Their base damage is unrivaled compared to other pre boss enemies, and the alt fire heal is also icing on the cake
#suggestions-discussion
novel belfry
jagged jewel
I think the fact they no clip through the wall is the big advantage
Hopefully that doesn't get fixed because I like when they kill shit off screen before I even get there 
I don't think any base game terraria minion really does that minus the shitty ghost and a couple other pleb tier ones
And combining it with the battery let's you see through walls 
frosty trellis
I mean the drones are fine the bug doesn't need to be fixed
There are a number of options already to help out early game summoner so I don't really see the point in not fixing the bug
If the drones are too weak, buff them, not just leave a bug in the game
jagged jewel
A wulfrum drone won't really be that useful for anything past eye of Cthulhu because it's base damage is like 20 or 30 lower than everyone else pre hardmode
But having two of them at once makes it semi useful because it stays on par with other shit like the eye and those little midget skeletons
frosty trellis
A wulfrum drone won't really be that useful for anything past eye of Cthulhu bec...
It's an early game summon
It doesn't need to be viable post EoC
There are a fair few other options you can get anyways
Deathstare rod is a great example you gave
And there are other stuff like Belladona Spirit Staff that are also amazing
I don't exactly see the problem
If you want a stronger weapon farm for a stronger weapon
That's literally just how Terraria is
The drones are for the early game to help out to get a stronger weapon or to beat an early game boss or two
jagged jewel
with those one easy trick your early game summon becomes viable mid game
jagged jewel
They could make it so the wulfrum butcher knife is just an armor bonus given by wulfrum armor since I think it's the only summoner armor that doesn't give you a free summon
Then the balance is restored 😩😩
frosty trellis
Yeah but 1.5.0.1 deathstare was the best weapon
Better than Hellborn?
frosty trellis
Zamn
frosty trellis
They could make it so the wulfrum butcher knife is just an armor bonus given by ...
What, no
It's balanced as is
frosty trellis
Wdym "Balanced Restored"
jagged jewel
It could deal millions of damage per hit in some cases
Jousting lance can do that but you need some sweaty setup
frosty trellis
That sounds like you're just trying to break things
jagged jewel
Lol no
frosty trellis
Jousting lance can do that but you need some sweaty setup
Lances have a cap
neat linden
Jousting lance can do that but you need some sweaty setup
With deathstare you needed to farm its damage
Due to a bug its damage increased over time
unreal orbit
@jagged jewel you joined the server yesterday you don't bold in your header and swearing is probably not a good way to get your suggestion accepted.
jagged jewel
giving the only pleb summoner armor the summoner feature every other summon armor in the game has would just make it normie
jagged jewel
<@335965535168757773> you joined the server yesterday you don't bold in your hea...
who tf are you
neat linden
has the mech
glass arch
<@335965535168757773> you joined the server yesterday you don't bold in your hea...
bolding the header isnt needed
neat linden
what else do you need
frosty trellis
Wulfrum Armor has the mech yeah
glass arch
if the suggestion is bad people wont vote for it
neat linden
Due to a bug its damage increased over time
I found it
frosty trellis
You have the mech
The drones are fairly powerful
And if you want a stronger weapon to kill a boss like Crabulon for puff shroom or get Belladona Spirit Staff from jungle shit
neat linden
jagged jewel
Mech suck ballssss
frosty trellis
No
neat linden
It has 10 AP at base too
frosty trellis
It's clear to me someone doesn't know how balancing works or just refuses to play the game to get better summons if the ones he finds are too weak bc oh idk, that's how Terraria works
jagged jewel
I swear the wulfurm mech gun is like a pea shooter compared to literally anything else you could use. The extra defence is nice but still useless if you have giant shell
frosty trellis
It has 10 AP at base too
Zamnn
neat linden
But if you want to make it a bit better against idk 20 defense enemies or so you can add a STN
frosty trellis
I swear the wulfurm mech gun is like a pea shooter compared to literally anythin...
It's anything but
It's pretty solid extra source of damage and defense to help out your summons
glass arch
you wouldnt use just that for damage lmao
frosty trellis
It shouldn't be used on it's own ever because it's an extra source of damage, not your main source
swift wharf
doesnt want devs to fix a bug
posts the bug in the wrong channel
makes the devs more aware of it
neat linden
so realistically it should have none
swift wharf
I love this community
jagged jewel
I can suggest they don't remove it from the game stoopid
neat linden
and the negative defense thing was fixed
frosty trellis
so realistically it should have none
2 points of AP = 1 damage
jagged jewel
I'm sure someone has posted it here before because anyone who has ever used wulfrum summons has probably found it
unreal orbit
I love this community
ya
frosty trellis
why did i get slightly better killtime with STN
10 AP = .5 damage per AP, so 5
KS has 10, so 5 left
STN gives effectively 2.5 extra damage
That's why
Armor pen is half the value it states, not the entire bit
neat linden
isn't that just how defense works
swift wharf
still is a bug
and bugs are a don't
unreal orbit
bro joined yesterday just to troll
jagged jewel
lots of games keep bugs if it doesn't make the game ass
frosty trellis
There isn't a reason for this bug to be kept
jagged jewel
bro joined yesterday just to troll
Ur 11 and can't vote + ratio
neat linden
there is one bug that calamity purposely didn't kill
frosty trellis
Literally non
neat linden
and it's only because it's hilarious
glass arch
lots of games keep bugs if it doesn't make the game ass
well good thing this isnt one of those games
neat linden
why would devs keep a bug that isn't hilarious
glass arch
true
unreal orbit
Ur 11 and can't vote + ratio
ratio 💀
frosty trellis
there is one bug that calamity purposely didn't kill
EXACTLY one bug
As it doesn't break balance in any regard
And is the funniest shit in the mod
glass arch
god that bug is so funny
jagged jewel
I mean I'm not even sure it's a bug it could just be something that happens with the wulfrum summon but I can't find anything saying it's supposed to do that lmao
frosty trellis
It's a bug
neat linden
EXACTLY one bug
As it doesn't break balance in any regard
And is the funniest sh...
Fr
glass arch
if it made the summon act like infernum crabulon on multiplayer then it would probably be kept because thats funny
frosty trellis
It breaks the balance of that summon and overtuned shit isn't a good thing
jagged jewel
+ it ruins summoner progression
No it doesn't lmao
swift wharf
fixing the wulfrum bug will ruin the summoner class 😭😭😭😭
frosty trellis
+ it ruins summoner progression
Belladona Spirit Staff in the corner
unreal orbit
Belladona Spirit Staff in the corner
👀
frosty trellis
Belladona is like viable for WoF if you have any form of armor pen
neat linden
how much def does WoF have
glass arch
12-18 defense
neat linden
sidenote with post plant gear i managed to kill plant with Belladonna
frosty trellis
Goes from mediocre at best to breaking everything
crude geode
@worthy lintel “don’t fix bug” sugg
neat linden
~~sidenote with post plant gear i managed to kill plant with Belladonna~~
debuffs probably helped a solid amount
and post plant gear on plant 
but it worked
frosty trellis
SSTN moment.
