suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

they can

but they shouldn't be

[drowsy plank]

can we just leave AEW alone like how Boss Rush is similarly getting ignored

[cobalt pewter]

and the game doesn't reward them too

[swift wharf]

wait you can kill the big leviathan class????

[cobalt pewter]

in the original Subnautica, yes, idk about BZ

[swift wharf]

cuh

[cobalt pewter]

reaper, ghost, seadragon

[swift wharf]

what the fuck

[cobalt pewter]

all of them can be killed

[swift wharf]

with what

knife?

or prawn

[cobalt pewter]

there are a couple ways

but I'll need to dig a bit into the wiki for the names and stuff

knife + stasis gun is a thing iirc

[zenith flicker]

No, if the devs want quality over quantity, they either fix their quality, or get rid of their quantity

[cobalt pewter]

using one of the gas (?) torpedos can be done too

[hot zephyr]

you mean like
what we're doing

[cobalt pewter]

prawn is the hood classic

[swift wharf]

AEW should be made of code magic

no sprite or anything

[zenith flicker]

So using the rod just kills you

[swift wharf]

yes

[zenith flicker]

Make it kill you Permanently

[swift wharf]

except that it just dashes at you a few times and then despawns

[small timber]

Devs do not work 24/7, therefore there need to be priority on what things to do first

For now boss rush (to certain degree AEW) are not as prioritized as other things, as simple as that, especially considering the progression they are located at is literally after the usual final boss you can encounter which makes them even less prioritized (+shadowspec weapons being largely imbalanced)

[frosty trellis]

Endogensis being worse than 11 slot saros, contagion being way better than fucking everything, no balancing

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren #suggestions-discussion message

this exact suggestion has been rejected so many times

because they dont want to

and tbf finding hive cysts isnt that hard

[swift frigate]

funny

@cyan lagoon?

[swift wharf]

that is the point

teratoma is post hive so the boss becomes farmable after

same with deus, scal etc

[novel belfry]

did the feller of evergreens just get nerfed?

[frosty trellis]

@grim tusk Post cultist rogue on ML stuff

[grim tusk]

How much free time do you even have?

[grim tusk]

Yes, made no sense how strong it was and how easy it was to get

[novel belfry]

i mean, i guess

but still, i really want to have a pretty strong axe

i'd prefer if feller got harder to obtain

but then again, feller isnt really much otherwise

and the bigger weapon problem i have is virid vanguard anyways

[swift wharf]

feller has no reason to exist

[grim tusk]

Feller is literally Lucy but stupidly easy to get

[hot zephyr]

Axe of Regrowth

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[frosty trellis]

How much free time do I have? A lot considering I don't have much to do while waiting for the college I want to get into to email me back after taking the aptitude test

[ruby plover]

yes lol

[median geyser]

What he said

[drowsy plank]

feller is going to fucking die and i will be so happy when it does

[swift wharf]

should've ended like spectre rifle

nerf → removed

[drowsy plank]

it still can :)

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

this sugg WILL pass inshallah

but fr i hope it gets a bit more momentum now, it was so close to passing last time there were just a ton of really high star suggs then

[swift wharf]

this is weird

not the suggestion, but the rod itself

does it actually have the same stats as fiberglass

[cobalt pewter]

yes

aside from bobber velocity

which scarab has 1 more

but it's a pointless stat so

the two are essentially the same

[swift wharf]

truly

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Flamethrowers More Debuff Centric (or at least make their debuffs more powerful)]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Bring Devil's Sunrise Up to the Same Level of Quality as the Rest of the Mod]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@vocal gust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[**Make Magic Tome animations feel more unique (similar to Rancor and Heresy) **]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[short walrus]

oh hell yeah those two got accepted

[hot zephyr]

flamethrowers being debuff centric ranged weapon seems like a given, seeing how 1.4.4's kickass flamethrower reworks have a pretty potent debuff attached

devil's sunrise is bland, I agree

[short walrus]

one of the best things to come out of 1.4.4 imo

can't wait to yeet this sword around

[hot zephyr]

giving all magic tome animations similar to rancor and heresy, while cool as an idea, would probably diminish the cool factor of the other tomes while also requiring a pretty big amount of effort

[short walrus]

m

[cobalt pewter]

i wonder how halley's inferno would work with 1.4.4 flamethrower rework

does it just shoot a concentrated ball of flaming comet

[short walrus]

@eager jungle 1.4.4 already doubles buff slots, wait until that rolls around

[eager jungle]

Really damn

[quiet kernel]

Also if the buffs are op, dont use them

[hollow shell]

That's a very strange way of wording that suggestion

[eager jungle]

???

[hollow shell]

"Buff potion cap" meaning "Make it so you can have less buffs at a time"

[eager jungle]

Yes

[hollow shell]

"Buff" usually implies something beneficial for the player

[eager jungle]

Explain please

[hollow shell]

Oh
Sorry, I read it completely wrong due to the double meaning of "buff"

I read "buff" as an action

[eager jungle]

Oh

[hollow shell]

Rather than "[buff potion] cap"

[eager jungle]

Oh I can see how that would be unclear

[short walrus]

oh what

jokes on me for not reading the sugg

[hollow shell]

Probably solveable by making it more verbose
i.e. "Limit the amount of buff potion buffs that the player can have at a time"

[eager jungle]

Should I change it

[hollow shell]

You can if you want to

[short walrus]

or put cap infront

"cap buff potions"

[hollow shell]

Preferably you should also add more to your reasoning
Because this is almost certainly going to be a difficult suggestion to get people's approval on, so you should add as much as you can to convince people to Star it

[frosty trellis]

@hollow shell

[eager jungle]

@frosty trellis agreed

[frosty trellis]

@hollow shell Another

[hollow shell]

It keeps happening

[sand ermine]

hmmm?

whats going on :3

im assuming bot invites

[hollow shell]

byeah

Is it just me or is the obvious solution to Sabaton just making it so the explosion has an 8 second cooldown, and you have access the hold-down fastfall at all times

Having a fast-fall mount doesn't invalidate the purpose of a fast-fall accessory either
Cuz mounts put you in a more restricted action state, and there exist other usable mounts that don't have fast-falls that you may want to use instead

[crude geode]

Mounts don’t have dashes

hence why 99% of the player base doesn’t use them in combat

[frosty trellis]

You can dash while holding down s to fastfall

Regardless

It does need some form of a rework

[vocal gust]

[cobalt pewter]

except not really, most people who know how to use these just rapidly mounted and demounted when they actually wanted to fast fall

and Sabaton is still extremely restricted while consuming an accessory slot

but yes

the fastfall on Sabaton could not have the cd anymore, just the explosion

I really don't wanna sabaton to be removed because it has a cool potential, it's just very very overshadowed by mounts

but if it's removed, it is what it is

[crude geode]

if mounts were less just. horizontal/fall speed it would indirectly buff sabaton

but iirc my sugg regarding that got rejected

[hollow shell]

(Slimy Saddle really should be nerfed if it hasn't already been
Especially now that QS's mount exists)

[blazing kettle]

just use the portal gun to fall fast

[cobalt pewter]

it hasn't been I guess?

