suggestions-discussion

[marble moat]

as long as we get rid of the stupid ass V i'm down

only question is how will it be determined which biome will act as the catalyst for each strip

i guess another one is how will player-made biomes work

[hollow shell]

I'm assuming people already mentioned that the Calamity acc sugg is really really pointless considering it's at the very end of the game

If it was something that dropped from CalClone so smack dab in the middle of the playthrough, then maybe it could be worth it yes
Still plenty of mining and exploring to do

[small timber]

I was arguing whether it should be pre-boss or like, post-KS for an effect like this

and then I just realise it is referring to the "Calamity" accessory

[cobalt pewter]

hence why I asked them to put quotes around the acc name

but yeah the acc is very late

while it's a minor thing that could've easily been added, it's kinda pointless at that progression

[sand umbra]

imagine if a weaker variant dropped from Clone

[cobalt pewter]

wtf thomas appearance

anyways something that precedes Calamity from clone (or whatever her name is now) could be

[swift wharf]

the void of calamity in question

[cobalt pewter]

void of calamity is

is

(what is that)

[golden sonnet]

I love worse class emblem!

[dense ferry]

Based

[drowsy plank]

wdym those brimstone fireballs totally help

[gaunt tiger]

💀

[swift wharf]

I LOVE [spawns projectile from the sky]

[gaunt tiger]

nnOOOOOO my roomba

[small timber]

how often are recipe added for critters

beside like, truffle worm? or used to

[gaunt tiger]

dunno

but androombas can apparently be used to cleanse the world with solutions, so I think this is a unique situation

[sand umbra]

me jumpscare

boo ❗

[bright crag]

I do think it would undermine the (intended) rarity of it

Better to just
Make them spawn slightly more often, than to make them appear on demand through crafting

[sleek turret]

how would it undermine a rarity for a vanity item

[bright crag]

^

And it's intended as a rare critter that you have to catch before it explodes

Being hard to get is 100% intentional

[sleek turret]

m

[cobalt pewter]

!!!!

[ashen warren]

How rare are androombas I’ve never seen one lol

[gaunt tiger]

I think them being hard to get undermines their usefulness

I literally learned they exist today, and it was because I was looking at the enemy list on the wiki

idk, it would be nice to not rely on "pylons cleanse evils" overmuch

[bright crag]

I understand
Well, maybe we can boost their spawns, or reduce the speed at which they flee

I think that would be a more satisfactory fix than just making it craftable and remove this nice catching mechanic

[tough hedge]

eh it would be a neat detail, plus qol for say attempting the scary big glowy snake from the abyss, or maybe makeing builds that look better in the dark or something. Plus i just love small details like that

[hollow idol]

they arent even good at cleaning, they cant jump or climb

did consider makin em mass produceable with t2 codebreaker unlocked

[tough hedge]

also, future fights may unlock more explore thing, maybe idk im not a dev idk the secrets of the future

[worldly sparrow]

but the future bosses were cancelled?

[hybrid steeple]

so true

[tough hedge]

o... i never heard this...

neat

[swift wharf]

using the glow against yharim (his true weakness)

[worldly sparrow]

so true (he cant fight well when blinded)

[swift wharf]

yharim after i pull out the 100% lighthack

[worldly sparrow]

yharim vs ultrabright torch

[golden sonnet]

Dance of light would be miserable against the poor man

it even makes me blind

[worldly sparrow]

uni splitter's final beam

it blinds the screen man

oh wait we just found it

thats the reason yharim could never kill the empress of light

she was just too b r i g h t

[bright crag]

The group of bosses known as "future bosses" (Ancient Doomsayer, Devourer of Universes, Dragon God, Yharon) have been long gone
There are upcoming bosses for Calamity, post-SCal/Draedon though

[worldly sparrow]

yeah it was a joke

[swift wharf]

Grand Yharon

[tough hedge]

you made me think there would be no more bosses because i forgot future bosses were a thing and i dont pay attention to news

how dare

[crude geode]

“Add a recipe for a critter”

There’s quite a number of solutions that don’t involve making a living creature craftable (idgaf about truffle worm it’s such a baffling solution)

[marble moat]

frog recipe: frog (1x)

[crude geode]

Such as the previously mentioned increased spawn rate or making them easier to catch

[drowsy plank]

tbf truffle at least makes sense

[hybrid steeple]

i mean

its not a living creature

[drowsy plank]

since truffle worms are basically just worms that have been consumed by the mushroom biome

also true

[fervent orbit]

just dye a worm blue, duke wont be able to tell

[drowsy plank]

it is a robot and all

[fervent orbit]

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[crude geode]

You’re about to not be a living creature

[fervent orbit]

just require androomba recipe to catch one first

problem solved

[crude geode]

Crafting is still the laziest solution and one that is abundantly overused in this damn mod

[sand umbra]

me comin' in here for the 5,439th time to explain that craftin' is not the only solution to every problem (it never works)

[drowsy plank]

there is so many issue with this

@restive kraken There's nothing wrong with this suggestion in concept but your reasoning manages to violate nearly every rule. Calamity does not balance around other mods, so the AlchNPC mention should just be thrown out, the "Sentinels" no longer exist, they're just mildly related distortion bosses now, and the use of a subclass like True Melee as reasoning is also not allowed. Why not just focus on the fact that picking up the individual drops from them is annoying rather than them all spawning in one place, and that the low drop rates on the items themselves make them unlikely to even be known to exist by players, and even moreso that they'd even be used?

I'm still hung up on the Devourer and Providence comparison too because it just adds

literally nothing to your argument

[restive kraken]

am i allowed to edit the suggestion where it is now, or should i resubmit it?

[drowsy plank]

Devourer has always been spawnable without beating Signus, Weaver, and Ceaseless, even back when they were IN HIS FIGHT, and Providence and DoG are at about equal levels of importance considering you need both of them to even get Auric

[drowsy plank]

just edit the existing one and i can remove the hold

[restive kraken]

okey

[hollow shell]

I was wondering why a sugg with such an extensive looking reason, and didn't seem to violate any Don'ts, had an ❗

but then I read the reasoning and Yeah..

AlchLite moment

[restive kraken]

almost done fixing it up lol

apologies for the violations

[worldly sparrow]

just had a thought

why is the rune of kos used to summon distortion-related beings?

it doesn't feel like the rune of kos has anything to do with the distortion itself

[hollow shell]

And also the sugg didn't touch on what I would consider the primary reason for them not having a bag
That being how their drops work, dropping from each boss individually

And it focuses a bit too much on bags being a symbol of importance

[glass arch]

the summons havent been reworked yet

[hollow shell]

it's aight

[worldly sparrow]

interesting

never said that in the future content doc so i assumed that wouldn't happen

[glass arch]

rune of kos has been slated to die for a while iirc

[worldly sparrow]

although to be fair not everything is worth putting into that doc

[restive kraken]

am i allowed to keep this line in

[worldly sparrow]

iirc there were plans to remove/replace storm weaver that never caught steam

[drowsy plank]

ye i think that's valid

[hollow shell]

That's a funny line I'd say keep it

[restive kraken]

ok yeye making sure

its at the very end in a seperate sentence lol

i mean line

[drowsy plank]

honestly one of the stronger points of the whole thing and yeah understandable but ur cool dw

[restive kraken]

okay boutte post it

tyty

[golden tulip]

what does this mean?

[restive kraken]

ok posted!

[wide river]

What
No
That was mere conjecture on my part, it never was intended to be plans for anything

[restive kraken]

the guards should be harder than rolling the drops

[worldly sparrow]

ok so i didnt recall correctly

[restive kraken]

@drowsy plank sorry to bother, but if you want you can have a look, same for you @hollow shell

it should be okay now

should...