glass arch
clearly
glass arch
armor pen is funny tho
frosty trellis
RTN can vary a killtime from 2 seconds to 2 minutes
jagged jewel
delete the clothing from the nurse
frosty trellis
That's not even a joke
frosty trellis
RTN can vary a killtime from 2 seconds to 2 minutes
Literally, RTN over DSR and I killed Exos a full minute faster with Phoenix Flame Barrage
glass arch
how much does RTN vary aetherflux's killtime
jagged jewel
Arc'teryx on me
glass arch
wrong channel lmao
frosty trellis
how much does RTN vary aetherflux's killtime
I think like 30 seconds minimum
????
unreal orbit
??????????????????????????????????????????
frozen matrix
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
neat linden
https://youtu.be/bnJBBjT62gs
my point still stands, AP is fucked
unreal orbit
frosty trellis
I think like 30 seconds minimum
Which is hilarious because Aetherflux is actually balanced on Exos Mechs without Armor pen
crude geode
@cyan lagoon kill spam pls
glass arch
reading? cringe
glass arch
you posted the same link 3 times
frozen matrix
BOTH 2 MINS APART
neat linden
Why did you post it more than once
frozen matrix
NO I DID NOT
frosty trellis
Doesn't matter? Still not allowed to self plug anyways like that
drowsy plank
im just gonna go message modmail...
neat linden
Actually why did you post it in the first place
glass arch
and why did you post it here and #lore-discussion
frozen matrix
I DONT KNOW
neat linden
im just gonna go message modmail...
based;;;
frozen matrix
ffs
crude geode
and why did you post it here and <#568192082473386020>
Attention
frozen matrix
nope
unreal orbit
I DONT KNOW
you know who else has dementia
drowsy plank
can we stop engaging the troll and just wait for the mods to get here
frozen matrix
@crude geode look at your shitty profile, get a life, get a dad and then messege me back
drowsy plank
anyway the wulfrum drone sugg sucks because wulfrum drones are fine rn like do they know about the rover drive synergy
glass arch
you're the one overrreacting
crude geode
karmic stone
Move on
crude geode
Ty Add
frosty trellis
anyway the wulfrum drone sugg sucks because wulfrum drones are fine rn like do t...
True! Although Rover drive is broken regardless
drowsy plank
rover drive is based
jagged jewel
frosty trellis
Nohits a boss for 10 seconds
Gets a free 50 HP and 10 defense
"Perfectly Balanced"
jagged jewel
Tbf 50hp ain't shit past early game
frosty trellis
Tbf 50hp ain't shit past early game
I can personally attest to how wrong that statement is
frosty trellis
Rover Drive is like, viable on summoner until DoG iirc
drowsy plank
jesus christ
crude geode
Tbf 50hp ain't shit past early game
I love spreading misinformation on the internet
drowsy plank
jagged jewel
I couldn't see most people running the forcefield for long because of the ability to run literally anything else
frosty trellis
Depends on the stage of the game
I could easily see myself running it if I wanted more defense or HP for something
jagged jewel
It's nice when you have pleb armor but if you have okay ish armor it shouldn't be necessary ever
frosty trellis
And know I could easily nohit a phase for 10 seconds
Something like Duke Fishron comes to mind immediately
frosty trellis
It's nice when you have pleb armor but if you have okay ish armor it shouldn't b...
Necessary? No
But is it fucking amazing? Yes
crude geode
Where’s xpcqe with the funny image when you need him
glass arch
isnt that how much draedons heart heals
drowsy plank
im gonna be honest besides like, exactly royal gel and cross necklace upgrades there aren't a ton of decent tanking accessories until like post-plant
jagged jewel
If you could find a way to sweat some ridiculous life drain setup with the shield then hard maybe on it being Perma viable
I wish it was upgradable
Unless it is and I don't know about it
drowsy plank
isnt that how much draedons heart heals
nah draedon heals 360
frosty trellis
Where’s xpcqe with the funny image when you need him
glass arch
nah draedon heals 360
wow i lowballed it hard
crude geode
Ty lol
drowsy plank
wow i lowballed it hard
tbf im pretty sure it was significantly buffed
jagged jewel
I forgot the absorber exists
frosty trellis
Absorber is post cultists
frosty trellis
I don't even use Absorber
I just use Angel Treds
drowsy plank
not a ton of decent tanking accessories til like post-Plant so drive is totally viable
jagged jewel
What's the shit that comes after the absorber that makes you borderline indestructible lmao
frosty trellis
Also, if 50 HP means nothing then why does no armor give more than like, 20 until bloodflare
jagged jewel
Mf sponge
frosty trellis
What's the shit that comes after the absorber that makes you borderline indestru...
Sponge? And nah that's not the king of defensive accessories
drowsy plank
rampart of deities 
(the joke is it is not an upgrade to absorber)
frosty trellis
Rampart is far superior
jagged jewel
doesn't the sponge half negate dying plus has a force field
frosty trellis
It's obscene how broken it is
frosty trellis
doesn't the sponge half negate dying plus has a force field
Nope
drowsy plank
lmao
frosty trellis
What kinda Fargo's shit is that?.
drowsy plank
i know what it is
jagged jewel
the wiki said it revived the player upon dying but idk maybe the wiki is just scuffed as per usual lmao
drowsy plank
doesn't the sponge half negate dying plus has a force field
Fandom Wiki User Spotted 
frosty trellis
Ahhhhhh
crude geode
jagged jewel
that shit is straight trash
frosty trellis
Fandom is outdated and vandalized
jagged jewel
fandom wiki cringe
impossible challenge finding a fandom wiki page that isn't incorrect
drowsy plank
but yeah there is no revive effect on sponge
frosty trellis
Yeah
drowsy plank
it's just like
jagged jewel
I tried crafting some shit off there earlier and it gave me the wrong recipe like 3 times
drowsy plank
a dozen different weak effects
jagged jewel
kek
frosty trellis
Revive is Silva Armor, Nebulous Core and Permanent Concoction
Only two of which are actually any good
crude geode
a dozen different weak effects
God I love stat sticks 
drowsy plank
the best effects are like, everything from royal gelatin and the 20 defense
drowsy plank
God I love stat sticks <:taxevasion:611637175381000193>
true!!!!!
frosty trellis
the best effects are like, everything from royal gelatin and the 20 defense
Hence: Just use Angel Treds or a different defensive accessory
jagged jewel
Arc'teryx on me
jagged jewel
As they should be 😩😩
drowsy plank
wow i just noticed
jagged jewel
Cracked ass crafting recipe
frosty trellis
Why tracers when you can wings + angel Treds and dodge everything
glass arch
true
frosty trellis
And have far more flight time
jagged jewel
Make rover stackable
austere cargo
alternate angel treads line where it fuses with bundle of baloons
jagged jewel
drowsy plank
alternate angel treads line where it fuses with bundle of baloons
that's just fargo's boots...
frosty trellis
alternate angel treads line where it fuses with bundle of baloons
So, MOAB but it's not dogshit
drowsy plank
i wonder what we're even getting in terms of what we've had leaked at this point
you think the alt boot line is even being considered still
grim tusk
sponge is barely even an upgrade to absorber
We should return to 2020 Sponge.
Goofy ah accessory
stable kiln
revart the nerf to cotbg
jagged jewel
step 1 obtain super computer
Step 2 find a way to accelerate jousting lance to one billion damage
drowsy plank
We should return to 2020 Sponge.
