suggestions-discussion

[small timber]

because they are not supposed to be overtuned

[swift wharf]

infernum green slime.....

[ruby plover]

Regular enemies are just…. Regular enemies

[small timber]

requiring 100 hits to kill a green slime instead of 2 hits doesn't suddenly make green slime the most interesting enemy in the mod, it is just frustrating and time wasting

[sand ermine]

infernum mouse

[swift wharf]

infernum mouse

very infernous rat

[prisma flax]

i dunno you guys
i had more fun exploring in early and mid game where enemies punched harder
it made you more focused on the game
they don't have to be tanky as hell or have 100 special attacks
i just think it's weird that you can ignore enemies all together. at some point they become pebble. a clutter. an endless source of irrelevant trash in your bags

like, take a jungle vine monster
don't remember what's his name
man eater or smth
in calamity his contact damage is irrelevant. you can keep digging even if you see it
in ftw you gotta deal with the guy first before you can proceed
it's kinda... you know, an explorative gameplay

[swift wharf]

so if the issue is enemies being weak

why rework the entire banner system

[edgy sundial]

then take off your accessories and armor and don't use heart crystals. there's your "explorative" gameplay, and you don't even need to wait for it to get added to a mod

[sand ermine]

just dont wear armor when fighting enemies

[prisma flax]

yeah, rn i'm discussing it without relevance to the banner suggestion

[small timber]

then you can just install this mod and reduce your own max HP by 50% and give yourself a -50% damage nerf

that is exactly what legendary difficulty does: enemy have x2 stats from expert

[prisma flax]

hm, i'll check it out
thanks

[swift wharf]

byeah this is kind of an issue with terraria itself

and fixing it by scaling enemy stats would be a bad idea

[small timber]

calamity did intentionally nerfed a ton of the enemies that deal way too high damage

oh you mean that

[swift wharf]

ye

and those nerfs are deserved

[small timber]

things like these yeah

[prisma flax]

i played vanilla legendary zenith for a bit
it's certainly tedious and intentionally unfair, but with a more adequate scaling it could be much more fun than it was

[swift wharf]

remix:

[cobalt pewter]

fun fact: legendary mode Rune Wizard deals 1066 dmg on contact

[neat linden]

It does what

[short walrus]

fucking

wahat

[neat linden]

Stat bloat is dumb typically but this is just

[cobalt pewter]

vanilla is funky

I love the game, but man

[frail mantle]

600 contact damage in master + legendary mode scaling

i stand by that master wouldn't have been quite so ass if base enemy stats weren't already so stupid

[cobalt pewter]

little correction, seems like that funky scaling is inherited from for the worthy

[frail mantle]

yeah

legendary mode is i think master + 50%

[swift wharf]

hey guys it's not an insta kill so i t's balanced

[inner anvil]

Insert Jerma's Meatgrinder analogy.

[austere cargo]

I've noticed it's kind of weird giant clam gets a relic when it's not much of a boss

or at least, the pre-hardmode one isn't

[short walrus]

rework with the sunken sea update

wait.

[austere cargo]

also would anyone else like its boss HP bar not to appear whenever it exists in the sunken sea?

perhaps mark it on the map but only show the HP bar when aggro'd

[short walrus]

could suggest that

[austere cargo]

ok, will write it up. figured I should check here first

[serene tendon]

Tbh I like the idea of adrenaline being a defensive tool, not an offensive one. Rage for dealing more damage, Adrenaline for taking more damage. Plus it makes sense when you put the 2 into a real life perspective.

[grim tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/bedman-guilty-gear-wake-up-good-morning-gif-20848123

I need no test to tell adrenaline is broken as shit

I have a boatload of hw and also just literally woke up. So I’ll take a look when i can

Although next week my schedule seems extremely busy as well

I’ll try to do what i can

[cobalt pewter]

good sugg

[drowsy plank]

i always liked the health bar sort of signifying that it spawned

i think if it was removed until it was woken up, clam might be worth getting a subtle noise to let players know it spawned from far away

since it's pretty easy to overlook on the map

also how is that banner sugg not flagged yet

[stable kiln]

bruh

[umbral sonnet]

What if it applied a debuff that absorbed all damage, but after adrenaline it gave it all back to you over a span of like 5 seconds

Like how adrenaline makes pain feel like it didn’t happen, even tho it did

[frosty trellis]

Adren facetanking
Dies

[umbral sonnet]

It’s fair, it’s basically saying you technically can’t die during this period of time, but that doesn’t mean you can’t face tank everything

[stable musk]

H

[frosty trellis]

Okay but blood pact

So that would just break it

[umbral sonnet]

No cuz they proc on critical hit

This would. E considered a debuff

It absorbs the damage as a straight number

And then re distributes it after adrenaline is over

It makes adrenaline less of a, yo, you got 1 shot while adrenaline was active? Too bad, into a hey you wen without getting hit for 90 seconds or whatever, you can’t die for the next like 10 seconds

[blazing kettle]

this feels similar to the adrenaline "grace period" but more extreme

[umbral sonnet]

?

[serene tendon]

Honestly that is taking the realism too far imo, just make adrenaline exclusively a DR boost

[umbral sonnet]

No, the whole point of adrenaline is supposed to be a reward for not getting hit, if you gave it more dr resist then that makes true melee even more powerful

The whole point of my Idea is that you still take damage, but you also get to use your dog boost to the full

Dmg*

[serene tendon]

Yeah, if you don't get hit for a bit you "charge" your defensive capabilities. Seems just fine to me

[umbral sonnet]

You still are ignoring the fact that true melee is already buffed into existence as it is

Buffed out of existence*

It’s offensive capability’s are ridiculous

And mor dr is just buffing it even more

[serene tendon]

The loss of Adrenaline's damage boost more than makes up for that

[umbral sonnet]

No it doesn’t,

If anyone wants an easy play through they only have to play true melee

[serene tendon]

Yeah it does, because True Melee with Adrenaline damage is extremely good, much more so than a second or so of nigh-invincibility

[swift wharf]

make adrenaline an accessory gimmick

[umbral sonnet]

No

We

We

[drowsy plank]

adren is now stress pill exclusive

[umbral sonnet]

Ew*

[swift wharf]

based

another stress pill w

[serene tendon]

No, it's balanced due to having to get close.

[swift wharf]

and then heart of darkness for rage

[serene tendon]

Trust me, I'd know

[drowsy plank]

ez

[serene tendon]

Why

[swift wharf]

why not

[drowsy plank]

bc funny

[umbral sonnet]

No it’s not, the range of most true melee weapons is huge, you only have to get super close pre hard mode

[serene tendon]

PHM is like one third of the game

[swift wharf]

no it's not

it's way more

[umbral sonnet]

Yet true melee is broken the whole game

[drowsy plank]

"it's balanced by needing to get close" mfs when i show them the like 30 second kill time barracuda gun gets on moon lord

[swift wharf]

anyways me when true melee weapons on regular prehm enemies

[drowsy plank]

it's funny because vanilla is like this too now

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

with the terra blade line reworks

[serene tendon]

Bruh

[swift wharf]

and weapons being slightly bigger in 1.4.4.9

[drowsy plank]

yeah

also true melee isn't broken literally every class trivializes standard enemies after like

5 minutes

[umbral sonnet]

True melee is broken

It is ridiculous

[drowsy plank]

it really isn't

[umbral sonnet]

It really is tho

[serene tendon]

How much have you even played with it?

