suggestions-discussion

[swift wharf]

no

[drowsy plank]

but i mean
it could
luminite and gala sings are the only consistent thing between all of them

fr why is there not just some kind of miracle matter item for elemental weapons

[swift wharf]

then you could say solstice claymore is an ele weapon

[errant cloud]

Man something in me regrets returning and reading the stuff above

I think it's the ecto vs living shards comparison xpc made

[swift wharf]

or make them just use luminite and singularities

period

[drowsy plank]

fair

[errant cloud]

on a related note can we use meld blobs for more stuff

feel like they're underused

Wait is that what they're called still

uh,

[drowsy plank]

u know considering every ele weapon needs luminite + all the fragments, why couldn't we just use exodium cluster. the item that is literally luminite + all of the fragments

[frail mantle]

meld blobs is the drop

[glass arch]

there was a meld blob furniture set suggestion that went through a while back iirc

[frail mantle]

meld construct is the "bar" you craft

[errant cloud]

wait ok I had to check because my mind was loopy and was trying to use memories from the old days

Where pillars dropped meld

But yeah current meld can we add more uses to it w

[frail mantle]

they still do

[glass arch]

pillar enemies still drop em

[frail mantle]

at least as far as i'm aware that hasn't changed

[glass arch]

not the pillars themselves iirc but its close enough

[errant cloud]

Oh wait you're right yea I forget what they look like

[frail mantle]

in fact i believe meld blobs used to drop from only nebula enemies

[swift wharf]

would look UGLY

[errant cloud]

I don't remember that far back,

I just remember meld stuff is used for...minion or rogue armor sets I forget which

[frail mantle]

rogue armor and weapons for every class except summoner

[drowsy plank]

lmao fr tho there's like. 3 items that use only frags it's so dumb

[frail mantle]

also a rogue accessory

[swift wharf]

yeah

[errant cloud]

Yea I just wanna see some more fleshed out stuff with da meld™️ because it's a nice concept and it feels like the devs shoved it aside to work on uh

[swift wharf]

anyways I don't think meld needs more things

[errant cloud]

Exodium

[swift wharf]

it's just rogue fragments

just work on exodium then

[drowsy plank]

that is not true exodium is just as much as mess as everything other ML tier crafting item lmaoooooo

me when im a post-ML ore that is used primarily for post-Polter crafting

[swift wharf]

exodium is indeed wack

[errant cloud]

idk, exodium is amazing for aesthetic but mid at best for everything else

.w.

[swift wharf]

however meld has a big flaw

why do we craft meld into meld 2

[frail mantle]

refining

ig

[swift wharf]

where is solar 2

[drowsy plank]

that's just gala sings :)

[errant cloud]

...eclipse has a point

[swift wharf]

guh

[errant cloud]

[swift wharf]

society if meld constructs were just meld tiles

[frail mantle]

i think i saw a suggestion (or at least some mention) about making the blobs the actual material and the constructs the block in here at one point

[drowsy plank]

i think i remember seeing that and also seeing it fail bc no one ever votes for the good suggs

woohoo

[errant cloud]

Tbh that's fine if spriters were willing to do the thing and make a furn set

Which is a hard sell

[swift wharf]

omw to sprite it myself

death of meld constructs

[drowsy plank]

wow i never realized the only thing blob does

is craft into construct

i swore it had at least a couple other uses

[swift wharf]

nope

[drowsy plank]

this really feels like old mod carry over stuff lmfao

[swift wharf]

it is

from meld bars to constructs

[errant cloud]

Yeah meld blobs have been around since...

Oh god I don't even remember

[swift wharf]

I think both blobs and bars always existed

[errant cloud]

I know I started playing in cryo and evils and they were in the mod five updates after that so

They've at least been around since vanilla 1.3

When the lunar events were added

[drowsy plank]

man i forget that cal use to just be a... mech bosses but harder mod. that was where the mod started lmfao

[errant cloud]

See this tho

I actually feel like this is how it went down

So much emphasis was put on future content that some stuff like meldy was left behind for a proper rework

[drowsy plank]

yeah meld blob and uh... "meldiate bar" have been in since 1.0

[swift wharf]

meld stuff is wack overall

[errant cloud]

Anyways brb for now

Had a rough week so gonna vibe on this bus w

[drowsy plank]

man looking through all the items added in 1.0 is

a trip

[golden tulip]

bruh

[hot zephyr]

No

[swift wharf]

Stopped reading at jetstream sam

[alpine dawn]

k

[bright crag]

Is this one allowed...? I remember it being mentioned in the rules

[frosty trellis]

It's not iirc

[bright crag]

Also, about Living Shards

Don't they have the purpose of making Terra Blade post-Plant? Since Calclone drops a Broken Hero Sword

[alpine dawn]

I don't see it in suggestion don'ts

[frosty trellis]

If you want a special attack with Murasama play Stars Above
Also Murasama has already been reworked, it doesn't need.to be reworked again when it's perfectly fine as is

This wouldn't be the first time a Murasama change suggestion has been rejected

[alpine dawn]

I mean I still don't think it's perfect as is but whatever

*dont

[frosty trellis]

@hollow shell Might be a good idea to put anything revolving the Murasama as a Frequently asked suggestion don't

[frosty trellis]

Then play Stars Above if you want a more cool version of the sword

The Only Thing I Know For Real exists there and it's fine

Adding another attack to the Murasama would also make it a balancing nightmare as it's currently balanced as is

[alpine dawn]

I mean it barely has the range to attack the bosses it's meant for (Besides Ares) but I'll still try Stars Above

[frosty trellis]

It can hit Thanatos
Exo twins suck but it's true melee, what did you expect
SCal you can hit her fairly well in the mobile phases (or just move back and forth to hit her easier) Brothers are the only real pain there

[bright crag]

Ok, it is allowed

And I don't really mind the suggestion, it has its motives

¯_(ツ)_/¯

No wonder it's suggested often

[frosty trellis]

It's more just so many Murasama suggestions have been rejected already

[alpine dawn]

ok? lol

[frosty trellis]

So I thought it was just a don't as it gets flagged all the time

So yeah

[grim tusk]

Brothers can also be hit swaying back and forth

[frosty trellis]

True

Just a lot more dangerous

Since new hellblast spreads my beloathed

I can true melee Exos all day
True Melee SCal? Brothers are far too BS for me to want to try that again

[swift frigate]

Isnt murasama a donator item? Iirc donator item suggestions are usually always rejected unless "owner" of that item is fine with changes or smth

[alpine dawn]

nope

[frail mantle]

it isn't

[alpine dawn]

i checked on the wiki

[hollow shell]

There already is, to an extent

This exact suggestion is used as an example on the reference Don't

Adding more Don'ts wouldn't make the suggs any less likely to come about, cuz they wouldn't be reading the doc anyway

[frosty trellis]

Ah, icic

I was trying to find it in the doc but didn't see it

[hollow shell]

Just
CTRL-F Murasama

or Jetstream

To be fair this suggestion is more of a gameplay argument than a reference once

[frosty trellis]

Ah I couldn't control f since phone.

