End of boss rush just doesn't make sense. It's time consuming for no real reason other than "it would be cool"
#suggestions-discussion
desert briar
idle bone
I'd I said “I think it's a good idea”
lyric path
If Xeroc can actually summon every boss in succession, I think there will be a large gap between boss rush and xeroc
idle bone
Maybe the rock you get will help summon him but in the end all I said was it was technically accepted so don't dis my idea :p
olive zenith
I cant wrap my head around what's so special about just... another... boss?
desert briar
Wdym
olive zenith
So much talk about something that is not coming any time soon
idle bone
I agree george
desert briar
Xeroc is canonically the strongest entity in calamity lore, that's what special
blazing kettle
noodle announcemnt, i am done with my noodles and i will soon tell you how good it is
drowsy plank
nooble
desert briar
Why do you have the spoon in backwards
The handle is getting noodle water all over it
blazing kettle
It's the handle...
yes i know it looks weird
olive zenith
Xeroc is canonically the strongest entity in calamity lore, that's what special
What about Yharim? I heard nothing about some noname Xeroc but it was Yharim who was hyped throughout the entire Calamity.
idle bone
What kinda spoon is flat lol
blazing kettle
but its a fork
cosmic karma
What about Yharim? I heard nothing about some noname Xeroc but it was Yharim who...
yharim is also planned
drowsy plank
What about Yharim? I heard nothing about some noname Xeroc but it was Yharim who...
bruh did you even read the lore
desert briar
What about Yharim? I heard nothing about some noname Xeroc but it was Yharim who...
Yharim compared to Xeroc is like a Chihuahua compared to a trex.
olive zenith
yharim is also planned
and this I know, and this is good, and the talk about this I understand
blazing kettle
What about Yharim? I heard nothing about some noname Xeroc but it was Yharim who...
xeroc is like, an actual god in the calamity lore as much as you can be in calamity
same with noxus
idle bone
i didnt and apparently my idea is the strongest boss or something lol
fervent orbit
xeroc is like, an actual god in the calamity lore ~~as much as you can be in cal...
tbf many things are gods in calamity lore
it just depends on wat dragon they absorbed
idle bone
I feel like the player in the calamity lore is saitama from opm
desert briar
But xeroc is like... ACTUALLY a god. Not one of these posers
idle bone
Just a normal guy turned god
cosmic karma
But xeroc is like... ACTUALLY a god. Not one of these posers
no
blazing kettle
whats a god but a useless pile of auric dragon souls
fervent orbit
and considering xeroc absorbed the strongest dragon
cosmic karma
xeroc is just a guy who consumed really powerful soul
fervent orbit
yea he a bit stronger
glass arch
What about Yharim? I heard nothing about some noname Xeroc but it was Yharim who...
xeroc is directly talked about in requiem and prelude
and they are also the strongest God (and being in terraria) by a LARGE margin
drowsy plank
the funniest part about xeroc is he's all ooga booga scary but yharon might've wound up stronger than him because of training with yharim for so long
desert briar
whats a god but a useless pile of auric dragon souls
Well there's a difference between absorbing the strong dragon and absorbing the weakest dragon + some slimes like slime god
idle bone
Is there like a calamity manga what're y'all talking about?
fervent orbit
also lmao "xeroc is the strongest entity in calamity lore" may not even be true anymore
idle bone
Lol
blazing kettle
Well there's a difference between absorbing the strong dragon and absorbing the ...
slime god is a title
as it eventually becoems queen slime
wide river
Is there like a calamity manga what're y'all talking about?
We're referring to lore
Go check the pins in #lore-discussion if you want to know more
glass arch
the funniest part about xeroc is he's all ooga booga scary but yharon might've w...
nah yharon coulda been stronger than zeratros but definitely not xeroc
drowsy plank
that's what i meant but also
that's basically the same guy
lmao
xeroc got his power from zeratros
idle bone
When I beat his ass on master infernum ill be the strongest entity teehee
glass arch
and xeroc is also criminally stronger than zeratros
drowsy plank
really?
olive zenith
Is there like a calamity manga what're y'all talking about?
same here, I perceive this as mass hysteria
desert briar
Is there like a calamity manga what're y'all talking about?
Lore is referenced in the lore items dropped by bosses and also in certain items tooltips and draedons logs
glass arch
and xeroc has had quite a while to power up
drowsy plank
huh
wide river
same here, I perceive this as mass hysteria
Suggestion, refer to this message
#suggestions-discussion message
drowsy plank
fair yeah
blazing kettle
same here, I perceive this as mass hysteria
its called boss lore items
desert briar
It's not some separate area or some book, it's all in the game
You just didnt look for it
glass arch
It's not some separate area or some book, it's all in the game
i mean it can be a book
desert briar
It could be
idle bone
That'd be awesome fr
drowsy plank
bestiary... 2!
desert briar
But it would be a pretty short book in its current state
glass arch
with cei having like 20 lore documents
fervent orbit
It's not some separate area or some book, it's all in the game
ahem 8th terraria aniversary ahem
drowsy plank
that's not canon to cal 
wide river
*ahem* 8th terraria aniversary *ahem*
The massively non-canon lore
glass arch
bestiary... 2!
why would we do that when we can (and will!) just rewrite the bestiary
more specifically cei will
fervent orbit
terraria lore is just: oh u wanted actual lore? uhm ok here u go dont ask how well this actually fits in with the game it just does
idle bone
True true
olive zenith
its called boss lore items
yeah I know about that, but wasnt quite into that, cmon this is Terraria we are talking about, what lore
desert briar
Terraria lore is drunken rants from Red
drowsy plank
why would we do that when we can (and will!) just rewrite the bestiary
i was just making a joke about if lore items turned into a book, it'd feel like that, but yeah
idle bone
This is so off topic lol
fervent orbit
someones gonna make an irl bestiary like some sort of journal
idle bone
Kyle: most commonly found in urban biome
desert briar
We somehow got here from "make boss rush announcer a boss"
olive zenith
nice
blazing kettle
yeah I know about that, but wasnt quite into that, cmon this is Terraria we are ...
this is calamity, not terraria
idle bone
Get Cei here to approve
desert briar
Calamity has very deep lore
blazing kettle
not very deep
desert briar
It's deep for a mod of a 2d block game
blazing kettle
but yeah a good amount
desert briar
Deeper than regular terraria lore
blazing kettle
none of it too hard to find
desert briar
Honestly if we base it off how hard it is to find regular terraria would be harder because you never know when it's going to be randomly changed
glass arch
Deeper than regular terraria lore
tbf thats not a high bar
olive zenith
tbf thats not a high bar
Terraria lore is into Cthulhu, that's deeper than some dragons
swift wharf
fire writing gif
olive zenith
All hail the Old Gods!
