suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

lao

[drowsy plank]

awesome

@plush swan please read the rules in the pins

im not even gonna bother explaining this one i think it is obvious why it is not allowed lmao

[buoyant idol]

@plush swan

[frosty trellis]

(Also this just screams meme suggestion bc of the vid linked)

[north oracle]

^

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[blazing kettle]

nevermind, thats judt dogpiling at that point

[north oracle]

truly an impressive suggestion

[buoyant idol]

Nah, that's the objective

[drowsy plank]

dont actually dogpile

im sure they know by this point

[buoyant idol]

Fair point

[north oracle]

or they posted and went offline

[buoyant idol]

Even worse, their profile banner is an NSFW rule break

[north oracle]

wait wh- istg why did you have to point that out

[buoyant idol]

Also they're online, it says they're on twitch

[blazing kettle]

where is rover

[bright crag]

@hollow shell

[swift wharf]

firing up modmail

[bright crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[plush swan]

actually only just figured out to go to this channel, i'm bogged down at the moment.

[grim tusk]

SUPER ❗

[plush swan]

I cant offer really any reasoning for it to be in the mod as a related item, as its literally just a meme. Sorry that I stepped on people's toes.

[frosty trellis]

[north oracle]

super exclamation

[dense ferry]

It's ok, don't worry

[north oracle]

i would highly recommend reading the suggestion rules before posting

[dense ferry]

We are just going to steal your kneecaps for one week or two

[grim tusk]

Can someone do delete the sugg tho

[north oracle]

[dense ferry]

I can delete it don't worry

Btw damn you guys need to be a bit more chill when someone suggests a don't, jeez

[blazing kettle]

just have somebody say sugg bad once and move on

[wide river]

It happens a lot, unfortunately

People get rabid when a suggestion that's slightly bad appears

[crude geode]

It’s a pretty big problem

[north oracle]

this is the average suggestion-discussion reaction to suggestions unfortunately

[crude geode]

one that was supposed to be solved with #suggestions-posting and #suggestions-voting being separate, but clearly that has not alleviated the problem

[dense ferry]

#suggestions-discussion members ganging up 1 to 6 to a member that didn't read a document pinned (no one checks pins) and explaining in extreme detail and in an incredibly condenscending manner why the suggestion is wrong

[ivory hinge]

thats just internet in general sadly

[worldly basalt]

if they didnt want to be wrong they shouldve read the doc 😤 😤

[wide river]

I wish people would let off the gas when it comes to suggestions that break the rules, considering the pins aren't in a place most people look, but what can you do

[crude geode]

People just wanna be mini mods

[swift wharf]

someone makes a meme suggestion
dogpile them
calamity design is mentioned
discuss calamity design for two hours
the can of worms of terraria design is open
god help us

[crude geode]

So true

[dense ferry]

Honestly I think I will be a little harsher when it comes to this chat behavior

[frosty trellis]

To be fair

There is a difference between someone who breaks the rules by missing something

And then someone posting a meme suggestion

Generally the former isn't as bad as the latter (In terms of chat reactions)

[frosty trellis]

Makes sense

[dense ferry]

Because it got to a point where it's genuinely pretty bad

[crude geode]

Good

[grim tusk]

Yea if you just break the rules people usually just tell you

But people meme on people who make meme suggs

[ivory hinge]

i mean, what if they post a meme because they missed the rules?

[grim tusk]

#rules is literally shoved on you when entering the server

[frosty trellis]

Yeah exactly
I don't exactly blame people when someone makes a meme suggestion to meme back I just don't participate

[grim tusk]

Which says no memes

[swift wharf]

clearly it's a personal attack

[wide river]

Alas, not many people read that

[swift wharf]

it's true (i was part of that cycle

[ivory hinge]

yeah but its easy to miss stuff shade lol

[grim tusk]

The circle of the life of a Discord user

[north oracle]

you meme here? you are commiting sacrilege against the sacred calcord

[grim tusk]

Not when shoved in your face tho

[wide river]

I can confirm
The sheer amount of invalid bug reports prove it

[grim tusk]

SOO TRUE

[dense ferry]

It's still really wack when someone just comes and says like "Oh I think this would be really cool" because they are just excited to contribute to the Calamity Mod they like so much and it ends up looking a lot like a meme sugg, then everyone in this chat just colectively gangs up and completely destroys the person's will to live

[ivory hinge]

imo doesnt make much of a difference, some people literally have reading problems lol

[north oracle]

this time instead of calamity design it's suggestions discussion behaviour

[ivory hinge]

either way it isnt an excuse to dogpile on ppl, even if its a meme just telle the person "not appropriate" and move on yknow

[grim tusk]

Yea those times it sucks

[swift wharf]

i simply freed myself from terraria related content

[worldly basalt]

what about when they inevitably just click 'i agree' without reading any of them

[dense ferry]

Unless it's the fabled "add sex" or something like that then just

[swift wharf]

😌

[drowsy plank]

me escaping terraria content like truman escaping the truman show

[dense ferry]

Ping the person and politely say it isn't allowed, no need to trash on them :/

[ivory hinge]

if we had reactions i would give u a thumbs up lol

[swift wharf]

[blazing kettle]

why do people throw pieces of cheese on cats

[grim tusk]

I’ve seen those, if its not deleted and then chat is flooded then people will bring it back up over and over

[north oracle]

funni internet moment

[ivory hinge]

funni

[dense ferry]

Yeah, those you have all the right in the world to completely meme on

[swift wharf]

🏁

[dense ferry]

But in these cases where someone just says "oh add this cool little reference" or "add X because it would be cool" just tell them it isn't allowed in a polite manner

[worldly basalt]

all in a days work 😊

[ivory hinge]

i like this webecca person, they speak facts

[dense ferry]

Byeah, consider this a general warning for you all

[crude geode]

so when are we busting down on 2 hour terraria design convos in this chat

[dense ferry]

NOW!!

[crude geode]

[wide river]

Maybe someone needs to rewrite this and put a "Don't excessively dogpile suggestions" note on it
Would that be something to tell Mod Mail about

[crude geode]

kinda based tbfh

[grim tusk]

Havent had those in a while here, last time it went horribly

[dense ferry]

Hum... I could rewrite that, yeah

Just give me a moment, I will ask the other mods about this

[ripe owl]

Okay what happened while I was sleeping?

[fervent orbit]

not much

[ripe owl]

Yeah, sure

[wide river]

A post appeared that people overly reacted over and we went on a tangent about how people massively dogpile suggestions

[swift wharf]

uhhhhh terraria fishing

[crude geode]

tangent would imply it's not relevant tbfh

[swift wharf]

💣 💥

[crude geode]

I would say it's more relevant than half the stuff that randomly gets brought up

[grim tusk]

There is no Size 2

[crude geode]

https://tenor.com/view/literally1984-1984-big-brother-gif-23819293

[swift wharf]

shutupshutupahuupahutp

[north oracle]

tbf this wasn't even one of the over the top dogpiles, it's a lot worse sometimes

[wide river]

I just use it as a "Side topic to the original conversation" word, but if that's what it implies then so be it

[crude geode]

fair

definitions are funny

[wide river]

Oh yeah, definitely

[ripe owl]

Okay I see

[grim tusk]

Very true, I’ve seen shit

[swift wharf]

cal bad convos........

[north oracle]

it does degenerate into 5 people listing every single reason why a suggestion is bad and why it won't be added and how it breaks every single rule in the book (i'm not saying i haven't been part of it)

moderation here must be so much fun

[wide river]

I'm not even a moderator and I can tell that moderation of this server is massively draining at times

[north oracle]

yeah

[ripe owl]

I literally sometimes wonder how sometimes mods are straight up not available

But that's a story for another channel

[north oracle]

perhaps

[crude geode]

moderators?

[wide river]

Scheduling issues, not being aware of it, being tabbed out, it could be a lot of things
But yeah, not really a suggestions channel thing

[crude geode]

bc they have. lives???????????????

byeah

[swift wharf]

im sorry im not moderating the server 24/7 😭

[north oracle]

and sometimes there's literally noone online while cmt degenerates into complete madness

[sleek turret]

have you tried using mod mail instead of tagging like 2-3 moderators sometimes just to resolve an issue with them tbf

[ripe owl]

I more meant the fact that at some time periods there's like two mods and one of them's in DND.
I won't say any more, I'm getting off the topic

[crude geode]

so true oomfie

[swift wharf]

^

reply jinged auhhfhgh

[ripe owl]

Okay suggestions!!!!!!!

