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Using the weapon just feels really nice to me
Also that fight really reveals why dodges items really need a severe buff, since why would you nullify a single hit when you can nullify just about every contact damage without any cooldown
yet another edit
fuck
It's like your allergic to not mentioning it SOMEWHERE
omfg why do you give a shit
get rid of everything about guntrigger sheath istg
or what?
Or there's a pretty good chance your suggestion will be flagged and will not make it to the voting process
...or your suggestion will be flagged
Iirc theres a rule against suggesting reference items
that's literally it
good point
rough shitty colour code of which part of the suggestion feels off
done
(I am abit too late it seems)
yeah
(it's not actually a bad option on tier, it does have uses)
but that is a lot better
"it should have a unique gimmick to it" is yellow because I don't feel it is really necessary (depends), dragon rage and dragon pow is pretty much just strong with no gimmick and they are fine (for the most part, dragon rage have similar problem like murasama with range)
The best use I've seen is during scal fight where I've seen a lot of players use it to kill sepulcher
drage is slightly more effective for sephulcher
meanwhile something like minigun just works perfectly fine too despite being just an end game minishark
Like I said earlier, I personally like it
meanwhile gaspin is cooking
yeah zenith is actually just a boring sword with unique visual
Yeah he's been typing up his suggestion for years now
Can't wait to see what he sends
i hope it isnt about the sheathe, i dont want u guys to fucken crucify them
Imagine if he types all of this and he ends up going into too much detail and gets flagged
they will be told that their suggestion is not valid
for the same reason that we've been saying suggestions aren't valid for quite a while
what like his last one 
cruxification is inevitable
Just posted something really silly
and in the first line we have a suggestion don't
did you posted in the wrong channel?
at this point you can just

tell scrib to include the entire paragraph in his suggestion

instead of what you did (which will basically make it 2 separate suggestion with no context)
gaspin for your own safety. delete it
Jesus fucking Christ ok
If we ignore the suggestion above having the only reasoning of "a more accurate reference", the Murasama should be reworked in terms of viability in any endgame fight. The sCal brothers phase is made for long ranged weapons and the murasama/dragon rage requires the player to ram themselves INTO A PROJECTILE SOURCE to deal even the slightest bit of damage. Same goes for the exo twins, where the only opportunity for damage is apollo's dash, and it doesn't even last that long.
The exo mechs have been done before using true melee but im pretty sure that there's not a single person that enjoyed it. (by spawning EoW and making dragon rage shoot flare dust at the exo twins upon hit, being an insanely unreliable damage source for true melee players). There's more to the concept than just having a weapon more accurate to its source material.
The fact that it's an insanely conditional true melee weapon.
You can have it jere regardless
Here
i will add some of it
yeah if you want to just tell scrib to include this paragraph in the (their) suggestion
yeah
"although I can't deny the fact that adding a gun trigger sheath would be revolutionary" you had me there
All hail the gun trigger sheath, long may it reign

man truly this channel has been having some of the conversations of all time
what if we just turn murasama into a broadsword
it will no longer be a terragrim copy
.
taking melee but mage to a whole new level
Shoots really compressed sprites of jetstream sam that deal like idk a bjillion damage
a gun works too
just like a blade locked in the sheath that you can only use the "gun trigger sheath" because you never obtained the correct ID
It would still be melee damage type
yeah, like burning sky 
It's just a spell Tome that deals melee damage
I hate that weapon
The burning sky isn't melee
Its a staff that shoots shit out the sky
Long may it reign
Should i post the suggestion again without the sheath bit
I think scrib has it covered
tbh it will be unnecessary
just tell scrib to include what you want to say yeah
since both are basically the same topic trying to achieve the same purpose
2 suggestions right next to each other about the same weapon just seems redundant
yeah, just get scrib to include the important parts
Well my whole suggestion is examples of why it sucks dookie
We could fuse the two suggestions
done, made some tweaks
Yeah, that's what we're saying
That suggestions posting essay tho đđđ
scrib can you put some line breaks in your suggestion to make it a bit easier to read
please
Yeah it feels like a giant block of text. I want 1 inch indents at each paragraph, proper grammar and punctuation, and your sources cited correctly at the bottom. Please and thank you.
that better?\
I think I've sparked 3 (three) separate fights here within 24 hours
Go me
HEY
SCRIB YOU SLY BASTARD
I SEE THAT REFERENCE
Is it a reference to our Lord and savior the guntrigger sheath
"the devs deny the weapon its purpose"