[hollow shell]

Doesn't cross the threshold into validity tho, imo

Phrasing it like the Jetstream Sam attack is "missing" from our wep

Needs to discuss more about why the current attack is underwhelming and why a secondary attack would improve it

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

I can see how the Murasama is boring but I personally do not see a problem with it at this moment in time

It has the unique trait of having the longest range for a True Melee Weapon in the mod which gives it some interesting things you can do with it

Regardless if you're playing true melee or not

[hollow shell]

I can easily see arguments for it being boring yeah
Just a continuous hitbox that you aim around

Arguable whether that's a good or bad thing in comparison to the other much more complex melee weps around that point

Sticks out in a good or bad way

[cobalt otter]

Okay so

Has literally anyone here ever tried brimrose staff

The dps is horrible and you can barely even aim it

[stable kiln]

yes, its not even that bad

[frosty trellis]

I world agree with it's removal as it's very unnecessary (I've used it, it sucks) and you already have an unholy cores mage weapon anyways

That is actually useful for making Rancor

[stable kiln]

the dps is not great but its really easy to aim, and pretty good for prime phase 1 too

[cobalt otter]

Exactly, burning sea is way better

[frosty trellis]

Okay
But
Slithering Eels

53 second prime with tester gear

[stable kiln]

well yeah but if we only had 1 good class weapon per tier we would have like 40 weapons

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

[cobalt otter]

Better idea

[frosty trellis]

There are just... Other better options that are more unique and fun to use

[cobalt otter]

If the developers really like the idea of a brimstone flower weapon

[frosty trellis]

Belching Saxophone, Slithering Eels, Burning Sea and SHPC immediately come to mind

[cobalt otter]

Make it have larger beams? And have the splitting tree not be interrupted by blocks

Maybe it could linger a few more frames for potential extra hits

[errant bobcat]

Me personally, I prefer things being reworked rather than things being removed

Unless it’s an item that is completely unnecessary

Yes, item bloat, but it’s always nice to have a selection as well

[frosty trellis]

I mean we have an unholy core mage weapon and the Brimrose staff is... Really just not needing to exist

[drowsy plank]

dps being bad means nothing tbf, buffs exist, but i think the fact that brimrose staff overlaps with shadowbeam and burning sea is a much more compelling reason to axe it

[frosty matrix]

armored digger used to have a unique drop but it got axed for some reason

[swift wharf]

Did it?

[frosty matrix]

yes

draedon's remote

it was an item that spawned all 3 mechanical bosses with higher health

[swift wharf]

Ah
of course

[frosty matrix]

just for funsies

[glass arch]

didnt you also need 3 of em for universe splitter

[hollow shell]

@limber zealot Kinda confusing suggestion because you included two seemingly unrelated issues?

And would this be better for #bugs-read-pins ?

[limber zealot]

oh ye true

they are all related to ramming so i figured i would put 2 of them together

[half sage]

iirc the last time it was mentioned it was said COTG can't be made to not trigger on dodge since damage calc happen before dodge calcs

[frosty trellis]

So Zord wants the polterghast effect to die? I'm all for it

[plain river]

i died at 3.7% because he overshot and it delayed the dash

that shits just

not fun

and bullshit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thin hill]

That dash delay is such bullshit

[small timber]

What if just make the movement by which polter use to move to dash position really fast and kinda adjust its MS to match screen position?

Aka: Ares style

I completely disagree with teleporting since it remove a very important telegraph to majority of the fight

[plain river]

It wouldn't be removing a telegraph, it would replace it with a new one.

[frosty trellis]

I presume with the teleport it would be a delay after the teleport ends until polter dashes

[plain river]

Yes, I believe I said that in the suggestion

Enough time to react but not much more

You could reduce the in between time as the fight progresses as well

[frosty trellis]

The problem is that does clash with the rest of the drifting of the fight and would probably require an unnecessary amount of effort to make that work

[small timber]

Yes, but the player perceive the movement very differently from fluent movement or a straight teleportstion

As in their brain

[frosty trellis]

That would basically require reworking polters movement entirely

To make work

[plain river]

This is my main issue with just making it move into position faster. It already does that in the later phase, but the variance still occurs

[small timber]

Teleportation make it much more reaction based eventhough a delay comes with it

[plain river]

The fight's already mostly reaction based

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[small timber]

So I think using Ares movement + a delay is better than teleport + delay

[plain river]

It kind of already does that, though

And it wouldn't get rid of the variance, it'd just make it take less time to dash

[small timber]

The main thing is currently when polter does it it is not "rigid" enough once it get to dashing position, which leads to the polterghast effect

Ares on the other hand is super rigid unless you fly with drew wings at extreme speed, which is not happening in dungeon arena anyway with pre-DoG gear

[plain river]

Really I guess either of these could work

I like the idea of a teleporting phantasm, though. I'm surprised it doesn't do that already

[swift wharf]

Killing all inertia could also work

So polter wouldn't drift like a racing car

[plain river]

I think that could be what xpc's talking about

[swift wharf]

Yeye

[frosty trellis]

Okay that is just a lie as Bobbit Hook launching does that as well

[plain river]

That'd help, yeah, but getting there is part of the problem as well

Polter can it's sweet time making its way there, overshooting it is simply a common side effect

[small timber]

Bobbit is post polter

If you are referring to exo mechs ares, hook is way harder to use (if you want to use it to boost for a very long duration) compare to pressing space with wings

[plain river]

sounds to me like u just suck with hooks-

[frosty trellis]

Bobbit launching is what I did for my D.Rage only clear as I wanted c-tracers for consistent mecha mayhem dodging

And it kept me there for a good enough duration

It's 152 mph c.tracers flight + bobbit launch

[small timber]

Doing it once is easy, but doing it for 20 seconds straight? The entire fight?

[frosty trellis]

It's not in 20 second invervals
But I bobbit launched a fair bit during that clear

I have the video of it as well

It was only 3-4 second I believe until I had to re-position but yeah

Since Ares adjusts after a bit

[small timber]

Which is what I mean by hooking is less easy than pressing space, you dont have to prove everything as soon as somewhat said something that might be mildly incorrect

[frosty trellis]

Sorry

Definitely easier to just press space yeah

[small timber]

What I said there was not "hook is useless compare to wings", just "it is harder to use"

Yeah

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that makes more sense

I misread that then

I thought you said that didn't work but yeah

Now reading back

That's on me

[small timber]

Its fine, though I think mainly is just bobbit is post polter so I thought it should work

I dont remember other movement tool that misplace the player drastically at that point except momentum capacitor (in underground) or movement weapon like old lord oathsword or phospo gauntlet

[frosty trellis]

Relic of Deliverance?