[drowsy plank]

looks fine to me yeah

[hollow shell]

Much better sugg yeah
Thank you for mentioning the drop split and multiplayer

[drowsy plank]

the only thing i noticed is the reasoning at the end seems to imply the guardians drop weapons and not utility items, which is funny but nbd

and yeah the multi thing is a huge point

i like the idea of boss minions dropping stuff in concept, like how calclone's brothers do but... in practice this style of drop is just SUPER annoying

[restive kraken]

fr

alright well thank you for the feedback yall

i will return back to whatever the fuck i was doing

[bright crag]

Yeah, definitely

Rune of Kos doesn't make much sense currently, it will probably be altered in some way in the future

Ideally, we'd give each Sentinel an unique way of being spawned

I'm already aware of potential spawning methods for 2 of them

Boss spawning methods in general need a revamp, there are some cool ones but some are just really lame

"Ah yes, let me summon the Devourer of Gods by holding this toy replica of his head in the air"

[novel belfry]

Actually, have it do a cool animation
it's still a normal summon item, but you basically use the thing like a mini devourer by cutting a hole in space-time, and DoG just comes out of said hole

[bright crag]

Eh, it's better to add a cool animation and make it not "toy DoG head"

It can be much more creative and suiting than that

[novel belfry]

i just dont want another altar, to be honest

[bright crag]

An altar wouldn't really make sense for DoG

[novel belfry]

quick question, i know theres interest in making a DoG dimension, but whats the gist of it

[small timber]

what if DOG summon is just you attempting to enter distortion but instead DOG come out and ambush you

like you are literally trying to open a dimension gate or something

[bright crag]

Oh you will likely actually enter Distortion before the DoG fight
Through CV

[small timber]

so CV is still connected to DOG?

[bright crag]

CV is a stable portal to the Distortion, sealed away in the Dungeon by the dragon cult

The Sentinels are all connected to the Distortion

[small timber]

in that case then dungeon probably will have to have an indestructible area yeah

[novel belfry]

or have the Cosmic Worm cut a hole there for you

[bright crag]

Not necessarily, we don't plan on making the portal static afaik

[novel belfry]

[bright crag]

A player creation successfully entering the Distortion isn't a good idea imo

It's a power best reserved for Distortion creatures

[novel belfry]

you do make it with materials from distortion related creatures

[bright crag]

Ehh
That's still pushing it

[novel belfry]

just don't actually make it a worm, I was being a little unserious

[bright crag]

I think it's cooler to have a beacon or dimensional disruptor, capable of catching DoG's attention

Not something to access the Distortion, but to lure DoG

[bright crag]

I don't think there's much fleshed out and consolidated about the Distortion, but it's DoG's home dimension

But an inspiration that's always brought up is Pokemón's Distortion World

Though of course, it will be way less empty
It'll be an actual dimension to fully explore, probably with different biomes and contents
The post-DoG materials will be moved there, mainly Cosmilite

[wide river]

I have to assume there'll be some sort of ecosystem, since some stuff seems to be able to live there
As for what that ecosystem will contain, we shall see

[bright crag]

Yeah, it will
As it was commented before, it will be like a whale carcass - in the sense that it's a thriving ecosystem, born from life-supporting resources reaching an otherwise inhospitable environment

Considering the proportion of Cal devs that have become Rain World nerds, actually designing it as a viable environment is definitely possible if not very likely

[worldly sparrow]

honestly im so hyped for distortion update

a cooler dog fight, extra lore, a subworld, and an ecosystem?

shame it wont come for the next 2 years at least

[small timber]

@silver mulch if it is an Infernum problem you will have to ask Infernum to fix it

it is literally a separate mod that Calamity dev have no access to

[silver mulch]

Yeah, that's fair.

[worldly sparrow]

^ and contacting the infernum devs is very hard nowadays

considering their discord is basically shut down

[small timber]

they still do maintenance on the mod so if this goes to bug report they will probably fix it

as in, bug report on their side not here

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure Infernum's Abyss isn't supposed to have the chests regardless, it's nothing to do with generation
That's why there's a whole pin in #calamity-addon-talk about how to get the chest loot

[silver mulch]

Well, at least it's not as bad as redemption, the mod has actually broken features.

[north oracle]

this isn't even an issue lmao

it intentionally doesn't have chests

[wide river]

^
(I just said that but I digress)

[north oracle]

you think i backread this channel

[silver mulch]

I can't find the pinned message because I'm relatively new to discord. Could one of you just tell me?

[wide river]

Here you go
#calamity-addon-talk message

[silver mulch]

Ah, I was looking for the archerfish.

[small timber]

if it is intended then probably best to delete the suggestion yeah

[bright crag]

Yes, it is intended
Infernum Abyss has no chests, all items are obtained differently

[ripe owl]

@ashen warren the suggestion itself is somewhat fine, the others will say for sure, it's just that the formatting is wring

[ashen warren]

How should I format it

[swift wharf]

Check the pins

[hollow shell]

You need to have a least one line break in your suggestion (shift+enter)

The line at the top will be your sugg's title
the rest will be your elaboration/reasoning

Look at this sugg for reference

This is all so the bot can format it once it reaches #suggestions-voting and the dev server
becoming something like this

[swift wharf]

having the other latest suggestion being very well formatted causes confusion

[marble moat]

how difficult would it be to have boss ai randomly change targets in multiplayer

[drowsy plank]

might as well do that already considering i have no idea how targeting works

like im pretty sure who it's targetting is already pretty random beyond proximity and aggro modifiers lmao

[hollow shell]

It's been proposed before but it'd be really nice if there was a definitive visual indicator of which player a boss is targeting
A little symbol above the chosen player's head
so that players can understand the targeting mechanics a lot better, without having to extrapolate based on their behavior

Dunno how easy that'd be to do or if it's been done already

[drowsy plank]

oh ofc but that doesnt seem to be what they're asking

i know a friend who already added such a thing to their own mod

so it is definetly possible

[sand marlin]

Better Boss Health Bar shows who the boss is aggroed to by the bar, indicated with a name

[drowsy plank]

oh right and that

[sand marlin]

Given it uses the vanilla bar but makes it better byeah

[drowsy plank]

so it's definetly possible to extract who a boss is targetting

[hollow shell]

Alright yeah I thought I saw something like that before

Cool

[drowsy plank]

something like the marked for death status from tf2 to indicate who a boss is targeting for both the one being targeted and the other players would be very nice

(i dont know why it is an emoji i couldnt find any other good pics of it)

[fervent orbit]

i hate how aggro works in terraria its so bad

[grim tusk]

I suppose this suggestion is similar to the resprite sugg dont

[marble moat]

does better boss healthbar work with other healthbar styles

since that looks cool but also i'd like to keep using the infernum one

[grim tusk]

No

[marble moat]

oh yeah its pretty random its just it seems that when i'm playing multiplayer the boss kinda just beelines for whoever summoned it until they die

which could kinda lead to cheese as one person kites it as everyone else just hits it

maybe thats something to do with infernum, iirc when we fought king slime the different parts of the boss focused different players

but hm

[drowsy plank]

yeah i actually meant to bring that up lol

[drowsy plank]

you just haven't fought bosses at 900% HP

[marble moat]

i mean there's only 3 of us so the hp isnt that bad

[tired haven]

The opposite could be also true, if the boss is switching the aggro constantly it gives too much time for everyone to recover

[marble moat]

mmm

[tired haven]

singleplayer bosses against multiple targets just are bound to be at a disadvantage

that said, yeah, aggro being overly fixated on one target and obscure is not very fun

[marble moat]

the system I'd do is having aggro breakpoints maybe, like every 20% hp or so the boss checks an area around it for players and swaps aggro to one of them that isn't currently targeted

that seems viable

since it targets close players

[hollow shell]

There ya go, proper suggestion now

Looks good

[ashen warren]

I properly formatted my suggestion, apologies for any delays

[golden tulip]

i agree

[worldly sparrow]

most projectiles arent really outlined as much as they contrast with the background

i feel like making the projectile stand out from the background would be the right play here since it already has an outline, just not a good one

[hollow shell]

Perhaps it would be a little more noticeable if you were not using the Vortex pillar filter

[worldly sparrow]

^ actually yeah, it stands out just fine when using the normal background

if u wanna use a pillar background that bad then use solar, it'll stand out best there

[toxic basalt]

and you think doing him at night would be better?