I hope it gets taken into consideration
does old duke have a sound cue for when tired? i want to make a suggestion for that but i just wanna make sure there isnât one already
Hey scrib can you credit me in the sugg :3
Tired?
yes tired
You mean for the dash pauses?
tired is tired
Ask the devs to make him a bed so he has somewhere to sleep
he does have a different noise he makes iirc
iirc yeah changelog mentioned adding one
however it's way way easier and more consistent to count
Ill go on with school now, I'll return later to see what came of it
but I never actually heard it, or it is not obvious enough
@unreal saffron
it's very similar to another noise he makes
and only starts after the rest phase starts
gotchu bro
ok they removed the "no credit" part of Suggestion Don't since it is now under "Bad Suggestion Practice"
yeah that is the flaws of removing specificity in rules
ah right
nah the rule doesn't really say so anymore
previously there is a rule that say "don't credit people in the suggestion since it is irrelevant to the suggestion" which is removed
galaxia glitch
ok. so, have i finally made a good sugg?
now after all of these inb4 mods or devs just come here and say "no" to the suggestion 
yeah
eh he does have a sound
shade be like
i mean he says no to suggestions that will literally never happen
for the record
i think the issue is more with exo twins than with mursama
yeah, it's hard to hear tho
the gimick is that it deal 40% less damage to ares

way larger than anything else
still a bit miffed about the empyrean knives being melee and not rougue lol
it doesnât really need changing imo
and is still a top 5 melee ares killer
iirc it was 3rd best
it's gimmick is being a true melee weapon with a small amount of range
after dragon pow and cosmic discharge
is it faster than AotC? not surpised
especially after i cleared all reasons on y it should be let into voting, and he still said no. even rover agreed
because it is balanced around yharon
enforcer is too
a boss that is largely out of the screen unless you play really well which decrease its damage uptime a lot
and enforcer doesn't deal 3 billion dps and inflict glacial state
meanwhile obliterator never get buffed despite having the same quality but my guess is it is just forgotten
obliterator is so sad
âRework every melee weapon bc melee is coolâ
reworking every class but melee 
Actual based take
Melee has so many fun toys with recent reworks and lines getting upgraded
I think the changes to Exoblade and Terratomere is conceptually a good start for broadswords
maybe also nuke like 80% of them too