[sleek turret]

I do not care.

[dense ferry]

Welcome to suggestions-discussion! Here you discuss the suggestions posted in suggestions-posting. But first, some important notes and rules...

**Please read this document before you start writing or posting any suggestions: **https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dRB4W_bVX7qj_wAwi-w2E6MTitvIpg0xafeAvKDsLyU/edit?usp=sharing . It contains a list of things that you shouldn't/can't suggest, as well as general rules for suggesting.
(Ping @hollow shell if you have any questions or feedback about this doc.)

• You should post and discuss the rough idea of a suggestion here before going through the trouble of writing one in full, people may have opinions about it from the get-go.
• Do not ping Developers or Moderators about the state of your current suggestion, the bot will always deliver it and answer you about it whenever it does get an update.
• Please do not advertise your suggestion or complain about its star amount, these channels are meant to gauge public reaction passively. Feel free to repost in a weeks time if you feel timing was the issue.
• If the conversation devolves to talking about the mod as a whole/a large part of it, keep it civil. Bashing the mod with non-constructive criticism will not help the devs change what you dislike.
• If you think an item is overpowered or underpowered, please head to the ⁠https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1178515062030348308 forum and make a post about the item there, and the testers will investigate the item to find out what adjustments it needs.
• If someone is debunking your suggestion, or telling you why it's wrong fundamentally, don't take it as a personal attack. The points they make are to help you, they are giving you feedback on the suggestion, not you as a person.
• In case you see any arguments going south and starting to become more aggressive, then message the Mod Mail so a Moderator can take care of it.

Please read all of the pins in this channel, as well as the other suggestion channels.

[north oracle]

text wall

[ripe owl]

ot

[wide river]

Looks good!

[dense ferry]

There

[ripe owl]

ot

[north oracle]

yayy

[wide river]

Thanks Rebecca!

[north oracle]

now we just ping them with

[ripe owl]

Becca, last point, there's "ot" instead of "to"

[grim tusk]

That tags all mods

[ripe owl]

"starting ot become more" blah blah

[dense ferry]

Thanks for the warning

[ripe owl]

👍

[drowsy plank]

minor spelling mistake, i win

[dense ferry]

[crude geode]

beautiful

[wide river]

Hmm. I was thinking about Aureate Booster the other day, and how (I think) it's the only pair of wings that don't have a special boost. I looked at the past suggestions about that, and both of them seem to not have reached the voting criteria, so I think it's time to give it another go

[small timber]

it is also the only pair of wings that deliberately have its special set bonus boost removed

I think the idea is just it is a really fast pair of wing, iirc if have the same stat as Fishron wing despite being post-Plantera, but have 1s less flight time or something like that

[wide river]

Huh, that removal was rather recently. Maybe I'll leave that alone, then.

[half imp]

it has a special boost being insane speed

instead of an actual stat

[keen zodiac]

NEW PIN

[hollow ridge]

i like this sugg

[halcyon zealot]

W sugg

[hybrid steeple]

boss summon rework sugg

i know a couple of them already have devplans.png

but even the less "important" bosses should have summoning methods that arent boring

[cobalt pewter]

Decapodita Sprout should totally grow like Gelatin Crystals

instead of being crafted with shrooms

[ashen warren]

^

[small timber]

something something dev plan that will get 👍 and then proceed to get implemented at a soon™️ date

I thought at some point "unique boss spawn method" was a frequently suggested but I guess it never really entered as Frequently Suggested; only boss spawn animation is there

[atomic shell]

could’ve sworn this is already confirmed

[golden tulip]

least annoying dev response

[eternal escarp]

im sure many devs agree
just we dont get around to do it when theres other things

[eternal escarp]

but this is SO true..

[small timber]

I mean it is 👍 , so soon™️

[eternal escarp]

ill just remind of it
eventually

[unreal saffron]

Xp is cooking fr

Great sugg. I 100 percent agree

[hybrid steeple]

10/10 suggs today

[bright crag]

Indeed

[half imp]

I have never seen posting filled with so many bangers at once

[glass arch]

doesnt yharon go invincible going into p2

or was that changed recently

[dense ferry]

I like how there are

3 changes related to making the final bosses more pretty currently

[lucid flare]

ok good slugestion but u can break the larva to summon queen bee....

[glass arch]

queen bee wasnt mentioned in either of the suggestions

[lucid flare]

;

i'm very good at reading

[swift wharf]

pretty much all vanilla bosses have unique summons

[timid kindle]

when a quarter of the “unique” methods are wait until it spawns randomly, im not sure i want more

[hybrid steeple]

what

when the unique methods are uninteresting you change them to be more interesting

yeah a lot of "unique" summon methods are boring in vanilla

thats also something that could be improved on

[golden tulip]

i think evil bosses, QB, QS and LC are good examples of unique spawn methods

Golem as well, but SCal and Deus already use that

actually skeletron is pretty cool too

[small timber]

I mean pretty much every single vanilla boss summon is unique

with the exception of EoC and 3 mechs which share the same condition of being night'

[wide river]

Aight
Give me a second, I'll pile together every single main and alternative summon method and see which ones are unique

[golden tulip]

yea but like FallenHero said, half of them rely on waiting for something to spawn

fishron, eol, dc

wof

[small timber]

which is already more unique than "click this summon item that you crafted"

fishron is fishing, eol is a special critter, dc is blizzard

[golden tulip]

yea but its also more boring

[small timber]

we are talking about "unique spawning methods" here and I think those do fit

[golden tulip]

i suppose
but not in a necessarily good way

[hybrid steeple]

i love polterghast's summon method but it only works once and making it work every time would be needless grind and reducing the number of enemies needed after the first spawn would suck

though changing it to a different polter-summon-dedicated enemy would be cool

[golden tulip]

theres a lot of potential for a lot of unique spawning methods in calamity but the answer will nigh always be "devplans"

[frosty trellis]

(The problem I have with Polter's summoning method is the grind for phantoplasm as a mage to get supreme mana pots meaning I have to die about 80ish times to polter to get a okayish-stock of supreme pots to the point where I have to either cheat them in or just ignore them in a regular pt as they are just too much of a pain to get)

[small timber]

if by your definition of uniqueness then I dont think calamity qualifies

Scal and Deus is just use a summon item, but at a furniture instead
Hive Mind and Perforator is wait for the cyst to spawn and destroy it, same with Leviathan, AS, Polt, OD

if you just generalize them to "wait a long time" then of course everything lose uniqueness

[hybrid steeple]

yes but most of those feel unique

[golden sonnet]

Me when everything takes time

[hybrid steeple]

hm and perfs are a cyst

[small timber]

Fishron is basically a secret boss that is hidden behind a critter, EoL usually (supposedly) involves capturing the lacewing with bug net and release in the next night, DC/EoC/mechs is whatever that I agree

[hybrid steeple]

leviathan and as are physically provoking the boss

od is an end-of-event boss which i think is the real unique summon method

and polter's unique method could use a lot of improving

[golden tulip]

SCal and Deus - agreed
HM and perf- agreed
levi - kinda, but different enough imo to be fun
as - yes
poltro - sort of but again different enough to be fun
OD - yes, just duke fishron

tbh OD having the exact same spawning method as DF doesnt help with the comparisons between the 2 either

[hybrid steeple]

and i do agree the scal and deus summons could use some improvement

[golden tulip]

actually i forgot OD swoops in at acid rain

[hybrid steeple]

while the whole "sacrifice a heart at the altar" thing works thematically for a "god"

[golden tulip]

but who does that

lol

[hybrid steeple]

it doesnt really fit the astral infection or deus

and scals is just
eh

[small timber]

if anything I think ML is unique, it is the only "chain boss" you do
Skeletron is unique because I don't think anything else does something like that, same for WoF

[golden sonnet]

I like Scal's because it gives you a consistent center for her box, and uses the clone to spawn it

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

its ok

[small timber]

Plantera yeah, Fishron sure; EoL is abit ehh because it is just downgraded fishron spawn method