[drowsy plank]

it is

[worldly sparrow]

yeah it is

[drowsy plank]

i almost want to flag this because of how laughable it is

[worldly sparrow]

sure do it

[drowsy plank]

like idk dude maybe turn off the item who's entire purpose is to add a giant visual filter over your fight maybe that's just me tho

[toxic basalt]

there

it's gone

[toxic basalt]

all I wanted to do was to give the fight some flare

really shouldn't be the case that it gives me a disadvantage

[glass arch]

its a completely optional effect
thus, it shouldnt be balanced around

[drowsy plank]

also what jacob said

this is like
if we balanced... idk provi projectiles if you had solar pillar on, or polter if you had stardust pillar on

this is such a rare situation that would literally never come up, that there's practically no reason to design around it

[toxic basalt]

Providence has her own bg filter, and Polter's projectiles can still be seen very well with BG filters on

[drowsy plank]

i will admit, i literally cannot see the spike balls at all on your screen, but this is because you are literally using a shader that will make them harder to see

[toxic basalt]

The post is gone, I turned off the vortex pillar effect

[worldly sparrow]

good for you

[worldly sparrow]

^
instead when it comes to this, they mostly balance around the biome day and night backgrounds

both of which the projectile is pretty visible in this case

[toxic basalt]

alright I get it

[drowsy plank]

behold
calclone with blood and void monoliths turned on because i didnt feel like spawning scal but it still makes my point regardless

[toxic basalt]

alright I get it

[swift wharf]

I was like

(from seeing the deleted log)

that's a reasonable suggestion wdym

then I saw the vortex monolith

byeah imo all boss projectiles, or at least most of them, should have an outline tbh

otherwise you kind of force the player to do the boss during n time or with omniscience

[worldly sparrow]

they already do, it's just that the outlines cant stand out enough or else thats not like terraria's art style

[swift wharf]

what

fuck "terraria art style"

making boss fights more enjoyable and fair>>>>>>>>>>

queen bee has pretty blatant stinger outlines

[worldly sparrow]

a lot of small projectiles do

this is the flying knife texture

[swift wharf]

so why not give them to a lot of other projectiles

• it looks pretty 💅

[drowsy plank]

tbf i think the glowmask on duke's is more than enough, i think it's more that using vortex mono broke it

[worldly sparrow]

it applies to larger projectiles

[drowsy plank]

since it's very visible, even at night

[worldly sparrow]

(all of these are ripped straight from the game)

[swift wharf]

huh

[worldly sparrow]

dont you see the outline?

or do i have to remove it in order for you to see it

[swift wharf]

I mean I do see the sprite outline

but that is not what i mean

[sleek turret]

ok but aren't those like

[swift wharf]

I mean adding a separate outline to the projectiles

[sleek turret]

weapon proj sprites

[swift wharf]

i think provi uses a daybreak somewhere

idk about that shark tho

wait in the context they ARE weapon projectiles

and i'm talking about BOSS projectiles

[sleek turret]

the shark is from sharknado staff or some shit that nobody uses because it sucks

[swift wharf]

moment

[worldly sparrow]

no its from the actual thing

(white bg)

[sleek turret]

aren't they bigger

aren't sharks from duke's sharknados bigger

[swift wharf]

they're completely different

[worldly sparrow]

look idk i couldnt find the proj id for a bigger one

[swift wharf]

they're blue

mfw

[worldly sparrow]

quite an obvious outline

[swift wharf]

you don't get what i mean

i mean adding like

a glowing outline behind the sprite

so you can ALWAYS see the projectile

[sleek turret]

a glowing outline that contrasts with the bg

[worldly sparrow]

this is what you're describing basically

here lemme double the size for easier viewing

[swift wharf]

Yes

[sleek turret]

i mean if the background is black you wouldn't need to use an outline for a proj that alredy contrasts with it

tbf a lot of enemy projs in terraria don't blend with the bg exactly

[worldly sparrow]

it really depends on the bg

[sleek turret]

ye

so i think scal/clone projs don't really need to have an outline except for scal's skulls

those suck because they kinda blend

[frosty trellis]

The outlines are fine for the most part

The skulls are kinda annoying but that's about it

Nothing about SCal really outside of the new gigablast spreads during brothers is something that is unfair or not easily seen

[toxic basalt]

what about this scenario then? I pretty much cannot focus on them as there's so much more I need to focus on: Sharkrons, Old Duke himself, the gore he now vomits

they're just specs

a lot of other times they just get in the way when I need to dash out of things

[drowsy plank]

i mean i saw it pretty clearly
unless ur just complaining about them existing, in which case. idk i dont love small projectiles in cal either but would you rather they be bigger or something lol

[novel belfry]

id rather they die

[worldly sparrow]

^ same

also this scenario is a matter of focus

focus is a matter of skill

[frosty trellis]

(Took me a few times rewatching to see them tbh)

I think the little projectiles like that have way to long of a lifespan and just is projectile spammy in a sense, while being very small and hard to see in general, daytime, night or blood moons, because they don't really stand out and can mesh with the background of the sulf sea biome as well tbf

• the balls breaking into a ton of those small projectiles on a tier with a lot of projectile spammy weapons + wanting homing for OD in general makes it just really, really etch

[gaunt tiger]

what killed you?

[frosty trellis]

One of the small projectiles from the teeth balls

[gaunt tiger]

no shot lmfao

[worldly sparrow]

this in particular is part of the reason why almost nobody likes fighting OD

[gaunt tiger]

if dying to that is a lack of skill I need to get myself a spot in a retirement home gotdam

[small timber]

I think in this case it is less "this projectile have no outline" issue but more "this projectile is incredibly small" issue

[gaunt tiger]

why not both!

high contrast mode, make it happen

[worldly sparrow]

honestly the solution is to make the projectile bigger yes, but to compensate id reduce the amount of projectiles

[small timber]

high contrast mode: force white background and black outline for every single projectile (including player's own)

no OD don't really have to have their projectile amount reduced, more like make them more predictable

currently a large part of OD is that almost all its projectile linger in some way so it become insanely hard to keep track of

the way I fight OD is literally follow a route which is unnatural

[north oracle]

And not spend 10 seconds slowly traversing your arena preferably

[gaunt tiger]

a contrast mode for those who need it would be nice
like make all boss projectiles a color that is violently different from the background

depending on the boss

[worldly sparrow]

i feel the homing is like

the main issue for od

[small timber]

homing is whatever

[worldly sparrow]

either that or the insanely high projectile lifespan

[small timber]

it just shouldn't have a giant vortex, several debris from shark corpses and toothball chasing you exploding into small projectiles all at the same time

especially that shark corpses is incredibly annoying to deal with due to them covering large area while also have slowfall so if you trigger them at a higher position you basically create a "no entry zone" right below it for like 30 seconds

[worldly sparrow]

and while all thats happening the boss is still dashing in on you

[small timber]

and unironically the boss dashing at you is the most minor part

[worldly sparrow]

fr

[small timber]

because even in ftw it just literally don't have enough range to reach you

[worldly sparrow]

in the duke fishron fight the dashing is a challenge

od fight not so much

[small timber]

I wish they could make OD more dash focus but that is done deliberately to make OD more distinct from just a "stronger Duke Fishron"

in that case I will just rather OD use more projectiles instead of multiple lingering projectiles

especially that due to the nature of OD's attack many of them occur off screen (due to them often chasing you away like sharks)

[swift wharf]

(i cannot disable the reply because the menu isn't showing)
^^^^^^

tboi has an option to make enemy tears have a glow

which is great because they can be the same color of your tears

etg already has a built in high contrast mode because of the enemy bullet sprites

making the projectile easier to see is way better than making the projectile bigger imo

[gaunt tiger]

THIS WOULD BE HUGE

[golden sonnet]

Omniscience potion is what you are describing, although it could be improved

[swift wharf]

you will see a white dot in a black background but not a gray circle

omniscience is not the solution

because if you want to see the projectiles properly, you NEED to use the potion

[small timber]

and also the omniscience's "highlight" effect is kind of scuff

it still don't work super well in dark background

[swift wharf]

fixing the projectile rather than having an item to "fix" the projectile is better

ofc you won't need it for like
spaz fireballs or reti lasers
but having the option would still be nice

[urban berry]

They should make a suggestion channel for specific items.

