doesn't remove vanilla content. Even if it did, your suggestion is worded extremely angrily, and only appears as a rant. As such, it is not very convincing whatsoever.

[ashen warren]

I fuckimg hate harpies

Mb

I deleted it

[worldly sparrow]

good

[hollow shell]

You could try a different suggestion that is less extreme but still helps alleviate the issue

like making Harpies shoot less feathers, or lowering their spawn rate

[ashen warren]

Maybe just don’t have them dive bomb into my face

That’d be nice

[small timber]

harpies is not even that threatening outside of like master mode

their entire purpose is to prevent space exploration before you are somewhat geared

[ashen warren]

Infernum and Death mode

[worldly sparrow]

that would need a complete ai change

[hollow shell]

Decreasing the damage they deal would be very easy to do

A number change

[small timber]

they dont even deal that much damage

[worldly sparrow]

true

[small timber]

they just deal a lot of damage to a 100hp character

[ashen warren]

90 in death is p nice

[worldly sparrow]

the mod isnt balanced around death

[small timber]

^

[hollow shell]

Death is indeed intended to be
difficult
Stuff hurts a lot

[small timber]

if you just have some gear, even like lead armor, and then a weapon, they literally dont do anything

[worldly sparrow]

^ also infernum doesnt matter here

[hollow shell]

and yeah you don't need to be in space that early, you have other options and you can return to it later

[tired haven]

Oh yeah deathmode harpies are pretty notorious for being menaces

[worldly sparrow]

deathmode a lot of things are menaces tbf

[tired haven]

I'd say out of all the deathmode glowups harpies are somewhere on the top

[crude geode]

yeah fr

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

honestly from what I already saw, cat geldon is like, only good on p1 (at least in the context of it being a slime)

the p2 feels like it should be for another boss

and not a slime

[north oracle]

Phase 2 geldon has literally no reason to be a slime except that it’s readding an old slime boss

[glass arch]

still a banger fight

just way too hard for me :hdflr:

id practice now but its almost 1 am and i am tired as fuck

[north oracle]

It haven’t spent terribly long actually trying to learn it, but it’s extremely hard lol

[small timber]

something something either opposite evil island or already planned

[cobalt pewter]

yadda yadda let's delete evil islands instead

[sand marlin]

Counterpart evil biome is accessible right after the other Evil2 boss

Funny mechanic of Hive Tumors/Perforator Cysts only requiring an evil block to spawn on

• you can fish in that counterpart evil biome to get the orb/heart drops whichever you're missing

[cobalt pewter]

at this point what's really the purpose of evil islands

[sand marlin]

You skipped over something

You should properly read

You need the evil island block to spawn the Cysts/Tumors

Well Idk what's gonna be done to the evil island in the future but there needs to be any kind of counterpart evil biome/structure no matter the size or importance

[cobalt pewter]

I was trying to look at chloro extractinator

til that thing lets you swap between demonite and crimtane

[sand marlin]

It is 3 mechs away from the vanilla way of getting counterpart evil biome though

Which is hardmode graveyard dryad

I'd honestly rather use drunk seed for both biomes

[swift wharf]

evil island should die

and I don't think you need to get EVERY item from the other evil

you chose crimson for a reason, if you wanted a corruption item then you should've picked corruption

or you can just make a small world and get everything you need which takes like 10 minutes

[sand marlin]

So what's stopping it from existing?

[fervent orbit]

but wat about players who havent played calamity before and dont know they need a specific mat for an item they didnt know they wanted to try out

[sand marlin]

Besides not needing it?

It's a much more convenient way to access the counterpart evil

[swift wharf]

wdym

[fervent orbit]

youre picking an option which consequences you have no idea what theyre going to be

[sand marlin]

Don't see why that should be made any harder to do in any case

[swift wharf]

and if you want to kill all exclusivity from the game like vanilla is doing

there are better options than an island in the sky

[sand marlin]

I do agree that the evil island is not a good way to do it

But exclusivity should be limited to effort

You do all the work of waiting for a Cyst/Tumor to spawn, fight the boss, get evil seeds from it, spread it further, get a proper fishing spot, fish other things that you want and get more evil grass to summon the counterpart Evil1 boss

I'd say that's good enough effort

[swift wharf]

or you could make another world

[north oracle]

or you could not require the use of more than one world to obtain a few specific items

[fervent orbit]

you shouldnt be forced to make a 2nd world for non joke items (moon lord legs dont count)

