suggestions-discussion

[fervent orbit]

HUH

YHARIM OLD AF

[swift wharf]

yil

not sorry f

[fervent orbit]

smh does lore not explain this????

[glass arch]

still in his prime

[drowsy plank]

peepaw jarhim

[hybrid steeple]

and he's still in his "prime"
but he'll deteriorate quickly soon

[undone cedar]

Old man lmao

[royal tapir]

"Fuck it, we ball"
insert Yharon ballin picture

[hybrid steeple]

he wont last another decade whether or not the terrarian kills him

[swift wharf]

[glass arch]

(he wont be in his prime any longer because i will KILL him)

[bright crag]

(There is a reason)
It's just not stated anywhere currently I think

[dense ferry]

I think Yharim can live for more 15 - 20 years tbh

[bright crag]

But not hard to guess

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[fervent orbit]

how can he be in his prime 130 yrs old but be dead in a decade

[drowsy plank]

yharim ate anti-death pills

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[hybrid steeple]

its either something something dragon attunement which explains why he wont last until yharon revives once he dies

or just draedon fuckery

[glass arch]

not yharon but yharim ballin

[undone cedar]

Because in a decade he will be added to the mod and then immediately killed

[drowsy plank]

yharim when cheat sheet butcher;

[dense ferry]

Ture......

[swift wharf]

yharim is actually king andrias

[fervent orbit]

did he just use scal as a boost? thats a foul

[hybrid steeple]

give yharim anti-butcher because uhhhhhhhhhh

[fervent orbit]

physical touch isnt allowed

[drowsy plank]

he kills the refs

[hybrid steeple]

important boss

[dense ferry]

One thing I hope for Yharim is him commenting about your performance in the fight tbh

[swift wharf]

[swift wharf]

inferior vessel ! !

[dense ferry]

So his dialogue varies depending on how much hits you took

[drowsy plank]

yharim giving your fight a D rank because you messed up the rhythm game section

[swift wharf]

how is he gonna talk to you after if hes DEAD

[hybrid steeple]

surely giving random bosses butcher immunity and edgy dialogue is a great idea that will improve the experience

[glass arch]

ok but hes ballin

[glass arch]

old scal dialogue

[swift wharf]

NO

[drowsy plank]

talking is a free action

[swift wharf]

[fervent orbit]

every jojo anime only watcher

[glass arch]

something something SGAmod

[fervent orbit]

if you move at the speed of light, when you talk, your speech would be delayed

[bright crag]

Honestly, this makes me super excited about Yharon's fight

The unrestrained wrath of the Dragon of Rebirth
You're fighting one of the most powerful dragons to ever live, and he purposefully uses his vitality as "fuel for the fire"

[hybrid steeple]

friday nights at funkin's or something idk

[dense ferry]

I fucking love how

THIS MAKES CALAMARI EVEN BETTER

I created the perfect protagonist

[glass arch]

going down in a blaze of glory, literally

[bright crag]

You are fighting one of the most powerful beings of a legendary race
Better yet: he has gone super saiyan

It should be epic as fuck

[sleek turret]

dbz moment

[glass arch]

dbca but canon

[dense ferry]

God Yharon vs Calamari might be her best fight

[hybrid steeple]

ough i need to write about this mod
but totk just came out

[hybrid steeple]

same for my character
i have lots of ideas for yharons fight
if i ever work up the motivation and skill to actually write anything

[dense ferry]

The beacon of a fallen era vs The star that ushers a new future

[hybrid steeple]

OUGH
thats a title and a half

[bright crag]

This makes me think about the dragons fighting Prime ML
Fighting just Yharon is already epic
Imagine a multitude of almost-as-epic dragons going full force with their powers against an alien behemoth

[hybrid steeple]

rising star symbolism my beloved
first yharim, then the terrarian

[dense ferry]

You know that scene where Rayquaza fucking blasts Deoxys with a point blank Hyper Beam?

[glass arch]

god my oc's yharon fight is going to be
fucking insane

[bright crag]

I should probably make a human OC at some point

[dense ferry]

That's something I imagine Zeratros doing to Moon Lord

[bright crag]

Zeratros Master Spark breath

(If I can, I'm definitely implying that dragons have more diverse breath weapons than just fire, in the Aerialite book 1)

[glass arch]

because they have pretty much the same origin story, pretty much everything yharon had was ripped away from him by the greed of the Gods, and literally everything Zephyros had was torn from his reality by the all consuming force that is Astralgeldon

[hybrid steeple]

top 10 catalyst moments

[bright crag]

My OC is probably gonna be a mage from the sky people

[fervent orbit]

makes sense since yknow

not all dragons are fire birds

[swift wharf]

tumblr

[bright crag]

Yeah

[hybrid steeple]

i need to think about how ascuadan's breath weapon would work since

just breathing billowing ash isnt very cool or effective

[dense ferry]

Byeah, Calamari vs Yharon is fucking perfect

[undone cedar]

Dragon’s association with fire is relatively modern

[glass arch]

wait whos ascuadan

[hybrid steeple]

dragon oc

[glass arch]

ah

[hybrid steeple]

the dragon of ash and embers

[bright crag]

Vetrasyl breathes lightning, of course

And his lightning is quite recognizable

[fervent orbit]

do all dragons have wings

[dense ferry]

The two played the same roles in history and are the most important things the two current world powers own, but in that fight, both of them are fighting as their own individuals. They aren't the Goddess of Evolution nor the Dragon of Rebirth, they are simply Calamari and Yharon, ditching it out for the sake of the entire world

[hybrid steeple]

actually that could work for ascuadan too
volcanic ash lightning

[glass arch]

actually, billowing ash could be quite effective as both a way to flee and a way to obscure an enemy's senses

[fervent orbit]

ash can just kill someones lungs lo

[bright crag]

Yeah, definitely
Any dragon capable of creating some type of haze would be a dangerous stealthy fighter

[hybrid steeple]

ascuadans salamander ass crawling up mls legs and pumping ash directly into his lungs

[bright crag]

Vetrasyl can create storm clouds, and he would absolutely take advantage of that

[glass arch]

you cannot tell me that seeing nothing but a massive cloud of ash around you, and not knowing where the dragon is but being able to hear it move around wouldnt be terrifying

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[bright crag]

You know, thinking of how awesome the dragons were
It really puts into perspective how badass the Gods were, having killed them as mere humanoids

[hybrid steeple]

but yeah ash with some volcanic lightning is

[bright crag]

Vetrasyl's ominous yellow eyes and horns

[glass arch]

YEAH

[bright crag]

He can use the clouds for stealth, blind/confuse enemies with lightning
And attack with the element of surprise

[dense ferry]

I really like how I made all of the six major Post Moon Lord Bosses be incredibly important for Calamari's journey

[bright crag]

Badass fucker

And so is the person who managed to kill him

[glass arch]

just
faint flashes of yellow in the corner of your vision, you cant tell if its just your imagination or if vetrasyl is actually there

[hybrid steeple]

ough
going into ascuadans lair to find it choked in ash, with embers drifting through it
you cant see much, but then you notice
some of the embers are moving together

[bright crag]

Exactly

The lightning is yellow too so

[fervent orbit]

now i want a dragon oc

[bright crag]

You can't even tell if it's him, one of the lightning bolts, or just the flash from the previous bolt messing with your sights

[glass arch]

same

[hybrid steeple]

i need to make more tbh

[fervent orbit]

wat makes a good dragon oc

[hybrid steeple]

i also need to write about this mod in general

[glass arch]

if i had a dragon OC id probably make it be from the abyss, or heavily related to the abyss

[glass arch]

wait hold on

[fervent orbit]

huh

[bright crag]

That doesn't make a good OC :p
In general, you should study how to make good characters in general, and it'll apply to dragons

[drowsy plank]

maybe they just used coldheart before it was removed

[fervent orbit]

should we move this

wats a good place to move this to

[drowsy plank]

#lore-discussion ?