Goofy ah accessory
goddamn thing used to have a whole fucking novel as its description
crude geode
What including all components’ effects does to a motherfucker
versed fox
The verboten one if the fandom writers didn’t have at least half a brain cell:
glass arch
isnt there something like hitting shift can make the tooltip go into further detail
drowsy plank
yeah but that was added after this thing got nerfed in The Flattening
grim tusk
step 1 obtain super computer
Step 2 find a way to accelerate jousting lance to ...
Step 3 find that there is a dmg cap
glass arch
step 4: depression
swift wharf
sponge no longer the best tank acc
jagged jewel
is the damage cap a new thing because ive seen vids of people dealing an autismo amount of damage with it uncapped. Unless you mean damage cap as in you cant run at 5 million mph
swift wharf
cal adds a cap
jagged jewel
oh cringe
red stormBOT
jagged jewel
should be uncapped and let me flex with my 2 million dps shit missile
frosty trellis
!wiki momentum capacitor
Oh I was just going to say Glorious End + Acropack yeet
swift wharf
that too
frosty trellis
JFL going at 3300mph with it
jagged jewel
i paid for the whole cpu ima use the whole cpu
frosty trellis
Compared to momentum capacitors measly 550mph
frosty trellis
wait it was 4 digits lmao
The original vid that Shay showed went upwards of 1700
Prior to the update dropping
Yeeting across half a large map and mere seconds
And it's fucking hilarious
jagged jewel
seems balanced lemme have my uncucked joust 
drowsy plank
nah
jagged jewel
I have determined I do not know what is causing the flying butcher knife as it just happened by itself without wulfrums
my confusion is immeasurable
drowsy plank
are you running other mods
jagged jewel
nope
drowsy plank
I have determined I do not know what is causing the flying butcher knife as it j...
wait... flying butcher knife that appears alongside wulfrum drones... do you have luxor's equipped?
grim tusk
is the damage cap a new thing because ive seen vids of people dealing an autismo...
Vanilla thing
grim tusk
cal adds a cap
Misinformation
grim tusk
Vanilla added it
jagged jewel
rip
jagged jewel
wait... flying butcher knife that appears alongside wulfrum drones... do you hav...
lmao does luxor give minion buffs
drowsy plank
lmao does luxor give minion buffs
luxor spawns a bonus minion whenever you use an item with summon damage. so. this might not even be a bug
jagged jewel
you know whats cringe is jelly battery not having a lighting effect
taking apart the best feature of pleb batteries
drowsy plank
you know whats cringe is jelly battery not having a lighting effect
it... does???
it literally inflict electrified
jagged jewel
it does not do what the battery does where the minions give off light
Which sucks big time
can't use squirrel strats to xray the walls lmao
glass arch
@ashen warren formatting and more reasoning
ashen warren
<@456226577798135808> formatting and more reasoning
Its literally in the game for hallowed bars
glass arch
the formatting should be something like
[reasoning goes here]```
small timber
they are planning to add cosmilite ore eventually
small timber
the current ore spawning system will become more flawed if you just make more things spawn
glass arch
yep
small timber
mainly because it is already clusttered as fuck, if you add more ore they have little place to spawn
ashen warren
Yeah but I needed to kill DoG literally 4 times during my rogue playthrough
umbral sonnet
honestly
glass arch
theres already a butt ton of ores and more just makes it worse
small timber
they are planning to make cosmilite ore to come from a subworld iirc, not sure if plan changed but yeah, they are planning or making cosmilite ore happen
umbral sonnet
just make DoG drop more ngl
small timber
Yeah but I needed to kill DoG literally 4 times during my rogue playthrough
in that case just suggest cosmilite bar drop amount to be higher
glass arch
yeah
small timber
if your main reason is because you dont get enough of them per kill
in my experience killing DoG multiple time is normal and reasonable, mainly because your 2nd kill become much easier with just a weapon and asgardian aegis, you can get armor later (aka 2nd kill and onwards)
ashen warren
yeah but you shouldnt need to kill the same boss multiple times, especially DoG
small timber
which is why if it is a problem to you, the more direct approach will be "just make DoG drop more cosmilite bar"
glass arch
yeah but you shouldnt need to kill the same boss multiple times, especially DoG
well i mean you already do for weapon drops
ashen warren
Yeah but ore spawning would be more interesting
glass arch
no it really wouldnt
drowsy plank
it'll happen when they add the subworld, if they are still doing that
small timber
mainly because it is already clusttered as fuck, if you add more ore they have l...
the reason why I dont think ore spawning is good is explained above ^
drowsy plank
otherwise, xpc is right, it'd be too cluttered
glass arch
it would just be another ore and theres already a ton of others so its not unique either
small timber
and yes, they are planning to make a subworld for cosmilite ore, thus for now just make DoG drop more bar
ashen warren
mainly because it is already clusttered as fuck, if you add more ore they have l...
Just make it spawn in planetoids or make it spawn like a meteor
grim tusk
@ashen warren eventually™️
drowsy plank
lol
grim tusk
and yes, they are planning to make a subworld for cosmilite ore, thus for now ju...
Yea thankfully that aint scrapped
small timber
Just make it spawn in planetoids or make it spawn like a meteor
then yeah, that is a much more (ok) idea than spawning like hallowed ore
at least as a temporary solution before subworld get added soon™️
grim tusk
Distortion will be real eventually™️
small timber
(though tbh the luminite planetoid spawn is a bit scuffed, not sure if it is fixed)
since previously it can only spawn in the space level of the centre of your world, and if you have something blocking there (eg: your main space planetoid even) it just dont spawn
serene tendon
Just make it spawn in planetoids or make it spawn like a meteor
Just make DoG drop 80 bars instead of 20
The amount you get is super scuffed anyway
for something of that size
ashen warren
Just make DoG drop 80 bars instead of 20
Thats not a bad idea but that feels kinda boring
serene tendon
Thats not a bad idea but that feels kinda boring
It's simple and intuitive. When the distortion is added you'll likely be able to mine cosmilite there, but that's fairly far in the future
cobalt pewter
when the devplans.png
frosty trellis
since previously it can only spawn in the space level of the centre of your worl...
Main space planetoid doesn't block it
A skybridge will though
small timber
Main space planetoid doesn't block it
A skybridge will though
last time I tested it it the main space planetoid actually can block it
that time I opened 10 (or 20?) new worlds and kill moon lord in it, sometimes experiencing blocking different part of the world with random blocks; and some are left completely untouched
for the completely untouched one sometimes luminite planetoid can just not spawn, assuming is because main space planetoid + the surrounding planetoid spawn too close to each other;
but ya not sure if this is fixed already since it was passed as a suggestion
crude geode
@hollow shell config sugg, also 0 reasoning
hollow shell
@ashen warren We will not add a config for something so specific to a singular item. It's best just to ask the weapon to be changed outright (and explain why), and we'll ping the donor for their approval.
