suggestions-discussion

[oblique geyser]

To make it actually fun until it gets reworked

[bright crag]

I feel like the only bosses that truly warrant fixes are Calclone, Queen Bee (at low HP) and Aureus (when jumping)

[oblique geyser]

And SCal

[bright crag]

Not imo

I think she's fine

She is the final challenge after all

[oblique geyser]

But 35% is too brutal

[bright crag]

That's kinda subjective

Boss Rush in general is a awful idea for Terraria
Even in the vanilla game, the powercreep is insane enough to make the first boss fights criminally obsolete

The discrepancy between an endgame player and a starting player has to be small enough to let early boss AI actually pose a threat

And the discrepancy in Calamity is absurd

[grim tusk]

Meanwhile theres people who want BR to be like Pantheon of Hallownest by buffing every boss to be a challenge, such as a sadist solution of giving everything reactive damage reduction.

[glass arch]

which leads to situations like boss rush desert scourge having the second highest hp of any boss rush boss

[grim tusk]

And it still get oneshot by celestus stealth strike

[bright crag]

The only way to make all bosses pose a threat in a satisfying way is "simply"
Rewriting almost all Boss AIs to be completely different

[glass arch]

yeah br ds is goofy

[oblique geyser]

Challenge shouldn't be coming from telefrags and spawnfrags though

[kindred creek]

so I want to suggest a rename of tyrant yharim's ultisword and a rework of it due to the new lore. Should those be one or two suggestions?

[oblique geyser]

It's better for something to be too easy than for it to be hard for that reason

[glass arch]

both are planned already

[kindred creek]

oh, ok

[grim tusk]

Two suggestions, also planned lol

[hollow ridge]

Oh shit

Missed this sugg

Yeah I like this one

[bright crag]

Except they happen in very few cases? And it's not intentional

Calclone should be nerfed
Queen Bee and Aureus do get a bit too fast in some occasions, to the point of unfairness
BoC should just be reworked by this point, because its AI naturally leans towards telefragging in higher difficulties

And the spawnfrags aren't about the AI, but rather, how the boss is spawned

[drowsy plank]

ceaseless void style brain when

[serene tendon]

Brain (only cause telefrags, which are fixed in 1.4.4), Deerclops and Ravager are bad, but the rest are good

[night jolt]

I disagree with this notion, but in the context of Calamity it probably is

You could scale up bosses stats in relation to your power level, but considering the boss rush also includes Supreme Calamitas, a boss you literally can't fight at your own pace, right at the end, nobody deserves to slog through a Boss Rush that long only to die to her at the end

[bright crag]

Bosses aren't all about stats though

It's about how the fight interacts with the gear available to you

[ornate slate]

In boss rush i pretty much didnt worry at all about the boss fights up to profaned guardians

In revengeance

Except ravager but thats because fuck that guy

[north oracle]

Wyvern W

[fossil torrent]

@drowsy plank do NOT remove the recipe btw

absolutely not

[glass arch]

whar

the

wgat

[wide river]

I assume it's in reference to the suggestion, because it mentioned removing the recipe for the Roxcalibur
#suggestions-voting message

With the removal of the Caverns shrine in exchange for the Onyx lab, I think now is literally the perfect time to finally give this item the love it deserves, and maybe even get rid of the obnoxious and boring recipe that reduces this incredibly interesting sword to nothing more than the umpteenth craftable Hardmode broadsword.

[glass arch]

only issue with that is

its a donor item

[golden sonnet]

Didn't they talk to the donor about it

[fossil torrent]

I am literally the fucking donor

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[glass arch]

💀

[golden sonnet]

Oh

💀

[drowsy plank]

yeah fair enough

[north oracle]

i mean that works

[cobalt pewter]

br bosses should just be gigabuffed so that no one can realistically damage them

[dense locust]

real

[cobalt pewter]

[dense locust]

bring br bosses to their old health pools

while doing nothing to the shadowspec weapons

[glass arch]

99.9999999% effective DR

[buoyant idol]

All have the same hp

[dense locust]

I mean, this is just giving them rdr but more complicated

[glass arch]

no its much easier

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, just make a number and call it a day

[glass arch]

because unlike making it reactive its just a flat stick

[buoyant idol]

Give worms dr based on segments and you win

[dense locust]

true

[buoyant idol]

Make DoG only able to be damaged from head or tail to make it truly balanced

[dense locust]

just make dog a big AEW

problem solved

[wide river]

What if we just reduce all the hitboxes until they're a single pixel wide
True challenge mode

[buoyant idol]

It randomizes position every π ² seconds so you can’t consistently hit it

[bright crag]

If you don't mind the question, why have the recipe? Doesn't it make the placed Roxcalibur futile
Since you can get it in an easier way

[cobalt pewter]

failsafe?

idk it was back when everything had a crafting recipe

considering that rox is on the same layer as onyx key

which is cavern

which is stupid big

at least before the key get moved to a lab

[bright crag]

To be fair
It makes sense to have a recipe currently, because the placed Roxcalibur is really hard to find

[glass arch]

isnt rox in hell

[gray nebula]

mp

lol

[glass arch]

i could have sworn it was

i have found it in hell several times

[bright crag]

The one time I found it
I was looking for it with Crystyl Crusher

And it was in a really random place

Nice, the Roxcalibur suggestion was approved

[fossil torrent]

I will simply not give a reason

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[glass arch]

GIGACHAD

[bright crag]

That's alright

Btw, since you're here

What would you like the Roxcalibur "shrine" to be like?

[glass arch]

"please give reason"
"No" -Jav

[bright crag]

I might try building it

[ornate slate]

hope yall are ready for operation grayrock

it shall be a go

[drowsy plank]

what

[wide river]

What did the user mean by this

[ornate slate]

making the rock junk tier

lava proof

[wide river]

Oh, that thing. I forgot about it

[ornate slate]

suggestion should be up to vote in an hour

[fossil torrent]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ok i'll actually give a reason

[fervent orbit]

u wont be based anymore if u give a reason tho...

[fossil torrent]

fine

[fervent orbit]

ull be

dare i say

cringe

[dense locust]

what an acusation

I mean, come on, this is calcord, nobody here can be based for long

[fervent orbit]

my calculations never lie

[fossil torrent]

I have been based since 2018

[drowsy plank]

based on what

[fossil torrent]

facts and logic

[small timber]

I will be honest BR AI had always required mandatory upscale anyway as otherwise your King Slime will not be able to catch your Celestial Tracer

Even pre-Malice era where BR was not using "Malice AI" most of the bosses are still insanely fast

They can just fix the few that is unfair (like mention above calclone aurues etc, I dont fight BR so I cant guarantee) and then just delete the mention of Malice from the wiki and literally just say "hey it is no longer Malice AI now" people will not even care

[drowsy plank]

someone get this man a true

[wide river]

[north oracle]

ture..

[bright crag]

Hm, alright then
I'll see what I can make

[ornate slate]

operation grayrock active

make a change in the world today (tm)

[dense locust]

ohio beam weapon when

[wide river]

@simple pumice I feel like this is slightly a SIS (specific item suggestion), just because it says where it'd be obtained
It also brings the idea that it'd be crafted with Shadowspec Bars, which is a don't in the don'ts doc in the pins
I think the suggestion itself is fine, you just need to change the aforementioned parts, because they violate a rule as of now

[simple pumice]

Sorry.. my bad..