[dense ferry]

Lore Discussion, obviously

[fervent orbit]

perhaps

[small timber]

monster hunter dragon: if it moves it probably is a dragon

[fervent orbit]

SO TRUE

this goat? yea dw about it its a dragon

[glass arch]

i need to brainstorm for dragon ideas

[fervent orbit]

lets move first

[bright crag]

#lore-discussion

[small timber]

gigantic rock monster: elder dragon
reason: "it can move"

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
I think if you were to remove the point about the sentinel phases, it might be better that way

[halcyon zealot]

I do believe one is in the workings

[hybrid steeple]

dogs 40th rework

he does though, hopefully one that makes him an interesting boss worthy of being in the final 5

[glass arch]

dog is
hilariously mid

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

there are definitely ways to do him really well

[glass arch]

the most fun ill ever have against dog is wfb when i get yhermes crystal pre dog

[hybrid steeple]

unfortunately neither cal nor infernum do them

[frosty trellis]

Infernum is absolutely not one of those

[hybrid steeple]

yep

[frosty trellis]

Infernum
Is somehow
More boring than base cal
In terms of a DoG fight

[hybrid steeple]

dash simulator

[glass arch]

infernum takes the concept of devouring gods and
frankly executes it horribly

[frosty trellis]

*Ram, byeah

[hybrid steeple]

infernum dog vfx are mid too

imagine if dog actually utilized his portals

[glass arch]

ehh kinda

[hybrid steeple]

idk how doable it would be in terraria but i think him having a heavy emphasis on tactically using his portals to line up lunges and crisscross the battlefield would make him a really distinct and interesting boss

[glass arch]

the bg is cool and some of the shaders used bang

[wide river]

Mechawiggler from Mario Odyssey

[hybrid steeple]

i mean kind of

[glass arch]

doze mods

so good

[keen zodiac]

yeah the mod is spam sadly

[blazing kettle]

i like the idea of the sugg

but like

thats a lotta work

[random talon]

I'd make a suggestion in the Infernum discord for some new DoG stuff

IF I HAD ONE!

a server to post it, I mean

[blazing kettle]

and it kinda seems similar to yharons old phase 2 thing

[random talon]

well, maybe

but the idea is there

[blazing kettle]

true

[random talon]

DoG should definitely start his Phase 2 without being at 300 mph

[blazing kettle]

we'll see if devs will like it if thia gets into voting

[random talon]

man goes into his portals and leaps out of his clothes and into his next phase like Dream

too bad he didn't install his cheating speedrunning mods

[undone holly]

I feel like the whole fight needs an overhaul, though I'm pretty sure its already planned

there are like 3 types of attacks, it trying to ram you, lasers, and fire blasts

[blazing kettle]

i mean with how fast the fight already is right now, it might be best to have 3 simple attacks

[drowsy plank]

what the fuck is this asking for

doesnt he already reappear on the beat drop

[north oracle]

the reasoning just seems to be: this would be cool, but this would be cool, and also it would be cool

[drowsy plank]

yeah also like

adrenaline??

[north oracle]

[drowsy plank]

@abstract forge you have literally next to no reasoning beyond "it would be cool" and adrenaline is something that exists so unless you want to kill it during phase transitions it would still be obvious. also oh my god can you imagine how annoying this would be for refights? and 15 seconds is nearly as long as the waiting phase for moon lord you could straight up fully heal in that time, which is not what the phase transition is for

[north oracle]

that transition is legitimately longer than how long it takes ML to appear from a celestial sigil in vanilla

[ashen warren]

That dog suggestion is trash

Bug reports would be filled with “why dog despawn”

[drowsy plank]

very true

[gilded scroll]

the cry of angry noshitters would be heard for miles

[ashen warren]

They wouldn’t be angry

It’s a free adrenaline

[gilded scroll]

gets hit as soon as DoG leaves the portal

[drowsy plank]

well they wouldnt be nohitters then huh

[ashen warren]

Lmao

[gilded scroll]

but the point still stands
nohitters wouldnt be happy because they gotta wait for the boss to come back
and they have better things to do then wait for a virtual worm to not fuck off

[north oracle]

[gilded scroll]

hey cog, can i have my name swapped to Its Lancein Time?

[drowsy plank]

oh sure

@gilded scroll does that look right

[gilded scroll]

yeah, thats good, thanks m9

[bright crag]

Not in the workings, but planned

[gilded scroll]

i wish you guys luck on the porting
on a scale of 1-10, how bad is it, if i may ask?

[bright crag]

I'm not a coder so I can't really tell you
But the coders don't seem very happy about it

[gilded scroll]

from that, ill just say around 8-10

[ripe owl]

What happened here

[small timber]

@jovial tundra zerg potion exist, which literally spawn nearly 1 hundred enemy on screen every second, even if you assume jellyfish spawn 1% out of the 100 enemy (which of course is unreasonable because it should be way higher), 100 seconds and you get the item

and you can just get a free Arctic Diving Gear from Snow Biome Lab and skip all 3 altogether, or even create multiple worlds for it

[golden sonnet]

Their suggestion mentions the lag, and brings up multiplayer as a counter

[small timber]

and if you ask, yes I hate the fact that RoD can literally be purchased too

[golden sonnet]

However, worth noting is that a suggestion similar is already in voting

#suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

and getting diving gear can be a massive pain, especially when sharks just don't spawn sometimes lol

[glass arch]

all of these but jellyfish necklace are pretty easy to get

because unlike jellyfish necklace the others dont have a 1% drop rate

[golden sonnet]

Jellyfish is addressed in this suggestion already, vote for it instead. Calamity adds an alternate way to get diving gear through trashers, and flippers are the least annoying via fishing, which calamity buffs a ton, and being able to spawn in planetoids.

[drowsy plank]

Hallowed Altar When

@jovial tundra you need to address moray eels dropping flippers at 5% and trashers dropping diving helmets at 5%

[north oracle]

why the fuck did i not know trashers drop helmets

[drowsy plank]

you know what im gonna flag it until they address this

because the only real problematic one is jelly necklace

[glass arch]

and theres already a sugg for that in voting

[drowsy plank]

exactly

[jovial tundra]

didnt realize that, so that makes the jelly necklace the main thing, so my sugg is a duplicate in that case

will delete

good info tho

[drowsy plank]

what if instead of being crafted the merchant sold different shoes depending on biome
ex; sells hermes in forest, water walking and sailfish in ocean, ice skates and flurry in snow, dunerider in desert, flower boots in jungle, etc.
maybe goblin could since he already sells rocket
idk just an idea to make getting different boots mildly more interesting than just crafting them

[glass arch]

id say skates should stay as crafts

other than that everything should be fine

[north oracle]

this is very cool

[golden sonnet]

goblin would be better as otherwise you would need weird boss requirements for when he sells boots, or you could just buy hermes first night

[drowsy plank]

as if people don't just craft hermes first night by grabbing like 5 cobwebs

just make them a lil expensive

1 gold, 5 gold, something like that

[ripe owl]

You actually need like 70

[drowsy plank]

like the starter bag already gives you enough swiftness pots to instantly craft them so all you need to do is fine like 1 good cave or a spider cave and you have them

lol

like minishark is balanced around it's price so just making them a little costly for the first night would probably be enough

[ripe owl]

It doesn't

You still need to run around and find two more potions

Byeah it still gives a good half of them

[drowsy plank]

yeah it gives over half which is still just silly

[north oracle]

you can just run around and break a ton of pots

[drowsy plank]

yeah like swifts are SUPER common

[drowsy plank]

oh can you elaborate on why? i dont really see how they're much different than flower boots

[glass arch]

skates just kind of exist

the recipe makes sense, and its not super hard to get everything for

[drowsy plank]

i mean you can say the same for most of these, i just think the recipes are lame, at least the biome thing is a bit more unique

[novel belfry]

wouldn't that be a bug?