idle bone
it is pretty well thought out it has good execution it just needs time
dense ferry
Btw Blinky if you want to know more about the Lore you can check the Document pinned on #lore-discussion
It has every major Lore implication ingame currently
idle bone
amazing 💯 ⭐
olive zenith
Im curious what makes them taste that good
idle bone
i mean i just found out theres like a being called the rock who ate someone and got strong so i think im just an idiot who doesnt understand it lol im too far gone but i love it
cosmic karma
Terraria lore is into Cthulhu, that's deeper than some dragons
does terraria lore have gods killing everyone
or consuming souls
idle bone
ye
cosmic karma
i mean i just found out theres like a being called the rock who ate someone and ...
this is technically right
swift wharf
vanilla lore is whatever you want it to be
blazing kettle
Im curious what makes them taste that good
the good shit
golden sonnet
Pollo 👍
idle bone
i was meant to play death mode ranger i came here to get some friends and ended up talking to a dev getting a technical yes on my idea ive had for ages and also found out the secrets to noodle
halcyon zealot
i was meant to play death mode ranger i came here to get some friends and ended ...
noodle 
blazing kettle
talking to devs is actually really common, and all of them are really cool and chill from my experience
cosmic karma
i was meant to play death mode ranger i came here to get some friends and ended ...
the calcord experience
idle bone
talking to devs is actually really common, and all of them are really cool and c...
im aware and agree
i got a response for a dev mod but didn't pursue it as i was already deep in this chat
wide river
thought it got flagged
I wish it did, considering multiple times it was mentioned that the sole reason of it was "I don't like the sprite please fix"
idle bone
its a dumb idea its just a sprite yeah
they only bringing the waifus into it cuz they need get bonk and go to H jail
blazing kettle
oh yeah cant we just ping dev or rover to flag the sugg now?
idle bone
go for it idk much cuz i new
drowsy plank
how did "make the elementals not waifus" get into voting 
random pasture
Yep
wide river
I'm pretty sure that moderators refrain from smiting suggestions once they reach voting
blazing kettle
okay but this one was supposed to be flagged but it wasnt
fervent orbit
bro it wasn flagged???
fervent orbit
nice bible rover
crude geode
Did someone actually ping anyone in authority?
drowsy plank
no but rover is big typing so
crude geode
Cuz if not I blame us lmao
hollow shell
I spose it would have been better to be narrowed down, especially to the ones that are most likely to actually change
Like, Sand Elemental can't be changed cuz it's vanilla, though the accessory versions theoretically could (though it'd still be strange),
Cloud Elemental is probably the best bet for changing, although part of the reason why it's female is for the valkyrie aesthetic,
Anahita prolly won't change cuz of the siren theming as the sugg states, on top of being very significant,
and Brimstone Elemental is way too significant and integrated into the lore to be made not female, although she can be made significantly less "sexy", potentially more monstrous, which was a plan before The Troubles
@lyric path if you wanna redo your waifu suggestion you can
But I will delete it from voting yeah
for posterity:
Make the elementals not be 'waifus'
For quite a while, the elementals have been shown as 'waifus' without proper reason, spare Anihita due to origins in greek sirens. The earth elemental shows that elementals can canonically not fall into the 'waifu' category, so what mature reason is there for all the rest to embody it?
north oracle
drowsy plank
you'd need a damn good reason which is what this one lacked lol
i really can't think of any good reason to change them tbh
valkyries, dryads, nymphs, and many other elementals are typically depicted as being female, and i feel like he also completely overlooked the fact that earth is... man made. which is why he's a dude. bc he's not a real elemental.
ripe owl
you'd need a damn good reason which is what this one lacked lol
i really can't t...
A man made man, even 
wide river
A man made man, even <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
A man made a manmade man
blazing kettle
maybe change the sugg to something like "make the following elementals represent their element or inspiration better"
hollow shell
A more rigorous definition of what is a "waifu" would also be welcome
Is it just, them being female? Or is it because they are sexualized?
Like uhh is it fine if they still remain female but just get more modest designs, less booba and exposed skin?
fervent orbit
I spose it would have been better to be narrowed down, especially to the ones th...
no mention of rare sand
ripe owl
A man made a manmade man
So true!
fervent orbit
drowsy plank
what would that even get you? vanilla sandy still has tits, anahita already looks more like an alien than a woman, like the only one that really is in any way a problem is brimmy. who is... already going to be changed anyway
blazing kettle
rare sand could go with being more sassy
ripe owl
what would that even get you? vanilla sandy still has tits, anahita already look...
Which has been said like a thousand times for past 24 hours
drowsy plank
shhhhh let me have this
hollow shell
I wouldn't even say Anahita is that sexualized anymore
Rare Sand not either
Regular Sand from Calamity, yeah sure
Cloud, arguably sure, especially the lack of clothing on her lower body
and Brimmy is uhh yeah absolutely she is kind of a travesty
fervent orbit
rare sand should be a tsundere
wide river
rare sand could go with being more sassy
Nooo I like rare sand
I like her sprite the most
hollow shell
Rare Sand is my current favorite yeah
idle bone
same
drowsy plank
the solution is to make cloudy even more of a Valkyrian; im sure this will have no unintended side effects
idle bone
lmao
blazing kettle
maybe change the sugg to something like "make the following elementals represent...
thats what i said
.. .
fervent orbit
surely
blazing kettle
AA wont be going to 1.4 anyways 
drowsy plank
im making a joke about it making her more attractive bc she'd be buff, if i need to spell it out
your point sounded more like making her more of a literal cloud or smth i think. more formless storm spirit than woman would be "more representative of her element" if we actually cared to do that
fervent orbit
why is no one talking about the best elemental
drowsy plank
cosmic
wide river
Cosmic cone best vanity
drowsy plank
nah ur forgetting ice elemental from vanilla
idle bone
guys we forgetting the hottest waifu...
fervent orbit
chaos elemental
blazing kettle
im making a joke about it making her more attractive bc she'd be buff, if i need...
if only you read the secobd hakf of what i said...
idle bone
great sand shark 😭
drowsy plank
i throw gss into the abyss and all the reaper sharks bully him for not having arms
fervent orbit
nah ur forgetting ice elemental from vanilla
huh
wide river
Here's all the elementals
Chaos, Ice, Brimstone, Water, Cloud, Sand, Rare Sand, Granite, Cosmic
I've probably forgot one
blazing kettle
granit and cosmic are the obky armless ones
fervent orbit
oh yea
drowsy plank
Here's all the elementals
Chaos, Ice, Brimstone, Water, Cloud, Sand, Rare Sand, ...
forgetting the best elemental..,.,. SPECTRAL ELEMENTAL FROM THE 3DS PORT LETS GO BABIEEEEEE WOOOOOOOOO
wide river
I miss him
ripe owl
blazing kettle
cupid pet...