[golden tulip]

plantera is certainly unique but has the downside of having to find a new one if you fail

[golden sonnet]

Vernal pass fixes that though

[golden tulip]

does it?

idk i havent played in a while

[small timber]

Golem is pretty much whatever, LC is also whatever (look unique, not actually unique), the rest not very notable

oh right EoW and BoC is unique I guess

[hybrid steeple]

yeah vernal fixes that

[golden sonnet]

Vernal pass grows plantera bulbs, so by the time you enter hardmode you'll have like 6+

[hybrid steeple]

i dont think the "actually unique" matters here

[small timber]

you kill 4 mobs that spawn at a location

[drowsy plank]

ez

[small timber]

it look unique because cultist do the whole "sigil" thing so it look fancy

[hybrid steeple]

whether or not, when you break it down to the basest bits, the lc method is the same as the eol summon

is irrelevant

what matters is that it feels unique

which it does

[small timber]

the closest comparison is imagine if you click DoG summon but it have a really fancy summon animation

[hybrid steeple]

instead of killing, say, an npc you have to wait to spawn, it feels like you're actually doing something in-lore

that being interrupting the ritual

[small timber]

but is still a left click summon

[hybrid steeple]

ok

[drowsy plank]

damn no comment on my ideas 😔

but fr any spawn method is unique if it aint "hold thing up in sky from inventory"

[small timber]

comment is good luck getting it into posting without turning into SIS

[golden sonnet]

First time you use the dog summon you trace a constellation with your cursor to get the portal to open, all future attempts just spawn it instantly

[golden tulip]

wdym codebreaker for aureus and pbg?

[drowsy plank]

oh im not posting

i just thought these were cool ideas

[hybrid steeple]

but if it was lets say some sort of portable distortion portal that you could see yourself crack open
even if all you did was left-click

that would feel unique because you did something that makes sense to summon the boss

[small timber]

which is already not just left click

unless you mean the animation autoplay

[drowsy plank]

basically expand codebreaker to somehow involve these bosses
there's already the hypothetical draedtalk being added Eventually™️ so this is how id involve more stuff in lore ways

[golden tulip]

hm

[drowsy plank]

like maybe talking to draedon unlocks items to lure these bosses in, or he gives you the recipes for their remotes or

idk

lots of stuff

[small timber]

I will count that as "unique summon animation" not "unique spawn method"

[hybrid steeple]

yeah i mean like you left click to throw it out and it cracks and makes a portal and dog comes out
thats an example of a left click summon that would feel unique

[small timber]

like Astrum Deus spawn animation look fancy, is it a unique spawn method? no

[drowsy plank]

maybe draedon makes you a recipe for a general boss summon remote and it lets you spawn calclone, aureus, pbg, and exos away from the codebreaker

there's plenty of ideas here

[small timber]

which is what I mean by at that point it is already not "just left click" yeah

[drowsy plank]

they are all his machines after all

[small timber]

in this case LC is "you kill 4 common archer enemy"

[hybrid steeple]

in strictly gameplay yes

[small timber]

but the animation look fancy enough that you will not realise that

[hybrid steeple]

and it makes sense to summon the boss

you didnt make a miniature model of their head, you interrupted the ritual

[golden tulip]

but why would he give you those

[hybrid steeple]

i think making the codebreaker a general draedon stuff spawn method would be cool

[drowsy plank]

to test your abilities lol

[golden tulip]

i suppose but it would also make exos summoning feel less grand tho

[drowsy plank]

same reason he makes you fight exos

[hybrid steeple]

you can get "plaguebringer nuclear codes" from the jungle lab, for example

[drowsy plank]

that is also true

[hybrid steeple]

obviously they wouldnt be as epic as exos though

[golden tulip]

if you spawn them all at the codebreaker then exos is just another test

and not THE test

[drowsy plank]

it's not spawn AT codebreaker

it's just via codebreaker you learn how to summon them

[hybrid steeple]

ok i think we're mixing up mine and cogs ideas

[golden tulip]

idk whats going on anymore

[drowsy plank]

so true

[hybrid steeple]

my idea is that you find draedons activation codes for the various draedon bosses and use them at the codebreaker

which doesnt have any of that epic visuals and just summons the boss, and maybe gives you some info on it

and the exos is still THE test

[drowsy plank]

nah i agree same idea here lol

[wide river]

Just get a blueprint to summon "Draedon" bosses from the Codebreaker... Intriguing idea, I must say

Considering Plaguebringer Goliath, Astrum Aureus, and Calamitas Clone are all just "click to spawn" bosses, that may be of use to them

[golden tulip]

what is this man typing hes been at it for 5 minutes

[hybrid steeple]

i dont like ds being another fishron clone
slime gods is cool. maybe gotten from statis npc though
lets not make frost legion relevant
blizzard spawn chance is good but i dont like "spawn chance" summon methods since it disincentivizes actually using the cool summon methods
brimmy would 100% have a shrine in azafure yeah
i personally dont like calclone being tied to the codebreaker since calamitas is dreadfully lacking in buildup. maybe some foreshadowing with calamitas where she sends it after you somehow?
ravager in blood moon works, esp since blood moons are summonable
prof guards were mentioned to literally ambush you when you step into the profaned biome by cei as an idea so that could work
i like the infernum idea of cv already being in the forsaken archive since its canonically just There but.
idk about signus being spawned with statis but it could work
yeah dog could work with some sort of distortion portal
and yharon i think could have the "burning something" from wof. since phoenix and all. but breaking the egg works too. i dont like him being in the aerie though, feels like that should be at least post-yharon

[hybrid steeple]

she/her

[wide river]

Text wall jumpscare

[golden tulip]

sorry

[hybrid steeple]

id prefer calclone to be linked to calamitas rather than draedon

since scal already lacks foreshadowing

[wide river]

I think a mix of the two would be fine, considering... you know
Calamitas Clone is literally a mixture of magic and machinery
But leaning a bit more towards Calamitas for the clone's summon method may be useful

[hybrid steeple]

i just think there are more than enough draedon bosses

[golden tulip]

i would also like calclone to be more scal but in the new lore calclone is more linked to draedon

than before

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

thats an issue

we dont know much about calclone

[drowsy plank]

she's Something

uhhhhhhhhh simply make permafrost the calamitas foreshadowing

[hybrid steeple]

true he should be too

ok wait i have an idea

[wide river]

Whatever gives that man something more than being "Wizard but again"

[swift wharf]

i am here to say nothing but make seafood work like fish food where you just throw it on the water and AS spawns

[golden sonnet]

Based

[hybrid steeple]

since calclone was designed to test scals capabilities
maybe you make some godly essence and use it to lure her in
unfortunately that feels like it would be a left-click summon

[wide river]

Chum Bucket boss spawner let's go

[hybrid steeple]

i just wish there werent so big of an imbalance between scals foreshadowing and draedons

[swift wharf]

I JUST realized that the thumb is a speechbubble and not an arm

[wide river]

Make it a hold-to-spawn item

Unique!

[hybrid steeple]

draedon gets like seven bosses

plus all the labs

plus codebreaker

[swift wharf]

is calamitas sigil post or pre clone

[hybrid steeple]

and calamitas is going to get like
a biome and permafrost at most from how things are going

[swift wharf]

it's post golem FUCK

[wide river]

Quickly, re-tier the accessory and make it a boss summon

[hybrid steeple]

well. a biome permafrost and one boss

[swift wharf]

YEAH

LIKE

YOU CRAFT THE DORMANT VERSION OF THE ACCESSORY

use it to summon the boss

which activates the acc

[wide river]

👏Unique summon method👏

[swift wharf]

blows up pancake with mind guy png

[hybrid steeple]

AND the biggest "set" of weapons in the game

jesus christ draedon has a lot of content

[wide river]

How would you even give Calamitas more foreshadowing, exactly

More bosses?

Random items with lore shoved in them that no one will read?

[glass arch]

more presence

doesnt need to have bosses or items, do kinda like infernum did and make her randomly show up in places with high lore significance

[hybrid steeple]

you can make the same argument with draedons actually implemented foreshadowing but but go off

[glass arch]

(without the fight obviously)

[hybrid steeple]

like
some sort of equivalent to the codebreaker questline and logs

she'll already have all of azafure for environmental foreshadowing

[swift wharf]

is it foreshadowing when you literally meet his hologram

[hybrid steeple]

thats when the foreshadowing pays off!!

because you actually meet the guy!!

