please dont give omega blue another summon its alr got 15 ap
#suggestions-discussion
fervent orbit
frosty trellis
Why does omega blue have 15 AP anyways
fervent orbit
???
inner anvil
Uh, why are you using a mage weapon as a summoner? Did I miss something?
fervent orbit
Why does omega blue have 15 AP anyways
reaper tooth
fervent orbit
Uh, why are you using a mage weapon as a summoner? Did I miss something?
idk they just complained about it
inner anvil
Well, their problem, not mine to fix.
frosty trellis
Uh, why are you using a mage weapon as a summoner? Did I miss something?
Because no whips so no endgame summon weapons
fervent orbit
no ones to fix
jagged jewel
Uh, why are you using a mage weapon as a summoner? Did I miss something?
Because sometimes standing right next to the boss isn't a viable way to not die
fervent orbit
summoner penalty is fine
frosty trellis
Because sometimes standing right next to the boss isn't a viable way to not die
Then don't
You don't need to use whips
fervent orbit
Because sometimes standing right next to the boss isn't a viable way to not die
sooooo just dont?
edgy sundial
then don't stand next to the boss, jim
frosty trellis
Just hold a summon or classless weapon and dodge like a normal person
fervent orbit
whips are not balanced yet and may not come out for a while
inner anvil
Because no whips so no endgame summon weapons
You can still use Kaleidoscope, or use nothing. The class' still fine with just your summon.
swift wharf
this is a conversation of the highest caliber
frosty trellis
You can still use Kaleidoscope, or use nothing. The class' still fine with just ...
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING
inner anvil
Lol.
Lmao.
XD.
fervent orbit
You can still use Kaleidoscope, or use nothing. The class' still fine with just ...
they think theyre being forced to have tag that doesnt even work currently on the boss at all times and being close to it
inner anvil
I mean, we haven't balanced the class to force tag, so he's wrong, for now.
frosty trellis
And they say bc summoner doesn't have enough weapons that you can't have any defensive accessories 
hardy laurel
Use the jellyfish thing
jagged jewel
So lemme get this straight
You have a class where the entire damage it does is based on passive damage
It can't dodge because that's nerfed, it has zero stealth possibility, and has not the best agility and it needs to stay close range to the boss to even work
Oh yeah plus does a fraction of the damage of other classes because it's limited by minion slots
swift wharf
when the glass cannon armor is cannoing..................
fervent orbit
yea whips arent even currently balanced
edgy sundial
they think theyre being forced to have tag ~~that doesnt even work currently~~ o...
no, they think that all summon weapons cease to exist once summoning their minions, so it's better to hold a mage weapon than nothing at all
small timber
So lemme get this straight
You have a class where the entire damage it does is ...
no you are just shit at dodging
fervent orbit
So lemme get this straight
You have a class where the entire damage it does is ...
wat part of dodging is nerfed?
small timber
I dont know how to put it in another way
hardy laurel
So lemme get this straight
You have a class where the entire damage it does is ...
If you can't dodge that's a you problem
fervent orbit
if anything dodging has been buffed too fucking much
jagged jewel
Isn't that shit semi on cool down so you can't abuse it like vanilla terraria
Or am I using the wrong word for dodge
fervent orbit
200% dmg is not ok
jagged jewel
Whatever the shit is that lets you evade being hit
swift wharf
hardy laurel
Dashes
small timber
if people can beat bosses with true melee and yoyo that is a 'you' problem for not being able to dodge considering whips are even longer
edgy sundial
i think he might be trying to facetank... 
small timber
and you dont even have to keep boss on screen for more than 50% of the fight as summoner even if you force whips because whip tag damage last longer than 1 second
jagged jewel
Yoyo and melee aren't a problem I just think summoner is disadvantaged end game
hardy laurel
Literally your whole argument can be fixed by installing Unofficial Calamity Whips
swift wharf
also yeah the whip range is massive
fervent orbit
when tf has summoner been synonymous with dodges? just cuz u did it in 1.4 release on eol for terraprisma cuz u couldnt dodge?
inner anvil
Summoner isn't at a disadvantage end-game, that's for sure lmao.
fervent orbit
Yoyo and melee aren't a problem I just think summoner is disadvantaged end game
do i even have to explain ares exoskeletons bullshit
inner anvil
I know because I tested the entire class in the endgame.
hardy laurel
Summoner has the highest and most consistent dps throughout the whole fuckin game
jagged jewel
What's the point of a class where a boss can agro on you but you can't fight back or evade being hit lmao
fervent orbit
or the fact that photon ripper isnt affected by summoner penalty
inner anvil
Summoner has the highest and most consistent dps throughout the whole fuckin gam...
Except for Pre-Hardmode.
swift wharf
summoenr is an advantage endgame
frosty trellis
So lemme get this straight
You have a class where the entire damage it does is ...
Passive damage
Literally that's how the class has been since it was introduced in 1.2, long before whips were a thing
Dodging isn't nerfed
You're just shit at dodging and literal skill issue. You're given way more mobility options in cal to dodge shit and defensive accessories to not die as easily
Limited by minion slots
Just use the proper summoner accessories ffs. If you're using the 2-3 on tier summoner accessories that give slots you're fine on damage and can focus on dodging while also having slots option for mobility and defense. It doesn't deal a fraction of the damage other classes deal in the slightest.
small timber
the defenses between the different class (except for rogue which is just stupid) is so small in the end game that it is funny
hardy laurel
Except for Pre-Hardmode.
I rite
inner anvil
What's the point of a class where a boss can agro on you but you can't fight bac...
That's a question to tell the creator of Terraria, Redigit, around 7 years ago.
swift wharf
What's the point of a class where a boss can agro on you but you can't fight bac...
what does this even MEAN
do you want the game to play itself for you or
fervent orbit
What's the point of a class where a boss can agro on you but you can't fight bac...
"cant fight back" you mean.....a whip?
and wats that "evade being hit"
edgy sundial
what does this even MEAN
it means he's trying to facetank and rely on armor/accessory dodging effects
errant bobcat
or the fact that photon ripper isnt affected by summoner penalty
Wait…what?!
fervent orbit
u too shit to actually learn how to dodge stuff
fervent orbit
Wait…what?!
tis a tool my friend, not a weapon!
inner anvil
Oops.
errant bobcat
tis a tool my friend, not a weapon!
Ok fair enough
small timber
if you keep blaming your own skill issue on every other thing the game has trust me it will take a lot of suggestions to fix all your problem
hardy laurel
Bitch I beat scal and exo as summoner with almost every accessory but 2 giving me minion slots
edgy sundial
imagine being able to move away from damage sources (he can't)
frosty trellis
Wait…what?!
Tools don't trigger summon damage penalty
Axe of Purity, Hydraulic Volt Crasher, Grax and Photon Ripper are the main culprits
fervent orbit
if you keep blaming your own skill issue on every other thing the game has trust...
sorry but we cant fix your stupidity
jagged jewel
what does this even MEAN
Summoner can only do passive damage
Summoner cannot have accessories that allow you to sweat dodging or agility because it needs those slots for summoner
Summoner needs to stay close range to the boss at all times or the minions do not work
Summoner cannot be stealthy for the same reason it cannot dodge meaning that class takes lots of Agro but once again is the worst at fighting back
errant bobcat
Also, if you want extra DPS as a summoner without whips, just use CLASSLESS weapons
inner anvil
Hey, we don't insult people for not being able to dodge, some have more experience and some less, and if you have problems dodging, you can always try a defensive build.
errant bobcat
Summoner can only do passive damage
Summoner cannot have accessories that allo...