drowsy plank
if i could remove him from the wiki as well i would. why was so much of the 3DS content sooooo fuckin bad
blazing kettle
because 3ds was pirted by different peioke iirc
wide river
Maybe we should make an old gen version of the wiki
drowsy plank
i know, but why did they even make console exclusive content on god
wide river
Maybe we should make an old gen version of the wiki
Like, make a separate branch so we can remove the pages from the main wiki
fervent orbit
i know, but why did they even make console exclusive content on god
yes
drowsy plank
actually wait. lepus and turkor were okay, it's mostly all the OTHER old gen content that sucked lmfao
idle bone
what about ocram
ripe owl
What about the Holy Bomb?
ripe owl
what about ocram
Literally Eternity Eye of Cthulhu but much worse
drowsy plank
ocor bad
wide river
I miss my Dragon Armor vanity :(
drowsy plank
you should try consolaria out sometime
ripe owl
I never fought it
So true
wide river
Got it in the first couple of days of playing, sold it a while later, 1.4 deleted it
drowsy plank
dragon armor when it used to just be recolored jungle 💀
wide river
First they ported 1.3 to mobile and consoles
Observe
Notice the top line
I get that it says verify
cosmic karma
[verify]
wide river
But it's very hard to verify that when most versions of the game are now being sold with 1.4 packed in
half imp
true
wide river
I have a version that was 1.3 to start, but I'd have to delete my saves to find out if this was true
I don't want to take that risk to find out if 3 vanity sets were removed without compensation
wide river
I miss some old content
Particularly stuff like the old vanities and Turkor
serene tendon
@woven nexus I've fought him a lot recently, and that has never happened to me
bright crag
Horned God set my beloved
idle bone
it was the best vanity and imo still is
ik but its not super worth always havin
anyway im talkin vanilla
nah it hink he good where he is
drowsy plank
Lepus & Turkor >>>>>> Ocram
glass arch
the issue with readding ocram to vanilla is it wasnt made by relogic
cosmic karma
doesnt consolaria like remake the bosses
wide river
It doesn't beat fighting the originals
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell
buoyant siren
Scam
wide river
This is the fourth one now
How are they doing this
buoyant siren
Persistence
north oracle
what was that sug?
wide river
I think two of those were today as well
I've never seen this many bots, even before the situation where verification became required to chat
serene tendon
doesnt consolaria like remake the bosses
Makes them better, yeah. Same with weapons
small timber
Pretty sure for the yharon one the "contact damage" is just because yharon fired fire balls immediately?
golden sonnet
I could probably throw the jungle materials in now
wide river
I hope it passes this time, these materials really don't have any use at the moment
Because sure, we could just give them new uses, but that just removes a problem and spawns a new one
Then it becomes a recipe bloat item like Tenebris
golden sonnet
Maneater bulbs used to exist too, and were also removed for just being another jungle bloat item
wide river
Oh yeah, that existed
wide river
I suggested to remove the Murky Paste and Trapper Bulbs, and someone else suggested the Beetle Juice one
As one suggestion, they may stand a chance
kindred skiff
I suggested to remove the Murky Paste and Trapper Bulbs, and someone else sugges...
I remember murky paste
golden sonnet
Yeah, all the individual ones failed in voting, I'm hoping that by compiling them it will pass
I want them gone
Currently the only recipe that uses ancient bone dust and not regular bones as well is calcium potion. In 1.4.4 BoB can be made with a horshoe, removing the need for calcium potions altogether as there is already bounding potions to reduce fall damage, and you can just use horshoe BoB.
wide river
It does make me wonder how different the voting scene would be if people voted for the good ones over meme suggestions
wide river
Currently the only recipe that uses ancient bone dust and not regular bones as w...
Maybe that should be suggested once 1.4.4 tMod is available for everyone
golden sonnet
I was thinking of it yeah
wide river
The 1.4.4 argument is really useful for pushing for the removal of a lot of stuff, e.g Hellkite
The great re-suggesting begins, I see
glass arch
i only did this because raesh's post reminded me about it
swift wharf
demonic bone ash can be replaced by crags wood
wide river
Unfortunately a lot of my older suggestions don't have any merit to re-suggest, aren't old enough to re-suggest, or have better arguments with later updates
wide river
demonic bone ash can be replaced by crags wood
That could work, or Ash Wood once 1.4.4 is available
glass arch
scorched bone is the perfect replacement for demonic bone ash
wide river
Oh yeah, gives Scorched Bone more uses while deleting an outdated material
There are only two issues with Demonic Bone Ash
Devil's Sunrise and The Etomer
swift wharf
wide river
AGAIN?
ripe owl
Oh yeah, gives Scorched Bone more uses while deleting an outdated material
There...
What about them
wide river
What about them
Donor items
glass arch
What about them
dedicated content, so we need to get in touch with the donors
wide river
Fortunately, both of the dedicatees are in this server so we can contact them
wide river
i only did this because raesh's post reminded me about it
Oh, maybe you should bring up how the "IOU an item" got removed. Would that be a good point to make?
glass arch
i have no idea how it was removed i just know it was removed for progression freedom
and the recipes dont progression lock anything
wide river
Huh. In that case, it probably wouldn't help much
drowsy plank
thinking about how you could change the recipes too
maybe like
Honey Dew: Replace Trapper Bulb and Beetle Juice with Bee Wax
Miracle Fruit: Replace Trapper Bulb with Mango
Portabulb: Replace Murky Paste and Trapper Bulb with Souls of Night and Light and Mahogany Wood
Bezoar: Replace Murky Paste with Jungle Spores```actually wait
@golden sonnet if you remove trapper bulb, what hardmode locks portabulb?
drowsy plank
tbh uh... 15 jungle spores does not seem like a sufficient recipe but maybe that's just me
true
still
haven't found mine yet but
maybe we can address that
(im post-Provi)
swift wharf
portabulb becomes the pass finder
golden sonnet
<@161930494596874242> if you remove trapper bulb, what hardmode locks portabulb?