[small timber]

the only main argument against fast fall mount is basically your horizontal movement is often very limited

[cobalt pewter]

its only downside is lack of fall dmg protection

[small timber]

by which a player's own fast fall accessory can completely ignore

otherwise yeah mount will just be better

[cobalt pewter]

(there's a bit of things that give fall dmg immune early game too)

[crude geode]

as long as you have half a brain cell this doesn't matter

[small timber]

sabaton needs to have like, no cooldown (literally), and it maybe good

[crude geode]

(hm at least)

[cobalt pewter]

cue to me drinking while using slime mount down a hellevator and forgetting that aspect when I landed violently

but yes

[crude geode]

[small timber]

which do make sense since currently players just have a build in "hold s to fall faster" with no cooldown already

[hollow shell]

Or we can make it so the fast-fall mounts have to be mounted for a second or two before they actually gain any faster-than-typical vertical velocity
so that they act less as instantaneous dash-like movement options, and that gives Gravistar the better niche of remaining instantaneous

[cobalt pewter]

the thing cal added just accelerates at which you actually reach max fall speed

it doesn't actually raise max fall speed

[small timber]

oh trust me if it is as fast as slime mount at 0 cooldown people will use it

because increased fall speed on demand is an AMAZING effect

the current main limitation is sabaton have a 8 second cooldown

[crude geode]

for an acc slot?

[small timber]

yes

[crude geode]

when slime mounts exist?

[small timber]

because you can have free horizontal movement, which slime mount limits you

[crude geode]

I like the idea of more major buffs for gravistar (and major nerfs for slime mounts) considering it's pretty much never been good

[small timber]

the same argument is basically can be use on other movement accessory, the likes of soaring insignia, aerostone and etc:
are they worth an accessory slot? some people say definitely no just use emblem while others say they are overpowered

tldr of it

[crude geode]

feels like a bit of a stretch to compare gravistar's downward mobility on demand to soaring insignia

esp. when slime mount exists

[small timber]

slime mount is good when you only do it once in a while, but when you want to fall down at multiple occassion (and by a small amount only to dodge attack) slime mount is not that versatile

[hollow shell]

Define "limits"

Compared to wings yes I guess that's true

[crude geode]

again, I'd rather overbuff than underbuff gravistar

[hollow shell]

But the main use case of slime mount is that you can use it like a downward dash

[small timber]

yeah

[hollow shell]

You can press quickmount and get instant higher-than-normal-max-fall-speed downward speed

and you can press quickmount again to disengage just as fast

[small timber]

in worst case scenerio then it will just be as you say, it is a slime mount that cost an accessory slot and thats the end of it

[hollow shell]

Who the fuck uses a water arena

[crude geode]

^

[hollow shell]

Good on you lad

[crude geode]

We found one of the 5 people

#suggestions-posting message
This sugg is going to be very funny to watch die in voting lacking a lot of reasoning for such a controversial idea.

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[small timber]

I dont really think the potion cap suggestion make a lot of sense before double debuff slot yeah

[crude geode]

Potion buffs being op is something I have heard thrown around by testers and with how accessible potions are now (blood orbs and shops my beloathed </3) I would have to agree

[cobalt pewter]

truffle doesn't even require water anymore

it procs on rain, and hell, below 50% HP

[small timber]

potion buff is overpowered but main thing to counter it is that currently there is already a potion buff cap (that being buff slots)

[crude geode]

So until 1.4.4 we don’t have to worry :)

[small timber]

for example this is how much buff you can use on summoner before just maxing out

[small timber]

yeah basically

[crude geode]

Poor poor summoner

[small timber]

(I forgot what cursed flame flask is supposed to be, but zen is supposed to be boss zen)

[crude geode]

Prolly cursed flame bc whips

Or ichor or smthn

[small timber]

to me the suggestion is just comes abit too early, it should be post 1.4.4 as others saod

because when potion buff slots are doubled, then you can do these:

or

[eager jungle]

I think there is already an alcohol cap

Sort of

[small timber]

cirrus dress ignore alcohol cap

[eager jungle]

Oh

[small timber]

so tldr if you compare to the first summoner image (which is how it is right now), you dont really need to cap potion buffs

for now

[crude geode]

1.4.4 my beloved

[eager jungle]

Post 1.4.4 definitely needs a cap

[crude geode]

It will be very hard to pass voting

[crude geode]

Granted

[hollow shell]

The glassest cannon I ever did see

[frosty trellis]

(Considering it's faster than the sus bean yeah fair)

[pastel crow]

we tried but it wasn't really possible code wise, so reducing horizontal speed was the compromise

bean shouldn't have existed and I hate it and wish for it to disappear

[frosty trellis]

But my fast fall in water......

[hollow shell]

(I find that difficult to believe but I spose it's not my area of expertise)

[frosty trellis]

Oh hey Xyk since you're here, the DS and AS shortswords are , especially the AS one being worse than Aftershock and Avalanche by a mile dps wise and usability wise

[crude geode]

Didn’t it have literal walking speed anyways

[hollow shell]

It was at least faster than non-Hermes walking in vanilla, I know that

Better acceleration too

[pastel crow]

we should delete them 👍 (someone else already talked to me about them)

[frosty trellis]

Sounds like a great idea

[versed cape]

Pls make a good melee weapon as a replacement

[frosty trellis]

Not like either needs a melee drop anyways with 2 sea remains melee weapons and the best yoyo for awhile in the acid rain t2 from AS

[crude geode]

Does melee not have enough

[versed cape]

Never

[crude geode]

[versed cape]

Yoyos are weird, not everyone wants to use them

[crude geode]

Just use the enchanted sword or the ore weapons or like any of the other 500 weapons

[frosty trellis]

Sulfurous grabber is unironically amazing

[pastel crow]

"melee is so roided up right now I could probably chop off two of its limbs and it would still stand strong"

[frosty trellis]

LITERALLY THOUGH

[crude geode]

Literal Melee Bias

[frosty trellis]

Kill like half the pre mech boss melee weapons and no one would notice

[versed cape]

And every other class gets 2 weapons from AS+AR, melee should have 2 too

[frosty trellis]

I think removing them for now is fine

Then if need be a new weapon can come up

[crude geode]

Melee already has enough weapons people don’t use bc funny ark line

[frosty trellis]

But like, if you want a post 1 mech boss melee weapon (Bc AS is supposed to be post 1 mech) brimstone sword r.click is right there

[versed cape]

Brimstone sword plays more like a rogue weapon than melee

Needs a rework

[pastel crow]

ark and biome blade line when it destroyed melee as a class

[frosty trellis]

See I would agree with that if Ark of the Ancients and Galaxia were any good

Which neither are

[hollow shell]

*SAVED

[pastel crow]

they will be eventually

[hollow shell]

🙏

[crude geode]

a weapon doesn’t need to be good to kill class identity

[frosty trellis]

THANK GOD

[tardy smelt]

Wdym by "destroyed"...?

[frosty trellis]

I want Galaxia to not be Shitlaxia bc it's really cool
AotA I have no idea how you would fix that because the bosses on it's tier make it a complete nightmare to use

[inner anvil]

We rework it.
Again.

[frosty trellis]

AotA? Zamn

[tardy smelt]

[frosty trellis]

Makes sense though

[inner anvil]

No. Galaxia.

[crude geode]

God

[frosty trellis]

WHAT

Galaxia is like, really cool

It's attunements just need buffs

[crude geode]

Melee weapons really be taking up 500 reworks before mana is even touched (which is fair)

[inner anvil]

That thing is basically useless.

[pastel crow]

basically there's a biome blade or ark option at every point of the game, so there's no need to interact with anything outside of those two lines in a melee playthrough. they have so many effects that there really isn't a boss they cant handle (unless they are too weak numbers wise like galaxia)

[crude geode]

.

[tardy smelt]

That's quite the predicament alright

[frosty trellis]

(Pre DoG be like: AotE and TBB are completely useless here, you don't get anny funny- ah fuck terror blade kills dog so fast you won't even remember that since you can just craft galaxia afterwards)

[tardy smelt]

So like, what do you do about that?

