suggestions-discussion

[frosty trellis]

THERE IS NO WAY

[hollow shell]

It has the slowest use time on the planet why doesn't it just drain your whole bar instantly

[lucid flare]

meanwhile: universe splitter

[frosty trellis]

It's 30, actually

But still

For a weapon that slow

WHY

[lucid flare]

whoops

guess the 6 mana was just from the everything else i had

[hollow shell]

(I have no idea what the testers opinion on you is, I was just saying cuz I see you doing balance tests in this channel all the time)

[lucid flare]

still very low considering my MP bar was around idk 600 by that time

[frosty trellis]

(Fair enough. I guess we shall see with time then)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah eternity needs to cost like 300 or some shit

Bc with the mana upgrades and auric armor alone you have 550 mana

700 with Ethereal Talisman

[lucid flare]

still very stupid

meanwhile the summoner weapon universe splitter costs 300 mana per use

and, like, summoners don't really... use mana,
they just summon the guys and then that's it

[grim tusk]

Idk why they chose to ban it from the enchantment instead of just nerfing the enchant to not be 50% multiplicative damage, 40% reduced mana cost

[lucid flare]

i think they thought that the occasional 5 HP drain would be more frequent

[hollow shell]

wait yeah that's higher than the vanilla max
Good thing Calamity's max upgrades take you to 350 I spose

[lucid flare]

in case you were to use something like, idk what's a weapon that fires fast that wouldn't emulate being under godslayer inferno and dragonfire at the same time

[hollow shell]

I feel like it would be better to do that thing I said earlier IF Eternity's mana cost is drastically raised

[lucid flare]

((or just scale it off usetime???))

[hollow shell]

So it doesn't arbitrarily punish faster firing weapons

yeah

[grim tusk]

[lucid flare]

oblatory the dance of light:

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message why is this still here?

[hollow shell]

Didn't see it, sorry

Excloom'd

[grim tusk]

No problem

[cobalt pewter]

probably a mix of mana cost and use time because the detrimental thing about Eternity is really just usetime (?)

[lucid flare]

30 mana cost for the slowest weapon ever

[grim tusk]

Oblatory’s bonuses should be halved tbh

[hollow shell]

If it consumed like 300 mana and the health drain was proportional to mana cost then it would be a noticeable effect

[grim tusk]

Not even Ephemeral was that massive (but that had no downside for rogue, channeled, summons and snipers barely have one)

[hollow shell]

I would prefer to keep them as wacky and extreme cuz it's more fun that way

[grim tusk]

Maybe increase the downside a lot then?

[cobalt pewter]

use % hp

[grim tusk]

• 5 hp is too measly of a downside

[lucid flare]

speaking of enchantments any reason why lecherous isn't available for summoners

[cobalt pewter]

like 5% per use

[grim tusk]

Since regen at that stage is high

[grim tusk]

You have the other better enchant

Altho whips could get lecherous tbh

[lucid flare]

i love lecherous best enchantment ever

[grim tusk]

Do they still get the other ench and summon infinite demons like in betas?

[lucid flare]

idk lol just been occasionally reading the wiki and drawing conclusions

[grim tusk]

In beta i remember using Indignant (thats the ench i was referring to) with whips and it resulted in utter catastrophe

I think it was fixed

But it may be back with how they broke again with reforges

[hollow shell]

Put it on an internal cooldown instead of based on use, so that all usetime weps are affected the same

[lucid flare]

indignant vigilance

[cobalt pewter]

just scale the amount of dmg based on increased usetime :clueless

what's the mage weapon with the highest usetime atm

[hollow shell]

(basically a countdown timer to your death the longer you use the weapon)

[grim tusk]

Wand?

[hollow shell]

I actually wanna say it is Eternity

a whole 120

[lucid flare]

isn't withering kinda like that

[hollow shell]

ah

[grim tusk]

Got damn

Ice Barrage

[cobalt pewter]

ice barrage moment

(instant death with Oblatory)

[lucid flare]

ice barrage

[frosty trellis]

Ice barrage is fucking ridiculous too

[lucid flare]

although apotheosis would be a better weapon for the time you get to scal

[grim tusk]

Poor Yharon being shredded after not being immune in transitions anymore

[frosty trellis]

Yeah why isn't he invulnerable for at least a few seconds during phase 2 transition?

[cobalt pewter]

why was it changed? when Duke in vanilla gets immunity between phases

[frosty trellis]

Also makes rubber mortar karasawa even funnier

[cobalt pewter]

both have the same burst problems

[lucid flare]

how the times have changed

back then yharon used to be invicible during phase changes now he self harms during attacks

[grim tusk]

Duke before didnt, and to feel like you are not wasting rippers as well as allow you to dash through the boss while its transitioning

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[frosty trellis]

OHHHH

The dash thing

[cobalt pewter]

would a heavy DR make up for it then?

[frosty trellis]

Right right right

DR for the dashes, rippers not so much

[cobalt pewter]

fair

[tardy geyser]

@small timber looks like the effect of armor pen in calamity is the weapons damage plus the amount of ap, then subtract the amount of defense divided by 2. so for example this iron short sword does 12 base damage+35 damage from armor penetration-18 due to the golems 35 defense. ive tried this with several enemies and it works for all of them

[grim tusk]

Might need more but idk

[grim tusk]

[tardy geyser]

in short remove ap

[hollow shell]

Well yeah that's how armor pen works
It is essentially a flat damage increase

oh, wait

[small timber]

If I am not mistaken you can end up increasing damage beyond your weapon base damage even

[hollow shell]

It actually boosts the damage? Like, it can go higher than its base?

[tardy geyser]

yes, it shouldnt go past the swords 12 base damage, but it is

[small timber]

Eg: your sword deals 10 damage, enemy have 6 defense = block 3 = you deal 7

If you have 10 armor pen it somehow become 16 damage

Yes it make 0 sense but that is what I get from testing

[small timber]

It should still be abit different I think, otherwise you always have extra damage on 0 defense enemy

[hollow shell]

Damn so vanilla was just really lazy with coding the armor pen I guess

[small timber]

On vanilla it dont have this problem I think

This only happen after I turnt on calamity

From here

[tardy geyser]

oh yea it would be the amount of ap up to the defense of the enemy, so 12 damage+2 from ap-1 for defense of slime

forgor that part

[small timber]

Yeah that is what I got too

Like having armor pen higher than enemy defense just convert each defense penetrated into 1 extra damage (when defense only reduce damage by 0.5 per defense), somehow

[hollow shell]

Not sure where armor penetration is introduced in the overall damage calculation
Presumably at the end after everything else

So, should hopefully be easy for us to modify

[glass night]

ah phooey, I missed that should post my suggestion here first

I think a Cryogen Monolith would allow for a very nice atmosphere for builds.

[hollow shell]

Posting straight to #suggestions-posting is usually fine nowadays

And yeah that's an aight suggestion

We've gotten several requests to add boss-themed monoliths in the past

[glass night]

real talk, I just like the aurora in the background when fighting him

I want it all the time

but I don't want to fight Cryogen all the time

[lucid flare]

not only that but cryogen can "die" and "deal damage"

[glass night]

ew, gross.

dealing damage. the worst thing anything can do!

[frosty trellis]

@pastel crow Catastrophic Claymore

Oh wait oops, that's 2 plant shots

Hold on

There is the calclone shot

[pastel crow]

👍

[small timber]

since I am already done abusing it time to snitch, is it known that abyssal madness is this good?