Okay

[wide river]

It's no biggie, just change those parts and I think it'll be valid

[simple pumice]

Is this better?

[ripe owl]

Yeah, a bit better

[simple pumice]

Alright

Ty for telling me that it needed to be changed

I wouldn't of realized that otherwise, hehe

[hollow idol]

one day therell be exo mech mage drops
one day

[bright crag]

Yeah, also Shadowspec is exclusively for dev items so

There's one exo drop left to make, from the Exo Twins

[simple pumice]

Normally, I would just try to make it with modding, but since Calamity's source code isn't public and since I'm only good at copying from code, you get the point lol

So that's why I thought it would be better as a suggestion

[bright crag]

Though I'm a bit concerned about making it a laser beam since Mage already has 2 laser weapons in that stage - Yharim's Crystal and Rancor

[fervent orbit]

just because it isnt public doesnt mean you cant obtain it!

N00b is not responsible for the source code extraction of Calamity Mod that is done by other users.

[ripe owl]

Aren't we all

[wide river]

We could theoretically remove the Yharim's Crystal, but it might need to stay depending on future lore development

[fervent orbit]

give yharims crystal to yharim

[simple pumice]

Well, since Exo Mechs is after Yharon, it could be seen as a upgrade the Gamma Disintegration Beam weapon perhaps?

But I get the problem you're saying

There would be too many laser weapons

[ripe owl]

Nah, it wouldn't make a ton of sense

[bright crag]

Would rather not
Especially since I think it's a Legendary

[hybrid steeple]

rancor is already the penultimate boss beam weapon

we dont need a second one

[wide river]

You are correct on the point of it being a Legendary

[gilded scroll]

think of the free content farm youtubers get when comparing the two

[hybrid steeple]

TRUE

[bright crag]

(Being a Legendary, it has planned features so... no deletion)

[hybrid steeple]

"Thanatos Focusing Crystal is perfectly balanced..."

[ripe owl]

Meanwhile Burden Breaker

[bright crag]

Burden Breaker was an RIV

[simple pumice]

Git Gudwo much?

Lol

Sounds like lots of his videos

[wide river]

That one was justified
I think it could crash some low-end computers or something like that

[ripe owl]

Well it's listed as a Legendary

[gilded scroll]

Creators get paid to make videos, people watch, perhaps more attention comes to mod

[hybrid steeple]

and duke fishron
and whoever the other terraria yters are

[gilded scroll]

we dont mention duke fishron. those videos are ass-

and i have low standards

[bright crag]

Kinda awkward

[hybrid steeple]

the hallmark of modern terraria youtube is videos that seem like they were made on an assembly line

[gilded scroll]

"zenith is a good weapon"
proceeds to use it on King Slime

[wide river]

Duke Fishron and Gitgudwo are the two egregious ones in the community
The rest are mostly tame, but occasionally some of them make a questionable video here and there

[bright crag]

Because it did have anon-rare counterpart (Determination Breaker I think), and it was formerly an RIV

[gilded scroll]

at least Git is somewhat funny

[bright crag]

Git has some useful weapon showcases

[frosty trellis]

Then theme it after apollo
Firing one of it's projectiles (Although can keep the explosive one out) and ofc have the splitting factor of the projectile after the lifespan is gone

[ornate slate]

sockrteez makes good vanilla vids

[gilded scroll]

i heard Sipho is doing a calam series as well. those are some good videos

[frosty trellis]

Sockrteez is the person for vanilla content in terms of weapon showcases and minmaxing

[gilded scroll]

i wonder what funny shit is gonna happen when calamity ports to 1.4.4?

[ripe owl]

Balancing?

[bright crag]

(Oh, it did have some plans as to what it would be)

[ripe owl]

[hybrid steeple]

i hope once calamity is Finished finished people will actually do story focusedf playthroughs

[frosty trellis]

(Oh fair lmao)

[halcyon zealot]

shimmer

[hybrid steeple]

but perhaps the community is too far for that

[chilly stratus]

I don’t dare to think about Calamity + Shimmer

Toss a damn Ark of the Cosmos into the shimmer and all the mats crash the game

[wide river]

Oh, but that would be amazing
Calamity RP Let's Play when

[fervent orbit]

[gilded scroll]

im going to do Rev + Legendary with my friends and make them suffer with me

[bright crag]

Ginormous Funny Bullshit

[fervent orbit]

if only thats how it worked

[gilded scroll]

i cant wait to see tiny Prov going at mach speed

[chilly stratus]

Tbh I’ve never played Terraria 1.4.4

[drowsy plank]

this feels like an SiS but Vetrasyl is here and seems fine with it so uhhhhhhhhhh

[wide river]

It's got some SIS elements to it, but overall it might be fine to pass to voting
Just my opinion though

[hybrid steeple]

a semi-big variety streamer (i.e. pointcrow) picking up calamity once yharim is done and actually going through the world and being interested in the lore and everything would be the dream
get people recognizing that it exists

[frosty trellis]

(I personally disagree with the fact it would be fine because besides the ares exoskeleton part, the reasoning is really weak and definitely feel's a bit SISsy)

[drowsy plank]

yeah?

im thinking i might just flag this tbqh

[frosty trellis]

(Also a lot of "it would be cool" which is not a reason)

[bright crag]

I think it threads the line, but you should give better reasoning

[fervent orbit]

i just had a realisation

why tf does wearing an aglet make us faster?

[ornate slate]

magic

[bright crag]

Terraria logic™️

[hybrid steeple]

it rattles against your leg which makes you subconsciously try to get away from it which makes it rattle more
thus boosting your speed

[grim tusk]

It does not have much reasoning

And still is a SIS

“Is because it would be amazing” “I love laser beams and it would be cool if we had more laser beams”

[bright crag]

Ehh
I wouldn't call it an SIS
It's sufficiently vague

[frosty trellis]

The only valid part of the reasoning there is the ares exoskeleton one but even that's pushing it a bit

[bright crag]

For the premise

It's almost an SIS

[fervent orbit]

and why does the terrarian put boots over their shoes, then some frog legs over those?

[drowsy plank]

@simple pumice well. vetrasyl is giving you his blessing so im being pretty leinent with this since. this is for the devs after all. but the reasoning on this still feels incredibly weak. you just say you want thanatos beam because you want thanatos beam and nothing else. im sure you can probably find more reasoning than that. also thanatos already has 3 drops, and so does ares, so im not really sure how i feel about it splitting to be 3/2/4 tbqh

[hybrid steeple]

vetrasyl himself
whole ass storm dragon

[grim tusk]

However I do not agree with Stip

[bright crag]

😎

(I'm not, it still needs the exclamation for weak reasoning)

[fervent orbit]

is photon ripper supposed to be somewhat based on blender beam or is that coincidence?

[drowsy plank]

if it was at least ohio beam from exo twins i could see it being more convincing because it would be balancing out the number of drops

[bright crag]

And I am skeptical about getting an actualy good reason

[grim tusk]

Its more cuz Regular Skele Prime has a chainsaw

And cuz its badass

[bright crag]

And to make it less SIS-y, you can not specify Thanatos

[fervent orbit]

i mean ripper does inflict miracle blight

which im pretty sure is only on blender

[bright crag]

Photon Ripper was gonna be one of Ares' arms iirc

[grim tusk]

It would still break all sugg rules

And besides if it passes into voting we will unleash SIS chaos

[dense locust]

which one replaced it?