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt what be

[golden sonnet]

The HP bar name not changing

[glass arch]

no the name changes

it just always ends with the Polterghast

so in phase 3 it would be Necroplasm the Polterghast instead of just Necroplasm

[novel belfry]

i dont know why its like that

it's been so many years, and that's somehow STILL HERE

[gray nebula]

Polter's name change is realized using the same system as town npc names

NPC.givenName

[hybrid steeple]

polter npc when

[gray nebula]

so it'd be like Necroplasm the (whatever the original NPC name is)

[hybrid steeple]

all its dialogue is screaming

[gray nebula]

Necroplasm the Goblin Tinkerer

[ripe owl]

[gray nebula]

so the boss health bar displaying it like that is technically correct

[novel belfry]

WHAT?

[gray nebula]

But at the same time i'm confused as to why it needs to

be accurate to how it should "technically" be

[ripe owl]

Iirc there's a rare chance for the Guide to have a Necrosomething name

[novel belfry]

That is quite possibly the most spaghetti code moment i have ever seen

I can't believe Iban just randomly showed up to reveal that Polterghast uses the same naming code as Town NPCs

[gray nebula]

ah

It's not intentional

[undone cedar]

Its quite odd in my opinion

[gray nebula]

I mean it's not because oh ah town NPCs, its just that its the only easy way to change a NPC's name on the fly

ok i was wrong the bossbar doesn't intentionally do the whole X the Y thing on purpose

it's just because theres a variable that does it automatically

Gomen'nasai, sumimasen i posted source code don't ban me

[undone cedar]

Banned

[gray nebula]

:(

[undone cedar]

[gray nebula]

But yeah that's the lore behind necroplasm the polterghast

[novel belfry]

weirdest thing is that Yharon also does a name change as of the most recent major update, and it seems to be fine

[gray nebula]

[hybrid steeple]

yharon, resplendant phoenix the polterghast

[ripe owl]

So true

[gray nebula]

Does it change the NPC's name or just the boss bar

[ripe owl]

Looks to be both?

[gray nebula]

damn

well i don't have the source of the version that added it

so i can't give the reason why

Might be because the name change is handled differently

[ripe owl]

Just decompile the mod lmao

[gray nebula]

or might be because it uses a custom overridingname on the hp bar

[gaunt tiger]

any plans to use the infernum helathbar in the main mod?

[hybrid steeple]

infernum is

not an official thing in any capacity

[gaunt tiger]

yeah I know

obviously

[hybrid steeple]

though i agree if cal adds a heathbar it shouldnt just be mgrr

[gaunt tiger]

go look up the infernum health bar, it's good

[hybrid steeple]

yes i know

[small timber]

imo infernum HP bar is very confusing

[hybrid steeple]

its fine

i prefer vanilla since more can be done with it for interesting phases

and you dont just see all the phases outright

[gaunt tiger]

each phase is one bar
when the bar is gold, you can't hurt the boss

[small timber]

why shouldn't it just be 1 bar with marking on it stating the phase transition?

[gaunt tiger]

seeing the phases makes phase transitions less jarring
me when,,,, when the dashes at the start of phase 2

[gaunt tiger]

visual clarity

[small timber]

instead of multiple health bar with each for each phase

[gaunt tiger]

it looks really good in action trust

[small timber]

no the context here is "you want base calamity to also use infernum health bar", therefore you need to prove that it is superior in every single way

therefore I put my opinion here: it to me is way more clunky then just 1 bar with phase indicator on it

infernum health bar to me looks like it regen to full for every single phase

and my 2nd question is why should the player need to know when bosses phase transition?

[gaunt tiger]

honestly I was just asking if it was already in the works

[small timber]

oh, in that case probably not

infernum developers are separated from calamity developers

[dense ferry]

Indeed

[gaunt tiger]

yeah I know why does everyone keep saying that

there's like 100 people in the infernum discord, guys

or, well, there were
ygm

[small timber]

because you asked and you get the answer: the developers are separated, what infernum does doesn't mean calamity will (or have to) follow it

infernum reworked great sand shark and added bereft vessel, does this mean base cal also have to make it post-Lunar event? No

[gaunt tiger]

I ask about orange juice and get a tirade from 3 people about mangoes

this really is the suggestions discussion channel

[ripe owl]

So true

[small timber]

you already got your answer: the answer is no

the people only give you additional context of why the answer is a no

[gaunt tiger]

no you try to justify the answer being no by going one step beyond the actual topic

just say "no"

[ripe owl]

Sometimes it's better to explain why it's a "no"

[gaunt tiger]

this time really was a yes/no time tho

[ripe owl]

Better safe than sorry

[gaunt tiger]

sigh

[ripe owl]

I personally wouldn't really like to deal with the endless array of "why not" questions after saying "no"

[gaunt tiger]

because the lead dev of infernum and fabsol aren't on good terms

that's the why

[ripe owl]

Who told you that?

[gaunt tiger]

heard it

[small timber]

no, even if assuming they are on extremely good terms it doesn't mean calamity will follow what infernum does

[hybrid steeple]

no its because infernum is a community modification

[small timber]

that is why infernum is an addon

[ripe owl]

Who, not where

[gaunt tiger]

some1 in the infernum discord

[small timber]

catalyst added astrolgeldon slime, even if it is a good boss doesn't mean base cal will add it to base cal

[gaunt tiger]

I don't need infernum health bar in calamity anyway, if I wanted it I'd use the infernum mod
it really was just a curiosity question, since a dev here talked about gated health bars a few weeks back

[gaunt tiger]

we're talking about orange juice, stfu about mangoes

please

[hybrid steeple]

theres this thing called a metaphor

[gaunt tiger]

yea I just used one

[ripe owl]

There's this thing called a comparison

[gaunt tiger]

😄

[hybrid steeple]

truly one of the suggestion discussions of all time

[gaunt tiger]

I love it when it rains in france (this means that someone is buying bread in kentucky)

anywho

[hybrid steeple]

very equal similarity

[gaunt tiger]

is there any reason the astral biome has to be on the surface, or could it be in space

because it always seems to eat up most of my surface and underground ice

[hybrid steeple]

well a: where the hell would you put it in space
and b: there would be no
well
space
in space

[ripe owl]

So true

[hybrid steeple]

theres not really any more room for a whole biome in the sky

which is part of why the aerie will be a subworld

[gaunt tiger]

there's not a lot in the astral biome of worth, maybe it should be smaller then

[ripe owl]