[hollow shell]

I personally am fine with that because the Ark and BB lines are the most interesting melee lines in the mod
So having them be dominant too is frankly poggers
Players get to experience a much cooler melee playthrough and not be forced to use boring beamswords cuz the interesting swords aren't viable

[tardy smelt]

Yup

One day a bit of the rest of melee might catch up

[crude geode]

I wish the other classes had something as cool as the ark and bb lines

But rn it kinda is just a couple cool things sprinkled throughout the mod

[tardy smelt]

There's stuff like the started oathsword line rework and (potentially) an Caustic Edge line rework planned

And stuff like reworked Exoblade's already being rolled out

[hollow shell]

Those are both true

[frosty trellis]

See I would be cool with it too if:
A: The lines were good (which not all of them are, and there is a TBB attunement that is the definition of dogshit)
B: It wasn't like the only option or even like, the best option per se for every tier. Can use the cool options and they are perfectly viable but if you want raw power then can try out other things

[hollow shell]

These two points conflict with each other.

[frosty trellis]

(With the exception of AotC if you're really good with it, bc if you're good with it, it should be fantastic)

[frosty trellis]

How does:
Both lines are good
Both lines are viable but not the best options

Conflict?

[tardy smelt]

I'm betting that the oathsword reworks mostly depend on Dom getting the motivation to code the last three...and for the caustic edge reworks, gosh knows when that'll happen

[frosty trellis]

devplans.png moment

[hollow shell]

It seemed like you were upset that they were good and upset that they were not good

[crude geode]

^

[frosty trellis]

Ah

[hollow shell]

But yeah I get it
They're too inconsistent throughout the game is what you're saying
Too much goodness sometimes and too much badness sometimes

[frosty trellis]

It's rather just I would like the cool options to exist, want them to be powerful, but don't want them to overshadow the other options in raw power

[crude geode]

Balancing be like

[versed cape]

Is that really true?

What weapon would you use for dog

[frosty trellis]

Yeah was going to say

AotE is Not A DoG Weapon

But you get terror blade anyways and terror blade just a very funny weapon

[versed cape]

Imo give ark line a bit more love, its missing some content and viability;)

[tardy smelt]

It's not as bad as you'd think last I tried it

[hollow shell]

You gotta be careful with that, cuz

You don't want an option that is harder to use have the same DPS ceiling as an option that is easy to use
Ideally the more complex weapon would have the greatest potential, to encourage players to learn how to use it to its fullest potential, with the simpler weapon being the more accessible consistent not-as-optimal go-to

[tardy smelt]

^

[pastel crow]

I've seen and tried fractured ark vs Plantera and Ark of the elements vs DoG. Both were serviceable

[frosty trellis]

FA is great
AotA is terrible
AotE is broken as shit
AotC is quite strong but can be tricky to use

(Seriously sometimes the parry with SCal's projectiles Does Not Make Sense)

[hollow shell]

FA was amazing in my recent experience

[crude geode]

I’d rather see other classes get cool stuff compared to melee getting ALL of the recent toys (outside of cool new early game additions) THOUGH I haven’t checked out recent update

[hollow shell]

At least it was what I always used when exploring and stuff

[crude geode]

But like

[neat linden]

Even with recent nerfs frark is great

[tardy smelt]

Fairfair

[crude geode]

Ark line compared to the staff line in terraria is just

[frosty trellis]

HG and SSV reworks are amazing
Anomolys Nanogun is fucking wild

[versed cape]

The ranger suggestion will get denied. Blame the community

[tardy smelt]

Part of that is just

Well

Melee was the worst class overall

[neat linden]

Anomaly's Nanogun right click when it's the most fun ranged weapon for Yharon

[crude geode]

HG?

[frosty trellis]

Heavenly Gale

[neat linden]

heavenly gale

[frosty trellis]

HG is I think the 3rd best ranger option for SCal rn

Behind Photo and tyrannys

[tardy smelt]

So it needed fixing first of all

[crude geode]

Indeed

[hollow shell]

Melee needed it most imo, not in a lack of options but in a lack of fun options
Its - to - ratio was/is awful cuz of its bloat

[tardy smelt]

^

[hollow shell]

It is fair to say that ranger and mage deserve some attention now that melee does have its cool new lines

[tardy smelt]

But other classes are catching up, slowly

[frosty trellis]

You know what else is bloat? The 20 post dog ranger weapons

[tardy smelt]

Summoner's already getting some love

[pastel crow]

donator weapons moment

[frosty trellis]

Xyk there are more non-donor post dog ranger weapons then there are donor post dog ranger weapons

[neat linden]

melee has a ton of weapons no one ever touches

like

[frosty trellis]

It's not their fault

[neat linden]

who has ever used Abyss Blade

[hollow shell]

Mage did have some relatively extensive stuff planned for it

[neat linden]

okay people have

but not many

[hollow shell]

Ranger not as encompassing, admittedly

[frosty trellis]

Abyss blade sucks

Neptunes Bounty is melee's 2nd best option for DoG rn

[neat linden]

That still does not change the fact there are a lot of donor weapons on this tier

[crude geode]

I remember pixl bringing up massive ideas but also bringing it into fruition is hard

I would love to see more one off weapons instead of just this bitch

[hollow shell]

GIANT helium flash

[tardy smelt]

I pitched this one wacky idea to Stippy in the nohit lounge- I wonder if he brought it up, and if so, I wonder if it got approved

[hollow shell]

whom Stippy

[frosty trellis]

Stipulate Venus

[pastel crow]

Helium flash my beloved

[hollow shell]

Ok

[neat linden]

with melee
darklight is also not used very commonly but holy shit the resprite it got

[crude geode]

Helium flash my inferno fork ripoff </3

[frosty trellis]

Helium Flash is mage's best option for exos and 2nd best option for SCal behind SSV

[neat linden]

this is cool

compared to the old one especially

[cobalt pewter]

typical reaction to a donor item :clue

[crude geode]

Truly

[frosty trellis]

Helium Flash needs a nerf bc it's like 4 minute exos

[versed cape]

Imo all cryogen weapons are underused because cryogen sucks

[hollow shell]

(yeah you see the problem there is Pixl is.. not leading the charge on that anymore
So I have no idea what's gonna happen with those plans)

[cobalt pewter]

you suck probably

cryogen is alright, but his weapons are indeed pretty meh

[versed cape]

Surely

[tardy smelt]

This update alone added three summon weapons (Puff Shroom, Warlok's Moon Fist (donor), Atlas Munitions Beacon (awesome)) and got 4 reworks (Rusty Beacon Prototype, Infected Remote (donor!!!), Cosmilamp and Virid Vanguard

[neat linden]

~~normality relocator shouldn't have existed and I hate it and i wish for it to disappear ~~

[crude geode]

Prolly dead in the water

[cobalt pewter]

also the silly permafrost weapons exist because?

[crude geode]

Cal loves ice weapons

[neat linden]

munitions beacon is also a summon weapon

[tardy smelt]

O right

[neat linden]

a sentry but summon nonetheless

[cobalt pewter]

it deals summon dmg

so it is summon

[hollow shell]

Because at the time, giving the NPC a purpose mattered more than mitigating bloat
So he was just given things rather than actually looking at what was needed for the tier

[cobalt pewter]

Infected Remote is a [Specil] case I think?

[tardy smelt]

I dunno

[neat linden]

current permafrost has little to no use tbf

some niche weapons, mage accessory

[cobalt pewter]

ye fair, even Amidias has something, so it's odd for Permafrost to just be another vendor NPC

[tardy smelt]

I recall Thomas (the donor) despising its old iteration

[crude geode]

Tbh a npc having purpose still matters

[versed cape]

Absolute zero tho?