(I know this is rippers, but like)

[tardy smelt]

Oh gosh

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

That's

Kinda

What

That's fucking dumb

[small timber]

(this is actually why I was able to nohit DoG with lacerator)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

[small timber]

(ok thankfully I can post this)

I also have this clip

though this one is at least require the player to do something

(wait wrong one, that one have a lot of nothing happening)

[frosty trellis]

You get 60-80 hp by ramming into yharon....

[willow widget]

so that might be why i do so much on infernum DoG....

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[blazing kettle]

doesnt calamities vanities have this already

[hollow idol]

nope
doing so in 1.4 is out of my skill range due to changes in how skies work (in 1.3 it was ok)

might come to main tho eventually™️

[blazing kettle]

oh ok, didn't know that those weren't ported

[half sage]

they were ported, they're just not functional atm

[cobalt rose]

gone

[swift wharf]

@frail mantle

oh

noo more discord dot gg

[small timber]

@swift bone there was a similar suggestion posted already, or rather, focus on the "this attack is unfair" part

[swift bone]

ah

[frosty trellis]

Have you tried just.... Dashing when he locks his position above you?

To get away?

[small timber]

and no, it actually isn't slamming at random time tbh

[frosty trellis]

Yeah was going to say

He locks his position above you then slams down

[small timber]

it basically try to predict your movement and then wait a bit then slam down

[frosty trellis]

Which is predictive and you can just dash afterwards

[small timber]

so you can just, dont move and it can't predict your movement, and it will immediately slam down

[swift bone]

basically this

[hollow shell]

First time I've ever heard someone prefer Aureus's jump over Rav P2

Rav P2 is so consistent it's almost trivial imo

[small timber]

yeah aureus jump is way worse

or rather, when you get somewhat away from it/higher than ravager

[swift bone]

it might just be my extreme bias against ravager

[small timber]

in that case aureus jump is literally an undodgeable teleport into you

[hollow shell]

Rav does vary in the amount of time it spends tracking over you, but iirc it is dependent in you and your position, not RNG
So if you keep just dashing back and forth under him, he'll always track for the same amount of time, and it's a rhythm

Also the lil pause in place he does before slamming serves as a mini telegraph

[swift bone]

I actually forgot areus does one of those jumps, i just means areus' normal jump would could be made larger for ravager (basically more sideways instead of vertical)

[drowsy plank]

the only challenging part of rav is dealing with the arms and head

after they're dead he's a joke

[swift bone]

yeah another thing i don't like about him

i don't even think he's necessary

to be fair though he does drop those geode things

[drowsy plank]

he's going to be the bloodstone boss pretty soon, and he's already the only boss to drop it in the current update

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[small timber]

really again?

@frail mantle

[hollow shell]

"pretty soon"

[serene tendon]

Which are pretty much useless apart from the bloodstone.

I'm not fighting a crap boss for one core of eleum or 3 perennial bars

[hollow shell]

That's what I like to hear

reject bosses, return to mining

[sand ermine]

mining/exploring is the one of the only parts i enjoy in terraria now

so yes, return to mining

[small timber]

I dont even think ravager is bad as a boss, since only specific part of the boss is problematic

(and many of them are adjustable, just whether or not they are seen as a problem)

[serene tendon]

It's just unfair. Have "fun" dodging rock pillars half your screen in height shooting from offscreen at 100 miles per hour! What isn't unfair is just a Golem ripoff

[small timber]

the rock pillars are controllable and unironically are player's fault if they failed to dodge them, in fact I see many other part as the problem rather than rock pillar

[serene tendon]

Not when they're offscreen. You can't dodge something you can't see

[small timber]

it is 100% predictable on where they spawn, in fact you choose where to spawn them

[tardy smelt]

its also more fun to dodge

[small timber]

and they always do a similar arc: if you are higher than ravager it try to slam into your face, if you are same elevation as ravager it is much more predictable on how it acts

[tardy smelt]

^

[serene tendon]

Huh, guess I didn't know that

[tardy smelt]

Ravager is a big ol' puzzle fight

[small timber]

yeah it is a puzzle fight

[tardy smelt]

it looks like random chaos at first, but once you get to know how the guy works you'll realise that he's extremely consistent

in fact, he's extremely predictable :p

and manipulatable

[serene tendon]

You have to be above or offscreen most of the time or his fists, which also travel at 100 mph will hit you

[tardy smelt]

attack the fists

until ded

then attack the rest

the fists are kinda a weak point in the fight doe, I have tto agree

just a minor annoyance

[serene tendon]

Fairly inconsistent unless you have a sniper or something and time it just right

[tardy smelt]

the puzzle lies in figuring out how tthe fight is put together, and how to make use of this knowledge to stay in control

[tardy smelt]

ehhh

eeeeeeeeh

its fine

only if he jumps maybe

[serene tendon]

Which he does a lot of

[tardy smelt]

as well as moving minimally

ehh

[serene tendon]

Fair

[tardy smelt]

even then, itts counterable

Ravager is a fair boss

and Ravager is a boss I enjoy

[small timber]

ok other problem I see with ravager:
P1:

• fist dont have to use golem fist, it just force a piercing + high fire rate weapon, as you have rock pillar in your way while still have to stop the fist
• missile breaks the flow of the fight completely
• ravagers main body should stomp at a different rate/less strict of the distance unless you are really far away from it

currently the way you dodge it is by moving "section by section" from one set of rock pillars to another while sitting beside the flame pillar to avoid its spraying projectile, but because the main body is constantly closing its distance you are forced to run away at a high rate than its pattern allowed, hence why many people didn't realize it have a mechanic like this

• head break literally just makes the fight harder (unless you destroy it instantly), while other parts make the fight easier

P2:

• destroy head and you literally stand still and dash left right - the entire fight

[tardy smelt]

most people just don't understand him

[small timber]

another boss that is often complain about due to people not understanding it is profaned guardian yeah

[serene tendon]

Why does a construct of necromancy have rock pillars anyway

[serene tendon]

Guardians are fun, but were a lot more fun before Fabsol murdered the winged slime mount while drunk

[small timber]

I never needed to use it during profaned guardian

and the winged slime mount nerf is justified, because it is moved

from post-ML to post-aureus

[serene tendon]

No that's the jelly bean

I'm talking about the QS mount

[small timber]

what did they even nerfed about it?