[swift wharf]

i mean thats more telling than foreshadowing

[hybrid steeple]

what

[swift wharf]

like

[hybrid steeple]

are we now arguing that draedon actually has no foreshadowing 😭

[swift wharf]

i wonder who destroyed this former hell city vs the guy

[hybrid steeple]

he has seven bosses that were made by him

multiple labs built by him

logs

[swift wharf]

actually this is me having an issue with the holograms

[hybrid steeple]

he has the entire arsenal set

he has all the schematics

and then you meet him

[glass arch]

draedon has the most foreshadowing of any boss

[swift wharf]

i mean yea yea and yea and yea but then
hologram telling you literally who he is

[hybrid steeple]

and its really cool because hes been built up this whole time

[hybrid steeple]

you mean the ones in the labs?

[swift wharf]

yeah

[hybrid steeple]

idk i think they dont compromise it that much

its like seeing a poster depicting some ruler you then meet later or something

[swift wharf]

fair nuff

[hybrid steeple]

like hes still not there in person

its just this small low-quality hologram

and its all prerecorded too

[swift wharf]

i mean he is never in person

[hybrid steeple]

with the recon body technically

but yeah scal will have all of azafure for environmental foreshadowing and small item descriptions

but she currently has very few bosses meaningfully linked to her and nowhere near as much equipment

and even with azafure she'll still have much much less because draedon has logs and schematics

[glad tiger]

Hey guys I just started calamity but didn't realize it was supposed to be in expert so I made a new character and world but still don't have the revenge item from the beginning bag could anyone help?

[hybrid steeple]

so i think an equivalent system for her

would be good

[small timber]

#help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk fits better

[hybrid steeple]

a: this is suggestion discussion
b: there are no more difficulty items, click the icon near your healthbar

[hybrid steeple]

something like finding the places scal has been hiding out since she left yharim and permafrost

and finding her notes on magic and journal entries

and maybe using those to craft similar relevant weapons as draedon

[hybrid steeple]

esp since scal and draedon are meant to be a sort of dual penultimate boss with equal attention but just on opposite sides of the technology-magic scale
but only draedon has good buildup

[glass arch]

only draedon really has buildup

[hybrid steeple]

no scal has buildup

its just two lore items

[fervent orbit]

2 lore items and a boss

[hybrid steeple]

three actually

and yeah calclone

she'll get more with the crags rework but still
draedon has so much fucking content

[wide river]

I ended up making that comparison from earlier
It might help a bit with the conversation here

Plus I might make a suggestion later if it won't be "high effort"

[hybrid steeple]

lunar events moment

[wide river]

Whoops

I glossed over that

[glass arch]

lunar events deserve to be forgotten

tbh tbh

[hybrid steeple]

lunar events are cool (as a lore nerd in gameplay theyre eh)

[wide river]

Lunar events in concept are cool

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[wide river]

Lunar events in execution are pain

[golden sonnet]

Lunar events aren't as awful with calamity reduces the needed kills and makes enemies drop frags, even still they drag on

[drowsy plank]

it's so weird how lunars are the first time terraria decides to make event enemies actually difficult

[wide river]

And then they sometimes feel overtuned
Looking at you, Solar and Nebula pillars

[drowsy plank]

they're all obnoxious to some degree

mostly because it's hard to dodge enemies projectiles who are just completely off screen

[fervent orbit]

pirate captain?

[drowsy plank]

just get behind a wall lmao

[wide river]

Vortex was fine, until the Fire Nation attacked 1.4.4 buffed the shotgun dudes

[drowsy plank]

and the spirit is just a fancy wraith

[wide river]

Pirate captains can be difficult, if they just decide to jump you day 1 of hardmode

If you get a bit more prep time, though, they're somewhat okay to deal with

[drowsy plank]

cal certainly relieves a lot of their difficulty with the ability to get a lot better gear quickly

[wide river]

Actually hold on that needs some revision

[grim tusk]

Dogtooth

[wide river]

The entire reason I made this is because I did a Rogue playthrough recently, and that thing goes from somewhat ok to "Why is this able to be used in endgame" very quickly

[lucid flare]

small correction

[wide river]

Yes, I realize there are errors in that document

Thank you for pointing that out, though

[fossil finch]

"it feels" ok but like, does one actually do

[crude geode]

Isn’t this just a balance sugg

Disguised under “rework dog tooth”

[fossil finch]

you could argue all rework suggs to be balance suggs under this rethoric

[wise helm]

Who knows when there will be new bosses? Or weapons and lore? Like a global update?

[drowsy plank]

no one

also this isnt the channel to ask questions

[blazing kettle]

how isnt this marked by bot

[ripe owl]

@civic sable your formatting is wrong

Other than that it's a fine suggestion

[civic sable]

I don't know how to format it

[blazing kettle]

look at the sugg above yours

thats how you format it

[civic sable]

i dont know how to make it bolded or whatever

[ripe owl]

** around the text

[civic sable]

oh

[ripe owl]

**bold**

That's... Still not valid

It is formatted but it's just not valid

[civic sable]

how does it work?

[ripe owl]

Again, refer to the suggestion above. It has an explaining title and a proper reasoning as to why the Rotten Dogtooth should be reworked
If anything, I'd recommend you to try and rewrite your suggestion with the same idea in mind

[civic sable]

was i supposed to only shift enter once?

did that work i just copy pasted it

[ripe owl]

Uuuuuh, no, it's still the same

[civic sable]

I dont understand how this works

[ripe owl]

Okay let me try it

...

...actually, I cannot come up with at least a proper beginning for this suggestion

People that are smarter than me will definitely tell you what to do

[civic sable]

i rewrote it by hand without auto correct if that worked

[golden sonnet]

What I believe zavarski is trying to say is that your phrasing/formatting should be reworked

Treat it like you are making a request to the devs, and justifying why your request is valid. "I think _____ should be added because of ______"

[civic sable]

oh

[ripe owl]

Yes

If only I was actually good at wording in the first place

[golden sonnet]

so remove all of the "this is just a minor detail" "I don't mind if it's implimented, etc. Something like "I think the background should be changed during yharon's fight because it would add to the atmosphere of the fight, making the boss stand out more and emphasize yharon as a lore relevent/major boss"

I threw that together in seconds, so just a generl idea

[civic sable]

done

did it work?

[drowsy plank]

mmm

"would be cool"

[civic sable]

idk

[drowsy plank]

but i suppose it is also an aesthetic change so there isn't exactly a ton of room for reasoning

[civic sable]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

anyway that was my mod talking, now i can personally say i think his sugg sucks ass bc it's going to create so much visual noise when the fight already has so much orange and movement and everyone and their mom complains about visibility in calamity

[ripe owl]

Sp true oomfir...

[golden sonnet]

some of it's justified to be fair, Cryogen been changed like 4 times lmao

[glass arch]

that reminds me does prov have good outlines now

[drowsy plank]

projectiles look fine, i guess if ur colorblind they could be hard to see in hell at most, and still no burning outline, but otherwise fine

also just turn off backgrounds lol

so idk

[civic sable]

well at least make it noticeable without blocking everything like just have a pattern in the background thats noticeable but not crazy. and anyways you can just turn the background off.

[drowsy plank]

well this wouldnt be part of that toggle

[civic sable]

welp

[drowsy plank]

can you turn off callie or DoG's effects? i dont think you can

[golden sonnet]

Does yharon already do a screen tint? he does right?

[drowsy plank]

he does yes

bright orange tint

[drowsy plank]

i just cant imagine a way to do the effect you're asking without it being intrusive or noticable tbh

[civic sable]

yeah thinking about it now it'd be difficult to even try

maybe just make the tint shaded to look round?