[neat linden]

exceptions exist

some of the niche weapons are quite good

[hollow shell]

byeah, many many ideas have been tossed around about what core purpose Perma could have
Something unique and distinct

But nothing stuck afaik

[neat linden]

but like

[crude geode]

It’s kinda hard to give him a unique purpose considering Wizard is right there filling up the “mage npc” slot

[cobalt pewter]

actually only Permafrost doesn't have any unique function maybe

Amidias has the water buff
Bandit has reforging refunds
Cirrus, I guess her death count? but probably her alcohols being a somewhat unique take on buff potions
and Calamitas, enchantments and exhumes

[neat linden]

permafrost's unique function is selling weapons

[versed cape]

Maybe give perma some permanent mage upgrade, since hes a mage after all and more bad weapons aren’t necessary

[tardy smelt]

Bandit works as being a rogue-oriented vendor imo

[neat linden]

yeah it works

[cobalt pewter]

I think her having a reforge refund stuck more to the general players than her being a rogue vendor

[lost valley]

True!

[hollow shell]

Not an awful idea
We could sacrifice Comet Shard in favor of giving that boost to Perma somehow

[cobalt pewter]

hell even one of her requirements to spawn is having a platinum coin

[neat linden]

each class has a specific merchant for them

so rogue having one is fine

[neat linden]

Wait shit does melee have one

[tardy smelt]

Filling the same niche that Arms Dealer does for ranger, Wizard for mage and Witch Doctor for summoner

[cobalt pewter]

or is it just post skelly now I don't remember

[versed cape]

Or something else entirety, maybe faster mana regen

[cobalt pewter]

anyways yeah

[crude geode]

Merchant

[neat linden]

So true

[hollow shell]

Sickle

[tardy smelt]

Nope but does it need one with how much stuff it has

[neat linden]

Not really

[lost valley]

melee needs more weapons guys

[versed cape]

So true

[cobalt pewter]

make a melee oriented NPC that just gives you Nail Arts.

that's it

[tardy smelt]

make getting the boost be a sidequest of sorts

[cobalt pewter]

that's the whole function

[crude geode]

The problem with giving archmage anything to do with mage specifically is the question of “why is this not on Wizard”

[tardy smelt]

[cobalt pewter]

Permafrost (and by extension, Cryogen) can probably be moved somewhere else so that that stigma can just be gone?

[pastel crow]

Sure, but it fills it's niche at the tier while being satisfying to use so I don't think it needs any changes. I guess the visuals could be better but the visuals can always be better when the bar rises like every month... 🗿

[cobalt pewter]

not sure where you'd move Permafrost tho

[tardy smelt]

It would be funny if all the mage mana boosts were acquirable through permafrost though

[hollow shell]

hmmmMMMm
all, you say

[crude geode]

Permafrost’s two defining features are “frost” and “mage”
one of them exists already in Wizard so cal currently goes with the other one

[cobalt pewter]

mana stars too

no more phm 200 mana 🚎

[crude geode]

Which has resulted in current blegh archmage

[neat linden]

Imagine pre hm cryogen or post ml cryogen :tro

[tardy smelt]

That's why I said "funny"

[hollow shell]

Permafrost was sealed inside.. Deerclops

[tardy smelt]

Quirky

Controversial idea

[crude geode]

[tardy smelt]

Not like other npc vendors

[cobalt pewter]

here is where I would've made a witty Don't Starve joke but I never played the game

[crude geode]

Permafrost was too busy in the Shadow Chair

[tardy smelt]

@eternal escarp help this man

[pastel crow]

archmage should have been a purely lore character and not appeared in game as an npc

[eternal escarp]

hi

[crude geode]

Yes

[hollow shell]

I like the idea

[cobalt pewter]

Permafrost permanently becomes Vergil

his sprite just sits on a plastic chair at all times

[tardy smelt]

O-

[crude geode]

Just replace the Wizard alt sprite with permafrost

[eternal escarp]

permafrost is secretly from The Constant

[crude geode]

[eternal escarp]

boom

[hollow shell]

Crafting my beloathed
I will jump at the opportunity to give stuff sources other than crafting (or NPC drops)

[versed cape]

I think moving cryogen to phm is a pretty good idea

[tardy smelt]

[neat linden]

i personally like the idea of mana upgrades being from permafrost

[hollow shell]

I might've agreed with you before 1.4.3

[crude geode]

^

[eternal escarp]

cryogen being prehm sounds like just asking for a lot of change to his actual AI

[cobalt pewter]

Deerclops already exists, but I don't think no one at cal bothers to touch on Deerclops anytime soon so you can probably swap both and no one will notice

[versed cape]

You could have perma sell a mana upgrade there which is very useful at that point and give some variety in a part of the game where nearly nothing exists outside of statigel and aerialite

[eternal escarp]

i think i am the singular Deerclops lover

so

yeha

[crude geode]

Deerclops is fun people just forget him like crabulon

[tardy smelt]

Itd be funny if you could get them through grimm-troupe delicate flower like rituals- say, "carrying" a spell to a certain biome to unlock the boost

[cobalt pewter]

I'm less a lover and more of a....not sure what's the good word for it, sympathizer?

[versed cape]

Just make less and slower projectiles

[eternal escarp]

no people rather get mad because he can sometimes telefrag you, as if other bosses cant

[tardy smelt]

I'd appreciate him more if cal did

[hollow shell]

Delicate Flower type rituals

[tardy smelt]

[crude geode]

Please no

[cobalt pewter]

now this gets spicy

[eternal escarp]

kinda oversimplifying it i think

its not "just do that"

[versed cape]

Maybe

[lost valley]

just make it easier ofc

[hollow shell]

But uh yeah I'll keep this all in mind but for now I need to sleep cuz the sun's rising Goodnight

[cobalt pewter]

god

[tardy smelt]

Ninight!

👋

[crude geode]

Gn!

[cobalt pewter]

just port infernum deerclops to cal

surely nothing will go wrong

[crude geode]

@ pixl help we accidentally turned into a think tank

[versed cape]

Gn and stay on that grind, gender neutral king 💪

[eternal escarp]

TRUE i like this idea

not biased

not like infernum deerclops is mostly a fruit of my mind

[pastel crow]

💀

[tardy smelt]

Samesame

[lost valley]

pretty sure the term would be monarch

[eternal escarp]

but yeah

[tardy smelt]

Then make an even crazier infernum version

[crude geode]

Does Cal even mess with deerclops currenrly

[tardy smelt]

Subworld deerclops

[eternal escarp]

only DR and HP

[crude geode]

Figures

[eternal escarp]

no AI as of yet

[crude geode]

Too busy buffing melee to make deerclops cool

[versed cape]

True but thats lame

[crude geode]

[eternal escarp]

this sounds like a jab at xyk

[cobalt pewter]

laao

[crude geode]

It’s a jab at every tester smh my head just become developers

[eternal escarp]

true!!!!!!!