[serene tendon]

Destroyed its entire purpose

[small timber]

it is an upgrade slime mount with flying capability as a side option, and it still falls

[serene tendon]

It's slower than a Terrarian with no speed buffs now

Exactly the same speed as its downgrade

[small timber]

I dont see a problem with this, this is perfectly functional

[serene tendon]

it was meant to be an upgrade to the KS mount that also provided fast (especially for its stage) mobility but was hard to control

I have a LOT of experience with the mount

Like an alternative to early-HM wings

[small timber]

because vanilla version is basically overpowered, if a mount is good at vertical then it should not be good at horizontal (unless it is availabe much later into the game, like exo box)

QS mount is at the start of HM after exactly 1 boss that you can use until the final boss, of course it will get nerfed

[drowsy plank]

didnt vanilla nerf pillion too lmao

[small timber]

in 1.4.4 or? since I only really cared about its vertical (because I knew calamity is so gonna nerfed is horizontal)

[drowsy plank]

1.4.4

[serene tendon]

It was a little bit OP for its stage, and 1.4.4's nerf was justified. It didn't remove the entire purpose of the upgrade though, and it's still good

[small timber]

oh lmao

[serene tendon]

The tradeoff is it can't turn well and is hard to control. Exo Box is not a fair comparison because that is the epitome of control

[drowsy plank]

it's literally the same change

[small timber]

then it depends on how you see it:
for me slime mount is always meant for vertical, aka fall speed; pillion provide additional benefit in that it also jumps much higher and have some flight time

on the other hand I think it should never have the capability to replace wings, because if it is already exceptionally good at one thing it should not be good at the other

for an item that is available that early, it should not be perfect in every way possible

[swift wharf]

The purpose is different in vanilla and cal

[drowsy plank]

cal and 1.4.4 vanilla literally gave them the same nerf this literally isn't even a convo

[serene tendon]

If the QS mount was nerfed as much as in 1.4.4, I would have no problem. But it's literally equal in ability to its downgrade now

[swift wharf]

I'm pretty sure the nerf is smaller in vanilla

[serene tendon]

They got nerfed to EXACTLY the same speed in Cal and there's the problem

[swift wharf]

Now I'm confused

Cuz the thing is busted

And it's not exactly the same since slime saddle can't fly

[small timber]

well, not quite

[swift wharf]

if I play this video and this shit flies istg

[small timber]

(if you try to just run them on ground maybe, but why have a slime mount when running on ground)

[serene tendon]

It can jump close to as high. You aren't gonna be using it to move upwards anyway now due to the butchered horizontal speed

[drowsy plank]

how fast does slimy saddle fall

[swift wharf]

What does going upwards have to do with going sideways

[small timber]

double, 102mph

[serene tendon]

There are few times you just want to move upwards. There are times you just want to move downwards

[small timber]

both of them

[drowsy plank]

IT'S THE SAME FUCKING SPEED

[small timber]

at horizontal pretty sure pillion is just upgrade, for vertical they are the same

[swift wharf]

And what does going sideways have to do with this

I am of confusion

[serene tendon]

Using the mount for even a second will now completely destroy your momentum

[drowsy plank]

hasn't cal had momentum cancelling on mounts for a while now

[small timber]

it has been awhile yeah, to the point that I thought it is a vanilla thing because it had existed since forever

[swift wharf]

yea

and pressing down

wait i read it wrong

there are other ways of cancelling momentum other than mounts

[serene tendon]

This isn't the first time Fabsol has butchered mounts either

[drowsy plank]

pressing down is a relatively new change, but momentum cancelling on mounts has been around since before the draedon update lmao

[swift wharf]

that is true

[small timber]

or you can just use this revolutionary tech called pogostick if that small horizontal momentum is that important
(why tf does pogo do this anyway)

[swift wharf]

exo chair when no momentum

[small timber]

because mounts are inherently overpowered, especially that they have essentially no cost other than you choose between 1 of them

which is why they need to nerf them to enforce a certain downside to each of them

[drowsy plank]

this is like complaining about insignia nerf lol

[serene tendon]

Unicorn mount already had a downside, but now it's barely better than just running

[swift wharf]

unicorn mount used to outrun bosses

it is like complaining about insignia nerf yes

[small timber]

because unicorn mount also run (ran) like many times faster than player's max speed could

[tardy smelt]

this isn't the first time Fabsol is considered the only dev in the mod and all changes to it are ascribed to him

[serene tendon]

Not all changes, just the jank over-nerfs

[drowsy plank]

there are other devs?!?!?!1?!1?!?!111!?

you sound like a redditor lmfao

[swift wharf]

yes because we know that it is exactly fabsol that nerfed it

[small timber]

I dont even think many of them are overnerfed

[swift wharf]

surely he posted the changelogs so he must've done it

[small timber]

especially you need to consider when you can get each of them: unicorn mount is preboss, pillion is post-QS one of the first HM boss

their original capability is so strong that you can use each of them all the way to post-ML at DoG

[serene tendon]

No Unicorn mount is HM

[small timber]

fuck I meant to type preboss HM

[swift wharf]

I think xpc means pre hardmode-boss

[drowsy plank]

fab also removed all those weapons and did the DR nerfs i thought yall knew

[swift wharf]

got damn he removed spectre rifle

[serene tendon]

I'm not saying don't nerf them, I'm saying don't make them completely useless

[swift wharf]

but it is not useless

[drowsy plank]

they arent ur just bad

lmao

[small timber]

^ , but ya spectre rifle is a different topic

it is inherently a super boring weapon that only got attention because of a bug that cause it to overperform

[swift wharf]

spectre rifle referring to this

[serene tendon]

It's like only 15 MPH higher now, although it's been a while so it might be more

[drowsy plank]

that's

what it's like in vanilla???

[serene tendon]

In exchange for virtually 0 vertical mobility

[drowsy plank]

so get off the mount

[swift wharf]

I see the problem

[serene tendon]

Nah it's like 2X. About 1.5X would be balanced imo

[swift wharf]

pre-nerf pillion was literally better than other mobility options
so now that you can't do that anymore
people complain

[drowsy plank]

didnt xpc just say slime mount fall speed is 102

[swift wharf]

by other options I mean wings+boots

[serene tendon]

They could have made its downside more relevant instead.

[swift wharf]

what downside

[drowsy plank]

okok wait so what is slime mount's fall speed in calamity right now

i want a number

[swift wharf]

he tested in cal

[serene tendon]

eg make pillion and unicorn take much longer to gain momentum and to stop

[drowsy plank]

????????it's the same fukcing value then what the hell are you talking about

[serene tendon]

102 fall speed for both, in vanilla and Cal I believe

[small timber]

ok yeah unicorn mount used to be better before cal MS change yeah

fall speed is 102 for sure, I can record if you want

[drowsy plank]

no i got it i just

what the fuck are we complaining about then

slime mount is just as good as it is in vanilla

[small timber]

unicorn mount is about equivalent to getting like ~80% movement speed boost

but depend on who you ask, yeah this is a bit overnerfed

[serene tendon]

Make a mount-switching cooldown, easy (at least in theory) fix

[small timber]

it used to be the case where players' MS is WAY lower

I think angel treads make my max speed higher, let me change to terraspark

ok on terraspark it is slightly more reasonable

[drowsy plank]

oh unicorn is 20 mph slower in cal

[small timber]

you basically get a lot of speed with absolutely 0 movement speed investment; but compare to angel treads it is a bit pity yeah

[swift wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzU9NvO6Y6s

[small timber]

doesn't mrjfl or someone make a video literally about "how gelatinous pillion is the best mount in the game that you will not use"

[serene tendon]

CrabBar

[small timber]

ok crabbar

[serene tendon]

AgressiveBungee mentioned its flaw in his mounts vid, like with all mounts you can't dash and the pilion itself is hard to control compared to wings

[drowsy plank]

not really much of a downside

also you can hop off the mount if you still want to use your dash

[small timber]

you can just turn off and dash yeah

and you can just straight up not use a dash if the mount is good enough

(which is why they are nerfed to make sure they are not good enough to the point of not needing a dash)

[serene tendon]

A mount-switching cooldown would fix that

[drowsy plank]

why tho

[small timber]

why not just nerf the mount itself

yeah

[arctic terrace]