[swift wharf]

but it's not forcing

[sand marlin]

Moon Lord Legs are literally op

[swift wharf]

what is wrong with making another world where you can get all tiles from that evil

[sand marlin]

Effigies being worldhop exclusive is fine because in a casual pt you're not likely to be glass cannoning that hard

I like to think worldhopping kinda ruins the experience though

[swift wharf]

and it's just some specific items it's not gonna kill you

[sand marlin]

Well yeah, that's not what I said anyway

[swift wharf]

it's a sandbox making more worlds is completely fine

I'm referring to fluffys message

[sand marlin]

[fervent orbit]

moment

[north oracle]

so true

[swift wharf]

donor item

• the average player doesn't need to get every single weapon in the game

in the same playthrough

[sand marlin]

Looks fine to me you already have definitive vanilla access to cursed flame if you happen to choose crimson

[fervent orbit]

ok but they still shouldnt be locked out of a weapon they didnt it existed

[swift wharf]

they can just

use the other 10 weapons in that tier

[fervent orbit]

"just use another weapon 5head"

[north oracle]

see now we have some extremely useful weapons that players are locked out of due to not having access to cursed flames

[sand marlin]

PHPR is so nice fr

[fervent orbit]

entire line of guns just locked

💀

[north oracle]

lmao, yeah

[swift wharf]

Add a new one

I jest

[sand marlin]

In any case you're not locked out of cursed flame so it's fine

[swift wharf]

This is a really weird hill I'm dying on for a problem that always had a solution

[north oracle]

that is very true

[swift wharf]

Just go back in time and kill graveyard recipes and all that 1.4 jazz

ez

[sand marlin]

Or I can do something more meaningful and towards good by going back in time

Why just spend it on a terraria update

[swift wharf]

My goals are beyond your understanding

[fervent orbit]

ye why on a terraria update and not convincing red that terraria 2 would be way more beneficial for the future of terraria and its modding scene

[swift wharf]

Stop terraria from existing all together

[fervent orbit]

wtf no

[swift wharf]

Yuh uh

[sand marlin]

Bro's about to actually change people's lives

[swift wharf]

I'm saving over 44.5 million people

[cobalt pewter]

people wanting everything to exist in a single world when the game facilitates making multiple worlds from the get go is insane

and on a related topic, does Bestiary account for both evils

[swift wharf]

IDK

[swift wharf]

So true so real

[halcyon zealot]

ye

that extends to the universal pylon

[cobalt pewter]

figured as much

[hollow shell]

@cobalt heath Bobbit Hook comes after Lunar.

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Hooks

post-Polterghast

You can still ask for more hooks but right now your sugg says that Lunar is the final one which is incorrect

[crude geode]

Also post ml hooks are a don’t

Oh wait it isn’t in frequently sugg’d

Am I hallucinating

[cobalt heath]

woops, mb

but even that leaves some speed to be desired. Ig ill just use the teleporting one

[stable kiln]

you want more speed than bobbit hook?

damn gonna be going at unimaginable speeds

[high nest]

ludicrous speed

[drowsy plank]

didnt we move alt evil biome seeds sold by the dryad to preHM since steampunker sells alt evil solution now

maybe i am just misremembering idk

[errant bobcat]

Personally I like anti grav hook or bobbit hook as end game hook

If I don’t get either I go with lunar static or dissonance

[eager bobcat]

Rod of discord but it's a hook

Instant transmission

[golden sonnet]

My hook progression is
Diamond hook --> hook of dissonance --> Bobbitt hook

dissonance is pretty broken

[eager bobcat]

True

[bright crag]

It will
Voted on that, a good while ago

The idea is that we'll make artificial evil more accessible
By (for example) removing the HM requirement for buying the opposite evil seeds

And, in terms of weapons, we'll make it so that each evil has same amount of options, but different ones

For example, Ranged getting a flamethrower from Hive Mind, and a gun from Perforators

So, if you're Crimson but you really want Shadethrower, you're encouraged to make an artificial evil
With the changes, you'd be able to make it as big as you'd like

[cobalt pewter]

dissonance trades mobility for near instant displacement

I don't really like it if I want to actually fight bosses but when I'm screwing around in my game I just use it for funnies

[cobalt pewter]

[cobalt heath]

you don't know how fast I am

I am fast as fuck boiiii

[stable kiln]

doesnt matter much

[halcyon zealot]

that would be a cool idea
maybe an item crafted out of rod & dissonance, a hook that teleports you to blocks/platforms immediately