[lost valley]

melee needs to be stronger tbh, more homing swords

[eternal escarp]

omw to learn code in the span of 2 days and get fabs permission to make dclops rev ai

[pastel crow]

Sorry, I don't know how to code and If I did deerclops isn't worth my time

[eternal escarp]

nothing will go wrong

[crude geode]

[cobalt pewter]

deerclops gets insane resistance to true melee since you need to fight it in that range anyways :clue

[tardy smelt]

[crude geode]

I forgot until I posted that message that fab is the only person allowed to do boss ai

[cobalt pewter]

inb4 the former is easier

[crude geode]

I would not be surprised tbh

[cobalt pewter]

The worst thing with System Bane is that

you can't actually recall existing projectiles

so you're stuck watching them be in a bad position for a few seconds

[tardy smelt]

System Bane is prolly the weakest rogue arsenal weapon functionality-wise

[neat linden]

it's quite weird to use indeed

it's good dps for like ravager or cultist

but it's not great to use

[cobalt pewter]

yeah

visual wise I'd have to go with Plasma Grenade

it just lacks strength and impact on hits

but the other three are good

shart my beloved

[tardy smelt]

Plasmanade is fine imo

Its just a biiiiit similar to Wave Pounder except with a less cool visual

I think it's
Wave Pounder > Tracking Disk > Frequency Manipulator > Dynamic Pursuer > Plasma Grenade > System Bane
for me

[cobalt pewter]

fair enough

[gray nebula]

splama grenade has cool hand animated blasts wth

[cobalt pewter]

in isolation the blast is cool but like

is it shart tier in impact

precisely

but yeah I think plasma grenade functionally doesn't do

much

either

it's just a grenade

as a concept plasma grenade is just

that

[short walrus]

ping moonburn to do their sound effect magic

[cobalt pewter]

meanwhile Tracking Disk has a constant laser pressure while it's out

Frequency Manipulator (while statistically very broken atm) has a very satisfying reward with its small hitbox

System Bane needs a lot technical improvements but I really like its concept, spiky ball that significantly slows itself down on platforms and do the bzz

and I don't need to explain shart

[swift wharf]

frequency manipulator has the spin

so it is automatically good

[tardy smelt]

they are quite cool :p

the problem arises due to the rogue weapon a tier below it
-also is a bomb with a huge AoE
-has a way cooler and more impactful explosion effect

even if I like Plasma Grenades, I wish its identity/functionality could be just a tiny bit more different than that of Wave Pounder

[cobalt pewter]

shart shrimply is superior

it replicates the feeling of a huge fart perfectly

[lucid flare]

what .is shart

[frail mantle]

presumably wave pounder

[lucid flare]

yea i love wave pounder

but yea unfortunately plasma grenade is lacking compared to pounder

even if it has the hand drawn animation

[short walrus]

shrimply switch their progression then

[lucid flare]

Wave Grenade and Plasma Pounder

[short walrus]

this is a joke this is a joke this is a joke

[lucid flare]

arsenal summoner weapons are also kinda Arse

[cobalt pewter]

I'd kill to use shart on exos

but I guess since they had this whole kinda chart on arsenal "element" type per class and tier

[short walrus]

yeah

i guess it could be done fairly easily

[lucid flare]

where chart

i saw it but idk where it is

[cobalt pewter]

it was buried somewhere

[short walrus]

here

[cobalt pewter]

yea

well T5 is outdated

and T2 actually

but still relevant

[lucid flare]

THIS IS ANCIENT

what is that tier 2 bar

[cobalt pewter]

Hallowed

[short walrus]

hallow

[cobalt pewter]

back before early hm rework

[short walrus]

old ctp my behated

[lucid flare]

what the hëll

[cobalt pewter]

and before darksun changes

since I think that's when they also moved T5 back

from post Yharon to post DoG

[lucid flare]

also i think that ranger's final arsenal weapon is kinda small for its tier

[short walrus]

if there was a switch, you could probably just rename it to plasma wave pounder and gauss grenade or something like that

[cobalt pewter]

I think Plasma Grenade can just get a rework instead of moving em around

make it more than a silly nade

I'm still anticipating Supernova rework

[lucid flare]

given how the entire thing works you'd probably have 2 shift even more weapons

[short walrus]

i mean

[lucid flare]

.

nvm lma9

[cobalt pewter]

I do think not every arsenal weapons are that popular

like T1

[short walrus]

keep the energy type, just rename it a bit

[cobalt pewter]

Tracking Disk and maybe Taser?

T2 has Freq Manipulator and Mounted Scanner as the sillies, and idr how HVC is vs Destroyer now

and it's clear mage and ranger have problems when they're both guns in looks and functionality, just one class uses mana instead

and I don't remember if arsenal weapons still have the quirky extra dmg against organic / inorganic shit

probably removed at some point because I never read them in tooltips anymore

[short walrus]

they don't

[radiant meadow]

@whole kelp fyi, I tried making Laboratory Screens work like signs before

Sign code is what we call, less than desirable to work with

I would agree with the suggestion, if trying to implement it didn't give me a headache

@half imp are you sure hellfire treads don't work with vulnerability hex? I see no reason for it not to in the code

yeah it definitely looks like hellfire treads affect it

for me

I also tested against some bosses and with hellfire treads I got a faster kill time almost every time

[distant gyro]

the illusion of numbers

[drowsy plank]

numbres

[distant gyro]

to be fair not even dom knew how DoTs work

[swift wharf]

I did not know that hex was a fire debuff

[small timber]

they probably looked at the damage number and assumed it didnt change = didnt worked?

since tbf the hellfire treads tooltip do make it look more like "amplify fire debuff damage by 1.5x"

[frosty trellis]

It was weird bc other debuffs were affected but it didn't seem like hex was?

[distant gyro]

you were trolled by intentional design

and now you need my third crashcourse of how npc life regen works

[half imp]

huh odd, I did have a few bugs with HF treads that I wasn't able to recreate consistently, maybe this was one of them

[tardy smelt]

I recall Lizard using it on Thanatos in his nohit

[half imp]

stuff like HF treads actually halfing Debuff damage when used alongside slime + oiled but only sometimes

(or well, halving after the 1.5x mult)

(5500 damage from demon flames per tick would sometimes be 2750 and I don't know why)

[half imp]

(or maybe I'm just really bad at the game and math, defo possible)

[distant gyro]

NPC damage over time debuffs mainly run on 2 values, life regen and damage value.
Life regen is the internal variable that is the sole determiner of how much DPS a debuff deals. The amount of DPS dealt by a damage over time is always equal to (Life Regen / 2).
Damage value is the visible variable that displays combat text while a debuff is applied. While damage value is the part that actually damages the NPC, it is not an indication of DPS.
This is because life regen runs on an NPC as a counter proportionately to time, increasing until it reaches the damage value, which will then force one "damage tick". Here's some examples:

• A debuff applies 120 reduced life regen with a damage value of 1. It will deal 1 damage every 1 frame, for a total of 60 DPS.
• A debuff applies 100 reduced life regen with a damage value of 20. It will deal 20 damage every 24 frames, for a total of 50 DPS.

Typically, a debuff in Calamity has a damage value of (Life Regen / 5) which means it will cause a damage tick (equal to the damage value) every 24 frames. However, Vulnerability Hex is a special debuff that intentionally has a fixed damage value of 666 (for obvious references), which means manipulating the life regen will only change how frequent the "666" damage will run.

@half imp @frosty trellis

[half imp]

yeah

I figured that out from my testing, it was incredibly obvious when I used slimed + oiled

I just didn't really see a difference with HF treads but I probably just made a mistake somewhere

[distant gyro]

As I said though, Dom and Brav both fell for this

They both thought Sulph Poisoning did 36 DPS because it shows 36 as the damage value

[half imp]

lol

[vocal grotto]

Debuffs 🙂

[half imp]

yeah, I noticed as well that the debuff ticker isn't entirely accurate with multiple debuffs

Only shows the highest damage one

but they do still stack ofc

[small timber]

then slimed just make the debuff tick 5x faster or 5x damage?