it's already made at a HM anvil
drowsy plank
fair the recipe being 15 spores still feels kinda
Dumb
but im sure the devs can figure something out
tbh i wouldnt mind if Queen Bee dropped something to help you find Vernal Pass, it would make sense considering it's implied Vernal's Ruins are of the civilization that used to live with the bees I think
golden sonnet
yeah, they can add/replace materials as they see fit, that's part of my suggestion, spores, vines, stingers, honey, planty mush, butterfly dust, turtles shells, ect could all be used in some of the item
drowsy plank
planty mush is a funny one but fair enough
swift wharf
i was gonna say make planty mush spawn in the jungle but nah
drowsy plank
planty mush being used to make life fruit
i meeaaaaannn
and silva DOES have connection to both the jungle and the abyss... i think
like, it could work
swift wharf
it's funny because the abyss is on the other side of the world
keen zodiac
doesn't silva come from the jungle tho
drowsy plank
planty mush can be made in more than one way
keen zodiac
the mush part is because of the water
drowsy plank
there is water in the jungle
keen zodiac
no there's not nerd
wide river
Water is in space
Planty mush comes from space confirmed
drowsy plank
there's no plants in space silly (planetoids and sky islands are not real)
anyway enough shitposting
Reaver armor already uses Living Shards in its recipe, locking it to post-Plantera. Simply making all of the current Perennial crafts use Chlorophyte as the bar and Living Shards as the progression lock would help get rid of one of the most bloaty items in the game. Hell, just make Perennial craftable with Living Shards and Chlorophyte! It would keep the connection to Plantera while removing another random plant themed ore when there are already 3. (Also, you could probably make them drop from Trappers too, post-Plant, since it might be a bit annoying to farm her so much.)```thoughts on this
wide river
It looks fine, although I think it's unlikely that it'd pass because I think the devs still have plans for Perennial
keen zodiac
sucks thematically; important distinction
no reaver also sucks in general
drowsy plank
it's okay to be wrong
moving on
i understand, but this would still keep perennial around
just not the ore iteself
wide river
Ah, make it somewhat like Hallowed in Vanilla?
north oracle
reaver is an excellent tank set, it just has a remarkable lack of any form of damage dealing
drowsy plank
which frankly, makes it great because if you can't die, and the boss is taking damage, it will eventually die
it's like playing on super easy mode
it makes face tanking possible too which is very funny with some of the tmelee options that exist
drowsy plank
Ah, make it somewhat like Hallowed in Vanilla?
the idea was to make it more like the other chlorophyte bar crafts like spectre and shroomite but uhhhhh... now that you're saying it plant just dropping perrenial directly, and killing both perrenial ore AND living shards is... an appealing concept
wide river
That wasn't the intention of my comment, but that's infinitely better than my idea
drowsy plank
and to avoid the whole "well what if you don't want to fight the boss again" thing like how moon lord spawns luminite and the mechs spawn hallowed ores, you could... idk, make chloro craftable into perrennial at an autohammer. that thing is post-Plant and already has associations with chlorophyte anyway. ez
cobalt pewter
honestly my only issue with making Perennial an upgrade from Chloro is that
a lot of vanilla stuff post plant already use chloro as base
then again, it's less of an issue than the ore bloat
drowsy plank
frankly, i consider that a strength of it. so much content is already chloro dependant, what's one more? especially when we LITERALLY just made Chlorophyte 2
cobalt pewter
this is really just an issue of cal overlapping on a lot more post plant content which is already bloated in and of itself
just put most progression stuff on calclone instead of plant smh
drowsy plank
perennial but it's made from planty mush in the abyss and is unlocked by cal clone
ripe owl
💀
idle bone
@glass arch your idea is flawed there are multiple boss loots that can be crafted
ripe owl
Example?
idle bone
Slime god
ripe owl
Nope
glass arch
nope
ripe owl
Not anymore
idle bone
Wdym?
glass arch
slime god drops cant be crafted anymore
ripe owl
Drops are now separate from Statigel stuff FYI
glass arch
no exclusive boss drops can be crafted aside from hm and perfs
idle bone
My apoligies
wide river
the idea was to make it more like the other chlorophyte bar crafts like spectre ...
If Perennial dropped from Plantera, it would allow us to delete Perennial Slimes, making all three Life Alloy components have different kinds of enemies to drop them
It'd also allow for Living Shards to die, as you said, which would help with fixing recipe bloat
The Perennial Ore would also be gone from worldgen, making it a more easily sustainable resource
drowsy plank
Jungle Bloat is a real problem. Vanilla already suffers from it enough, but Calamity… Calamity doubles down on it. For whatever reason.
Either way, let’s kill two birds with one stone here. Remove Living Shards and remove Perennial Ore. Make Plantera drop Perennial Bars directly like how Mechs drop Hallowed (it’s implied they’re like… Plantera roots anyway), and if you want to make it obtainable without a boss rematch, make it craftable with Chlorophyte and Jungle Spores at an Autohammer. Autohammer being the thing that locks it to post-Plantera, which is the exact same thing Vanilla does with Shroomite, so there’s already precedent, too.
That’s two Jungle materials down in one swing, and vastly reducing the repetitive nature of content at this point in progression, because Perennial was always just Chlorophyte But Again And Not In The Jungle, anyway, and we could also kill its ore slime too. Maybe make it drop from Trappers. I don’t care, you get the point.```Looks good!
small timber
if you want to retheme perennial stuffs (or change how they are obtained) I seriously think the previous approach is better
which is Chlorophyte + Living Shard = Perennial Bars
that way perennial is not used to lock stuffs previously locked behind living shards (because some of them will not make themetical sense)
drowsy plank
fair, enough i suppose, but i dont think anyone really likes living shards either, and with a quick resprite of perennial to be a bit more Terra-y i could easily see it working. After all, Reaver and Terra already use the same greens and yellows (or similar, at least)
would make more sense for the terra items too, considering they used to be made with broken hero sword, not uh
glass arch
wasnt perennial literally just resprited
small timber
then it means perennial generation probably will not be removed yeah
drowsy plank
it doesnt even need like a real resprite literally a pallet swap would be enough
bluh
small timber
then at this point just focus on the retheming part and suggest to make the generation more unique
instead of "jungle ore no.2" (before no.1 chlorophyte and no.3 tarragon)
drowsy plank
tbf it
doesnt even spawn in jungle it just spawns Everywhere it's just. another plant themed ore and it's so fucking lame
idk make plant drop the ore, im not ur mum
it still works
or make it craftable with chloro ore and spores
it changes like 1 thing
moon lord drops and ore after all
make it perennialite
wide river
wasnt perennial literally just resprited
I don't think the "It just got resprited" argument always works
Take Skullmasher, for example
It got removed literally the update after getting resprited
drowsy plank
Jungle Bloat is a real problem. Vanilla already suffers from it enough, but Calamity… Calamity doubles down on it. For whatever reason.
Either way, let’s kill two birds with one stone here. Remove Living Shards and remove Perennial Ore. Move all their crafts onto Perennial Bars, and make Plantera drop Perennial Bars directly like how Mechs drop Hallowed (it’s implied they’re like… Plantera roots anyway). If you want to keep the ore around, make it drop the ore instead, that isn’t the important part.
If you want to make it obtainable without a boss rematch, make it craftable with Chlorophyte and Jungle Spores at an Autohammer instead of making us mine for it after just mining for Chlorophyte and Hallowed. Autohammer being the thing that locks it to post-Plantera, which is the exact same thing Vanilla does with Shroomite, so there’s already precedent, too.