[ripe owl]

No

That's gonna be horrendous

And no suggestion would be accepted

[small timber]

no, just accept everything, every single suggestion on there

and then put a " soon™️ " sign on the implementation time

[wide river]

That was essentially the old suggestion channel
The Don't was put in place specifically because:

1. Oftentimes those suggestions were horribly balanced
2. They were far too specific to have any leeway with being implemented
3. It was just overall not a good idea to have them be allowed

[last widget]

thorium better

[hearty obsidian]

true'

[north oracle]

tur...

[small timber]

FYI the dev that made Ark of the Cosmos left the dev team

so the chance of them making changes to the item is slim but moreso unnecessary since basically they have to relearn the code on the item

[worldly sparrow]

this is a SIS too

[small timber]

abit but the suggestion can refer to galaxia/previous weapons on the line instead, but more so of "significantly changing ark of the cosmos" itself is the problem

[kindred creek]

i though SIS only aplied if you were asking for the creation of a new item?

[north oracle]

honestly we'd probably need a dev to confirm if this is "extreme amount of time needed" if noone currently knows the code for ark

[worldly sparrow]

"- Any suggestions to add a new, specific item, with a name, laid-out function, stats, sprite, etc. (This is known as a Specific Item Suggestion, or SIS)"

in this case

function

oh shit

i misread

[small timber]

in this case you can easily change it to not be SIS considering you can refer directly to its previous lines

[small timber]

but the problem is moreso this

[kindred creek]

reworded it

so should I just delete it and assume it's impossible or wait for a dev to confirm or deny the suggestions viability?

[small timber]

probably can wait for a dev to confirm since if they want to they can still learn the item to change it

but yeah I just remember there was a previous case of similar suggestion

[north oracle]

i think you're right, yeah

[drowsy plank]

i want to flag this but

hm no actually i think i can hit this under excessive effort actually

but also i am 90% sure some dev already said it does not have modes on purpose

[glass arch]

hasnt this been suggested before and shot down

[drowsy plank]

yes

[small timber]

I will say wait for a dev's call

[kindred creek]

so it takes too long to implement, got it

[small timber]

because ultimately they are the one who decide if it is high effort or not

but I think iban said something before that it is simplified at the ark of the cosmos is intentional, sec

[drowsy plank]

yes that is why im slapping it for now

if a dev comes in and says otherwise i will clear, but i think both of these are valid as to why id say no

oh there we go lol

[bright crag]

It is intentional, as it represents you learning to better control and synergize the functions of the blade
So the attack modes merge into a cool combo

It does seem like a lot of effort for an already decently complex weapon

[kindred creek]

fair enough

[small timber]

yeah I cant find the original post

[bright crag]

Though I do see why you'd suggest that
It does seem to take more from Ark line, in terms of functionality

[north oracle]

also, how do you properly integrate the parry mode? if it was that way around people would complain that the parry had been pushed back and it was mostly a biome blade upgrade

[small timber]

but I do remember it is something about it is intentional, just I forgot the reasoning

they can move change modes to holding left click (or right click) but yeah

right click occupying parry is indeed a problem

[hollow shell]

Iban isn't a dev anymore

[drowsy plank]

okay i couldnt remember who it was and iban was a dev when it came up so

blame my memory

[bright crag]

Yeah, which is why it does seem a bit one-sided in this case
I think it would be really hard to merge the lines while keeping both with the same influence over functionality
Ultimately, what changes about Biome Blade are attacks - which, even in the line itself, start merging as you upgrade it
While Ark has a general premise applied to a basic weapon, which gets new features/abilities as the line progresses

[hollow shell]

I don't think this needs to be exclam'd

[north oracle]

both of them have full rc functionalities related to their lines

you need to pick one

[drowsy plank]

i guess i can take it off unless stip says something

[bright crag]

Yeah
(Parry is almost definitely the better choice)

[small timber]

well that is kinda the problem when trying to merge 2 projectile sword line after they are no longer projectile sword

[north oracle]

^

[drowsy plank]

just feels rather pointless

[small timber]

it used to be terrablade 1 and terrablade 2 merge, but now lmao

[bright crag]

You can remove the exclamation

[drowsy plank]

aight

[bright crag]

Though I doubt it'll be accepted if it passes

[north oracle]

honestly aotc doesn't need the biome blade in it at all tbh

[bright crag]

Since yeah

[north oracle]

it could be changed to have galaxia and AotC be the end of 2 seperate lines

[bright crag]

I do think Biome Blade adds a significant bit to AotC and wouldn't want AotC to be purely Ark
I just think the lines could've been built better around the convergence point, so that they fit together instead of one overtaking the other

[north oracle]

fair, yeah
it's nice to have them combine, but AotC takes a lot more from AotE than Galaxia

[small timber]

the ideal is ark of the cosmos is basically can be switched to "biome blade" mode and "ark" mode with the element of each influencing each other
Eg: currently AOTC is basically the "ark" mode of the AOTC

but yeah that of course is just 2 in 1 weapon and basically create the most obnoxiously unnecessarily overcomplicated weapon in the game

[cobalt pewter]

I just want the bb part of aotc to be more prevalent

because aotc basically only left shreds of it in favor of ark line

[toxic basalt]

sharkron gore is now a FTW thing

but OD now just vomits a shit load of gore in P2

[small timber]

oh

so thats why it felt different

I was wondering why I try to go through the same route and there is still debris everytime
it is because OD also spew gores

[toxic basalt]

yes

and he often does it off-screen

[small timber]

well at least I just have to fight yharon instead
and die from full hp in a single charge if I don't have flesh totem up
nice

[swift wharf]

just add more keybinds

[toxic basalt]

I'm starting to think OD just needs an overall tone-down on the amount of projectiles he spawns with the urchins and his vomit, and also the overall amount of sharkrons he just throws at you

you're expected to move fast during the fight, but get punished by lingering projectiles because you were moving fast

wait...FTW increases the overall amount of sharkrons and vomit? Huh, doesn't feel that much different in Death

it's all still flying about off-screen

I suppose in this case life-span reduction may be better

[gaunt tiger]

I've never once done OD on tier

*killed

[grim tusk]

Why are people always asking for SIS level stuff for Ark

[glass arch]

ooga booga fancy sword need be fancier idk

[bright crag]

How is this SIS?