frosty trellis
@hidden shadow Specific Item Suggestions are a don't
small timber
sounds like paladin hammer but +1 extra step for pressing extra button for it to return
cedar garnet
Sounds like Violence from SCal
keen zodiac
me when SIS
crude geode
inb4 someone actually brings this up as a problem
crude geode
Yeah it really just. adds to the problem
small timber
tldr is it is "not allowed" for suggestion but the devs are freely to implement it
how do you fix things like increase player base speed without just use a config to disable it, or equivalent an item that disable it (which at that point is just same as config)
drowsy plank
@hearty swift im pretty sure better multiplayer or nycro's nohit already have options for this, this doesn't seem like a cal kind of thing anyway, plus
configs
why not just
take the plat coins out of your inventory
glass arch
or only put plat coins in
drowsy plank
true
hollow shell
You need to add a reason why to your suggestion
You need to explain why you want this, the purpose it'd serve,
and preferably provide context for anyone unaware of the weapon's function, in this case
hollow shell
~~inb4 someone actually brings this up as a problem~~
tbf the potion thing does count as a Calamity alteration to vanilla functionality that is otherwise unavoidable without a config
which is listed as an acceptable usecase for configs in the Soft Don't
crude geode
Fair
hearty swift
rover
hollow shell
it's like pulling teeth
hearty swift
can you explain why my suggestion cannot be implemented
crude geode
~~it's like pulling teeth~~
It really is
hearty swift
so the reason it cant get added is because other mods already have added it? 🤔
hollow shell
can you explain why my suggestion cannot be implemented
Your suggestion isn't formatted properly, is the main thing
The bot won't be able to read it
Separate title from reasoning with a line break (Shift + Enter)
hearty swift
ok i deleted it
crude geode
Your suggestion isn't formatted properly, is the main thing
The bot won't be abl...
If that was the case wouldn’t the bot have reacted with a 🗜️
crude geode
Ah aight
inner anvil
Nycro's bot trying to work for 1 nanosecond:
crude geode
No bot will ever be good enough to deal with this chat 😤
hearty swift
swift wharf
bot that mutes everyone
inland saddle
Nycro's bot trying to work for 1 nanosecond:
It hasn’t gone down in a very long time shush
inner anvil
Cope.
crude geode
Remember a week ago where we had a problem getting it to remove a reaction
That sounds like the bot not particularly “working”
inland saddle
It was working as intended
Someone thought a feature was implemented that was never implemented
I’m gonna be doing some bot work later tonight anyways, so I’ll update it then
But it should be back up in about 3 hours
(When I get home)
hollow shell
sinful violet
stay winning
lilac ingot
@ashen warren you can just put platinum coins at the top of your coins slots and it will only use them until they run out
frosty trellis
....Not everyone wants to use Mana potions, that's why
long ridge
And it's literally the only mage accessory for all of post-moon lord
fossil finch
it also doesnt have a vanity anyways does it
fossil finch
yeah theres no point to complain about this
hollow shell
@jade kraken The only thing that gets toggled is the mana potion auto use
Some people are running regen builds and would rather have their mana drain completely than to get afflicted with Mana Sickness
Your suggestion seems to be phrased like all of the accessory's effects get toggled
swift wharf
toggling visiblity only enables auto use mana
even says in the tooltip what is this suggestion 
hollow shell
Yeah the tooltip's phrasing is pretty unambiguous
worldly basalt
that requires reading though, very difficult 😢
serene tendon
LOL
To be fair, it's possible someone could read that and think that the entire accessory is tied to the visibility.
weak field
I really don't think so
distant gyro
@hollow shell can you remove me from the ping list in here and #1042197406776827914
thanks in advance
hollow shell
<@149223721700163584> can you remove me from the ping list in here and <#1042197...
Removed
bright crag
@hollow shell aaa I'm sorry for pinging you back to back like this but can you add me to the ping list?
hollow shell
<@149223721700163584> ~~aaa I'm sorry for pinging you back to back like this but...
I am late but it has been done
bright crag
Thank you!
ashen warren
is the bot down?
cobalt pewter
seems like it
frosty trellis
(Also why is the cosmolite ore sugg not flagged if that's going to happen in the future anyways?)
small timber
because it is happening soon™️ as distortion biome, the suggestion is just cosmilite ore planetoid
(and can't really flag suggestion for planned content that have no eta)
thorn dock
@small timber ty for the regenator sugg! it has been implemented🎉
inland saddle
Why is it down again 
inner anvil
That's what I'm saying! 🙄
ashen warren
golden tulip
ok barring the fact that the Mjolnir suggestion is a no-no
it WOULD be cool i think
glass arch
could be neat
golden tulip
for such a famous weapon it is a wonder i havent seen it implemented before
golden tulip
idk i think with the right implementation it could work
drowsy plank
maybe it could drop from storm weaver and upgrade with stellar contempt into galaxy smasher?
glass arch
us brainstorming ideas for a flagged weapon
drowsy plank
true!
native sluice
Have a low detail mode for providence
glass arch
probably not gonna be a config
either its something that gets toggled with retro lighting or smth its probably not happening
native sluice
Damn
hollow shell
Yeah there prolly won't be a config for her specifically
But what concerns do you have that you would want there to be a config for?
glass arch
the only thing i would be able to think is prov is really laggy for some reason
hollow shell
I assumed they were worried about visual clutter but that is also possible
crude geode
for such a famous weapon it is a wonder i havent seen it implemented before
You mean in calamity?
golden tulip
in general
swift wharf
thorium has fucking
FOUR
Mjonirs
the actual mjonir, and the thor hammer that is a multiclass weapon
native sluice
Considering how much particles providence it causes a lot of lag
Kind of like geometry dash where there is a ldm for levels that has a lot of objects
If I make any sense
native sluice
I assumed they were worried about visual clutter but that is also possible
That too
frosty trellis
I assumed they were worried about visual clutter but that is also possible
I think part of the problem with the visual clutter is that unless you have backgrounds off and are in hell it can be very hard at times to tell where the hell the projectiles are
Seeing the projectiles in the hallowed is part of the reason I fight provi in hell
hollow shell
Cryogen's projectiles were recently given a glowing outline
Perhaps something similar could be done for all of Provvy's projectiles
Probably a dark purple to fit the palette
frosty trellis
Cryogen's projectiles were recently given a glowing outline
Perhaps something si...
Dark purple helps for the Hallowed Version although in hell I don't see that being particularly helpful
hollow shell
As long as the projs are comprised of two contrasting colors
(which yellow and purple are)
then they should be visible in almost all circumstances, right?
drowsy plank
true
frosty trellis
As long as the projs are comprised of two contrasting colors
(which yellow and p...
Would depend on the outline but ideally yeah it should Hallowed is the one that needs the visibility help for the most part anyways
weak field
Add a shader onto the projectile that's the opposite color of the average of whatever it's around
hollow shell
Uhh theoretically could work but would be computationally expensive and probably unecessary
frosty trellis
^
hollow shell
if you have a projectile that's mostly light colors, all you need is a dark colored outline
frosty trellis
Yeah
The dark colored outline will help in places where the hell background is lighter
I remember in one of my master-death runs that I literally had to turn off the hell background and set my color's to white so I could actually see provi's projectiles
weak field
Realistically just make it green
hollow shell
Wouldn't help against the hallow's more foresty backgrounds
(vegetation is blue/teal in the hallow but still)
frosty trellis
Oh making it green would suck
weak field
What if we just had two different colors for hell and hallow
frosty trellis
Seeing the healing stars in the hallowed on rev is already a fucking nightmare
frosty trellis
What if we just had two different colors for hell and hallow
Not necessary at least rn
Since provi will get her own biome in a few years
hollow shell
What if we just had two different colors for hell and hallow
That is also an option I guess
But, again, light proj dark outline, should always work
hollow shell
Since provi will get her own biome in a few years
HAH
frosty trellis
Soon ™️ moment
weak field
One day
frosty trellis
Just do the outlines and it should help a lot with visibility
weak field
That is also an option I guess
But, again, light proj dark outline, should alway...