(assuming vulnerable target)

[distant gyro]

for vhex the debuff ticks 5x faster

[half imp]

yeah

[distant gyro]

for other debuffs it does 5x damage

[radiant meadow]

slimed and oiled are stronger multipliers

[half imp]

Otherwise 5x damage

[radiant meadow]

that's why it's more noticeable

[half imp]

definitely

[swift wharf]

Was this what caused Rusty beacon funnies

[half imp]

2x and 5x respectively vs 1.5x

[half imp]

yeah

[swift wharf]

[half imp]

That plus almost every PHM boss being weak to sickness

meaning it actually does 180 per damage tick on them, not 36

[swift wharf]

lmao

while the devs are here why is blood clot staff vile feeder 2

(by vile feeder 2 I mean when vile feeder was broken)

[distant gyro]

yeah

[swift wharf]

yeah what

[distant gyro]

I buffed it with an add-on, some parts of the code weren't saved, and then I sent my conclusions clueless

[swift wharf]

aint no way +9 dmg broke it

[distant gyro]

it was only taking speed buffs when I thought it also took damage buffs

+9 damage is a lot though considering defense moments and belladonna 2

[small timber]

and +9 get amplified by other increase damage sources

[swift wharf]

[half imp]

It's literally more than double damage

also the iframe changed iirc, don't know how that played in

[swift wharf]

Ig they ummm

[distant gyro]

iframes are practically the same

[half imp]

30 local iframes now, don't know what they were before

[swift wharf]

swarming enemies at mach 4 also helps with the dps

[half imp]

yeah

[distant gyro]

10 to 30

[half imp]

ahh

[distant gyro]

but 2 extra updates

[half imp]

yeah

[distant gyro]

so it still hits the same rate

[half imp]

So practically the same yeah

that explains why the wiki changelog didn't mention the iframe change

[small timber]

@frigid hawk dont post completely unrelated to calamity thing as a suggestion

that for obvious reason is not a calamity resprite, nor is something calamity have a plan respriting

[frigid hawk]

Oh ok

So i need delete?

[small timber]

(and also I just realised that is server suggestion anyway)

[swift wharf]

emoji suggestions aren't allowed iirc

and I reckon that this applies to stickers

[small timber]

so ya delete please, server suggestion is not done through here (though I doubt it will get accepted even if you did it the proper way)

you can just, use that exact png you know, instead of making it a sticker

[frigid hawk]

☹️

[swift wharf]

mystical wise mourningwood is good sticker material tho

however that screenshot sucks

[frail mantle]

pass it through the modmail if you want to suggest it as a sticker

[deft yew]

Has Atlas Munitions Beacon been discussed

Apparently it sucks

[cobalt pewter]

very

apparently

not even as support

it's just bad bad

[upbeat yacht]

so is perdition now, apparently

[small timber]

sentry dont really have to be quote on quote "viable" I think

you basically place them for free

and for that, it do help yes

[deft yew]

We should at least compare it to one carrion

[small timber]

(I dont think they intent to make full sentry build an actual build)

wait it is worse than carrion?

[cobalt pewter]

it's hardlocked to 1 sentry at least

so it's already part of its issues

[deft yew]

i hate sentry count limits i hate sentry count limits i hate sentry count limits

[upbeat yacht]

i don't think they should be so bad either, especially since only 1 of each can exist

like, bro...

and yes, carrion is better than both of them

[deft yew]

I WANT perdition to die because it does not in the least act like a sentry

[small timber]

the tldr is this is basically extra dps you just get, since you have all your summons function as normal

but ya they definitely should be better than carrion still

[inner anvil]

I am the one who did that nerf, what's the problem?

[upbeat yacht]

it's worse than carrion now

[inner anvil]

The hell's Carrion.

[cobalt pewter]

the OD sentry

I think

[upbeat yacht]

yes

[inner anvil]

Forgot to nerf it, sorry.

[cobalt pewter]

god

[upbeat yacht]

trollage

[inner anvil]

But the Perdition nerf is justified.

And I'll probably nerf Carrion to like, 50 DMG or something.

[deft yew]

What’s its current damage

[cobalt pewter]

what's its full name again

[cobalt pewter]

I honestly don't remember

[deft yew]

384 to 50?

[inner anvil]

Yeah, sure.

It's a sentry.

[deft yew]

[inner anvil]

What? And you don't scream Perdition 444 to 100?

Lmao cope.

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[deft yew]

I don’t scream at Perdition because I hate Perdition

[inner anvil]

Well, then that's a bias.

But yes, I'll see how it performs, and then I'll nerf it as needed.

[tardy smelt]

I think its mostly a matter of that

sentries lead to more unique/inspired gameplay that summons do, generally

[cobalt pewter]

byeah maybe a nerf to Carrion is needed before anything can be done to Atlas sentry

[inner anvil]

Fun fact: Perdition was planned to be a normal minion, and then something happened, no clue, and it became a sentry in last minute release.

[cobalt pewter]

god

[inner anvil]

And that's why Perdition had 444 DMG.

Because it was supposed to be a normal minion.

[tardy smelt]

so it would be nice if using them made a decent difference in terms of your damage rather than being fun yet relatively obsolete gimmick weapons

[inner anvil]

IDK, look at Atlas Munitions or something.

[soft quest]

joking right? 😶

[tardy smelt]

yeah, AMB is a good example of what I'm referring to

[inner anvil]

I mean, that's a quick guess, if I need to I'll do it, if I need to nerf it to 100, then 100, depends on how OP it is.

[small timber]

The thing is it is insanely hard to balance sentry

[soft quest]

since when was carrion OP

[small timber]

Make them too strong you put 1 down in your normal summon build then you have 20% extra dps

[inner anvil]

IDK I've just been told.

Anyways, talking about sentries, I also nerfed Guidelight of Oblivion next update.

[soft quest]

sentries are the coolest thing about summoner

[tardy smelt]

you have to
-pay attention to where you place the standard
-keep the beacon item in hand and be able to pick up the gun on the fly
-actually aim at the boss and in the case of scal keep her out of walls
-pay attention to the overheating mechanic to make sure you don't lose the gun

[inner anvil]

So true & false at the same time.

[tardy smelt]

and potentially place the gun back on the beacon with the right timing

what about say, Virid Vanguard?

-you have to summon it
-maybe you rightclick to target whatever you're attacking

[soft quest]

they reward dodging the boss within their effective range to be good, really cool and unique design you don't see with any other class

[tardy smelt]

beyond that, the only depth most minions have is how well they catch up with different targets in different situations

[inner anvil]

IDK man, I like it, it goes slash fium and it does damage. 👍

Doesn't obstruct my vision so that's extra points.

[tardy smelt]

its got awesome visuals and does indeed do damage

[tardy smelt]

I would be fine with a fair share of minions being like that

but I'm not a fan of that well, almost every minion is like that

[inner anvil]

Oh well shame, I can't do a lot, I can balance it!

[small timber]

I think the only way to make sentry to be able to be good (without being broken) is like, put a summoner nerf on it, literally

Something like sentry deal 25% damage if you have minion

Otherwise you will need the nerf abovr yeah

[inner anvil]

No, I'm not making sentries able to be independent by themselves.

[tardy smelt]

that's fair-

[tardy smelt]

they don't need to be

[small timber]

Atlas munition beacon is definitely viable on scal though

[tardy smelt]

but it would be nice if they could be impactful as support weapons

[small timber]

Viables as in yes it is good enough

[inner anvil]

Anyways, I know how I'm balancing sentries already, and so far it's working fresh, so I'll continue doing it.

[tardy smelt]

like with whips-

[grim tusk]

@eager jungle why not just nerf potions? (And we literally killed Shattering (an extremely overpowered buff) last patch, turned crumbling and calamitas’ brews into flasks, nerfed Shadow, Penumbra, ale and we had nerfed archery and endurance already)

[inner anvil]

Yeah, that's the plan.

[tardy smelt]

mmhm

[inner anvil]

That has always been the plan.

Just not so well executed.

And here I am.

[tardy smelt]

I'll withhold my judgement until said poor execution of that idea has been dealt with, then :p

[inner anvil]

IDK, when I have free time.

I did balance Post-ML summoner minus 4 weapons in like a weekend.

[tardy smelt]

nicenice

[inner anvil]

And when I feel like it, very important this one.