It's just asking for a balance between the existing components of AotC
At most, it's suggesting a general change to an existing specific feature: AotC being the combination of Galaxia and Ark of the Elements

As much as I disagree with the suggestion, I don't think it warrants an exclamation
Though the wording could use some changes

Hang on a sec
@kindred creek You might wanna make your suggestion more general, it gets debatably close to SIS territory

You really don't need to specify "attack modes"

As much as it is an existing feature

[swift wharf]

make aotc more complex suggestion numero 44

[drowsy plank]

another weird sugg

i hope they just kill tesla soon tbqh

[blissful osprey]

i mean

tesla potion is a good concept, it just makes it overly difficult to dodge, especially in crowded spaces (ex. plantera battle)

[gaunt tiger]

honestly I think the entire mod is way overdue for an accessibility update

I can't imagine how bad it would be for people who are colorblind or visually impaired

[cobalt pewter]

Tesla potion is bad in concept because the concept is actively trying to make Inferno potion irrelevant instead of buffing Inferno

[swift wharf]

the irony of making it harder to dodge but also invalidating boss attacks completely

[cobalt pewter]

if Tesla wants to be remotely balanced, it should be post-Martians

but even then it's still a guh concept

[swift wharf]

fucking KILL tesla and give its effects to uhhhhh gravity globe

[cobalt pewter]

real

[golden sonnet]

I think a dev said they would kill Tesla or rework

[drowsy plank]

i dont think tesla pots could ever truly be balanced
i heard the possibility that the effect will be retooled and just move to auric in 2030 when it gets reworked

[swift wharf]

(PLEASE make gravity globe useful

tesla auric setbonus real

[golden sonnet]

#1042197406776827914 message

[cobalt pewter]

Gravity Globe having tesla effect would be nice but like

Blunder Booster kinda exists?

kinda too close together you see

[drowsy plank]

yes thank u

[swift wharf]

yea true

gravity globe could be uhhhhhh gravity effect immunity tbh

gravity normalizer

[cobalt pewter]

gravity globe should remove the screen flipping

[swift wharf]

screen flipping should be removed in general

[cobalt pewter]

that is true

[swift wharf]

thankfully there's a mod for that

[cobalt pewter]

oh shit there is?

I might actually use gravity flipping effect then

[swift wharf]

lmao

[serene tendon]

Wait, people hate the screen flip?

[hollow ridge]

i like this one

blood orbs are unnessarally annoying to get

cus very few (nobody) wants to grind for pot materails

and if you get like 20 from a blood moon thats like 3 potions

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure blood orb drops rates are already gonna get buffed anyway but also

even if people end up building graveyard biome farms to get blood orbs outside of blood moons

good??

like graveyards are so useless and weird right now, something like that would actually be really cool

this is, of course, doing everything to avoid the elephant in the room of 1.4.4 letting bride and groom drop the bloody tear outside of blood moons anyway so

why not just get around to addressing this ahead of time, yknow?

[pine star]

wait what?

today I learned that bride and groom don't drop blood orbs

[swift wharf]

they only drop blood tears (in 1.4.4)

[frosty trellis]

Dodging with tesla is not viable? Excuse me?

It is absolutely not that hard to dodge stuff with tesla on unless you're shrooming and the same applies to Blunder Booster lighting circle as well. Hell, Tesla Potion can make shit easier to dodge as it can cheese certain boss minions or killable projectiles

Something doesn't add up here as tesla is absolutely cheesy and borderline broken rn, not "unviable for dodging and makes it really hard to be able to dodge"

[drowsy plank]

yeah the tesla sugg is silly

[gaunt tiger]

I don't think it's silly

[glass arch]

it does make it harder to see things

however

[gaunt tiger]

I think it's an accessability suggestion, for people who have trouble with visual processing

[glass arch]

unless you have shrooms on its a relatively small area thats covered up

[drowsy plank]

i think we should just kill tesla potion instead

[gaunt tiger]

I also think we should kill tesla potion

but that's an as well not an instead

[drowsy plank]

there's not really a reason to try and make the tesla potion effect more accessibility friendly if it's just going to get removed

[gaunt tiger]

no I meant the game in general ^^

I'm with you, no need to change tesla if it going

[novel belfry]

i almost always run tesla, that's how good it it really is

it's literally one of the worst examples of "calamity item is just a better vanilla item in every way, shape or form"

[swift wharf]

the powercreep is real

[toxic basalt]

I missed when it was simple

[worldly sparrow]

you know what? i fully agree with this sugg

[swift wharf]

boss rush 😭

honestly boss rush should just be the final bosses + providogyharon with different AI tbh

[drowsy plank]

boss rush more like slosh rush

[swift wharf]

ENGAGING and FUN gameplay

[frosty trellis]

I like boss rush

It's fun

This just seems really weird to me

[tired haven]

boss rush for me is a 15 minutes prelude to a scal attempt

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[glass arch]

true

shrimply exo box

[frosty trellis]

Just increase boss HP prior to SCal so everything doesn't get melted

Maybe my suggestion would help with that-

[frosty trellis]

To an extent yeah

I only really exo box CV and SCal bhs byeah

I like c.tracers mobility for everything else

[tired haven]

It'd make it a 30 minutes prelude to a scal attempt

[glass arch]

shrimply remove scal

problem solved

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[worldly sparrow]

boss rush for me is just a few minutes of prelude to an exos attempt

[glass arch]

what about we remove bosses

[frosty trellis]

Exos are not that hard especially after Exo Twins got nerfed for literally no reason

[worldly sparrow]

not hard for you

idk i just cant seem to get the exos down

[frosty trellis]

What is the hardest part of Exos then?

For you?

[worldly sparrow]

the twins for sure

at least i know part of ares' ai

[frosty trellis]

.... have you played on this patch?

[worldly sparrow]

yes

[frosty trellis]

I have no idea how then twins got omega nerfed this patch and are so much easier, arguably the easiest of the 3 generally speaking

[worldly sparrow]

i just simply cant get their attack patterns down

[frosty trellis]

Area is the hardest, then Thana (unless you just melt him), then Twins is now a pushover

[worldly sparrow]

although i still dont know how i actually damage thanatos

[frosty trellis]

You don't really have too besides Ohio because most of their attacks can be outran by shrimply

[worldly sparrow]

i just aim randomly and it works

[glass arch]

hit the red segments

[frosty trellis]

Shrimply flying up and down diagonally

Away from the orange one generally bc of the shotgun blasts

[glass arch]

mfw exos is cheesed by fallgod

though what isnt cheesed by fallgod

[worldly sparrow]

ares is 2nd for me since i actually know how his ai works

[frosty trellis]

Even without fallgodding Exos are not that bad

[worldly sparrow]

the others i have no idea what their ais are

[frosty trellis]

Another problem with Exos twins is that half of their attacks deal no damage

They aren't super threatening

[worldly sparrow]

glass cannon setup go brrr

[frosty trellis]

Especially without Artemis's predictive shotgun dash outside of berserk

[glass arch]

me fr

[frosty trellis]

Not everyone plays with a glass cannon build nor is the mod balanced around it

In a standard tester build Exo Twins are not super threatening at all

[glass arch]

but yeah mpg also knows exos by heart because of tbsky

[worldly sparrow]

ofc the mod isnt balanced around it

then tank builds would actually be meta 100% of the time

[glass arch]

tank builds are pretty meta lol

[worldly sparrow]

byeah i always go damage build

[timber temple]

something something you can tank blender

[frosty trellis]

I knew their patterns really well prior an then t.bsky hammered it down and that was pre-exos twins nerf

I knew how to dodge the predictive shotgun dash like very little else because I have beaten Exos with several true melee weapons

[glass arch]

its uncanny how good tanking can be

[worldly sparrow]

look if there's one thing i've learned its that if you've nohit a boss you shouldn't have a problem beating them normally

[frosty trellis]

They.... Already are lmao

[worldly sparrow]

ive nohitted bosses

[frosty trellis]

I haven't nohit anything past aureus and besides rav I can consistently beat every boss past that point

In a tester setup

[worldly sparrow]

cool

[glass arch]

yeah tanking is very effective because cmt shitters always say tanking sucks and get everything for tanking buffed

[worldly sparrow]

the hive mind real???