[drowsy plank]

i think you'd get further saying something like; "Make a Mage weapon that the Exo Twins drop" and you could mention it possibly being a beam at most

[wide river]

It does, actually
Miracle Blight is inflicted by all the Miracle Matter weapons as well as a couple of Exo drops

[bright crag]

How so?
It suggests the addition of a general type of weapon tied to the (already existing) Exo theme

[fervent orbit]

shush u saw nothing

[dense locust]

• elemental excal

lol

[bright crag]

Ares would have had the 4 current arms + Photon Ripper + Pulse Cannon (the purple one Infernum has)

(In terms of sprite, idk how a Cal Pulse Cannon would've behaved)

[grim tusk]

Ye, they cannot be specific on how the weapon will work

[drowsy plank]

ive definitely slipped in ideas of what something could be and they've gotten into voting and passed, but asking specifically for that without a skeleton to work with that actually addresses an issue (hence "Exo Twin Mage drop" which covers two problems) you can't really do that

[bright crag]

It can be less specific within the realm of laser weapons, I'll say

If it was just "a beam-based weapon themed after Exo Mechs", it would have been much less SIS-y

[grim tusk]

Yes, but then what’s the practical and objective reasoning again?

None

[north oracle]

SIS alert

[bright crag]

(Another thing I asked and the primary reason it deserves an exclamation imo)

[tired haven]

deathrays are mandatory in both the boss and player arsenals in postML

(anytime if you are emode)

[north oracle]

Everyone gets a deathray!

[drowsy plank]

deerclops deathray

[glass arch]

i loathe that

why did infernum give it a deathray

[drowsy plank]

bc eyeball

[wide river]

Because the pinnacle of boss design is adding a big laser

[drowsy plank]

and everyone knows if someone has a big eyeball, there has to be a laser coming out of it

[glass arch]

the worst part is that its in phase 2 and phase 2 inf deerclops fucking sucks

[frosty trellis]

No
The pinnacle of boss design is removing deerclops from the game

[quiet kernel]

TRUE

That would be great

[dense ferry]

TRUE

[oblique geyser]

True...

Infernum deerclops is good though

[halcyon zealot]

blender ?

can't wait for eye of cthulhu blender

[ripe owl]

Every boss needs a blender!

[cobalt pewter]

there are better bosses in cal to remove than deerclops and I wish I was joking

[ripe owl]

Or at least source filmmaker

[north oracle]

Where’s DoG’s deathray tho

[oblique geyser]

I should add this in my EoC rework

[north oracle]

Hell yeah
EoC blender!

[frosty trellis]

Such as?

[cobalt pewter]

crab

[oblique geyser]

Crabulon serves a purpose

[frosty trellis]

Theme too iconic (Although probs needs a rework given the beeeg glowing mushroom biomes)

[north oracle]

Crab is getting changed I think

[cobalt pewter]

crab and dog are the same

[frosty trellis]

Oh DoG needs a rework badly

[cobalt pewter]

both are heavily carried by the music track

[north oracle]

Arm smashes are way too easy

[oblique geyser]

Dog is a great fight

[frosty trellis]

And NOT an infernum dog style rework
Inf dog is the most boring boss in modded terraria, bar none

[north oracle]

DoG is fun yeah

[oblique geyser]

Revert DoG to 2.0 malice DoG and it will be perfect

[north oracle]

So true

[cobalt pewter]

fuck malice

[frosty trellis]

And I will stand by this statement forever

[oblique geyser]

The thing is individual malice fights were good

[cobalt pewter]

anyways imma dip now because I have actual work to do

[oblique geyser]

Malice as a whole was poorly balanced but it had its gems

[frosty trellis]

DoG's malice AI is unironically cool and very fair and makes some things more interesting

[oblique geyser]

Dog and SCal being the best

[frosty trellis]

See
I hate SCal already
And I hate m.scal even more bc the bhs are my behated and it makes them worse

[north oracle]

Guardians my beloathed
One of 2 malice bosses I ever tried

[oblique geyser]

wires

[tired haven]

I think in don't starve the special version of deerclops does in fact have a deathray, too. So it's most likely a faithful recreation

[wide river]

Lemme look this up, I haven't seen this before

Oh my god the Winter's Feast Deerclops actually has a laser

[tired haven]

Yup

[fervent orbit]

fargos eternity also adds the laser

[ripe owl]

Maso adds a laser to almost every second boss

[small timber]

time to learn coding so I can code my own boss so I can add laser to EVERY boss

King Slime Crown Jewel Deathray sweep let's go
make it spin 360 degree like Artemis too

[frosty trellis]

Death-FTW moonlord death ray but on KS

Nohit that

Don't please that's a joke

[north oracle]

fuck no MPG why

[wide river]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would, first of all: Add a deathray to King Slime, and second: Nohit King Slime with said behavior
Although people do some interesting things sometimes

[north oracle]

i'd nohit it
if it exists i'll try

[wide river]

I think you'd need two or three double jumps to even get over the deathray to begin with
Pretty much your entire loadout would need to be movement-based

[north oracle]

yeah, you'd need a full movement loadout

amphib boots? sandstorm, and dia hook

[drowsy plank]

if it's slow you could probably manage with platforms and hooks

[north oracle]

then get another double jump

also magiluminesence for changing direction above it faster

[frosty trellis]

No it's a joke bc it's physically impossible
Have you seen the ridiculous speed of Death-FTW deathray and the fact tis' a 420 degree spin?

[north oracle]

yeah, it would be literally impossible to do

wouldn't stop me from trying

[small timber]

no if it is death ftw death ray you just have to stay near the jewel

because it spin in place

if it moves during the laser then that is another question

[wide river]

See, now here's the thing
I'm pretty sure that you get a very short window of iframes from a Shield of Cthulhu bonk
If the laser is going really fast, you might be able to feasibly get past it via bonking a slime

[north oracle]

ooh

intelligence

[wide river]

Of course it'd be absurdly difficult to do, but it might be possible

[north oracle]

frame perfect trick on boss one

[novel belfry]

is it just me, or are the death profaned guardians stupidly fast?

[small timber]

it has a "change side mechanic" where you are switch from left to right side (or right to left), if you go against it they become really fast

[north oracle]

we have another

#calamity-mod-talk message

[fossil torrent]

@bright crag you’re very welcome to make the recipe more expensive if you want, incentivizes finding the shrine more

[cobalt pewter]

1 Rock

[ornate slate]

rock

[magic scarab]

3996 Rock

[ornate slate]

whats the point of those cosmic elemental things wasnt there a suggestion that is trying to remove it

[small timber]

to craft roxcalibur you need to shimmer 5 pieces of stone together with 5 soul of light, 5 soul of night, 1 essence of havoc, 2 obsidian and 3 fire block, and finally throw in an iron sword and only with these very specific material already in shimmer that it will combine into the "unenchanted roxcalibur", which you must active it by specifically beating King Slime so it turn into the actual full version of Roxcalibur we currently have

[glass arch]

fandom ass recipe

[errant wren]

recipe written like how my english teacher tried to explain anything

[bright crag]

👍

[glass arch]

is it really that hard to place down some power cell factories and just leave em until post yharon

[slender goblet]

If you don't do it early, it just is a fucking pain in the ass

[ripe owl]

There should be:

Oh wait, there isn't anything you need but a shitton of Power Cell Factories that would've produced like a ton of batteries by the time you need 5K of them

[slender goblet]

And if it is that easy, why not just make it cost less

[glass arch]

if you dont do it pre moon lord its a pain in the ass

[ripe owl]

That's kinda the point, because you get all the shizz of the schematics early on

[glass arch]

as in
just fucking put them down when you explore the labs

[slender goblet]

I didn't though

also

would it make it worse in any way

If you do it early, cool for you

[ripe owl]

That more sounds like a you problem

[cobalt pewter]

also the waiting on codebreaker is supposed to be unattended

[slender goblet]

No. What about people playing the mod the first time?