[small timber]

Oh right that thing exist
Though do people really use it? Dont really seen it being brought up often

[frosty trellis]

I dunno. I haven't I just know it exists and is a movement tool

[slow lodge]

i used it quite a bit but ive realized the momentum capacitor is much better so im switching to that

[frosty trellis]

That's more just momentum capacitor needs a nerf more than anything LOL

[cobalt pewter]

wouldn't the stalling still create timing issues? unless you're saying it will dash anyways regardless of its position after that time

I think it just needs a check once it passed a legible position for dashing and give a visual indicator before forcing a dash

[slow lodge]

yeah i agree

most ive seen is like 200 mph which is way too high

[cobalt trail]

The momentum capacitor feels so useful, i was able to beat moonlord using it despite me being bad at the game

[hollow shell]

Playing summoner? Or switching items frequently

[cobalt trail]

summoner, im not good enough at the game to switch items a lot

[hollow shell]

Fair enoguh

[cobalt trail]

i just ran away as the terraprisma killed him

[hollow shell]

Ahh, Terraprisma, that makes even more sense...

[candid grove]

summoner + items that are balanced around switching best combo

relic of convergence is huge save

[frosty trellis]

I love how you say prisma makes even more sense when Stardust Cell Staff is literally just as broken

[hollow shell]

Terraprisma has a different reputation
I don't know if it's deserved anymore but for the longest time it was not even balanced for being a normal drop

[frosty trellis]

Prisma is death until providence and then it's bad

[cobalt trail]

idk what is and isn't good, i just used it since in normal terraria its good, and im terrible at video games so i need every advantage i can get

[frosty trellis]

Currently Terraprisma has about a 2 minute moonlord (same with cells), iirc it's decent for folly and guardians but it's 7 minute providence

Moonlord and providence are 4 minute fights as a reminder

[cobalt pewter]

momentum capacitor being dumb is like

known no?

idk if anything will change abt it

[swift wharf]

something something slingshot

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure there are plans for momentum capcitor, not sure what they are, but they exist

[lucid flare]

replying to my own message from yesterday but if living shards get Axed they could just as easily use perennial bars for the shit it was crafted with much like what happened with frigid & cryonic bars

[drowsy plank]

holy shit lois perennial is finally useful??

[lucid flare]

they did it once they can do it again

[spring saffron]

Perennial and living shards have no reason to coexist but living shards would be better to stay because perennial is just chlorophyte but slightly more

Removing one and replacing it with the other fixes a lot

[glass arch]

honestly yeah

[lucid flare]

[spring saffron]

Life alloys with living shards makes so much more sense lmao

Hot and cold mixed together with pure life it just makes sense than another stupid rock

[glass arch]

true, that actually makes it living rather than having a bar with a flower on it in the recipe

[inner anvil]

Sorry, we already have big plans for perennial, so it ain't getting removed.

Well, 'Big', enough to not be removed.

[spring saffron]

As long as it doesn't remain redundant I'm happy

[glass arch]

yeah

[lucid flare]

what about liver shards

[inner anvil]

IDK, they're there.

[lucid flare]

what if they were not there instead

[chrome wyvern]

perennial good

[inner anvil]

I'm not the person you should ask that.

[chrome wyvern]

mobility reaver my beloved

[inner anvil]

Tank Reaver my beloved.

[cobalt trail]

perennial feels and looks cool

[lucid flare]

Build Reaver my beloved.

[glass arch]

i havent ever used reaver tbh, i just forget it exists

[chrome wyvern]

the reaver armor sets are extremely cool

[spring saffron]

I'm sure I've used reaver like once but the only time I've stopped going all glass cannon for my builds is lategame infernum

[inner anvil]

That's because it's not class-specific or all-class, let's be honest.

[cobalt trail]

armor/weapons with flowers and plants on them was the best idea ever

[drowsy plank]

perrenial > living shards, just make the method of obtain perrenial more interesting lmao

[inner anvil]

just make the method of obtain perrenial more interesting lmao
About that.

Smiley face. (Edit: missinformation).

[lucid flare]

[inner anvil]

I don't know when we'll add it, I would need to ask, but seems done from last time I saw (Edit: missinformation).

[drowsy plank]

🙏

[spring saffron]

here's my suggestion fix the balance thread to not be capitalized so it fits with everything else

I just noticed that and now it makes me mad

[inner anvil]

Update: It isn't, and not close to being done.

[small timber]

what does that even mean, everyone can write on that, and not everyone will have to agree on the statements

if other people disagree they can simply just say no alcohols is not too strong, just like you did

[inner anvil]

He refers to the name of the thread.

[small timber]

oh, yeah my bad

[cobalt pewter]

threads defy rules of channels

[inner anvil]

Update 2: Forget about it, scrapped.

[drowsy plank]

lmfaoooooooo

[small timber]

perennial now drops from plantera

[lucid flare]

got damn

[sinful violet]

oops

[swift wharf]

chloro is now post plant

[dusty stirrup]

Lol

[hollow shell]

@oblique geyser Should probably call them Soul Seekers, their full name
And mention in the title that you mean during the Supreme Calamitas fight

Anyone without context would be very confused by your title, especially because the Calamitas Clone fight also features Soul Seekers

Thank you

[drowsy plank]

tbf if it happens in both fights id say it would be applicable for both, but that should also be specified if that is the case

[serene tendon]

Please no

Living Shards are cool

[lucid flare]

[drowsy plank]

they suck

[swift wharf]

cringe suggestion can we il edit terra toilet out

[drowsy plank]

lmaoooooo

[serene tendon]

How exactly is it anything of the sort?

[hollow shell]

Do we edit the Terra Blade recipe to include Living Shards?

[serene tendon]

It does already

[drowsy plank]

we should undo that

[hollow shell]

Okay yes I see, we do

You should include that in your suggestion instead of just saying "It's been basically confirmed at this point" " I like this, and it makes sense. " which are both incredibly subjective statements

[serene tendon]

Why are you and Eclipse out for blood against living shards, exactly, @drowsy plank ?

[serene tendon]

True

[drowsy plank]

because they're pointless??

they're just ectoplasm but worse

[swift wharf]

redundant material n 53

[drowsy plank]

as well as giving a boss that didn't need a material drop a material drop. they're basically just bloat from old mod content

[serene tendon]

No, they're not, they keep Terra weapons Post-Planterra

[swift wharf]

post plantera material hell

kill terra weapons

anyways post plant materials are really wack

[serene tendon]

It's necessary for balance reasons, and gives an actual reason why terra weapons are green

[swift wharf]

or just make terra shit use cores of calamity

[hollow shell]

Living Shards are a lazy way of allowing any recipe to be suitably Terra themed

Instead of adding Broken Hero equivalents with their own obtainment sources, which could have been an opportunity for creativity and getting players to do things they wouldn't normally do,
they just gave it to the already heavily important boss and is another source of repeated boss farming

[swift wharf]

that

[serene tendon]

Also, Life Fruit recipe

[swift wharf]

ectoplasm

[serene tendon]

why

that makes no sense

[swift wharf]

i mean

does it have to

[drowsy plank]

you know what else does? broken hero sword

[serene tendon]

why would you put the souls of ghosts into a fruit

[swift wharf]

living shards don't make sense wither

either*

[serene tendon]

Nope, that's only Post-Calclone

[swift wharf]

it's not about theming it's about redundancy

[drowsy plank]

yeah which is something we can change

because we broke it

[swift wharf]

maybe we should add an material to each item

[drowsy plank]

just remove hero sword from cal clone it makes 0 sense anyway

[swift wharf]

or dont

[drowsy plank]

that also works

[hollow shell]

Or don't because it takes something away from Plantera and god knows she needs that

[swift wharf]

they're the same tier

[serene tendon]

Gotta agree with you that it doesn't make sense to put that there

[drowsy plank]

i was gonna get to that too, but if it was really a problem you really could remove it lmao

[swift wharf]

true true

[drowsy plank]

like personally i preferred when it didnt take living shards since cal felt like an actual alt instead of just

some rando

she should be important anyway

[serene tendon]

No, they're not, Calclone is Pre-Plant. You can check the official boss progression if you want

[drowsy plank]

no she isnt

cal and plant are the same tier

[swift wharf]

they're the same tier

skul

[drowsy plank]

just like scal and exos lmao

[hollow shell]

How do you put two bosses on the same tier in a linear progression list?