[frosty trellis]

Also Shield of the High Ruler

Tank builds are incredibly balanced

[swift wharf]

the idea of an endgame boss rush is strange because it doesn't work because of terraria powerscaling

[worldly sparrow]

i dont like tank builds personally because with them i'd actually have to spend time working down the bosses hp

[frosty trellis]

I like br and I don't really see how it doesn't work so long as you compensate for better gear

[swift wharf]

what's fun in killing all hardmode and pre hardmode bosses in 5 seconds

[frosty trellis]

But the thing is: you never die

So you never have to actually learn how to play the game lo

[worldly sparrow]

the dopamine rush is fun

[swift wharf]

you might as well use cheat sheet and insta butcher all bosses

it's not like HK pantheons where the bosses have a chance to fight

[frosty trellis]

Even with dumb shit like Elemental Excalibur I was not melting every hardmode boss in 5 seconds that's very much exaggerated

[swift wharf]

and they die fast because of skill and not endgame gear vs prehardmode boss

still

your mobility is way, way higher as well

[worldly sparrow]

i thought they died because their health was reduced to 0

[swift wharf]

so true

[spark ravine]

Jesus. What loadout is that?

[frosty trellis]

Balanced tester loadout

Is what I was using

[swift wharf]

lmao

[frosty trellis]

To test shit like Elemental Excalibur, Fabstaff and Rainbow Party Cannon

[swift wharf]

the boss rush mod makes sense than actual boss rush

[worldly sparrow]

honestly the tester loadout isn't all that bad

[frosty trellis]

Tester Loadouts are great

I like them

[swift wharf]

it isn't I just find it funny

[frosty trellis]

They feel very comfy

[spark ravine]

What difficulty? Master + death I assume?

[sleek turret]

tester loadouts are balanced arent they

[frosty trellis]

It's a balanced setup

[frosty trellis]

No no no
The mod is balanced around Expert-Revengence lol

[worldly sparrow]

i just use them as a guide if i haven't played that class in a while and need a hand in making a setup

[fervent orbit]

we test on expert rev, that is wat the mod is balanced around, and will always be balanced around

[frosty trellis]

Yep if we ignore the fact chlorophyte armor is busted as shit

[sleek turret]

so like, 2 accs of each major acc group (defense, offense and mobility) + 1 acc of your choice?

[worldly sparrow]

i dont even want to imagine what the mod would be if it was based off master death

[sleek turret]

and reforges being the same thing really

[spark ravine]

mb lol. I was wondering "how are you casually tanking 780 damage"

[frosty trellis]

Depends on the stage of the game

Generally it's balanced between defensive/mobility of choice, then offensive, usually a 50/50 split, favoring defensive/mobility if accessory slots are uneven

And reforges the same

[fervent orbit]

hes still tanking 500+ dmg

[frosty trellis]

Quick/Warding and Menacing (Or 2 silent 1 menacing if stealth rogue), favoring quick/warding

[fervent orbit]

+miracle blight

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[worldly sparrow]

just wondering, how is armor and accesories tested?

[spark ravine]

perfectly balanced

[frosty trellis]

I could tank Master-Death BLENDER if I wanted most likely

[fervent orbit]

we use some decently balanced item and compare with 1 thing and then the other thing

[frosty trellis]

Because defense effectiveness gets buffed in Master

[worldly sparrow]

gotcha

[frosty trellis]

Armor and Accessories are definitely harder to test but there are definitely cases of accessories being really, really fucking broken

[fervent orbit]

so lets say theres an item we think might do well with ap
we do one test without an ap acc (like normal)
and another with an ap acc (shark tooth necklace lol)

[worldly sparrow]

i still dont know why re-logic made solar amor way better than the other lunar armors

[frosty trellis]

It used to suck in 1.3

So they overcompensated

[worldly sparrow]

cough cough draedon heart

[frosty trellis]

Draedon Heart is busted but it's usable on only SCal and BR so it's fine

[worldly sparrow]

lol for me its only usable on br since i do scal first

[frosty trellis]

It's not the Public Enemy #1 or #2 in terms of Kill this defensive accessory immediately please

[fervent orbit]

iirc elysian guard needs to be stronger

[frosty trellis]

#1 being Rampart and #2 being High Ruler (High Ruler getting double nerfed in its ADR being reduced and ADR bug being fixed)

#3 is both Aegis's because fk Elysian Guard

[worldly sparrow]

yeah i kinda figured rampart was first

but fr buff the enchanted pearl

it doesnt even increase damage smh

[frosty trellis]

There are a ton of bad shit and stuff that needs a buff

Don't need to increase damage for every accessory smpgh

[worldly sparrow]

(it was a joke smh)

[worldly sparrow]

reminds me of a certain vanilla

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[worldly sparrow]

im convinced re-logic only nerfs the meta

the worst of the worst almost never get buffed

daedalus stormbow and holy arrows got so many nerfs and they're still the best against destroyer in vanilla

[frosty trellis]

Lo

No they aren't because Drippler Crippler exists

[worldly sparrow]

oh right

isn't the dart rifle + cursed dart also kinda close?

[frosty trellis]

It's not close to crippler getting sub 10 seconds LMAO

[worldly sparrow]

ok yeah

i was talkin kinda close to stormbow

[frosty trellis]

Fair

[worldly sparrow]

not to crippler

[spark ravine]

what's the highest defense you can possibly achieve in calamity (not including DR)? Like 400? 500?

[worldly sparrow]

everyone sleeps on the dart pistol

its a really good weapon

and yet almost nobody uses it

[frosty trellis]

I would have to double check but iirc it's mid 400s

My normal build balances between defense and DR for maximum tanking + rogue auric tesla over melee for the extra iframes so it's not fully pure defense minmaxed

[fervent orbit]

iframes

[worldly sparrow]

oh yeah for the longest time everyone thought dr was by far the best way of tanking

[fervent orbit]

the most balanced defensive thing

[worldly sparrow]

but then people discovered regeneration

and then i-frames

[frosty trellis]

It used to be because cal slapped DR on everything

[fervent orbit]

i love how they decided that cross necklace should combine with philosophers stone and give it even more iframes for no reason

[frosty trellis]

In vanilla it's stacking dodge chances + iframes atm

[spark ravine]

was the weird DR formula always in calamity, or was it slapped on later for balancing purposes?

[worldly sparrow]

and then theres the hallowed armor's set bonus which ALSO stacks

[drowsy plank]

the DR formula has been in the game for a while

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

DR formula was so DR stacking didn't leave defense out to die

[worldly sparrow]

also i love how the excuse for DR staying the same in vanilla was "DR isn't effective against small amounts of base damage but defense is"

[frosty trellis]

Defense Damage is a mechanic that is supposed to stop people from facetanking but well, It's not good at its job

Defense Damage punishes tester builds and glass cannon builds getting chain hit So much harder than tank builds it's not even funny

There are so many bosses that I can just stand still and do nothing because I cannot die from them

[fervent orbit]

fishron

[frosty trellis]

I love standing still and facetanking Duke permadash!!!!

While my defense damage regenerates before I get hit again because defense damage regen is so fast!!!!!

[fervent orbit]

i wonder if u can facetank calclone permadash

[drowsy plank]

what is defense damage % scaled with amount of defense instead of being flat based on the damage taken basically

[fervent orbit]

[frosty trellis]

It really should

[spark ravine]

"we're making defense damage permanent in the next update"

[drowsy plank]

you could probably still suicide to clear it

[gaunt tiger]

"we're removing warding in the next update"

[frosty trellis]

Because it's the same amount of defense damage regardless of attack

Exos and SCal give about 40-70 defense damage regardless of build depending on the attack

LOL

Warding when it was nerfed and it's still generally better than menacing because fuck damage I guess

[drowsy plank]

lmao modifiers are funny

[gaunt tiger]

damage is good pre moon lord because you can skip or shorten harder phases of bosses

: )

[frosty trellis]

You don't even need menacing for that

It's called Adrenaline

[gaunt tiger]

you do if you're bad like I am

[drowsy plank]

yeah adren lmao

[fervent orbit]

"what do you mean defense is good? totally itll take me 5 years to do aa boss with waarding!!!!11‼️"

[frosty trellis]

LMAO

[gaunt tiger]

some of the desperation moves in infernum are real bitches

and menacing skips them all

™️

[frosty trellis]

Infernum is not balanced around

[gaunt tiger]

ye ik

[frosty trellis]

Because it's not an official part of the mod

[gaunt tiger]

ye ik

I'm saying where I use menacing

[frosty trellis]

Also Sea Locket Hotswap/The weird shadow clone staff

Is so much funnier

[gaunt tiger]

suffering

[frosty trellis]

Just take no damage from the desperation attacks lmao

[gaunt tiger]

me when

when guardians is a 4 minute fight

[worldly sparrow]

ehh sure why not

[wide river]

Infernum does this, does it not?