[cobalt pewter]

as long as you don't exit the game you should just

progress instead

[slender goblet]

they might not see it as important

[twin ravine]

You get draedon stuff and the machines at the same time

[slender goblet]

also, would it make it any worse?

[twin ravine]

So

[slender goblet]

If it's that easy

[twin ravine]

It’d make sense to have them around while you do other stuff

[slender goblet]

It literally would stay the same for people making it early

[glass arch]

its not very hard to put 2 and 2 together
the hardest part is finding the factory

[slender goblet]

and help the others in not suffering for literal houres

[cobalt pewter]

you'd be surprised at how advanced an average Terraria player's common sense is

[twin ravine]

Though I do agree that the player does not get the info later down the line that you’d need 5k for the last upgrade

[hybrid steeple]

TRUE

[slender goblet]

Bro, It would have NO negative

Absolutely NONE

[hybrid steeple]

something something the year is 2024

[slender goblet]

It would be a plus for those not doing it

[glass arch]

so true

[slender goblet]

and dooesn't effect the others

[glass arch]

but why wouldnt you do it

[slender goblet]

Because I forgot about it

[twin ravine]

Why reduction when you can tell the player beforehand that you’d need 5k

Hmm

[slender goblet]

Because you arent told number 1

and

[twin ravine]

Feel like some implementation of that would be better than just cutting the 5k

[slender goblet]

WHY 5000

[ripe owl]

Like, okay, let's look at this logically

You're looking for the Draedon's Arsenal
You find the stuff plus some factories plus some other shizz
You place factories at your base
Some time passes, you advance through the game, you get better at everything
You already have like two or three stacks of batteries by the time you need 5K of them

[slender goblet]

There is no fucking reason for it to be so high

[glass arch]

5k is still a
huge number of cells

[twin ravine]

Tbh true

[glass arch]

because combine the cost of the final one plus all the others and you're spending almost an entire stack on the codebreaker alone

which yes that is a bit much

[twin ravine]

But if you’ve already placed them at the start and you’re not actively recycling them for money you should have plenty by the time you reach post yharon

[slender goblet]

Look at it this way:

I am new, didn't found that many
I don't need energy cells atm
I don't place them down

I can wait 5h

cool

[ripe owl]

You do in fact need them to decrypt the other schematics

[twin ravine]

Tbh I never touch draedon stuff until I need to kill exos

[slender goblet]

But why should you

[glass arch]

so you can have the power cells

[ripe owl]

Which are needed for the parts of the codebreaker

[glass arch]

when you need to decrypt everything

[slender goblet]

I didn't use any dreadon gear, so I get punished with a 5h time waster

[twin ravine]

Aren’t you incentivized at the start with the draedon weapons already?

[slender goblet]

no

Never used them

[twin ravine]

You need those power cells to run the weapons

[slender goblet]

never will

[slender goblet]

they are USELESS

there are better options

[twin ravine]

at which point it’s your own playstyle preferences

[twin ravine]

Does he know

[ripe owl]

No they aren't

[slender goblet]

And why do I get punished for that preferendce?

[ornate slate]

What is the rate of draedon cell production

[slender goblet]

1 per 15 sec

[glass arch]

1 every 15 or so seconds

[slender goblet]

I have 15 facts

[ornate slate]

Just have a few

[twin ravine]

You don’t, you can also skip exo mechs lo

[ornate slate]

Its not too bad

[slender goblet]

I literally do

[glass arch]

nothing is making you do exos first yeah

you can always just do scal while waiting for the power cells

[ripe owl]

What's the crying for then?

[ornate slate]

This is complainy

[twin ravine]

Yeah in which case you shouldn’t have an issue with draedon stuff in the first place

[slender goblet]

I get a cool boss when I do that, I can wait 5H or do something not so cool imo

[twin ravine]

You don’t touch it

Why are you having an issue with it

You don’t touch any of the draedon content but demand changes for it

[slender goblet]

because I already wait for fucking houres

Ok

no

[cobalt pewter]

it'd take nearly 21 hours to reach 5k with a single power cell factory

[slender goblet]

Just give me 1 reason

[ornate slate]

Then get more

[cobalt pewter]

the time is massively reduced with more obviously

[slender goblet]

why it shoul be

5k

don't argue against it

[ornate slate]

Theres multiple in the world you can just pick up

[ripe owl]

We aren't arguing why it shouldn't be 5K

[twin ravine]

Take the time between providence and yharon

[slender goblet]

argue for your pointz

[twin ravine]

That’s way over 5 hours of gameplay

[slender goblet]

because its useless and lets the plyer watít

[slender goblet]

I DIDN'T PLACCE THEm

[twin ravine]

And you’d already have at least 4 if you’ve even glanced at the planetoid already

That’s YOUR issue

[glass arch]

thats YOUR ISSUE

[slender goblet]

and I didn't in my first playthrough too

[ripe owl]

Well that's your problem

[twin ravine]

YOU didn’t place

[slender goblet]

NO

Give me a damn reason

[twin ravine]

YOU HAVE ALL THE TIME

[slender goblet]

why it should be

5k

[hybrid steeple]

shrimply an issue of skill

[ripe owl]

BROTHER

[slender goblet]

THATS NOT A REASON

[glass arch]

there are PLENTY of indicators that power cells are IMPORTANT

[twin ravine]

to place ONE power cell plant

But you don’t

[ripe owl]

You're arguing one and then you switch the topic

Not cool

[slender goblet]

It not a reason for it to be that high

[slender goblet]

no i dont

[twin ravine]

The game gives you all incentives to have power cells around

[slender goblet]

It's still that i am arguing for it to be less

[hybrid steeple]

i would post the 2024 copypasta but to be fair the 5k thing doesnt actually add any content to the game so it doesnt really apply here

[slender goblet]

That is an excuse not a reason

[twin ravine]

And since you’re not going to be using the draedon arsenals all the time you should have it already

[cobalt pewter]

the year is

[slender goblet]

That is still no reason

[ripe owl]

I didn't place my factories
That's your issue
No that's the issue of the schematic costing 5K batteries

[slender goblet]

you would also have it if it where to be 2k

or 3k

[twin ravine]

You’re asking why they pick 5k as a number?