[drowsy plank]

^

[swift wharf]

put them in the same slot, ofc

[hollow shell]

Our only other option is putting her post-Plant on that list

It's completely binary

[swift wharf]

you, however, are not

[hollow shell]

the funny

[serene tendon]

Put the weaker one with worse drops first. But in terms of difficulty, they're not even close

[drowsy plank]

cal triggers post Plant dungeon when

[serene tendon]

Plant is way harder

[swift wharf]

zazed

[drowsy plank]

subjective

aka doesnt matter lul

[serene tendon]

They're way closer to the same power level

[hollow shell]

We made Cal grant the Abyss drop instead of Cal/Plant, in order to make her comparable to Plant in terms of unlocks

[swift wharf]

or cal could trigger the abyss, and plant just the dungeon

oh fu

it does that already

[hollow shell]

Technically Plant doesn't even unlock the Temple anymore because key recipe

[swift wharf]

so plant just unlocks dungeon and perennial?

and some post plant drops from enemies ig

[serene tendon]

On another note, can the key recipe be nuked? Hoiks exist

[hollow shell]

and Cyborg and Shroomite and Solar Eclipse

and I can't remember if we make Prismatic Lacewings spawn pre-Plant already

[serene tendon]

You did

[swift wharf]

byeah kill living shards

[serene tendon]

Post-Plant dungeon is way more important

[drowsy plank]

only cause we spam ecto in everything

which loops back to shards being useless

lmao

[serene tendon]

Living Shards make terra weapons make sense. No, a broken hero sword alone will not make a weapon green

[hollow shell]

Yes it seems like we do. Needs documentation on the wiki though

[swift wharf]

no they don't

terra blade never needed living shards

[hollow shell]

.

[swift wharf]

yea

[hollow shell]

my "theory" I guess

[drowsy plank]

that is not true i know for a fact i specify they spawn post WoF on the EoL page. maybe it just isnt on vanilla changes, that would make sense

[swift wharf]

and it's green cuz of t night edge

[hollow shell]

Yes I meant on Vanilla Changes, cannot see it there via CTRL-F

[drowsy plank]

ah

[serene tendon]

What about the other terra weapons?

[drowsy plank]

they should die

[hollow shell]

I have an idea

[serene tendon]

Why?

[hollow shell]

Stop talking about this

There's already a suggestion to remove Living Shards in voting

Vote on it if you agree and don't if you don't

[swift wharf]

that reminds me

I need to suggest the removal of terra flameburster

[serene tendon]

Why don't we improve things instead of nuking them?

[drowsy plank]

eld melter enjoyers when terra flameburster finally dies

[swift wharf]

because elf melter exists

and it's cooler

[serene tendon]

Make it part of the recipe

[swift wharf]

no

instant upgrade moment

even worse

[drowsy plank]

also this is improving them, gives weapons stronger niches instead of 18 taking the same place on the same tier

imagine if instead of being half-heartedly shoved into terra tier we got an actual cursed flames flamethrower

[swift wharf]

what if we used the vanilla weapon

!!

[serene tendon]

Well then, it shouldn't be too hard to give Elf Melter and Terra Flamebuster (if only slightly) different uses. Saying the 2 can't exist together in peace is like saying Venus Magnum and Chain Gun can't

[swift wharf]

except that they are literally the same

[drowsy plank]

i would kill venus magnum if given the chance. at least it got high speed bullets so that's

something

[swift wharf]

while chain gun is different than venus magnum

[serene tendon]

That can be changed

[swift wharf]

and magnum got buffed in 1.4.4

but removing is easier

they could've reworked terra edge

but they removed because it is easier and better

[serene tendon]

And they should've

[drowsy plank]

into what??

[serene tendon]

What it was intended to be. A Terra Blade alt with a different purpose

[swift wharf]

my brother in christ we don't need terra blade two

[hollow shell]

mmm yes I love deflating the significance of a vanilla item by adding another nearly identical one right next to it for basically no reason other than an incredibly minor sense of "variety" for an already incredibly bloated class at that tier mmmm yes

[drowsy plank]

bro elaborate on the "different purpose" aspect then

[swift wharf]

In the attempt of adding variety

I am killing it

[blazing kettle]

keeping the lazer for when 1.4.4 on tmod drops ofc

[serene tendon]

I'm not saying that it was like that in its current state.

[drowsy plank]

yes i am asking you

what would they even turn it into

[swift wharf]

another melee weapon tm

[hollow shell]

A true melee weapon is the obvious answer

[serene tendon]

It could be given a more single target focused use, whereas Terra Blade is easier to use and better for crowd control

[swift wharf]

clearly post plant needs more of those

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[swift wharf]

anyways crimson variants of night weapons are a flawed concept

terra edge should've never existed

[drowsy plank]

im like 90% sure terra is better for crowd now and i refuse to believe there is not another non-terra weapon that does not already serve the single target niche

[swift wharf]

tyrant's ultisword

ark upgrade

list goes on

[serene tendon]

And why? It was lazy not to include a Night's Edge variant for the Blood Butcherer in the first place

[drowsy plank]

nah

[serene tendon]

There isn't for Melee...

[swift wharf]

nights edge isn't even corruption themed

[drowsy plank]

eclipse literally just listed 3

[swift wharf]

and this is assuming that tblade isn't good for single targets

[serene tendon]

Yes it is, it's an upgrade to the Light's Bane

[swift wharf]

(it is)

[hollow shell]

my favorite melee weapon "list goes on"

[serene tendon]

Not Terra weapons

[drowsy plank]

i will make list goes on real

[swift wharf]

[hollow shell]

Why does it need to be a Terra weapon if it is on the same tier anyway

[swift wharf]

we should have a jungle nights edge

[drowsy plank]

terra shiv when it needs to be readded because it is a terra weapon

[swift wharf]

and a fire nights edge

😊

[frail mantle]

purple != corruption themed

[drowsy plank]

night's edge is like dark lance

[frail mantle]

night's edge is very specifically Not corruption themed

[drowsy plank]

hence why dark lance is used in terra lance

lmao

[serene tendon]

Shortswords had no real reason to exist in the first place

[frail mantle]

if it was, the vanilla devs would've added a crimson variant in 1.2 themselves

[drowsy plank]

just like terra edge!