That’s two Jungle materials down in one swing, and vastly reducing the repetitive nature of content at this point in progression, because Perennial was always just Chlorophyte But Again And Not In The Jungle, anyway, and we could also kill its ore slime too. Maybe make it drop from Trappers. I don’t care, you get the point.```
drowsy plank
make the ore and the brick like... unrefined perennial bricks and refined perennial bricks made from bars and stone or smth
i understand that but
Life Alloy
half imp
makes more sense than plant dropping bars
wide river
There are still plans for Perennial iirc
half imp
yeah there is
wide river
makes more sense than plant dropping bars
Does killing a mech spawning ore in the underground make any sense?
half imp
Life Alloy
living shards
life alloy
fits even more
ornate kestrel
Perennial is getting more uses iirc
half imp
Does killing a mech spawning ore in the underground make any sense?
the souls trapped inside it do it or smth
drowsy plank
perennial could just be chloro item upgraded with living shards
drowsy plank
it still works
drowsy plank
i will
ornate kestrel
Tbh, chlorophyte already has too many uses
drowsy plank
you already have to do it for everything and it's mother it's better than mining two ores that pretend to try and be different
i think BECAUSE chloro does so much that taking Chloro 2 and just actually making it Chloro works
wide river
Whatever plan does something with Perennial I'm fine with
I'd like it if the ore was removed, but I understand that moving it to Plantera puts more focus on boss content
drowsy plank
you
ornate kestrel
i think BECAUSE chloro does so much that taking Chloro 2 and just actually makin...
No
drowsy plank
already have to kill plant to get it anyway
ornate kestrel
I refuse to mine more chloro
half imp
i like perrenial being an ore it just needs to be a more interesting one
if we didn't have scoria i'd say make it abyss ore
silva power or whatever
drowsy plank
how do you make it more interesting without stripping away everything that makes it an ore
fuck it put it in the underground desert idfk
half imp
perrenial rejection :)
wide river
Maybe make somthing like a planetoid but underground?
drowsy plank
turning it into bootleg auric doesnt actually solve the problem of it being something you need to go mine for after just going and mining a plant themed ore
wide river
Just create structure in the underground that spawn with Perennial ore inside
ornate kestrel
Put it in the trees roots or leaves idfc
glass arch
removing perennial ore right now is a bad idea
removing it later isnt out of the question but it was resprited in 2.0.2
drowsy plank
it's still a jungle themed ore you need to go underground to obtain just after going underground and obtaining an jungle themed ore 💥
half imp
move perrenial to abyss
drowsy plank
hm
drowsy plank
but scoria is hydrothermic and stuff
half imp
L
ornate kestrel
Rename it
drowsy plank
unless you have more to add to this im still kinda iffy on it
wide river
move scoria to crags
Then there'd be two separate ores to mine in the Crags
Suevite and Scoria
glass arch
crags already has infernal suevite
half imp
ok?
drowsy plank
i guess??
half imp
they're tiers apart
drowsy plank
frankly the crags need it
half imp
^
drowsy plank
you drop them like hot trash post brimmy
half imp
yeah
ornate kestrel
Tbh scoria looks more like it belongs in the crags
half imp
they need more content
drowsy plank
and bloodstone is getting moved to ravager post-ML anyway
when he finally gets addressed
half imp
make scoria spawn in the crag's roof
right under abyss
that way "hydrothermic" still makes some sense
drowsy plank
considering crags still needs the full biome rework you could easily make scoria like. deposits dripping down from the abyss
wide river
That sounds like it could cause issues
What if some of it spawns and creates a path to the bottom of the abyss
drowsy plank
just under the abyss
half imp
there's a lot of space between crags and abyss
glass arch
scoria spawning in the crags makes sense because the crags in lore is known for forging shit
ornate kestrel
Do they always spawn on the same side?
drowsy plank
and mining into the abyss is kinda already a problem anyway
not much we can do to stop it
yeah
half imp
yes
glass arch
Do they always spawn on the same side?
ye
drowsy plank
crags using a hydrothermic forge does sound pretty based
ornate kestrel
It'd make sense
drowsy plank
yeah that all lines up i think
does make for some funny thematic issues but whatever
actually wait
drowsy plank
why the fuck DOES scoria spawn so high up???
ornate kestrel
Scoria implies that the ores itself is already very hot, so you'd need an even hotter place to melt it
half imp
idk
drowsy plank
i mean, progression obviously but
ornate kestrel
Ye
drowsy plank
i think this rework would actually help solve that issue more
half imp
i think this would be a really good change
wide river
Fun fact
If you google "Hydrothermic" Calamity is the first results
half imp
make perrenial unique
drowsy plank
because seriously why does the hydrothermic ore stop... spawning where hydrothermic vents would be
half imp
HYDROTHERMIC VENT???
ornate kestrel
?!?
half imp
also
if it spawned in low abyss still
devil fish and chaotic puffer can keep dropping it
drowsy plank
Theses Mother Fuckers
ornate kestrel
Oh hell yeah
drowsy plank
i assumed this was what the ore was based on
ornate kestrel
Anyway
half imp
Theses Mother Fuckers
ornate kestrel
If perennial is moved to upper abyss
half imp
it also means both calclone and plant give abyss stuff
which is prolly fine
encourage going there more
wide river
Problem: Would moving two ores generation locations and obtainment areas not be considered too high effort?
ornate kestrel
Then would scoria be like what happens to organic matter when put under lots of pressure
half imp
Problem: Would moving two ores generation locations and obtainment areas not be ...
idt so
it's not that huge a change
wide river
make perrenial code gen on planty mush instead of stone
That makes it Tenebris 2 in generation
tardy geyser
Moving scoria to the lower abyss might cause issues with breath loss
ornate kestrel
Tenebris is dead
half imp
you can get it in crags too
lower abyss is just for thematic compatibility
crags is the "intended" way
at least in my proposal
half imp
scoria in crags sounds hot though
ornate kestrel
And see if it gets put into voting
wide river
Tenebris is dead
I'm aware. I'm just saying that Tenebris used to generate on Planty Mush, so that might cause issues
Especially if players removed all the Planty Mush in the world
ornate kestrel
Wellllllllllll
half imp
yeah maybe not gen on planty mush
just an idea
also perennial slime
still exists although prolly shouldn't
half imp
yeah could work as long as you exclude deep abyss walls
ornate kestrel
It's not gravel tho
half imp
voidstone
wide river
If you're this confident in the idea, then suggest it
See if a dev thinks it'd be too high effort or not
drowsy plank
Perennial is a plant themed ore in a Jungle scotch full of Plant themed ores. You wanna know what else already has an incentive to be explored with plant-themed items in it post-Plantera and CalClone? The Abyss. Move Perennial to the Abyss sort of like how Tenebris used to be with Planty Mush, and then move Scoria to be dripping from the bottom of the Abyss into the Crags.