[worldly sparrow]

anything to make deerclops not feel bland in every way

[fervent orbit]

@vestal dagger but eol and qs do have rev+ ais

[drowsy plank]

lmao stole my message

i was gonna say more but yeah eol and qs do have AIs

also this

[fervent orbit]

then say the more

[drowsy plank]

this is kind of weak reasoning

[fervent orbit]

reasoning is: no ai

[drowsy plank]

this feels like asking for murasama to get a dash attack or w/e the fuck the doc says because metal gear's does

[random talon]

well

reference suggestion violation aside, I'd like to see Deerclops have a new attack

that would be interesting

[drowsy plank]

yes yes the deerclips rev+ AI we all know about it

[fervent orbit]

maybe if it werent weirded in a specific way, but then that would just be "give deerclops ai"

[drowsy plank]

yo @hollow shell what are your thoughts on this one i need a second opinion cause this feel a lot like asking for mura to get attacks from metal gear or something
and i think we all know that the team knows deer needs a rev+ AI anyway

[hollow shell]

mmm Hrmmm

[half sage]

Both eternity and infernum give deerclops a laser yes

[hollow shell]

Yeah yes I do suppose this is that kind of specific reference suggestion

byeah

[golden sonnet]

I feel like a "add ai changes to deerclops" and then saying something like this could be in the form of would work, but it's also already planned to add changes iirc

[hollow shell]

Deerclops AI has been planned since before the Calamity 1.4.3 port even came out

Same with whips though that's significantly more work
Same with Exo Armor and Demonshade Helmets though they lost the spriters who were working on those

AI is something Fab just does in a few days of working
Shocked it hasn't been done yet

[small timber]

I think Fabsol just dislike Deerclops (at least I heard it from somewhere, but not super sure if is from a dev)

but yeah I think the problem with the suggestion is moreso that it request specifically a laser attack to be added

even if it is the source material if vanilla didn't follow it it doesn't really mean cal have to follow Don't Starve Deerclops too

[wide river]

Indeed
If it were to simply say "Give Deerclops a unique attack in higher difficulties" instead, it would likely be able to pass

[small timber]

in fact if they follow it to the exact it just limits boss design because Don't Starve and Terraria is inherently different type of game

[small timber]

or rather the first step is "Give Deerclops Rev+ AI Changes" before even suggesting a new attack

[hollow shell]

Yes it would pass but it would also do nothing

[vestal dagger]

Deerclops does need something on higher difficulties, I just suggested the laser specifically because of it matching the source material and expanding on the different attack animations

[cobalt pewter]

only took a single search

yeah he just despises dclops

[worldly sparrow]

woah fabsol is one of us

[cobalt pewter]

fym us

[worldly sparrow]

lets be honest almost nobody likes deerclops

[cobalt pewter]

I don't like how the current DClops is, but Fab takes the hate to another level

[hollow shell]

I haven't fought him enough to give an opinion really

[worldly sparrow]

i fought him once for the achievement in vanilla and never went back

it was horrible man

[cobalt pewter]

I want to see dclops be improved

but clearly that's nowhere on fab's agenda

even then I wouldn't call a fab AI to be much of an improvement

even if the boss is literally unplayable

[wide river]

I never fought Deerclops under normal circumstances
Just used an endgame character to smite them for the achievement
I'd have to actually.... fight them properly to give an opinion on them

[cobalt pewter]

it's the only vanilla boss untouched by cal

which is an obvious display to whatever disdain fab has

there's a difference between not liking a boss (yet wanting to see it improve) and literally punting it into oblivion

infernum can fuckin do it

it's not impossible

[small timber]

deerclops have design clashing issue

you are supposed to fight him in either a grounded way or just balloon jumps, but instead in both way it just put shadow hands in your face randomly in the direction you are moving

[swift wharf]

funnily enough

queen slime is "fixed" by calamity

[cobalt pewter]

...which can easily be changed

that's not an excuse not to do a rev+ ai

he just fuckin despises the boss

[wide river]

Give Deerclops Yharon AI in Rev+

[cobalt pewter]

real.

[small timber]

because not only does Deerclops' drops just suck, have absolutely no relevance to progression, have a really shitty vanilla base AI which makes it very hatable and various frustrating mechanic with the fight but also vanilla themselves are unsure what to do with it seing the boss seemingly is just being slapped into the game and is just there

[north oracle]

at least infernum managed to do something half decent with him

[small timber]

and also of course is a crossover boss therefore "uhhh you should follow source material haha"

[small timber]

being nearly completely altering the boss into a different boss

[north oracle]

(by which i mean he's fucking awesome)

[north oracle]

yep

exactly

[fervent orbit]

p1 eternity deerclops is also cool we do not talk about p2

[cobalt pewter]

1. conceptually yeah, but they can always be changed in numbers
2. that's what side bosses mean
3. which is WHY rev+ AI should be changed to alter that
4. This is calamity with its own lore, if Brawlhalla can somehow integrate Ezio Altoire and fuckin Rayman into the general lore of Valhalla, no one has any excuses

[wide river]

Re: point 4
Deerclops won't be integrated into Cal lore, dedicated content an' all

Or crossover content or whatever

Just know it's not canon

[drowsy plank]

deerclops's base ai is

fine

boring

but fine

base eoc ai is boring too but we make it work

the problem is the shadow hands

they just feel so

tacked on

[cobalt pewter]

that's not surprising in the slightest

[drowsy plank]

people complain about leviana feeling conflicting but shadow hands are the true worst partner boss

cause they really are just fucking around doing their own thing

[vestal dagger]

yeah if something's going to change with Deerclops then something needs to be done with the shadow hands

[cobalt pewter]

yeah shadow hands are big problem

[fervent orbit]

shadow hands when they can literally spawn on top of you

[vestal dagger]

in vanilla they're just an extra thing that just kinda exists in expert mode, and a slap on the wrist if the player just lingers above Deerclops for too long

[cobalt pewter]

when they GET YOU

[vestal dagger]

integrating Deerclops into the mod lore could just be as simple as 'its a rare creature in the snowy tundra, also they like hoarding treasures and that's why they just drop random stuff instead of themed items.'

[glass arch]

there will be no lore integration for crossovers, explicit references, and donor content

as such

deerclops is non canon to calamity, same as old ones army

[bright crag]

It won't be
Crossover content never is, and we aren't making an exception for Deerclops

I do think Deerclops will get Rev+ AI
If you hate the boss so much, I assume you'd want to make it better
It's just that I haven't really seen much discussion about how the fight would be

[drowsy plank]

i imagine he would be a grounded fight still, but it'd be cool if the snow tossing attack was more of a real attack, and if your distance didn't change it, basically, give him more of an actual pattern, and fix up shadow hands so they actually work with his fight instead of against it

like if instead of him just being immune if you're too far away, that's when the hands start showing up or something, meanwhile if you're inside of his "perimeter" he could use them, if at all, in a clearer and more telegraphed way to try and control vertical space

[tough hedge]

down and to the left will dodge every attack unless thanatos decides to block you... im serious... its the 1 thing fandom got right... though ares 1 on 1 changes the side his lazer comes from i think

[worldly sparrow]

yeah ares 1 on 1 changes laser

it goes down then sideways the next

[tough hedge]

ok so down left will dodge just about everything outside of some unlucky bullets

[tough hedge]

no i mean when its all 3 his lazer comes from the right to the left, thought when 1 on 1 it comes from the left to the right