So true...
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[Give Luxorâs Gift an actual interaction with True Melee weapons.]
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[Rename Daedalus Armor]
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[Make it so that the Zenith requires a Cosmic Anvil to be crafted]
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[Improve how Murasama actually land hits on enemies.]
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@unreal saffron mfw a weapon so insanely powerful that its good even on the wrong class somehow "sucks" and needs a rework
I have no idea how you came up with this idea
we literally got NO good suggestions yesterday
I mean the only thing that makes it not really good and used all the time is that dragon rage is slightly better
The reasoning for why itâs bad is that it canât reach brothers and A&A
Itâs true melee
id say thats more of a boss issue and not a weapon issue
Seems like a fix for that would be to give them a bit more of a âdrunkâ ai that would let you get closer
YOU DIDN'T SAY THE DEVS ARE DENYING THE WEAPON ITS PURPOUSE
Murasama is kinda boring tbh but it's just a silly reference, don't ask too much, and even then it is really good when it can be good
Also the lack of proper capitalization makes me want to implode
all the suggestion's reasoning is negated by the last part
TRUE
true also
"true melee" and "reliable" in the same sentence as a reasoning is a stretch
truer
Too true
tldr I like my rework idea I think the dev should go through with this
It seems like it would be
Mura has a 40% damage reduction on ares because itâs so good on him
Lo
Sadly means itâs not actually best iirc, but itâs cracked
you deny your exampleSword of its i cant dame dame finish this joke
Why, though?
iirc the "original intention" of aureus spawning meteor is in case of the astral meteor not spawning after wof (eg: bugged, or have platform blocked the spawn) as a "failsafe"
because you can fight aureus by using steampunker astral solution to spawn the normal enemies for stardust, the spawn is mainly so that you can get astral ore/bar
this is evident from the fact that iirc aureus only spawn astral (if) there is not enough astral ore in the world or something
so probably can mention the fact that astral slime exist so having a "failsafe" for astral ore do not make sense when you can already get astral solution for the biome itself, or say something about moving aureus' meteor spawning mechanic to an unobtainable debug item so that the player still have possible way to get it, just not everytime aureus dies
if you still want to remove it
there is even a failsafe for astral beacon in terms of a craftable recipe
Oh yeah. That would explain alot, wouldn't it?
when the conditional subclass weapon doesnt work perfectly for every encounter under the sun (we will ignore the fact that it shreds anything when youre able to use it, which is most of the time
I swear the op of that suggestion only wrote that because they think a weapon has to do everything for it to be good
no the suggestion was 100% with original intention to make murasama the jetstream sam gun trigger version but is forcibly changed to just "rework without specification" after being crucified for like 30 minutes
imo the suggestion still have way too much of "this weapon is great with deep history and it should be made more unique and powerful" when nothing currently about the weapon reflect that (like the suggestion itself stated, it is just a "3rd terragrim", there is nothing unique about it nor deserving some form of special treatment, all the suggestion is based on is just it is a weapon from a reference that they really like)
but at least it is no longer way too specific so it is not violating any rule
it is by no means a bad weapon
its amazing
theres just better non true melee weapons
but not being the best of the best definitely doesnt mean its ass
especially if you learn complicated strats for it like using it to manipulate scal movement
no it is pretty shit
not particularly
you can achieve the same performance if not better without a specific and complicated strat, that already make it pretty shit
why, did it get nerfed or something last update?
no it is just the nature of true melee on exo and scal
not much can be fixed other than make them deal 5x more damage
didnt mura specifically have to be nerfed against ares because it shredded it so much
idk why you think its so bad when it was an essential weapon when I nohitted scal
for exo ares is ok but it also has 40% resistance, for thanatos I guess is fine? dragon rage do its job but better (I forgot if it is actually good on thanatos), on twins is obviously abyssmal
did you use it on anything other than heart?
becaus it is good for heart thats for sure, dragon rage does its job but better on non-melee build
for the rest you dont really have to use murasama, anything else with decent damage can easily substitute it
I used it in the beginning when the fight was too slow so I had to kill scal faster to maintain my pacing, because it did far more damage than all of my other weapons
it also made setting up scal in favorable places for the bullethells much easier
idk what you have in mind for murasama but I dont want to have to give it a broken reforge so it doesnt annihilate mnl
then that is not really something that specifically only murasama can do
I imagine something like spine of thanatos just does better, let alone like surge driver left click
the thing about mura is not "its damage is garbage", it is more that "scal and exo just sucks for true melee"
which is completely fine, unless you want to only leave one or two weapons for every class at every stage in the game
and the fact that to even start using them a specific and complicated strat is mandatory, when other weapons dont have such requirement and does the same job (most of the time better because of higher damage uptime)
its not mandatory at all
of course post exos weapons are better than a post yharon weapon
it just elevates it to one of the best weapons for scal
and also yeah lol
he forgor
im not still doing it i was asleep when the sugg was posted
well those 2 are just the one that come up of my head, but if you really want to go that direction I guess
these are post-Yharon weapon that are very easily better than Murasama despite not being true melee and basically have close to no strat requirement:
Final Dawn, tyranny's end, Yharim Crystal (dont even need chaos stone, I found a mana cost reduction build that works), dynamic purseur, wrathwing, dragon's breath, chicken cannon, seared pan, AOTC, minigun, dragon pow, void vortex, phoenix flame barrage
or even oracle if you dont count hearts
even for DoG tier there are something like god's paranoia, anomaly nanogun, rubico prime, pulse rifle, phangasm... etc that works
and a lot more DoG tier, and that is purely on scal, let alone exo which mura is really really bad against especially twins
like I said, it is not "murasama don't deal enough damage", it is that these two bosses are basically allergic to true melee (for the most part) that your damage uptime just sucks, and the fact that you have to "use a specific and complicated strategy" to maintain high damage uptime in itself is already a flaw compare to other weapons that don't need it while perform largely similar if not better