It’s a double whammy of thematic relevance, because Silva was a Dryad, and hence associated with the Jungle, and CalClone is associated with the Crags through Brimflames, and she already unlocks Abyss drops anyway (I know Scoria is still post-Golem that isn't the point, and you can still have Chaotic Puffers drop it then).
Plus, why the hell does the HYDROTHERMIC ore spawn in the upper ocean instead of… down near the molten core where Hell is? If you moved Scoria to sort of “drip” down from the Abyss into the Crags (while also spawning in the fourth layer still, for thematic purposes), it would be obtainable by players by mining said “stalactites”, give the Crags more purpose after you drop them hard post-Brimmy, and fit with the fact that the Crags is well know for forging already, so of course they’d be pumping heat up into the Abyss, leading to the perfect reasoning for Hydrothermic Vents of Scoria Ore to be made there anyway.```Ok
lapis gyro
```Move Perennial to the Abyss and Scoria to the Crags (but Still Under the Abys...
why the hell does the HYDROTHERMIC ore spawn in the upper ocean
hydrothermic means both heat and water
wide river
Minor nitpick, typo in one of the last sentences
the Crags is well know for forging already
lapis gyro
yeah theres water around those
drowsy plank
> why the hell does the HYDROTHERMIC ore spawn in the upper ocean
hydrothermic m...
they're literally based on this. which is at the bottom of the ocean
lapis gyro
bottom of the ocean =/= hell
drowsy plank
okay focus on the molten core of the planet part
lapis gyro
what do you mean dripping
ornate kestrel
At least that's what I'm getting from what he says when saying drip effect
drowsy plank
half imp
yes
although maybe not exactly like that so they don't dig up
that ALSO helps explain crag water leaks
half imp
yea
bc rn the crags being caused by abyss water is more "tell, don't show"
besides generating under the abyss
ornate kestrel
The drawing doesn't need to be how it will be, just something to get the point across
half imp
yea
tbh.. someone could build an in game example
that'd be sick if anyone wanted to (i could try tommorow)
drowsy plank
im sleeping in 15 and have a shit ton of homework, so yeah go ahead
ornate kestrel
I would but I don't have the skills for it
drowsy plank
i think id be good at it but im SO busy these days that's why i trash talk in sugg-disc because this is the most cal interaction i can get
half imp
felt
ornate kestrel
I live here whenever I go on this server
drowsy plank
i beat moonlight provi at least
lapis gyro
help and advice is nice bc i get to feel helpful
ornate kestrel
Yeah
But
This is fun for some reason
More fun than the actual mod to me at this point
I've already done 40+, playthroughs of the mod
It's gotten rather dull
lapis gyro
makes sense
drowsy plank
kinda true sometimes, but ive been super hype for my most recent run because im like. finally wrecking these bosses and focusing on building too
ornate kestrel
All my hours on tmod are on cal basically
ornate kestrel
I had just started SofA right before the tmod update to 1.4
I had finished calamity at that point amd time
It didn't have anything new
Or reworked
And it also didn't have infernum
I've technically finished all of base calamity
All classes
Rev and death
lapis gyro
i need to start trying other classes
wide river
I like how this went from talking about Perennial to talking about Calamity playthroughs
ornate kestrel
I'm almost done with infernum on all classes, just mage and Melee left
drowsy plank
cei wont tell me if silva is still jungle themed so idk if the perennial in abyss idea works
lapis gyro
i need to start trying other classes
vanilla or modded i always just go melee
ornate kestrel
I'm almost done with infernum on all classes, just mage and Melee left
THEN I'M FREE
Wait
Nvm
MoR and thorium
Welp
I have a long ways to go
lapis gyro
cal + every other content mod 10+ times each
ornate kestrel
SoA and Spirit mod haven't updated yet to 1.4
So
I only have thorium and MoR left for now
lapis gyro
well theres still other content mods, like the stars above and fargos and stuff
ornate kestrel
I've already done Fargo's and Star's Above
lapis gyro
oh nvm then
lapis gyro
yeah i havent done an actual playthrough with tsa but its really interesting
blazing kettle
cei wont tell me if silva is still jungle themed so idk if the perennial in abys...
i think it clashes with hydrothermic
ornate kestrel
Did you not read the thing
lapis gyro
the idea is to move scoria to brimstone crags
ornate kestrel
And abyss 4
blazing kettle
Did you not read the thing
...no
lapis gyro
```Move Perennial to the Abyss and Scoria to the Crags (but Still Under the Abys...
here it is
lapis gyro
i think perennial would have to be renamed and/or resprited for it to look right though
bright green and named after a flower dont exactly scream abyss to me
ornate kestrel
Renaming wouldn't be too much of a problem
The sprite could just be tuned down a bit to a darker color
So they don't need to change too much
But
Ofc
This is all just ideas
drowsy plank
pretend the flowers are like the old mist lilies from the decomissioned crag rework
blazing kettle
seems like a lot of work but not quite enough to tread the dont
drowsy plank
yeah
lapis gyro
what color should the flowers be
drowsy plank
just a duller orange, sort of like what color scoria is now
drowsy plank
yeah looks good to me
half imp
bright green and named after a flower dont exactly scream abyss to me
silva the dryad makes it make sense
her whole deal is bringing tons of life to the abyss
plus perennial matches her nature of not dying
lapis gyro
is that part of the new lore
lapis gyro
oh huh
half imp
but it's more clear in new lore
lapis gyro
guess i never really looked into silva
half imp
silva is why planty mush exists
hollow shell
Hmmmmmm hmmmmmmm
crude geode
Graphic design is my passion
I guess scoria can be in both crags and bottom of the abyss?
If bloodstone is completely disconnected from crags it becomes a lot more bearable
If it even is at this point
lapis gyro
where would bloodstone go though
hollow shell
the rest of hell that isn't the crags perhaps
crude geode
Rav
hollow shell
Or yeah exclusive Rav material maybe
lapis gyro
ravager and maybe buffed blood moon
hollow shell
Also uhh
@drowsy plank correction (something that tripped me up too even in dev proposals)
Perennial is not a Jungle ore. It spawns in Dirt and Stone across the Cavern, and not in Mud.
lapis gyro
oh yeah thats true
after hearing about the silva lore though i agree it should go to the abyss
though i dont particularly like the scoria pillars idea, maybe stalagmites spread throughout the crags
wide river
I don't really like this execution of how Perennial would be moved, I'd prefer if it if two Life Alloy components weren't acquired from the same place
crude geode
That is a good point
lapis gyro
yeah scoria would be moved to the crags
wide river
We'd have to remove Scoria from the Abyss in its entirety, which would be weird considering the name of "Scoria" has volcanic connections
drowsy plank
<@166992984171085824> correction (something that tripped me up too even in dev p...
oh fair, im just criticizing plant ores in general, but ill specify
wide river
I'd prefer the initial plan, where Plantera would drop it instead of it being a traditional ore
drowsy plank
though i dont particularly like the scoria pillars idea, maybe stalagmites sprea...