[twin ravine]

They’re as arbitrary as 5k lmao

[slender goblet]

exactly they are, for those placing the factories

[twin ravine]

It’s literally picking numbers but you’re complaining because you didn’t have them ready

[slender goblet]

and all others get punished

[slender goblet]

yes

yes i do

that's what fucking game design is boi

[ripe owl]

No

[twin ravine]

Seems like a personal issue and not necessary a design issue

[cobalt pewter]

at that point just have the game run by AI while you raise your legs up and sip nearly-lukewarm coffee

[slender goblet]

It is bad game design

[glass arch]

the game quite correctly assumes that most players will have far more power cells than needed lying around
if you put them down like you are heavily incentivized to do with an entire tier of weapons then you should have more than enough power cells

[ripe owl]

It is personal issue of not knowing what to do

[twin ravine]

It’s bad because I didn’t like it

Hooboo

[slender goblet]

so I want to play, I can't because of an useless time wall
Solution: Don't play the game you cant play

[slender goblet]

no, its bad because I need to wait 5h

[ripe owl]

I mean yeah, exactly

[slender goblet]

waiting

[twin ravine]

You didn’

[slender goblet]

Is NOT a game mechanic

[ripe owl]

Just do something else in that time duh

Like

[distant gyro]

the cell requirement is based on a typical runtime of the game not including qol mods

[glass arch]

the time wall wouldnt be a time wall if you actually put down the power cell factories when you were supposed to

[ripe owl]

Play the game

[twin ravine]

You could’ve placed them down earlier or use draedon content

[slender goblet]

i could

[twin ravine]

You’re only doing it when you need the cooling cell

And now you’re complaining because of that

[slender goblet]

but i shouldnt get punished for not doing it

[twin ravine]

Idk man

[slender goblet]

bro are you stupid

[distant gyro]

if you have collected 24 factories it takes 86 minutes to accrue 8200 cells (to complete the entire schematic line in one go)

[slender goblet]

It's ONE fucking integer that would be changed

it isnt any work

wouldnt affect you

[ripe owl]

You're not getting punished, you're getting treated the same way a dude with 3 stacks of batteries would be treated as

[slender goblet]

and would not punish players who forgot it

[ripe owl]

What do you want the cost to be, one battery per a schematic?

[distant gyro]

that is a really low fraction of the game time which is around 30-40 hours

[twin ravine]

^

[slender goblet]

no

[hybrid steeple]

me when i dont play the game and thus have to
play the game
in order to
play the game

[twin ravine]

So hard

Bad game design

[slender goblet]

oh, it is just 20% waiting then

that reliefs me

[ripe owl]

We have put the game in the game so you could play the game while playing the game

[twin ravine]

You don’t get just 1 machine

[slender goblet]

I don't PLAY

[twin ravine]

You get like 20 for the 5 places

[slender goblet]

I STAND THERE AND FUCKING AFK

[twin ravine]

Idk man

[slender goblet]

i have 15

and wait

[distant gyro]

you're not supposed to wait in a vacuum

[ripe owl]

Then keep on doing so and stop complaining

[slender goblet]

for 5 fucking houres

[twin ravine]

Because you didn’t have them since the start

[slender goblet]

I CANT

[distant gyro]

just like how skeletron can only be summoned at night

[slender goblet]

I DID everythin

[twin ravine]

You only reactively got them around when you need them for the power cell

[ripe owl]

Then play the game

[glass arch]

the person who placed down the factories earlier has to wait the exact same time you have to
the difference is they can actually progress while waiting because they arent waiting until post yharon to do everything

[distant gyro]

you could wait in a vacuum and only sleep

[twin ravine]

This

[slender goblet]

You all jsut saying skill issue, give me a FUCKING reason, why it should be 5k

[distant gyro]

or you could've grinded materials in the meantime which would have later benefits

[slender goblet]

CanNOONE do that?

[twin ravine]

Give anyone a reason why it needs to be lower

[slender goblet]

I have all i need

[twin ravine]

It doesn’t need to be lower

[glass arch]

because you're supposed to be actually USING the content thats GIVEN to you

[slender goblet]

ok, imagine it would be lower

[twin ravine]

You’re projecting your own issue to be a flawed game design

[glass arch]

instead of completely ignoring it for 95% of the game

[slender goblet]

why would that be bad for you

[ripe owl]

That wouldn't be

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-metal-gear-rising-sam-dlc-brazil-gif-25972178

[slender goblet]

Give me a fucking reason

[cobalt pewter]

getting heated here boys

[slender goblet]

EXACTLY

[ripe owl]

But that still would require waiting

[glass arch]

all of draedons arsenal

[twin ravine]

So true

[slender goblet]

Not 5 houres tho

but 2

thats 3h of afk

[twin ravine]

Same difference

[slender goblet]

yk how fucking anoying that is

[twin ravine]

You can also

[ornate slate]

least argumentative calamity user

[twin ravine]

Alternatively

You know

[ripe owl]

You're still waiting tho

[twin ravine]

Place 4 down at the start

[slender goblet]

You didn't give me ONE reason

[twin ravine]

And have enough for endgame

Really hard

[hybrid steeple]

even if you dont place any down at the start

[twin ravine]

I know

[slender goblet]

Stop saying fucking skill issues

[hybrid steeple]

there are four!
in every lab!

[twin ravine]

But it literally is

[ornate slate]

place it down earlier in the game

[ripe owl]

It is

[slender goblet]

It is 1 integer needed to change

no work at all

[twin ravine]

No

[glass arch]

you have an entire class of weapons across the entire damn game incentivizing you to not fucking wait until the last 5% of the game to do anything with draedons stuff

[ornate slate]

you find these labs all over the place

[slender goblet]

yes

[twin ravine]

It is one integer that YOU want to change

[hybrid steeple]

[slender goblet]

idc

[twin ravine]

Nobody have any issues

[ornate slate]

ok

[ripe owl]

@drowsy plank wake up

[slender goblet]

I made a mistake and now can wait 5H, not playing,

Give me a REASON why that is good game designe

[twin ravine]

Idk man preparing an arena for exos seems really helpful now

[hybrid steeple]

why are you so obsessed with this 5 hour thing

[slender goblet]

I have one

[hybrid steeple]

you know you can just

[cobalt pewter]

you can get 20 just from raiding all the main 5 labs

that means you'll cut down 5k cells from ~21 hours to ~1 hour

[errant wren]

you have literally so much else to do while you wait

[hybrid steeple]

place more power cell factories

[slender goblet]

because I need to afk and cant play

that's annoying

[glass arch]

BECAUSE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PLACE DOWN THE FACTORIES EARLY GAME

[twin ravine]

Lmao

The point

[ripe owl]

Let's say it less
You now have made a mistake and can wait for let's say 2 hours

[slender goblet]

not everyone is someone that has 10h a day to afk

[ripe owl]

Does that make any sense?

[cobalt pewter]

my literal first words about the sugg is that THE TIME IS UNATTENDED

LITERALLY DO ANYTHING ELSE

[grim tusk]

Zerg potions repair unit murder

[slender goblet]

THAT IS NOT A FUCKING REASON

[slender goblet]

I CANT

THERE IS NOTHING

[glass arch]

yes it is you block of tungsten

[cobalt pewter]

THEN DON'T PLAY

[slender goblet]

I HAVE ALL MY GEAR

[twin ravine]

You can load your world in multiplayer and do other shti while your game is running in the bg

[slender goblet]

AN ARENA

[cobalt pewter]

fuckin

[distant gyro]

this is not going anywhere

[twin ravine]

If you really have to wait

[ripe owl]

That is

[slender goblet]

then NAME it

[grim tusk]

Damn fucking chill

[twin ravine]

Idk how hard is it to understand what incentivizing players does

[slender goblet]

that is an "it isn't bad because..."
And not an: ""It should be that way because..."

