suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

basically vanilla is extreme grind and cal (somehow) is extreme convenience

[small timber]

is there a single exquisitely stuffed food that is not a random sub1% drop or a random drop from gift?

[bright crag]

Wait am I missing some context here

[cobalt heath]

you are

[cobalt pewter]

I don't think so? never bothered researching it

[cobalt pewter]

we were talking about future cal changelogs of selling food on NPCs

[swift wharf]

food is silly in vanilla because most of it will drop from some random enemy

[dull kite]

i wouldnt call it an issue that needs fixing. it's only seen that way from a specific viewpoint

[dull kite]

bvurger drop from eater of souls 😄

[swift wharf]

bumger :)

[cobalt pewter]

the only thing that somewhat makes sense is grape from the giant flying fox because those bat like enemies do eat grapes

everything else is just lol

[hybrid steeple]

eating the eater of souls burger and contracting every disease at once

[swift wharf]

i dont see a lot of people melting bosses with platinum coin gun in vanilla

but something something [term] bias

[cobalt pewter]

sex bias

I mean what

[swift wharf]

huh

[small timber]

farming gold is way easier in cal because zerg and stuff, and infinite boss summon

[cobalt pewter]

anyways

[small timber]

on vanilla you almost is mandatory to build a mob farm

[bright crag]

Oohh

[glass arch]

even in cal mob farms can be very nice for money

[dull kite]

my issue is i don't see the point in impeding on how someone wants to play

[random pasture]

Mob farm with zerg

[dull kite]

the same thing comes up with the wingslot arguments that probably STILL happen

[swift wharf]

the solution is to clearly nerf platinum coins

[dull kite]

yes, it's broken, no, it doesn't matter (imo at least)

[swift wharf]

wing slot is not relevant here because we dont take other mods into consideration

[dull kite]

it was an example of the some parts of the argument that are very similar

[bright crag]

I feel like it's a bit cheap
I agree that enemies dropping food is silly (which is why Fab wanted to change it), but this solution feels really rushed and would make food relatively easy to get

I feel like there's a balance to strike between dropped (in ways that make sense), harvested, made and bought

[cobalt pewter]

I see this less as "impeding" someone's playstyle (or something), but it's just the matter of making the economy more naturally reasonable while still letting some whacky stuff in terms of grinding to some extent

and Terraria isn't a sandbox, let alone calamity, they have a somewhat specific direction on where they want to take their version of Terraria

[bright crag]

I would really love to expand cooking

[swift wharf]

thorium mod cook npc

[cobalt pewter]

yeah seeing such balance would be nice

[dull kite]

(idr if i sent this) but everything i say here should be taken with a grain of salt because im frankly not 100% sure if the vision of calamity has been changed from the one several years ago (which it very well may have, in which case, let me know)

[small timber]

calamity harvest moon update when so we can grow our own vegetable and cattles

[undone cedar]

mm
suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

both vanilla and calamity are way too extreme in this manner in particular

on opposite ends too

[dull kite]

but back then there was a lot of "dont mess with how people want to play the game"

[cobalt pewter]

it probably has changed (I haven't followed the mod much the last few years), but it certainly would still have a direction

[hybrid steeple]

[cobalt pewter]

but either way it's definitely a tall task, and frankly a low priority one, to mess with economy as a while

whole

fuck

[dull kite]

if the current hope for calamity is to make the mod more 'balanced' in that sense then it makes sense but there really isn't a reason to otherwise

yeah

[small timber]

the solution is clearly to reduce all gold gain by 70% for now

[cobalt pewter]

eat the rich

[small timber]

and every day you exist in the world you are taxed from your pocket and piggy bank for 20% of your savings

[swift wharf]

just tax the player

EXACTLY

[cobalt pewter]

make tax collector great again

[dull kite]

TAXES?!? IN MY CALAMITY MOD?

[swift wharf]

adult content

[small timber]

TLDR I think IMO IIRC we need to add this to solve gold issues

[swift wharf]

irs strongest soldier (aew) instantly kills you if you dont do your taxes

[glass arch]

something something diminishing returns from bosses

[cobalt pewter]

🔞

[dull kite]

holy shit that should be a death change

[swift wharf]

JOB APPLICATION

:jumpscare:

[cobalt pewter]

death mode calamity suddenly becomes a life simulator (with larger than life practical greatswords)

[dull kite]

mandatory taxes. forced consumption of food (crafted now. not dropped by mobs), demonic spider mode, even

[cobalt pewter]

the giant enemy spider!

tu tu tutututututu

[glass arch]

"forced consumption of food" so just The Constant seed

[swift wharf]

stress,

[dull kite]

heart attack returns

[swift wharf]

please fabsol bring back stress but only happens if you have affliction

it would be so aws

ome

[dull kite]

like the accessory or like a debuff

[swift wharf]

the accessory

[small timber]

every mob you kill cause pollution into the world that makes it harder to get clean food and water; and your NPCs start to keep dying from constant poisoning

solved mob farm issue too

[random pasture]

Add supply and demand to shopkeepers

[swift wharf]

affliction but it replaces adrenaline and rage with stress bar that can give you either afflictions or virtues

[cobalt pewter]

you can now pre-order things at your local NPCs

[dull kite]

i think red hook would be okay with that

[glass arch]

something something factorio

[random pasture]

Every time you buy an item at a shopkeep it becomes more expensive

[swift wharf]

i will pay wayne june to voice yharim if that happens

[random pasture]

And they have a limited number every day

[dull kite]

oh my god that would be beautiful

[cobalt pewter]

item costs in shop now fluctuate by ±15% every time you access them, and the base price increases with more purchases on an NPC

[small timber]

every boss have an environmental friendly message related to their post-death aftermath,

• King Sime's death causes the world to start turning into desert because in the world slimes are the substance blocking the hot sun in the atmosphere and you just killed it; AS causes global acid rain; Moon Lord literally just delete the moon which causes the ocean to retract and you can no longer have an ocean biome in your world

since when is - a . now

• A

[random pasture]

Yes

[cobalt pewter]

I think fairly recently

they disabled it sometime ago but they were stealing their own forums code for that

• a

[random pasture]

Every time you pick up money you lose a certain percentage of it due to inflation

[cobalt pewter]

every time you pick up 10 copper worth of money base prices on all shops increases by .0005%

[small timber]

every single enemy in the game excluding mimics and including bosses stop dropping money on death or treasure bag; instead money are now obtained exclusively from trading and also from fulfilling a new NPC quest system

however beaware that accessories and other gears that the player are able to equip (and other materials such as hallowed and cosmlite bar that are otherworldly) have 0 value to NPCs because there is no demand nor do they possess the essential knowledge to utilize these materials; however miner do accept pre-HM ore and their respective bars though

[gaunt tiger]

the year is 20XX

[bright crag]

Simply remove the existing currency system and make all trade based on Gold/Platinum Bars

[dense ferry]