[hybrid steeple]

orange attacks on swirling orange background under an orange tint

[civic sable]

new nohit challenge

idk it was cool in my head

[hollow shell]

popping in to say

I big agree with the boss spawn method suggestion, and have proposed things to that effect for several years now, which never got added (story of my life)

I agree with the Yharon phase transition suggestion, good potential for a memorable moment there

I dunno enough about Rotten Dogtooth and its balance to comment on it (though hearing it can be used until endgame is actually kinda cool)
May be worth #1042197406776827914 instead

And the Yharon BG sugg could be cool but could be visually busy, we'd have to be careful with it

[small timber]

The tldr of rotten dogtooth is that it sometimes is as good as venerated locket

(basically it randomly scale off the chart end game)

[bright crag]

Agreed on everything

[hybrid steeple]

hmmm
thinking maybe i should put the more scal foreshadowing thing into a sugg
would that be high effort if my main proposal involves some sort of equivalent to the labs "questline"

[small timber]

Unironically while I agree with reworking rotten dogtooth (Shade probably do too), the suggestion reasoning is on the lacking side

Why cant this accessory be allowed to work at endgame? And also "feels like" is not very convincing

Especially that the item is not super good early game

[hollow shell]

Draedon does indeed have a lot more buildup than SCal
or any other boss in the game for that matter

[hybrid steeple]

yeah
and while it makes sense for him to have that much buildup since.

[lucid flare]

the only buildup for scal is, her clone & that;s it

[hybrid steeple]

one of the two penultimate bosses

not so much more than his counterpart

[lucid flare]

and some lore items

[dense ferry]

"Unfinished Mod" yadda yadda

[hybrid steeple]

and permafrost + cryogen

[hybrid steeple]

yeah i know theres some devplans.png for it

but im thinking things that havent really been talked about

[dense ferry]

She is ought to get more foreshadowing, of course, and so is the five big dudes of Post ML

[hollow shell]

Is Scal part of Cryo's lore now

[hybrid steeple]

bc i know azafure is coming

[dense ferry]

Yeah, she is

[hybrid steeple]

and thatll have scal foreshadowing

[dense ferry]

She is the one that put Permafrost in it, for unknown reasons at least

[lucid flare]

this;;;;;

[hybrid steeple]

ok lemme draft this

[lucid flare]

i was just reminded of how shafted dog got (in boss rush, speicifically)

[small timber]

Cryo can slowly turn red and burning at later phase instead of just a melting ice cube if scal helped created cryogen

[dense ferry]

But so far I propose that she wanted to kill Permafrost, but after downing him, she realized that was bad and locked him for one reason or the other

Byeah Perma's imprisonment is still a topic of debate

[lucid flare]

it's extremely wack...

[hollow shell]

DoG has three buildup bosses
But I spose they are all immediately before him, and he could use more foreshadowing throughout the game other than one or two mentions in Drae lab tablets

This is a convo we've had before

[dense ferry]

Yeah, again

Providence, DoG, Yharon and Cal are all planned to be properly foreshadowed in better ways in the future

[lucid flare]

how did calamari even lock up permafrost in the ice icosahedron the first place if she has fire magic

[dense ferry]

Draedon will most likely get some stuff here and there but nothing major, considering his status currently

Foreshadowing-wise, of course, there is the whole Codebreaker stuff

[bright crag]

Especially with Sentinels being a pretty informal group rn

[hollow shell]

By "planned" do you mean "We should do something about this eventually" or "We have exact ideas written down and we know which updates we want to add them in"

[bright crag]

Their ties to DoG are just
"Distortion"

[dense ferry]

Iirc you are planning on spacing them out aren't you?

[dense ferry]

The latter

[hollow shell]

Alright

[dense ferry]

Well, not sure if it's "exact", but

[bright crag]

Exact? No
But we have an idea of what, and a defined "when"

[dense ferry]

Well, I better let Stip talk this out now

[small timber]

Which is what I meant by this idea, ice is still magic but probably is not her specialty (and why would you lock an ice mage in an ice cube, just increase break out risk)

So it can be that "in reality it is a fire prison encased in ice" or something to make it non-suspicious

[bright crag]

For example, Calamitas foreshadowing would come with Crags rework ideally

[hollow shell]

That would be very wacky

[small timber]

But yeah too specific and significantly alter the theme of the boss

[dense ferry]

Too much effort tbh yeah

Would demand a major resprite too

[bright crag]

Yeah, it would be wacky
Especially since there are already 3 Brimstone-related bosses

Which unfortunately have the exact same magic

You'd expect Calamitas' magic to be darker, more occultish
While Brimmy's would be raw, elemental fire

[dense ferry]

Byeah I imagine Sunken Sea will be an all around for these, Crags would obviously be Cal, Astral won't feature much I believe, Abyss won't either, I won't even say a thing about Profaned, Distortion or Aerie since these are obvious

Foreshadowing-wise

[hybrid steeple]

Give Supreme Witch, Calamitas More Foreshadowing
Calamitas, along with Draedon, is one of the two final bosses of the mod currently, and one of the two penultimate bosses in the mod's plans. Despite this, Draedon has an overwhelming amount of foreshadowing, the only character surpassing him in this being Yharim. Draedon has, in total, six bosses, six unique structures and two repeating structures, along with their custom pieces of furniture, blocks, and critters, an entire questline, multiple logs from his perspective, decodable schematics, and one of the largest sets of weapons in the game, and that's only before his initial appearance.

Calamitas, on the other hand, has two bosses (one of which is also foreshadowing for Draedon), an NPC, and a biome linked to her, many of which do not even mention her, and are only revealed to be linked to her through lore items. Despite being Draedon's counterpart, she is extremely starved in terms of buildup. Because of this, I suggest more foreshadowing be given to Calamitas. As an example, she could be given an equivalent to the Codebreaker/Bio-Center Labs questline, allowing the player to uncover her writings in a similar way to Draedon's, and perhaps unlock Calamitas-themed weapons in a similar way to Draedon.

ok how does this look

[bright crag]

Abyss will

Silva:

[dense ferry]

Again, for Boss foreshadowing

Silva isn't a Boss

[bright crag]

Oh, for boss specifically

[dense ferry]

As far as I'm aware

[bright crag]

Well....

[dense ferry]

I WILL KILL YOU

[bright crag]

It will give some context for AEW

[dense ferry]

Oh ok it's not about Silva being a Boss

[bright crag]

Not a boss, but a formidable foe

Yeah, Silva won't be a boss

We're not adding bosses past the 3 planned lol

[dense ferry]

Tbh Lore suggestions are kind of uneeded right now

[bright crag]

Silva battle (she instantly crushes you with sequioa-sized vines)

[dense ferry]

Because everything we ask for has already been confirmed to be delivered eventually

And the Lore Writers, specially Cei, are not fucking around

[frosty trellis]

Shade knows that dogtooth is usable endgame already
It does some dumb shit with stuff like Scarlet Devil and Wrathwing Stealth iirc

[bright crag]

Speaking of that I should probably get going with the Aerialite books

[hybrid steeple]

yeah
i just dunno if whatever buildup will be in the crags rework (probably a lot but still) will be enough to be equivalent

[dense ferry]

I mean, considering five labs spread across the world and a few pages worth of text + a handful of Bosses are considered well enough for Draedon

[bright crag]

In that sense, we have the same view as you :p
We can see Calamitas lacking in foreshadowing while Draedon has a ton of it

[dense ferry]

Actually just a sec

[bright crag]

So, we will take that into consideration

[hybrid steeple]

thats underselling it a bit

Draedon has, in total, six bosses, six unique structures and two repeating structures, along with their custom pieces of furniture, blocks, and critters, an entire questline, multiple logs from his perspective, decodable schematics, and one of the largest sets of weapons in the game.