Why make a system wide nerf if you can just nerf the unbalanced things

[drowsy plank]

crazy

[small timber]

the way I see it is:

mount is basically a no-investment way to allow the player to gain certain ability (that ability depends on the mount)
because they require no investment, they should only excel at 1 thing but bad at others (or mediocre at others)

slime mount is good for fall speed, unicorn/horse mounts are good at ground running (though admittedly they are abit shit right now pass mech bosses), and flying mounts at bad at any sort of turning and control but good at staying in air due to their infinite flight

[serene tendon]

Because if you take away its advantage its useless. Give it a more important downside and add a cooldown and balance it like that, control exchanged for raw speed

[small timber]

so to me gelatinous pillion is good at vertical speed but bad at horizontal, I see no problem with it

[small timber]

in this case said advantage in itself is overpowered in the first place

many people argued that soaring insignia should keep infinite flight but reduce your speed, which will just make the accessory ultra shit to use

similar to pillion, I think it is better to just take away the infinite flight rather than nerf other things to compensate for the overpowered effect

[serene tendon]

Fair enough, maybe pillion should keep its own powers and fall slower instead of faster or something

[small timber]

because things like cooldown are extremely unintuitive and feels artificial, as how do you communicate to the player "by using pillion you have extra 3 seconds of mount switch cooldown because it is too good haha"

[drowsy plank]

why not just

leave it alone

[serene tendon]

I was thinking more 3 minutes than 3 seconds

[small timber]

then it will just feel like, ULTRA shit

[serene tendon]

Cause right now its not even worth getting

[drowsy plank]

i still get it

[small timber]

it is definitely still worth getting yeah

[drowsy plank]

id say bean is worse than pillion cause it makes ur hitbox bigger
at least it's better in water

[small timber]

if you like slime mount, you will get pillion, it is just slimy saddle but better, and you can stay in flight for sometime even just as an added benefit

[drowsy plank]

does bean still fall in water idr

[serene tendon]

Yeah I think bean should be the slime mount upgrade and pillion should focus on wings-like flying rather than fallspeed

[serene tendon]

Yes

[small timber]

as long as your intent is not to use it for the entire duration of the fight I will say the nerf have no effect even, because you usually rely on wings/player character itself for horizontal anyway

[drowsy plank]

ok then lets just leave the slime mounts alone

[serene tendon]

The thing that made it super OP in the first place was its synergy with the Bundle of Balloons

It had the vertical powers of fishron wings

Hold up

What if

Mounts take accessory slots

[small timber]

then what is the point of literally having a mount

[drowsy plank]

this guy didnt use BoB in his fight lmao

MEWK YOU ARE LITERALLY JUST MAKING WINGS AGAIN

JUST USE WINGS

[serene tendon]

I'm saying that's what made the vertical so good

[small timber]

it will literally just be a wing that have the equivalent mobility of a slime mount yeah

[drowsy plank]

but he

doesnt use them

[serene tendon]

Not saying it isn't good without them

[swift wharf]

wait

the pillion can dash

or no

t

[drowsy plank]

i dont think so??

[serene tendon]

no

[swift wharf]

in the video it did

wtf

[serene tendon]

I've tried

[small timber]

or if you use a different example, unicorn mount will just be "this accessory increase your max run speed to 49mph but decrease flight ability"

the tldr is if you are really bothered by this there are probably mods that revert some changes

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

I already saw soaring insignia one

[serene tendon]

Problem is configurability. I agree with most of Cal's nerfs, including insignia

[drowsy plank]

there is no problem

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

i still can't tell what your issue with pillion's nerfs are besides "i want to use pillion like wing slot" or something

[swift wharf]

ok the pillion did not dash, it was just the cam going to the right because of the world border

[serene tendon]

It feels like it has no purpose now

[drowsy plank]

it's purpose is to be a king slime mount with a bit of a hover

[serene tendon]

It's barely even an upgrade

[drowsy plank]

aka a direct upgrade

it can literally fly

[swift wharf]

byeah my point still stands

[small timber]

if QS mount is post-ML yes it is an overnerf

[serene tendon]

Does the hover still work like it did before the nerf?

[small timber]

it is HM preboss, so yes it is justified

[drowsy plank]

i dunno it's a vertical movement tool, and it has more of a margin of error than KS cause if you want to fall but not fall too far cause unless you had a double jump with KS mount ur just fucked

[serene tendon]

I guess, still very niche.

[drowsy plank]

gives you enough room to maybe fly a bit and hook onto a platform

yes it fills a niche

wow

just like bean and normal KS mount and literally every other item in the game

that's the point

[swift wharf]

when the mount can't carry you through hardmode alone

[serene tendon]

It's a much smaller niche than the basic point of the slime mounts

[drowsy plank]

no??

[serene tendon]

Imo a slime mount is just as important for mobility as hooks

[drowsy plank]

yeah and it's still a slime mount

so it's fine

[serene tendon]

I'm saying the specific situation you specified in which the QS mount would be better than the KS mount is extremely niche

[drowsy plank]

yeah and so is like 50% of the items in the game

id say that makes it balanced

[small timber]

also I just realised how tf this goes from needing pillion on profaned guardian to pillion being overnerfed

[drowsy plank]

lmaooooooooo

[small timber]

the basic point of slime mount is amplified fall speed, but the regular slimy saddle give you no option other than fall (because it have no flight), pillion give you flight and even hover

so yes, to me it is still an upgrade

having options is often overlooked as an actual advantage

[serene tendon]

didn't ever say it was needed

[serene tendon]

It is still an upgrade, just not one that is useful very often.

[drowsy plank]

then we gotta buff bean

and probably every other mount too

what about the three identical horse mounts zoologist sells

or the goat since that drops in rev now and competes with unicorn

[small timber]

the fact that pillion can fly is already a massive upgrade for me, but ya this is going circle

tldr if it is not going to become a suggestion probably best to left it here (since otherwise it will go massively off topic)

[thorn dock]

how likely would be a buff of hydrothermic armor? it feels pretty solid, however the projectiles it generates miss 99% of the time

[drowsy plank]

for which class?

bc the only shared effects are the inferno potion and explosion

i can only assume mage or summoner because melee has no projectiles, and rogue and rangers say they home in

[thorn dock]

I m using the summoner version

[drowsy plank]

and ur saying the minion misses a lot?

[thorn dock]

skill issue incoming <.<

yeah kinda feels like that

[drowsy plank]

no i was just gonna say can u like, get a video of it or something? what causes it to miss? ive never used it but seems weird that a cal minion would be missing enough for someone to complain about it

[lost valley]

hydro doesnt really have a place to shine, esp bc just about every class has a better post golem option
(beetle, plaguereaper/bringer)
only classes that really want it are mage (debatable bc specter gud) and rogue

[drowsy plank]

make hydro give all whips firecracker effect

also idk, what do rogue and mage have post-Golem? would you just keep using spectre/umbraphile?