mura is good at what it does (which is deal damage in true melee, yeah), but the problem is how many times can you really deal damage with it
a lot of these have drawbacks that murasama doesnt, like not being able to attack through walls which is a huge drawback for scal
mura have the drawback of not being able to hit off screen, or not even when scal is at the edge of the screen
you can deal damage in charge and mobile phases, which come up often at the beginning and are what scal exclusively consists of towards the very end of her attack cycle
then theres the thing with hearts
and in non-nohit situation the wall restriction can be largely ignored because they don't capitalize on it
in non-nohit situations the only thing that matters to testing a weapon is dps then?
thats what im getting from that statement
what I said was "mura is pretty shitty/not very good" and you disagreed, of course I will have to talk about dps and functionality of the weapon
mura is definitely good
its just theres usually better options
but having better options doesnt mean that the weapon is shit
consistent DPS or burst DPS? because mura has an above average damage output that can only work sometimes, which makes it an ideal candidate for rippers, something I assume you will ignore in "non-nohit situations"
which is the problem, because murasama is a pure true melee weapon that can't hit off screen
which means that if there are a large number of weapon better than it while being able to hit off screen mura will just be bad comparatively
can any true melee weapons hit off screen
murasama is fine because it's like the only true melee option for it's tier that actually works in any capacity
if mura is a post-DoG weapon or even post-ML weapon with the same DPS (comparatively to bosses on tier) it will be amazing, because you can hit a large number of bosses/enemeis/even events at that tier consistently with true melee
the problem is you use it on yharon exo and scal, both are some of the more obnoxious true melee boss
and for most of the scal and exo fight the bosses usually arent off screen
yharon is absolutely amazing for true melee??
there are little bosses in the game that get so close to you so often as yharon
yharon do be loving his dashes fr
yharon isnt bad for true melee yeah
theres a good chunk of times where you can sit almost on top of him and just tank
and I didnt mention yharon is bad for true melee yes, in fact I mean the opposite
and scal is fine, the only problem is if you use only mura for the entire fight which is pretty much just you intentionally bringing out its weakness
wasnt enforcer or whatever the DoG true melee is cracked on him last update or something
then why say yharon is one of the more obnoxious tm bosses?
wait
wait fuck
im not sure how good enforcer is
I mistyped, meant to be exo and scal, I saw the wrong message
exos overall arent bad for true melee, its just twins that are bullshit
Yeah.
such an obnoxious tm boss fr..
dont exos and scal literally have AI changes so mura can hit them so you can actually true melee them lmao?
also iirc enforcer is also pretty shit now without adrenaline
yeah, you can use mura to manipulate scals movement too
they gutted it pretty hard
yeah i remember that
Idk what murasama does on exos though
never used it there because frankly yeah its just not that good
im pretty sure the twins just move a little closer
cause otherwise they're just out of reach
mura is good for ares, can hardly hit twins but thats just twins being twins, and drage is better for thana
i mean it's basically in a similar spot as zenith
ngl I dont have the balls to use tm on thana anyway
(which I also found to be a very good weapon for scal, contrary to what cmt will have you believe)
yeah lmao
like rn the entire reasoning for the sugg is "bad dps and also i cant use true melee"
only have an old one
but yeah it is not bad, not amazing but not bad
and thanatos/ares is slow because of piercing bug, otherwise it should be amazing
we WANT weapons to be "C tier" anyway that's called being balanced and the fact there are statistical outliners is the problem not the solution đ
^
which is why balanced options like zenith and mura feel "underwhelming"
woah its almost like using a weapon at its weakest point makes it bad and leads you to shitty results
zenith hasnt gotten touched since has it
like seriously this dude is just describing any true melee sword any where in progression and then says it's an implementation issue
nope
zenith is balanced
using tm on a phase of a boss where its especially hard to hit instead of switching to something else and using mura again when it works well
oop
yeah I was confused
point still stands they're both swingy weapons that have limits that are basically the end of your screen anyway 
but yeah I probably could use zenith on hearts, that one was done before sepulcher have its piercing resist removed so true melee heart was mandatory
now even like minigun (might) work if you line it up
you have to line yourself up to a precise spot and it still takes a couple of seconds of holding that spot for them to die
The protective matrix part of the sponge should be removed since the rover drive isn't part of the recipe anymore
As in it needs a respite
as long as it is not a single target weapon that dont deal enough damage ever (eg: phoenix flame barrage) to hearts usually if it take extra second it take extra second
There's no way that this doesn't count as good reasoning
it really doesnt
"weapons that have limits"
cmt: aint no way, ill use it for the entire boss anyway
lol lmao
I mean just removing the flashing blue shield
we could spend all day listing everything that needs resprites but i dont think that really means it needs one or that it counts as a suggestion
what flashing blue shield
the animated one
the sprite itself?
yeah the animated shield on sponge
yes
The sponge has a transparent animated shield reminiscent of the old protective matrix the rover drive gives you
extra second where youre either standing still or moving in a straight line to the hearts, both of which are rather dangerous
But the rover drive isn't a part of the sponge anymore
regardless devplans.jpg or something prolly
on non-nohit you can take damage
So it'd be simple as just making the item sprite not animated
most of the time as long as it is not absolute unusable (preferably) the weapon itself is used on heart
making a resprite sugg likely wont get it changed iirc
how is this supposed to be a viable argument?
if it take 10 sec to kill heart it is still considered largely viable
Na uh
"yeah this weapon sucks for this situation and youll get hit, just deal with it"
resprites are based on when the art server can actually get something in 
Its so far from viable
what I mean is "you dont have to immediately destroy heart with mura or dragon rage as soon as a weapon dont kill heart immediately"
Take into account you'd need more than a fucking minute to get past hearts
i think rover drive might be reintroduced to that line eventually?
if it take 10s for hearts it is still considered "fine" to me
With sepulcher and scal shooting shit at you
20s maybe yeah at that point just use mura/drage
If so then the sprite may be as is
Have you ever beaten scal
what
Like genuinely
Yes
well I havent played the game, I just installed calamity
may you teach me how to beat scal?
lol lmao
lol?
lao