[small timber]

Tbh what potion is even there that is not alcohol to be nerfed?

Rage wrath is already taken into account during balancing so no point in gutting them and rebalance everything, many defensive buffs like ironskin are pretty tamed

The others also never feel like significant outlier, the closeset one is cadance but it will just become a complain of "calaity nohit mod" again

[deft yew]

The only thing I would do to potions at this point is rework or remove the profaned damage ones

[crude geode]

Feels weird that you take potions from the corruption/crimson…and use random Sun god to enhance them

[lucid flare]

it's purified bro

[drowsy plank]

new prof rage/holy wrath will just be post-ML shimmered ez
now it makes sense totally :)

[swift wharf]

corruption? crimson? what are you talking about

[drowsy plank]

wrath/rage

[swift wharf]

just buy them from the witch doctor

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

clearly this means they're jungle themed

[swift wharf]

when you think about it the potions are just

fish that makes you angry

which is pretty goofy

[frail mantle]

"god fucking damn it i HATE koi why did i drink this"

[lucid flare]

oblatory needs a NERF!

or just a rework in general

because you can do things like this

[golden tulip]

what the hell is

oblatory

[lucid flare]

scal enchantment

it gives you +50% damage and -40% mana cost but it makes you sometimes lose 5 HP every time you use mana

and when you enchant something like Eternity with it....

[golden tulip]

[lucid flare]

(also it's mage exclusive)

[drowsy plank]

+50% damage...

[lucid flare]

look at how the tooltip says that it has a +72% damage multiplier

ok i can't record footage, but try something like, oblatory aetherflux cannon vs oblatory void vortex & just see the differences

[half imp]

Can I propose the idea of making sentry armors provide an extra strong buff to sentries to make solo sentry runs more viable if carrion, perdition, guidelight, etc are all getting nerfed?

[crude geode]

sentry only runs

[half imp]

(just like, extra sentry-only minion damage or something)

[inner anvil]

No.

[half imp]

sad!

fair but sad

[swift wharf]

falls into the subclass don't I think

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Its primary purpose is to be able to summon LC before you are normally able to.
It can drop right at the start of Hardmode

So once you beat Golem, yeah it doesn't serve much purpose cuz you can just, go kill the actual cultists

[drowsy plank]

isnt the cultist restriction because of a programming bug anyway?

[hollow shell]

I haven't heard of that before

I guess it could have some weird interactions if LC is alive and then you kill all four cultists, prompting the game to try to spawn another LC with a spawn animation

Could be resolved by instantly despawning the cultists and their tablet when you use Eidolon Tablet, I guess?
(Making sure that the despawn isn't interpreted by the game as them being killed)

[drowsy plank]

i always assumed as such

[ashen warren]

The problem is the building the arena around the dungeon is kinda annoying to do espicially when I have a perfectly good arena at base. also flying across the world to the dungeon takes to long in between attempts

[swift wharf]

skeletron arena:

[hollow shell]

You can add that as reasoning to your suggestion

[lucid flare]

every single problem that lunatic cultist has is also had by skeletron

except that if you run out of time you'll have to wait like idk 15 minutes to fight him again

unlike cultist who can be fought any time

[crude geode]

sleeping in beds be like

[hollow shell]

(also Calamity speeds up the respawn timer)

Oh nvm misread

Beds do indeed speed up time in 1.4

[worthy lintel]

@lucid flare probably not worth a ping but Eternity has been blacklisted from receiving Oblatory today

.....while we figure out how to nuke op enchantments

[lucid flare]

wow

[lucid flare]

maybe you could like make the drain scale with usetime?

[worthy lintel]

its one of the many ideas proposed

we need to actually sit down and think for hours

[lucid flare]

good luck with that then

[worthy lintel]

😭

[lucid flare]

sorry lmao :(

[hot zephyr]

the enchantments were one of the final touches of 1.5

[lucid flare]

can you guys change my nickname to "Oblatory Mythical Eternity" to spread the message

[grim tusk]

@half imp FYI Vul hex does get boosted by Hellfire treads, fireball and Cinammon roll, its just programmed to always display it doing 666 dmg but in reality its actually boosted

[half imp]

yeah we discussed that already I just didn't edit the message

idk how I missed it, I did know that it always shows 666 just faster

I'd edit if I could

I did run upon some other HF tread oddities/bugs that I'll bug report later (not doing proper damage, sometimes halving it stuff like that)

[cobalt pewter]

what is Oblatory

[half imp]

once I figure out what's going on

[cobalt pewter]

oh a mage exclusive ench

my bad I never play anything but rogue

[lucid flare]

based

[cobalt pewter]

🫵

[lucid flare]

if i never touched mage it would have remained broken

well assuming no one else would have brought it up

[grim tusk]

I brought it up ages ago in dev, nothing got done about it

[lucid flare]

wow good thing i did it now then

[cobalt pewter]

as for the Oblatory itself

...why not make the HP drain scale with the mana used instead of banning Oblatory altogether

[grim tusk]

Mage enchantments are fucking op anyways

[cobalt pewter]

let them die from casting Eternity

[lucid flare]

for starters eternity costs 6 mana

[cobalt pewter]

:clue

oh.

[half imp]

lol

[lucid flare]

it would be better to make the drain cost with use time

[grim tusk]

Oblatory is busted especially with slower staves
The other one is riskier but also a menace

[worthy lintel]

storm was indeed not listened to

and here we are

[cobalt pewter]

zamn.

[worthy lintel]

[cobalt pewter]

use time might be more reasonable then yes

[lucid flare]

so i don't switch my ammo from mana to HP when i use oblatory aetherflux cannon

[half imp]

Anyway reminds me, an idea to @frosty trellis's suggestion:

Gravitar doesn't necessarily need a full rework, but it probably does need something to make it more useful such as other movement boosts (maybe a fast ascent?) or having a tinker you can make out of it that's more valuable (maybe a fairy boot upgrade?)

[lucid flare]

isn't gravistar the one that can stomp the fround but like only once every 8 seconds

[half imp]

Yea

[cobalt pewter]

Sabaton being an upgrade of something could be nice, maybe a branch from another vanity shoes

[half imp]

It definitely needs something to be worth an accessory slot

[lucid flare]

flamewaker.....

[cobalt pewter]

not sure if there are any vanity boots left in vanilla

[half imp]

I don't think so

[cobalt pewter]

Flamewaker is used on Hellfire Treads

[half imp]

HF treads my goat

1.5x all fire debuffs DPS

[cobalt pewter]

or since a lot of hermes variants are just used to make spectre boots

maybe Dunerider?

[half imp]

hmm

that could be cool

[cobalt pewter]

Sailfish is also used in Amph Boots

[half imp]

adding more viable boots besides treads/tracers would be really nice

[grim tusk]

Dunerider + flamewalker would legit be epic for vanity

[half imp]

true

fairy helps with that ofc but once you use mostly wings

[cobalt pewter]

Dunerider + Flamewaker then upgrades with Aureus Cells to Sabaton

[half imp]

fairy isn't as nice as treads flight time

[grim tusk]

FlameRider boots…

Ride the fire!

[half imp]

Sabaton could probably stay a drop tbh, just make it have more of a use

[grim tusk]

But we have other ideas for sabaton

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

[half imp]

oh sick

it's a really cool item idea

just not much reason to use it rn

[grim tusk]

Honestly having Sabaton be boot sidegrade and Aureus getting idk bean as its expert drop (as it already was anyways) would be epic

But what boot

[small timber]

the pure boots line I guess?