[umbral sonnet]

Yes

[drowsy plank]

have you tried using a bow

[swift wharf]

pre nerf feller 🥹

[drowsy plank]

feller of evergreens isnt real

[umbral sonnet]

Ranged is easiest class, but truemelee is most broken

[drowsy plank]

wake up

[umbral sonnet]

Most classes have their ups and downs, true melee just stays good the whole game

[drowsy plank]

true melee mfs when they have to hit a boss that stays a set distance away from them

[serene tendon]

All classes have good weapons at all stages of the game. True Melee may, however, be the only subclass that is good at all points in the game

[drowsy plank]

does true melee even count as a subclass at this point

[serene tendon]

Apart from guns

[umbral sonnet]

Biome blade

Also

Certain bosses move slower while the player is holding a true melee weapon

[drowsy plank]

that's like calling ark true melee

they literally have projectiles

[umbral sonnet]

Biome blade is considered a true melee weapon

[serene tendon]

Yeah. It's affected by normal Melee buffs AND true melee buffs. This is exactly like how the shroomite helms are

[drowsy plank]

cool i think we should kill true melee distinctions

we don't need four types of melee damage

[umbral sonnet]

We don’t

We have true melee and melee

[serene tendon]

I'd be fine either way on that one tbh

[drowsy plank]

actually

[serene tendon]

And yoyos

[umbral sonnet]

I’m fine that true melee is the way it is

[drowsy plank]

we have melee, melee with melee speed, true melee, and true melee with melee speed

internally in the code

[umbral sonnet]

I just don’t want to buff it more

[drowsy plank]

it's very cool :)))))

[umbral sonnet]

Wait what

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's how it works now

[umbral sonnet]

Also true melee should exist it just shouldn’t be buffed more

[frosty trellis]

I counter you with Last Mourning and Lion Heart are dogshit

@umbral sonnet

[serene tendon]

There are other weapons at that point

Like the Bandit's weapons for Rogue

[frosty trellis]

You said true melee

Lion Heart and The Last Mourning are so bad for DoG and OD

[serene tendon]

Oh, my bad

Thought Lion Heart was Lionfish

sorry

[frosty trellis]

Nah

It's cool

Most people forget Lion Heart exists

DoG for true melee is nightmarish

Yharon sucks but at least The Enforcer is ridiculous

[umbral sonnet]

While true DoG is night mare for most classes in master death, also most people don’t do true melee first time through

[frosty trellis]

Master-Death isn't what anything is balanced around

Master can just be ignored in any case regardless

[umbral sonnet]

Not really

[frosty trellis]

Besides true melee all classes has fantastic options

[frosty trellis]

Yes because the devs aren't going to do anything with master

[umbral sonnet]

True melee doesn’t need buffs is the point

[frosty trellis]

The Last Mourning and Lion Heart shouldn't be absolute dogshit though

That's the point

Like, all classes have fantastic options for DoG except true melee
Normal Melee? Terror Blade and Neptune's Bounty
Ranger? Halley's Inferno and Septic Skewer
Mage? Victriolic Vipor and Eidolon Staff
Summoner? Sirius and Etherial Subjugator
Rogue? Wave Pounder for Stealth, Ghoulish Gouger for Spam

[umbral sonnet]

I used last mourning for DoG dude

It’s not that bad

Also fetid emesis is the superior old duke ranger drop

[frosty trellis]

Even with Luminite Bullets that just wrong LOL

[umbral sonnet]

Nah

[frosty trellis]

Septic is fucking wild

[umbral sonnet]

Fetid with luminite makes the fight a joke

[frosty trellis]

Fetid is powerful don't get me wrong

But it's slower

I will go do some tests rn to prove that

And to prove that The Last Mourning isn't good

[tardy geyser]

mourning isnt very good, like i felt that that gilded probiscis is the best true melee weapon until post dog just because of the healing and you can atleast attack below yourself

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Gilded or Holy Collider are great
Mourning sucks

Lion Heart is worse

[umbral sonnet]

? I used last mourning, it took an hour or 2 but it was fine

[drowsy plank]

didnt we already do test for that tier lmfao

[umbral sonnet]

I won’t disagree with lion heart tho

[tardy geyser]

dogs acceleration when switching aggression modes has been lowered a lot since i did true melee but i felt that that was the worst part of the fight

[frosty trellis]

Yes I've literally tested Last Mourning

[umbral sonnet]

It is Garbo

?? Last mourning wasn’t bad for me

[frosty trellis]

Lemme load up T.Mod and grab my tester gear + Warbanner and show you that it's bad

[sullen swan]

i used holy collider for dog

[frosty trellis]

Holy Collider is probably far better

Holy Collider is actually wild

[sullen swan]

if you do it right you can take up to 20% of his hp in one go

and can instantly end his second phas with adrenaline

[frosty trellis]

Well okay with testing we don't take into account rippers

[umbral sonnet]

Wait what

Dude

Is holy collider actually that good

[frosty trellis]

Holy Collider is wild

[sullen swan]

yes

[umbral sonnet]

That would have been nice to know

[sullen swan]

celestial shell + fire gauntlet + hide of deus = lmao

[frosty trellis]

I was going to go war banner over HOAD but fair

[sullen swan]

hoad is essentially a free true melee ripper

[frosty trellis]

Assuming I get hit

But yeah

[sullen swan]

since melee already has tons of defense so you can take a few hits

[frosty trellis]

War Banner is just up to 20% Damage/Speed/T.Melee damage

Which is wild

[sullen swan]

but if you are too skilled warbanner is better

[frosty trellis]

I tend to be very good at DoG overall

[umbral sonnet]

It took me an hour to get warbanner thanks to bad ring

Rng*

[frosty trellis]

Last Mourning first, then Collider @umbral sonnet @sullen swan

DoG is supposed to be a 4 minute fight but it takes fucking forever in phase 2
Even with just trying to circle and murdering the tail it's not going well
And the fact you could compare these two despite being two tiers apart is bad

I've already told Xyk, the melee tester, about them so yeah

Told Xyk about Mourning and Lion Heart awhile back

[sullen swan]

i want to do a test but my computer permanently runs on 30% speed

[frosty trellis]

The body lasers suck

For t.melee these days

[sullen swan]

they aren’t even lasers by then

just mines

[frosty trellis]

But yeah just doing some simple math can show you neither of these would get you 4 minutes
It would get you over
And this is playing aggressive

[umbral sonnet]

like i said

it took a while

[small timber]

I remember fetid is just not super good unless you are on a relatively glassy build due to how it scales

Which do fit the narrative of why you want adrenaline to be a invincibility instead

Maybe this moment

Because no, you dont need adrenaline to give you invincibility, when the current adrenaline + true melee just phase most bosses out of existence

[umbral sonnet]

dude

did u read the original text?

[small timber]

^

At what point of the game do you get one shot

The only 1 close is DoG's head

And that is the only case in like the entire game

Unless you count AEW

[umbral sonnet]

no

[umbral sonnet]

this is it

[small timber]

So after nohitting for 30 seconds you get a buff that is essentially useless?

[umbral sonnet]

no

[small timber]

Because continuous healing is not a thing in this mod

[umbral sonnet]

its literally just so you can get full usage out of adrenaline

[small timber]

You will just take a bunch of damage and dies out of that 5 seconds, instead of during the period you use adrenaline

[umbral sonnet]

?

you technically still take the damagfe

its just not actually distributed until after adren is over

[small timber]

Yes,unless the damage taken is reduced it will be useless

[umbral sonnet]

its still reduced

[small timber]

Then what is the difference between this and just give a bunch of DR

It is just a really fancy way to give the player DR where at the end it achieved the same thing

[umbral sonnet]

because a bunch of DR makes it so that you take less damage

no

??

if you added 15% more dr

and if you did this

[small timber]

If you dont take less damage with your version of adrenalinr it WILL be useless

[umbral sonnet]

you take less damage with more dr

[umbral sonnet]

you still get the current dr

but adding more dr is bad

[small timber]

Then there is no difference betwern having your fancy delayed damage mechanic than just give the player the DR straight away

[umbral sonnet]

no

there is

the whole point is you get to use the whole adrenaline

[small timber]

Rather than having the player dying after adrenaline when it ie over because they have no idea how much damage they took