Just remove the Evil Sky Island and there'll be more space

[gaunt tiger]

or like, not land in the ice biome

[hybrid steeple]

its getting reworked eventually

but yeah it suffers from evil biome syndrome

and makes the rest of the world suffer with it

unfortunately there really isnt much else to be done

[hybrid steeple]

yeah but thats probably being replaced with something else

[gaunt tiger]

looks like the 1.4.4 patch is going to be the next major content drop
sadge

[novel belfry]

astral infection imo should've been post ml honestly

[hybrid steeple]

when the sky island lore

[ripe owl]

Wdym "sadge"

[novel belfry]

its going to be a long... long while before we get a content drop

[hybrid steeple]

porting

[gaunt tiger]

it sounds like hell to code

on the bright side maybe whip tag makes a triumphant return

[ripe owl]

1.3 to 1.4 was sure hell to code

[gaunt tiger]

copium

[ripe owl]

1.4 to 1.4.4 seems to be much less tedious, so maybe it won't take a lot of time to port

[gaunt tiger]

wait what's the "warned" role you have, zav

[ripe owl]

It's cause

I was warned

[hybrid steeple]

criminal ‼️

[ripe owl]

(nothing to be proud of tbh)

[gaunt tiger]

fair

mmmmmmm
whip tag isn't worth discussing because "it's op"

what else

universal pylon recipe would be nice

[ripe owl]

A suggestion to kill another 22 developers

[gaunt tiger]

I've been told it's a balancing concern

[ripe owl]

[gaunt tiger]

because being in true melee range as a summoner doesn't mean you deserve to do good dps 🥲

what'd be reasonable for universal pylon

luminite bars and one of every pylon?

[novel belfry]

Galactica Singularities + Luminite + Living Shards(?)

[wide river]

Considering that you'd have to kill Moon Lord anyway to get the Universal Pylon, that should be the minimum point

[ripe owl]

I don't think there is any way to balance the Universal Pylon

[novel belfry]

i say living shards cause
terra pylon

[gaunt tiger]

it's a pylon, my guy

[ripe owl]

What if I've speedran through the game and have filled like 20% of my bestiary?

[novel belfry]

maybe that's the point

[ripe owl]

Maybe at least have it some associations with the major bosses?

[gaunt tiger]

yeah like
moon lord

[ripe owl]

Like, Evil Materials + Bones + Hallowed Bar + Living Shard + Galactica + then and only then Luminite?

[gaunt tiger]

that checks out

I ain't submitting that today to it's like 4:30 in the am pm

[novel belfry]

Yanmei's Knife could be an interesting prototype for a whip rework/alternative summoner weapon group
make them have decently long cooldowns, but have the effect stay for a bit

[ripe owl]

Yanmei's Knife will probably stay as a classless weapon

[gaunt tiger]

calamity whips already exists
they just need to make tag damage work, and subtract some damage from summons to compensate

[novel belfry]

it wasn't about yanmei's, i merely used it as a comparison to what I was thinking

[gaunt tiger]

"just" but ygm

calamity whips mod is a great baseline for ideas

[ripe owl]

Not really

[gaunt tiger]

there's an acc that gives you move speed and defense when you strike with a whip

that's a nice one

[ripe owl]

Another case of "it's a community mod"

[gaunt tiger]

oh for sure

at the same time, calamity got popular by stealing ideas from other mods
and making those ideas its own

there's no need to be unique just so you are unique

I ain't making a suggestion about whips because there's no point
I was just talkign to overdone

[novel belfry]

I have that mod

[gaunt tiger]

the sticky fingers line is really great

[novel belfry]

purely because the fact that cal whips havent been a thing for a long while

[gaunt tiger]

soon™️

[ripe owl]

Have patience my friends

And it'll pay off

[wide river]

I think the tModLoader port thingy is changing how tag damage works, so whips may become easier to make in the future
Just speculation

Or at least easier to balance, anyhoo

(Or maybe not I don't know how balance works)

[tired haven]

Not with teleporters existing, no

[grave zinc]

@red saddle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make an item that prevents the cultists from spawning]

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[Emphasize Importance of Power Cell Factories]

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[Remove the biome restrictions on Providence and the Profaned Guardians]

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[glass arch]

damn was it really only 3

[hybrid steeple]

[drowsy plank]

weird week for suggs

[small timber]

pretty sure there is more, the bot just didn't show all

eg: #suggestions-voting message this one is also sent

#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message

[frosty trellis]

Yeah it didn't

I literally went to search for my suggestion because I was like "I know it had high stars" and yeah there was the checkmark but didn't get shown here which is odd

[frosty trellis]

@inland saddle Sorry for the ping but I want to make sure the three suggestions above here also got sent to dev, seeing as the bot checkmarked them but didn't send a message here verifying that it received enough votes

[oblique geyser]

My suggestion is extremely important

[ripe owl]

Of course it is

Nohitter's opinion is always valuable and important

Jokes aside, we need this change

[small timber]

"change boss rush to use death mode AI"

Hmm, but don't we already used to use speed boosted death mode AI before Malice even exist? because otherwise how can king slime catch a player with drew's wing?

Hmm

[ remove the mention of using malice AI on wiki ]

"Your suggestion has received an updated status!
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!"

[ripe owl]

Yeah it was speed boosted But not as speed boosted as it currently is

[stable kiln]

they werent sent, no

[random talon]

If the Infernum wiki is gone, where do we put suggestions for Infernum now?

Do we just throw them in the Infernum thread?

[small timber]

you dont

what is the use of suggesting stuff that changes infernum at calamity discord, they literally can't change infernum things

unless you mean the Infernum wiki

[random talon]

no

[drowsy plank]

there hasn't been an infernum wiki yet lmao

[random talon]

ok, thank you for the information

[small timber]

you can just grow normal grass and use astral solution with clentaminator no?

[random talon]

imagine building underground tho

you'd have random streaks of astral/pure grass

tbh the rod not working on Astral Dirt seems more like an oversight than anything

[small timber]

@gritty acorn the suggestion probably need to be more specific and explain what it wants:

does the suggestion want staff of regrowth to work on astral dirt by:

• making it can grow normal grass which you can astral solution
• make it grow astral grass

or something, I am unsure, never really tried to use staff of regrowth on astral dirt

[gritty acorn]

by making it grow astral grass

more efficient than using clentaminator

[small timber]

then that need to be specified in the suggestion, otherwise people will not know what you want

[gritty acorn]

and wont make it only possible post 1 mech

sec

[gritty acorn]

done, thought it was alrdy self explanatory however

[hollow shell]

Yeah this suggestion looks good

I didn't know it didn't work on Astral Dirt

It should.

[gritty acorn]

ye

[small timber]

not really, because I think many people are like me who just don't use staff of regrowth on astral dirt

I think many people don't even know staff of regrowth can use to grow grass even, often see people buy Dryad grass seed

[gritty acorn]

wanted to make an artificial astral biome next to my base for astrum deus

[random talon]

I could get behind this suggestion lmao

[gritty acorn]

and it looked ugly so i wanted to use staff of regrowth

didnt work, had to place dirt, use staff of regrowth then waste money on a clentaminator and astral solution

[gritty acorn]

lets goo

[random talon]

[drowsy plank]

Astral has a lot of weird interactions with normal biome mechanics

[random talon]

I don't blame the Astral for this one. All the other grasses don't have their own dirt block custom made for them

[hollow ridge]

A reasoning ever

[ornate slate]

no way. . . .

both of my recent suggestions have gotten this far kinda crayzee

[grim tusk]

@gritty acorn add some reasoning and we good

[gritty acorn]

alr sec

[wide river]

Maybe note how Staff of Regrowth works on normal dirt, but it doesn't work on Astral Dirt. Adding an argument for consistency would likely help out a lot

[drowsy plank]

you can probably remove the "QOL (for building):" part too

stuff like that is on the don't bad sugg practices anyway

[gritty acorn]

done

[grim tusk]

Now its excessive but has reasoning now

[gritty acorn]

hold on lol

removed 1 line that was mostly personal opinion

[oblique geyser]

is that just like a bug with the bot

[gritty acorn]

is it good now

forgot to ask again

[grim tusk]

yea its fine

[honest isle]

By the way, about the recent suggestion, I don't remember if there is any real precedent for it but I don't really mind any suggestions people have for DSO lmao so whatever, tho it does seem a bit pointless to me, I'm not gonna judge

[halcyon zealot]

[steel minnow]

You guys even use the evil sky Island?