[swift wharf]

bloody edge isn't real therefore night != corruption

[serene tendon]

No, it has a purpose: to be a Crimson-based parallel to Terra Blade

[swift wharf]

why

is it for the sake of it

[drowsy plank]

terra blade is a crimson weapon you can make it with blood butcher...

[swift wharf]

EXACTLY

IT'S NOT LIKE CRIMSON WORLDS CAN'T GET TERRA BLADE AUUUUGH

[drowsy plank]

when we getting the corrupt lance

[serene tendon]

That was where the Devs went wrong with the concept in the first place

Making the things interchangable

[drowsy plank]

not true

[blazing kettle]

thino for a moment

[drowsy plank]

vanilla did it

[serene tendon]

And Calamity tried to fix it

[blazing kettle]

is nights edge really a upgrade to the lights bane or a upgrade to the muramasa

[drowsy plank]

there was nothing to fix lmao

[drowsy plank]

BASED

[hollow shell]

(Night's Edge is ostensibly Corruption themed due to being added in a time when the Crimson did not exist. At the very least it is related to the theme.
It is purple, themed around darkness and night (a la "Light's Bane" and "Waraxe of the Night", True Night's Edge has a bright green projectile much like Cursed Flames.

It does have a degree of separation though, much like Hallowed Bars are not explicitly Hallow-biome themed, but the two serve the purpose of Light/Dark clash much like the Hallow and Evil biomes. True Excalibur takes on the pink and blue colors of the Hallow)

[swift wharf]

evil themed 😈

[frail mantle]

night's edge isn't corruption themed because souls of night exist and aren't corruption exclusive

[drowsy plank]

is it fair to say that's been retconned considering the shadow weapons exist

[blazing kettle]

the terrablade is like a weapon of harmony

[swift wharf]

maybe we should add crimson and terra variations of all night weapons

[blazing kettle]

if that males sense at all

[swift wharf]

including daedalus

[frail mantle]

guh

[swift wharf]

because fuck daedalus theming I hate it

[serene tendon]

Souls of night need a rename.

[hollow shell]

Yes indeed

[swift wharf]

(extreme copium)

GOD

[frail mantle]

do they

[drowsy plank]

rename souls of night...

[blazing kettle]

souls of blight when

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

[serene tendon]

Souls of night genuinely should be renamed to that

[swift wharf]

no they don't shut up

[blazing kettle]

well they cant

[drowsy plank]

im losig my mind

ocram is real

[blazing kettle]

for one, souls of blight is old gen exclusive

[swift wharf]

"I think that everything needs a crimson variant because I said so"

[blazing kettle]

for two, relogic nor calamity have made the ports

[swift wharf]

i love bloat !!!!

[blazing kettle]

and three, bloat

[serene tendon]

No, just corruption items

[drowsy plank]

can you imagine what this convo would be like if red actually implemented the rest of the biome variants like he planned

[serene tendon]

They don't have to be close to identical, but they should be there

[blazing kettle]

the wha huh manuh?

[swift wharf]

"night's edge is actually jungle, so the removal of jungle edge makes no sense"

[drowsy plank]

words dreamed up by the utterly deranged ^

[blazing kettle]

multiverse of swords moment

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

where's the crimson flamethrower and corrupt lance then

[blazing kettle]

is it universe or multiverse i forget

[drowsy plank]

both exist i believe

[swift wharf]

Anyways you are all wrong

Night's edge is slime god themed

because it uses purified gel

[drowsy plank]

[frail mantle]

true

[hollow shell]

You're so fucking right

[blazing kettle]

and slime god becomes goozma, and goozma is noxus, and noxus is purple

[swift wharf]

AND SLIME GOD

IS CRIMSON AND CORRUPTION

[hollow shell]

"Purified Gel gives the Night's weapons their darkness theme, it makes no sense to remove them"

[swift wharf]

SO NIGHTS EDGE IS NIGHT THEMED AND NOT CORRUPTION

[hollow shell]

Sorry I am becoming antagonistic as a result of this long argument

[lucid flare]

they should put purified gel in the eye of night/flesh of infidelity recipes

[serene tendon]

The first one's counterpart is Eviserator, if you mean the shadethrower

[frail mantle]

TRUE

[drowsy plank]

eviserator is a gun

[swift wharf]

IT IS BOTH CRIMSON AND CORRUPTION AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOWWW

[drowsy plank]

it shoot bullet

[blazing kettle]

day themed weapons when

[hollow shell]

They're talking about

[swift wharf]

common purified gel can we remove carnage ray

[swift wharf]

evil imagery

[lucid flare]

so true actually

[swift wharf]

hallowed

[serene tendon]

Chain Guillotines and Fetid Bagnahs are counterparts, yet they are not the same kind of weapon. They're even both hard to spell!

[lucid flare]

since bloody edge is going 2 brazil we should throw the "crimson" night variants there as well

[swift wharf]

but flesh of infidelity is actually cool can we just move it

[blazing kettle]

fetid baghanakhs

[lucid flare]

idk mabe

[drowsy plank]

yeah but you can't transmute the corruption mace into the crimson lance, and there's no variant for the corruption for the meatball, the crimson just gets more weapons because. reasons

[serene tendon]

Fetid Baghnakhs, apparently. Looked it up on the wiki just now

[blazing kettle]

crimson gets more because ots the harder evil of course

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

so like maybe every weapon doesnt need a variant

lol

[swift wharf]

exaclty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that is the whole fucking point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blazing kettle]

i was close

[serene tendon]

Yeah, closer than me

[drowsy plank]

the fetid bagpipes

[lucid flare]

we already have a terra blade 2 and its name is terratomere

[swift wharf]

[lucid flare]

also it's an actual sequel this time

[swift wharf]

Can I just mention the inconsistency of flesh of infidelity/eye of night's recipe not using purified gel I think it's pretty quirky

[lucid flare]

yes

[drowsy plank]

oh right they're pre-SG bc

reasons

[hollow shell]

Balance n options more important than theming and consistency in this case

[serene tendon]

Wait what? Might suggest that to be changed later, idk

[drowsy plank]

eye of night/flesh of infidelity when herring staff

[fresh spruce]

post supreme calamitas boss.....

[swift wharf]

so true

[hollow shell]

Eventually. Not soon though.