[umbral sonnet]

???

it applys a debuff

[cobalt pewter]

just make adrenaline a timestop smh

peak jojo reference

[umbral sonnet]

that would be a funny accessory

[novel belfry]

i would like it

[ornate kestrel]

Doesn't Fargo's soul mod have something that does that

[unborn siren]

Draft:

Make the start of the schematics and codebreaker questline more intuitive

It's currently all too easy for the player to miss the sunken sea lab when killing giant clam for the first time, or not knowing what to do with the planetoid schematic after getting it before the sunken sea schematic. One Idea I have to fix this is:

• Lock the sunken sea chest until Desert Scourge is defeated, since you generally kill them before entering the sunken sea anyway. Killing DS for the first time would also send something like "You hear a chest unlock in a lab below the desert" in the chat, or just some way of letting the player know that the sunken sea lab exists and that it should be visited. This would tell the player that they should look for something in the sunken sea, and help them get the first piece.
• In the tooltip of the Sunken Sea Schematic, it could mention that the player should probably place down some Power cell factories, which could help with the problem of players not starting to generate any cells until right before Exo mechs, then having to afk for hours to get enough.
• Each schematic would also unlock the recipe for the seeker to find the next lab (so sunken sea schematic would unlock planetoid seeker, planetoid schematic would unlock jungle seeker, etc) so the player can easily see where to go next, and how they can find the way there.
  just by making a few simple changes, it could be a lot easier for players to go through the schematics throughout their playthrough, or at least help avoid forcing the player to afk for hours because they only bothered with the codebreaker stuff at the end.

that look good?

[frozen hornet]

It might be better if the other chests besides the sunken sea is locked instead

Say you have to craft a security card to unlock the planetoid chest and the recipe for it is unlocked by the sunken sea schematic

[swift wharf]

[unborn siren]

oh yeah

good idea

[swift wharf]

no

Yes lock the planetoid cheat that will have no issue whatsoever

[unborn siren]

different idea

just lock the lab seeker behind the schematic before that lab

[swift wharf]

Everything would be fixed by giving the player a seeking mechanism early

wait can't you find those in chests

[unborn siren]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

not bad

[unborn siren]

and they're really easy to craft

[cobalt pewter]

would rather have it apply to every other lab than just planetoid

[swift wharf]

or making the lab gen less scuffed

idk having to unlock all lab chests sounds annoying

the suggestion title is about the start of the quest, why lock everything else?

[unborn siren]

made a small edit

[swift wharf]

and do we really have to babysit the player to know how power cells work

we give them the factory, the charger and an item that can be charged

[unborn siren]

yes

it's happened way too many times where a player doesn't bother with any draedon stuff until post Yharon

and then has to wait a year for enough power cells

[swift wharf]

cant you just farm the dudes

[unborn siren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225030931008847874/950570120974073886/charleton.gif

[swift wharf]

the robot critter that spawn in the labs

[unborn siren]

nobody wants to farm them they're cute

[swift wharf]

anyways it's very hard to miss the labs until yharon

[unborn siren]

yes
but it's easy to miss the lab questline until Yharon

[swift wharf]

sure I know how it works, but even without bias, it's not hard to follow

and why even lock the chest until DS is fought

it's not like you're able to even get there

[unborn siren]

so that the message of a chest unlocking makes sense

[swift wharf]

just
mention the lab itself....?

It's like saying "dungeon chests are now unlocked" after killing skeletron

[unborn siren]

ok made an edit about how that's just one idea for how to mention labs post DS

[frozen hornet]

Obviously not all the chests

Just the ones with the schematics

[swift wharf]

doesn't the schematic already tell you what it needs to decode it

[frozen hornet]

It does yes

[swift wharf]

so?

[frozen hornet]

Idk they're the one suggesting

[swift wharf]

and the part about locking the sunken sea chests is still there

[hollow shell]

byeah no reason to lock the chest early, in fact that'll harm people's discovery of the process if they find the Sea lab before killing DS

You can have the status message with no lock

Also the lab chests are already guaranteed to contain seekers that lead to the next lab in the sequence

[jagged zealot]

So, a suggestion was made to have the sunken/sulphric chests locked until desert scourge was beaten? Wouldn't they feel less like wanting to get it after they beat scourge though? I could be wrong and updates may have changed things, but I personally like handling bosses like I do the crim/corr: Get their loot or the biome loot associated (direct or indirect) with them, THEN fight them. I want to get all the best pre-hm boss tier available, then fight the very first boss and go from there. Call be an over preparer, but I like having the edge on a boss, especially EoC for a no hit run in expert, where he dashes at you almost unpredictable pattern.

I mean, I get having new loot unlocked post X boss, but idk about those chests.

[hollow shell]

Wh

[jagged zealot]

Talking about sunken sea chests

[hollow shell]

Yes the suggestion in question is still in #suggestions-posting

[jagged zealot]

and I was disagreeing with the lock aspect. I want to unlock it pre-boss. I go out of my way to get it.

[hollow shell]

Cool

@unborn siren then

(just felt weird to receive a long elaborate reply that was in support of my statement, without prefacing it with "I agree")

[unborn siren]

i'll specify that I just mean that killing DS should mention the sunken sea lab in some way

made the edit

[jagged zealot]

Sorry, I just like to give my reasons why I like to agree/disagree, for many reasons, one being that I want people to understand WHY I feel the way I do, and not me mindlessly agreeing/disagreeing for the sake of it. And I feel it's more engaging this way.

[swift wharf]

Actually this gives me an even better idea

Make giant clam drop the sunken sea seeker

[jagged zealot]

That

does sound interesting

[swift wharf]

as shrimple as that

which makes way more sense than DS

[naive gale]

tbh if we're simplifying the codebreaker stuff, I think outright removing power cells would be a good move. They serve no purpose other than a gotcha you didn't make some now you get to wait moment. If you do have generators they're never an issue, and if you don't they're annoying as hell for no real reason(especially if you get to exo mechs without touching the thing and then find out you have to wait like an hour until you can fight the next boss)

that or they could instead be used to power up the weapons as ammo instead if you want to keep them and give them a different role instead

[hollow shell]

So
that thing they already do?

[naive gale]

I mean directly as ammo instead of doing the whole charging station stuff

which also serves no purpose other than adding a bit of tediousness to these weaps over standard ones

could just keep it the way it is but remove decoding costs too which would be fine enough

[swift wharf]

he was forced to wait one minute to charge a weapon

(it's way less than that)

[naive gale]

but why though, the weapons aren't stronger than standard weapons but have finite energy to use until you have to go and recharge them, which requires literally nothing but time. Unlike ammo, it doesn't change how the weapons perform either, it's just some weird time tax on the weapons, albeit a minor one, but the whole system is kinda pointless

imagine if you had to wait 5secs everytime you used the sharpening station because "you have to sharpen your weapons so obviously it's not instant", and like yeah but also why?

have to wait a second for healing potions to be drank, can't have them be instant

[cobalt pewter]

lowkey wouldn't mind healing potions being slightly delayed

[naive gale]

but again, can keep the weapons as is, it's the least important part

decoding costs are just detrimental

[swift wharf]

anyways the costs are literally nothing

you get too much cells

if you place like 3 factories

[naive gale]

yeah IF you setup stations to generate them, which is also why the whole thing is pointless, you never need to have any input other than "oh I'm gonna place these things because I know I'll need them later"

[swift wharf]

the effort of doing that is virtually not existing

how much lazier can you be

[naive gale]

it's not the effort god, it's people not knowing you need the stations and then getting hit by the time sink later on

[swift wharf]

then tell them that they need it???

instead of throwing the entire system out of the window

because some people forgot to set it ip

[umbral sonnet]

i just go to sky planetoid early game

break them, and replace them

by the end of the game u have plenty

[naive gale]