What the fuck did I lose here

[small timber]

make sense tbh

[gaunt tiger]

clearly the foundation of new currency should be stones of jordan

[glass arch]

your sanity

[bright crag]

Yharim bans the "Deity Dubloons" currency and introduces the Yharim Kromer

[royal tapir]

Your wallet, I stole it

[dull kite]

i lost my marbles not sure about you

[dull kite]

This is the best suggestion since adir and trashbox stopped posting

[bright crag]

[royal tapir]

[hollow ridge]

Me when I don't check the channel for 3 hours

That's alot of ❗

[wide river]

That's what happens when the topic of water arenas comes up, and then several exclamations occur

[fervent orbit]

on that sunken sea one

let me propose something

how often do you go into glowing mushroom

[drowsy plank]

2

one for preHardmode, maybe twice if you go early for pots and at least once for Crab, then again in Hardmode for truffle worms

and that's it

[small timber]

I thought that was proposed before but CTRL+F didn't show

at some point I remember someone suggested a glowing mushroom biome should spawn at the border/corner of sunken sea

[drowsy plank]

that would be neat

id still rather get the navystone shell tho

it's so annoying when the thing just drains into hell or something lol

[fervent orbit]

a biome can just be a biome

[golden sonnet]

Did shell fail in voting?

Or was it from the week that didn't work

[fervent orbit]

it doesnt need to be forced into major stuff

[drowsy plank]

it was from both a week that didnt work AND a week with ABSURDLY high base star counts for passing (>200)
#suggestions-voting message

you can probably resubmit it without much issue

[golden sonnet]

Ok, might reword it a bit, but I would let to get it into dev voting at least

[blazing kettle]

holy crap three bad suggs in a row??

[drowsy plank]

3? more like 4-5

[blazing kettle]

well your sugg is sandwiched between two bad suggs so its only 4 in a row

[drowsy plank]

fair

also

huh

that

doesn't seem right but

the wiki does not list briny baron so

[blazing kettle]

where?

[drowsy plank]

on the true melee page but

🤔

who would i even ping for this

[random pasture]

No one cares about yoyos

[drowsy plank]

yoyos arent real

they're actually all part of the "devil's sunrise" subclass

[random pasture]

True!

Maybe in 10 months they will be unnerfed :copium:

[drowsy plank]

ok so they're right

briny is

just melee

[wide river]

Curious

[atomic shell]

I love yoyos make them viable outside of sulphurous grabber

[wide river]

I feel this week is going to be full of minor consistency suggestions

[drowsy plank]

i like those tbh

a lot of them end up being more impactful than you think

plus it helps the mod feel more polished

[random pasture]

"Make the mod better"

[wide river]

"Improve the mod please"

"The mod is not yet finished. This is a grave error, and must be solved."

-Someone, probably

[small timber]

ok yeah abit late but in game it is true

aegis blade left click is true melee and benefit from true melee, briny baron is not

right click both don't benefit true melee

[rugged belfry]

Recent suggestions have me a headache (except the most recent one)

[frosty trellis]

Just an average day in #suggestions-posting

[whole tundra]

Last 24 hours, 4 actually formatted suggestions that actually look good
1 infernum mod suggestion
2 balance suggestions
2 joke suggestions

[drowsy plank]

finally got around to adding this after thinking about it because

yeah i fucking hate when two items drop from a single source only to exist as components for another item later down the line

like mimic drops instant upgrading

at least they have different individual upgrades... tho that's mostly just star cloak

[golden sonnet]

I mean, mimic drops are used in a bunch of items individually, it's just that most of them are bad

[drowsy plank]

i still think it'd be cool if the mimic upgrades were pushed to at least Post-1 mech so that the items themselves were seen as more than just crafting components but whatever

[worldly sparrow]

jesus these suggs today just suck

[hollow shell]

I'll, get to that eventually
I'll find when all the specific dates were

[north oracle]

1/5 based suggs

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Astral Grass Drop Hay]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@gaunt tiger - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Calamity's raunchy/inappropriate NPC quotes not appear when blood and gore is set to off]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

good suggestions

[gaunt tiger]

this is a W

😄

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Post-DoG Class Accessories Not Follow The "15% Damage/5% Crit Formula"]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

W

[grave zinc]

@cobalt heath - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[**Make yharon have a shield as his 1st health bar]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[gaunt tiger]

HUGE Ws today

aw

I spoke too soon

[grave zinc]

@ripe owl - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename the Cnidrion]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

that's a cool sug
not a W sug

[ripe owl]

Yippee

[ripe owl]

How dare you

[north oracle]

one above yours lol

yours is just a "why was this ever an issue" sugg

[gaunt tiger]

I feel you

rip cnidrion

[drowsy plank]

truly shocking

[ripe owl]

Because it's
Guh

[drowsy plank]

diedron

[ripe owl]

Imagine if you show someone a cactus and they call it a tree

[north oracle]

apparently cal devs can't name creatures correctly

[ripe owl]

Well now they might

[north oracle]

we hope

[drowsy plank]

overall pretty solid batch
idc much about the yharon shield but that one kinda sucks to have not passed but w/e

[fervent orbit]

idk man might still not be implemented

[drowsy plank]

[north oracle]

first 2 should just instantly be added, cnidrion should've been named correctly from the start, and the shield thing would be awesome

[gaunt tiger]

sunken sea update can we have a new thing called cnidrion

[ripe owl]

You meant last two?

[fervent orbit]

no????

[north oracle]

no, the first 2 there should just be added into the game right away

thelast 2, cnid should've always been named correctly lmao, and the healthbar shield will need proper implementation but it could be really awesome

[golden sonnet]

shield is functionally identical to a second health bar and doesn't make sense with lore

[north oracle]

yeah, it's a weird thing to have
it would be incredibly awesome for the implementation to just be "you kill him but he's a phoenix so fuck you"

[golden sonnet]

He takes a long time to revive in lore

[hybrid steeple]

erm acktyually

yharons second phase is meant to be him using all of his power, almost burning himself up in the process

i like the sugg specifically in regards to stips idea about it

where yharon would have a normal healthbar and a glowing gold healthbar beneath it

kind of like ultrakill boss bars

but

[gaunt tiger]

kingdom hearts overhealth would be pretty gamer
to denote phases

[bright crag]

^

I'll propose my idea

Somehow I didn't see the suggestions arrive in dev

[rugged belfry]

All of the recent batches for accepted suggestions are very good ideas

[rugged belfry]

Sometimes, game functionality is more important than lore.

It's easier to understand that he has two phases if it's a shield bar rather than a separate bar entirely.

[dull kite]

noooo cnidrion

does this mean no more seahorse scrutiny

[novel belfry]

wh

oh

[ripe owl]

Cnidrion =/= Seahorse

So we might instead get more seahorse scrutiny

[cobalt heath]

I KNEW IT

[oblique geyser]

What happened to my suggestion

It didn't get sent even though it was above the threshold because bot bug and now ???