[lucid flare]

summoner has enough options against slime god i think

[drowsy plank]

dont we have AEW rn anyway lmao

not that i like him, but it exists

[serene tendon]

AEW doesn't count

[drowsy plank]

how

[hollow shell]

He shouldn't* count

[drowsy plank]

it is literally a boss intended to be fought after scal what else would you call that

[lucid flare]

herring staff, star swallower, staff of necrowhatever, hornets

[drowsy plank]

true

are hornets stronger than imps i do not know what the balancing is on those mfs

vanilla be like

[serene tendon]

A waste of RAM

[lucid flare]

i think imps are better

[drowsy plank]

that is still a post SCal boss so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lucid flare]

despite, being technically on a lower tier

[drowsy plank]

funny

i mean if ur following vanilla imps being better makes sense since hellstone comes after QB

[blazing kettle]

says the guy who wants more weapons in the mod

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[lucid flare]

calamity would run better if it didn't have midblade of piss 4 and its 80 siblings instead of, yknow,having them

[drowsy plank]

it's okay you can say devestation

[lucid flare]

i was thinking of devastation but its line is getting reworked

[swift wharf]

devastation should die

just this thing not the line

[drowsy plank]

nah i think catastrophe and celestial claymore should also die
but devil's devaststion can stay it was always more of an upgrade to the other sword anyway lol

[swift wharf]

yea

it probably will die when everything gets reworked

[lucid flare]

forbidden oathblade??

[swift wharf]

ja

[hollow shell]

hahahaha

[lucid flare]

:(

does that mean it stays

[drowsy plank]

i know they basically kind of confirmed that dev's line is dead but is devil's dev getting killed too and being replaced with a new oathblade upgrade or? would kinda suck if the line just died

[swift wharf]

dev plans more like villain plans

[hollow shell]

This is assuming that any of them get touched at all...

[swift wharf]

fear

[lucid flare]

[frosty trellis]

At least don't kill devil's dev
I need another overtuned melee weapon for when Blah and Excelsus die

[unique violet]

i have a lore idea for deerclops (item for him). It could just state "A being from another world brought here by accident, yet he fit in well. Unfortunately he wasn't of much use."

[frosty trellis]

Lore items are getting killed off in the future

And lore is decided by the dev team anyways

[cobalt otter]

Oh hey my suggestion got in

Are we not allowed to upvote our own suggestion

[frosty trellis]

You can

[unique violet]

:(

[hollow shell]

mmmmm

maybe

[frosty trellis]

Shrug I swear one of you devs mentioned that here at some point

Making all of that stuff just bestiary entries

[drowsy plank]

actually yharim lore book real

[swift wharf]

bestiary

[alpine dawn]

Wouldn't that be eating storage

You silly goober

[slow lodge]

hes like leviathin and anahita

can summon him whenever you have chaos state which is only hardmode i think

so idk

[alpine dawn]

Think of him as future Leviathan and Anahita

[slow lodge]

😨

[slow lodge]

and for a point hes just kinda a blockage to using chaos state

[alpine dawn]

He's just a Dungeon Guardian for the Abyss, but instead of blocking you from entering you cant teleport? Why lol??

[slow lodge]

ive always thought its supposed to be an obscure spawn method that required some thought over just click button with item

[hollow shell]

Big things are happening behind the scenes and lots of plans are changing, I'll say that much

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

I won't press

[lucid flare]

i mean technically if you're specifically using rod of discord it is "click button with item" as u have to select it tp use it, unlike normality relocator

[sinful violet]

:face_with_hand_over_mouth

[ornate kestrel]

I love how one suggestion that is approved is removing living shards and a new posted one that isn't approved yet is giving living shards another recipe to be in

[drowsy plank]

it's bc rather than trying to make the item consistent you could just remove it and replace it with something better

like how someone mentioned just

using perennial bars instead of living shards

[crude geode]

Perennial bars my beloathed

[drowsy plank]

still better than living shards plus i doubt they're dying anytime soon bc life alloy be like

[crude geode]

Just because a material is better than quite possibly the worst material in the mod doesn’t make it good

[drowsy plank]

i mean i dont like the third plant based ore as much as the next person but at least replacing living shards is a decent enough first step

[small timber]

time to replace perennial bars craft with chlorophyte + this, and use this to replace all living shards

[drowsy plank]

lol what if perennial was like, a seed dropped by plantera and you had to grow it like gemcorns

[crude geode]

Jungle already rivals fire and frost for related weapons tbh

[drowsy plank]

fair ig

doesnt help that vanilla puts so much in jungle either

[drowsy plank]

is that actually how AS works rn?

that's weird

[swift wharf]

but it's so cool when it does that

🥹

[ornate kestrel]

It seems that quite a few players want living shards removed

[unreal viper]

@distant gyro Would you happen to have killtimes for scal using auric Tesla versus Gemtech? I’m stupid so I tend to bias any dps test I do

[frosty trellis]

Isn't that like nearly impossible to get consistent results for bc crystal breaks

[hollow shell]

(balance thread preferred)

[crude geode]

[swift wharf]

what if
no!

[slow lodge]

they should exist in some capacity

[slow lodge]

yk thats true

[drowsy plank]

is is still a reversion don't if the feature only existed in uh

version 1.0.4

bc cal used to scale all the enemies and bosses but it was

Very Bad

[crude geode]

I wanna say yes just to get this sugg ❗

[small timber]

if their HP are boosted they will still be reduced to Atom

unless you are boosting them by 100% per tier which will just make challenge runs impossibly painful while do absolutely nothing in a normal playthrough

[drowsy plank]

also to be fair

enemies ARE scaled post ML a little

[small timber]

no one cares if your green slime has 500HP or 5000 HP

[blazing kettle]

grrrr this suggestion doesnt have proper punctuation

[swift wharf]

this

enemies won't do much even if they have 50k hp

it will just make farming annoying for example

[small timber]

unless you scale green slime damage too to be equivalent to Master FTW Giant Tortoise charge damage by which the question is "WHY"

[swift wharf]

at this point just play master tbh

[drowsy plank]

it's not like cal doesn't add assholes enemies to deal with anyway

true!!

looking at literally every profaned enemy ever

[swift wharf]

or nerf yourself

😌

[blazing kettle]

just add one bs enemy to every biome, like a scorn eater for every biome

[swift wharf]

the entirety of hardmode jungle:

[drowsy plank]

someone remind me to ping rover about this if it isn't flagged by tomorrow lmao

[blazing kettle]

isnt saying stuff like "self explainitory" a dont

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[crude geode]

@dapper coral "self explanatory" sugg

[dapper coral]

hm

@unreal orbit try not to use "self explanatory" in your suggestions, even if it might seem obvious you should spell it out for the reader

[drowsy plank]

i mean
we also. DO have enemy scaling already

so im not sure what this is asking for

[lavish condor]

Doesn't Cal remove it?

[drowsy plank]

no?

not expert scaling, it nerfs it a bit sure, but it's mostly just bees having like 300 damage or something

[lavish condor]

Ah read the changelogs a while back and thought it was completely removed

[unreal orbit]

fixed

[dapper coral]

mm

okay so thats better, i think you can get rid of the "just a thought" as wel, and also provide a little reasoning for the boss scaling thing, and then we should be good to go

[royal tapir]

Yeah it does

[unreal orbit]

maybe boost defensive values too

[unreal orbit]

ok

[lavish condor]

I do feel like the between-bosses part of the game in Cal is made near completely trivial in all stages pre-ML

[unreal orbit]

fixed

[dapper coral]

okey dokey

[unreal orbit]

yay

[frosty trellis]

Isn't sus bean getting removed?