[lost valley]

yeah mage and rogue are the two that dont have any other post golems, but specter is stupid good (hood= cant die)
i think hyrdo is better than umbra tho, lemme check

hydro is better for rogue

[swift wharf]

make hydrothermic inflict the upgraded on fire

hellfire

[hollow shell]

@remote rose Unhelpfully broad title. You should just say Vivid Clarity from the get-go if that's the only one you have issue with

[hollow shell]

aight cool thank you

Oh boy

[stable kiln]

the exclamation mark usually means you didnt read the guide for how to make a suggestion :p

(it morso means there is something off with your suggestion)

[hollow shell]

@subtle gazelle You should take a look in the Don'ts Doc pinned in all the sugg channels

It doesn't explicitly disallow exactly what you're suggesting but uhh
Conceptually, you aren't supposed to propose your own cool ideas that you came up with as suggestions

Suggestions are supposed to be about solving problems

Mainly pointing out what the issue is and why it is an issue
Then, only when that criteria is filled, you can propose potential ideas (and even so they should be broad ideas, to allow flexibility in the devs' implementation)

[grave zinc]

@night jolt - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Teleport you to where you activated Terminus after WoF in Boss Rush]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[night jolt]

nice

[neat linden]

Incredible

[radiant meadow]

oh oops

I misread it

I guess it's technically not implemented

you teleport back to the spot you teleported from

same difference tho

[hollow shell]

I think it's better to go back to where you were before, anyhow

[night jolt]

Yeah, semantics. The point is you don't have to run all the way to your arena during Boss Rush

[hollow shell]

(also make sure that the vanilla teleport sound and Moonburn's teleport sound don't play simultaneously
I saw that in the vid
twas meant to replace it)

[radiant meadow]

grrrrr disabling the vanilla teleport sound is annoying, but I'll see if I can fix that

[hollow shell]

mm I figured that would be among the reasons

[drowsy plank]

lmfao where the fuck did you find that storm weaver sprite

[hollow shell]

wait yeah what the fuck

I thought it was the real one just stretched

What is that

[stable kiln]

looks like one of the worms from those eat to grow games

[distant gyro]

it looks like either a flash game or roblox

[crude geode]

little scrunkly

[drowsy plank]

also is this dude proposing we turn storm weaver's lightning cross dash into... EoC dash but worm

[hollow shell]

(it's not even a Fandom Wiki moment

but if you give me the source, I can make it a Fandom Wiki moment 👀 )

[crude geode]

LMAO

[stable kiln]

that would be pretty funny ngl

[cobalt pewter]

@thick smelt already planned iirc

[radiant meadow]

(fixed)

[half sage]

yea, wasn't implemented at first because tmod didn't have support for it, idk if stable has support for it yet, but preview does, so it should be doable soon

[radiant meadow]

it's not on Stable yet

So it's not happening until it gets added to Stable and we get around to doing it

[thick smelt]

@cobalt pewter thanks for quick response!

[grave zinc]

@lyric path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make acidwood trees spawn more often]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

Wonderful

[grave zinc]

@void tangle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Rover Drive Shield appear when put into vanity slots]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@kindred creek - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Draedon, Empress of Light, Deerclops, and Queen Slime To Boss Rush]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@dapper violet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[1.4 Brain of Confusion ability for it's upgrades]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

damn

[hollow shell]

awesome thank you

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Rusty Medallion usable (or just give Ranger actual accessories)]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[half sage]

two of those are a bit late, as they were in the last update

[drowsy plank]

ayo??

im really hoping this means an overhaul and not just trying to rework its awful current functionality

[radiant meadow]

what's the difference

[grave zinc]

@tardy smelt - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the lower Sulphurous Sea more worthwhile to check out]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[radiant meadow]

depends on your definition of worthwhile

[hollow shell]

Oh huh

What exactly did that implementation entail

[radiant meadow]

we didn't really add any new content, but it looks prettier and is more player friendly

so uhhhhh

[frosty trellis]

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? AINT NO WAY

[radiant meadow]

it's more worthwhile to check out cuz it's pretty!

[drowsy plank]

trying to make the raindrops work somehow vs. just. making it do something new
because i did offer a lot of ways you could try to repair its current functionality (even if i think it'd be a waste of time)

[void tangle]

oh shit awesome

[radiant meadow]

keep in mind that rusty medallion changes were separate from the suggestion entirely

[drowsy plank]

lmao we were talking about AEW being removed from beta boss rush just a few days ago im not exactly suprised

[radiant meadow]

wtf

testers leaking

?

????

[drowsy plank]

that's fine

[radiant meadow]

I should exorcise them

[drowsy plank]

good idea

[frosty trellis]

JARED IN BOSS RUSH? NANI

[hollow shell]

Oh wait is Dom's implementation of my idea already in the game to some extent? I thought he was holding off for assets

[drowsy plank]

to be fair this is the second "rework boss rush" sugg to pass so we kinda already knew something was going on, this one is just more specific

[lucid flare]

in my defense the tester in question just said something like "hey guess what AEW won't be getting put in balls rush"

[drowsy plank]

@thick smelt yes this is already being worked on, they know, im pretty sure the issue is a lack of support from the tmod side. this would be like the 5th goddamn time this exact sugg will have passed

[crude geode]

.

[radiant meadow]

I also didn't flag the boss rush suggestion because I wanted to keep it a secret

but I guess whoever flagged it don't care 😔

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao i got distracted by implementation jumpscare

[crude geode]

fair

[drowsy plank]

sad!

[drowsy plank]

good enough for me

[drowsy plank]

the sugg is still in the channel, not deleted tho, so i dont think the ping was out of place tbf

[radiant meadow]

I can't even know who flagged it because the bot removes reactions

so I can't shame the individual

[grave zinc]

@orchid turtle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[buff serpentine]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

they did say they reworked the order to progression

so it'd be weird to not add those aside from Draedon

but Draedong is a nice addition too

[crude geode]

how tf did this get into voting

[drowsy plank]

this is so funny considering it's against the channel rules now

[orchid turtle]

Let’s go!!!

[radiant meadow]

when did serpentine get buffed again?

[drowsy plank]

i think it's an old one

[cobalt pewter]

buff serpentine

[hollow shell]

I think I'll add the 1.4 bar graphics for Calamity max HP upgrades
to the Frequent part of the Don'ts doc
with clarification that it is presently impossible but already has assets created

[frosty trellis]

This most recent patch

[half sage]

yea it's from like 8 months ago

[orchid turtle]

Like half a year later

[radiant meadow]

oh okay cuz I didn't think it got buffed recently

in the last 3 weeks

[frosty trellis]

It just got buffed in this patch

[radiant meadow]

recently as in unreleased

[half sage]

yea some of these are from last patch, like rover drive and BOC line dodge

[radiant meadow]

if people suggest razor chroma support often, add that too

[drowsy plank]

how ya doin murmasa

[radiant meadow]

I'm like almost positive tmod doesn't have support for razor chroma

[frosty trellis]

?

[cobalt pewter]

it's a vanilla meme

[radiant meadow]

how ya doin was a nerf

serpentine got buffed!

[crude geode]

looooool

[drowsy plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4F_zBKyMY0

[cobalt pewter]

back at 1.4 Muramasa got a very, very minor buff of 2 dmg

[radiant meadow]

oh wait, I'm thinking of the Chik

which got nerfed for no reason in 1.4

[drowsy plank]

Chik is the weapon ever

[cobalt pewter]

it's rightfully buffed in 1.4.4 though

the update that keeps giving

[radiant meadow]

labor of porting pain

[half sage]

still overshadowed by night's edge cuz you can get all 3 other components before skelly tho

[cobalt pewter]

lookl

[radiant meadow]

calamity adds purified gel to the night's edge recipe, problem solved

I think

(it does, right?)

[frosty trellis]

Yep

[hollow shell]

Only one time it ever got suggested afaik?