I don't think having a system in place which punishes people if they don't follow the instructions but doesn't reward anything is something a game needs imo, the only positive thing about it is it's "thematic", kinda

[swift wharf]

why simplify the system if you can just go by the original point of suggestion, and make it more intuitive

[naive gale]

if someone ignores/misses the message after DS though you're still in the same situation, you could say "well it's their fault" and you'd be right but that still doesn't explain why it should be this way instead of just making it simpler/removing it. Removing decoding costs alone would fix the whole "exo mech is next but I can't fight it". An alternative would be to let people make power cells with auric bars+whatever, so if you get to that point, you can just go farm some auric and get your powercells to do your decoding

[swift wharf]

[naive gale]

you keep the whole power cell stations throughout the game along with the system, but you have an out at the end of the game in case you missed the whole system

[swift wharf]

I give up

[naive gale]

this isn't an argument for people who know how it works, obviously I have no issue with the system myself I know how it works

[hollow shell]

This is a valid point I think
The charge weapons should be noticeably stronger than others on their tier, because of the increased effort required in maintaining them

(and also being a more obtuse to obtain compared to most other weapons)

[dry chasm]

Lol I placed em down cuz I thought they would look cool in my base

i have like 9k now

didn't know you could right click on the station

and was like

damn

[naive gale]

I placed them down cause that's what it said on the wiki on my first run, so yeah I never had an issue with it but some people don't read the wiki and obviously won't read the message after desert scourge or whatever small hint is added because well, people. That's why in general most games either force you to go through some shitty tutorial or put progression blocks on stuff or don't timegate stuff in a way that impacts the progress of the game. I think just adding an out at the end or removing the whole progression block part would be fine, nothing of value would be lost and you just eliminate the few edge cases of people getting stuck

[dry chasm]

the only reason I knew about it was because I have a problem where I NEED to use every single weapon even if its bad. Caught that shit from pokemon

[naive gale]

right I do that too so I end up making all the schematics weapons too

[dry chasm]

I would feel like I missed out on a portion of the game if i idin't use the mech weapons

[dry chasm]

same

[naive gale]

but you see a lot of people in the help channel ask for the best weapon and just not bother testing all the weapons themselves or even making them

[dry chasm]

yeah

I do that sometimes xD

it got worse when i fought brimstone elemental

[naive gale]

I mean at the end of the day, change or not it won't impact me, I'm just saying if some things change on that front, considering the option of entirely removing the problem rather than trying to add hints to fix it is worth considering

[dry chasm]

fair

I think I have enough power cells to last me for a while

so unless they delete my power cells

I'll be find

[naive gale]

if you have like 2 stations you will never run out of cells

[dry chasm]

Fine*

[naive gale]

1 you might depending on how fast you progress

[dry chasm]

exactly

I have three

[jagged zealot]

Make it a suggestion if you feel strongly about this. This would possibly make things easier for me.

[dry chasm]

Bro

please

I already mald on h to re use

*how long vanilla potions take to re use

hade a stroke just then

[frosty trellis]

So, basically only Wave Pounder, Plasma Grenade and Tesla Cannon follow that (Oh hey, the only good ones regardless)

[swift wharf]

hvc

[frosty trellis]

HVC is good on worms

And sucks on everything else

[swift wharf]

good thing we have a lot of worms

[small timber]

I think the concern is you have to spend the charges on all the same weapon in inventory at once

otherwise you can just have multiple copy of the same weapon (they tend to be easy to craft due to their progression limitation) and enjoy way above average performance weapon throughout the fight

[hollow shell]

Crafting multiple of the same weapon, for simultaneous usage, feels like such an alien concept
Runs counter to what you'd do under any other circumstance
I feel like it could be kept as a strategy because it's so

[grave zinc]

@short walrus - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add calamity emotes.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wary pier - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Bloody Tear spawn item appear in chests/Brimstone Crags/use resources to craft that not BM related]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Magiluminescence's (as material) and Effect to Master Ninja Gear Upgrades]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[short walrus]

oh hell yeah

[grave zinc]

@high folio - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Biome blade should keep its attunements after reforging]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@mystic umbra - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[add a toilet thats scal related]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frosty trellis]

Lame

[mystic umbra]

NOOOOO

[high folio]

Nice

[grave zinc]

@fathom aspen - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Rain Apply Wet to Enemies Under it]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[mystic umbra]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

NOOOO

[glass arch]

NOOOOOOO

[high folio]

Rip

[short walrus]

awesome

[small timber]

now that MNG suggestion get denied I can post the next controversial (likely get denied) suggestion just to gamble on the off chance it get approved :clueless:

[frosty trellis]

LOL

I mean hey, you thought c.shell re-tier would get 10 votes and it got 50 in less than a day soooo

[hollow shell]

(Ideas do exist that involve Magiluminesence and Boots)

[frosty trellis]

OH?

[small timber]

oh right I completely forgot about boots line

[frosty trellis]

Combine it with angel treds????

[hollow shell]

Funnily enough, no

[short walrus]

oo, any little secrets with the boots line?

what was the verdict about boot/wings

[frosty trellis]

Man

[mystic umbra]

probably terraspark

[devout shell]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-fall-bryan-cranston-cry-dying-gif-7619047

[mystic umbra]

or one of the tracers

[small timber]

terraspark sub-line maybe yeah

[hollow shell]

May as well say it cuz it's probably never gonna get added anyway

Alt boots line that is focused on mobility rather than generalist effects

[short walrus]

that's cool

[frosty trellis]

That would be amazing

But it would be bad bc then wings + those boots would probably be better than tracers as Wings + Angel treds are already better than seraph tracers

[mystic umbra]

well obviously wings and angel threads are better

[hollow shell]

Likely starting from Amphibian Boots, and including Magilimunescence, and won't upgrade into a wingboot
Pure speed and acceleration and handling
It will be the boot line that extends into post-ML that you can equip wings alongside

Terraspark-Angel-Seraph would be the less fast line but focuses more on shoving tons of effects into one accessory
Running, Lava wading, Wings, all in one

[mystic umbra]

it takes up 2 accessory slots

[small timber]

wings + angel treads take 2 accessory

yeah

[hot zephyr]

do not torment me with solo boot line

[mystic umbra]

so we can have either wingboots or ankhboots

[frosty trellis]

Okay but then tell me what accessories I should be using instead bc I've found wings + treds far more consistent then using tracers + a defensive accessory

[hot zephyr]

glad it's dying because it would've been a disaster

[frosty trellis]

Why tank when dodge

[mystic umbra]

wings and defensive accessory

[small timber]

I mean that is more of a personal preference

[mystic umbra]

you arent gonna be running much in fights anyway

moreso flying

[small timber]

you can always use tracer + soaring insignia or something

[glass arch]

why take less damage from getting hit when you can just not get hit

[frosty trellis]

Treds affect horizontal movement when flying

[mystic umbra]

oh what

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[small timber]

yeah, tracer is just faster (in air)

[mystic umbra]

tracer or threads

treads

oh wait nvm what am i saying

[small timber]

this is the speed comparison in air: tracer > angel treads + wings > wings

[frosty trellis]

Okay but then I lose:
Lunar wing damage
Tarragon wing defense
Elysian wings amazingness
Silva Revive buff

[small timber]

wait I thought you are using tracer + angel treads

[frosty trellis]

No no no

[hollow shell]

ah yes the added non-wing wing effects...