[twin ravine]

You’re incentivized ro have them earlier on

[hybrid steeple]

ok lets say you found every bio center lab

[slender goblet]

I DIDNT GET INCENTIVIZED

[slender goblet]

ok

[twin ravine]

And since you don’t touch it you’re gonna have to wait for them

[hybrid steeple]

thats 22 power cell factories

[glass arch]

that is not our issue

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell opinions on the sugg? Im feeling exclam but unsure

[ripe owl]

Yes

[slender goblet]

Yes it is, it is the job of the game to do that

[hybrid steeple]

power cell factories make power cells every 15 seconds

[slender goblet]

moron

[cobalt pewter]

22?

[twin ravine]

Damn son

Crazy

[cobalt pewter]

also I already did the math with 20

[slender goblet]

NO one told me a reason

[ripe owl]

Like, everyone will say "exclaim" because it doesn't have a valid enough reason but a personal issue

[twin ravine]

Boutta get warned for suggesting a change in 1 integer digit

[glass arch]

thats your problem for completely ignoring several tiers of weapons all related to power cells

[slender goblet]

Not why it isnt bad

but because it should be that way

[hybrid steeple]

with all power cell factories it's less than an hour

[slender goblet]

Why should I care about them

[slender goblet]

still wait

[grim tusk]

I find the reasoning too vague but im unsure so I asked Rover

[glass arch]

a literal dev came in and told you why

[slender goblet]

why

[ripe owl]

But yes, I guess Rover is more skilled at this

[slender goblet]

say it

[ripe owl]

So we should wait

[cobalt pewter]

honestly

everything about this just sounds like a personal issue of not paying attention to the game and speedrunning the mod to the end

[grim tusk]

Everyone here needs to chill

[slender goblet]

ok, so i played MY way

[cobalt pewter]

yeah rover is more experienced

[hybrid steeple]

oh wait no 21

[twin ravine]

Because it is lol

[slender goblet]

and get punished

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[slender goblet]

because I didn't use a stupid weapon i dont like

[hybrid steeple]

sometimes that happens

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[glass arch]

#suggestions-discussion message

[slender goblet]

It's just bad game designe if it does

[twin ravine]

This has the same energy as someone playing the game with zero defense and complaining about why things hit so hard

[hybrid steeple]

me when i play the game my way (dont use any weapon with the letter e) and get punished (unable to use good weapons that have the letter e in them)

[grim tusk]

@zenith hazel could you come and pacify this chat a bit

[twin ravine]

Devious

[slender goblet]

still a "It isn't bad because-"
I want a " It SHOULD be that way because-"

[hybrid steeple]

it should be that way because it already is that way

shrimple as that

you're the one suggesting to change something

[slender goblet]

it is a single integer to change, there is no reasopn to do that 5sec job

[slender goblet]

it requires

5 seconds

[glass arch]

it should be that way because you are expected to not leave all of draedons arsenal behind until post yharon

[ripe owl]

It should be that way because, given a smaller amount of cells, you'd be basically skipping the whole Draedon stuff which is not good

[glass arch]

fuck wrong reply

[slender goblet]

that again is not a reason why it should be that way

you are saying it isnt bad because you are expected to do it

[ripe owl]

Then come up with a better one

[ornate slate]

ok listen i dont think that the devs are gonna make a change for just you specifically, if its not something the community cares about the devs probably wont care either

[slender goblet]

You arent saying it provides a benefit

[hybrid steeple]

"give me a reason why it should be that way"
"ok heres a reason"
"no i dont like that one"

[ripe owl]

Because you GODDAMN ARE

[twin ravine]

Does the answer need to be in a 5 page long 1000 word essay for you to understand lol

[gaunt tiger]

expecting critical thinking in the suggestions channel
(:

[slender goblet]

GIVE ME A BENEFIT OF THE 5K!

[cobalt pewter]

well if you're not trying to, at least, respect the way the mod is meant to be played, then I guess it's quite your fault

there are multitudes of hints surrounding these and you chose to ignore it until endgame where you can't instantly get what you wanted

[twin ravine]

You know what this seems entertaining to only read

[ripe owl]

You are supposed to go through each tier of Draedon's arsenal

[gaunt tiger]

pointing out an issue does not require a solution for the criticism to be valid

[ripe owl]

You're expected to

[twin ravine]

[ripe owl]

If not then you're losing on a big part of the game

Including a whole ass boss

[slender goblet]

Stop with the fucking "you are supposed

[hybrid steeple]

not everything is designed to be a benefit
if there were only benefits you just wouldnt be able to die now would you

[slender goblet]

give me a benefit

[glass arch]

exactly

[ornate slate]

yelling at everyone in a chat is not gonna get people to vote for your suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

well I guess you're not trying to be cooperative

worthless to argue about this

[twin ravine]

He’s asking “why 5k good”

That’s what he wants

[slender goblet]

Dying is a beneficial mechanic

[ripe owl]

Cause it's not bad in anyway, simple as that

[twin ravine]

On that front tell me why any other K is good

[slender goblet]

stop the straw mans

[twin ravine]

Like

[ornate slate]

you are the only one who cares about this issue, the devs won't make this change just for you

[twin ravine]

I would love to know

[hybrid steeple]

thats not what strawman means

[twin ravine]

Why 2k is good

[glass arch]

5k has no upside, it has no downside if you're playing the way the game is expected to be played

[hybrid steeple]

[ripe owl]

It doesn't benefit you in any way

[slender goblet]

it wouldn't be good, it would be better

[gaunt tiger]

if you've picked up every factory in the early game you will be capped on power cells by the time you get into hardmode

[lavish condor]

I really feel like there shouldn't be a way the game is expected to be played in a sandbox

[slender goblet]

but I didn't

[twin ravine]

Suppose it’s 2k and people find it annoying, now theyw ant it 1k

And same shit happens

[ripe owl]

So you're saying that 5K is also good

[twin ravine]

Goes to show

[ornate slate]

the world doesnt revolve around you, the devs won't make a change because you whine about objectively bottlenecking your progress

[glass arch]

terraria hasnt been a sandbox for a long time

[slender goblet]

Then remove the encription power cells completely

why even

[gaunt tiger]

the issue really is that factories need to produce cells from world gen onwards
which isn't really feasible

[cobalt pewter]

sandbox is a moot term in terraria, especially cal

[slender goblet]

useless

[zenith hazel]

alright what is going on here

[twin ravine]

Eyy we finally got to false dichotomy

[gaunt tiger]

howdy brav

[twin ravine]

Took a while

[hybrid steeple]

yeah ok and heres the crux of the issue

[lavish condor]

Yeah sandbox doesn't really describe Terraria anymore huh. Nevermind

[random talon]