everyone in chat could send you a video of them doing sep2 for a minute straight
its not that hard
as in, the proper way
sep isnt bad but its not great to do
Then how the fuck do you consider a weapon that takes 1:40 to get past phase 1 viable
considering the testing time is like 5 minutes its more than viable
that sounds like it would get under mnl, so whatever that is sounds very viable
I mean the hearts
phase 1 is 100-40
how is 10s = 1:40
Taking 10 or more seconds to destroy one heart is dookie
10s is 10 second
Dragon rage that bitch
dragon rage is a statistically anomaly and should not be counted
yeah drage is stupidly good
they misread it and thought that you meant 10 seconds for a single heart
which is lo
oh that will be obnoxious yes
Thanatos when he sees funny fire dragon stick hurling at him at the speed of a meteor
OOOOOH HE MEANT 10 SECONDS FOR ALL HEARTS
My bad
I apologize
Yeah 10s makes sense
20s for me is like, the longest you should be otherwise you better off just use drage
the factoid that all weapons take on average 3 seconds to kill all hearts is incorrect. Drage Georg, who kills all hearts in 1 millisecond was a statistical outlier and should not have been counted
depend on how good the weapon is for the rest of the fight (eg: tyranny's end, if it take 20s to kill hearts it is still fine, though it actually take shorter just you need pinpoint accuracy)
Dragon rage is criminally good
Imagine if aew was a segmented enemy
Would be a fucking shitshow
Also what weapons work well against aew
And how the fuck do you get aew to not lag
The last time i was in the new abyss i got 2fps from just kinda being there
eternity pre rework was super funny and now its just funny
roll a dice for which dev tier item you want and use that
staff of blushie is goofy iirc
The person making the vid just went down and attacked aew with a hexed contagion
rpc is really good too
Shit died in like 15 seconss
Rpc?
rainbow party cannon
What weapon would be viable against master death aew is my question
any dev tier item
.
rainbow party cannon when it looks at something too hard and The Devourer of Gods has been defeated! Fight Time: 0:03
the devourer of god seems a lot more intimidating than the devourer of gods
ok yeah for zenith the piercing bug is pretty shitty
on heart it drag on way too much, the fact that you pierce like 1 heart and the 2nd one hit straight up is like half damage is just obnoxious
5:20 (no drage heart this time) and just died to heart 2 because its damage is stupidly low for it (and sep while not delete projectile still provide target to pierce which nullified zenith damage), and heart 2 lasted like 30-40 seconds when I died
ngl that bug do not be letting me pierce fr
Is Umbraphile armor viable for Astrum Deus and Moon Lord? I haven't gotten to that part of the game yet (mainly since I'm waiting for the 1.4.4 port), though I want to make sure it is before posting it in #suggestions-posting.
his ass is NOT piercing
ok now I can at the very least say "at least I tried"
brothers is straight up near unusable, when moons start to spawn it also get pretty risky, even the hellblast/mobile phase while you can deal decent damage you have way safer option
the fact that to hit is entirely dependent on charge/mobile phase or a hard swing left/right movement it makes dodging way less consistent (especially brothers), good for heart which is obvious but that is the end of it
(for reference 5:00 is considered standard, so this is a bit faster than the bare minimum time but way riskier especially brothers)
for exo I will not bother since obviously it is ok/good ares, ok/good thanatos while abyssmal for twins which skew the time a lot
so it's fine?
not really
my philosophy is that true melee weapon need to be around A tier in performance, or High B at least
this is C tier at best
hm
I mean A in terms of purely killtime, eg: in this case it need to be sub 4 min
i mean is this anything that couldnt be solved with damage numbers?
obviously strat matter but if a very specific strat need to be used obviously it need to be considered too, in this case my strat is not really refined but not garbage either:
swing to hit hellblast as much as I can, basically full uptime during charge and mobile (all except 1 where it fly off screen)
no it is just funcitonally troublesome especially brothers
to get this time I basically attacked 2 brothers at the same time (because of swing left/right motion they will get near me 1 at a time) otherwise my brother phase time will be cut in half
the problem with this is that both get low at the sametime and spam like mad, and you have no safe way to kill the last bit of HP; best you can do is adrenaline (which is lol)
I will get aotc for comparison
nah it will be hard
because the more drunk they are the more impossible it is for you to actually dodge their attack
could be drunken in other ways such as changing their attacks a bit
in my fight the left brother actually swinged to my right side which completely screwed any form of proper dodging (especially if they fired darts during the swing)
Or they could even just hover closer when holding true melee and that'd help a lot
either way, changing brothers is the only way a true melee weapon is ever gonna be fine on scal
that will be "ideal" yeah
#suggestions-posting message
First sentence already is bad sugg practice
Its not supposed to be pre-boss, Sam is just an easter egg and therefore unbalanced
Its a true melee weapon so it is supposed to be a risky choice, if you feel it needs buff go to #1042197406776827914
It is not supposed to lead to endgame and by that point its outclassed, most of the reasoning is literal complaining that its bad and not actual reasoning
We also just literally got a sugg about changing murasama as well
@unreal saffron
at least in terms of making the weapons functional