No, they do not need to be close range, ever heard of right clicking with a summon weapon in hand
tidal plaza
Defensive builds, as much as they're memed on, aren't bad on anything less than Death
fervent orbit
they either have inf aggro range or despawn
jagged jewel
> Passive damage
Literally that's how the class has been since it was introduced...
End game summon shit eats either max slots or like 4 or 5 meaning usually you can only have a handful out. Still low damage relatively
small timber
oh fuck time to take out the warding sheet again
hardy laurel
Summoner can only do passive damage
Summoner cannot have accessories that allo...
BRO you're literally delusional.
Summoner doesn't need to be close range, and even with all your accessories used for minion slots it's still not fuckin impossible
errant bobcat
End game summon shit eats either max slots or like 4 or 5 meaning usually you ca...
No, have you ever tried pole warper + angelic alliance together
tidal plaza
Also summoner melts most bosses with minimal input
frosty trellis
Summoner can only do passive damage
Summoner cannot have accessories that allo...
Summoner is designed to deal passive damage
You don't need more than 2 or 3 summoner specific accessories at any stage of the game to have proper DPS
You don't need to be three blocks away for your minions to work
You're literally just skill issue because summoner can be stealthy and can dodge
edgy sundial
End game summon shit eats either max slots or like 4 or 5 meaning usually you ca...
summoner is low damage if you're only doing 50% damage, i guess
hardy laurel
Man's has fuckin Menacing on all his accessorites
inner anvil
Summoner can only do passive damage
Summoner cannot have accessories that allo...
First statement is generally true.
Second's totally false, have you tried putting on Statis' Void Sash?
Third's true, I won't deny it, that's a problem I need to fix.
Fourth I have no fucking clue what you mean.
swift wharf
Summoner can only do passive damage
Summoner cannot have accessories that allo...
whips and sentries beg to differ
you can, the world isn't just minion slots
some minions have long range
the class has the least aggro what the fuck??? also aggro means nothing if you're in single player
frosty trellis
End game summon shit eats either max slots or like 4 or 5 meaning usually you ca...
What are you on
swift wharf
me when i don't have 54 minion slots
frosty trellis
A standard summoner build with two summoner accessories pre SCal/Exos has 15 slots on it
Which is more than fine
edgy sundial
What are you on
copium
hardy laurel
Mans doesn't even reforge his staffs to ruthless
errant bobcat
Or even metastasis and ares exoskeleton and gun sentry I forgot the name of
jagged jewel
First statement is generally true.
Second's totally false, have you tried puttin...
For the fourth I mean you can't become jacked with dodge or stealth accessories because you are using the slots for minion boosts
swift wharf
me when the boss attacks me (the aggro is very bad)
fervent orbit
First statement is generally true.
Second's totally false, have you tried puttin...
tbh cal summons usually have way more range than vanilla summons
but ig cal summons werent intended to be used with whips in the first hand
swift wharf
For the fourth I mean you can't become jacked with dodge or stealth accessories ...
WHY ARE YOU USING STEALTJH
inner anvil
For the fourth I mean you can't become jacked with dodge or stealth accessories ...
Stealth's for Rogue.
jagged jewel
frosty trellis
First statement is generally true.
Second's totally false, have you tried puttin...
VOID SASH
SO BASED
VERY VERY BASED
fervent orbit
For the fourth I mean you can't become jacked with dodge or stealth accessories ...
WAT DOES STEALTH MEAN
swift wharf
??????????????????????????????????
jagged jewel
WHY ARE YOU USING STEALTJH
I'm not I'm saying it would be useful for the class but you can't use it
tidal plaza
For the fourth I mean you can't become jacked with dodge or stealth accessories ...
What are you even talking about???
jagged jewel
I'm aware
swift wharf
YOU CURTAIn
hardy laurel
I'm not I'm saying it would be useful for the class but you can't use it
Yeah because it's NOT FOR FUCKING SUMMONER
frosty trellis
ONLY ROGUE USES STEALTH
swift wharf
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
jagged jewel
No shit
tidal plaza
As someone who primarily plays summoner, it's accessory layout is perfectly fine where it is
frosty trellis
SUMMONER DOESN'T USE STEALTH BC ITS ROGUES MECHANIC
swift wharf
this must be trolling
inner anvil
Do I need to bring a mod here so y'all calm down for 5 minutes?
edgy sundial
me when i can't use all the mechanics at once (it is very unfair)
hardy laurel
As someone who ***primarily*** plays summoner, it's accessory layout is perfectl...
True
swift wharf
anyways
you can use dodge accessories with summoner just fine
see amalgamated brain
& others
frosty trellis
Do I need to bring a mod here so y'all calm down for 5 minutes?
Honestly that might not be a bad idea because I'm starting to lose braincells from this man
fervent orbit
Do I need to bring a mod here so y'all calm down for 5 minutes?
i want a refund, id like my braincells back
jagged jewel
Stealth makes a lot more sense for summoner than it does for rouge
fervent orbit
Stealth makes a lot more sense for summoner than it does for rouge
no
frosty trellis
??????
tidal plaza
What on God's green earth
swift wharf
maybe im retarded
inner anvil
Stealth makes a lot more sense for summoner than it does for rouge
Well, that's whole different topic.
swift wharf
maybe summoner is a stealth class
inner anvil
And we have plans to renaming Stealth to another name that fits better.
jagged jewel
inner anvil
Like Focus.
swift wharf
maybe i should use only minion slot accessories
tidal plaza
I see why everyone is angry now, I went from reasonable to medieval in five seconds lol
hardy laurel
Mans doesn't want to equip Asgard valor and/or deific amulet
jagged jewel
Summoner is the class all bout passive damage so it should also be the class taking the least agro
hardy laurel
No?
inner anvil
Are you playing Singleplayer?
tidal plaza
Whips are also a factor that I'm pretty sure they said are getting added
frosty trellis
Stealth strikes renamed to Focus Blasts to accurately depict the accuracy of the average player
hardy laurel
That's just not how terraria works in singleplayer
swift wharf
Are you playing Singleplayer?
the bosses are supposed to fight the npcs clearly
fervent orbit
agro doesnt even matter in boss fights, it usually just focuses one person who was the closest to it
fervent orbit
agro is literally only meant for non boss enemies
small timber
tldr is all classes access their mobility or defenses from accessories
minion slot is important for summoner, but it is about as important as like fire gauntlet for melee, your damage will still be shit if you dont use anything
you have the choice to go for mobility or defenses you just choose not to for summoner because you value damage, this is not a class specific thing just you believe that only summoner is subjected to this
tidal plaza
Also on later bosses there's so much going on there isn't anyone getting particularly focused
hardy laurel
Bosses go after the player with the highest armor
swift wharf
WAIT DOES IT
hardy laurel
Or the host
frosty trellis
tldr is all classes access their mobility or defenses from accessories
minion s...