[oblique geyser]

for this one they should just remove them outright

[gaunt tiger]

fabsol try to be based challenge (failed)

[cobalt heath]

I dont think thanks the full reason

Cus coding a full new system for 1 boss is kinda

[gaunt tiger]

the code for multiple health bars would be useful on other bosses for phases

[cobalt heath]

Its lots of work

[gaunt tiger]

but infernum did it first, and iirc that means the cal team won't end up doing it

as I said
fab try to be based challenge

[cobalt heath]

Yyeeeeeah but my sug was worded In a way that its ONLY yharon

[gaunt tiger]

it'd be useful code to have

[cobalt heath]

But again

[gaunt tiger]

useful UI too

[cobalt heath]

Lots of work

So I get it

I hope they figure out something for the New yharon

Cus rn its not fine

[gaunt tiger]

I hope they add phase health bars

someway somehow

[cobalt heath]

What i Hope to hear is how the votes went

[gaunt tiger]

votes for what

[cobalt heath]

The sug

They get voted on the dev server

Its not like fab chooses what happens

[gaunt tiger]

dev server voting is very much not the same as crowd voting

[cobalt heath]

Stip will prolly tell

[gaunt tiger]

I do agree with this tho

[cobalt heath]

From what I understand its the same system as In the art server

[gaunt tiger]

aye

[cobalt heath]

So it needs a 60% majority

[gaunt tiger]

I've heard so many weird takes on the yharon fight in general

[cobalt heath]

Ill ask stip later

[gaunt tiger]

that idek what the reason it didn't pass is

[cobalt heath]

Yharon has been the greatest in the past

But rn

It hasnt aged

[gaunt tiger]

the main weird take is the whole "it's unfair for bosses to heal" one
which let's not restart rn please

[cobalt pewter]

to be fair, a form of shield HP code is already there in vanilla

(pillars)

[cobalt heath]

Yea and I did bring it up

In the sugg

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[cobalt heath]

But it works very differently

The condition is mob kills, not damage

[cobalt heath]

The issue is that it is indeed unfair

Think of Sister friede In ds3

It is fucking bs having to go trough 3 health bars

[drowsy plank]

i am bringing up the fact that empress rematch has a shield healthbar

so this is totally possible programming wise

[gaunt tiger]

the hill to die on is not yharon

that's my opinion of why it didn't pass

¯_(ツ)_/¯

cog does that sugg look ok

[blazing kettle]

everytime i see a sugg like this, it makes me think of a specific binding of isaac mod that literally does this with a terraria themed healthbar

though i guess that doesnt apply to the calamity healthbar

[gaunt tiger]

the current "calamity" health bar needs to be scrapped anyway

one of the few assets that is just stolen

just straight up not theirs

[blazing kettle]

i prefer the vanilla healthbar anyways

[gaunt tiger]

don't we all?

[blazing kettle]

i like the novelty of the calamity/MGR healthbar but its hard to look at

[gaunt tiger]

it's novel, but hard to read and clashes with the rest of the UI

[blazing kettle]

not design wise but like literally i cant look at it at a glance

[gaunt tiger]

it doesn't mesh well with the art style of the game

the specific shade of orange and the lack of borders are an issue contrast-wise

you should do a sugg about that spark, since I've just gone and wasted mine

[blazing kettle]

i propose there shoukd be a resprite, keep it similar to the mgr one but make it more in the terraria style

[gaunt tiger]

tbh the MGR health bar works in MGR for other reasons

[blazing kettle]

i should make a sugg but i personally am very bad at composing my words for just one paragraph

[gaunt tiger]

I think scrap what we got rn

[blazing kettle]

its fucking weird, i can do well with short messages and essays but just one is hard

[gaunt tiger]

the font especially, fuck me is that font hard to read at a glance

[gaunt tiger]

hey that's what this channel is for

[blazing kettle]

fair

what is the "calamity style" healthbar called? i forget

[cobalt pewter]

mgr bar

[blazing kettle]

really?

[cobalt pewter]

like it's straight up mgr HP bar

[blazing kettle]

okay

[gaunt tiger]

wyt about these health bars, just as a sample

(this is more a personal interest question lol)

[cobalt pewter]

there's a mod that roughly does that

actually

not mod

a texture pack

for vanilla hp bar

[blazing kettle]

the kingdom hearts one sucks imo

[cobalt pewter]

it cuts to around 10% HP (?)

[gaunt tiger]

the kingdom hearts one works for the game it's in

something something stagger
but not in terraria I agree

[vagrant spindle]

shrimply get infernum

[gaunt tiger]

yeah ik but that is no longer in development so we gotta hope that regular calamity introduces some of that stuff

(for reference)

[halcyon zealot]

Is it a touchy spot to suggest infernum-like features for Calamity

[cobalt heath]

@bright crag sorry for ping but can you tell how the votes went on the yharon shield sugg in the dev server

[gaunt tiger]

there's only one way to find out right

[halcyon zealot]

lol

[gaunt tiger]

assuming that the devs are reasonable people, they will surely want to implement good ideas no matter what other mod did them first

[cobalt heath]

I don't think it's due to infernum

[gaunt tiger]

your suggestion, no

my suggestion yes lol

[cobalt heath]

oh that

ye I hate that you just kinda have to know

[gaunt tiger]

it is annoying yea

[cobalt heath]

knowing fab they will prolly like the idea

cus they hate unclear shit

w bosses

[gaunt tiger]

I hope so

[cobalt heath]

main reason why yharon revive was killed

cus it was unclear for first time players

[gaunt tiger]

RIP darksun tier tbh

[cobalt heath]

I am glad it's gone

fucking hated the yharon

[gaunt tiger]

there's way too much fucking chaff in HM and post ML

[cobalt heath]

''Nah you almost killed me but ur not good enough''

[gaunt tiger]

didn't he just retreat

a rematch is a classic way to amp up the tension idk

and it also made there not be just a single tier with 10000000000000 items in it

[cobalt pewter]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2440195912

[gaunt tiger]

that's not really what I meant

but sort of

[gaunt tiger]

I mean something like this

almost exactly like this, even : )

[dull kite]

sounds like a cool idea but dont most (if not all) bosses have either clear phase change animations or at least something to let you know (i.e duke fishron, eoc, plant, hive mind)

[small timber]

why not just

[dull kite]

also a fixed hp value for phase changes

[blazing kettle]

i just cant write it down auughh

[crude geode]

not all of them

[dull kite]

patterns in their attacks (such as duke fishron’s final phase dashes or (may be inaccurate for current update) old hallow providence in malice) as well

wait really

[blazing kettle]

i will just get back to it tomorrow

[crude geode]

Yharon would be the prime example off the top of my head

[dull kite]

if u dm it to me i can try and help condense if u dont mind

oh well fuck yharon

[blazing kettle]

its almost 12am i need rest

im low on my writing juice

[crude geode]

[dull kite]

i do think its a viable idea though i’m just not sure how it would be received versus the phase changes happen at certain hp values thing

[crude geode]

could you not just have. both?