[cobalt heath]

I think there is a mod for that

I need that tho

[eager bobcat]

Has to be completely broken

Especially if it doesn't incur chaos state

[halcyon zealot]

yep

[eager bobcat]

"Balanced" version:
Exo Hook
Hook of dissonance + Bobbit Hook + miracle matter

Combined functionality of Bobbit Hook and hook of dissonance

[worldly sparrow]

oh man

ever heard of the calval lightning hook?

you'd love that

cuz that's exactly what you're describing

[eager bobcat]

Lmao

Neat

[novel belfry]

I really love the hook of dissonance, its so cool

[oblique geyser]

how do you combine the functionality

[eager bobcat]

Fast, long, rapid fire, teleports you to point of contact

[cold dragon]

Discord hook

[north oracle]

@cold dragon you can't suggest to add specific items, that's one of the suggestion don'ts

[cold dragon]

Reference to queen slimes hook

[north oracle]

#suggestions-posting message
your suggestion to add a specific item to the game

anyway @drowsy plank it's formatted incorrectly anyway but can this be deleted or flagged?

[swift wharf]

i superreacted it omfg

[north oracle]

thanks eclips

[wide river]

The return of the super exclaim!

[swift wharf]

Anyways let me indulge you

[crude geode]

Super Invalid

[swift wharf]

@cold dragon why that functionality exactly

unless I'm seeing zebras

[cold dragon]

Am i allowed to type here

[swift wharf]

in this channel yes

[cold dragon]

Oh ok

[swift wharf]

why the weird one shot mechanic

[crude geode]

Just why in general

[dense ferry]

@cold dragon congratulations

You somehow managed to fool almost everyone

But I'm not stupid

[cold dragon]

I wasnt trying to fool anyone

[dense ferry]

If you ever make a post like that, I'm banning you

We do not tolerate homophobia

[cold dragon]

Oh ok

[swift wharf]

So I am not seeing zebras then

[cold dragon]

Yes

[north oracle]

i just saw SIS, i didn't read into it

[swift wharf]

Lowkey homophobia hidden in goofy suggestion

[undone holly]

really?

wow

[odd geyser]

Wait what

I remember it talked about a black and white weapon that oneshots stuff

Didn't read into it properly

[cold dragon]

Yeah i said it as a joke i apologized

[swift wharf]

Just don't do it again 👍

[cold dragon]

Ok 👌🏻

I will stop

[odd geyser]

Honestly saying bad stuff and then defending yourself by saying "issajoke" ain't always great, especially if it's about something like this, thought I'd pass that, atleast this time

[crude geode]

I was waiting for them to explain themselves because I was expecting some homophobic shit

[grave zinc]

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the recipes for Perforator and Hive Mind drops]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[glass arch]

a 🔒 is better than no reaction

[swift wharf]

Something malicious is brewing...

[thorn dock]

#suggestions-voting message

Good suggestion^_^

I wonder if it ever makes a viable subclass.

Flesh Totem is rather needed in such threshold builds right?

[small timber]

not really, just have to not play master

basically you have high DR and regen, you can take a lot of hits over the time but you can never take a lot of hits in a short time

which is why necklace of vexation working with it is so important: because you will need a damage reward for the build for the build to function

[thorn dock]

All the dr/ regen can easily wreck your killtimes.. indeed

[small timber]

just the frozen shield alone giving 15% DR is already extremely good, because even The Sponge give 10% DR only (not counting the heal effect)

currently the only other reward for regenator is gladiator's locket, 10% damage 10% movement speed which is not good enough; or OD's scale which is near end game

[thorn dock]

Both regenator and vexation are mid hardmode. Such a shame they dont fit

Are OD scales even viable? Most of the time they will give 12% dmg and 6% crit in such build

[small timber]

not really, it is not good enough
only way it will be good enough is if you inflict yourself with damaging debuff, which can only be done on mage with chaos stone

ok, nearly 100% sure this is planned in some way with the mana rework, but I figure since I don't have a suggestion right now my as well push it to happen

[sand marlin]

Oh god

Would Bloodflare Core work well in this considering you prioritize not taking consecutive hits

Mayb overkill...