^^^^^^
tidal plaza
Or the host
Don't remind me of Aureus
hardy laurel
Lol
jagged jewel
Microwave go brrr
swift wharf
summoner even lets you focus on tank accessories because it has free damage
fervent orbit
tldr is all classes access their mobility or defenses from accessories
minion s...
except for hm, summoner usually only has 2-3 accessory options anyway
swift wharf
💥
tidal plaza
I mean... What do you need for mobility other than: Tracers and shield/belt?
frosty trellis
except for hm, summoner usually only has 2-3 accessory options anyway
You only need 2 anyways
hardy laurel
Mans just doesn't want to stop using scarab scroll and Necro scroll
inner anvil
Anyway, I improved some Pre-HM summoner weapons the past few days.
fervent orbit
im stupid
tidal plaza
I meant shield/belt for dash
frosty trellis
I mean... What do you need for mobility other than: Tracers and shield/belt?
I mean I generally prefer Wings + Dash (and maybe angel Treds) until post Yharon and then yeah you don't need anything se
fervent orbit
Anyway, I improved some Pre-HM summoner weapons the past few days.
👍
frosty trellis
Anyway, I improved some Pre-HM summoner weapons the past few days.
Nice!
small timber
(but yeah this conversation is going for a bit too long already and will clearly not change the mind of anyone so)
fervent orbit
I meant shield/belt for dash
refer to the statement said above
inner anvil
Not like stats, I'm like, coding and shit.
frosty trellis
Is belladona going to be unaffected by AP soon?
jagged jewel
inner anvil
Is belladona going to be unaffected by AP soon?
I completely reworked Belladonna.
hardy laurel
The only thing I have against summoner is that most of the armors until terragon are outclassed by spooky armor
fervent orbit
(but yeah this conversation is going for a bit too long already and will clearly...
yea lets talk about how good xpc is good at writing suggestions
tidal plaza
The only thing I have against summoner is that most of the armors until terragon...
Stardust can carry you to Silva ez
inner anvil
im intrigued tell me more sir
Become a Patreon, I'll send it for Patreons.
fervent orbit
The only thing I have against summoner is that most of the armors until terragon...
theyre not
hardy laurel
Oh I forgot stardusst
frosty trellis
I completely reworked Belladonna.
OH SICK
THAT'S AWESOME
NO MORE AP MAKING BELLADONA VIABLE ON SKELETRON WE LOVE TK SEE IT
hardy laurel
I meant stardust!
hardy laurel
No
fervent orbit
yea it is
frosty trellis
Plaguebringer armor is better than spooky
inner anvil
OH SICK
THAT'S AWESOME
NO MORE AP MAKING BELLADONA VIABLE ON SKELETRON WE LOVE ...
Yeah, my first reworked weapon, I'm very proud of it.
tidal plaza
Plague has the funny bee generation, don't you dare disparage it's name
hardy laurel
Oh
frosty trellis
Yeah, my first reworked weapon, I'm very proud of it.
I'm very excited to see it in action!
hardy laurel
Set bonuses are weird
fervent orbit
Yeah, my first reworked weapon, I'm very proud of it.
does it shoot in a shotgun still
inner anvil
Hell nah.
inner anvil
I won't say anything.
jagged jewel
I will bribe any developer to turn angel treads into bapesta's
hardy laurel
I forget them when looking at numbers
fervent orbit
if u tell me its a contact minion im going to do a bad thing
swift wharf
programmer memes......
frosty trellis
Shotgun weapons that aren't ranged when balance: (Thrown out the window)
inner anvil
Don't worry, it's not contact damage.
swift wharf
oh yeah is it more jungle themed
inner anvil
programmer memes......
Who the fuck is Memes?
fervent orbit
Don't worry, it's not contact damage.
YESSSS
tidal plaza
Kid named memes:
swift wharf
sinful violet
is it the single target high velocity slower fire rate belladonna
frosty trellis
Shotgun weapons that aren't ranged when balance: (Thrown out the window)
(Belladona viable on skele, Forsaken Saber viable on Dragonfolly)
fervent orbit
Who the fuck is Memes?
idk man must be some weird kid that only knows how to program
hardy laurel
I will bribe any developer to turn angel treads into bapesta's
I will bribe any developer to mute you for a week but you don't see me saying that do you?
fervent orbit
is it the single target high velocity slower fire rate belladonna
🤨
sinful violet
devs cant mute him
inner anvil
is it the single target high velocity slower fire rate belladonna
Yes, I went to that side.
sinful violet
you can bribe me though
jagged jewel
I will bribe any developer to mute you for a week but you don't see me saying th...
Pretty sure I just saw you say it
hardy laurel
I'll give you a high-five
sinful violet
but you didnt hear me say that
tidal plaza
Belladonna fires Gauss Nukes now
frosty trellis
That sounds like even more AP hell 
hardy laurel
Pretty sure I just saw you say it
Oh really? It's almost as if that was on purpose for comedic effect!
sinful violet
no slower fire rate higher base damage
jagged jewel
the tism is strong with this one
inner anvil
Anyway, something I will say, is that I made it predict targets, so it doesn't like, fail often.
sinful violet
AP turns from a +25% dmg bonus to like +10%
hardy laurel
the tism is strong with this one <:HDfailure:482263678150770729> <:HDfailure:482...
Almost as strong as your brain damage
Ok I'm done lmao
fervent orbit
Anyway, something I will say, is that I made it predict targets, so it doesn't l...
just make the projectile faster 
inner anvil
Bruh hours.
fervent orbit
i am prgrmr
swift wharf
isnt ap doubled rn
inner anvil
Fixed next update.
frosty trellis
Anyway, something I will say, is that I made it predict targets, so it doesn't l...
Sick!
swift wharf
since it's kind of the summoner blade of grass
fervent orbit
did u keep belladonna cute
tidal plaza
That explains why my friend's AP build was ruining bosses, actually
inner anvil
but the question is is it more jungle themed
What is "More Jungle Themed"?
sinful violet
the old idea was that it had some spore shot when the projectile landed
swift wharf
it's made with jungle materials
inner anvil
It always was though.
sinful violet
basically turns it into a better hornet staff
inner anvil
Oh yeah, the black things.
sinful violet
they're petals pretty sure
sinful violet
look at orichalcum lmao
swift wharf
:D
tidal plaza
Sick band name
inner anvil
tidal plaza
It's a pearl
swift wharf
is a marble
das what i meant with jungle themed
it's plant themed
it's flower themed, even
inner anvil
So yes, I replaced it with Plantera's seed/petal shots.
sinful violet
hornet staff but better and pre boss
inner anvil
I also made Seabound Staff better.
Not a rework, just better.
Same with Cinder Blossom Staff.
tidal plaza
Seabound was already decent, happy to see it getting love
inner anvil
Anyway, those were my slight sneak peeks at what I've been doing.
fervent orbit
is cinder blossom worth it now
frosty trellis
Same with Cinder Blossom Staff.