[dull kite]

of course you can lol

[crude geode]

yeah lmao

[dull kite]

im not against it at all even though the former nohitter in me wants to say learning issue

justa learn the boss🥸

[crude geode]

just because the game is a wiki game doesn't mean we can't give the player more info naturally

[dull kite]

clearly if you fight the boss a hundred times youll either learn the patterns or you suck, duh

me, i just suck

[crude geode]

Yharon is one of the bosses of all time imo

[drowsy plank]

segmented health bars is good
one other thing i like cal bar for over vanilla bar is SOLID NUMBERS

[north oracle]

i like that

that's a good idea

[dull kite]

i thought the vanilla bar had a number now

unfortunate.

[drowsy plank]

one of the many reason i used classic style health even in 1.4 is bar style didnt have numbers for the LONGEST time

player health does now but idk about bosses

[dull kite]

i nohit everything in july of 2018 and gave up at yharon because it was no fun and then i Never finished

[drowsy plank]

and i think there IS a mod that adds it but it doesnt look as clean as cal style

also the percentages are nice, very clear, very clean as well

[dull kite]

i cant use the new health bars they SUCK because no numbers

[crude geode]

cal's health bar has a lot of nice things about it

except the aesthetics

[drowsy plank]

cal bar is much less intrusive too, much like how i usually fight with either map overlay or no map at all

losing the bottom (hp bar) or top right corner (map) of your screen for a fight is ass

[dull kite]

are there plans to rework or add health bars

[drowsy plank]

i think so

but im really not sure atm

[crude geode]

Cal's boss healthbar aesthetic is still just stupid mgrr copy right

[dull kite]

yeah i think

mgrr healthbar my beloved

[crude geode]

my beloathed

prepare to fistfight

(It's an ancient relic of the mod that doesn't really fit with newer ui things, now that we have examples of actually fitting ui like the draedon stuff)

[cobalt pewter]

cal can make a solid number HP bar without resorting to outdated graphics

(delete MGR hp bar)

cal should just make a separate HP bar style (that is BASED) and make the MGR one legacy if they're so resistant in keeping it

[ripe owl]

True

Facts

Absolutely

[halcyon zealot]

agreed

[unique frigate]

Honestly

Maybe Calamity should add tree types

And each fruit actually has a purpose, like different effects

Maybe each fruit from a tree could give minor buffs, and 1 mild potion effect from a herb that grows in the specific biome

[lilac fulcrum]

uh oh

i'm not clicking on tha

[random talon]

Help I need advice on if my suggestion is good enough to post officially

It's to make the Onyx Excavator Key use Draedon Power Cells

does that sound good?

screw it, imma just post it

[north oracle]

Do you have reasoning for that?

[random talon]

I've heard complaints about it being "ToO oP," and I thought this was a fair solution

it would also make sense, seeing that other Draedon things require power cells

in addition, it would help newer players to know to grab a charging station

[north oracle]

First couple make sense

Don’t you need to find the onyx lab first to get it? And that’s hard to find without a seeker, which needs to be charged to be used iirc

[random talon]

good point, though there is the very real chance that a player will find the lab without any seeking

like I did the first time I saw the drill

[north oracle]

Yeah
I’d leave the last bit out, but post it and see what others have to say

[random talon]

ight

ok it's posted

[bright crag]

0x6
Though I didn't get a chance to vote nor had I mentioned the golden HP idea
(I mentioned after the vote was finished)

[cobalt heath]

Ty

[cobalt pewter]

not sure about this onyx sugg

i mean is adding annoyance gonna magically nerf the thing

[random talon]

yea

y'know, this suggestion is more on behalf of my brother so he'd finally shut up about it being "tOo Op!"

meanwhile he uses Fargo's Mutant

I decided to just delete the suggestion

I'm currently watching someone fight the old SCal automated on a minecart

[ripe owl]

MrJFL?

[random talon]

wdym?

[ripe owl]

This message

[random talon]

oh I see

off topic

sorry

[ripe owl]

Uuuuh

MrJFL is a name of the channel that did something like that

He's not a mod in here

[random talon]

I saw that he was a user

[ripe owl]

Lmao you really thought I'd call mods right now?

[hybrid steeple]

wulfrum excavator,,,,,

[gaunt tiger]

No more bosses in phm please

Phm is the best paced bit of the game atm

[hybrid steeple]

when the sugg is high effort

[swift wharf]

EXCLAMATION REACTED BY BLAST AND

NUH UH????????

[gaunt tiger]

O7

[swift wharf]

@tribal escarp boss suggestions aren't allowed

[gaunt tiger]

If anything I think the game will benefit from subworlds and new biomes slowing hm and pml down

[undone cedar]

pre hardmode has plenty of bosses, it definitely does not need more

[swift wharf]

i'm more baffled about nuh uh

i'm flabbergasted

[undone cedar]

besides the Evil Bosses 2, the boss progression is pretty solid in pre hardmode

[swift wharf]

also play calamity remix if you want a wulfrum boss or smth

when the shitty scrap robots only meant to be relevant in the pre-game are only relevant in the pre-game

[undone cedar]

some content doesnt need a boss

[swift wharf]

exodus zombie boss

[undone cedar]

so true

wulfrum boss really would be an exodus moment

[stable kiln]

eclipse more like stuoid

[undone cedar]

stuoid.....

[stable kiln]

nooooo don't exclamate me

[swift wharf]

nuh uh is a legend

[tired haven]

That's cool and all but where is my shadow diamond crawler boss?

[ripe owl]

What the fuck is Calamity Remix, why can't I find it on Spotify and where can I listen to the original?

[swift wharf]

https://open.spotify.com/album/5eOvxh5jNIvfzqRPCFc3Lm

how do I remove embed 😭

[stone bloom]

I was reading through the suggestions and i got reminded bottles exist. Would implementing essence of eleum sunlight and havoc in a bottle as a decoration be too much or nah

[ripe owl]

That's not Calamity that's Black Reliquary

Banished

[swift wharf]

it's calamity

[tired haven]

its ip grabber

[swift wharf]

😈

[swift wharf]

that sounds really easy to code

you just need good reasoning

[tired haven]

And a spriter

[ripe owl]

There is no track called Calamity

Banished again

[swift wharf]

im the moderator

[tired haven]

mod abuse awghwh

[ripe owl]

I'm gonna call older moderators or admins

[stone bloom]

You can make a nice little soul and essence collection since you can do it with the vanilla souls.