What about just adding the aerie biome there lol

[hybrid steeple]

no one uses the evil sky island

and no even with removing it it wont be big enough for the dragons aerie

however i have heard talk about replacing it with a giant sky island, to help expand on sky island + aerialite lore

[small timber]

no I definitely use it, and it is incredibly useful

it is way easier to get opposite evil biome, especially in pre-HM

[hybrid steeple]

there are much better ways to do it though

evil island is

a relic of old calamity

[small timber]

evil island is still better than hiding it behind graveyard + blood moon or something

[hybrid steeple]

but there are still better ways to do it

[steel minnow]

It shouldn't why be so big tho, could be like Brimstone Crag, basically its space counterpart, also the core material, aerialite is very close (clouds), it wouldn't make much sense to make a subworld for it, just add a near little biome

[hybrid steeple]

it

[small timber]

the reason it is in the sky is to prevent a 2nd evil spread

[hybrid steeple]

ok

there are still better ways to do it

[small timber]

so if you want to change it, it need to be basically a material/a way to get opposite evil early, not to spawn in one

[hybrid steeple]

aerialite

is sky island material

[small timber]

unless they make it generate underground and make it isolated by not having blocks around it

[hybrid steeple]

and

yes it would make sense for a subworld???

why would the yharim arena, the final area of the game, be a tiny little biome in space

[small timber]

(I was referring to evil island)

[hybrid steeple]

mhm

anyways evil island is fucking lame and there are much better ways to do the same thing (namely making both chests generate and adding crimson stuff to like. ecto mist)

[drowsy plank]

move the chest to the dungeon and make dryad sell the opposite evil seeds in preHM considering cal lets you get opposite evil solution in graveyards now

[glass arch]

isnt the dryads shop like
maxed in cal
or really close?

[drowsy plank]

this is a vanilla thing

you just need to remove the hardmode lock

[glass arch]

oh

[hybrid steeple]

add dryad 2

obviously

[novel belfry]

i do not like ecto mist being used as an alternative to evil island tbh

evil island at the very least, should be overhauled completely

[glass arch]

or

we could just use the vanilla feature

[novel belfry]

but its boring

[hybrid steeple]

evil island should be removed

[hybrid steeple]

evil island is more boring

[novel belfry]

nah nah

[hybrid steeple]

"ooh heres a giant floating island with all the stuff you need"

[glass arch]

evil island doesnt need you to do anything
at least with ecto you need to do something to get it

[hybrid steeple]

"the clouds are made of demonite because uhhhh"

its lame

it looks bad

[glass arch]

evil island is completely free

[hybrid steeple]

its space could be taken up by something else and no one would notice

i barely even rememeber it exists

[bright crag]

It will be

[hybrid steeple]

its very much a relic of old calamity

[bright crag]

Already voted on

[glass arch]

fuck yeah!

[hybrid steeple]

confirmation

[north oracle]

[hybrid steeple]

i presume its being replaced with the main sky island like you talked about before

[bright crag]

22 x 5 votes

[glass arch]

i knew the devs agreed it would be a good idea but i didnt know it was actually happening

[bright crag]

That isn't set
Just that we'll delete the evil island

[bright crag]

Actually, it happened before it was even mentioned here

The vote was put up in April 17th

[steel minnow]

@bright crag So Aerie biome actually was that "sky biome" that GinYuH and Rover teased about a year ago?

[gaunt tiger]

aerie is gonna be a subworld afaik

[hybrid steeple]

yep

but it is in the sky

[gaunt tiger]

I just want content man

[crude geode]

No

Continue updating with terraria/tmodloader

[hybrid steeple]

every time you say you want new content for mods re-logic comes up with another update

[drowsy plank]

1.5.4.1.5.6

adds deerclops 2

[cobalt pewter]

honestly
I don't understand the giga hate for Deerclops in cal community

sure dude is rough around the edges on some parts (especially the shadow hands), but that ain't nothing cal couldn't fix (theoretically since Fab seems to have a hate boner for DClops in particular)

and some cal bosses are just Worse

[steel minnow]

True

Also people forget he's a crossover boss, not a simple ice boss

[hybrid steeple]

its a crossover boss

[gaunt tiger]

deerclops infernum is great idk about rev+

[cobalt pewter]

rev+ dclops doesn't exist

(yet, probably)

[gaunt tiger]

oh, fr?

[small timber]

base cal yes Deerclops havent have any rev (calamity) AI changes

(I think it is said at some point Fabsol hate deerclops)

[gaunt tiger]

shame

[small timber]

and now they are porting the mod which so the priority of giving Deerclops AI get shift down even more

[cobalt pewter]

yeah I don't blame them when it comes to priority

but there are definitely immense hate

idk

[glass arch]

i personally think deerclops doesnt really need more to the fight, just needs to reduce the telefrags caused by the hands

[cobalt pewter]

maybe buff the loot too a lil

but yea

[eternal escarp]

because if theres 1 small irk about something the entire boss sucks dont forget that

[eternal escarp]

deerclops in rev really doesnt need much, yeah

[ripe owl]

What about Death?

[glass arch]

death just idk give it more hands

[hybrid steeple]

i call it.........

the fogbound

[ripe owl]

Delirium in Terraria real

[blazing kettle]

not quoie a werewulfrum (werewolf wulfrum) sugg but its up there

[glass arch]

werewulfrum is a banger sugg tbh

[ripe owl]

What was it btw?

[glass arch]

ill see if i can find it

i cannot find it

[ripe owl]

Sadge

Can you at least describe it?

[glass arch]

basically a wulfrum werewolf miniboss that gets stronger as you progress

[ripe owl]

Br

[blazing kettle]

it also had a full character description and lore but the writing of a child

[hollow shell]

@spring walrus I'm just gonna delete that
(You're not supposed to suggest bosses nor jokes)

[livid snow]

Better Performance update (?

[cobalt heath]

you should read the state of the port message

[crude geode]

So true

[cobalt heath]

@spring walrus now you violate sis

Specific item suggestion

You cant suggest those things

[cobalt pewter]

@spring walrus pins pins pins pins

[north oracle]

sigh

[cobalt pewter]

and if I wasn't clear enough

pins

[north oracle]

moderators! flag this suggestion!

[fervent orbit]

[cobalt heath]

Cant be bothered to ping

[fervent orbit]

guh

[spring walrus]

Well im gonna run

[cobalt heath]

Rover will see it anyways

[fervent orbit]

this is also part of bad suggestion practise

[north oracle]

ah yes, suggestion posting rules when they:

this is literally terrible suggestion practice

[cobalt heath]

He is new

[north oracle]

formatted improperly, SIS, immediately leaves

[cobalt heath]

Give him slack

[fervent orbit]

n o .