[drowsy plank]

my muramasa chest in legendary seed got replaced by ice chest so i still don't have it im definetly not mad i cant try out the new one yet nope

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Get rekt

[distant gyro]

society when tml add support to everything possible

[drowsy plank]

tml add support to overheating your graphics card until your PC explodes

[frosty trellis]

Pfffffffff

[half sage]

[distant gyro]

torch god auto torch is also yet to be supported

[radiant meadow]

I should just not flag suggestions until after the update so people don't suddenly jumpscare flag suggestions I don't want flagged yet

[cobalt pewter]

yeah cal makes NE slightly later than Muramasa

so Muramasa should get some use

it probably will if someone buffs it to insanity in cal

[crude geode]

it's a dungeon weapon so it doesn't get used regardless

buff dungeon weapons when

[radiant meadow]

I love when people suggest stuff that tmodloader does not have support for

[distant gyro]

pretty blurry but i counted it reading through the suggestion

at least as fast as im going

[crude geode]

ah so you're the one flagging all the suggs

[distant gyro]

yeah

[radiant meadow]

yeah, Altix, I should shame you

👎

[distant gyro]

:)

[crude geode]

FUCK you for flagging suggs and letting the public know their suggs are implemented

[distant gyro]

also the fun part where i flag things that were done like

7 updates ago

[crude geode]

february of this year suggs

[distant gyro]

a fun part of scrolling through approved suggestions is where

[radiant meadow]

I feel that the general public shouldn't know about somewhat major changes through the suggestions system before a public release. That's what the Patreon perks are for ¯_(ツ)_/¯

and I think adding 4 new bosses to Boss Rush falls under a more major change

[cobalt pewter]

patreon sucks anyways

[distant gyro]

plans collided with suggestions randomly with no correlation

[radiant meadow]

Boss Rush shit wasn't even supposed to be in this update but then it happened and has kept me awake at night

[crude geode]

lmao

I like how deerclops got added to br before literally any ai changes happened with it

[radiant meadow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[drowsy plank]

king slime 2

[distant gyro]

i think if they get to be suggestions then maybe it's not so major

[cobalt pewter]

we can get it into boss rush but god forbid making it a decent boss

[crude geode]

is it not currently

I thought it was pretty neat when I fought it in vanilla

[distant gyro]

and that's excluding my bias that boss rush is literally irrelevant ngl

[cobalt pewter]

I think the hands can get a bit too handsy to my taste

(as in very clueless on which is which)

[crude geode]

god I love how there's 4 suggs with deerclops in them and one of them doesn't even relate to it, just a weapon that drops from it

truly the crabulon of vanilla

[distant gyro]

the frost legion of frost legion

quite literally as deerclops is snow themed

[cobalt pewter]

what is frost elgiom

[crude geode]

frost religion?

It’s where you make a bunch of irrelevant frost weapons because you love the snow biome

[radiant meadow]

It's when you believe in Santa Claus a little too much

[crude geode]

True

[drowsy plank]

haha yes that one is mine

[dapper violet]

Noice owo

[distant gyro]

that one had already happened but enjoy your overdue ping anyway

[worthy lintel]

can't believe you broke the magic...

[devout shell]

The disney world magic where you arent supposed to break character while in costume

[tardy smelt]

[devout shell]

Is there a SCal bg monolith?

[drowsy plank]

uhhhh yes? lemme check

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Monolith_of_the_Accursed

[devout shell]

Oh good to know

Thanks

[keen zodiac]

not really scal tho, it's the title screen

[upbeat yacht]

it's both scal and title screen tho?

i'm just looking at the embed and it says first activation applies scal filter, second adds title screen, third disables it

[keen zodiac]

sort of

[hot zephyr]

the title screen is supreme calamitas' background

the title screen was originally a bug in test builds, where the screen shader would remain while leaving the game if supreme calamitas was still alive

[golden tulip]

letsgo?

finally?

[rotund tree]

(epic win)

[golden tulip]

next patch?

[rotund tree]

idk about deerclops tho

dude's AI isn't even changed

[golden tulip]

i mean its a boss why wouldnt it be in br

[rotund tree]

betsy is a boss too

[golden tulip]

me dying to deerclops (somehow) in br and br not stopping would be funny

[golden tulip]

yea but dc isnt tied to an event

[lost valley]

deerclops sitting invincible in boss rush 💀
only for it to evaporate as soon as it can get hit

[lucid flare]

do not open those floodgates

[lost valley]

No giant orc in boss rush

[inner anvil]

He will be added anyways.

All the bosses missing will be added, except AEW.

And Betsy, that thing does not exist in our eyes.

[versed cape]

no armored digger in boss rush 😔
why even play

[radiant meadow]

Betsy is not a real boss

👎

at least Deerclops hits all the checkmarks for a real boss

[cobalt pewter]

can't wait for the inevitable Terraria x Calamity crossover

🫵

(aew becomes the crossover boss)

[swift wharf]

[frail mantle]

Dread

[cobalt pewter]

you should be

[small timber]

Just wait for eventually when yharon get slight reworked with the resprite and slap the entire old yharon AI onto betsy

[drowsy plank]

real

[golden tulip]

betsy doesnt?

hostile npc with higher than average hp and more attacks than other normal hostile npcs?

and drops?

[distant gyro]

betsy appears during an event therefore event boss

[golden tulip]

fair.

[distant gyro]

otherwise that description would also include saucer, pumpking, and ice queen

[small timber]

miniboss boss rush soon™️
ft. armored digger, giant squid and dark mage

[drowsy plank]

💀

dont forget nuclear terror

[cobalt pewter]

really working hard towards the wording workaround as I don't want ppl to think I wanted this just cus of subclass run

(okay part of me wants it but still)

[distant gyro]

didn't i mention something about this

[cobalt pewter]

mention what exactly

[distant gyro]

poking the rabbit hole

[cobalt pewter]

man.

I mean I really like the concept even in vanilla, but its damage has always been lacking that it ends up just being a meme (which is addressed in cal)

but I can see how this could lead to something worse

and..... I guess I'd rather avoid that after what happened with Malice

[small timber]

jousting lance is made worse in the fact that the main thing you use for jousting (aka horse mount) is nerfed to be not much better than players' movement speed

[small timber]

this might be fast considering it is 49mph with 0 investment, but at the sametime this put a hard limit on how much damage jousting lance can deal

[drowsy plank]

unicorns can replace boots but sacrifice wing time since they can only jump and can't really dash

so i guess i can understand the idea but like

bootless runs are pretty popular since ur rarely running in bossfights

+quick modifier/general ms reworks

so now horses just feel kinda of

pointless

[cobalt pewter]

mounts do be over nerfed on some cases

meanwhile both slime mounts (idk jack about bean) are still batshit insane

[drowsy plank]

bean works in water so it at least serves a purpose against AEW

[frosty trellis]

Bean is slower than exo box

So no it's ass

For Jared

[drowsy plank]

oh right lmao

[frosty trellis]

Since it got nerfed

[drowsy plank]

lol

mounts are jank

[cobalt pewter]

make exo box a shadowspec craft

it won't fix aew

[inner anvil]

Do they know?

[grim tusk]

No, Memes, they don’t

[inner anvil]

Great.

[small timber]

did the slime mount butchering began or something

[inner anvil]

Should we tell them?