[swift wharf]

😇

[ripe owl]

Anyway suggestions

[swift wharf]

mmm yea i think it is fine to suggest that

[stone bloom]

And the essences function as more flavored forms of souls of night/light

So it kinda just make sense

[tired haven]

Do souls have bottled forms? I only remember putting them in item frames

[ripe owl]

Now they do

[tired haven]

Huh, the more you know

[ripe owl]

And they look pretty

[stone bloom]

Yeah

[swift wharf]

ew fandom

but they do yea

[stone bloom]

I know

Ill write out a post

[swift wharf]

mayb you could even do it with ruinous souls and yharon soul fragments

[stone bloom]

GENIOUS

Maybe not the yharon one

[ripe owl]

Maybe

I personally wouldn't

[swift wharf]

jaron in a bottle

[stone bloom]

Thats just gonna make jar jokes about yharon

[ripe owl]

Bottleon in a jar

[stone bloom]

Though making a terrarium yharon soul fragment and having it just hovering around would be kinda neat

[ripe owl]

"You are too late Sonic! I have encased the whole planet Earth in a glass sphere!"

[cobalt heath]

oh boe a person who clearly read the rules seeing the format and still fucking did a boss suggestion

[kindred skiff]

The community remix mod exists

[swift wharf]

julfrum excavator

[stone bloom]

Juulfrum

[kindred skiff]

ulfrum jexcavator

[stone bloom]

Wulfrum boss be like: gets hit once, dies

[random talon]

[ripe owl]

"Haha you can't defea-"
"SYSTEM MALFUNCTION: PARADOX DETECTED"
"SELF-DESTRUCTION BEGINS IN 3... 2... 1..."

[random talon]

but honestly, the game puts a pretty big magnifying glass on Wulfrum even though it's basically useless

[stone bloom]

Does it

[random talon]

with footnotes, descriptions, all kinds of stuff

[stone bloom]

Maybe its because i played before the little notes

But ive never felt like wulfrum was that important

[random talon]

there seems to be a lot of lore hidden in there

even tho it's just lame

[stone bloom]

Not really SIGNIFICANT lore but i suppose

[random talon]

Ik

that's what I meant

[swift wharf]

wulfrum runs on arduino

[atomic shell]

i want john wulfrum NOW

[ripe owl]

No you don't

[atomic shell]

don’t tell me what I want

[random talon]

the fuel for Wulfrum is red Gatorade mixed with motor oil

[atomic shell]

[atomic shell]

mmm

[random talon]

with a hint of lemon juice mixed in

for that extra punch

[stone bloom]

I hope my suggestion is well written aha

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message
Does this really need voting?
It should just be placed ingame right now

[cobalt heath]

sadly, it does

[grim tusk]

@fallen heath the “Self Explanatory” is a bad suggestion practice. Rest is fine

[fallen heath]

Oh okay, thanks

[dense ferry]

Wulfrum Boss

I'm not even going to explain why this isn't allowed but Pre Hardmode lacking in Bosses???

There are already way too many

[swift wharf]

we already explained

[ashen warren]

evil bosses but again:

[dense ferry]

Yeah, that's why

[stone bloom]

It does. People need to actually care enough about the consistency to want it

Really made a suggestion that like 2 people would probably use but its okay.

[bright crag]

^
Pre-Hardmode is fairly contained in its power creep, which means tiers are less spaced out in quality
We already have too many bosses to properly space out their challenge and drop quality as noticeably higher than the previous tier
Evil-1 and evil-2:

[stone bloom]

Gives you aerialite statigel AND hellstone within 10 minutes like a boss

[whole tundra]

I agree that Pre-Hardmode already has too many bosses but, its extremely short.
You can literally take out Wall of Flesh withing 30 minutes of starting a run due to how weak and fast the game is at that point.
It doesn't lie in the bosses, its just mainly getting the tools that takes so short.

[swift wharf]

I mean

[stone bloom]

I will remind you that a starting calamity player will prob take a good bit to go through pre hardmode

[swift wharf]

If you speedrun to the last prehm boss it won't last very long

It does lie in the bosses with the main offenders being the evil bosses

[whole tundra]

On my first run, i completed Pre-HM in like, 45 minutes

[stone bloom]

Also the average player isnt just gonna skip prehardmode to fight the wall of flesh

[swift wharf]

that's on you

[whole tundra]

Hardmode took me a total time of 30 hours

[cobalt pewter]

truly the best solution here is to remove most of calamity's bosses

[swift wharf]

replace every boss with grinding for the next material

[stone bloom]

As much as I believe that you should be able to fight yharim as soon as you start the world. Most people arent gonna be doing that

[swift wharf]

one demonite bar needs 100 gold bars

[whole tundra]

There should be more to do in pre-hm in terms of exploring and getting weapons as they're just made so simple to get that it just kind of ruins the whole experience of exploring

[swift wharf]

again, if you skipped to the last boss that's on you

prehm has a shit ton of content

[stone bloom]

The whole point of pre hardmode is to explore and get shit

[swift wharf]

because the game is not just fighting bosses

[stone bloom]

Its meant to be simple because the game basically hasnt started yet

[swift wharf]

yea

prehardmode is like the most well structured point in the game imo

ignorign the boss shenanigans

[bright crag]

Agreed

[dense ferry]

Same

[swift wharf]

and the most fun

open tmod
create new world
kill ks
not play terraria for one month
repeat

[rugged belfry]

Very true

[random talon]

on a related note, thx to the devs for making Hardmode less linear

[rugged belfry]

Remove hardmode

[bright crag]

You know, I hope Evil-2 becomes a bit more challenging and definitely more dramatic
It's not very clear, but you are killing the bulk of the decaying godly essence

[random talon]

[swift wharf]

hardmode isnt that bad because it still has the entirety of vanilla hm to back it upp

[bright crag]

And once Aerialite rework comes out, you'll probably understand the impact it has

[swift wharf]

but post ml has nothing rn

[stone bloom]

Killing evil boss 2 should remove the 3/4 of the evil biome methink

[swift wharf]

other than like
abyss and acid rain 3

[bright crag]

Ehh

[random talon]

Imagine an endgame item that can stop or even reverse the spread of Corruption/Hallow

[dense ferry]

I think I did a good job at making them feel more special with the Bestiary

[swift wharf]

i mean the only "problem" with hardmode is that you're not exploring you're revisiting the areas you already went to

[rugged belfry]

Mechs are still my favorite bosses because of how they give the player choice in the direction they progress

[random talon]

oc not in calamity

[stone bloom]

Its called playing with the mod that does that or journey mode

[bright crag]

Yes, I think you did

[dense ferry]

Thanks :D

I should send you what I did with the Hive Mind Minions tbh

[stone bloom]

I cant wait to see it becca!

[swift wharf]

i mean you could make evil 2 the epicest bosses ever but placement purgatory

[random talon]

the Hive Mind in Infernum is cracked

[swift wharf]

but like changing lore and impact first rather than placement is potato potahto

[stone bloom]

If only it wasnt tied to aerialite

[bright crag]

That's the problem of being in pre-HM
And now, we can't really move it since Aerialite

[fervent orbit]

rewrite the lore to be about a random crab who got infected by shrooms

[stone bloom]

Ight hear me out. Evil 2 and aerialite for post ml

[random talon]

...