Does it have homing now?
inner anvil
Yeah, it's predicitve and doesn't have RNG viability.
sinful violet
squirrel
inner anvil
Real Fargo hours.
fervent orbit
squirrel so funni man
sinful violet
strange poster
it should work similarly to the sentry
ideally it gets a full rework to be something people want to use during general use since the arcing projectiles were always kinda scuffed but
boss fighting summon works
swift wharf
or just use finch staff
sinful violet
bad person
swift wharf
ur bad
sinful violet
at least i dont use finch staff
swift wharf
not yet
tidal plaza
If you like Finch Staff so much use it on SCal
swift wharf
again?
tidal plaza
Oh no, they're based
swift wharf
thats me too
rain jewel
I support the fandom wiki acc idea
frail mantle
too bad
glass arch
too bad, nobody else does
frosty trellis
Any suggestions from that guy should not be taken seriously after his entire argument on how summoner is bad for reasons that don't make sense
frosty trellis
Fuck english computer is awful
LOL
rain jewel
What did they say
glass arch
said summoner was bad after he used a multiclass glass cannon armor and wasnt holding a summon weapon
frosty trellis
NO
swift wharf
so called multiclass armor when I use two classes at the same time
swift wharf
i heard you liked damage so we doubled it
swift wharf
rain jewel
Omega blue tentacles should deal extra damage to scal if you know what I mean
rain jewel
Ok I really wont make more of these jokes
swift wharf
omega blue tentacles need some zany 2022 shader effects tho
swift wharf
im sure someone can code that
rain jewel
Its the last time leon I promise
frail mantle
stop being horny in a server with minors in it you cockwaddle
the first time you did it should have been the last time
rain jewel
Cockwaddle. When a person is walks like a penguin that is antoxicated
frosty trellis
There shouldn't have been a first time regardless tbh
rain jewel
Hmm
frail mantle
There shouldn't have been a first time regardless tbh
there shouldn't have been
but there was
now stop doing it before i nuke your talking perms again
rain jewel
Wait it was you, it thought it as add
frail mantle
it wasn't
but i have no qualms about muting you for a week if you keep going with the horny comments
rain jewel
I thought we were friend leon 😭
frail mantle
too bad
tidal plaza
Justice is blind
rain jewel
Ok the person above me is a thigh cultist, and thats fine?
frail mantle
not as bad as what you've been saying
tidal plaza
You can't discriminate against people based on religion, common law
glass arch
Justice is blind
leon, however, is not
frail mantle
but still not the greatest username yes
frosty trellis
not as bad as what you've been saying
By a long shot
tidal plaza
Common law for me, common L for horni near children
frosty trellis
But yeah the username isn't ideal
fervent orbit
u just ask a mod
tidal plaza
O
fervent orbit
like if u pinged leon
rain jewel
Not fair, I used to be a prude, but my friend filled my head with so much horny that I got contaminated
frail mantle
i do not give a shit
tidal plaza
That was a choice, your will is weak
frail mantle
now shut up
frail mantle
u just ask a mod
also yes if you want a nickname just ask
rain jewel
Anyway, does the balance suggestion include accs?
frosty trellis
Yes
rain jewel
Because I tested regenator and its garbage
tidal plaza
also yes if you want a nickname just ask
Can you just change it to "Zonda"
frail mantle
i can
rain jewel
Like, regenator is never good
tidal plaza
Thank, big man
glass arch
i used it once when i nohit and needed extra regen to overtake everclear
humble mural
honestly it would be cool if gold slayer slugs went through walls
frosty trellis
Because I tested regenator and its garbage
It's getting a mini-rework in #changelogs to make it have some sort of niche
glass arch
i used it once when i nohit and needed extra regen to overtake everclear
otherwise its kinda stinkypoopoohead
frosty trellis
honestly it would be cool if gold slayer slugs went through walls
THAT WOULD BE GREAT
Vanquisher Arrows do, why don't slugs
Especially considering people build walls for a Yharon arena or just SCal
humble mural
is it ok if i post it in #suggestions-posting ?
rain jewel
The regenator change sounds like a nerf
glass arch
do the bullets get powered up after hitting solid blocks
humble mural
no
frosty trellis
The regenator change sounds like a nerf
It's not
It gives it a niche
With stuff like Yharims Insignia and Necklace of Vexation
And you keep the max HP so you get the Regen
Just can't exceed 50%
frosty trellis
Yep
Gives it a niche
Most won't use it but niches are fine so long as they're there and usable
rain jewel
Still meh
Speaking of that, old duke scales, are garbo
Doesnt even work fully with new regenator
Since it gets the most at 25%
People always discuss weapon balance but many accs are in need of a buff/rework
drowsy plank
im pretty sure its known that duke scales are bad
drowsy plank
in other news the sky is blue
frosty trellis
People always discuss weapon balance but many accs are in need of a buff/rework
I created an entire doc on overpowered accessories for Ozzatron
Then xpc made a doc for underpowered ones
So yeah we know
frosty trellis
Yeah
I have a habit of breaking cal in 17
10 second Exos kill with on tier gear :)
glass arch
instakill with demonshade and minmaxing :)
frosty trellis
Traitorous dealing upwards of 85% in one hit to Mr.Jared with min-maxing
rain jewel
If they buff hote I might continue my infernum weaponless playthrough
Because the sand one doesnt even deal damage
drowsy plank
reminds me i need to remove it from class setups lmao
frosty trellis
HotE needs an overhaul
drowsy plank
did any of the hote buff suggs pass
frosty trellis
AH FAK I FORGOR TO REMIND YOU
glass arch
i dont think so
drowsy plank
sadge
frosty trellis
There's been one that I can find that was decided to be a good idea
But not on the to-do list
rain jewel
Sand deals no damage.
Cloud is too slow and doesnt attack inside blocks.
Brimstone has bad aim and doesnt attack inside blocks.
Anahita is decent damage ig and good aim.
Well none of them work inside blocks
frosty trellis
Exoblade residue doesn't either and it bothers the shit outta me
rain jewel
In fact they were never good, back then I used it for the community like buffs and the healer elemental
Which also healed 10 more and it was homing
drowsy plank
pretty much
drowsy plank
wdym "was"
rain jewel
Btw does ambergris work during rain?
rain jewel
wdym "was"
Its the past form of is
drowsy plank
...preBoss
rain jewel
But its pretty useless lol
drowsy plank
ur talking about like hardmode stuff
no it isnt i can use it on king slime and eye of cthulhu and it's pretty fucking dumb at this section of the game lmao
rain jewel
Yeah but you can also get demon scythe for them or fiery greatsword
And they are supposed to be post skeletron tier
Or post eow
And you need 100 fishing power I think, so you need to kill ds which is post king slime
frosty trellis
You can get 100+ fishing power pre boss
Just takes a bit of grinding
Fiberglass + master bait is 83% fishing power, fish up alluring bait in the sulf seas and that's 113
Oh wait no you can't fish alluring
Yet.
humble mural
posted the GSS idea 👍
frosty trellis
Yes!
glass arch
also not counting weather power boosts
rain jewel
With much less effort I can get molten armor and flamarang lol
frosty trellis
I mean
It's not as easy if you don't use qol shit
With Fargo's Mutant you can just fish a reaver shark, make an instavator and get hellstone sure
Also Abyssal Amulet is fine
It's a secondary source of damage, not the meltfesh it used to be
You could just get both hellstone gear and Abyssal Amulet pre boss and there
small timber
The higher defense of bosses sufficiently kept it in check most of the time
It is only good for like king slime, DS (LMAO), eye, crabulon and I think thats about it?