[dense ferry]

This is true tbh

Byeah like

Crags won't be all

Sunken Sea is around the corner and Cal FUCKING BURNED IT

[hybrid steeple]

yeah but like

[bright crag]

Some stuff is just kinda
"How do we even fix it?"
Like, how do you expect Calamitas to have an Arsenal of her own :p

[hybrid steeple]

i dont expect her to have an arsenal

[dense ferry]

Also Permafrost and Amidias have deep connections with her, some of their dialogue can and surely will reference her in some way

[hybrid steeple]

but at least something that can be compared to the massive bio-center lab questline

[bright crag]

In terms of presence, that's covered

I mean
Cal kinda
Incinerated two biomes

And we will add more stuff to the context and foreshadowing of Calamitas

[dense ferry]

I think it's also incredibly more fitting for her to be like

Not mentioned in extent detail

But rather loosely in a lot of scenarios

[hybrid steeple]

i brought up the idea earlier of being able to find her hideouts after she left yharim and permafrost and find her notes and stuff

but thats just a rough idea

[bright crag]

Yeah, tru

[golden sonnet]

To be fair brimmy helped with one of those

[hybrid steeple]

and also like
draedon is still getting more content

[bright crag]

Tru

[dense ferry]

That's still one and a half

[hybrid steeple]

draete is coming

and scal doesnt have an equivalent for logs or draete

[dense ferry]

I mean

[hybrid steeple]

she has her own npc

[bright crag]

She is literally there

[golden sonnet]

lmao, that's one and a half more than I've ever done

[bright crag]

And that's kinda wasted potential all things considered

[dense ferry]

We are completely clueless about what her NPC dialogue will be like

[hybrid steeple]

but unless an extensive dialogue system is there (which might happen, i dunno) shes not really talking to you

[bright crag]

I hope we can figure something out for a dialogue system, because Terraria's system for dialogue.... sucks

[dense ferry]

True

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[bright crag]

Draete just dodges the problem by adding its own dialogue UI lol

[dense ferry]

Byeah

[small timber]

something something dev plan that will get 👍 (or maybe 🔒 in this case) and then proceed to get implemented at a soon™️ date

[hybrid steeple]

its just that her being there as an npc firing off witty dialogue and giving you enchantments is uh
Not Equivalent to the multiple pages of in-character lore dump that draedon has and is getting

[dense ferry]

I much prefer Cal being a looming presence with vague mentions over the entire duration of the game over her being just like Draedon

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[bright crag]

Same

[dense ferry]

Because this ALSO goes into the idea of them being opposites

[small timber]

scal just want to murder you yes

[bright crag]

Well, it's not just her NPC, as we've discussed above :p

[small timber]

rather than draedon who just want you as test subject
there is close to no reason for scal to actually communicate with the player and all she want is just the player gone

[hybrid steeple]

idk besides her literally living with you

[dense ferry]

And seriously I still can't fathom how Rage and Adrenaline fit perfectly within the SCal and Draedon motifs, by complete accident

[bright crag]

You'd have to go find traces of Calamitas' presence

[bright crag]

SO TRUE

Even their functionalities kinda match
Adrenaline demands precision, while Rage demands proximity
Draedon is all about being precise and calculating, while SCal literally boxes you in for the fight

[drowsy plank]

i mean if that isn't a solution idk what is

wouldn't be the first time cal replaced a system outright

[dense ferry]

Rage is a raw feeling while Adrenaline is a chemical that your heart pumps out

Even the sound, Rage is more guthural and "hellish" while Adrenaline is electrical and techonologic

[hybrid steeple]

ok ive derailed this from the original sugg but
now youve got me talking about this again
this works well for her foreshadowing so long as its done right
but when shes literally and actually there and amicable to you
like. she represents the pinnacle of terraria's magical knowledge just as draedon represents the technology
and giving her less lore dump feels like a waste
but yeah probably devplans.png for this one too

[small timber]

if she is actually present (or at least close to you) she will just kill you outright and right there

[hybrid steeple]

guy whose never beaten scal ^

like there is an entire npc

[small timber]

yeah I never beat scal, just installed the mod yesterday
scal is a hard fight ok, not everyone can do it

[dense ferry]

Calamitas Running Sequence after you kill Moon Lord

[hybrid steeple]

ok ive ranted about scals foreshadowing and how she should have a draete equivalent 3 times now

[small timber]

‎

[hybrid steeple]

mhm mhm

[ripe owl]

they (I am sorry as always)

[worldly basalt]

i think this falls under being too big a suggestion

yea this one @buoyant atlas

[glass arch]

while it would be cool its unfortunately a dont

[buoyant atlas]

i know but eh worth a try

[worldly basalt]

seems like a seperate mod thing tbh

[glass arch]

plus the surface is full of enough shit already

[worldly basalt]

confection biome real

[worldly basalt]

it would just be alternate hallow like crim to corr if i read it correctly

[buoyant atlas]

yep

[wide river]

One thing: Usually we try and steer away from suggesting two things in one suggestion
Just as a notice for future ideas you have

[buoyant atlas]

k

[glass arch]

ah

surface is still packed full o shit

[buoyant atlas]

the other one was minor because how the heck do dark souls fit with monsters of blood and flesh

[worldly basalt]

true. remove the oceans theyre boring

[glass arch]

same way nights edge fits in with crimson (it doesnt do it very well)

[dense ferry]

I think this is

Straight up a don't, sorry

[worldly basalt]

its just a general 'soul of evil'ish kind thing or something like that

[worldly basalt]

yea we already went over that 🤷

[wide river]

I think the idea is that Souls of Night are considered to be "Dark", rather than "Corrupt"

[worldly basalt]

dont think about it too hard :p

[buoyant atlas]

and how does souls of night fit in with the livning monsters of crimson flesh and red gore

[glass arch]

just remember, souls of night were added before the crimson was a thing

[dense ferry]

I will ❗ that rq

[buoyant atlas]

i know

[worldly basalt]

think about it: the inside of a body doesnt have much light inside
this is totally the reasoning btw. i can confirm, i am redigit

[wide river]

Frankly I have no idea. Re-Logic didn't want to add an item that was functionally identical to another item that already serves the same purpose, I guess

[worldly basalt]

different colored gel, but for night souls maybe

that'd be neat

[wide river]

Make Souls of Night colored red when acquired from the Crimson?
That could work, potentially, depending on how easy it is to make items differently colored depending on biomes

[glass arch]

they have done that like... 2-4 times depending if you count the alt pre hardmode ores crafts as separate occurances

[worldly basalt]

they can make it change depending on what color slime dropped gel, shouldnt be too hard
although this doesnt seem like a calamity mod thing, just a misc mod thing

[glass arch]

though that doesnt really count because you cant just not give them crafts

[worldly basalt]

could just make them make the same craft different materials, like with most iron/lead crafts

rename gold/plat crown to just 'crown'

[buoyant atlas]

but anyways

biome idea understandable too hard to do

Blood Souls Doable But more of a maybe

[worldly basalt]

not likely, seems more of a thing for a small misc. mod

[buoyant atlas]

🤷‍♂️ welp least its not red crabulon

[lucid flare]

the Pyrogen in question:

[buoyant atlas]

i was already confused by calamity fandom once already regarding the wall of bronze

[lucid flare]

pyrogen is actually real

[worldly basalt]

fandom wiki is a weird place

[lucid flare]

just not right now

[worldly basalt]

i saw it out my window once

[lucid flare]

;Bro

its in the changelogs!!! for 1.4.4

[worldly basalt]

oh fr?

FTW probably

[lucid flare]

GFB actually 🤓

[worldly basalt]

specifically gfb?

[lucid flare]

i mean

[buoyant atlas]

gfb?

[worldly basalt]

unfortunat

[lucid flare]

no reason for it to be "delayed"

[worldly basalt]

get fixed boi, secret seed that has effects of all other

[lucid flare]

if it wasn't get fixed boi

[buoyant atlas]

oh right

[worldly basalt]

1.4.4 revamped a lot of the FTW changes to bosses though didnt it

[lucid flare]

never played it xDDDD

[worldly basalt]

iirc the only thing gfb-specific was mechdusa

[buoyant atlas]

wait isnt providence a holy goddess? thus a light god thus a light area can be made (this is a joke dont take it seriously:P)

[worldly basalt]

?

[buoyant atlas]

im just being silly

[worldly basalt]

ok

[lucid flare]

i didn't understand your joke

[glass arch]

a profaned biome is coming eventually

[buoyant atlas]

oh well then

[glass arch]

and prov is distinctly not holy or a god of light

[lucid flare]

providence is....

[blazing kettle]

i know thus was probably already talked to death about but if you read the suggposting rules, why would you make the sugg anyways?