[stone bloom]

Terrible idea)

[bright crag]

If it was in like, post-ML, you'd probably notice the leap in boss power/difficulty
But it's in pre-HM so bosses are almost on the same level

[stone bloom]

Its so hard to suggest any changes because of aerialite 💀

[dense ferry]

I think the Evil 2 Bosses are in a nice place currently

[stone bloom]

Deadass feel like youd have to kill statigel or aerialite to change anythijg

[dense ferry]

They would work better if they had more buildup and actually seemed like that massive enemy you fight at the start

[fervent orbit]

theyd be better if they literally werent next to evil1

[swift wharf]

how

[fervent orbit]

you fight 2 evil bosses in the row

[swift wharf]

you kill a corruption boss to immediately kill another

[fervent orbit]

oh wait ur talking to rebecca

[stone bloom]

Tbh and again if it wasnt for aerialite id say evil 2 could be the exact same tier as evil 1

[swift wharf]

yeah

[dense ferry]

Yeah I don't like that tbh, but it is what it is

[swift wharf]

they're right next to each other

and that is bad

[stone bloom]

Just make evil 1 drop 1 material for the crim/demonite and evil 2 drop another

[bright crag]

What can we even do? :p

[dense ferry]

If possible I would like to move them to Post Skeletron

But that's not happening

[royal tapir]

Remove Eater of Worlds and Brain of Cthulhu

[fervent orbit]

but theres also sg

[swift wharf]

move them to early hm- oh wait no

[dense ferry]

TRUE

[bright crag]

Funny armors

[swift wharf]

BASED CIT

[stone bloom]

Yknow what just throw the entire hive mind in post plantera dungeon

stuff it in the biome chest and call it a day or some shit idk

[bright crag]

I think Evil-2 need to be more menacing
Their fight should be harder, to a point where you can't just jump from evil-1 to evil-2 without hesitation
They should feel like major looming threat that, when vanquished, severely weakens the grasp of evil onto the world

Thing is

How to make it harder
While still making it easier than Skeletron?

Welcome to pre-HM

[rugged belfry]

What is evil 2

[stone bloom]

Hive mind or perforator hive

[bright crag]

Hive Mind/Perforator Hive

[dense ferry]

Hive Mind and Perforators FUCK

[rugged belfry]

Haha Sol wins

[royal tapir]

Double snail

[stone bloom]

Youre too slow 👍

[random talon]

🐌

[rugged belfry]

Actually I win cus I figured it out before Sol replied 🤷‍♂️

[stone bloom]

👎

[swift wharf]

even if you make them harder they're still evil boss back to back

unless you extend the gap

[dense ferry]

Say what you want but I think that the Cysts should spawn the thing straight up if you pass through them

[stone bloom]

Ight heres the move

Get rid of skeletron

[fervent orbit]

proof?

[stone bloom]

No one likes skeletron.

[dense ferry]

But to compensate make them not spawn until EoC has been defeated

[stone bloom]

Ez fix

[swift wharf]

or nerf evil 1 to like eye tier and make evil 2 post bee or smth

[rugged belfry]

Telekinesis

[fervent orbit]

buff crab

crab is lacking

[rugged belfry]

evil 2 post-skeleton done

[swift wharf]

CRAB SHOULD BE BEE TIER

[dense ferry]

God no

[swift wharf]

god yes

mush vs jungle boss

[rugged belfry]

Crabulon should be harder or more obviously a part of the game

[swift wharf]

smiling imp

[rugged belfry]

I always forget abt it

Only didn't recently cus of a cal whip recipe

[dense ferry]

Bro Crabulon is an EARLY GAME BOSS

[stone bloom]

I love crabulon but man he does feel so out of the way

[rugged belfry]

Fr :(

[stone bloom]

Revengeance upgrade tho atleast

[swift wharf]

simply make buff it

[rugged belfry]

Or buff the drops

Make it more worth it

[bright crag]

I mean, that's the purpose of making them harder
We can't change the position of either evils, just put disconnecyed bosses like Crabulon between them

[swift wharf]

make it the alt bee

[rugged belfry]

Mmm

Yes

[dense ferry]

I think Crabulon is perfectly fine as it is it just needs the Decapodita Sprouts to spawn naturally

[rugged belfry]

Jungle and mushroom are already connected so that would work

[tired haven]

Most of the drops already last until like skeletron 🤔

[fervent orbit]

fungicide

[dense ferry]

We don't need to move Crabulon

Period

[swift wharf]

like have
ds and ks
eye brain eow
bee and crabulon
hive mind and perf
skeletron and slime god

[rugged belfry]

I like this

[swift wharf]

deerclops is not a boss

[fervent orbit]

agreed

[rugged belfry]

Deerclops is an event

Sorry

[dense ferry]

I don't.

[stone bloom]

Deerclops isnt in terraria

[tired haven]

crabulon is more of a boss than deerclops, yeah..

[rugged belfry]

Too bad I'm awesome

[swift wharf]

your opinion doesn count

[stone bloom]

Thats a dont starve mob

[fervent orbit]

deerclops isnt

[rugged belfry]

Deerclops is like an event since it stays when you die

Tbh

[bright crag]

Though if you do put Bee before Evil-2, you'd have two armors back to back
And a long recession before that

[swift wharf]

my progression is visionary

it's a summoner armor it's fine

[stone bloom]

Not as bad as DoG still

[bright crag]

(And you delay the other armors)

[fervent orbit]

i mean

vanilla does that

[swift wharf]

obsidian

[fervent orbit]

also its up to preference, whip vs minion

[swift wharf]

wulfrum obsidian bee statigel
looks fine to me

[stone bloom]

Vanilla does have so many random armor sets just in the same point of progression

[tired haven]

Indeed

[stone bloom]

Like who makes necro/jungle armor

[bright crag]

I mean Aerialite new to Statigel

Not Obsidian next to Bee

[bright crag]

Who doesn't make Jungle

[swift wharf]

make statigel a sidegrade

[rugged belfry]

Aerialite isn't real

[fervent orbit]

oh

[bright crag]

It lasts for the entire pre-HM

[stone bloom]

People who remember metor exists

[swift wharf]

idk

[tired haven]

Jungle is the best early defense armor, and after 1.4.4 buffs its valid full prehm mage armor

[fervent orbit]

jungle just being op af

[rugged belfry]

Meteor is just mediocre since 1.4

[dense ferry]

Yeah Jungle Armor is fucked

[rugged belfry]

Too hard to obtain

[stone bloom]

See i dont play vanilla anymkre so i didnt know they made jungle armor worth grinding for

[tired haven]

You can squeeze a bit more damage with mystic robe, but I genuinely don't care

and wizard hat nerf hit pretty hard

[golden sonnet]

I mean, it's the best post brain/eater until HM because of grey zapinator

[fervent orbit]

but

zapinator

[stone bloom]

Traveling merchant item

[rugged belfry]