[frosty trellis]

Wings + Angel Treds

Far more consistent then wings + defensive or tracers + defensive

For providence at least

[glass arch]

wing bonuses my beloved

[small timber]

I mean (if the boots line get added at a date soon™️) the trade off will just be flight time vs on ground mobility (speed, control etc), but yeah

[hot zephyr]

wing bonuses ranged from neat to wildly scuffed based on progression

[mystic umbra]

me when im nohitting so i use a minmax damage setup

[hot zephyr]

they should be revised now that 1.4 kinda reworked most wing stats

[glass arch]

me when silva wings

[small timber]

silva feels nice but the other one either feel mediocre or is essential just an emblem yeah

[hot zephyr]

all of the ones tied to armor sets are kinda icky but I like the others

[small timber]

sadly things like bone wing didn't do enough yeah, the stat combination is just worse than HM ore sets

[glass arch]

i like the armor tied ones but yeah a lot of the time they arent great

[hot zephyr]

there was a few different ideas that sprung up for the solo boot line, the best one imho was the sabaton focused one

amphibian boot upgrade physically causes me pain though

[frosty trellis]

Just don't give any wings that relate to melee shit melee speed and we good

[hollow shell]

(It is within the realm of possibility that the new line literally never happens)

[small timber]

oh right Ian I think there is a chance hoverboard's wing bonus currently dont work properly

[hollow shell]

Ah yes that was the other big factor

[small timber]

soon™️ 0 copium

[hollow shell]

Boot-only line would get Sabaton, a quickfall

Along with buffing Sabaton to not be awful

[frosty trellis]

Ah yes, a quickfall
That is automatically built into 1.4

[glass arch]

i forget sabaton exists

[hollow shell]

A quickerfall

[frosty trellis]

Okay

But

[small timber]

sabaton one is essentially slime mount, though the cooldown make it wakward

[frosty trellis]

Slimmy Saddle

Just saddle

Like

[hot zephyr]

in retrospect I feel like the alt boot line would've been pretty scuffed

[frosty trellis]

Bro

[small timber]

slime mount stop momentum unless pogo (which throws you off horizontally)

[hollow shell]

Nerf saddle

[frosty trellis]

Why take up an accessory slot when a mount you get earlier on does it better and you can keep your shit

[hot zephyr]

like doubling down on how lame tracers are conceptually

[frosty trellis]

Gellantious pillion

[hollow shell]

That can be less nerfed cuz it's later

[timid bear]

Maybe and possibly

The idea of a 4th sentinel of the devourer?

[hot zephyr]

No

[frosty trellis]

No

Absolutely not

[small timber]

which is why it is (suppoedly) a boots line, so that you dont waste a slot on sabaton; boots is still useful for the majority of HM (and some post-ML)

[hollow shell]

Can't suggest new bosses

[glass arch]

sabaton needs serious buffs, a complete rework, or be removed and have its effects (minus the debuff) given to a different accessory

[timid bear]

Well

[frosty trellis]

My suggestion to rework/remove it was already passed

[small timber]

just remove its cooldown completely now that press S to fall quicker is a thing

(and most people probably will still not use it)

[glass arch]

oh it was? wow, never noticed that

[frosty trellis]

It was a few weeks ago I think

[hollow shell]

Yes that is a must

[hot zephyr]

spoiler alert; there's been concepts for sabaton buffs floating around for years they just required more effort than a small buff

[timid bear]

Storm weaver Is ranged. Ceaseless Is mage. Signus is summoner. Then where is melee?

[frosty trellis]

Ceaselus bc Mirror Blade

[hot zephyr]

pre-sequel butt-slam sabaton

[hollow shell]

They are not based on the classes

[glass arch]

ceaseless doesnt drop any mage weapons tho does it?

[hot zephyr]

they're all summoner because they summon things

[timid bear]

The materials are.

[glass arch]

isnt the only sentinel that drops a mage weapon storm weaver?

[small timber]

donor item moment

[hollow shell]

Also Signus is just as much Rogue as he is summoner, if not more so

[small timber]

and in that sense Storm Weaver is mage because its material craft into prismatic armor

[hollow shell]

I doubt melee is really suffering for options pre-DoG...

[small timber]

so yeah, don't really make a lot of sense to assign them to classes

[glass arch]

and its the only one to drop a mage weapon lmao

[hot zephyr]

they aren't class based, if they were there'd be five

post-ml also doesn't need another boss

if you think otherwise I'm appearing at your doorstep shortly

[glass arch]

true

and if they were class based there would be one specifically rogue because new cal class

which is signus but yeah

[frosty trellis]

Signus drops:
A rouge weapon + accessory
1 Summon weapon
The twisting nether is used to craft:
2 melee weapons
2 mage weapons
Ranged weapon

Weaver drops:
2 ranged weapons
A magic weapon
The stuff is used to craft:
A mage armor set
A rogue weapon
A mage weapon
3 ranged weapons

Void drops:
A melee weapon
A summoner weapon
A useless accessory
The stuff is used to craft:
Another useless accessory
6 mage weapons
A ranged weapon
A rogue weapon
A ranger accessory

[hollow shell]

Cosmilamp is a summon weapon

[frosty trellis]

OH OOPS

I mean summon

Regardless

Proves my point

It's not class based

[glass arch]

the only reason id be able to see cv as mage is because of dark plasma and even then it makes 5 on-tier mage weapons, and one shadowspec mage weapon

[frosty trellis]

Weaver is ranger
Crafts a mage armor set

[glass arch]

and sw drops a mage weapon (thunderstorm)

[frosty trellis]

Oh I am fucking dumb

[small timber]

the evolution is amazing ok

it gives +2 life regen after you dodged (for 5 seconds)

2!!!

[cobalt pewter]

Frequency Manipulator is definitely very strong no

[frosty trellis]

Half of what a cadance potion gives you!!!

Clearly cadance needs to be nerfed :clueless

[cobalt pewter]

let's fucking go

[small timber]

and of course 10x thorn effect for 1 projectile, it singlehandedly deal 8000 damage to yharon almost one shotting it

[frosty trellis]

Almost oneshotting it when it had 8001 hp left

[frosty trellis]

I should probably test that later and see

[crude geode]

glad balance discussion is leaking still

[buoyant siren]

Rip the toilet sugg got rejected

[frail mantle]

who could've seen this coming

[stable kiln]

lmao

[serene tendon]

oof

[small timber]

(I hope that is enough reasoning for something that is high effort (not sure?))

since I have no idea how hard it is to implement the ideas mentioned
also controversial suggestion no.N

[drowsy plank]

i mean there are the like

8 different clones of healing potions vanilla adds

im sure a few could be reworked to be a bit more interesting

[small timber]

Wrong channel for this

[alpine marlin]

Oh wait it is

sorry thought this was clamity chat

[small timber]

All are fine

[blazing kettle]

how do you mix this up and the obviously named calamity mod chat

[hollow shell]

very good healing potion suggestion
and is in fact something I have brought up to the devs before too

[glass arch]

i do like that suggestion

i play really glassy most of the time so it would be nice to have that extra buffer HP

[hollow shell]

leaks! except I do not care

[eternal escarp]

that would be the awesomest option

[novel belfry]

#suggestions-discussion is the based calamity mod chat

[tardy smelt]

Something something at Fryzahh

[small timber]

auric slime is listed as frequently suggested, aka they are not allowed for suggestion @cosmic zinc

• you have devourer of cods at that point, titanium crate is incredibly easy, and you can get all fishing accessories on leviathan or aquatic scourge (which is a 1 second fight at that point), and master bait you can just purchase from merchant

[cosmic zinc]

Oh I didn’t see that

[small timber]

yeah, it is at the bottom

[cosmic zinc]

[frail mantle]

@novel trellis

[novel trellis]

It hasn't worked my last few attempts at it, so I figure I'd put it in.

[drowsy plank]

yeah because the change is being implemented next update and the next update hasn't been released yet... all you're gonna do is pass a suggestion that's already implemented

[novel trellis]

Oh. Sorry.