[tough hedge]

with the swarm, and twins. ares and thanatoes you can really just run from side to side exept for a few attacks... curse you thanatos beam

[steady shore]

play infernum

[worldly sparrow]

been there, done that

[steady shore]

good job 👍

[tough hedge]

i should really do that but fucking hell infernum scares me

[gaunt tiger]

If you can beat rev you can probably get to at least moon lord

Source: I beat rev and am now stuck after ml

[steady shore]

haha its also a great experience if u have a toaster computer

[tough hedge]

i may not have a fuckin rtx 4090 or whatever other top of the line parts there are but i'd say my computer is high end

[steady shore]

ok then u will do fine

unlike me who runs at like 15 fps

[random talon]

I can't get past Skeletron on Infernum. His attacks are WAY too hard to dodge and do WAY too much damage

[north oracle]

…why are you in #suggestions-discussion talking about that

[random talon]

we were already talking about Infernum

[north oracle]

Yeah, 7 hours ago

[random talon]

...I noticed too late

[ashen warren]

also #calamity-addon-talk is right there :p

[swift wharf]

damn

[bright crag]

@silver mulch Specific Item Suggestions (SIS) are not allowed

[silver mulch]

1. I didn't know.
2. Why?

[swift wharf]

exo box when it

[cobalt pewter]

1. read the pins before sending anything to #suggestions-posting
2. Negative chance of implementation, too complex to be considered, and just being shit conceptually, to name a few

[swift wharf]

on a completely unrelated matter

ares should drop an item that you need to equip to get infinite flight during the funny phase tbh

but then the item disappears after the phase

[bright crag]

Well, please read the rules before posting then

They are banned mainly because they rarely get implemented

[cobalt pewter]

just let the game randomly replace one of your accs with this thing

[swift wharf]

TRUE

(by equip i mean not literally but a pickup that gives you flight would be cool tbh tbh)

[cobalt pewter]

wing head

[swift wharf]

oil bottle

[bright crag]

SIS are much less appealing because the chance of a dev disagreeing with a part of your suggestion is much much higher
Besides, outlining the functions of items that get added is our job and responsibility

[swift wharf]

also

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest even when they weren't banned, or when people post them regardless, i rarely actually see good ideas in specific item suggestions lmao

oh lmao i just looked at it of course it was another insignia adjacent thing

hilarious

[swift wharf]

LMFAO

[bright crag]

I'm surprised this got through but good, because yeah we don't plan on adding it

[swift wharf]

the expert thing

the expert thing 😭

[bright crag]

This is a confirmation

[drowsy plank]

im flagging this

just

turn off the mod dude im sorry

[swift wharf]

or download the mod that removes nerfs

[drowsy plank]

that too

[worthy fiber]

such an EVIL mod

[bright crag]

Yeah

[worthy fiber]

cannot vbelieve this

[swift wharf]

please don't let it in it will truly impact the normal mode players

[bright crag]

You do realize Soaring Insignia is still a major movement accessory right

[drowsy plank]

@silver mulch you can just turn off the mod at that point. stop trying to force an infinite flight item into calamity; if you really want one just. use exo box. and if that isn't enough, just go download a mod that reverts the change or download a mod that adds a new one or something

[swift wharf]

wdym
it doesn't have infinite flight so it's bad

[worthy fiber]

soaring more like...floating!

[silver mulch]

The idea is that I would like to be able to play calamity without having to spend half an hour on an arena that covets the sky. Also, the soaring insignia is not the only problem, and I'm only asking for an option which is off by default.

[drowsy plank]

no

turn off the mod

lmfao

[worldly sparrow]

???

i genuinely dont get your point

how is unnerfing vanilla stuff gonna help you build your arena faster

[calm onyx]

May I introduced you to cheat sheet's paint tool?

[swift wharf]

you don't need skybridges for arenas...

[drowsy plank]

tmod fans when the terraria mod changes terraria 🤯

[swift wharf]

and ironically

calamity BUFFS placing speed

[bright crag]

You really don't need an arena that covets the sky
The most arena intensive bosses are Exo Mechs, and even then, you can get around without a gigantic arena

[drowsy plank]

you can do it with basically just surface p easily 👍

[silver mulch]

Or fargo's... good point, I mainly wanted the insignia working for flying around in journey mode with stupidly fast wings, but good point.

[drowsy plank]

i

doesnt god mode give you infinite flight

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, exos dont actually need a huge arena

[drowsy plank]

or is that only cheat sheet's

[silver mulch]

Just wondering, are steam vents still... interesting?

[drowsy plank]

oh no that bug was patched

assuming that is what you are talking about

[swift wharf]

journey mode god mode is just inf mana

(and health

[cobalt pewter]

god mode in journey doesn't give infinite flight time

[silver mulch]

Ah, damn I was going to cheese the mod with it.

[swift wharf]

uncanny

[drowsy plank]

why

[silver mulch]

What about wulfrum?

[cobalt pewter]

akhchually it removes your hitbox somehow (as in apparently you are literally untouchable instead of just taking no damage)

[drowsy plank]

hey buddy i got this really great tool for you called cheat sheet butcher tool

[worldly sparrow]

wulfrum glitch, also patched

[swift wharf]

yeah might as well
install cheat sheet

[silver mulch]

The idea here is I can still say I killed the boss with any given weapon.

[swift wharf]

huh

[worldly sparrow]

?????

[silver mulch]

I did, but I use it for building.

[drowsy plank]

does anyone have the rover image

i need it so bad right now

[cosmic karma]

why do you want to kill exos with like a tin broadsword

[swift wharf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813027267705700384/1115322475052544100/Capture.png

[drowsy plank]

thank you

[swift wharf]

i am confused

[silver mulch]

I also use cheat sheet for when redemption refuses to function due to still being in development.

[worldly sparrow]

...

[swift wharf]

damn

[timber temple]

Terraria players trying not to make every playthrough a boss rush (impossible)

[worldly sparrow]

i mean this is kinda what you get when you add so many

people want to fight them all

[drowsy plank]

having a lot of bosses doesnt mean you need to 2024 the game to fight them

you could
yknow
actually take your time and explore the world and do other stuff

[swift wharf]

ahh difficulty junkies

[hybrid steeple]

calamity boss rush addon

[swift wharf]

calamity boss rush addon is better than actual boss rush

🚬

[hybrid steeple]

TRUE

[glass arch]

tbf thats not a high bar in the slightest

[swift wharf]

LMFAO

[bright crag]

Lmao true

It is a bit hard to make a good Boss Rush in such a big mod though

Too many bosses, too much powercreep

[glass arch]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

nuke half of the cal bosses ❕

[worldly sparrow]

also question

[swift wharf]

nuke boss rus

[worldly sparrow]

how will adding the superbosses to the boss rush be done

[bright crag]

Either bosses get melted, or the Boss Rush takes ages
And in any case, unless you break up BR, the AI will be very awkward

[cobalt pewter]

doesn't matter, the silent majority is already braindead to even consider this

[hybrid steeple]

they wont be in there probably

[cobalt pewter]

br should not exist but what do I know

[high nest]

bro i could not just go from boss to boss no breaks like pre hardmode's the worst part cause it kinda doesnt leave a lot to do until you get a bunch of bosses out of the way

[swift wharf]

just rework all pre-hm/hm bosses so they don't get melted

[cobalt pewter]

I like how Dead Cells handles boss rush even if it's not "traditional"

[swift wharf]

it's a fundamentally a problem with terraria

[glass arch]

even trying to style it similar hollow knights pantheons wouldnt work because of you not having set arenas for bosses aside from scal

[drowsy plank]

queen bee with 65 quintillion HP

[bright crag]

Endgame KS AI

[swift wharf]

other games don't have the powercrept progression of terraria

[bright crag]

Yeah, Terraria's powercreep is insane