[lucid flare]

it's unsure what she's a god of? but she seems to be very hellbent on using fire for her plans

[worldly basalt]

kinda mad in general

[buoyant atlas]

it was ment for it to be a consider not add in

[glass arch]

prov is the goddess of profanity and profaned shit

[lucid flare]

yea she's the goddess of swear words

[dense ferry]

Provi is more or less fire and stuff based

[glass arch]

old prov was a thematic mess

[blazing kettle]

all suggs are posted for devs to consider

[wide river]

Old Providence was a boss that existed

[dense ferry]

But she is called the Profaned/Unholy Goddess because she goes against the very Gods

Since she wants to fucking burn everything

[worldly basalt]

they should give her dialogue where she just spams swears

[buoyant atlas]

X)

[worldly basalt]

if they didnt want to get burned then why are they so flammable? checkmate yharim

[lucid flare]

*providence gets defeated*
"What? How can this be? Bested by this... this thing? You insignificant FUCK! THIS IS NOT OVER!"

[wide river]

Just have the dynamic text do #$!% every few seconds

[bright crag]

Providence killed the Dragon of Slurs

[dense ferry]

Nah

[buoyant atlas]

surprised d.o.g hasn't eaten provi yet

[north oracle]

So I understand wanting to express what you want to see in the mod
But you read the rules

[worldly basalt]

too spicy 😢 🥵

[wide river]

Just don't look on the subreddit and you'll be fine

[north oracle]

Oh god

[fossil finch]

Prov is gonna be the god of moving stuff with your mind or some weird shit wdk

[north oracle]

Never look on the subreddit

[dense ferry]

"What the FUCK do you mean I was defeated by a piece of SHIT that barely knows how to wield a sword? I swear to FUCKING GOD that I will burn your doorknob so FUCKING HARD that it will be considered a FUCKING Steam key!"

Idk

[buoyant atlas]

let me guess stuff id want to unsee

[bright crag]

[dense ferry]

I'm bad today

[fossil finch]

Her powers and thematics are so varied and she's the only god we know of whose actual powers aren't stated or implied by name at all

She's very probably not the goddess of fire or funny crystals or rocks or weird tree roots

[worldly basalt]

probably just the god of heat and flames in general or something

oh yea i forgor the crystal

[wide river]

There's femboy DoG, so yea

[fossil finch]

Very iffy about her god status being actually related to fire itself

[lucid flare]

you're weak

[fossil finch]

It's just the tool she uses

[worldly basalt]

shes actually the god of oil or something

[dense ferry]

Well, it's her main power

And we have

Slime God (is a slime and fights with a slime)

Goddess of Life (fights with life)

[glass arch]

this is starting to turn into lore discussion

[dense ferry]

God of Light (fights with light)

[fossil finch]

That's true but we feel that like, she wouldn't have the rocks or the crystal if she was mainly fire god

Awesome

[buoyant atlas]

but yeah of all the gods d.o.g has eaten im really suprised provi, moonlord and goozma slip out his grasp

[fossil finch]

Ml isn't a god

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/killer-queen-killer-queen-jojo-killer-queen-has-already-touched-the-doorknob-killer-queen-door-gif-19314883

[fossil finch]

Ml lore is so funny

[lucid flare]

well these guys kinda run away a whole lot so

[glass arch]

ml isnt a god, goozma doesnt exist

[fossil finch]

Ml is probably noxus related now that we think about it

[wide river]

All chats become lore discussion once Providence theming is brought up

[fossil finch]

Alternatively they're just really funky and wanted to dunk random people

[glass arch]

goozma was repurposed into noxus and as of new lore dog serves noxus in some form

[lucid flare]

kinda spoiler?? idk: ||also according to the calamity lore document (which might not be canonical) the devourer might actually serve noxus??? so||

[dense ferry]

Every chat becomes Lore Discussion if me or Cei are around

[fossil finch]

devourer is implied to serve something

[lucid flare]

[fossil finch]

That something is implied to be noxus

[worldly basalt]

quick, whats the origin of that abyss snail pet

[fossil finch]

(Very much heavily so)

[dense ferry]

The Lore Document is an encyclopedia for the Lore

Everything there is canon

[wide river]

It's a dev item, so none lore related

[dense ferry]

And yeah, DoG serves Noxus, this is straight up confirmed

[worldly basalt]

just make the devs canon

[lucid flare]

i may be stupid, because i could never have guessed the doggy was following noxus

[fossil finch]

Feel like ml may be in a similar situation however we do not posses the knowledgeable to support that theory

[worldly basalt]

theyre from the same place

[buoyant atlas]

eh goozma not exists yet there is lore an concept of it?

[wide river]

So true

[lucid flare]

1: i didn't know that

[worldly basalt]

removed, replaced withg noxus

[dense ferry]

^

[bright crag]

Providence would probably be something like
Goddess of Purification/Absolution

[worldly basalt]

makes sense

[dense ferry]

Clearly

[fossil finch]

that'd make very much sense

[dense ferry]

Goddess of Baptism

[bright crag]

There isn't a precise word for "cleansing with fire" afaik

[worldly basalt]

can't have any flaws if there's nothing there to be flawed in the first place

[cobalt pewter]

cauterize?

[fossil finch]

At the same time that's one hell of an abstract concept to be a god of

[wide river]

Let me go on a quick look through the Internet

[fossil finch]

GODDESS OF CAUTERIZATION

[dense ferry]

Maybe, but Goddess of Cauterization/Cauterizing/idfk sounds

Ass.

[fossil finch]

(Cauterize doesn't work that's a thing you do to wounds

[worldly basalt]

i dont think cauterization is specifically purification

yea

[lucid flare]

Incinération

[cobalt pewter]

does it involve cleaning the wounds and fire? if so then yes

byeah

[fossil finch]

we mean

The point isnt really cleaning the wound

[worldly basalt]

prov doesn't clean wounds, she incinerates the person with the wound

[bright crag]

Incineration sounds more fitting

[wide river]

Cauterization is simply stopping bleeding with a really hot thing

[dense ferry]

It means stopping a bleeding by burning it, so like

[fossil finch]

Its fucking up the flesh so you stop bleeding

[dense ferry]

No, actually

[worldly basalt]

it's like welding, but meat

[lucid flare]

providence isn't the goddess of purifying, she just burns things and calls it that

[dense ferry]

She burns things to purify them

[wide river]

Yea, that sounds good

[bright crag]

Providence doesn't clean wounds
She removes the wound, the entire bearer of the wound to be exact

[worldly basalt]

yea thats purification

[buoyant atlas]

welp im tired and need sleep now heres though to hope some good sugestions come on out as good ones unlike my attempts tho anyway gn all

[worldly basalt]

'purity' has nothing to do with 'cleanliness' or 'goodness'

[wide river]

Can't die of wounds if you die of other things

[dense ferry]

"You can't be hurt if you are all hurt"

[wide river]

G'night

[fossil finch]

generally Providence being a goddess of an abstract concept works but it's also weird cuz there's no other such example

Life is much less abstract thank you

[dense ferry]

There is

A lot of them

[worldly basalt]

it's still pretty abstract though

[lucid flare]

can't feel pain if your nerves are charred

[dense ferry]

We literally have the Dragon of Rebirth sitting around

And the Slime God right around the corner

[fossil finch]

Light is literally just a physical thing, slime is fucking slime and we also feel rebirth is much less abstract as a concept than purifying

[dense ferry]

If there is a God for literal barely sentient blobs I don't see how there couldn't be a God for purification

[fossil finch]

Don't feel "slime" is abstract when its a naturally occurring type of being in terraria

[dense ferry]

Also light isn't physical smh.....................

[fossil finch]

Oh we don't mean that reb

[worldly basalt]

light in REAL life is just photons
light in terraria? not at all

[fossil finch]

We just mean that like, other gods arent gods over concepts so abstract

[bright crag]

And tbf
I could see Providence's poorly defined domain being partially influenced by a terrible compatibility with the dragon

[dense ferry]

Light is the same thing

Otherwise we would be

Dead

[fossil finch]

yeah no light still works relatively the same

[dense locust]

how did this whole providence thing start again?

[dense ferry]

Because light is literally everywhere we see

[fossil finch]

At least that's easier assuming

Why would we assume otherwise ever

[dense ferry]

What you are referring to is Primordial Light

[bright crag]

The dragons protected the world
For the most part, as vile as the Gods were, they still wanted the world to be there

Providence? Nah. Let's just destroy the world!!!!!!!