Traveling merchant items 😒

[stone bloom]

Good luck ever seeing the fucking thing

[rugged belfry]

Fr

[golden sonnet]

Luck issue

[rugged belfry]

Traveling merchant everyday when

[swift wharf]

bywah just do that progression method

guaranteed W

[tired haven]

I'm not sure how I feel about eoc being on same tier as evil1

[golden tulip]

suggestion to remove evil2 bosses please

[tired haven]

It is clearly not the case both loot wise and design wise

[swift wharf]

nerf evil1 tier

the calamity hardmode rework but in prehm

[tired haven]

[drowsy plank]

putting crab and deer between evil1 and evil2 when

[golden tulip]

remove crab frfr

[drowsy plank]

also i think it would be cool if all of their drops just Died besides the rotten brain and bloody worm tooth

[fervent orbit]

no remove deer

[drowsy plank]

it'd be cooler if you just got the materials and got to upgrade the previous evil drops instead

more interesting than just "Oh boy i got evil items but AGAIN"

[fervent orbit]

shaderain is a perfect example

[drowsy plank]

it really isnt

i already explained all you would need to do is move crab and deer between evil1 and 2 and ditch the evil2 direct drops and they'd feel so much better

also evil2 would def need to be made a little harder and have slightly stronger stats tbh but i dont think that is a bad thing

[golden tulip]

why move other bosses and not the ones that are the issue (evil2)

[wide river]

Because we're at a point where moving Evil2 is harder than the alternatives

[drowsy plank]

because crab and deer are also an issue and this would be fleshing out a tier that should exist but doesn't

[golden tulip]

how

genuinely

[drowsy plank]

oh my god literally read any of this conversation

just scroll up

[golden tulip]

this convo has been hundreds of messages are you crazy

i aint reading allat

[drowsy plank]

Yes.

[wide river]

If we move Evil2, we have to either move Aerialite with it, or make it spawn from a different boss that is thematically worse than Evil2

[drowsy plank]

and rewrite the lore again

[wide river]

Yea

It's just not worth the effort

[drowsy plank]

crab and deer are both ass nothing bosses too with practically no relevance in progression so using them to flesh out a tier that cal clearly wants to exist (evil1 and evil2 are seperate tiers on class setups) feels like the best idea

and making perf/mind drops actual upgrades to previous evil drops makes them feel less

duplicative

[tired haven]

Meanwhile I already struggle to understand how one meaningfully 1ups evil tier when it gives access to hellstone which is essentially top tier and starts clashing with early HM

[drowsy plank]

💥

incredibly true

[tired haven]

it's not quite there yet, but the gap is small

[wide river]

I could see Hellstone being pushed back by a bit, but that defeats the point of unnerfing Reaver Shark

[tired haven]

It also defeats the point of hellstone when it's just evil ore 2
although, current hellstone does beat up evil crafts to tears so I guess it's same difference

clearly, one shall just make hellstone minable post-skeletron. this will not have any repercussions whatsoever

[wide river]

This will certainly not affect the trout population

[royal tapir]

Before defeating Skeletron, there is a big firewall blocking you from accessing the Underworld

[wide river]

Finally solves the issue of Bladecrest Oathsword and Old Lord Claymore being pre-Boss

[tired haven]

[fervent orbit]

demon scythe too

[swift wharf]

Clearly just hyper buff hell

Make getting reaver shark and molten gear pre-boss really fucking hard
Somewhat still very difficult after nightmare pick
Hard enough to just work for post skeletron

[random talon]

finally, I can beat Infernum Skeletron with this trick

[swift wharf]

Maybe making hell harder to explore is part of the solution

[drowsy plank]

💥 making hell harder to explore would most likely mean making a WoF arena is harder and GRAAAAAAAAHHHHH
too many issues must fix them all right now

[swift wharf]

simply kill wof

[hollow shell]

"simply look at Class Setups" is a bad argument because that is not maintained nor officially endorsed by the devs

[swift wharf]

from the game

[random talon]

lava geysers will return oh no

[lilac fulcrum]

i don't think there is supposed to be a huge gap in progression

[drowsy plank]

okay that is fair but also
why does evil 2 even exist if they aren't supposed to actually feel like a step in progression

[lilac fulcrum]

more content and choice

[drowsy plank]

wtf you mean more choice

[fervent orbit]

the choice of 1 boss

[hollow shell]

I do agree that Evil2 is really awkward and sucks
overall good sugg
It was just that tidbit I had a problem with

[drowsy plank]

fair

[fervent orbit]

maybe change class setups to boss progression

[drowsy plank]

true

[fervent orbit]

since it would directly show the problem

[swift wharf]

class setups gets renamed and fandom traffic is increased by 70%

[fervent orbit]

unlike class setups where it doesnt show any side bosses, only the main ones

[swift wharf]

[swift wharf]

byea I

this is truly a difficulty enemy with a custom healthbar and music theme moment

[drowsy plank]

so true

[stone bloom]

Commit an astralgeddon

You have to

[hybrid steeple]

evil 2 sugg

finally

[drowsy plank]

this is not my first ~~and knowing my track record probably not the last 😭 ~~

[wide river]

Maybe someday it'll get to devs

[cobalt heath]

based sug

but also there are plans, like the new armor sets to that tier etc

[swift wharf]

it will implemented somewhat before the heat death of the universe

[drowsy plank]

this doesnt change anything about post-Evil2 so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense ferry]

It does, actually

You have to consider armor bloat

[drowsy plank]

i dont mention armor in my sugg...?

sorry im not sure what im missing here

[dense ferry]

Yes, but Aerialite is locked behind Evil 2

[cobalt heath]

yeah but it clearly indicates that there will be something more than just evil 2

for the tier

[dense ferry]

If you move things around then you also have to move all the loot

[drowsy plank]

yeah crab and deer which add 0 armors

[fervent orbit]

ur still fighting evil2 with the same gear if u dont move those bosses????

[cobalt heath]

yeah exactly?

[drowsy plank]

which are also currently just before and after the tier regardless and it barely changes anything

[dense ferry]

Which could lead to a severe imbalance between the amount of gear that is unlocked in every tier

[fervent orbit]

deers items are weak enough to be evil 1 lmao

[cobalt heath]

yeah imo gb and deer should be pre evil 2

[stone bloom]

New upgrades OR molten OR statigel btw

For pickaxes i mean

[dense ferry]

^

[cobalt heath]

both get skipped rn

[dense ferry]

I don't think we should even consider Deerclops in this equation tbh

[drowsy plank]

it really doesn't? each tier usually has about two optional bosses (ex; king slime and DS pre-Eye, qb and skele pre-WoF [at least in vanilla], levi and aureus pre-Golem, duke and empress pre-Cultist [in vanilla])

also the upgrades would still be weaker than molten or statigel (100%), and would be weaker than aerialite (which could just be bumped to 80%)

[dense ferry]

That thing is balanced around Post Skeletron

[cobalt heath]

should be rebalanced

[dense ferry]

But yeah it fails miserably at that

[drowsy plank]

"balanced"

[fervent orbit]

that thing isnt balanced at all

[drowsy plank]

so yeah i mean i dont see any issue with moving it here when it needs such a heavy overhaul anyway

[stone bloom]

Tbh deerclops doesnt really have a tier

[drowsy plank]

deer is literally going to be unrecognizable to it's current form whenever cal finally decides to address it

[dense ferry]

Also I hate the idea of Crabulon being post Evil 1

You are telling me a fucking oversized crab that is literally dead is stronger than abominations spawned from the remnants of dead Gods?