Also sus bean has a purpose: Fast falling underwater

[crude geode]

first I've heard of it

[drowsy plank]

i thought sus bean was donor

[serene tendon]

True, but that's very niche

[serene tendon]

Dev

[hollow shell]

Never heard of sus bean getting removed nor have I heard of bean falling faster underwater

[cobalt pewter]

sus bean is a dedicated item

[drowsy plank]

so not possible

[hollow shell]

Not donor, but dedicated.

[cobalt pewter]

there ain't no way in hell it's removed

rework is def more plausible

[drowsy plank]

bean falls in water while the other two float

[hollow shell]

neat.

[frosty trellis]

Bean doesn't fall faster in water
It's a slime mount that can fall in water

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Yeah sorry that's what I meant too, worded it poorly

[cobalt pewter]

the other slime mounts might need to be looked at first before bean can be properly changed ig

slime is useful the entire god damn game

[small timber]

Doesnt susjelly alresdy jump higher or something?

[frosty trellis]

Bean currently just sucks after the nerf because it's only use is falling faster while getting to the lower layers of the abyss
I just use saddle otherwise

[frosty trellis]

Literally

[small timber]

Oh right when it is gotten now, just aureus?

[drowsy plank]

i also use saddle but you can also just use the 's' key lmfao

[frosty trellis]

I just bonked one of ares's weapons while doing an enforcer only exos fight and accidentally iframe bonked through a blender beam

[cobalt pewter]

that doesn't increase max speed, just increases the acceleration

[small timber]

S key have capped fall speed so slime mount still have its purpose

[frosty trellis]

Just Aureus and it's a worse pillion and saddle

[frosty trellis]

Yes but I need more speed sometimes

[small timber]

Make it have higher ground walking speed

Therr boom immediately usable

[frosty trellis]

Or just random iframe bonk through BLENDER for no reason

[cobalt pewter]

you can go down with slime faster than anything else in the game

[frosty trellis]

Pretty much yeah

[cobalt pewter]

with little to no hitbox change

while bean fattens you up

[frosty trellis]

It's like a pyukumuku: Absolutely dogshit

[small timber]

Remove slime mount return to sabaton

[drowsy plank]

all im saying is how do you really differentiate the saddles

lmao

[crude geode]

@serene tendon mentioning it's previous nature seems unnecessary

[cobalt pewter]

make sabaton great

[drowsy plank]

are we still getting the alt boots

[cobalt pewter]

why differentiate when you can murder :D

it's a fucking preboss mount

[frosty trellis]

Sabaton?

[drowsy plank]

can't kill a donor item and the other two are vanilla

[frosty trellis]

KS is a boss so

[drowsy plank]

preboss boss drop

[crude geode]

pizza forgetting that ks is a boss

[cobalt pewter]

shut ip

[crude geode]

be smarter

[frosty trellis]

*Dev

[drowsy plank]

right right

[cobalt pewter]

the other 2 can definitely be killed

[crude geode]

devs are donors if you consider their time/work as donations 🤔

[drowsy plank]

??? they're vanilla items. we can't kill bladed glove or bloody machete, unless you mean nerfing them into the ground but like

do any of yall really need fast fall in preHM

[crude geode]

infernum fans ferns might

[cobalt pewter]

killed as in

made irrelevant

bladed glove and bloody machete are already irrelevant

[drowsy plank]

infernum isn't vanilla they have no rights /s

[crude geode]

this is so true

[frosty trellis]

Makes getting down my hellevator quicker

[drowsy plank]

why do we need to make an item most people enjoy irrelevant

[crude geode]

ah yes I love killing the only relevant drop from king slime, very good

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[crude geode]

(slime gun is a myth)

[drowsy plank]

slimy saddle is already bar useless in preHM, at least rn it's fun to use later in the game

the last thing we need is to make more mounts shit

[crude geode]

TRUE

[drowsy plank]

horses be like

[frosty trellis]

LITERALLY

Unicorn mount getting nerfed in 2.0 saddens me so much

[crude geode]

buff other mounts instead of making the like 2 useful ones useless

[small timber]

Just make ninja armor not shit

The slime immune or whatever do have its niche if you get it before exploring jungle since it make you immune to jungle spike slime

[cobalt pewter]

I don't mind mount buffs but

the slime type mounts killed any variety in having fall speed equipment in a normal* loadout

*shut up fallgodders

[small timber]

Ninja armor is literally use tin greaves and you get half the armor set bonus

[cobalt pewter]

ninja armor buff would be nice

[drowsy plank]

i mean there's three of them and also like. what other fall speed equipment is there

[crude geode]

no it didn't lol. pressing s is what did that

(sabaton will not be great if we nerf everything else)

[drowsy plank]

can someone please tell me what other fall speed items there are besides mounts and sabaton

[small timber]

Fallspeed loadout when aerospec (shit stats) and sabaton (cooldown when press S to fall now exist), but yeah they are just sad

Or normality relocator and exoblade but yeah they are way further

Portal gun hold too I guess

[crude geode]

exo blade as a fall item

[small timber]

Exo blade makes you fall faster/same speed as slime mount if you hit with the dash

Keyword: hit

And the boss you use it against is scal

[crude geode]

I just like you putting an endgame massive crafting tree weapon on the same tier as

portal gun

[small timber]

Just make gravity globe have free up/fall speed at the expense of wing flight time instead of its garbage gravity flip effect

[crude geode]

are we just talking about bad accessories now

[drowsy plank]

we always are you just dont realize it

[crude geode]

trueeee

but back to the original sugg, yeah current sussy slime mount is kinda. pointless

[small timber]

what if give suspicious jelly bean a random useless effect to distinguish it
like, press S to hover

[drowsy plank]

honestly if it was just made the same size as the other mounts it'd be fine

[small timber]

oh wait pilton did it already

[drowsy plank]

i think functioning in water is a perfectly distinguishable trait considering it's based on a water type mon anyway, unless you wanna give it a thorns effect too, but at this point we're just slapping dinky effects on it to call it something else

frankly the only issue bean has is being bigger for no reason. we already have like 8 different horse mounts that are almost identical so like

[unreal orbit]

whats wrong with my suggestion?