I thought the previous murasama suggestion was just tooltip and another one that is not intended to change the dps of the weapon but yeah
Reasoning was the main reason its flagged:
Based on Balancing and what you just said in the message you just sent
But it also has other lesser issues
yeah most of the reasoning is "murasama is not cool" (rather than focus on the balance part, which ironically will be #1042197406776827914 instead so also not viable)
by the âpre-bossâ thing i think they meant that you could obtain it in preboss
i think they were trying to convey it was underwhelming
âyou wait all this time and its this
Yes and then they argue visuals (of which we literally we just got a sugg for), balancing and then just proceed to rant
Its invalid for several reasons
yeah
also the visuals are kinda some of the best in the mod for it ngl
good pixel art >> shader trails
So, before I end up making the suggestion to remove Uelibloom, I made a quick file showing the comparison between Uelibloom crafts and Divine Geode crafts.
Let me see if I can figure out how to make it a txt file
Alright, here we are
"let me figure out how to make a txt file"
please
please dont tell me u rlly didnt know how to open up notepad
I had saved it in Wordpad, I was figuring out how to convert it
who tf uses wordpad
Me
Word is too clunky for quick stuff like this
No need to judge me on my choice of writing software
true there is no need
but i shall anyway
also if murasama is too clunky to use on bosses why change murasama and not the bosses
Why would we change several bosses to account for one weapon?
well its more like
exo twins and brothers
everything else is perfectly usable on murasama
They already get closer to the player when the player is holding a true melee weapon, don't they?
uhm
brothers do
not sure on twins
the point still stands that its only these 2 use cases
the rest of exos and scal is perfectly fine
heck people prefer mura over drage on scal hearts because of its range
yes
(im all in for the killing of useless crafting items)
Hmmm. A problem with this is that Uelibloom Ore makes a brick.
We'd either need to resprite, rename, or remove that entire furniture set if Uelibloom replaces Divine Geodes
Or I suppose just not touch it, but it'd be weird for a Jungle related furniture set to be crafted with a material from the Hallow
how jungle does uelibloom furniture look lemme check
The whole set is labeled "Botanic"
theres a lot of jungle materials added on the vanilla materials and sometimes it feels like a bit hard to keep tabs on
oh thanks
mmm yes this is very green
lets not mention the weapons that are related to uelibloom exclusively
(which inlcudes the armour and weapons)
As long as one of those gets removed, I'll be fine with it
Yeah, no. Not a good idea.
If my suggestion regarding moving an entire ore to a different biome wasn't considered high effort, then I don't think removing an ore is going to be considered high effort either
Of course, I'd need a dev's opinion on this before falsely assuming it
the high effort part is going to be the theme change of either uelibloom or divine geodes (depending on which gets removed)
Removing the Uelibloom would cause a lot of stuff to suddenly need a retheme, but removing Divine Geodes makes the player have to mine a whole lot of stuff
oh blast
Neither of them seem particularly bad, but not good either
or simple
(my opinion does not convey the team)
damn id delete uelibloom too....,.,.
its a bit of an old relic and doesnt fit providence
But I remember seeing it
the solution is to clearly just hire yourself as a sprite artist, give them sprites for free and leave
Devotee Armour
ill be real it doesnt have much to keep it alive currently other than the fact we have other things ti focus on before we talk about uelibloom
I'd call it Profaned Armor.
i alr give it a sick af name so both of u shut up
ofc it will be
I guess I'll just make the suggestion, and if another dev mentions that it'd be too high effort then I'll drop it
its def gonna be high effort
i mean, it'll be a whole lot of spriting to be done
oh yeah definitely
suggestions when it dominoes uncontrollably
but i feel like most of them want it to happen despite it
but just know we already have people thinking about that
that or uelibloom falls and the entire set falls
so i mean technjcally you dont need the sugg anyway
you just get to use lunar sets until bloodflare
good
we r saying to replace uelibloom/divine geode with the other
so its less deletion, its more about respriting and retheming the current existing items
or like anything tarragon themed
Ok, good to know it's being thought about already, in any case
i think i already pointed out you could just use existing jungle materials + divine geodes to fill in the gap where this filler ore was, while still maintaining progression
you'd have to resprite almost all of this stuff if you wanna replace uelibloom with divine geodes
not true
or we
What even is the theming of eulibloom what is it why is it there
also tbh divine geodes is a wormhole in itself
kill verdant and lifehunt scythe and nettlevine and
Plants but ok???
providence is a tree probably or something đ
AND BIOFUSSILADE???
YES
but one is just unholy essence and the other is geode
True
Just delete the pure Uelibloom weapons?
I like that idea
tbf geodes and unholy DO be overlapping fr
tree god? is that a hollow knight reference?
all profaned items really do be looking the same
just make the items craftable at the botanic planter
ez