frosty trellis
Skeletron hands
small timber
Ok on eater if you have piercing weapon and helps with brain I guess
frosty trellis
It's good for skele hands
small timber
QB and Skeletron hands straight up dont take damage last time I try it
small timber
You might accidently used the HM 90 damage version
small timber
Skeletron hand and QB have such high defense that abyssal amulet deal little to no damage iirc (because of its unique mechsnic of being countered by defense)
frosty trellis
Fair
small timber
On WoF it is an ok damage boost but yeah mobility is probably better
frosty trellis
I knew it would suck on QB bc more defense as it loses HP mechanic
glass arch
hote sugg is a yes to me
rain jewel
I doubt the suggestion will pass since it requieres a bit of work for a rework
drowsy plank
i mean every suggestion does
frankly this seems way more likely than my emblem upgrade suggs because HotE is like one of the most known calamity accessories and its just been dogshit for the past few updates
inner anvil
I've been on the summoner AI grind recently, I'll get to the Heart of the Elements eventually.
rain jewel
So you code?
rain jewel
Where did you learn that
inner anvil
Looking at Calamity's code.
hollow shell
Rare Sand's projs don't home in with Heartreach anymore?
rain jewel
Looking at Calamity's code.
So you looked at the code and somehow adquired coding powers
inner anvil
I'm still a beginner, but I can do some stuff.
rain jewel
Im just curious because I see people being like 14 and already coding games like wtf
inner anvil
Gaming.
hollow shell
Is the wiki outdated?
afaik Rare Sand has never had passive homing, it's always been with Heartreach
hollow shell
How long ago?
rain jewel
Pre dust and rust and when murasama dealt like 20k damage
hollow shell
Okay, I'll look into that when I have the chance but I do not think it is correct
rotund tree
it lost its homing at the same time the healing amount was nerfed, yeah
it also didn't have that rising phase before homing towards the player, it just moved towards you the moment it spawned
rain jewel
Yes ^
hollow shell
Alright, I stand corrected and I see where the confusion came from:
Aug 2018: Rare Sand is reworked to shoot healing projectiles instead of damaging tornadoes. The healing projectiles do not home under any circumstance.
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Rare_Elemental_in_a_Bottle&diff=next&oldid=7997
Jan 2020: The healing projectiles are now able to home while using Heartreach, but do not home by default.
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Rare_Elemental_in_a_Bottle&type=revision&diff=8035&oldid=8034
July 2020: The healing projectiles now always home by default, with Heartreach just making the homing stronger.
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Rare_Elemental_in_a_Bottle&diff=prev&oldid=8049
Nov 2021: The previous change is reverted, the healing projectiles now do not home be default and are only able to home while using Heartreach again.
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Rare_Elemental_in_a_Bottle&diff=next&oldid=8069
Rust and Dust came out August 1st 2020 https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/1.4.5.001
So yeah that checks out
They did have homing by default for over a year but I can see why I thought they never did cuz it was not like that on first implementation and the default homing was reverted
rain jewel
Yeah im always right. Except for all the times I was wrong
hollow shell
frosty trellis
LOL
But yeah, HotE could use a revamp in general
I prefer to see them as more supportive than damage dealers
The whole "Everything needs to do damage" nohitter mentality of the accessory
Since buff it too hard and then it becomes way to broken, but don't buff it enough for damage and then it's just worse than your normal accessories
And it's extremely hard to strike that balance
hollow shell
byeah I feel like it would be less headache inducing balance-wise if none or few of them dealt damage
Cuz then you don't need to worry about how much damage an accessory minion needs to be doing; should it be less than a weapon cuz it's passive and can stack with weapon DPS, or should it be more than a weapon cuz it uses up one of your acc slots?
yeah exactly
If they had non-damage effects, there doesn't need to be a weapon comparison competition
Rare Sand is the best HotE elemental by far, game-design-wise
frosty trellis
Mhm
Rare Sand is the only useful HotE elemental and the best designwise
Give them supportive roles so you don't have opportunity loss when you look for your accessories
crude geode
Isn’t rare elemental still weird because it shares it’s slot with the normal sand elemental
swift wharf
not really a hote problem it's more of a elementals problem but it's pretty much the same thin
crude geode
Just delete normal one and remove it’s ‘rare’ affix
hollow shell
wdym "slot"
crude geode
Not really slot it just kinda.
Not slot at all it is just weird that there’s two sand Eles
hollow shell
The fact that there are two sand elementals for no reason other than tradition?
yeah
crude geode
Yes
hollow shell
Spoopyro's influence reaches us to this day albeit very slightly
novel belfry
who is Spoopyro?
hollow shell
Old dev, was into Sand Elemental, probably the reason why Rare Sand exists
swift wharf
ah.
bright crag
Give them supportive roles so you don't have opportunity loss when you look for ...
Yes, Rare Sandy is the best
Kinda miss the homing
I'm just concerned, tho
How do we give all Elementals supportive roles?
In an unique way
tardy geyser
Water elemental* could give frost shield effect ig, like aquatic heart
frozen hornet
Cloud could buff movement speed or something
hollow shell
Maybe Brim could inflict a strong DoT with her attacks while only dealing minor or no direct damage
hollow shell
hm
frosty trellis
Anahita giving the player permanent wet buff sounds absolutely not okay
hollow shell
What if it had half uptime and was on a cycle, like she periodically drops a watery droplet on you
cobalt pewter
Fishron mount can proc its boost in water and during rain
by that logic all water effects should apply during rain
🤓
errant bobcat
Anahita giving the player permanent wet buff sounds absolutely not okay
Negatating almost all fire effects while only downside is vulnerability to electric
frosty trellis
Negatating almost all fire effects while only downside is vulnerability to elect...
All the water related accessories and fathom Swarmer armor going from borderline useless without cheat sheet to beyond broken
frosty trellis
What if it had half uptime and was on a cycle, like she periodically drops a wat...
Time to perfectly time the defensive buffs I get from it so I can facetank more shit-
hollow shell
Good
Now she's actually useful
Now you can spec builds around it and make intelligent decisions
frosty trellis
Probably would need to nerf some water related effects but considering it's on a timer actually it would probably be fine if you spec'd into it as a niche
That accessory that has a dash longer than void sash will finally be useful!!!!