[north oracle]

...it's still an invalid suggestion that he left instead of trying to improve

[ripe owl]

Deleted

[cobalt heath]

Done

[spring walrus]

Magic

[cobalt heath]

But read pins

[ripe owl]

(it wasn't me btw I just said that it got deleted )

[north oracle]

zavarski secret mod powers

[cobalt heath]

Also before you draft ur 3rd one you cant suggest more than twice per day

[ripe owl]

So true

[bright crag]

Reworks are content smh
Don't worry, we've reorganized the biome update order to bring the entirely new biomes closer

[bright crag]

Aerie will be a sky subworld
I don't know if it's the same as they teased, but it's the home of the Auric Dragons and where Yharim is

[fervent orbit]

when yharim is

when yharim is wat stip???

HUH?

WHEN YHARIM IS WAT

[small timber]

I am disappointed that they did not readd yharim stimulant as a mushroom drug to tease the existence of Yharim failed lore building moment smhmyhead

[royal tapir]

Clearly they just want to discourage us from taking drugs irl, what a valuable lesson being taught

[bright crag]

Where*

Sorry

[fervent orbit]

they kept odd shrooms tho

[distant gyro]

hallucinogens are not steroids

[undone holly]

regarding the key suggestion, the desert key is obtained from the Great Sand Shark, is that also too easy to obtain?

Plantera drops the jungle key, and I think QS drops the hallowed key

[timber temple]

Keys are also in shrines now

[undone holly]

that too

[golden sonnet]

Keys should be easy to obtain

10% drop from bosses still requires grinding, and doesn't make you spend hours to get mostly bad weapons that you only need for materials in Calamity weapons (a whopping 1.5 of the biome chests weapons is good, and even then is niche)

And it also allows you to get extra copies of biome chests for building easier

[undone holly]

why 1.5?

[golden sonnet]

Vampire knives work decent for healing and a lot of people like them, but I have found them incredibly underwhelming every time I use them

[undone holly]

I mean I'm currently doing a melee playthrough and they carried astrum areus and anahita

[glass arch]

desert tiger staff is completely busted iir
and i believe pirhana gun is also pretty stacked

[golden sonnet]

The other good weapon is desert tiger staff, which completely shreds deus and is not worth using outside of that. So that could also be the .5

[undone holly]

ah

[ashen warren]

I was directly talking about snow and evil keys

[undone holly]

I've only ever used that once, and it was in a mage playthrough of vanilla

[golden sonnet]

Regardless of my personal opinions on the power of the chest weapons, I still stand by the fact you should not have to grind multiple hours to get a material for another weapon or chests for your build

[undone holly]

yeah, but the hallow key has the exact same thing but with QS, but its not seemingly a problem

[ashen warren]

Vampire knives may be not op, but melee has no other weapon like that (at that stage)

Besides they are crafting material for more op weapons

[golden sonnet]

Yes, which is why they should not take hours to get

[undone holly]

I mean I wouldnt say the evil biome key upgrades are OP personally

[golden sonnet]

Having to kill a boss enough to get a 10% drop is grindy enough

[ashen warren]

Farming wall of flesh on plantera stage is way too easy even with 10% drop rate

[glass arch]

yeah have you ever grinded for community

that grind makes you realize how low of a drop chance 10% is

[cobalt heath]

that won't go trough

[golden sonnet]

You need to wait for guide to respawn, regardless of how easy it is even that is annoying and Grindy, you should not be forced to get the .01% drop from enemies

[undone holly]

I mean, so far 2/3 times I've fought WoF I've gotten the key (not complaining though)

[cobalt heath]

no one likes qol taken away

same as old weapon nerfs never went trough

[golden sonnet]

This is a reversion suggestion anyway, so is against rules

[ashen warren]

The boss that drops community is a late hm boss. Wall of flesh is pre hm

I never said it has to be reversed

just a bit modified

[glass arch]

i think wof has a much higher chance to drop the keys

[undone holly]

according to the wiki its the lowest

[glass arch]

its like 50% to get one i think

[undone holly]

all others are 33%

[golden sonnet]

Sorry, looks like keys are 33% for all their bosses

Not 10%

My bad

[ashen warren]

I don’t think it should be reversed, but a good idea would be to add the keys to mid/late hm bosses

Not wall of flesh

Which can be farmed like slimes post plantera

[glass arch]

the issue with that is what bosses do you give it too

[undone holly]

but there's no mid to late hm evil / fitting boss though

[golden sonnet]

Why does that matter though?

[glass arch]

you dont have any crim/corrupt themed boss post plantera
the last one is wof

[undone holly]

yeah, and what would you move the ice key to?

[ashen warren]

Like i said, it makes opening crimson chest super unsatisfying

[undone holly]

I mean I guess frost moon exists but thats just strange to do

[glass arch]

and you cant say ravager because thats post golem

[ashen warren]

Brb, give me some time, i’m loosing connection soon

20 min

[golden sonnet]

Ok, it also makes getting chests for builds easier though

[ashen warren]

Alright can you hear me?

I’m in a forest

[ripe owl]

No we cannot

Possibly because you don't speak, you send messages

[ashen warren]

Heh

I see your point

[ripe owl]

Yeah

[ashen warren]

Crimson key is hard to move

[ashen warren]

Why?

It’s also post plantera

[undone holly]

because having it be the only key dropping from an event

[ashen warren]

what’s wrong with that?

[undone holly]

I mean its just strange

I'd say its fine as it is

[ashen warren]

I’m sorry, this time i don’t see your point

[ripe owl]

Every key either drops from a boss or from mobs of the relative biome

And then you have the key behind an event

[golden sonnet]

Frost moon is being "moved" to post golem

[ashen warren]

ah, alr

I understand

[ripe owl]

I mean, sure, variability, but that's still kinda out of place

[ashen warren]

Still, i think crimson key should be rarer

[ripe owl]

Wait really? When?

[ashen warren]

it unlocks a very unique(for pre moonlord level) weapon which has good potential

[golden sonnet]

There is a post from a vanilla dev saying the moons are intended to be fought post golem, so calamity was going to buff their stats to reflect that

[ashen warren]

and getting a key straight after getting into hm is unsatisfying

[ripe owl]

Evil keys should have a square root of 10 drop rate from Wall of Flesh

No wait

They should have a 5% drop chance so that way you have a 10% chance of getting at least one key

[ashen warren]

That’s

3%

[ripe owl]

Square root of 10 is slightly more than three, but still, I got the probability thing wrong so now it's out of question

[ashen warren]

Wall of flesh is wayyy to easy for obtaining keys

it’s like killing king slime to obtain phoenix blaster

[golden sonnet]

Disagree, you need to wait for guide to respawn

[ashen warren]

hmm

[ripe owl]

Fargo's Souls with Fleshy Dools/Infernum with Flesh Chunk (yes I know it's not a really valid point)

[ashen warren]

Anyway

[ripe owl]

Here's a more valid point: 10x Town NPC spawn rate from Calamity config

[ashen warren]

I think now i can safely say

Mine idea was (as usual)

Stupid

Forget it

[ripe owl]

You basically already have a new Guide by the time you defeat the WoF

[ashen warren]

I removed it

Thank you for feedback

[golden sonnet]

I don't think it needs to be removed, I just personally don't agree with it

[ripe owl]

Should've left it and edited

[wide river]

What I'd really like to have done with the biome keys is just... make their base rates slightly higher, rather than just make the player have to farm bosses to get the keys

[golden sonnet]

I actually like that

[ripe owl]

That sounds about right

[golden sonnet]

Currently too much is focused on bosses

Need progression? Bosses. Need money? Bosses. Need keys? Bosses.