[drowsy plank]

it's fine lol, just wanted to point out that if a mod is pinging you, it's probably for a good reason

[lucid flare]

oh, can you resubmit suggestions?

then get ready for my christmas special: "they should get rid of frost barrier" 2

[blazing kettle]

didnt they already do that

[lucid flare]

unfortunately it's still in the game

they did remove lead core and psychotic amulet however

[blazing kettle]

its just the recipe for the one item is different

thats kinda dumb

[lucid flare]

well it's just that

unless you're looking around for random accessories to fill your slots in early game

you're probably only getting f-barrier for auric tesla armor

& also it's a rare drop from an uncommon enemy

so it sucks even more than psycho amulet

[short walrus]

Kid named travelling merchant:

Unless I am very wrong

[small timber]

as long as sometime have pass yeah

(some people resubmit as soon as it didnt enter voting after 2 weeks even)

[lucid flare]

i'm probably just gonna wait until decembe

then i can get even more arguments against the existence of frost barriers

[swift wharf]

well you see

give me an argument in favor of frost barrier

[lucid flare]

well it can freeze enemies if you get hit

[swift wharf]

so useful!

[lucid flare]

also it gives immunity to the chilled debuff

not frozen or glacial state tho

[swift wharf]

warmth potions:

[lucid flare]

hand warmer:

[drowsy plank]

but 4 defense!

[swift wharf]

ironskin:

[lucid flare]

reforging to warding:

[drowsy plank]

frost barrier could be useful, but rn it's just

so bad

[lucid flare]

honestly at this point

you could probably fuse it with ornate shield

,but that would mean it (probably) would be removed from AT armor recipe (which is good)

[drowsy plank]

they're already going to do that anyway

[lucid flare]

what do you mean "they're going to do that" everyone is saying that but i have no source

[frosty trellis]

Ah yes, let's give the already overpowred Aegis line even more

[drowsy plank]

the devs had said it before but i dont have the time or effort to go find it

[swift wharf]

kill frost barrier because it's frost shield 2

[lucid flare]

asgards valor on its way to become even more OP by having chilled immunity

[small timber]

frost barrier is an incredibly useful item if you get it preboss, right after you build your first 2 houses for guide and 120 max hp nurse and a travelling merchant arrive that sell you that exact item, and you have the money to buy it 👍

[swift wharf]

extremely powerful

must be nerfed

[frosty trellis]

So basically never

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

don't use it on bosses though, there is a chance you freeze the boss after they contact damage you which might cause them to stuck in your hitbox and hit you twice

[drowsy plank]

i mean. it already does considering ankh has chilled immunity

[lucid flare]

LMAO I FORGOT THAT

that's even funnier

[swift wharf]

another reason to kill frost barrier 😍

[frosty trellis]

So it's bad

[lucid flare]

i put that in the suggestion i made and i forgot about it

[frosty trellis]

Really Bad

[lucid flare]

peak lvii performancé

[glass arch]

should armored digger be removed?

[swift wharf]

just move the glacial state to frozen shield

we must make rampart stronger

[drowsy plank]

yes

[frosty trellis]

Considering I've seen 3 in my entire nearly 800 hour calamity carrier, yes

[lucid flare]

just throw frost barrier in the GARBARG

[glass arch]

too rare and it also has no unique drops

[frosty trellis]

PLEASE NO

[swift wharf]

[lucid flare]

like um like what happened to frigid bulwark(?) before jalamity got ported to 1.4 "because frozen shield exists"

[glass arch]

if armored diggers were more common it wouldnt be too bad but its a 1 in 10,000 chance every frame

[swift wharf]

ok so

HUGE brain

[drowsy plank]

i mean diggers are

also useless

[swift wharf]

move the glacial state effect to hand warmers

now you have frost barrier without the frost barrier

[drowsy plank]

what glacial state effect

[lucid flare]

swag

[drowsy plank]

oh the on hit one right

god i forget what this stupid thing does so often

[lucid flare]

SEE!! i'm telling you!!!

frost barrier is a material before it is an accessory

[drowsy plank]

did u know ambrosial ampoule doesn't even give u immunity to glacial state

like frozen and chilled but not glacial

even tho

warmth does all of them

and is a potion

god seriously ampoule fell off so hard

we have like 8 accessories for ice debuff immunities but none of them are even good

[frosty trellis]

Isn't ambrosial just terrible in general?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[swift wharf]

why should it

only cryo and ice golem inflict it

[drowsy plank]

world's worst stat stick locked behind post-Mechs when it could literally be like. post-WoF and it would still be kind of bad

[swift wharf]

and ampoule is post cryo

actually yea post 2 mechs

:skul:

[lucid flare]

immunity to cursed inferno & burning blood would be awesome when fighting tha evil bosses

[drowsy plank]

tfw honey dew is more useful than you are because at least PBG exists

[glass arch]

i only ever got it once

and even then it was only because it was on the guide section for plantera

[swift wharf]

burning blood immunity

so useful!

[lucid flare]

well perforators inflict burning blood

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's why corrupt and crimson flasks exist lmfao

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

they're components

of ambrosial

[swift wharf]

perforators explode if you sneeze on them during HM

[drowsy plank]

and give u those immunities preHM

[lucid flare]

me when i forget

[small timber]

it is ok, 4 life regen/2hp per sec is still decent

[lucid flare]

2 be fair i never really used thos items

[small timber]

but ya, it got quite nerfed

[swift wharf]

ichor immunity would probably be more useful

[glass arch]

honey dew is so much better

[drowsy plank]

it really is

[glass arch]

and its a pre-plant accessory too

[swift wharf]

petition to kill living dew though

[drowsy plank]

Honey Dew is post-Mech1 while ambrosial is post-Cryo+Mech2

living dew is fine

[glass arch]

yeah

its only really useful for qb

[drowsy plank]

i actually like living dew because it actually makes sacrificing a slot for poison immunity worth it for QB since it has those bonus effects

[swift wharf]

hmm thats fair

[drowsy plank]

in general it's just nice for the shitshow that is jungle

just like how honey dew is good for PBG

like i dont mind having these super niche defensive options against specific bosses

at least it gives the accessories a use

[lucid flare]

yea i tend to do that

celestial shell against providence and the guardians and polterghast

(not playing melee)

[swift wharf]

and ML

[small timber]

and empress of light

[lucid flare]

yeah and moonlord

[swift wharf]

and night provi

[glass arch]

which is why ampoule is bad, the only bosses its good for are miles behind it

[small timber]

the boss it is good against is twins, destroyer and exo mechs; and twins dont even do cursed flame on death mode

and 2 of them is mech boss while ambrosial is post-mech

[lucid flare]

ursa sergeant against the astrum family, dynamo stem cells v yharon, and some other thigns

[small timber]

post 2 mechs actually wow

[drowsy plank]

tfw fast clock would be viable on deerclops but it isn't obtainable in preHM 😭

[glass arch]

and why would you sac a slot on exos for a hardmode acessory

[small timber]

just use laudanum on deerclops

[drowsy plank]

true

[glass arch]

so yeah ampoule as a combo is useless

[swift wharf]

actually no it's only inflicted by perfs, ichor stickers and that one crimson desert ghoul

[glass arch]

better than burning blood which is only by perfs iirc

[swift wharf]

and hm blood moon enemies

[glass arch]

yeah, but only the fishing ones

[swift wharf]

while cursed inferno is inflicted by spaz, destroyer and apollo

[glass arch]

and eow

[swift wharf]

not rlly relevant in hm

[glass arch]

its just not worth over other accessories

[hollow shell]

Poor Ampoule

A shell of its former self

I've mentioned this before but
My rework ideas for Ampoule and Absorber and Sponge have been around for a long time
Sprites made for them too

yet they got their own nerfs and separations before they could come into fruition

The quicker and easier solutions preferred over my more elaborate ones

[frosty trellis]

Oh Absorber, that reminds me of a suggestion I wanted to make with it

[small timber]

I still never understood why did the nerf happened

just to like, nerf it for the sake of nerfing it?

the recipe separation seems so unnecessary, prevent bloat I guess but many of the component are still there, just no longer combine into anything