Why not just make the projectile half light half dark
frosty trellis
LOL
hollow shell
Alright
Almost done gimme one sec
Alright I did my best to recreate the current visual conditions of the Providence fight
The filter on the screen, the filter on the background, and the filter on the projectiles themselves
Here are Underworld and Hallow in the now with no outlines
And here they are with dark purple outlines
As expected, they pop out a lot more
ashen warren
In terms of projectile outline pretty much any colour makes it way more visible ye
hollow shell
So uhhh yeah
If someone wants to make a suggestion about it, feel free
You can even include my images, even though they aren't perfectly accurate
(preferably as links so they don't flood up Voting)
hollow shell
Last suggestion for something like this seems to be this:
#suggestions-voting message
Which did not pass
hollow shell
imo
Terraria players are used to there being no outlines at all so I'm sure there doesn't need to be that kind of denotation
sleek turret
i just feel like it tbh
ashen warren
Matching the project colour but lighter looks best imo
Inf signus kunai are a good example of that, those things are stupidly visible
fossil finch
Ok but what's the lore reason
Asking before its implemented and a poor little fool asks that in lore
ashen warren
Doesn't need a lore reason it's gameplay 
worldly basalt
Ok but what's the lore reason
providence got infected by corruption 😔
sleek turret
lore atm needs rewriting so i'll just make my own lore
hollow shell
Prov already has purple crystals in her theming
The projs are glowing with crystal energy
ashen warren
If you like really felt the need to give it lore then there you go
fossil finch
Better make every visual effect and sound diagetic somehow
hollow shell
((Or maybe if you wanna get really creative
The crystals become incredibly flammable when powdered, like iron dust
So Providence isn't actually shooting pure energy fireballs at you, they're really bursts of crystal dust that are on fire, a burning substance like a flamethrower
and so the purple outline is the real cloud of dust, not quite burning on the extremities))
drowsy plank
better than adding a giant fuckoff red box like boss reworks did to queen bee
grim tusk
I agree with that sugg
drowsy plank
oh i just realized im technically future content sugging with the mention of flattening stackables
w/e idc blazing star still fits better
glass arch
should i just suggest the prov pojectile outline since nobody else has yet
frosty trellis
should i just suggest the prov pojectile outline since nobody else has yet
Go for it
frosty trellis
And here they are with dark purple outlines
That would be so much better holy shit
errant bobcat
I feel like dangersense pot should put the red outline tho, instead of changing the color slightly, making some projectiles blend in even more
hollow shell
That's something I've wanted Potion of Omniscience to have yeah
It highlights projs like an orangey-brown color, which can sometimes make them significantly harder to see
than if you had no potion at all
hollow shell
i need to be able to obtain every single item in every single playthrough
and if i have to farm for more than 5 minutes to do that, i am going to have a stroke
crude geode
so true rover
novel belfry
beam sword is rad tho
drowsy plank
so just kill cosmic elementals or skeletons
boosting the drop rate would be a much more reasonable argument if obtainability is the issue here
small timber
beam sword is comically common once you use zerg potion in the right place
it is not rare enemy drop or anything, it is just a normal drop from one of the most common enemy at the place of progression where you absolutely can mass farm
frosty trellis
^
The ankh shield parts have recipes due to their low droprate
Me getting 2 RoD's trying to get a damned armor polish in vanilla
small timber
the ankh shield part have recipe because there are 10+ of them you need to collect for low drop rate from specific enemy, instead of 1 weapon from a common enemy at low drop rate yeah
frosty trellis
Mhm
Beam sword doesn't need one
Bladetounge doesn't need one (You can get an extreme amount of fishing power and 6 lines at once extremely easily in calamity)
drowsy plank
post-WoF?
frosty trellis
Ye
drowsy plank
i mean it's easy to get a lot of fishing power with the angling kits and super station accessory but idk where you'd get 6 lines
frosty trellis
Golden Fishing Rod + Fishing potion
small timber
I think the fishing stuffs should stay exclusive to fishing just so it have any actual use, and you have 900 different other weapons for choice anyway
crude geode
Golden Fishing Rod + Fishing potion
what
small timber
the exception to that is things like golden crate or biome crate, as those are not fishing exclusive (namely those that are for chest drops)
frosty trellis
what
Golden Fishing Rod has 5 lines in calamity
Fishing potion adds another line
Calamity changes
Unless I am heavily mistaken
crude geode
funny
small timber
I dont remember that change?
crude geode
same
small timber
it is maybe fargo or some other fishing mod
frosty trellis
I don't have a fishing mod
small timber
because 5 rod is uelibloom level
frosty trellis
So it would have to be mutant
frosty trellis
because 5 rod is uelibloom level
Ah icic
small timber
probably mutant yeah
well if it actually have 5 rod it will help me a LOT so I am not complaining
crude geode
smh my head mpg spreading misinformation
frosty trellis
Sorry
small timber
yeah is absolutely is 1 rod
frosty trellis
Sorry
crude geode
it's fine
doesn't change the fact that fishing exclusive weapons really shouldn't be obtainable any other way
hollow shell
so just kill cosmic elementals or skeletons
(I don't think Cosmic Elementals drop Beam Sword specifically)
hollow shell
time to add
Cosmic Golem
a la Granite Golem
which drops all the uncommon EarlyHM swords
hollow shell
yes many people do. I personally don't mind, got used to it after like 2 days
cobalt pewter
I don't mind myself
it's odd in some places but it's not the most annoying thing Discord changed
drowsy plank
correct!
i dunno why discord keeps changing and adding things no one asked for. while breaking old systems. wouldnt care if everything worked as good as pre-Mobile parity but Nope!
hollow shell
I'll give em credit for the visual differentiation between capital i I and lowercase L l
(and the number one 1, too)
Many fonts (including the previous Discord font) have them look identical, which can cause confusion
drowsy plank
Il
hollow shell
It's a bit disorienting now but overall it's a good change I think
drowsy plank
fair
hollow shell
anyway this is offtopic
crude geode
can we delete cosmic elemental
it feels really out of place with it's design (which I kinda get is the point behind it's 'lore' but it still just feels off) and it's purpose as alternate ways of obtaining pre-hm swords is kinda. eh.
rich echo
i dunno why discord keeps changing and adding things no one asked for. while bre...
they changed fonts because they didn't have the license for the previously used one
either that or the license ran out idr
hollow shell
can we delete cosmic elemental
Feel free to suggest it
Enchanted Sword and Starfury do indeed have recipes as early as post-Desert Scourge
and Bone Sword is already dropped by an enemy in the Underground
The only thing it helps to provide a renewable obtainment method for is Terragrim, but the drop rate is so low and Cosmic Elementals such an uncommon spawn that I've personally never had it drop
Nor does it really need that renewable method, considering it's meant to be a special "secret" alternative to the Enchanted Sword anyhow
crude geode
exactly
maybe in the future we can see a cosmic elemental return in the distortion dimension but right now it really doesn't have a purpose in the underground, and doesn't mesh well
hollow shell
byeah they don't even seem to be themed around DoG at all anyway, the name feels like a misnomer
They're blue and purple yes, but not only is it not the same blue and purple that Devourer-related stuff uses, it also wasn't even that palette originally
They originally looked like this
crude geode
mhm
even the lore kinda gives up on where they're from and just says "somewhere not of our world"
cobalt pewter
The only thing it helps to provide a renewable obtainment method for is Terragri...
then people will complain because they can't theoretically get everything in a run :clueless
hollow shell
even the lore kinda gives up on where they're from and just says "somewhere not ...
byeah. Left ambiguous whether it's an actual Distortion thing
Would be really weird if it was, anyway.
cobalt pewter
also why I hate the support towards extensive both evils availability in a single world
frosty trellis
The only thing it helps to provide a renewable obtainment method for is Terragri...