Whenever I'm waiting for encryption, I just scroll through my Magic Storage

[glass arch]

i dont even know at this point

[random talon]

waiting isn't a big deal

[hybrid steeple]

this is where im justified in posting

The year is 2024
QoL mods have removed the need for town NPCs, Arena Building, Regular Enemies, and Grinding. 16 distinct difficulty options exist to be combined as desired.
All worlds are generated with chests that give everything to you, and have innumerable world-sized platforms
The game has been optimized away. Now we may relish in the infinite bliss that is uninterrupted boss rush playthroughs

[slender goblet]

Ok, just give me a benefit of the encription power cells

[glass arch]

[bright crag]

The wait time is the way it is, because it's a balanced, fair amount requires for someone using the mechanics as intended

Not to mention how it indirectly encourages people to use the intended way (placing the factories early)

It seems bad to you because you simply didn't put an effort that is expected and, all things considered, pretty simple

Your sole arguments so far are to "not punish not following intended mechanics" (while undermining the effort of those than do) and "make the encryption free" (using that logic, why put any effort)

[cobalt pewter]

bam

[random talon]

QOL mod overdose sucks

[cobalt pewter]

done

[gaunt tiger]

how about you should be able to make 50 power cells using the draedon materials and wire?

[ripe owl]

You get new stuff from the schematics bruh

[cobalt pewter]

go home

[zenith hazel]

how do you not have 5k cells by post yharon

that’s my concern

[slender goblet]

you don't get told you need 5k

[hybrid steeple]

ignored arsenal

[glass arch]

they didnt place any power cell factories ever

[random talon]

I had the power cell factories going through my entire playthrough smh

[ornate slate]

im not gonna lie this dude fr thinks he is the main character

[zenith hazel]

their loss then

[gaunt tiger]

I assume it's his first playthrough

[slender goblet]

it only encourages it if you know already

[gaunt tiger]

^

[zenith hazel]

the whole point of the arsenal labs is the exploration aspect

[bright crag]

The encryption requirements rise each tier

[slender goblet]

nope

just forgot

[grim tusk]

I got like 20k pre-hm

[cobalt pewter]

??????

[bright crag]

It's natural to think that you'd need more and more

[slender goblet]

But you dont get told you need them

[ornate slate]

and youre punished for forgetting simple as that

[zenith hazel]

if they forget then they don’t fight draedon

[slender goblet]

ergo you arent incentiviced

[twin ravine]

Devs answering him and he’s still missing the point

Truly

[ripe owl]

She Took An L by Drake & 21 Savage

[ornate slate]

its a common thing to be punished for forgetting to do something in a game

[zenith hazel]

in a game about exploring?

[lavish condor]

Is there any hint that the power cell factories are anything more significant than the other furniture scattered around the lab?

[random talon]

me when everything in the game isn't handed to me on a silver platter:

[slender goblet]

so they do get punished

[gaunt tiger]

I love the civil discussions that occur in this channel

[glass arch]

i played for like 20 minutes and had like
15 power cell factories

[gaunt tiger]

🍿

[slender goblet]

yes, I don#t need the cells

[grim tusk]

Draedon arsenal weapons
Schematics that have lore
Knowing that you will eventually fight Draedon thanks to the schematics (and indirectly via recipe browser)

[slender goblet]

i dont get them

[twin ravine]

Actually that is a good question tbh

I remember first time coming around and got slightly confused with the power cell stuff

[bright crag]

(We can simply let the players know how many power cells are needed for decryption of x schematic)

[lavish condor]

The useless decorative hologram is more eye catching than the factories iirc

[slender goblet]

You dont know that you fight him without already having a playtrough

[gaunt tiger]

they don't have a popup when you hover the cursor over them no
only if you right click them by accident

[slender goblet]

and lore is not important to many

[slender goblet]

that would be way

yes

[zenith hazel]

my question to you is, how does one not find a single arsenal lab in an entire pt

[random talon]

Lore should be importatnt

[grim tusk]

The schematics HEAVILY hint at fighting Draedon

[slender goblet]

I just didn't look for it

[slender goblet]

if you encrypt them?

[gaunt tiger]

the lore in cal is really poorly handled
muh logbook entries

[zenith hazel]

you don’t even have to look for one though

[slender goblet]

what you do

[twin ravine]

There’s one above spawn

[zenith hazel]

most of the time you come across them accidentally

[slender goblet]

becaause you know you fight him

[glass arch]

that's their issue
its actively telling you things about what you're gonna do, if they choose to ignore it that is completely and entirely on them

[random talon]

it literally says "addendum: fight me bich"

[slender goblet]

ik

[twin ravine]

Idk how you never ran into it

[ornate slate]

i wasnt even using the draedon arsenal and i still managed to get enough by the end of the game just by putting down like 3 or 4 battery makers

[zenith hazel]

there’s one literally next to sunken sea

[slender goblet]

I am stupid ik

[ornate slate]

thats all you need

[slender goblet]

but many are

[grim tusk]

Space and sunken sea labs are extremely hard to miss

[slender goblet]

I was there, once

[gaunt tiger]

actually there's this bug at the moment which-

[zenith hazel]

again, your loss for not exploring

[slender goblet]

pretty unimportant biome

[glass arch]

how do you miss the space lab tho

[random talon]

your stupidity, your problem!

[ornate slate]

no it really isnt

[glass arch]

its
massive

[grim tusk]

Space lab exists still

[lavish condor]

I feel like hinting towards the fact you need to grab a specific piece of the furniture would be nice

[zenith hazel]

alright no need to go there

[ornate slate]

sunken sea is not unimportant lol

[random talon]

ight sorry

[slender goblet]

a punishment is fine, but not a fucking time wall

[ornate slate]

too bad wait

[slender goblet]

I am playing terraria not clash of clans

[ornate slate]

stop complaining

nothing is gonna change

[zenith hazel]

a time wall that should’ve been bypassed I dunno

[glass arch]

the time wall IS the punishment for fucks sake

[slender goblet]

idc

[zenith hazel]

30 bosses ago

[gaunt tiger]

set the factories up, and go sit outside for a bit
touch the grass
drink a hot drink

[slender goblet]

and it is a lazy and bad one

[ornate slate]

then why are you complaining???

[slender goblet]

I hate grass

[ripe owl]

Your problems

[random talon]

build houses, gear up, do other things in the meantime

[gaunt tiger]

lol

[slender goblet]

because it is worth to complain about

[grim tusk]

Just either go to a lab, pop a zerg and murder anything that spawns on the lab

Or
Cheat the cells in

[zenith hazel]

a lazy and bad one for someone who didn’t bother exploring the world?

yeah this ain’t it chief

[slender goblet]

I did EVERYTHING

thats the problem

[cobalt pewter]

your problem

[glass arch]

the time wall always exists, no matter when you place the factories
the only difference is when you place them earlier you have the ability to progress while waiting

[cobalt pewter]

not the game's

[slender goblet]

straw man

[zenith hazel]

except searching a very hard to miss lab?

[ornate slate]

what is your end goal here, its clear this "issue" isn't going to be fixed

[random talon]

you did everything except build a power cell area????

[slender goblet]

argue against the ppoint

not em

[slender goblet]

yes

[gaunt tiger]

hey shade would it be a reasonable suggestion for there to be like
an everlasting battery that can be crafted?

albeit one that is quite hard to make

[errant wren]

just
refight bosses if you're so bored

[grim tusk]

Says the one who keeps arguing with ad hominems and also strawmen

[slender goblet]

idc about the weapons

[random talon]

how?