[frosty trellis]

Half the absorber components serve no purpose

And do nothing

[small timber]

yeah, which is weird too

yeah I still have this image

4x 70 damage mushroom "cloud" when hit by enemy

[hollow shell]

Yes they were separated because Sponge was such a massive accessory that did everything, passively

It contributed to endgame mega accessory syndrome and was uninteresting due to its lack of focus on any particular build or playstyle

The separation was good
but
The accs remaining aren't any more interesting, they have basically the same effects as before, just.. less of them

[distant gyro]

I didn't see the separation itself as a problem

the original line of accessories were a bigger one

[small timber]

imo was the moment when the separation happened a lot of their components should had also been removed since they dont really do much purpose other than combine into ambrosial

(though I think the components was buffed after the separation? not sure cant remember anymore)

[frosty trellis]

I mean this might sound weird but I want to just give that line Knockback Immunity as well as kill the components that do nothing

Absorber line

[hollow shell]

My reworks turned them into more active accessories, based on your actions and the situation
I kept in mind all of the core components not as direct inheritances, but as inspirations

Even though the ideas are old as hell, s'hard for me to not feel bitter that it's been years as an official plan and still it hasn't been executed, with other changes irrelevant to the plans only distancing the accs from said plans and making em more and more difficult to execute

[distant gyro]

Bezoar, Living Dew, Honey Dew, Flask Accessory, Radiant Ooze --> Ampoule
Life, Mana, Vital, Grand Gel, Sea Shell, Shell-variant , Fungal, Giant Tortoise Shell, Rover Drive --> Absorber
Combined accessory count: 16

[frosty trellis]

So, less shit than Valor

[small timber]

imo at this point something like this would had been ideal (for the current version), since I have no idea what Rover's rework version do so I will just base on its current function

do people really like, craft living dew?

[distant gyro]

most of Valor's parts come from Ankh Shield which is its own thing

[drowsy plank]

i did want to include a section of why and how things could be reworked, but with how succinct the sugg is, i think it just... has a much higher chance of passing like this. i really would rather see more things be reworked into useful items, but i just don't think people are interested in that (people meaning the devs bc. they'd rather just... put new interesting things in, or work on more important reworks)

[hollow shell]

Probably a smart move sugg-wise, yeah

[drowsy plank]

sunky sea

lmao

[small timber]

Wall suggestion no.N that will get 250+ votes

[drowsy plank]

250? i think ur lowballing it

[eternal escarp]

i mean
they technically have a point

[frosty trellis]

Zamn so many testers being promoted to dev as of very recently

[hollow idol]

recently (all 7 happened yesterday)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Cool to see

[drowsy plank]

nice

[errant cloud]

Hi I'm half brainfried but I'm here for the suggestion to change ooze and ampule

It's v good! But uh I'd actually dig deeper and prefer an entire potions rework in the case of ampule

ooze yea simple rework is better

I think ampy sets the stage to talk about potions as a whole and what people want out of em beyond just the effects and I think there's some merit to reworking the potions system to be more exciting

Cuz rn afaik to most people its boring...ish

[drowsy plank]

what

[swift wharf]

potion rework n34

[drowsy plank]

lmao ikr

[swift wharf]

(not happening)

[drowsy plank]

fr what does this mean

[errant cloud]

It means tweaking the entire potions mechanic/functionality/whatever to be more...(idk the word gimme a sec to think of it)

[swift wharf]

refer to this

[errant cloud]

I wanna say proactive, in the sense that the player feels like it's a thing they have to constantly keep track of;

[drowsy plank]

you already do have to constantly keep track of when herbs are avaliable for harvesting and how many potions you have on you at a time during bossfights so

i still have no idea what you're getting at or what any of this has to do with ampoule

[errant cloud]

Well ampy's thing is that it's a combo accessory of what is basically just potion effects and so ig from a design pov to me it's less about ampy being broken cuz stage of progression (even tho that is a valid concern) and more like

What if it's broken also because the potions system is inefficient or smth,

[drowsy plank]

what??

[swift wharf]

it's not broken though

[drowsy plank]

no ampoule is dogshit

[swift wharf]

it fucking sucks

[errant cloud]

Same thing to me :^)

[swift wharf]

broken has two meanings
it does not work
or it is too good

two

rn it is functional

but not enough

[errant cloud]

Oh in this case it is uhh

Well yea #1 in the way you said

,

[swift wharf]

this is truly a sponge material moment

[errant cloud]

Spongy

I just think for a lot of accessories that do buffs n debuffs you like look at all of em and how easy they are thru changes to make inefficient and worthless

And I look at that and there's like two things you can tweak

Each accessory, and/or the thing that is the source of the power of the accessories, the mechanic that makes them good (which is buffs and debuffs/the potions system)

And outside of tweaking each accessory individually I'm like "well can we actually make the potions system better too, cuz very few people bother touching it to do full reworks, they mostly just add modded potions"

[drowsy plank]

i still have no idea what "rework potions" means and frankly this has nothing to do with my suggestion anymore so

[errant cloud]

Your suggestion is good, I'm just trying to brainstorm futureproofing solutions because what we have with ampule and ooze comes up like...all the time with various accessories in some way

And tldr it gets tiring having to tweak and tweak and tweak running around to 20 different things making sure they all harmoniously work with one another

It's not uh...practical from a development perspective for the sake of efficiency to keep doing that

So reworking buffs/debuffs/potions might curbstomp the issue into the void if someone is careful and does it well

[drowsy plank]

just stop making stat sticks

[errant cloud]

Stat sticks? :d

[drowsy plank]

ampoule just gives you a bunch of stats instead of doing anything interesting

[errant cloud]

Oh yea tru

What you're saying is to take an approach where accessories are based on linear progression like community I think, right

(Ignoring any jank community may or may not have for the sake of the conversation)

[drowsy plank]

The Stat Stick would be the Community because it just gives you a bunch of different stat bonuses, the difference being that that is it's identity and it's evolving aspect makes it interesting. Affliction is the next biggest one, but its multiplayer stacking effect is also cool so it also gets a pass. Then there are just a dozen or so pre-Hardmode ones that no one ever uses because they're boring and suck.

[errant cloud]

Wait oh you don't want community

Idk what the reverse is mechanically

[drowsy plank]

No just make items interesting lmao

[errant cloud]

,

[swift wharf]

no stats all effects

[errant cloud]

I'm scratching my head because I'm not sure how to make items interesting per se without stats and yea stat sticks as you call them, sure they're bad, but I have no idea how you'd go about making an alternative when half the game's functionality is based around...well, stats

[swift wharf]

like wulfrum acrobatic kit or smth

[drowsy plank]

^

acrobatics still has stat effects but its focus is its unique effect

[swift wharf]

items are fine if they buff a stat

[errant cloud]

So you want accessories to have unique functionality?

[swift wharf]

but not if they only do that for a lot of stats

[errant cloud]

Cuz uh, okey

I vaguely know what cognitive wants but it's out of my scope and a lot of work devside : /

[swift wharf]

however stat sticks are kind of a necessary evil

I think he wants a rework for ampoule that does not involve reworking an entire mechanic

[drowsy plank]

yeah, but at least ones like emblems, frog leg/soaring insignia, etc. are pretty interesting

that would also be nice lmfao

[swift wharf]

single stat items are aesthetically pleasing

but for the mind

[drowsy plank]

kinda why my sugg also offers just. removing the item because it is bad, and if it isn't going to be made interesting, it'd be better off dead.

a lot of items have died for these sorts of sins already so it's not like there isn't a precedent

[swift wharf]

lead core, psychotic amulet

[errant cloud]

Ampule is a difficult one because the rework itself to ampy isnt hard or anything, it's what you want the new ampy to be...since it was purely a potion effects accessory finding something to change it to involves saying "ok this should grant +x life and +y% damage for every [n]th weapon use"

Normally you don't have to rework mechanics but with ampy you're pretty much forced to

[drowsy plank]

im leaving it up to the devs to figure that out. or they can just. remove it. like i already said

[swift wharf]

I know it looks like a potion but what does it have to do with potions

is it because of debuff immunity, is it because of the stats

[errant cloud]

both afaik

also brb

[swift wharf]

does that mean that ankh shield should rework the potion system

[drowsy plank]

obviously

[swift wharf]

nah

[drowsy plank]

i was joking lmao

[swift wharf]

ankh charm should give you a revive but unironically though

[drowsy plank]

🤔

[swift wharf]

spunky reference!!