There is exactly one problem with this
Devil's Sunrise
Needs Terragrim
And if you don't get it via luck you cannot craft the weapon basically without that drop chance
And Devil's Sunrise is like, an actually powerful weapon if used right
hollow shell
- i need to be able to obtain every single item in every single playthrough
- We can just do this:
crude geode
mpg I will kill you, you're part of the problem
frosty trellis
1. *i need to be able to obtain every single item in every single playthrough*
2...
Look I don't like being locked out of a good weapon due to bad rng
But yeah fair enough can do that
frosty trellis
mpg I will kill you, you're part of the problem
LOL
crude geode
pipeline
- I just don't like rng determining weapon drops
- weapons should just be more accessible in general! why should I have to fish
- evil islands are a good design choice
hollow shell
- evil islands aren't good enough Please add conversion recipes for all evil items
drowsy plank
tbf
sunrise SHOULD be getting a rework
fab mentioned it by name yesterday so
perhaps the terragrim version will die
hollow idol
byeah they don't even seem to be themed around DoG at all anyway, the name feels...
⚠️ misinfo alert ⚠️
hollow shell
Oh wow.
I've never seen that before (pre-dates the original wiki) but I am not surprised in the slightest
drowsy plank
we've come a long way
hollow idol
crude geode
⚠️ ~~misinfo alert~~ ⚠️
god
hollow shell
Very cool and fun that this enemy has not had its AI changed for 6 whole years
crude geode
truly the sign of a great and well loved enemy
hollow idol
hes cute dont hurt him : (
hollow shell
I will do more than kill him.
cobalt pewter
4. evil islands aren't good enough Please add conversion recipes for all evil it...
a
soft quest
Very cool and fun that this enemy has not had its AI changed for 6 whole years
here's to another 6
lethal prism
add a memorial to him
Random grave somewhere in each worldgen that says "rip cosmic elemental"
hollow idol
port the cosmic cone as a memorial
small timber
gitgudwo video: insane new cosmetic items destroyed scal and exo under 1 second melted boss rush burnt your motherboard and will make you accidently bought expired milk
hollow idol
hollow shell
(casually passes by 2017 Supreme Cataclysm)
drowsy plank
oh lmao
deleted my thorn chakram sugg bc it's already changed in changelogs lmaooooooo
crude geode
sugg bingo!
austere zinc
cosmic elemental should be moved to space ? it's more logic and add more content on the space
drowsy plank
fuck wait
wrong chakram
goddamnit
they removed mangrove chakram from ele disk which was an actual rogue weapon but not thorn from terra?? why???
distant gyro
to bother people
also because it's a green. disk.
and we're used to cross-class material stealing around here as a rogue
Daybreak for Night's Gaze or something
and insert amount of time ex-throwing weapons get used for rogue weapons
drowsy plank
i guess that makes sense
i just think of all the weapon to tier mix, terra feels... weird. they're supposed to be the penultimate weapon in hardmode for your class. it's like if ranger got a new terra weapon and it used space gun in its recipe or something
im gonna leave it up, but i wont be torn up if it gets rejected lol
drowsy plank
terra flameburster gets meowthrower in its recipe this update
distant gyro
meowthrower gets booted down from eruption
crude geode
Balance Suggestion is leaking
drowsy plank
im not sure if this is necessarily balance sugg leaking
small timber
balance suggestion (in its current state) mainly handles weapon balance yeah; like if a weapon is too strong (need nerf) or too weak (need buff)
drowsy plank
xpc has some valid points that couldnt be fixed with just some number tweaking, this is more rework territory
crude geode
it is valid and I understand it's points
it's just that I've heard it about 500 times how problematic armor penetration is from testers/the two tester wannabes
drowsy plank
lul
distant gyro
once again I would be fine with this if there's not like
a flask that makes the item useless on 3/5 classes
crude geode
truly why we need to kill flasks
distant gyro
society when potions exist
crude geode
flashback to when "remove flasks" and "add more flasks" were right next to each other in voting
drowsy plank
true!
distant gyro
make the teeth apply a seperate DR reduction <:ultimatesmug:807498328693669918>
war cleave 2!!
drowsy plank
lmao
small timber
they can just use a different flask instead
the main thing is just since it is armor crunch the item can be buffed if needed (rather than being the unbalance pos it is right now)
hollow shell
what happened to the previous Terra Disk sugg
glass arch
got deleted i think
hollow shell
No shit but why
glass arch
already been changed in changelogs according to afflatus
hollow shell
wrong chakram
Okay I see now
drowsy plank
fun times
austere cargo
with the hardmode progression rework, having all 3 mechanical boss souls, hallowed bars, and chlorophyte bars are all at the same progression tier, right?
drowsy plank
uh
wdym
oh having all 3
yeah
3 souls, hallow bars and chlorobars are all (technically) preCal/prePlant
frosty trellis
And then post plant we have:
Cores
Perennial
Shroomite
Spectre
And probably a million other things I'm forgetting
drowsy plank
depth cells kinda sorta, broken hero sword
slow lodge
isnt is like
calamitas makes all the abyss stuff drop
i think in some thing its calamitas/plantera
drowsy plank
yeah but they're the same tier
grim tusk
already been changed in changelogs according to afflatus
Tf?
Terra disk hasnt been touched
grim tusk
Lemme check again
slow lodge
oh yeah
glass arch
(later corrected it because wrong chakram)
slow lodge
gotta read through the recipe changes
grim tusk
Terra disk got changed via adding Fishbone boomerang to its recipe
swift wharf
terra recipes everyone
slow lodge
thank god they changed the silva crystal recipe that shit was fucked up
getting the crystals for that was quite annoying
maybe not really annyoing
but it was inconvenient
swift wharf
terra recipes everyone
just kill disk tbh
and other zany terra weapons with scuffed recipes
cobalt pewter
frankly it won't happen
drowsy plank
considering i put the sugg back in sugg-posting
i think we already solved this mystery lmfao
lucid flare
i mean its not like we can put the mangrove chakram in
shrewd violet
i wonder will zenith‘s recipe be changed or be buffed（rebalanced maybe）this topic seems to have been mentioned many times
frosty trellis
i wonder will zenith‘s recipe be changed or be buffed（rebalanced maybe）this topi...
Recipe never
Buffed yeah bc it's currently the worst auric tier weapon (Outside of being good for the seekers)
shrewd violet
it does not benefit amything from attackspeed and I think it might be the reason thak makes it bad
Other auric tier weapon or weapons in the same period the dragon pow，ataraxia ，burning sky and ark of cosmos can do more than two times damage than zenith
frosty trellis
it does not benefit amything from attackspeed and I think it might be the reason...