Actually on a timer makes it way more interesting and allows more build varieties
Without being broken
Yeah I'm liking this more and more
hollow shell
nice
frozen hornet
Levi ambergris becomes god
hollow shell
It's because being submerged is such a hassle to legitimately utilize as an effect in most meaningful conditions
that all our current submerge effects are not reasonably balanced
frosty trellis
Yeah
frosty trellis
Me being able to facetank bh4 But I'm already god 
cobalt pewter
is there any essential combination accs that gives gills / flipper effects
I know the diving gear line does but they're not essential
frosty trellis
Nothing essential that I can think of
hollow shell
Aquatic Heart exists, not a combo acc but it has a lotta effects anyway
distant gyro
define essential
cobalt pewter
wouldn't it be funny if the water effect from Anahita also assumed you're underwater 
hollow shell
What like, being able to swim in the air?
frosty trellis
INTERESTING
cobalt pewter
if you have flipper stuff, ye
hollow shell
That is an idea that I've had before for potential usage but I never got the opportunity to propose it for anything
frosty trellis
Being able to flipper swim in the air with that
That would actually be rly cool
Screw wings
Screw tracers
frosty trellis
Let me be submerged in air
distant gyro
air bowl
cobalt pewter
orb
cobalt pewter
pretty close yeah
frozen hornet
cover yourself in oil
cobalt pewter
C shell + Anahita meta
frosty trellis
That's necessary for melee and becoming invincible against Providence
cobalt pewter
byeah as funny as it'd be gills and flipper buffs are non-consequential, esp when 1.4.4 rolls around
novel belfry
Fun fact: before 1.4, Fish Bowl + Neptune would result in the player drowning on land, but being able to breathe underwater instead
Which… honestly should be it’s own mod
cobalt pewter
I mean that was Gills buff before it got changed
like the very first iteration of Gills buff was exactly that
free breathing underwater but you have breath meter on land
hollow shell
Yeah I remember its tooltip did/does say "Breathe water INSTEAD of air"
hollow shell
funny
crude geode
vanilla try to update old content moment
hollow shell
At least they fixed this (after a while)
I think Calamity went in and fixed this one for a while too
(still no debuff icon even though it'd be the easiest thing in the world to do)
robust lava
Once they got that bug report forum thread up they were pretty good at fixing typos
As long as they got reported of course
serene tendon
if you have flipper stuff, ye <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
That sounds really cool.
hollow shell
@wide sand 
hollow shell
I can't say I'm optimistic about its chances in dev
drowsy plank
understandable lmao
i really hope it does pass they dont need to listen to what im saying but the fact one of the most iconic accessories in the mod is now dogshit is just
really sad
i dont care how they do it just pls give it some love
inner anvil
Sure. I'll do it eventually, but I don't guarantee it, I can try.
grave zincBOT
@hardy laurel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Add and item to turn off Profaned Enemy spawns so the vanilla biome enemies will spawn.]
It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
small timber
tbh I dislike spawn blocker much more than turning them into a miniboss to justify decreasing their spawn rate or something like that
spawn blocker for a specific class of enemies just feels incredibly bandaid considering all other spawn blockers have solid reason to be blocked (eg: prevent random boss fights)
hollow shell
I don't necessarily agree but they are indeed pretty game-y and band-aid-y
I still think there'd be ways to make it feel natural, depending on how it's executed
oblique crow
Calamity Zenith type thing. A end game weapon for each class that takes key weapons for the class theoughout progression into a mega weapon.
small timber
there used to be many "zenith type weapon", but they are slowly getting removed
and I dont see them adding them back considering they are trying to simplify weapon recipes
the closest you will get is the "exo weapons" and thats it
swift wharf
oblique crow
Another possible thing for Quality of life is a arena builder? I have some ideas but am not sure how it would work. Clearing space fore Ceaseless void and stuff is a pain.
frozen hornet
There'll be a pre-made CV arena for next update
frail mantle
CV/Polter
ruby plover
Honestly
There’s only so much you can do before it’s no longer QoL, and it’s just the 2024 copypasta
You still need to play the game apart from bosses
And it also do be a sandbox
That being said, I enjoy the concept of pre-made arenas, such as the dungeon one, and the infernum providence/guardians ones
distant gyro
2024 is only a year away
ruby plover
Just, huge arena building tools should stay in lui and fargos
distant gyro
thanks for the kind words <3
ruby plover
Any time
ruby plover
Arena tools aren’t something that should be in a big content mod like calamity, in my opinion, anyway
distant gyro
go build everywhere else but also
small timber
we need railroad in the sky to allow for easier early game exploration (because it is tedious before you get accessories which is bad for the economy of the game), starter bag containing 100 of each pre-hardmode bars since people are gonna get ore stuffs anyway just 2 hours later so why not give it to them straight away, not like ores are hard to mine; naturally generated jungle arena, king slime summon should also be in starter bag and on kill guaranteed to drop astral arcanum a reworked accessory that allow you to teleport to various important location of the map because I think spending time to travel across a gigantic map is just a waste of hours when player eventually have to find them to progress anyway so why waste the player's time, and also shrine finders since shrine item are mandatory for players' power so why stop them from obtaining it by gating it behind pure rng, I just think it is bad design
ruby plover
Also, people sleep on mortar rounds for some reason
I think they just forget they exist
small timber
oh ya luiafk like arena building tool is a great addition too why calamity dont have it
flat night
I feel like enough qol just makes the game sandbox outside of boss fights
distant gyro
if you're trying to speed through the game anyway might as well learn how to do it with as little arena prep as possible
speedrunner style
ruby plover
Destroyer is unironically easier without an arena
The bumps in the terrain shrimply stop his lasers
small timber
to be honest jokes aside beside astral arcanum I wish amalgam's double potion duration and persist through death effect are available earlier
both are so late into the progression that by the time you get them they are utterly useless
cobalt pewter
we need railroad in the sky to allow for easier early game exploration (because ...
glad I made a folder just for this image
small timber
astral arcanum is because chances are if you think travelling is tedious you already build teleporters, and amalgam is because at post-DoG potions are propbably your least of concerns (devourer of cods and incoming complicated potions removal)
ruby plover
Yeah, amalgam is mostly a case of too little too late
stable kiln
amalgam is based yall are capping
small timber
amalgam by itself is not bad (like at all)
just the double potion duration kinda feels slapped on, if you know what I mean
like they just went "hmm what random effect can we give to this accessory so that it don't feel like amalgamated brain with +5% damage" and they slap that effect on it (after amalgam have 90% of its literal random effects removed)
swift wharf
not really the problem is that the effect is kinda not useful by then
mayb something could give that effect earlier
small timber
the question is why does the amalgam, a nearly pure damage accessory (of a literal emblem + dodge effect and a mostly irrelevant onhit effect), have a buff potion related effect just be like, there, randomly
instead of on like core of the blood god which have everything to do with defensive, potion and utility
or even rampart at that (yes I know rampart is already overstacked on effect, but you get the point I am trying to make)
swift wharf
yeah thats fair
maybe the effect was there before the other effects got removed
but im' not sure
nope
got the new effect and lost the others in 1.5
i stand corrected
so yeah that is quirky and I stand corrected
but that was before the dodge (and crit chance effect) was added
small timber
which was even worse since it was basically an emblem with this effect without really any basis for where the effect come from, just like if reaper tooth necklace just have an effect that says "ironskin potion and endurance potion provide double effectiveness"
the dodge effect at least add some sense of utility to the accessory, but yeah I just don't feel it fit at all tbh
small timber
I tried to suggest to move it to core of the blood god instead (it just fit) but people didn't like the idea so
(since it looks like an effect of something ravager will drop as an accessory)
ravager is just a center place for dropping random accessory with quirky effect
hollow shell
A good suggestion in posting
swift wharf
i think cotbg has enough effects
and it's more healing potion themed than buff potion themed
small timber
to be honest
it sounded like a lot but core of the blood god only has 3 effect, and 1 of them is just stat
hardy laurel
tbh I dislike spawn blocker much more than turning them into a miniboss to justi...
just decreasing the spawn rates would not work because of the already low spawn rates of unicorns and red devils
my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
small timber
just decreasing the spawn rates would not work because of the already low spawn ...
what I was talking about was reworking them into basically "miniboss" or "rare enemy" (eg: like ice golem), which will definitely make it work since only 1 can spawn at a time, not just decrease spawn rate
because even if an enemy is rare as soon as you use zerg potion they will swarm you like mad, the only problem was that profaned enemy spawn too frequently which are also hard to kill; unicorn being rare do not really matter
swift wharf
are red devils useful in post ml
small timber
they drop 1 weapon that eventually is used to upgrade into helium flash
novel belfry
it sounded like a lot but core of the blood god only has 3 effect, and 1 of them...