[drowsy plank]

im getting mixed responses but im 99% sure enemies already scale at the beginning of hardmode and post-ML respectively

and if they don't, then they did previously which would make it a reversion suggestion which would break the rules anyway lmao

if ur curious i mean

[small timber]

didnt explain why it need to happen basically

as stated, no one care if green slime have 500 or 5000 or 50000 hp

[unreal orbit]

but how was he able to put ❗ He's not a admin

[drowsy plank]

well i mean it does have an explination now but id like to point out we already have this regardless

who

[small timber]

bug I think maybe

[unreal orbit]

@short walrus

why did you put an explanation mark on it you're not an admin

[small timber]

but yeah the ! should had been put by an admin I assume

[drowsy plank]

oh my god wait did someone else react to it but when it was removed it didnt remove his

[crude geode]

most likely yes

[drowsy plank]

that's so fucking funny

[small timber]

or something like packet loss and when the ! was removed scorn clicked it at the sametime

[unreal orbit]

@dapper coral sorry for the Ping but someone who is not an admin reacted to my message with an ❗

[drowsy plank]

explanation mark

[small timber]

if scorn didn't end up removing it I think just repost the suggestion, might be faster

[dapper coral]

i didnt even know that was possible

ok well i killed it

[unreal orbit]

ty

[dapper coral]

i couldve sworn people werent even able to react to those unless they were mods or similar

but alas

[crude geode]

they shouldn't be able to

pisscord happened likely

[dapper coral]

they werent on the react list when i removed thtem all the first time

[drowsy plank]

oh right they're changing the font for discord this week, considering how most of their updates go i wouldnt be suprised if something else broke

[dapper coral]

but oh well

[cobalt pewter]

since the new suggbot I think anyone could react once a mod puts a reaction

[crude geode]

yeah, there just has to be a reaction first

[dapper coral]

hm.

maybe it hsouldnt do that.

[cobalt pewter]

nycro summoning ritual

[dapper coral]

@hollow shell @inland saddle

check above, seems like the old functionality where normal users could not react to suggs at all was not implemented with nycros bot

[inland saddle]

They should only be able to add reactions that already exist

[dapper coral]

right, thats what they can do right now

[cobalt pewter]

yeah in this case demik originally reacted, and some others joined it

and after the sugg person changed their sugg, demik removed theirs but other reactions were still there

[dapper coral]

previously they could not add them ever

[small timber]

most likely this yeah, like I can't add reaction at all

[dapper coral]

like, if they reacted on top of a mod react, it was auto removed

[small timber]

oh

[inland saddle]

Oh I was unaware that was a thing

But it’s easily addable

[hollow shell]

That shouldn't matter at all though

[dapper coral]

i think that was a thing

its been a couple years

[inland saddle]

There should be a button to remove all of a certain reaction I think

So it shouldn’t really matter

[hollow shell]

Who cares if a sugg has 1 exclam or 200 exclams, if the bot is only checking for whether the reaction is on there at all

[inland saddle]

Adding more !’s doesn’t change anything yeah

[dapper coral]

right, but then if a packet whatever issue occurs like it did today then someone's sugg gets restricted for no reason

thats what im referring to

[inland saddle]

Interesting

Is there a button to remove all reactions of a certain type?

[dapper coral]

yea

er, wait. i dont know if its for a certain type or ALL of them

[inland saddle]

Using that should prevent any shenanigans from happening because it sends everything to discord to handle

Uhhhh

[dapper coral]

okay nope just checked its for all of them

[inland saddle]

Try using it on desolate

I think there are 2 buttons

Maybe?

Idk lol

[dapper coral]

non

[inland saddle]

Okay I suppose I can add it in lol

[dapper coral]

not seeing any other option other than to manually delete them

its not like high priority at all lol

[inland saddle]

I know discord bots can do it so I figured it might exist for users too

[dapper coral]

but its just a thing to prevent that hopefully-rare occurrence

[inland saddle]

But it will only take like 5 seconds to add to the bot it’s not a big deal at all lol

[dapper coral]

ty

[drowsy plank]

why not just restrict non-mods to not be able to react in that channel

[inland saddle]

Discord limitation

[drowsy plank]

it's not like we need to be able to lmao

[dapper coral]

i think theres a weird perm thing yeah

[inland saddle]

Users already can’t create new reactions

We can’t prevent them from adding already existing reactions

[ashen warren]

cant you just remove all reactions on the message when you unexclaim

[drowsy plank]

oh wait right, but you can always add on

[inland saddle]

Wait

LOL

[drowsy plank]

forgot about that

[inland saddle]

Yeah you’re right there aren’t any other reactions in that channel

I mean there’s 🗜️

But the bot handles that one entirely by itself

[ashen warren]

ye

[inland saddle]

Even if it gets removed the bot will add it back

[ashen warren]

thats what i do with infermains suggestions when (un)exclaiming them

[dapper coral]

no thats what i did

99 times out of 100 it should work that way

but on the off chance that discord does a stupid and lets someone react at the moment that i get rid of them, it doesnt show up on my end because i got rid of htem but its still there

[inland saddle]

[dapper coral]

i love this platform

[inland saddle]

It’s not an issue to add lol

[ashen warren]

oh i see

thats funny

[crude geode]

Pisscord

Clearly we should just ban users who react in #suggestions-posting

[frosty trellis]

Time to get banned

[versed cape]

Holy shite its toasty and nycro

[lucid flare]

someone show this guy the changelog from idk the draedon update where enemies' scaling got nerfed because it sucked so much

[swift wharf]

already discussed

[lucid flare]

i'm aware i just wanted to throw in my 2 cents

[golden sonnet]

I really like the duality between "remove terrashards", and "add terrashards to more things"

[drowsy plank]

i understand the logic behind add terra shards to the vanilla terra items, but also they are stupid and should not exist

[swift wharf]

watch as the toilet suggestion gets delivered, giving more awareness to the shards and making them get removed

[crude geode]

Would be funny

[swift wharf]

classic case of "nerf weapon → remove it right after"

[drowsy plank]

hilarious

[frail mantle]

@hushed topaz

[frail mantle]

@bronze furnace explain why

[bronze furnace]

for my friend

his favorite thing is ants

[frail mantle]

you'll need more reasoning than that

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Why would it benefit the mod as a whole to have ants?

[bronze furnace]

because they can go into your ear canal.

[frosty trellis]

That sounds awful what

[bronze furnace]

that happened to my friend

[worthy lintel]

dude joined 9 minutes ago don't expect too much

off to a bad start already

[bronze furnace]

i joined this server in august

[worthy lintel]

you're lying to someone that has access to join logs

ill let you go if you admit it was a joke sugg

anyways

[bronze furnace]

yes

ive been in here for months tho

[silver flax]

i think ants would be a great idea i mean there so many diffrent types of ants "blue ants fire ants bullett ants red ants black ants."

[drowsy plank]

how long until these guys get banned because of another "joke"

i give it a week

[frosty trellis]

?

[worthy lintel]

ok then discord is having a massive stroke

[frosty trellis]

Huh

Is there any other instance of him joining?

[worthy lintel]

none lmao the history is barren, great app

[bronze furnace]

that might be because i barely accepted the rules to chat

[worthy lintel]

fair enough

no one really reads them anyways

[frosty trellis]

Hey.... I read them....

[worthy lintel]

[crude geode]

Hey look it’s no one

[frosty trellis]

Ouch....

[worthy lintel]

damn man

that one was raw

😔

[crude geode]

Anyways debating if I wanna do a sugg regarding some of the terra weapons’ recipes

Cuz they are very funny

[frosty trellis]

I just wonder what the devs where thing when deciding the ranger Terra weapon
"What should the ranger terra weapon be... Oh ofc, a flamethrower"

Not like there wasn't already two excellent flamethrowers already

[slow lodge]

you do get access to the elf melter at that exact same stage of progression

it may be a bit more difficult but its still there