Dragon Pow and Oracle don't so idk your point there
Same with Spine of Thanatos and Ark of the Cosmos
frosty trellis
Other auric tier weapon or weapons in the same period the dragon pow，ataraxia ，b...
Okay well that is just false
It's nowhere near 2x
shrewd violet
well yeah maybe not that much，but it still a bit way more damage than zenith does lol
small timber
definitely not 2 times (more dps), but most (other) auric tier weapon are situational
like dragonpow is average for scal but melt exo; oracle too (super bad scal, melt exo); while zenith is average for both
but yeah regardless zenith should be buffed slightly and there is a tread for balance discussion like this now
shrewd violet
well now i found that burning sky and ataraxia does，their damage scaled by attackspeed really insane
frosty trellis
like dragonpow is average for scal but melt exo; oracle too (super bad scal, mel...
D.Pow I wouldn't say melts exos
It annihilates Ares and is good for Thana but it about right for Twins
And I thought you yourself said Oracle was fine for Ares and Exo Twins but super good on Thana
drowsy plank
shouldnt this be in #1042197406776827914
little sentinel
The abyss being necessary for endgame progression would be cool. As of now, it's just optional in terms of progression.
crude geode
The abyss being optional is the point lol
drowsy plank
The abyss being necessary for endgame progression would be cool. As of now, it's...
terminus
ashen warren
Help
drowsy plank
i mean there's eventually going to be post-Boss rush content, and the Boss rush is the end goal of the game currently so like. Abyss is, in a way, required content so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
drowsy plank
Help
#help-advice-read-pins wrong channel
drowsy plank
👍
crude geode
i mean there's eventually going to be post-Boss rush content, and the Boss rush ...
First I’ve heard of post boss rush content
drowsy plank
i thought noxus and xeroc were coming after boss rush
of course, this is like 5 years in the future kind of future content so that could easily change but i feel like it's worth pointing out
crude geode
Aren’t those more planned to be super bosses/post game content
Same thing that boss rush will be
To be honest the plan is likely to change anyways so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
drowsy plank
i guess
i mean he said make abyss necessary for endgame so
it locking off boss rush and the post game content is about as "necessary to endgame" as you can get
cobalt pewter
@zenith hazel clown
zenith hazel
clown control incoming
cobalt pewter
let's go
zenith hazel
where
cobalt pewter
:clue
gilded scroll
this man
cobalt pewter
just right above yes
zenith hazel
oh this
cobalt pewter
gilded scroll
clown shot
you are officially kek and based
novel belfry
what did he do
novel belfry
uh the sugg bot is dead
inner anvil
@inland saddle Could your bot be broken AGAIN?
inland saddle
OH SHOOT
crude geode
ty I couldn't remember nycro's name
inland saddle
I forgot to restart it lol
inner anvil
I swear to god this man.
inland saddle
Returning now
stable kiln
lmao
grave zincBOT
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cobalt pewter
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what?
small timber
my guess is a lot of work for something that the devs consider as niche
not surprise it get denied tbh
unborn siren
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sad
sullen swan
frosty matrix
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the devs at 2:30am eastern voting for suggestions
hollow shell
(the votes occur over the course of a few days and are closed automatically)
keen zodiac
why wasn't the cosmilite ore sugg flagged
small timber
because it is happening soon™️ as distortion biome, the suggestion is just cosmi...
^
keen zodiac
i guess
ornate kestrel
It's just a temporary solution until the distortion biome is added
cobalt pewter
Was deemed too difficult to balance iirc
grave zincBOT
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lucid flare
inland saddle
Which one?
inner anvil
He's just joking, they want Armored Digger to be removed or reworked really badly.
errant cloud
Tbf, armored digger wasn't a bad idea, the dude who made the suggestion to remove/rework it was right in saying that it was bland though
drowsy plank
@hollow shell yo can you flag the sugg in #suggestions-posting
swift wharf
zenith hazel
@spiral socket no horny
errant cloud
I love how I can tell what went down just from you four people talking about it
Nice 
keen zodiac
lemme guess. maid calamitas?
frail mantle
you will never know
stable kiln
it's a secret
swift wharf
sealed away forever
ornate kestrel
Locked in a vault where no one knows
hollow shell
Weird. Not many devs voted on that one
umbral sonnet
dude the i hate the questline so much
drowsy plank
i mean chests already have lab trackers, and the diagrams already tell you where to go next, don't they? unless im forgetting how the captions works. a bit more clarity on what part you need for the codebreaker base itself could be nice, but overall, it really isn't that bad
frosty trellis
i mean chests already have lab trackers, and the diagrams already tell you where...
They do
BUT
It's increadably easy to just miss literally every single lab in the game by complete accident if you don't know you're supposed to be doing that
Like, space lab is the exception but the other problem there is power cells since it's definitely not clear in any regard you're supposed to mine up the lab itself so you can get the factories and shit so you can get them
It is quite unintuitive without an outside hand to help out with what the hell is going on
I can remember at least 80-90 accounts in the last month or so of people in #help-advice-read-pins asking how to summon Exos or what the codebreaker is or how to get power cells, etc
drowsy plank
It is quite unintuitive without an outside hand to help out with what the hell i...
wild. fr cal needs its own tutorial thing, either something based around terminus/xeroc or draedon so it has a lore explanation but fr we need it so bad lmao
cobalt pewter
I think somewhat of an optional guide pet would be nice
you can probably have an aged Wulfrum Pathfinder to guide the player in places
(John Wulfrum is knowledgeable)
frosty trellis
wild. fr cal needs its own tutorial thing, either something based around terminu...
Yeah no kid
I missed the sunken and jungle labs on my first pt bc nothing told me they existed or how to do any of that shit
Literally cheated in the Auric Tesla Cooling Cell in my mage pt and didn't figure out how the codebreaker and the entire quest line worked until my 3rd run of calamity
errant bobcat
More dialogue from the guide npc or even a hologram of draedon/calamitas moving in as a calamity exclusive guide npc would work as well. In the current moment all the guide says is a little bit of vague hints, mostly lore stuff rather than helping you to say what to do
drowsy plank
i dont think either of those would work or make sense
people ignore npcs hard, adding another npc would not help, and the hologram thing doesnt even make sense lmao
ruby plover
additionally, i believe a suggestion has been passed and denied about adding scal as an npc earlier than she is
blazing kettle
doesnt the guide already give additional hints for bosses you can fight in calamity?
ruby plover
well yeah, but a hint is different to a tutorial
drowsy plank
yeah but not anything actually useful
frosty trellis
Yeah
blazing kettle
just do what bismuth mod did! make people read diolouge and do quests! this totally wont take a long time to make and isnt totally ambitious
frosty trellis
And completely unnecessary especially considering Calamity is all about Non-linearity
small timber
people also dont really look at guide for the "hint" function
frosty trellis
Yeah
blazing kettle
could be useful if you havent played in a while
small timber
since those are very useless unless you are playing the game for the first time, the legit only useful one is hinting shroomite/surface mushroom biome
frosty trellis
Yeah
And if you're playing modded for the first time like... Recipe Brower exists for a quick and easier guide
And magic storage
Magic Storage especially since it's The Correct Way To Play Terraria ™️
blazing kettle
the guide could become boss checklist... if boss checklist didnt already exist
mods really made this guy obsolete
frosty trellis
I mean the other problem is that boss checklist also does not help in any regard for exos
It just tells you they exist and tells you that you need a computer, not how in the hell are you supposed to do this shit
Like it does for oh idk Literally every other boss in the mod
Including AEW which isn't even meant to be fought
blazing kettle
the process of making the codebreaoer base is kinda long...