Even worse, blood pact’ effects are significantly nerfed in… it’s upgrade?
Sure, there’s the critical hit part that’s gone, but blood pact has a very nice counter point to that by buffing the player
Which isn’t present in core of the blood god
small timber
blood pact not being inherited is both an upgrade or downgrade
because blood pact on normal build is completely unusable bad, you have to specifically build around it (which is not the point of core of the blood god as it is supposed to be a good generic defensive/recovery accessory)
novel belfry
but 15% max HP is a significantly massive downsize from 200%
glass arch
yeah and it also doesnt have the 25% chance to deal 2.25x damage to you
novel belfry
i mean but still
glass arch
+15% max hp is really all you need
doubling your max HP would be pretty stupid
imagine if it were +50%, youd have upwards of 1500 HP
novel belfry
900
frosty trellis
+15% max hp is really all you need
I can personally attest to this
You don't need Cotbg giving double HP
drowsy plank
isnt this already addressed in the changelogs or something
oh well it did get addressed a little by changing its generation order
point is i think it is quite well know the sunken sea is scuffed but im pretty sure they're saving fixing the generation for when the rework drops (which im pretty sure is still happening just... different? right?)
glass arch
yeah a rework is still happening
drowsy plank
ok yeah then it'll just be addressed then lol
sick musk
ah yeah I just checked and I only saw the thing about boulders
small timber
but 15% max HP is a significantly massive downsize from 200%
Abit late but blood pact basically make it harder to recover your HP once you get damaged (unless you hold your healing potion to get critted everytime)
It also do not really "doubles", it now give 500-600 max HP only since HP bonus is additive now
Mathwise blood pact still give you +50% max HP despite the crit, but effectively it just means when below half hp have 25% chance to just die if you are critted; and also any build that dont have high DR just cant use blood pact (assuming it is core of the blood god) because you will just die
prime quest
There won't be astral torches?
grave zincBOT
@orchid cairn - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make the laboratory furniture functional for NPC housing.]
It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
distant gyro
originally approved but has to be rejectted due to possible oversights
(this will make some labs actually suitable for housing)
drowsy plank
sad!
cobalt pewter
god
drowsy plank
just gotta add new furniture ig?
glass arch
that would be pretty funny tho
"Walter the Merchant has arrived!"
ok cool where is he
checks map
WHY IS HE IN HELL
distant gyro
also every dome lab is suitable for housing so npcs will just
show up in the most random locations of the map possible
cobalt pewter
just remove any lighting
but yeah it'd be funny
but honestly I don't see why they can't just relocate the NPCs
just make a new house and assign them there
cobalt pewter
NPCs can still be seen in minimap beyond spots you explored right?
distant gyro
yes
swift wharf
so the furniture works, but the labs dont count as a valid home
why not just do this
orchid cairn
thats harder to implement than you think probably
orchid cairn
theyd have to make the walls of them be like. wild walls or whatever
and then you couldnt harvest them
swift wharf
just remove some walls idk
distant gyro
that was discussed
break a wall off the dome lab so it's broken
but that's aa
a bit backwards
tardy geyser
That wouldnt work anyway, houses can have several walls missing and still work, as long as there arnt 4 missing in a row
distant gyro
it's not like lab furniture look anywhere close to real furniture anyway
so making it real is kinda weird?
tardy geyser
A separate type of wall that only naturally generates like what dirt and stone have would work though
swift wharf
That wouldnt work anyway, houses can have several walls missing and still work, ...
they're abandoned labs, they should have missing walls 
dirt and stone walls are unsafe iirc
tardy geyser
Ye
orchid cairn
honestly adding more furniture to it that is actual tables/chairs is better anyway imo
iirc i mentioned that in the actual post
swift wharf
yae
orchid cairn
i did not mention it apparently
half imp
show up in the most random locations of the map possible
that sounds kinda funny
but what if
you made the natural tiles be a seperate one than the placed ones
when you place them they work as furniture
cobalt pewter
unsafe lab walls
small timber
what if labs use "wall that that can up the room" instead of actual light sources
cobalt pewter
hmm
small timber
since if there is no light sources I think npc can't spawn in it?
half imp
mostly bc it'd be less annoying to break and replace furniture than walls
cobalt pewter
I don't think such have ever been done before
half imp
but it could be done
cobalt pewter
usually Terraria separates viable housing from otherwise with walls
half imp
not terribly hard either
alternatively yeah just give them a light source that doesn't work for a house
rain jewel
Yoo they buffed ironskin, eat that haters
glass arch
yeah we know
glass arch
mpg had an aneurism when sugg bot said it was implemented
drowsy plank
i cant wait for it to immediately be nerfed lul
small timber
it probably wouldn't
drowsy plank
fair no one uses defensive options anyway
small timber
because yharim stim and titan scale removal means lossing 15 defense, but you get 12 back from ironskin, so it is still a nerf
and looking at it right now they probably are more willing to nerf warding than defenses from other sources
rain jewel
Do we know how much is the buff
small timber
(at least according to when last time it was talked about, unless something changed in the meantime)
tldr because yharim stimulant provide 10 defense for some reason, you are on a net-loss all the way to Post-Moon Lord, and only get +2 more on post-DoG, and that is assuming you just dont use titan scale
so yes, it is still a nerf, and rightfully deserved
rain jewel
So... -15 damage on endgame instead of -6...
rain jewel
Yeah taking 9 less damage per hit wont break the game lol
errant bobcat
But making rouge actually be a rouge instead of melee v2 will
Post ml stealth pretty much just stops existing when it comes to most loadouts
And spam rouge starts to get better DPS
cobalt pewter
what
small timber
my complain is that mobile stealth gen at post-ML literally regen too fast that the concept of stealth just become non-existent by becoming just an "attack cooldown"
so no, that is definitely not how it works
cobalt pewter
with the base stealth gen changes they already wanted to shift stealth from a nuke button to a heavy attack
but yes ozz did say they'll try to get rid of most stealth gen bonuses iirc
including a rework to silent
errant bobcat
Ah ic ic
cobalt pewter
wait lemme see if what I remembered was correct
also I wanted to sugg this earlier but I forgot I already made it
and it didn't get anywhere
I'd be better off talking to shade or ozz directly for this
distant gyro
Rogue has super long term plans that is delayed indefinitely
but stealth is not stealth and nuke button is not supposed to be the only way to use it
cobalt pewter
stealth being used as a combination of heavy attack and utility stuffs could be fun
which is why that suggestion above is focused on making those accs use stealth exactly like rogue weapons
but alas no one cares
small timber
@rain jewel the suggestion probably need to be clearer for what it wants, currently it doesnt make much sense
you cant get celestial sigil because it requires lunar fragment, and even if you get fragment from deus you need ancient manipulator from cultist to craft it
rain jewel
Ik
errant bobcat
It would be cool to have some more utility stealth stuff, like being able to have a parry or dodge
glass arch
you can kill lc without killing golem
cobalt pewter
It would be cool to have some more utility stealth stuff, like being able to hav...