[ripe owl]

Hell, you can already get the Evil key once you've entered the Hardmode simply because WoF gives em like there's no tomorrow

[wide river]

Removes some of the boss-centricity of the mod, as well as encourages the player to actually farm things rather than just have everything handed to them on a silver platter

[ashen warren]

Too late now

I removed it

[ripe owl]

Just make a new one

[ashen warren]

In any event

Sorry for wasting your time

[ripe owl]

That's not wasting time, that's called "an argument"

[golden sonnet]

I think this was a good discussion, and I think Enchilada's suggestion was a good middle ground I agree with

[ashen warren]

Then they can post it

I made myself look like an idiot for long enough

[ripe owl]

You didn't

Don't worry about it that much

[golden sonnet]

I don't think you looked like an idiot at all, I just didn't personally like your suggestion, doesn't even mean your suggestion was bad

[ashen warren]

Correction; everyone disagreed

[ripe owl]

There are at least two people who have seen some merit in your suggestion

[wide river]

Out of a total of four people here

[ripe owl]

We were not entirely agreeing with the sugg but we supported the idea of keys being too available

[small timber]

I dont even think biome keys are that hard to grind in calamity

get zerg + chaos candle and like battle potion you probably get it in like 5 min?

[cobalt pewter]

uhh

[small timber]

you probably dont even need chaos candle

[cobalt pewter]

bosses drop them

[small timber]

the suggestion was about how they want to remove boss dropping biome keys

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

[fervent orbit]

this is about non boss methods now

[small timber]

(unless I misremembered, only peek like 1 sec)

[fervent orbit]

actually

@errant cradle how many biome keys have u gotten from ur farm? just wondering (just give an estimate)

hes dead

[errant cradle]

Like in total?

[fervent orbit]

oh

yea

[golden sonnet]

Smh, can't believe you pinged a mod for no reason

[errant cradle]

Over 50

[fervent orbit]

[golden sonnet]

[errant cradle]

Maybe 60 idk I haven't checked in a while

Jungle Key economy has been malding though

[fervent orbit]

"biome keys from enemies are hard to get in vanilla"

[ripe owl]

Meanwhile

[hollow ridge]

Just noticed this

[ripe owl]

[hollow ridge]

The .

[errant cradle]

i love my mob farm :)** **

[hollow ridge]

Is on the next line

[fervent orbit]

LO

[buoyant idol]

Idea: Just unlock all biome chests past their point of usefulness so you can get the materials.

[ripe owl]

It's not, there's just a space after the link

Byeah it needs to be gone

[small timber]

I think the real solution towards the best Quality of Life experience is to make biome keys craftable

so everyone can finally enjoy playing the real part of the game, like fighting bosses

[ripe owl]

Fargo's Souls on its way

[errant cradle]

BIOME KEY MOLDS

[wide river]

The discussion returns

[ripe owl]

So true

[ashen warren]

Anyway, i’m gonna leave this chat

[ripe owl]

The year is 2024...

[small timber]

but yeah, tldr I do think bosses really do not have to drop biome keys

[ashen warren]

I don’t want to make a moron from myself again

[fervent orbit]

but thats only one (1) year from now

[ashen warren]

Cya

[small timber]

but many people think otherwise so

[ripe owl]

You're fine, don't worry about it too much

[golden sonnet]

I think boss rush should drop loot, and it just instant starts the moment you join the world

[ashen warren]

easy to say

[golden sonnet]

Peak terraria

[errant cradle]

Biome Keys are meant to be rare drops so having bosses drop them kind of counteracts that yeah

[cobalt pewter]

bosses should NOT drop keys indeed

[errant cradle]

If you wanna go really far you can suggest giving Biome Keys unique methods of obtainment

[cobalt pewter]

I disagree with the chances of vanilla but bosses dropping them in cal just screams lazy

[errant cradle]

Rather than "rare mob drop"

[ripe owl]

OI OI OI!!!!!!

There are shrines

Some of them already provide you with the key

[golden sonnet]

Shrine good

[small timber]

inb4 someone suggest plantera to drop all biome keys on first death, like every single one of them

[cobalt pewter]

GOD

[fervent orbit]

jesus

[ripe owl]

We just have to find somewhere to put the Jungle and Hallow keys in and we're golden ()

[small timber]

and an instant teleporter like astral arcanum that teleport you to each of the biome chest, also dropped from plantera

[random pasture]

Yo true

You can craft a master key for every chest out of living shards

[wide river]

You might even call it...
A skeleton key
I'll see myself out

[swift wharf]

[glass arch]

a Skeyleton, if you will

[polar pine]

either people call calamity grindy or a boss rush lmao

[atomic shell]

I’d definitely prefer boss rush

[wide river]

If it's just a boss rush, then there should be other things to do outside of fighting bosses
If it's grindy, then there can be some QoL methods that aren't bosses
I just want bosses to not be the focal point of the mod, and this would be a step towards that

[atomic shell]

bring back biome key molds and just craft the keys

[wide river]

That exact idea has been brought up every single time this suggestion was mentioned
Which is funny, because I thought everyone forgot about those things

[glass arch]

if the key drops are removed we would beed to have the drop chance buffed because jesus christ 0.4% drop chance

[frosty trellis]

Nope
But
It would still make it boss dependant
Because you would need farm plant a few times for the temple keys

[wide river]

I'm not supporting the idea of making the keys craftable
In fact, I don't want the keys to be craftable

[glass arch]

or
you could craft the temple keys

(cal adds a recipe for early keys right???)

[drowsy plank]

things you could do;

• increase base drop chance
• increase drop chance from a specific mob
• decrease drop chance from bosses
• move more to shrines
• give chest weapons other ways to be obtained (ex; vampires drop vampire knives from solar eclipse post-Plant)
  -make biome CHESTS craftable

[wide river]

Yea

[drowsy plank]

yeah not that you need the key to get into temple anyway xd

[wide river]

I think increasing the drop rate is the best plan of action, in my own opinion
That way we solve the issue of biome chests being hard to come by, as well as the issue of bosses dropping the keys

[drowsy plank]

true

[glass arch]

• fargos mutant mod approach and craft the weapons

[wide river]

I can't bring up the biome chest thingy yet, I noticed
Because the only way to get biome chests is with a 1.4.4 recipe, which isn't out yet
So that part of the reasoning will have to be axed

But since the next update will be 1.4.4, that means that if it somehow passes, then that part will be indirectly approved regardless

[ashen warren]

@wide river thank you for reforging my failure into your succes

[bright crag]

Yes

Though keep in mind Zerg exists

In my opinion
The keys should be removed, they should have a chance to spawn in their respective Shrine chest, and their drop chance should be buffed

[glass arch]

cant you fish all of these

yeah you can fish literally every single one of these accessories post sg/wof

[wide river]

Pretty much all Acid Rain and Abyss loot can be acquired from fishing
The only stuff that can't be acquired is the tier 3 Acid Rain loot

[vagrant tundra]

damn really? i wasnt aware of that. i wish it would say thing like that in the wki

[glass arch]

it does

under the notes section of all of these it says This item can also be obtained from the Sulphurous Crate after either The Slime God or Wall of Flesh have been defeated.