frosty trellis
It's long
Interesting for like the first time (once you get an outside resource to help out)
And extremely unintuitive and not new player friendly in the slightest
blazing kettle
maybe at some point the cyborg could hint at the labs or sell pwer cell generators?
frosty trellis
Ah yes, more npc text 99.9% of new players will never read
And power cell factory selling is quite literally useless if 99.9% of players are going to miss the sunken sea lab anyways
So you can't even start the damned quest anyways
blazing kettle
im trying to think of something thst thematically fits
worldly basalt
maybe a chest near spawn that has something that just says "hey ive got a lab by the sunken sea you should go look at it"
frosty trellis
Problem is that you can't explore the sunken sea until post ds
worldly basalt
the lab's usually outside it, so it's probably still accessible
frosty trellis
Another optional boss fight that is easy to miss if you are going off of just calamity and nothing else
blazing kettle
i am thinking of a hint from the mech bosses, but thats hardmode, so it wont be that great for the first couple of labs
frosty trellis
the lab's usually outside it, so it's probably still accessible
Yeah but do you really expect players with pre boss gear to explore the entire outskirts of the sunken sea?
frosty trellis
Also like
Being told a lab exists at the sunken sea
Without a player knowing what the hell that is
Could be problamatic
blazing kettle
maybe a abandoned lab can tell you about it?
frosty trellis
I thought the sulfur seas was the sunken sea for awhile tbh
frosty trellis
maybe a abandoned lab can tell you about it?
Located where though?
frosty trellis
I thought the sulfur seas was the sunken sea for awhile tbh
Or the abyss byeah
worldly basalt
just a small outpost on the surface above it might work
blazing kettle
or a set spot underground like it usually is
frosty trellis
Ah yes
A very easily missable set spot underground
Nothing could possibly go wrong there :clueless
grim tusk
Looking at all of this
Why do you want Cal to be extremely hand-holding?
frosty trellis
Not like that's the entire reason the questline is unintuitive in the first place
blazing kettle
i originally wanted something to push the player in the right direction for the labs
grim tusk
Like yes there needs to be some clearer indicator that you will need labs for later
But not examples like you have given
frosty trellis
Looking at all of this
Why do you want Cal to be extremely hand-holding?
I'm not saying it needs to be extremely hand holding
I just don't personally find the way to build the computer new player friendly in the slightest and it took me 3 pts to figure out how the hell it worked (After extensive wiki lookup)
It's just unintuitive and by the time most players get that far they will have maybe a schematic or two (three if their lucky) and then just a bunch of missing pieces with no power cells (since they wouldn't know about the factorites) and no clear way to go about anything
grim tusk
Maybe if Sunken Sea and Space switched places in progression (as the player easily finds Space Planetoid) and have the schematic tell you that you will need the computer and power cells for later
blazing kettle
when i first discovered labs, i was well into post-moon lord before i started building it
worldly basalt
Maybe if Sunken Sea and Space switched places in progression (as the player easi...
definitely, planetoid is always the easiest to get to
usually found as soon as a couple gravity pots are found
drowsy plank
terraria, and in turn calamity, has some of the most dogshit entry requirements to understand the game. there's a reason we're called a wiki game. i just think trying to help the player a bit more would be nice, especially considering the obscurity of some of this info
frosty trellis
Maybe if Sunken Sea and Space switched places in progression (as the player easi...
PLEASE
Make the schematic also just state what the stations look like and how they function so people actually know what's going on
It never made sense to me how the literal easiest to find schematic was the 2nd one in progression and the single hardest schematic to find randomly is first
worldly basalt
pretty much all you even need to do is just put the sunken sea seeker in planetoid lab and you're all set
blazing kettle
is there a indicator on which schematics do what?
frosty trellis
They tell you what they can make now yes
worldly basalt
is there a indicator on which schematics do what?
the items you craft with them say "you need to decrypt this schematic"
and yea that too
frosty trellis
Like, it can just be a shift-down menu for the text explaining stuff since that also has a precedent in the mod as of late
blazing kettle
the items you craft with them say "you need to decrypt this schematic"
poor wording, i meant are the sprites distinct enough to lnow which schematics are which biomes?
worldly basalt
which sprites
blazing kettle
the sprites of the scjematics themselves?
worldly basalt
i'm not sure if they're identical or not so probably no
ok no they have slightly different sprites
blazing kettle
yeah they are different but i personally have trouble differentiating them ingame
keen zodiac
what if the orange/brown part is colored the same as the finder device for the corresponding lab
purple for space, yellow for snow etc
neat linden
hollow shell
Sounds like a questionable premise already
small timber
probably something like "if you have your character with specific name you are spawned with said specific content"
hollow shell
That is what I assume as well yes
small timber
if it is like, so specific to the point that people have 0 chance to accidently name themselves that then I think it is like fine (though still will be a sketchy suggestion)
like even having to have the correct capital letter, spacing and so on
but yeah the main thing is even if assuming the suggestion is accetapble, to what extent should this apply: all names with dedicated content, only specific ones and so on
hollow shell
I can't really see much point to it
aside from, haha easter egg, except really tedious and effortful to implement because it covers every single dedicated item
Cuz like the significant majority of dedicated items are late-game
it basically just lets you trivialize the entirety of PreHM and Hardmode (and potentially a good chunk of Post-ML too) cuz hehe hoohoo spawn with Universe Splitter
neat linden
maybe it's just limited to vanity or something
small timber
if you name your character "Pebble" you start with a Rock item
hollow shell
If they were all vanity items then yeah this would be totally fine
But alas, they are not
The sugg could indeed limit itself to vanity items
small timber
yeah (though I dont remember how many dedicated contents are pure vanity)
except dev sets
neat linden
a lot of pets iirc
hollow shell
2 vanity outfits
14 pets (technically 15 with Primrose)
1 vanity transformation accessory
1 chair
and 3 light pets if you count those as vanity
Actually make that 13 pets cuz one of them is Hermit's Box and therefore a functional benefit
neat linden
Ah yes
I would love to start the game with a chair
hollow shell
small timber
if the core reason of the suggestion is just for "praise for the developer" then it is a very strange (and kinda invalid) reasoning
considering Thank You painting exist
hollow shell
Sounds like a questionable premise already
@ashen warren read here ^ onwards
for our opinyots
inner anvil
hollow shell
You can. I think it would be more likely to be implemented as a suggestion if so.
Especially following in the footsteps of Joyful Heart
Needs some more rewording still
to fit the change
small timber
the example you listed: jetstream sam/murasama is not a vanity item
hollow shell
No I don't mean that
I mean:
- There are not many dev vanity items
- Workload would be much lower for adding just the vanity items rather than all dedicated items, so you can afford to have it not be dev-only
But if you do wanna keep it as just dev vanity items, then
your example of Robe of Calamity and Atropine would not be valid, cuz he isn't a dev