proceeds to make solar tablet craftable in botanic planter
there are even more ways to kill ueli than there are to kill perrenial
oops
that is so true
give someone without context 5 profaned items and let them guess which one is out of tier
i have an idra regarding perennial already
god true
but idk how many will agree with it well see!
it better be the desert thing
lmao
is it perennial cactus
i bet like over half will fail this
lmao no what the hell is perennial cactus
it is amazing how fast cacti caught on
Oh definitely
damn
check #suggestions-voting 
i can be trusted blastoise
cant bother too late
It's regarding this
#suggestions-voting message
i mean its an
interesting solution
something we came up while discussing the desert perennial thing
but its not what i was thinking so lolmak
tell us
If it at least serves as an intermediary solution until a better one is found, I'll be happy
what it doesnt fix is the fact theres living shards sitting right there still
so true
remove them
if only the gearsets combined,.,.,

Why are they still there
living shards are based

i hate the terra items
wait living shards are used to craft perennial armor...???
just seperate them from terra items
every mod tries to make a terry everything
since 2.0.2.1
Throw them into the Uelibloom recipes
Thatâs kinda their only identity tho
i so agree oomfer
Two problems solved
okay speaking of terra items terra lance should be true melee
give them a new one
Kill all terra
i feel like doing that would make it actually distinct from terra blade
Remove terra blade 
they're called terra items bc they're terra-ble
i mean reaver armor litterally uses perennial and living shards iirc they are begging to be combined
true
The joke is over
how many devs would agree to kill terra?
I killed it with the spelling error.,......
I look away from Discord for a moment
I look back
I see "Several people are typing"
I am concerned
because i hate terra with a passion
iunno
WE HATE TERRA
you could just kill living shards AND some of terra some of perennial gear
but i dislike the terrs theming too they deserve to be their own thing snd terra desevres to be its own thing
night and terra should stop being a tier
how many terra items besides terra blade are even good
like atleast mods couldve thought of a more subtle way to make terra items but nope just put terra [whatever the item is] and call it a day
vanilla never did this to us mods just decided it should be a thing
id argue terra is holding back what could be a lot of cool items
None
Maybe one or two
Terra lance is somehow more basic than the FUCKING Terra Edge that got removed
Should I make a suggestion to rework Uelibloom to make it Providence-themed or is this a bad idea?
i mean, sure?
if u give me the entire list of terra items i can point out which ones are the good ones
or
"good" ones
like the night and terra bows may be ass but they're so divergent from the night/terra identity they could almost just split right now
so TRUE!!
!wiki Living Shard
anyway thats it blast ramble ovee
Look there
guh reading
also yea the bows are the least terra of all the terras
and so is plantation
terra ray can just be rethemed entirely
like something with sunlight
Terra Ray is so lame compared to the dungeon weapons
terra ray but it's more of an upgrade to valkyrie than w/e the fuck it is rn
terra lance can just be removed
SO TRUE
flameburster is literally useless since elf melter ALREADY EXISTED
Nooooo my spears :(
what if we
made unique items
instead of being slaves of some silly green sword "theme"
calamity when green
also rename terra bullet and arrow to something more unique
I don't wanna make terra lance removed
i wanna make it true melee honestly
Wdym we need a terra version thatâs a combo of one (1) weapon
su-
SHTUP
Kill
đ§Ż
It literally is
It's so-so
đŽ
As someone who has recently played a rogue playthrough
thats wat i was thinking too
this test was done with tattered fairy (which is no longer allowed for testing but watever)
funny funny funny funny
that is so true
hey wanna hear something funny
Sus?
mangrove was literally only in it bc it was green
pretty much same sprite too but one looks good and thhe other doesnt
"They're the same picture"
this is the actual reasoning
they needed to put something green in terra disk
That's not how this works
this was pre-Living Shards
also terra disk doesnt even have a night equilavent
it's so fucking funny
The terra weapons are extremely serious things that donât have stupid crafting recipes at all
yes 
i like how flameburster is powered with the essence of the sun but still needs gel to shoot something out
Terra Lance and Plantation Staff are the only two Terra weapons I see redemption in
Fuck terra lance
LANCE???
TF U MEAN
Melee bias strikes again
it is literally terra blade but has inf pierce

meowthrower upgrade where it turns into a bigger cat themed flamethrower instead of terra flameburster
like lions or smthn
heres my changes for terra items imo
I legit want to make a cardboard spear once I get a long enough tube of cardboard
Literally
Consider: opinions exist
cosmic bolter - NO GREEN PLEASE
plantation staff - honestly fine just remove eye of night
terra ammo - rename
terra disk - no hope
terra flameburster - no
terra lance - no
terra ray - make it sunlight theme or smthn idk (and remove night)
Terra gun when 
the night weapons ruined everything (like only 2 of them actually have night)
Terra Lance - Turn it into a True Melee counterpart to Terra Blade
(I also think spears cool)
Anyways uh yeah plantation staff kinda just. exists because the Pygmy staff doesnât exist
As long as it's not removed I will be happy
(actually spears are objectively better weapons than swords)
if terra edge can't become a tmelee terra blade, i doubt lance is gonna do it
WDYM RETHEME TERRA DISK
plantation just needs to be more plantera themed
The Mangrove Chakram is a craftable Hardmode Rogue boomerang. It inflicts Acid Venom and can be thrown multiple times, with Chakrams returning to the owner after a set distance or hitting an enemy or solid block. Chakrams still in flight will disappear if they don't return to the player after a short while.
Why the fuck do we need terra ammo
changed
we dont. i just like the existing ammo effect
people mentioning the rover copypasta and the dom copypasta
but the real top tier copypasta here is phup's
rework Eye of Night and Flesh Infidelity into a one time summon honestly
GRAHHHHJHHH
It really is
Because clearly we need ammo at every stage of progression or else rangers won't be able to play the game 
must fix all at once grah
What is Phup's Copypasta?
that
"the waifu joke is overused something something something"
someone can get the image it's there somewhere
đ´
i thought you knew us bashing our heads against a wall is all this channel is
do yall know of the chaos elemental suggestion
^
got it
it's here
And then said brick may or may not take too long to be given or it might fall off

oh yea did i mention how i found a way to make desert tiger good
Wdym i thought it was battleship to see what dev plans exist
soooooo true
Byeah what Phup said lmao
What people do the most is talk about the 200 problems Calamity has and act like the Devs don't know
TRUE
if they know why are there so many isuesç;..;.ç;
this is god tier
đ
fab doesnât