[small timber]

probably overkill yeah, and the purpose of regenator build is basically accessory efficiency not necessarily build effectiveness

basically you get more stats from single accessory that have 50% HP bonus (like frozen shield), but overall you are not necessarily as tanky as a full hp tank build or deal as much damage as a glass cannon, just that you can get both and being decent at both
(which again is why necklace of vexation is so important, because that is another very high damage boosting accessory that you can stack and use with emblem)

[grave zinc]

@sleek turret - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Vernal Soil Blend With All Tiles]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Most Hardmode Yoyos More Agile and Have Infinite Duration]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent Starting Tools/Starting Bag Tools From Having Negative Modifiers]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[sleek turret]

yipp ee

[lucid flare]

yaho

[drowsy plank]

woo

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/tbh-creature-gif-25819352

[wide river]

Yippe

[small timber]

mfw can no longer start the game in destiny mode

[deft yew]

[bright crag]

Reception seems great so far

[wide river]

@drowsy plank Hey could you come do something about this suggestion

[crude geode]

Inb4 “it’s not a joke suggestion”

[wide river]

So true

[drowsy plank]

@lost tusk no joke suggestions, and especially not ones like that. this is a verbal warning for offensive behavior, so if you do anything like this again you could be warned or muted.

[limber zealot]

does this even matter that much

[small timber]

people like to do class only playthrough, it does matter

since getting broken weapon on the class you want to play is kind of shit (yeah class playthrough is whatever, but it is alos the starter bag)

[limber zealot]

well i dont see y i cant craft another squirrel staff after chopping down 1 tree tbh

[north oracle]

it doesn't matter much, but it helps

[limber zealot]

or get a wand of sparking instead

[small timber]

because not everyone is playing summoner

and not everyone is going for wand of sparking when they have an amethyst staff

[limber zealot]

its another option that is easily obtainable

[small timber]

but most importantly it is just the starter bag, it is something that do not matter much other than a QOL

[limber zealot]

ye tru

[sand marlin]

Starter bag is meant to get you started, not stumped

[limber zealot]

(take my original message as sarcasm)

[cobalt pewter]

why not remove modifiers on stuff from starter bag

[small timber]

starter bag should give player 10 coal in gfb and nothing else

[cobalt pewter]

TRUE

[limber zealot]

(cause fr people also play with mods that also add easily-craftable class-specific starter bag

[small timber]

and have a 0.01% of summoning DOG

[sand marlin]

Cal should make something to craft with coal in gfb for funny

[limber zealot]

and drop a dynamite

[cobalt pewter]

coal crafts into coaler coal

still does nothing, but it's more coaler

[limber zealot]

or a bouncing boulder

[sand marlin]

^

[limber zealot]

(sometimes i just love having deranged amethyst staff and legendary copper hammer while playing mhage tho)

[gusty burrow]

shotgunk 🔥

[cobalt pewter]

I think the stronger reasoning here would just be that "Shotgunk rolls better off the tongue than Gunk Shot"

making sense outta a name tends to be a hit or miss

but making it sound nicer is a strong argument imo

[scenic pine]

There

Hopefully you can read it without having a stroke

[south flint]

i think gunk shot as a name is a reference to something but i could be wrong

[scenic pine]

It is

Fuck

[small timber]

it is a pokemon move, somehow

[scenic pine]

Shotgunk sounds much better

[small timber]

Gunk shotgun for maximum effectiveness at pissing people off

[scenic pine]

Ok im making a game, you can name trees, im calling my first tree because mgrs main character is named raiden

[cobalt pewter]

honestly I'd rather get rid of the reference

it's such a weak reference anyways

[scenic pine]

Exactly

[cobalt pewter]

Gunk Shot still behaves like a normal ass shotgun

[scenic pine]

Doesn't make sense

But im wondering if my suggestion is readable

Because sometimes make stuff unreadable because of my word choice and repetitiveness etc

[hollow shell]

Gunk Shot is a profoundly boring weapon, function-wise

Name could be a play on "gun shot" actually

but, considering it actually is a shotgun

Shotgunk works

[scenic pine]

That and it rolls of the tongue better

[hollow shell]

hmm

Reasoning could be stronger on this one but

there is indeed a weird bow bias in terms of accessories

[elfin field]

i just think it would make some of the less used weapons and stuff could be more viable and could spice up the gameplay trough the playtrough

[cobalt pewter]

I think the last point could be removed because it sounds like subclass runs should be encouraged

but overall I'd agree with the idea

[cobalt pewter]

bow and gun are the most common ranged weapons after all

[elfin field]

yeep

[cobalt heath]

gun and rocked are odd to play cus you don't really get anything before the elemental quiver