[vagrant tundra]

lol thank thank you for that. im just so used to crafting everything especially with the fargo mod on

[novel belfry]

Remove the Flamarang and the Ice Boomerang from the Equanimity recipe

It's already odd to have two Melee weapons be used as the materials of a Rogue weapon instead of, yknow, a Rogue weapon or two. But even more problematic, the Flamarang itself has a crafting recipe consisting of another Melee weapon that itself must be crafted from... another Melee weapon.
(I need more reasoning pls)

[drowsy plank]

you'll have more reasoning in 1.4.5 when trimerang exists but for now idk

[novel belfry]

it just feels small

[drowsy plank]

argue that any rogue weapon using melee weapons as a component just shows a lack of rogue weapons for the class that already has some of the least amount of weapons in the game

flamarang could just be blazing star

wait no

blazing is hardmode

hm

[cobalt pewter]

actually I'm not sure what's the big deal is

blazing star is fine

hell just blazing star + ice star

equanimity recipe rn sucks because it tries too hard to be vanilla equivalent

when it should just Not

as long as the weapon ends up in pre mech still, is that even an issue

[novel belfry]

here
Remove the Flamarang and the Ice Boomerang from the Equanimity recipe

It's already odd to have two Melee weapons be used as the materials of a Rogue weapon instead of, yknow, a Rogue weapon or two. But even more problematic, the Flamarang itself has a crafting recipe consisting of another Melee weapon that itself must be crafted from... another Melee weapon. This should be rectified, perhaps by replacing the Melee components with new Rogue boomerangs (since Rogue don't got much weapons anyways)

[drowsy plank]

i think that's
probably fine?

[novel belfry]

k

[crude geode]

insert terra weapons here

[cobalt pewter]

so tr

[drowsy plank]

terra weapons when they have no identity of their own beyond being a reference to vanilla item!!!!1!!

[ornate kestrel]

They aren't unique

Even if you just rename it and resprite it at this point

They still hold the same concept

Also auric armor is just an armor variant of the same concept

[crude geode]

Auric armor is arguably worse

Considering it’s just the effects copy pasted instead of anything (substantially) new

[novel belfry]

at least auric is its own thing

terra weapons have the issue of intruding on the specialness of the Terra Blade

[crude geode]

Do you mean auric weapons

[novel belfry]

i mean the armor

[drowsy plank]

no the armor literally isnt

it's straight up just its components

[dense locust]

ngl I don't even really remember any of the cal tera weapons except maybe the flamethrowerr

[novel belfry]

i mean the theming

[hybrid steeple]

auric effects my behated

[drowsy plank]

i remember cosmic bolter because it sucks and also isn't called terra

[dense locust]

thats the bow right?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[crude geode]

Auric armor intrudes on every other auric thing that isn’t complete dog shit

Auric armor’s theming is also just. nonexistent tbfh???

And auric theming in general

[novel belfry]

its yharim theme

[hybrid steeple]

its gold theme

plus some blue and black

[crude geode]

It’s more whatever it needs to be at any given moment

[bright crag]

Pro tip: remove Equanimity
I'm only half joking

[north oracle]

do it lmao

[bright crag]

Auric will be reworked eventually to have original effects

[ripe owl]

I completely forgot about Equanimity on my Rogue playthrough

Matter of fact, I have instead crafted Dat Spiky Ball

I only remembered about it when the time had come to craft the Terra Disk

Oh Stip btdubz, will we see Cal Terra weapons reworked after 1.4.4 port?

[bright crag]

No concrete plans yet, but we do want to make them not suck

[ripe owl]

Yippee

[north oracle]

yk what would make them not suck
removing them

[ripe owl]

NoOoOOooOOoOoooOo! It will only make the matters worse!

Like seriously imagine how infuriated everyone will be

[dense ferry]

If we were to rework them I want something like Vanilla Terra Blade tbh

[ripe owl]

"Where is the weapon name? I liked it so much!"

[north oracle]

they were pissed enough about bloody edge and terra edge

[wide river]

"Noooo you need to have a Terra version of everything otherwise it's not a good mod!!11!!1!1!"

[dense ferry]

Simple usage but pretty and useful

[north oracle]

so true

[ripe owl]

I remember when, iirc, Thorium had a Broken Hero version for almost every class

That was a bit ridiculous

[north oracle]

wtf lmao

[ripe owl]

[north oracle]

that's a bit much

[wide river]

I remember MoR's Druid having "Broken Hero Staves"

[ripe owl]

But again, I might be wrong about the mod

[ripe owl]

Oh yeah that also was a thing

Also Also I think Terra Blade should have Life Shards removed simply because BHS is already post-Plant

There is of course no way to remove them from other Terra weapons, unless you can put the Perennial in them somehow

[wide river]

I assume it's a method to prevent players from getting it from before Plantera, since you can get BHS from Calamitas Clone
But Calamitas Clone and Plantera are already on the same tier, so 🤷

[ripe owl]

Exactly

Remove the BHS from CalClone and make it solely post-Plant

What's even the reason for her to drop the Sword?

REBECCA WHAT'S THE LORE BEHIND CALAMITAS DROPPING BROKEN HERO SWORD

[wide river]

Probably a reason that makes as sense as the vanilla explanation of Mothrons dropping them
"Mothron ate it", or something like that

[dense ferry]

I don't think there is any

[bright crag]

^

[wide river]

Yeah, according to Grox, Mothron ate the Broken Hero Sword

[north oracle]

Calclone ate it

[bright crag]

She bought them in Walmart

[wide river]

It connects back to the Walmart
The ultimate lore is when everything connects back to a single element

[north oracle]

It’s all Walmart

[cobalt pewter]

god I wanted to dig up my old auric armor rework concept

it probably doesn't hold up too well by now (outside the revamped minion summon that takes concepts of the material summon armors) but man it's probably still better than current auric

[wide river]

Always has been

[cobalt pewter]

[dense ferry]

No no

[bright crag]

Ngl it would be cool if Auric used a part of its (new) draconic theme

[dense ferry]

Clone was imprinted with Cal's memories, and she remembered that Calamitas used to buy stuff from the Azafure Walmart

[cobalt pewter]

honestly

get rid of the whole lightning bs on auric since it seems to be unrelated now

[bright crag]

There's Auric Rejection

Which is new lore

[cobalt pewter]

byeah auric is surprisingly boring despite being an endgame armor

[dense ferry]

So she went to Azafure but found nothing, not even on the exact coordinates. The only thing left from the destruction was a toy sword that was charred and destroyed, so she took it and now sleeps with it every night like a Blahaj

[bright crag]

Auric is an amalgam of mostly boring armors
No wonder it's boring and "I don't know how this works exactly, but I'll just put it on and use it"

[cobalt pewter]

"Auric Rejection" sounds kinda off to me for some reason

probably because I never heard the word Rejection being used in this manner, usually Denial

[bright crag]

It is a Rejection
The metal deems you unworthy

[bright crag]

SO TRUE

[cobalt pewter]

damn

[bright crag]

Auric is essentially draconic energy in the form of a metal
And it zaps anyone who isn't a dragon or attuned to one

The players gets around this problem by putting Yharon Soul Fragments in the Bars, tricking the metal in a way

This is why the player's Auric Bars are perfectly stable

[dense ferry]

It is supposedly a incredibly delicate proccess

But I always love to remark how Calamari brute forces her way through it

You can technically work with Auric without an Auric Soul at all, tho

But it's so impossibly difficult that the only person who ever did it was Draedon, and even then it's just not worth it for him

[bright crag]

^

Draedon working with Auric is like that image in Captain America 1

Where Howard Stark puts a laser through a piece of the Tesseract energy and it fucking explodes

[dense ferry]

Also because Draedon already made something on the same level as non-attuned Auric