parry doesn't seem to be rogue's thing imo
small timber
probably yeah
glass arch
yeah parry is something for a few melee weapons
cobalt pewter
and existing rogue-specific dodge stuff give stealth instead of using em
when they're procced
small timber
I didnt thought of it since plantera/calclone -> eidolist -> cultist is so uncommon
since golem is practically free at that point
glass arch
could just do eidolist -> cultist too
small timber
eidolist spawn in HM? I thought it is always post calclone upgraded abyss for some reason
glass arch
yeah
cobalt pewter
since they're planning to kill stealth gen boosts they might be looking at more utility functions for stealth
glass arch
they just drop ecto post plant
rain jewel
Better now?
small timber
yeah
errant bobcat
And I assume you are getting celestial sigil from Deus drops?
rain jewel
I skipped Golem in 2 occasions, Low% and ftw master death while shroomed, being forced to wear bloodpact, renegator and DSA at all times
glass arch
And I assume you are getting celestial sigil from Deus drops?
dont even have to
rain jewel
And I assume you are getting celestial sigil from Deus drops?
Just pillars
austere cargo
celestial sigil needs ancient manipulator
glass arch
yeah
errant bobcat
Ah ic ic
austere cargo
as do astral bars for some reason
glass arch
as the sugg says you can kill cultist pre golem with the use of eidolon tablet
austere cargo
why do astral bars use ancient manipulator?
cobalt pewter
I think a first step to making stealth more utility oriented after stealth gen boosts are killed is to make accs like Plagued Fuel Pack, Blunder Booster and Spectral Veil consume stealth like weapons do
glass arch
because haha fuck you
cobalt pewter
currently they just use 25% stealth
errant bobcat
Just make them use draedons forge
austere cargo
replace stealth regen buff with stealth cost reduction buff?
rain jewel
Celestial sigil cant even be used post moon lord lol
austere cargo
it can't?
rain jewel
No without killing golem
cobalt pewter
replace stealth regen buff with stealth cost reduction buff?
ehhhhhh no
austere cargo
oh I see
errant bobcat
Oh…
cobalt pewter
it's already an unfun mechanic as is
errant bobcat
Also already granted by a line of accessories
crude geode
Are we discussing progression breaking or stealth’s 15th rework
errant bobcat
Both
austere cargo
both, it seems
cobalt pewter
I think starting from Dark God memes the aspect is not really fun
with previous accs in the line the stealth strike reduction is a neat bonus to slight efficiency
austere cargo
you think stealth itself is unfun?
cobalt pewter
but the moment you got dark god memes you suddenly have access to 2 stealth strikes at a time instead of 1 for whatever reason
cobalt pewter
you think stealth itself is unfun?
if that's true I wouldn't be here
I would've fucked off all the calamity circles
crude geode
Caring too much is always the problem
cobalt pewter
I was referring specifically to the stealth cost reduction effect
austere cargo
I mean, it's possible to enjoy calamity while feeling the implementation of a mechanic is unfun
cobalt pewter
in fact I'm otherwise
errant bobcat
Stealth is just very unbalanced at this point in the game, I realize they are trying to fix it but still
cobalt pewter
the reason I'm still giving a fuck about cal in the first place is because of rogue
swift wharf
people want to fix things that they like
cobalt pewter
Caring too much is always the problem <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
snenejdjdjd
austere cargo
also the flavor of stealth is kind of terrible
cobalt pewter
true
crude geode
also the flavor of stealth is kind of terrible
Known, but also good luck changing it
glass arch
stealth is in a weird spot
cobalt pewter
also the flavor of stealth is kind of terrible
that is an issue that might or might not be addressed
well it WAS addressed
but changed?
very unlikely
austere cargo
and encouraging standing still is just weird
austere cargo
which calamity boss are you not constantly moving against
errant bobcat
It would be cool if they added more unique stealth strikes rather than just “pierces and fires multiple”
glass arch
stealth wants you to stand in one spot but in a boss fight thats not really an option
cobalt pewter
the way you use the standing still aspect of stealth is to take possible moments of standing still and not doing that extensively
crude geode
more final dawn stealth strikes
Every rogue balancer in a 5 mile radius is instantly alerted when you say that
austere cargo
that's not really how "stealth" works though
cobalt pewter
since it's a boost on the charging rate and not a boolean you can sorta on and off on standing still on a whim
rain jewel
I dont see whats wrong with stealth
glass arch
I dont see whats wrong with stealth
encourages not moving in the middle of boss fights
austere cargo
right now I'm objecting to the name, rather than the mechanic
glass arch
thats my problem with it
cobalt pewter
stealth as a term has been addressed as an issue and it might or might not be changed due to the overall scope of the change
errant bobcat
Yes, either make stealth gen different, such as implementing a “cover” mechanic (I realize that this may be rather hard to code, raycasting would do wonders) or some sort of darkness or distraction mechanic
rain jewel
Maybe rogue should deal extra damage hitting certain spots
austere cargo
oh that sounds obnoxious
crude geode
What about the stupid ranged accessory
errant bobcat
Maybe rogue should deal extra damage hitting certain spots
Make rouge daawnlight
rain jewel
Since its about crits and precise strikes in rpgs I think
errant bobcat
Daawnlight spirit origin
glass arch
yeah thats just adding daawnlight to every weapon in the class
rain jewel
Yeah
cobalt pewter
rain jewel
Well doesnt have to be every weapon
errant bobcat
Which would be unfun except for hitting moon lord in the bals
glass arch
or hitting a sick 360 shot directly into dogs face
austere cargo
pretty sure a rename to focus would not disrupt things at all
errant bobcat
360 no scope dogs face yes
errant bobcat
pretty sure a rename to focus would not disrupt things at all
It wouldn’t be as cool tho
rain jewel
Theres no way to make rogue more roguish without making it op I think, you cant make it turn invisible and the bosses to stop on their tracks, or make it have lots of dodges
glass arch
pretty sure a rename to focus would not disrupt things at all
its been called stealth for this long, the backlash for it would be massive
austere cargo
they'd get over it
cobalt pewter
pretty sure a rename to focus would not disrupt things at all
it would, and especially considering the attention, patience and memory span of an average Calamity player
austere cargo
also it's not cool now, because it's not stealth in any meaningful way
glass arch
in the end yes its just a rebrand but its a lot cooler being called a stealth strike than it is being called a focus strike
small timber
the thing is they also have no meaningful reason to change it other than for flavour