[cobalt heath]

this I agree with

[drowsy plank]

Bee

[stone bloom]

Yeah

[cobalt heath]

bee pre evil 2 as I pitched

[stone bloom]

Let crabulon have a w

[drowsy plank]

me when large bee is

[stone bloom]

We need crab sweep

[dense ferry]

Bee creates the problem of gear overload

[drowsy plank]

no im saying lore wise

a big bee is stronger than dead gods

so like

[dense ferry]

Yeah that one is wack but idk

[drowsy plank]

yeah i could see a crab being stronger than the weaker remnants of a dead god

[dense ferry]

Actually the progression is

Basically the same yeah that could happen

But not Crabulon

Crabulon is perfectly fine where it is

[stone bloom]

Also tbf crabs are immortal anyways

Its close to being a god

[drowsy plank]

agree to disagree on that but it's not like that's a very necessary part of the sugg, this is more like three suggs in a trenchcoat and i wouldn't need all of them, im expecting a 🔒 or ☑️ not a ✅

[wide river]

If it's three suggestions together, then it'd have a higher chance of success (although still not guaranteed) if you sent them all separately

[drowsy plank]

a lot of crabs drops atm just feel repetitive and there isn't really any obvious ways to distinguish him
i feel like if he was moved here maybe he could get a status message about like idk "The mycelium underground quivers..." or something dumb like that at least
cause like most of crab's drops just aren't good on the evil bosses except fungicide which is just like minishark 2 and i dont feel like reworking the rest of them is really feasible

also yes you'd think that but ive sent them all individually before
i think this more sweeping version might be able to attract more people + i have other suggestions i want to make + i can only send 2 a day not three + they're all related anyway

maybe if it fails idk

[stone bloom]

The accessory is also kinda nuts

[drowsy plank]

fungal clump is one of the accessories of all time

[swift wharf]

i mean

a red shrimp is stronger than a wall made of flesh

[stone bloom]

Kinda carries the pre skeleton phase

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

an oversized bee can be stronger than the uhhh god corpse

but not an oversized crab

:society:

[drowsy plank]

a funny fish is as strong as draedon's war machines

[swift wharf]

simply add the mushroom god

[drowsy plank]

mushroom lore when

[swift wharf]

TRUE actually

the path to putting crab and qb in the same tier 😈

[drowsy plank]

[fervent orbit]

some living sand is stronger than dead god remnant

[swift wharf]

ITS SO GOOD THO just like rework uhhhh a lot of the game it's that eays

would be epic tho cuz mushroom and jungle are opposites

(everyone who says otherwise will be clentaminated)

[drowsy plank]

the way the jungle spreads chlorophyte is so weird too
like you dont realize it but if you accidentally clentaminate a part of a mushroom biome the jungle will LITERALLY start SPREADING into it like a world evil it's so fuckin weird but cool

[wide river]

This started happening with WFB recently
Our Mushroom Pylon had Jungle down there for some reason and now there's Chlorophyte growing there

[swift wharf]

what the hell

[drowsy plank]

yeah where do you think i noticed it xd

[glass arch]

its because i was trying to purify the hallow and the shrooms got in the way

[cobalt heath]

could have prolly worded it better but eh

[distant gyro]

those are in planning

none are spriting though

[cobalt heath]

oh you can just lock emoji it then

oh yeah cus I sugged those half a year ago

woops

[distant gyro]

[drowsy plank]

someone ping me when it gets into voting and ill do that

[gaunt tiger]

@drowsy plank I wouldn't move deerclops, that fight is pretty fire

move bee tho >:) it will do nothing to make summoner better I promise™️

or maybe move one of the chaff bosses to that point, like old puke

yk, following the pattern that the dried up one is weaker than the watery one

[fervent orbit]

deerclops is the opposite of fire

[random talon]

yea, the fight could use a glow up

[gaunt tiger]

almost as if-

[random talon]

it's ice

[fervent orbit]

yes thats what i meant by opposite of fire

[random talon]

yes

[fervent orbit]

totally

[random talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/935383253886570536.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[gaunt tiger]

also afaik cal doesn't change deerclops at all
source: some guy said so

[random talon]

I didn't notice any significant changes

at least in Revengance

or however you spell it

[gaunt tiger]

infernum dclops is fire
the boss has potential

[random talon]

ik

[swift wharf]

it doesnt yes

[fervent orbit]

yes he has no ai changes

[gaunt tiger]

it's not a priority atm tho

[swift wharf]

cal wiki redirects you to vanilla wiki

[gaunt tiger]

nor should it be a priority

[swift wharf]

it's a crossover boss so zzzzzzzzzzz

[gaunt tiger]

ok so

some of the best content in games is crossovers

[fervent orbit]

betsy is more of a boss than cultist

[gaunt tiger]

don't be closed-minded

[fervent orbit]

[swift wharf]

cluel

yeah but

it's a crossover

[gaunt tiger]

so what

[swift wharf]

even betsy doesnt get changes

[gaunt tiger]

yeah tahts' a loss too

[fervent orbit]

yea because every dev sees ooa and says L to betsy

[gaunt tiger]

inf betsy is really good

[swift wharf]

it isnt because ooasucks

[random talon]

then again, no one touches OOA at all

[swift wharf]

EXACTLY

[fervent orbit]

even tho cal fixes ooa

and ooa is easy af

[gaunt tiger]

inf OOA is fun

[swift wharf]

yeah cuz infernum doesnt need to care about other hundred things

[fervent orbit]

meaning betsy is very much feesible to get to

[random talon]

tho I did install a mod that makes OOA actually worth it

[gaunt tiger]

see:

[swift wharf]

infernum is boss focused ofc it changes the boss

[gaunt tiger]

the point is that just because something is crossover doesn't make it bad

[swift wharf]

ok

[gaunt tiger]

doesn't limit its potential or wow factor

[swift wharf]

so what is the point of this

[gaunt tiger]

oh someone was talking about moving dclops to post evil1

I was like no that's a waste of potential

[swift wharf]

already is

[gaunt tiger]

but they're offline so it ended there

[gaunt tiger]

blame fab

[swift wharf]

why

[gaunt tiger]

already is a waste of potential?

or already is post evil1

cos it's not, it's pre skele

[swift wharf]

oh i meant post evil 1

[gaunt tiger]

oh