[half imp]

fairy and HF treads don't go anywhere rn

[small timber]

the tracers sidegrades

[half imp]

honestly even just giving sabaton a vertical "jump" would be enough to make it much more viable since doing that with wings would provide an option for more flight time similar to treads

[cobalt pewter]

isn't expert drops "non-existent" in cal :cluel

[half imp]

looking at the vanilla boots, I feel amphibian would synergize the most with sabaton

since they're both primarily about vertical movement

[cobalt pewter]

inb4 cal makes a boots upgrade that's basically a culmination of the niche boots as an alternative to tracers because yes

but lowkey Sabaton deserves better

[half imp]

honestly would love it

HF treads + Fairy + Gravistar + Amphibian would be a really interesting boot

[cobalt pewter]

but I don't trust them with that concept until they can clean-up their fusion stuff to actually be a fusion and not a stack of previous abilities

(Auric Tesla grr)

[half imp]

even just a stack would be good

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message @hollow shell could you do something about this one as it already does

Proof (dev): #583454384290267147 message

[hollow shell]

Uhh yeah sure I can just delete it I think

Make Vulnerability Hex work with Hellfire Treads

Vulnerability Hex doesn't get the 1.5x damage boost from Hellfire Treads, but it does get doubled DPS from Oiled, and the buff from Slimed, which would imply it's a fire debuff. It would be nice to have it work with Hellfire Treads, granting more use to both the Aflame enchantment and the Treads, alongside having the consistency with Oiled and Slimed.

saved for posterity

There

[mighty knot]

am I insane

or is there already such a thing as a buff cap

[blazing kettle]

there is, but they want it to be more limited

[hot zephyr]

22 in 1.4.3 and 44 in 1.4.4

[crude geode]

A bit surprised it didn't get exclaimed for kinda being. bad.

[small timber]

most of the buff you can stack is not really from potion yeah

[crude geode]

not even just that

the sugg doesn't explain itself very well

[hollow shell]

Yeah I asked them to include more reasoning because it would be difficult to convince people of it

[small timber]

as in even if you stack every single potion, your main one is still that few like cadance, rage wrath, exquisitely stuffed, yharim stim etc

[hollow shell]

But alas

They will suffer from a lack of stars

Starless behavior

[viscid badge]

Buff typhons greed

[cobalt pewter]

reply to an old ass message but

Abyssal Diving Suit

just looked into the item as I was browsing recipe browser

Jesus fuck it has a chungus tooltip

[short walrus]

@slender void already planned iirc

for the entire fight, as well

[slender void]

sick

[drowsy plank]

that means u should delete it before this passes for the 8th time

[swift wharf]

[lucid flare]

hey now those are holy inferno audials (laughtrack)

[ripe owl]

For god knows which time*

[drowsy plank]

true!

@slender void if you could please delete it, it's just (hopefully) going to get flagged by a mod anyway because this has already passed multiple times

[small timber]

yeah it will just be another one of those minute 1 approved suggestion, since it is already (maybe,potentially) work in progress

[golden tulip]

calamity devs flagging suggestions for already being planned but still not implementing them

[small timber]

those suggestion will be implemented soon™️

[drowsy plank]

it's a lot easier to decide to do something than to actually program it

[golden tulip]

well then you cant blame people for resuggesting them

[small timber]

the tldr is this is the type of suggestion that will happen regardless if people suggest them

it will be similar to something like "make brimstone crag more interesting because it is just a recolored underworld", when a brimstone crag rework is literally planned

[hollow shell]

Prov holy inferno border indicator(s) are indeed planned, got Trello cards

No idea when they'll get added, hopefully soon now that it's getting sound effects

[small timber]

also regarding the eidolon tablet, now that I think about it isnt the "no summon when cultist devotee/cultist archer are alive" is potentially due to technical limitation?

I will imagine it can cause weird bug like being able to summon 2 lunatic cultist at a time

[hollow shell]

Yeah but there are (probably) ways to overcome that

[golden tulip]

i think that was already mentioned

somewhere here

[hollow shell]

I mentioned earlier, could despawn the cultists and their tablet when you use the item

[small timber]

aight

[subtle marsh]

seems like the way to go?

"press this button to instagib the cultists"

[small timber]

@eternal escarp these tests are done with ~~absolutely zero bias ~~ but I think post-Providence yoyos do indeed, sucks

though all jokes aside yeah all of them are not very good

the only boss they get a "normal" killtime on is signus which is famous for being weak

on polterghast one thing to consider is I had to play excessively aggressive in order to maintain that level of DPS, aka I am taking chipped hit constantly; if I am to play completely safe all of them will be 4:00 +

on storm weaver except for solar flare (which has on-hit effect, which of course does well against a worm boss) are literal sadness

they do surprisingly ok against ceaseless void mostly because of the contact damage part and you can just aim at the centre of CV when the energies gathered

on DoG yeah lacerator is your best option with this as its tooltip:

[drowsy plank]

damn

[small timber]

this is the BEST OPTION against DoG amongs yoyos

with how lacerator is literally a worse solar flare in almost all case against DoG I seriously think lacerator should be retiered to post-Polter (since it already fit bloodflare stuffs) just so there is an option against DoG

[eternal escarp]

ive checked lacerator not too long ago

[small timber]

I think shattering removal probably messed up many yoyos yeah, since they are heavily multihit

[eternal escarp]

terrarian i wont touch really because vanilla changes it

verdant (lol)

[small timber]

yeah terrarian is fine, it is post-ML anyway

[eternal escarp]

and solar flare i forgot existed

[drowsy plank]

was reading the wiki page and read that it use to have an aura like microwave, but now it's just. A Yoyo. With no special effect besides the healing. why?? this is the same tier with Devil's Sunrise and Mutilator for melee with the same materials lmao

[eternal escarp]

yeah i was thinking of calling a rework for lacerator

[small timber]

tbh without a super heavy rework one potential buff is many make it apply some form of "shred" debuff, like soma prime (or 1.4.4 blood butcherer?)

since it do fit the literal name of "lacerator"

[eternal escarp]

maybe

well see

[drowsy plank]

adding 1.4.4 blood butcher effect would be interesting

im still wondering how cal will handle that vs. burning blood

[small timber]

depends, burning blood is stronger when you hit rarely but that stacking shred is stronger when you hit consistently; both have its ups and downs

[drowsy plank]

i meant if they're going to move burning blood, and what weapons will get one or the other, bc i doubt any wep is gonna get both

ayo wtf is going on with burning blood's effect jesus christ

[small timber]

also another note is that although some of them are not like "absolutely garbage" performance (eg: they still get a ~3:45 on a 3:00 expected kill time), one aspect to consider is that yoyos are inherently harder to use than most weapons

you have to maintain bosses on screen = riskier as you cannot just run, you have to aim super accurately, most weapon = just aim at direction while yoyos = exact position; and of course yoyo have the limitation on that they have a slight delay even on the "super agile" yoyos

[drowsy plank]

"Target loses 4 health per second, 3 defense, natural life regen is disabled, and the Darkness debuff is inflicted. Melee damage, melee speed, and movement speed are slightly increased, but ranged damage and magic damage are slightly decreased."

[small timber]

I think I already played relatively optimally (in terms of DPS) to achieve those results (to certain degree I am even having to tank many hits) but still they are underperforming which is the main reason I think they should be buffed in some way

[small timber]

on enemy: 25 dps lmao

[drowsy plank]

YEAH

[royal tapir]

ngl I would think Burning Blood would be more of a, y'know, heat debuff
It's literally called Burning Blood

Even if that's figurative

[small timber]

I think the emphasize is more on the blood tbh

Since it is infected by (cthulhu?) Based sources? So probably more similar to "corrupted blood"

and also we need to give non-heat debuff more loves

[royal tapir]

If you put it that way, then maybe?

[drowsy plank]

yes that is the idea

how do you get fire from the crimson