[swift wharf]

elemental quiver is weird

[cobalt heath]

though imo they should just mesh the accessories together like the other classes

[swift wharf]

strange 20% chance to not consume ammo + 20% chance to not consume arrows

[cobalt heath]

no rockets

[swift wharf]

quivers increasing bullet damage would be weird innit

[weary bane]

how long until elemental magazine

[swift wharf]

also yoyo accs lmao

don't you mean clips

[cobalt heath]

yeah but thats the only one

[swift wharf]

[elfin field]

lol

[weary bane]

no i dont watch clips

[elfin field]

i really dont care how but it would be amazing to see rocket launchers getting some love

[weary bane]

having an exo rocket launcher as a 3rd drop from twins would be cool

[swift wharf]

accessory that makes rockets radioactive when...

[elfin field]

true

[swift wharf]

wait I think thorium has/had that

[fervent orbit]

when plague nuke, it is literally an iconic line from a boss

[cobalt heath]

I need more repeaters while at it

but yeah rocket doesn't get the love it deserves

[weary bane]

the hive

[fervent orbit]

but but

thats one weapon

[small timber]

you know, there is this 2 things about subclass accessory, specifically magic quiver:

1. it is added by vanilla, not calamity (the Elemental Quiver which is added by Calamity is not subclass specific), and
2. turns out these subclass accessories are boring

quiver is literally just a bow stat boost, literally archer potion and nothing else

[cobalt heath]

lowkey I want to make a sugg for giving launchers some love

[small timber]

wow I sure would love my subclass specific rocket only ranger emblem, it will open up so many new options

[cobalt heath]

and remove some bows and guns while at it cus WEAPON BLOAT

[elfin field]

it dosent have to be anything big just minor ajustments

[small timber]

said minor adjustment often or not is just stats

[elfin field]

also i dont think removing weapons is a good idea

[small timber]

ok you mean the weapons

[elfin field]

??

[cobalt heath]

it in some cases is

like w ranger cus weapon bloat is mad annoying

[elfin field]

i guess

[small timber]

but yeah tldr: ranger is by far, the class that require the least amount of subclass accessories, for the simple reason that in some sense all ranger weapons are identical

they are guns/bows that shoot ammo, bow have the benefit of having low projectile velocity/range so a subclass accessory make sense, but as for other subclasses they are near the same weapon except for what ammo they use

and yes, ranger's "subclass accessory" basically already exist in the form of different ammos

[ripe owl]

Wait isn't this a Don't?

[cobalt heath]

rover was fine w it

[elfin field]

but is still dont think just because rockert launchers got special ammo that they shouldt get anything and should be looked down upon. they added 3 types of weapons and i think adding something to make it better to play every aspect of the class. not every weapon is good but some accessories work better with some weapons than others and rocket launchers dont have much and a accesory which gives minor damage upgrade would still make it better than it already is

[elfin field]

???

[cobalt heath]

subclass specific suggestion

[fervent orbit]

making stuff for the specific purpose of catering to a subclass

[small timber]

ranger don't have much subclass accessory but they have insane ranger all-subclass accessory which is completely ignored by the suggestion

recon scope, deadshot brooch, or even daawnlight spirit origin are weapon dependent insane accessory

[elfin field]

it said for a certain point to make it better my point is really at any point in the game

[small timber]

rocket launcher don't have much doesn't matter because ranger as a whole have a lot

[cobalt heath]

some should be removed tho

[sand marlin]

Gunk Shot could use a special convert ngl

It'd better fit it and make it more interesting

[elfin field]

that is true but the point still remains that there could be made something cool/good out of the class

[sand marlin]

The reason there are bow accessories of any sort is because bows aren't convenient by themselves

[hollow shell]

Make it a charge weapon where you fill up a slimey bubble that then pops into a burst of bullets
Pumpler x Xenopopper

[sand marlin]

Oh my god is that

That's literally a pokemon ranger move

Water type

[small timber]

I can say they can make a cool/good idea out of a shortsword accessory that specifically only function with true melee shivs, but that statement doesn't mean anything

[sand marlin]

Minus the bullet explosion obv.

[tired haven]

I have to say that while a bit more variety to ranger accessories would be somewhat welcome, mage needs that tenfold

[cobalt heath]

poor mage

[small timber]

everything can be cool if you ultimately decide it is something you want to do, suggestion for the most part is based on necessity because otherwise you can say "it would be cool if you add this 10000 different ideas I have"