[swift wharf]

but lost in ankh shield for obvious reasons

[drowsy plank]

u know ankh charm giving u a revive but losing it when upgrading into the shield

yeah

cool idea tbh lol

[swift wharf]

• itd stop being an instant upgrade

[frosty trellis]

Okay but then ankh charm would be viable for the entire game probably depending on the revive

[swift wharf]

just make it weak compared to later ones

[frosty trellis]

So basically worse nebulous core

[swift wharf]

yes

[frosty trellis]

Which is.... already bad

[swift wharf]

(I have no idea on how it would work but it would be cool)

[swift wharf]

spore sac two

[frosty trellis]

Speaking of nebulous core
How about killing that off bc it's just bad

[swift wharf]

can I just say that spore sac being slightly buffed in 1.4.4 killed all chances of it getting any rework

[frosty trellis]

Isn't it actually decent in vanilla?

[swift wharf]

maybe??

[drowsy plank]

either way i have no clue what Syn's hang up is on Ampoule but like. you want ideas for original effects?

give it the potions lasting after death effect of amalgam so that effect is available earlier on, and like, idk slime god lore effect since it never came back after the other lore items died. you could maybe give it some other interactions with like healing potions bc ambrosia, you could make it an upgrade to laudanum, like.
there.
there are a ton of ideas of unique effects amb could take on if they dont just murder it

[swift wharf]

in 1.4.3 it is uhhh
no

[drowsy plank]

it'd be better than neb bc it's accessible early hardmode. tbf people sleep on perma's concotion but i think it's great on mage and it has a revive

[swift wharf]

• it breaks the mana cap

[drowsy plank]

lol

[swift wharf]

I do not know why though

star beam rye also does that

[frosty trellis]

Perma is actually decent bc it heals back like, what, 30% of your max?

Nebulous core is 100 hp

[drowsy plank]

yeah 30% true

lmao neb core needs help

[swift wharf]

it needs death

[frosty trellis]

Nebulous Core needs to die

[swift wharf]

just loadout into Silva instead

free revive

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[errant cloud]

This works ye

I'll do you a shooey, since making some kind of meter like with rage or adrenaline is excessive for one item like ampy, how about functionality where it can pick up all hearts within a tile radius of x, and heal the player for that amount when they would otherwise die

Would have a 1min recharge

Or higher! 1min is arbitrary

[drowsy plank]

cool idk im not adding this to the sugg because #suggestions-posting isn't about specific ideas, like, while u can include them id rather just leave it up to the devs to fix in this scenario. if they really care they can read in here

[errant cloud]

Oh they do

They also sometimes contribute if they feel like it

[glass arch]

i dont like permafrosts revive, it ends up killing me more often than it saves me

[distant gyro]

well

at worst it changes nothing

you go from "you die" to "you die, 3 seconds later"

[glass arch]

true

[distant gyro]

so it's really just a normal mage accessory without that

[drowsy plank]

ive used it and it saved me before so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glass arch]

i know it can, im just saying for me it doesnt

[drowsy plank]

ok

[swift wharf]

ski

[hollow shell]

(I don't feel like that's an unreasonable or outlandish request)

(Feels wacky after me having spent the past 3ish years coming up with unique functionality ideas for accessories
to see someone having difficulty grasping the concept of an accessory doing something that isn't just giving you stats)

[drowsy plank]

ikr

[errant cloud]

i mean it depends on what it is that you're reworking or creating but generally speaking, i would not call unique functionality easy to implement for accessories

i might also be a little depressed and biased because any sort of mechanical functionality ideas i used to come up with were shot down by someone with more experience devside than i could ever obtain in a reasonable amount of time cough, iban, so i may have lost a bit of a spark for design/implementation

i think it's just the case of ampoule being difficult, due to a lack of any previously functioning mechanics to expand away from

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah I never said it was easy

But it would be better.

[errant cloud]

[frail mantle]

game design do be not very easy

[flint notch]

I would need to ping Ozz for this right?

[frail mantle]

i... think so?

not entirely sure but i'm guessing you probably should

[flint notch]

Its one of his dev items so i guess?

@hearty yew this sugg in posting good with you?

sorry for ping

[hearty yew]

Yeah that's a good suggestion

I agree with it

I think it's a good idea

[flint notch]

Nice

[frail mantle]

good ending

[distant gyro]

if someone sprites it, it'll probably get in

[jagged zealot]

Okay, Since calamity mod has debuffs listed under 5 categories: disease/sickness, fire/heat, ice, thunder/electric,

Could I make a suggestion to have the wet debuff a water debuff? @hollow shell

[flint notch]

Doesn’t that only apply for damage debuffs?

[jagged zealot]

I dunno, I have seen some that don't do damage, but thought I may ask

[frail mantle]

DoTs, stuns and slowdowns

as far as i can tell

[jagged zealot]

I did at one point suggest a water debuff rework, but that was shutdown

[frail mantle]

and wet i believe already interacts with the system by making inflicted targets more vulnerable to electricity debuffs

[jagged zealot]

Since when? I asked about something similar and was told no.

[jagged zealot]

Wait, why lava? I get water, and a bit of honey, but why lava? that's molten rock.

[flint notch]

Uhhhhhh?

[lavish condor]

Insert is lava wet meme here

Being wet is defined as "being covered or saturated with water or another liquid" and lava is technically a liquid so I guess it counts

[flint notch]

Some Volcanic eruptions produce lightning?

[jagged zealot]

Well, Now I got a new suggestion:

Drop lava from the list

make ice debuffs also have a chance like electric debuffs, and make ice debuffs make you float in water.

[jagged zealot]

But that's more of the ash clouds mixing with the air and possibly water vapor.

[flint notch]

Just throwing something out there

[jagged zealot]

Lava is a semi-liquid though, and I have never heard someone being covered in lava as "all wet with lava".

[lavish condor]

If by Calamity logic lava makes you wet, and being in lava lights you on fire, that implies you're "wet" with a flammable liquid

Which would mean lava is flammable

[jagged zealot]

But being on fire is like the drastic opposite of being wet

I think it goes against the idea of being wet

like setting fire to a tv underwater

[flint notch]

Oil

[jagged zealot]

Oil is a flammable liquid, but it isn't burning, and I am sure the moment electricity touches it, it combursts into flames, no?

[flint notch]

ig

[errant cloud]

i didn't even know shattered community was one of your dev items, you old grandpa

(i turned ping off in reply so as not to bug him, dw)

[hearty yew]

lmao im right here

[errant cloud]

big

can i haggle something in the same vein that i may make a suggestion on later

[glass arch]

no

[errant cloud]

dev items are...usually? not very indicative of their status. like you can't tell very easy a dev item is a dev item unless you have the context

maybe there should be some kinda visual indicator?

[hearty yew]

all dev items have a pink - Developer Item - in their tooltip, wdym?

[glass arch]

they do have the big purple DEV ITEM thing in the tooltip

[errant cloud]

heh, nobody pays attention to that thing. well, they do. but they forget it in an instant. i'm just thinking like, dev items having some kind of other indicator wouldnt be all that bad

in my 6 something runs of the mod, the only dev tier item i recognize is phup's

uh...what is it called, scarlet something