@austere cargo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Hide Giant Clam's health bar when not aggressive]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
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SHUT UPOPBOT
huh
OH FUCK NO
I was about to make a dumb joke but then I realized that was taking way too long to type
Also that suggestion was from November of 2022, I just want to point out
The suggestion backlog is real
this was prob harder to implement
it is and that is a good thing bc that means there are plenty of new ideas that could be added from them
Thatâs not even sugg backlog

CGI cow saying perhaps image
oh
Literally!!!
who even found that one to mark it lmfao 
Altix probably
prolly
oh shit my sugg got into voting i just realised
He marks the most random stuff
I'd forgotten I'd even made that suggestion
lmfao
someones cooking
I always forget gifs are somehow allowed here
@round ravine
...we could just kill it or replace it with profaned geodes spawning there at that point tho đ
lol lmao
Yeah, I should've seen that coming.
What was it?
Tro
moving it to the hallow
Rework ueliobloom
I love not reading suggestions
uelibloom has a rework planned at some point iirc

If anybody needs me, I'll be screaming into my pillow.
?
This mod has a rework planned for itself

Didn't you tell me earlier that the idea would be too high effort?
I'm going to fucking explode. 
???
I'm just telling you what you told me earlier, no need to overreact
I was joking about that last part.
When you evade Amidias
but amidias
of course
is better
@river path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Buff the power of Necro Armor by giving it a unique set bonus]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
Death evasion bettet
what the fuck is going on in this chat
O
HUH
holy shit real
Things

Oh epic
Chaos. 
Mmmmm necro armor
this is wat happens when no suggestions are being made
it becomes cmt 2 without the brain rot
again i love the use of suggs from a year ago
im 90% sure there's a more recent necro sugg but whatever this is based đ
Someone is going through the suggestions in voting and just being like "Hmmm yes this will do nicely in the mod"
thanks discord for telling me amidias is mid
ok since this got in lets do fossil armour

So true

The tiktok kids in that channel don't even know about this channel likely
fossil armor will get its buffs when ninja does (never)
Make fossil armor rogue, since we alr got a ranged desert armor that's infinitely better
and ESPECIALLY ninja
vanilla balance changes
We aren't supposed to do that, I think
solution; rogue AND ranged damage 
So is my suggestion just not being implemented?
'unno
forbidden rogue still doesnt work lo
It was the rotate then gem thing
i have no idea
Itâll be implemented in a year when someone remembers to do it
lol
It might be in the top 20%, I have no idea
It has 134 đ
@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make Space Ore Planetoid Generate Non-Duplicated Ore (until there are at least one of each)]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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holy shit
Epic
real
Winning
@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Buff Frost Armor To Be On-Par With Other Post-Tier 3 Hardmode Ore Armors]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
HUH
REAL
Yo
OHSHIT
who is the doing this

ITS GETTING EVEN BETTER
Xpcqe going crazy
A dev is just trolling at this point
Probably altix if I had to guess
what'd i miss
idk how xpc gets the ideas for his suggs
what sugg so bad it got deleted
triple implementation
and theres no guarantee its stopping
triple as in?
he deserves it after going on a rampage with these suggestions
3
act like a breaking news reporter
(Three
three suggestions GOT IMPLEMENTED
I had assumed that it would be the top suggestion because of the Icicle Arrow suggestion from a while back
3 decently old suggestions just got implemented
oh

Trol
what about sugg posting?
vote for my sugg (its good)
lmao
Ah yes, literally a simple correction of a sprite somehow gets the single largest pool of votes
@narrow mantle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make Altar of the accursed 5 blocks in width rather than 4 blocks (And, by defualt, make the sprite reflect that please)]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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oh man that's an oldie
Iâm gonna cry
Oh damn
they prolly saw the perrenial suggs and thought of the ibcredible idea to move uleibloon
It's the highest starred suggestion of all time here, I think
Last year
MY SCAL ARENAS ARE GONNA BE RUINED
eveb though it isnt biome eclusive
All are
What happens to existing ones, I wonder
pinktile'd
it cant be that big of a deal right????
REAL
tf sonic
:cluebed:
wat kind of game is this
Canât believe widen the altar got in over shorten it to 3
they killing off sonic
Brain cells are lost every time another old suggestion gets implemented
murder mystery
visual novel i assume
so sorry

so anyways lets talk about sonic
time to end off today without a brain