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[small timber]

exo box short circuit if you try to use it in water

[inner anvil]

I'll just tell them, it's not anything big.

There's no "Go Faster" keybind in Exo Box anymore.

[cobalt pewter]

god

[small timber]

oh god

[inner anvil]

So it's default speed or the keybind to go slower.

[drowsy plank]

lmaooooooo

[cobalt pewter]

touhou boss fight that requires slowed down exo box when

[short walrus]

Goddamn

[inner anvil]

Kid named SCal:

[small timber]

anyway

tbh yeah it only really impact AEW

[short walrus]

dont put it in the changelogs so people get caught with it

[small timber]

since for scal I dont think you really try to use it on sped up mode during BH

[inner anvil]

During Boss Rush testing we saw that Exo Box made all of the event a joke.

[small timber]

it will such for my builder characters though since I always use exo box for travelling

though it is guaranteed to be nerfed yeah, since at the time BR was given 0 consideration so it wasn't nerfed (yet)

[cobalt pewter]

I love me the OyUOXX9DBpRVyW8nuvJjtlsI/eIdK8nPmSjnN2yqw4o= which no avg player will know until it's fixed

(it's encrypted)

[chrome wyvern]

and the melt doesn't? :clueless:

[distant gyro]

the melt is to be expected

[gray nebula]

exo box neutered unbelievable

[distant gyro]

unless someone is proposing boss rush RDR

[chrome wyvern]

oh please no

[gray nebula]

I am making a separate mod that adds back un neutered exobox..

[neat linden]

do not the RDR

[distant gyro]

[gray nebula]

It was so good for qol

[small timber]

demonshade armor making you deal 2.25x damage casually

[swift wharf]

I think reworking the current lances would be better

[radiant meadow]

jousting lances are bugged in the current update

[cobalt pewter]

what

[radiant meadow]

they don't receive melee damage boosts and they don't have damage variance with Calamity

I'm like 80% sure that fix is not public

yeah I only fixed it a week ago

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

[frosty trellis]

It made the event a joke except for scal without the speedup key already. I speak from experience

[inner anvil]

That's what I said, yes.

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Fair

No more speedup key is fine bc 99.9% of people aren't going to find out it exists anyways

[radiant meadow]

It's unfortunate that people don't read the tooltip of the items they get

[frosty trellis]

I mean I just never rly needed exo box to go faster

I've nohit Jared without even knowing the speedup key even existed. Took 16 attempts

I read the tooltips for most things. Exo box I just glossed over

[lucid flare]

oh so that's why i beat it in 5 attempts

[frosty trellis]

Me who still can't beat terminus SCal bc her bhs are the worst since they still have the malice BH speed

[lucid flare]

it really only took me 1 attempt to beat scal on boss rush

because the other attempt where i fought her i ended up getting stuck on my way to the arena i made for her and i was cramped

the other attempt i just beat her, although i did struģgle

[radiant meadow]

SCal does less damage in boss rush next update

[lucid flare]

ery nice

how's exos gonna work in boss rush, are they just gonna be normal exos but like, weaker

[radiant meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517656360465203201/1031000113318993950/unknown-30.png

[lucid flare]

cool

it's bugged

[radiant meadow]

No, you fight 3 of them at once

[distant gyro]

battle royale

[lucid flare]

well i was thinking you'd start at the 3 mechs phase but not like that

[radiant meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517656360465203201/1031000113801334855/unknown-38.png

[distant gyro]

draedon does the fall within my calculations and nukes you

[radiant meadow]

...Quite unnecessary.

[lucid flare]

draedon's boss rush

[lucid flare]

[frosty trellis]

Oh thank god

[neat linden]

@eternal escarp opinions on killtimes
they seem a bit fast

also what on earth is that suggestion

[eternal escarp]

cool

whats this for though

just out of the blue? or anything specific you want to point out

[frosty trellis]

All of them are too fast

Literally All of them

[neat linden]

well it started off cause someone in cmt was claiming pumpler to be Shit

[frosty trellis]

Even tin bow on ks

[neat linden]

so i tested compared to others

[eternal escarp]

personally i see 0 point balancing right now atleast until 1.4.4

so lol

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Ic

[neat linden]

kay then

[frosty trellis]

Vanilla stuff fair

[neat linden]

still might be worth checking out in the future

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[frosty trellis]

Okay but the Karasawa + Superball and Rubber Mortar why does that happen?

[neat linden]

i wonder

[willow widget]

Also, nerf photovicerator : )

[frosty trellis]

Like you get shorter range and hit More Than Once Per Shot

[neat linden]

does anything similar happen with meteor rounds or

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[neat linden]

cause superball and rubber mortar have a very specific thing in common: they bounce

Oh look not a proper suggestion again

2 times in 5 minutes

[distant gyro]

it's rather simple

karasawa has an illusion of a beam

[upbeat yacht]

screenshake

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/773705475890872362.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[distant gyro]

it actually travels as a bullet

a gun, when shot, gains components of its gun and its ammo used

[small timber]

Screen shake is good when you want the fight to be dramatic (or to amplify the impact of each hit)

Turns out terraria combat is much more about combat than dramatic so it will just be distracting and disorienting

[distant gyro]

karasawa at its base has a velocity of 1

[frosty trellis]

Okay, so what about Superball makes Karasawa double hit? And rubber mortar like 4-5x hit?

[distant gyro]

mortar rounds have a velocity of 0

meaning when it is shot, it will shoot a slow bullet with an illusion of a beam

[frosty trellis]

Oh so that explains the projectile lifespan

[distant gyro]

when a bullet passes through a large enemy, it will hit multiple times because it's so slow

[frosty trellis]

That makes a lot more sense in that regard

[frosty trellis]

Ohhhhhh

[neat linden]

Damn now i want to see how karasawa is coded exactly :hdflr:

[distant gyro]

this is why superball and mortar rounds will only hit once like a normal bullet on something miniscully small like a dummy

[frosty trellis]

Would it make sense to increase the velocity of Karasawa then drastically so this interaction doesn't do anything anymore?

[frosty trellis]

Actually not true

The reason I know about this interaction is because N00b_Here was testing Karasawa out with different bullets on a dummy and noticed Superball double hit and rubber mortar more that double hit

[distant gyro]

bad lineup can change things

[small timber]

The only thing missing here I think is if you use flash round musket become a desert scourge melter, while on musket ball it is mediocre

[distant gyro]

the only part that matters is that the hitbox of the bullet intersects the target at the right time

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[frail mantle]

@shell jackal no
@subtle gazelle you're gonna need to add more reasoning (also there's not really a need to say that the mod should do resprites when you also acknowledge that resprites are already going to happen)

[distant gyro]

solution is to change iframes

[frosty trellis]

And if you get close to Yharon with Karasawa you can just melt him so fast with rubber mortar
Or take the extra range from Superball, and still murder him in half the testing killtime while being safer

[frosty trellis]

Makes sense

[distant gyro]

increasing velocity would just make the beam skip over the target

[frosty trellis]

I was just thinking significantly increasing the velocity of Karasawa

Ah

[distant gyro]

aka hits nothing

[frosty trellis]

Makes sense

[fervent orbit]

hello

[frosty trellis]

Also the other reason rubber mortar is so good with Karasawa is that it doesn't kill tiles

[distant gyro]

minor benefit that's shared with other convertible guns

[shell jackal]

🤓

My raesoning is Brian of chyulutululhuh

[frail mantle]

i don't care

add more reasoning and actually explain what the issue is @shell jackal

[neat linden]

I have a countersuggestion to your suggestion:

Make better suggestions

[frail mantle]

unless you're just trying to be funny, in which case you're failing

[shell jackal]

My reasoning is he lookes liek a turd

[frail mantle]

wait until the resprite then

[hybrid steeple]

calamity users make good suggestions challenge

[frail mantle]

[shell jackal]

Yea but wasn’t that resprite like three years ago

Is it even beig worked on

[frail mantle]

no

this is fairly recent

[arctic terrace]

Big fleshy boi

[inner anvil]

This is like a couple of months old, like 1 or 2.