[slender goblet]

there are better ones

and the rest?

[grim tusk]

[zenith hazel]

💀

[slender goblet]

i know the lore already and dont want to read it again

[gaunt tiger]

no I don't wanna read the pins use ur words my guy

[random talon]

which pin to check?

[grim tusk]

On the donts for frequently suggested

[random talon]

I see

[ornate slate]

lmaooo these people are digging the grave for their terrible arguments

[glass arch]

these are all
your issues

[ripe owl]

So, Mikoto
Your whole argument is "I've skipped the whole aspect of the game because I think one part of it sucks and so I am being punished for doing so"

[gaunt tiger]

let me break out my reading glasses brb

[ornate slate]

theyre taking the piss at this point

genuine trolling

[glass arch]

the thing is, arsenal weapons dont suck

[slender goblet]

I am literally not the only one that had this problem

[random talon]

it's working lmao

[zenith hazel]

ok, show me some more examples then

[ripe owl]

That is YOUR issue that you have skipped that aspect
And that is YOUR issue that you are being punished for doing so

[slender goblet]

I know multiple people having that problem in their first playthrough

[ornate slate]

they eventually stopped arguing and started trolling

[lavish condor]

Is there any hint as to where you get power cells? iirc the labs are hard to miss but perhaps the random pieces of furniture that are inacgtive until you interact with them might be missable on a blind playthrough

[random talon]

i did not

[gaunt tiger]

that's not what I asked for, @grim tusk
I meant more like a charging station that doesn't need power cells

[ornate slate]

dont even listen to them

[glass arch]

show us these people then

[slender goblet]

idc about you

[random talon]

damn

[cobalt pewter]

yeah no this just seems unnecessary to continue

waste of everyone's time

just leave it be

[slender goblet]

why would I bring them to a place as toxic as here were all just say "your issue, lmao. git gud"

[glass arch]

sugg is already exclam'd we really shouldnt be arguing this so hard

[grim tusk]

Quite pointless when the dont literally is better and powercells being cheap

[cobalt pewter]

I'm gonna sleb or go back gome instead

[gaunt tiger]

I think it would be a novel convenience

[slender goblet]

it is just bad game designe

[cobalt pewter]

home

fuck

[gaunt tiger]

but yeah true

[slender goblet]

and NO one said anything for the opposite

except: you can't choose you play style moron!

[random talon]

ok everyone, let's go back to square one

let's try to be civil

[bright crag]

Not that we won't have environmental storytelling, but what exactly do you expect?

[ornate slate]

its not a play style its literally placing down a block and forgetting about it until you need it

[slender goblet]

there is some cool enviromentel story telling

[ornate slate]

this isnt game altering stuff

[slender goblet]

but could be better

[ripe owl]

It all boils down to the same issue, that being them ignoring the crucial part of the mod

[gaunt tiger]

oh the environmental stuff is amazing, I just meant the lore dump logbooks are a bit offputting

[slender goblet]

but i didn't need to

because it didnt match my

playstyle

[random talon]

I see your point

[ripe owl]

Schematics in question

[glass arch]

you in fact did
because exos exist
if you wanted to fight them why wouldnt you place down the factories

[random talon]

then maybe your playstyle needs to be adjusted?

[slender goblet]

how would a new player do that?

only reason a unfoseeable boss

[glass arch]

yeah you forgot but forgetting about something doesnt mean the whole game should be changed about that

[ornate slate]

what was your playstyle

[slender goblet]

That's not how game design works

[night jolt]

Don't all of the encryptions take the same amount of time regardless of Cell requirement?

[random talon]

@slender goblet how about you just cheat in 9999 power cells if it's such an issue

[twin ravine]

Inb4 they go back to asking why choosing 5k

[slender goblet]

not using the dredon weapons

[zenith hazel]

by not missing a crucial terrain? idk

[bright crag]

It will be better, it's a WIP
The biome reworks, especially, will help with that

[ripe owl]

So true!

[gaunt tiger]

unironically the more bite-sized lore delivered by the stellar disk in stars above is more to my tastes, personally
but I don't presume to tell calamity what it should be like

at the moment

[ornate slate]

you knew beforehand that the batteries had significance beyond the draedon arsenal right

[lavish condor]

Perhaps a sugg about making inactive power stations more eye-catching? The most important things in here (The stations) are not really the things your eyes look at first. If anything a blind player might think they're decorative furniture

[slender goblet]

I fought providence with half the space because I had a bridge in their

[slender goblet]

ont cheat EVER

[ornate slate]

thats a pretty important thing to know

[zenith hazel]

for one thing, you’re already encouraged to explore the skies because of aerialite ore

you’re practically encouraged to look at the giant planetoid sitting on top of your home base, essentially

[slender goblet]

only putting the issue aside that you dont know you need them besides weapons you might no tlike

[twin ravine]

Inb4 arealite is not part of their playstyle and they don’t care about the skies

[gaunt tiger]

I'd really like a draedon drone or something that delivers small bits of lore more frequently, I think that'd be neat 🙂

[slender goblet]

good point for finding it, my point above still stands

[gaunt tiger]

like an optional pet that you get out of the gate

[cobalt pewter]

personally I would flesh out the cell generation and charging system more but it's not the time considering I haven't even played the mod for years

[ornate slate]

@slender goblet

[twin ravine]

Have a minigame to get more cells

[cobalt pewter]

(like limiting cell gain without wire integration)

[twin ravine]

Probably would make them not complain

[slender goblet]

I didn't
I played the mod a year ago or so

and even if

[twin ravine]

But well this is a very niche issue

[ornate slate]

okay theres the problem

[slender goblet]

see it from the perspective of a new player

[twin ravine]

Or well

[ripe owl]

Batteries existed a year ago, didn't they?

[twin ravine]

A personal issue more like

[lavish condor]

Terraria encourages you to test things and explore. You are immortal after all. Spoon feeding information to the player makes it boring. hinting to the player that their playstyle should include the labs would be better to avoid this issue in the future

[slender goblet]

see it from the perspective of a new player, that's what game developement focuses on

[gaunt tiger]

this covnersation makes me want to lick a 9V

[bright crag]

I personally don't mind the logs :p
I just think their UI is kinda eh because the letters were fairly small last I checked

[ornate slate]

there should be some kind of indicator to people who maybe dont know of the exo mechs that these battery cells are important to boss progression

[cobalt pewter]

lick a whar

[twin ravine]

He’s trying to speak for a demographic that have issues with last decryption taking 5k but nobody else has the same issue

[bright crag]

How would that work?

[twin ravine]

Crazy

[gaunt tiger]

aye, it's quite hard to read

[slender goblet]

you should NEVER force a player into a play style

or "let them adjust their palystyle

[zenith hazel]

and nobody is?

[slender goblet]

Not in a game like terraria

[amber moss]

every single cal playthrough I have ever done, including the first one, I had upwards of 15k power cells by late game, simply because I went to the big ball above spawn and mined some random furniture

[ornate slate]

its not a play style you just didnt know the exo mechs existed

[twin ravine]

Crazy

He’s talking game design philosophies now!

[slender goblet]

!"nobody is"

to change thier playstyle