[fossil finch]

Xerocs brand of light can be different all you want but normal light is like whatever

[dense ferry]

Which is an entirely different can of worms

[fossil finch]

Yeah that makes sense

[worldly basalt]

sure there's normal light but like
souls of light don't just light stuff up

they're used in making magic weapons etc

[fossil finch]

Being completely out of tune with the soul you're absorbing just fucks its domain a lot

Souls of light aren't light at all

They've just a fancy name

[dense ferry]

I hope

You are being ironic.

[bright crag]

Yeah
The Light-Night dichotomy

[dense ferry]

Otherwise Cei really is right Terraria players don't understand metaphores

[worldly basalt]

i'm literally saying that "Light" in terraria is not just normal light like in real life

[dense ferry]

It is

It literally is

[fossil finch]

Souls are Souls and their names come from related properties

[bright crag]

It kinda needs to be there because of the -ight scheme too

[worldly basalt]

so xeroc is just a big lightbulb?

[dense locust]

#light-disscussion when?

[dense ferry]

Refer to this

I almost pinned my message 😭

[fossil finch]

For terraria to work logically we need to assume that light is, indeed, a bunch of photons working like they do in real life

[dense ferry]

Empress of Light does not use actual light for her attacks

[worldly basalt]

yea thats literally what i was saying

[dense ferry]

It's a brand of magic that is based off light, which I will say is Starlight Magic

[fossil finch]

Whatever the fuck primordial light is doing is wholly different, but, as far as we are aware, zeratros being the dragon of light does mean it infact has All Light as a domain, which includes both normal light and Primordial Light

Which probably means Xeroc could technically be a big lightbulb if they had no shame and nothing better to do with their time and objectively better more useful powers than blinding people

[worldly basalt]

blinding people is really useful 😡 😡

[fossil finch]

It's very easy to evade

Like, look away

[bright crag]

If she attacked with light

[fossil finch]

Close your eyes

[bright crag]

The battle would be quite anticlimatic ngl

[worldly basalt]

simply make the light appear inside the eye, cant dodge it 😎

[dense ferry]

Two outcomes

1 - Nothing hits you
2 - You die instantly

[fossil finch]

inside the eye it wouldn't be able to like, do things we think

You'd have to do it like just in the pupil

[worldly basalt]

make the eyelids emit light 👍

[dense ferry]

UNLESS you took the One Piece route of just making the speed of light not instantly explode everything

[fossil finch]

Also yeah that's relatively funny

[bright crag]

Seeing you all speaking about Primordial Light while knowing exactly what it is is just

🍿

[fossil finch]

because light produces a lot of energy

[dense ferry]

And deal with the speed with some kind of bullshit

(In One Piece's case Kenbunshoku Haki)

[fossil finch]

And intense light uses a lot of it

So like you could probably kill someone by photon blasting probably you'd just need a concentrated laser beam that requires more energy than possible in any reasonable scale

So like if xeroc and eol attacked you with it, provided they have enough energy, they'd biden blast you out of existence immediatly

Truth is they probably don't therefore its just light

[dense ferry]

Xeroc has Primordial Light

Empress has Starlight

[fossil finch]

Which is why the light magic proves infinitely more useful anyway

[dense ferry]

Or Primordial Light, if fought in daytime

[fossil finch]

did you know a lot of biology is not about being cool but about being energy efficient? This is one of the reasons our brain is awesome

Truly discussing suggestions

anyways they've already gone to sleep but blood souls are a generally bad idea

No reason for them to exist really and they kill the "Ight" Soul naming game

[dense ferry]

I mean, if we have to talk about the actual idea

Nevermind

[fossil finch]

What was she cooking

Like we're picturing you were about to start talking about making blood souls irl

[dense ferry]

I was trying to find a name with "ight" for blood

But I have no idea

[worldly basalt]

blight

[fossil finch]

yeah don't think that exists bloodight clearly

[dense locust]

spite?

[worldly basalt]

doesnt end in 'ight'

[lucid flare]

blight but the b stands for blood

[fossil finch]

No blights' taken up plus doesn't fit

[lucid flare]

no it isn't

[worldly basalt]

eh blight and crimson do fit imo

[fossil finch]

They dont and our opinion is better obviously therefo

[lucid flare]

• we already killed bloody edge for being a crimson variant to an item that wasn't corruption themed, no reason to add those

[fossil finch]

Also yes its taken up by every mod ever

[worldly basalt]

crimson is described as pretty much a sentient cancerous growth isn't it? sounds like a blight to me

[worldly basalt]

Ocram was never real

[fossil finch]

Ok but it's better for like

Astral or Corruption

Because Crimson is less of a Disease Thing and more of a Fucked Up Flesh Being thing

It's also technically just fucked up god essence now

[dense ferry]

Corruption and Crimson have kind of the same lore yeah

[fossil finch]

All bad poopy biomes are concentrations of fucked up leftover magic from god killing

[swift wharf]

cancer vs necrosis

[fossil finch]

Wdk if astral counts actually

Don't remember

[swift wharf]

astral is radiation

trust

[fossil finch]

Ah clearly

Like in mor

[swift wharf]

technically correct

[dense ferry]

Astral is leftover star shit

[swift wharf]

with the way it turns stuff into astral stuff

[fossil finch]

So its the same but for stars because

Moment

[grim tusk]

A fraction of Primordial Light*

[small timber]

for the Old Duke suggestion
I mean what really is achieved here other than make Old Duke less tanky?

[grim tusk]

Yea Xeroc just Biden Blasts you lol

[civic sable]

lol

[small timber]

it doesn't give more incentive to abuse rest phase nor does it help with making rest phase more noticeable
it is just "Old Duke is less tanky now"

this change to me is just the equivalent of "Old Duke have less DR overall outside of rest phase"

[dense ferry]

If 10k damage is a fraction of Primordial Light I will shit my pants

[small timber]

if anything if you want the rest phase to be more important just increase the duration of each rest phase

[grim tusk]

EoL doesnt oneshot in Cal

[dense ferry]

Oh really?

[lavish condor]

I think the suggestion is to make the player able to control the rest phase in some way

[grim tusk]

And probably yea

[small timber]

@dense locust

[dense ferry]

Didn't know that

[lavish condor]

Like playing more risky to make it tire faster or something

[small timber]

(and also you maybe need to explain what more dynamic means)

[grim tusk]

Daylight EoL in Cal just becomes mini night Providence

[worldly basalt]

reactive to the player from what i can tell

[dense ferry]

Oh I see

[small timber]

to me it sounds like "as Old Duke perform the 10 attacks into rest his defense falls gradually rather at immediately to 0 at rest"

[fossil finch]

We mean
Like, being able to do something so a boss is more vulnerable or gets more damage as a consequence of their own actions is actually cool and awesome

[worldly basalt]

that wouldn't change the pacing at all

[dense locust]

dynamic in this case was just kinda meaning "able to influence how long it takes for them to tire"

[small timber]

which is why I think you probably should explain what "more dynamic" means yeah

[lavish condor]

mor has a miniboss that only becomes vulnerable if you get it to bounce its own projectiles into itself. Dynamic kinda like that

[fossil finch]

Like you could turn rest phase into something you have to activate by some relatively simple interaction that rewards you for paying attentio to a cue or timing

[small timber]

how do you plan to accomplish that?

ram it? make it dash longer?

[fossil finch]

This way you get rewarded by interacting with the boss beyond "dodge attack"

[small timber]

and it need to be communicate clearly too, as if because you did something OD rest at 8 attacks chances are it might actually cause the player to miss the rest phase

because they didn't expect it to come so soon

[fossil finch]

This is why, after x attacks is generally bad just make it entirely player activated and retool the balancing around the fact players may never

It's not that simple (as always)

But the general concept works

[lavish condor]

Giving an example for how exactly it could work, making it clear it's an example and not the suggestion could be good for the suggestion

[fossil finch]

Ye

[dense locust]

edited

[fossil finch]

That specific example is kinda ogscule and weird but it's the right line of thinking ye

[small timber]

^ , that just sounds confusing and add unnecessary variance to the fight

99% of player will not even notice there is a 10 attack then rest phase without wiki, now 99.99% of player will not know rest phase have variance based on degree of charges OD perform

[lavish condor]

It's like how apparently bosses deal less contact damage the slower they're moving. I had no idea that was a thing without wiki, and it's never explained ingame