that was more the idea yeah
hollow shell
(obligatory mention that we the devs had extensive plans for Perennial that would've given it a more distinct identity, and a good chunk of the worldgen work was completed for it
before The Troubles occurred.)
drowsy plank
Ah.
hollow shell
(Those plans did not involve The Abyss, at least not directly
But I suppose that don't matter now because those plans were spearheaded by the leavers and are therefore moot)
drowsy plank
how much of it was taken along with them? is like, any of it still implementable
ok yeah
it's disappointing to hear the generation was already mostly done too
would there be any way to simple rework the aesthetics and ideas while maintaining the code or?
hollow shell
It was coded by Dom.
wide river
If the devs that left made the code they can't use that either
hollow shell
It was indeed mostly artists
Iban and Dom being the only two programmers I think? (aside from the devs that only dabbled in programming a very minor bit) (also Iban is like half an exception cuz he was also a prolific artist)
half imp
We'd have to remove Scoria from the Abyss in its entirety, which would be weird ...
not entirely; the point is moving it to abyss 4 so it's there thematically but hard to get through abyss, while also being connected to crags and easy to get there
therefore enhancing the lore connection of the two places in a "show, don't tell" way that's kinda lacking in abyss and crags rn
while perrenial would be higher and easy to get with that tier of diving gear
drowsy plank
the vents in particular were to imply the leakage between the two that started azafure and all, but it seemed unpopular, so veins of ore in both areas would be enough
regardless this is a high controversial idea so i imagine even if it passes voting by some miracle, it could easily be rejected
half imp
yea
wide river
not entirely; the point is moving it to abyss 4 so it's there thematically but h...
That doesn't solve the issue of two of the three Life Alloy components being from the same area
drowsy plank
i just hope the devs see it and it gets the brains going on the whole perennial deal
half imp
crags vs abyss isn't the same area
i mean you COULD do just abyss
but the easier way would be crags
and therefore the encouraged way
half imp
i don't see that as an issue because it's completely different biomes and atmospheres
wide river
Then why is Abyss brought up, if we're going to just put it in the Crags?
drowsy plank
That doesn't solve the issue of two of the three Life Alloy components being fro...
tbf scoria would be from crags (mostly) and perennial would be from abyss in terms of actually obtaining them, but i understand what you mean. i still think cal's own biomes getting a bit more love
hollow shell
i mean you COULD do just abyss
I would consider it the same area. Or at least it's much more of a same area compared to current where Perennial has no relation to the Abyss
half imp
yeah
lapis gyro
Then why is Abyss brought up, if we're going to just put it in the Crags?
because its supposed to drip down from the bottom of the abyss
drowsy plank
you know, azafure, lore, all that good stuff
half imp
Then why is Abyss brought up, if we're going to just put it in the Crags?
abyss and crags are connected in lore, so scoria being in light amounts in abyss almost like heat is rizing from azafure would enhance that connection that currently isn't obvious
hollow shell
also the way the Scoria is structured on that mockup, it seems like this is going to encourage players to drain out the Abyss into the Crags and cause a big mess
lapis gyro
that is also a problem
half imp
tommorow i'm gonna build an in-game mockup prolyl
wide river
~~also the way the Scoria is structured on that mockup, it seems like this is go...
I had brought that up, the counter argument was it can already happen
Which is really a bad counter
half imp
that makes that less of an issue
hollow shell
Yeah but players are not encouraged to do so currently
there is no gain
But if you put a bunch of exclusive ore in that boundary, there is a gain
half imp
instead of scoria going between it'd just be on abyss floor and crags ceiling
not in the space between
drowsy plank
~~also the way the Scoria is structured on that mockup, it seems like this is go...
i should prolly change the image but yeah
lemme uh
hollow shell
s'not just the image but it's the proposal itself
That's where you want Scoria to be put
Even if it's not a big solid VeinMiner-able chunk, and instead spread out,
people will still be doing mining tunnels down into it to get to the ore
and very likely cause a water breach
into hell
lapis gyro
thats why i like the idea of stalagmites on the floor of the crags
no need to risk draining the abyss
maybe some stalactites on the roof above them too
half imp
yea
i'm saying personally like
actually lemme just get a world image with crags and abyss rn
nvm wiki doesn't have them together i don't think
lapis gyro
hold on i think i might
drowsy plank
half imp
yea that's more like it
lapis gyro
my world was generated before 2.0.2.2 
half imp
thank you
hollow shell
alright yeah I spose that'd solve it
lapis gyro
maybe have the abyss blocks come down to be the roof of that part of the crags too
drowsy plank
okay yeah that is PLENTY of room to fit it
hollow shell
You can put that in your sugg as a link or repost it with that imag too
drowsy plank
i will reupload sugg one sec
made the abyss part smaller to get the point across that we have PLENTY of buffer to work with
drowsy plank
i feel like almost everyone would have the same worry as you, so bigger is better
i think you get the idea
drowsy plank
hell yeah
please do ill easily rerepost the sugg if we get some screenshots of how it's built
also use dark green paint on the perennial if you include a picture of that
since it'll make it more abyss-y
half imp
i'm not gonna paint it so it's more clearly perrenial
drowsy plank
fair enough
half imp
maybe put gemspark walls behind it if needed
half imp
@drowsy plank
orange gemspark walls added for emphasis
actually
imma add more in crags floor
sudden solstice
what class should i play for my 2nd run of calamity? ive beaten it with melee already and im looking for a bit of a challenge so im doing death mode
lapis gyro
wrong channel but i hear ranger is challenging
sudden solstice
thanks lmao
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random pasture
Nice
toxic basalt
starting to doubt if Destroyer is ever going to get changed
golden tulip
pretty sure boss changes generally do not get through because fabsol doesnt listen to others when it comes to bosses 
toxic basalt
even if Destroyer is literally the worst boss in the mod atm?
because it's a literal rngfest where most projectiles just go here, there and everywhere with like no telling when?
and the fact that this exists for a reason:
golden tulip
even if Destroyer is literally the worst boss in the mod atm?
i mean that is subjective
drowsy plank
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[**Buff...
yoooo??
toxic basalt
i mean that is subjective
majority of the people who I have spoken to about destroyer have agreed that he's shit
bar one person
who thinks he's good
cobalt pewter
Fab
toxic basalt
toxic basalt
Hold on i actually recently made a joke about Destroyer back in 1.5.1.1 when he was probably at his worst
golden tulip
dog try not to be controversial in every possible difficulty that exists challenge
cobalt pewter
he's popular because of his sprites (and size ig?) and music tbh
golden tulip
inferior fabrications
sleek turret
toxic basalt
inferior fabrications <:trollage:910807924278960139>
that goes hard
the Exo Remix goes even harder
anyways uh
toxic basalt
he's popular because of his sprites (and size ig?) and music tbh
yeah that pretty much
the actual fight though is uh...
well he's probably been through the refinery too many times
and yet there is always some problem with him in the end
random talon
@drowsy plank your suggestion goes hard
golden sonnet
Wouldn't it force you to go to tier 4 for scoria now instead of tier 2/3?
halcyon zealot
o interesting
wouldn't mind if that changes the tier of scoria stuff
there's so much content in that plant - moon lord area
ornate kestrel
Wouldn't it force you to go to tier 4 for scoria now instead of tier 2/3?