[shell jackal]

Like is there somewhere I can see progress or updates

[frail mantle]

there are ancient sketches for more humanoid ravager concepts but none of them ever got farther than being sketches

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QOZwF0hsg7sOa30ctPQ51kct9vFt0OVKeGs0bqAuRDE/edit?usp=sharing

[hybrid steeple]

not updates until they get actually resprited

[shell jackal]

Yea i saw that

[hybrid steeple]

but thats the list of concepts

[frail mantle]

this is the best you're getting

[swift wharf]

unrelated but fuck screen shake

bad suggestion (s)

[frosty trellis]

So true

[glass night]

I'm actually kinda surprised that my suggestion is getting so many stars

I didn't think it was that good

[drowsy plank]

the most starred suggestion in the history of the server was flipping an arrow sprite so it matched the rest of the arrows

[glass night]

that's hilarious

[drowsy plank]

your sugg doesn't need to be good and frankly purely aesthetic, minor changes tend to get way more traction

so it kinda makes sense

[glass night]

that's fair, especially when it's mostly repurposed assets too

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[golden tulip]

it doesnt punish people who fish

it punishes sequence breaking

[serene tendon]

How does it sequence break at all? It's not like you get HM ores PHM

[golden tulip]

ok what im saying is just fish in hardmode

whats the problem

[serene tendon]

It punishes them by forcing them to do it in a much more hostile environment

[sleek turret]

at that point you have like zen potions and peace candles

[golden tulip]

yea thats the point of hardmode

[serene tendon]

and nullifies their stash if they didn't know the change

[crude geode]

Literally everyone knows the change lol

[golden tulip]

if you dont want a harder environment, dont beat wall of flesh

[crude geode]

Also how is this a cal problem

[serene tendon]

Basically everyone, but there might be people who played when 1.3 was the most recent version

[golden tulip]

well cal has reworked vanilla problems

[crude geode]

Those people are in for a lot more than just vanilla crates not being dumb

[serene tendon]

Cal makes it weirder because crates get new items added to their loot pool after different events exactly like how it used to be with HM ores (eg uelebloom in jungle crates post-provi)

[sleek turret]

how is it a problem that you can get better stuff after beating a boss

[serene tendon]

That's not what I'm saying at all.

[serene tendon]

I'm saying Cal made crates get extra items added to crates after events just like vanilla used to with HM, and now it's weird to have the 1.4 change there and nowhere else

[frosty trellis]

I would put that in your argument actually

In your suggestion

Consistency

[sleek turret]

I think you should remove that last paragraph and report it on #bugs-read-pins

[serene tendon]

I'm pretty sure it's a known issue, but it's nice to remind the mods of it while we're on the topic of fishing

[golden tulip]

its not going to get in if you have an unrelated paragraph

[serene tendon]

ok

[golden tulip]

👍🏻

[serene tendon]

Yeah, added that now

thx

[swift wharf]

Oh shit I completely forgot about this

Yeah it's funny

Since calamity reverts other non-linearity changes from 1.4

But not this

[steel raptor]

I think Uelibloom shouldn’t be jungle related given that it spawns after defeating a hallow/underworld boss. That being said, Auric ore should only spawn in the Jungle but in higher frequencies.

All the other naturally generated ores make sense

[swift wharf]

[steel raptor]

except aerialite

too bad a sky related boss doesn’t exist

[swift wharf]

aerealite was originally ds related

after that it was post EoW

now it's post hive cuz progression

[steel raptor]

At least make it spawn on sky islands and planetoids

instead of underground

Aero slimes being underground makes no sense

[swift wharf]

Would fit but would kinda scuffed

No you see

slime ores suck

[steel raptor]

Slime ores and mobs are there as a means of not having to worry about a limited supply of ore without having to go fishing

[swift wharf]

ok but

boring

[steel raptor]

Give different enemy types besides slimes

[crude geode]

there's rumors about less slimes and more unique mobs

[steel raptor]

much like the abyss

[swift wharf]

yea

[steel raptor]

for chaotic ore enemies

devil fish and chaotic pufferfish

[frosty trellis]

@pastel crow So, ummm, I am making an unholy ask to buff Zenith With proof of why it's bad (Although Seekers need serious resistance because this thing kills the seekers faster than The Jailor or Photo l.click does)
First SS Zenith SCal
Second SS Zenith Exos
Third SS Zenith SCal with Murasama for the hearts to prove a point that it's not the hearts that hold Zenith back

It's a victim of the removal of shattering potions

[crude geode]

chaotic pufferfish might as well be slimes with how much they do

[steel raptor]

I think aerialite ore should spawn upon world generation in sky islands but it is sealed by darkness so it could not be mined until hive or perfs are defeated

[swift wharf]

unmineable tiles dread

[steel raptor]

Similar treatment as Astral meteor

[frosty trellis]

OH THAT WOULD BE SICK

[swift wharf]

I do not want unbreakable tiles in my sky islands thank you very much

[crude geode]

astral meteor sucks.

[swift wharf]

also that

[frosty trellis]

And make a lot of sense since you need sky island materials anyways to make aeralite armor and weapons

And skyline wings

[crude geode]

like. you use it for two things and it gets abandoned.

[swift wharf]

skylines when they're post skeletron

[frosty trellis]

Deific Amulet
One thing

[steel raptor]

Astral Blade and Pike are bad even for true melee because Omniblade exists and can deal 10k dps

[swift wharf]

byeah please no unbreakable tiles tysm

[frosty trellis]

Well that's just flat out wrong bc astral pike is the best melee weapon for ML rn

[swift wharf]

There's a reason why aero, cryo, reaver and uelibloom don't spawn on world gen now

[crude geode]

comparing something to astral meteor does not give me hope in your idea, bc astral meteor is so ass in design

something present for a third of the game but usable for 1% of it

[swift wharf]

astral underground rework on its way to make getting astral ore fun

(hopefully)

[half imp]

Isn't blade better

by a tiny bit

[fervent orbit]

to add onto this, i also tested zenith only on scal and exos (both post yharon) with a bit different stuff (mainly no dark sun ring) and got similar results

[fervent orbit]

yes blade is better but for eyes alone, pike does it so much better

also daybreak is better than astral pike and blade

[half imp]

true

[drowsy plank]

zenith is like

mildly interesting

[frosty trellis]

Mildly interesting

Worse than everything but on the seekers

[drowsy plank]

i meant thematically, bc it's functionally just a fancy boomerang
but yeah i realize it needs damage buffs

[steel raptor]

I killed exos much faster than that when I used zenith

[drowsy plank]

this patch?

[frosty trellis]

Yeah this most recent patch?

[steel raptor]

when it was introduced into calamity

[fervent orbit]

this patch?

[crude geode]