You could also go to the crags for it now with this
Just go mining in the ceiling
golden sonnet
Ah, that's fair, it would need to be a decent amount to have enough though
half imp
Ah, that's fair, it would need to be a decent amount to have enough though
this is roughly the concept that we're sharing; there'd probably be more than that in the crags though
the issue with this suggestion is abyss 3
which thematically makes a LOT of sense with scoria rn
small timber
imo perennial is better in crags (and scoria is abyss) but it will require a bit of retheming for perennial
distant gyro
Suevite also exists
golden sonnet
imo perennial is better in crags (and scoria is abyss) but it will require a bit...
Hear me out, just remove perennial
glass arch
perennial wont be removed for a while considering it literally was just resprited in 2.0.2
dense ferry
imo perennial is better in crags (and scoria is abyss) but it will require a bit...
Not that much of a retheming tbh
swift wharf
I like the idea of moving perennial to the abyss
half imp
Suevite also exists
although that is a few tiers behind scoria
dense ferry
If you make a stretch you can say it's because of Silva shit and her essence and yadda yadda
ripe owl
What's suevite
dense ferry
Shove in some fiery stuff and yeah that's about it
dense ferry
Tho yeah I think Perennial going to the Abyss is a better move
glass arch
What's suevite
charred ore after the rename
dense ferry
Honestly both could be put interchangeably but I think Perennial would need more effort because it would take a rebrand
ripe owl
I call bullshit
glass arch
wasnt it 2.0.2
dense ferry
There
swift wharf
Honestly both could be put interchangeably but I think Perennial would need more...
just make all the sprites darker
🥴
dense ferry
TRUE
dense ferry
So true oomfie
bright crag
We have a lot of ideas for Perennial which we'll get through eventually
If I'm not mistaken, moving it to the Abyss was proposed by a dev before, and we agreed not to
As to Scoria not being in the bottom
That's simply because it would kill the theme of the Void, being a large trench in almost absolute darkness
So we made Layer 3 themed around hydrothermic vents
And that's where Scoria is :p
swift wharf
lame
drowsy plank
💥
the real solution is to simply make perennial cactus themed and put it in the underground desert
ripe owl
Sp trye!
golden sonnet
Hello? Based alert!
hollow shell
Not even that bad of an idea
golden sonnet
Fr, jungle got like 3 ores, desert has 0
golden sonnet
Oh, yeah desert fossil exists, not ever worth getting in cal tho
glass arch
yeah it fucking sucks but its something at least
golden sonnet
It's good in vanilla because everything else sucks
glass arch
true
hollow shell
Fr, jungle got like 3 ores, desert has 0
(again, Perennial is in caverns, not jungle)
golden sonnet
(again, Perennial is in caverns, not jungle)
By jungle I meant jungle themed
Uelibloom can spawn in mushroom biomes as well, but I grouped them all together because they are all jungle themed plant ores, regardless of where they are found
hollow shell
Desert Cactus would indeed be a more unique theme
Vanilla of course has regular cactus armor but
it also has regular planty jungle armor, yknow
drowsy plank
hm
well ill consider writing a serious one since the devs seem to have made it pretty clear the abyss rework one wouldnt work
later at least
just gonna get rid of it for now since already got confirmation that a developer proposed a similar thing and it got rejected, and seeing that the issues with this implementation are somewhat irreconsilable
hollow shell
Aight
errant bobcat
Yea the cactus idea would be a lot better
drowsy plank
the more i think about it the more the... cactus thing actually works? like it was just a bit at first but plant DOES have some... mexican/desert themeing for... whatever reason??
dense ferry
The thing is that
I'm pretty sure Sunken Sea Rework will do something to flair the desert
And it's coming sooner rather than later
drowsy plank
Oh Plantera "The Great Southern Plantkill" I'm guessing?
that + the sombero plantera pet
hollow shell
I'm pretty sure Sunken Sea Rework will do something to flair the desert
I don't think those plans would conflict with this
drowsy plank
sunken sea just reworks sunken sea i thought
dense ferry
Yeah, but could lead to some bloat
dense ferry
Jungle is a special case because on God
But like, they Jungle being bloated isn't an excuse to bloat the rest of the game
Byeah, just something to keep in mind, since that idea would be best implemented together with Sunken Sea Rework which will already come with a bunch of shit being reworked too and that will be another thing in the backlog for the update
hollow shell
Hm I spose the Desert does get a good bit of action after WoF already
It gets GSS after Plant too
golden sonnet
I fee like there isn't really a reason to ever go mining in the desert though, where jungle you mine in like 4 times
hollow shell
But I still think it'd be cool, it'd be quite a unique theme to do desert plantlife, largely unexplored concept beyond very earlygame
dense ferry
Oh yeah there is also the part where
hollow shell
Iirc it is being moved, isn't it?
if so then even better
dense ferry
Mining in the desert is kinda ass
hollow shell
I fee like there isn't really a reason to ever go mining in the desert though, w...
Yeah all the current HM Desert content is fighting enemies
dense ferry
Byeah, it's not a terrible idea, just could lead to some conflicts with existing ideas and in the case it gets implemented then it would probably be too much for the Sunken Sea Rework where it would be best added
hollow shell
that + the sombero plantera pet
(also you right I forgot Plantero even had a sombrero)
tardy geyser
Why do people call it a jungle ore tho, like the only thing that ties it to the jungle is it spawning after plant.
ripe owl
Because Plantera spawns it
random pasture
But then it would need nerfs
ripe owl
And, doesn't the message say smth about mud?
random pasture
Yes
hollow shell
You're thinking of Uelibloom
ripe owl
Oops
hollow shell
Perennial not only doesn't gen in the jungle, it doesn't gen in mud either
tardy geyser
But then it would need nerfs
No make it only minable post plant
or use autohammer to craft the bars
hollow shell
No make it only minable post plant
Everyone would complain about that just like they do with Cryonic now
hollow shell
(Chloro's wait is good cuz it needs to grow :wethink:)
hollow shell
sleep well
dense ferry
I have grown mostly emotionless to it now
I just know that if one day I wake up to 27 pings then I got it
drowsy plank
lmao
halcyon zealot
Lol
fervent orbit
enchilada is cooking
golden sonnet
Normally enchiladas are the things being cooked, it's weird to see them cooking