suggestions-discussion

[umbral dew]

best suggestion in calmain discord

[swift wharf]

based atlas beacon suggestion

idk why the need of spoilers though

[drowsy plank]

ig cause new item or something??

[rotund tree]

i wouldn't think people who go in suggestion channels in the first place fear new content spoilers

[drowsy plank]

yeah idk

[tardy smelt]

I can remove the spoilers at the end of the dat, I dunno 🤷‍♀️

[radiant meadow]

@hollow shell

[hollow shell]

Add got it

[bright crag]

And democracy shall reign

What are your thoughts on this one

[umbral dew]

plasma rifle could be reworked

[swift wharf]

looks fine

[frosty trellis]

Considering:

Compared to:

Yes

Get it out of here

One less weapon for you to balace

[fleet silo]

Give us another way to summon leviathan and anahita

Waiting for ??? to spawn is too slow

[frosty trellis]

Download Toasty's Nohit qol mod

If you want that

[fleet silo]

What's that?

Please introduce to me

[umbral dew]

lots of helpful stuff when fighting a boss

[ashen warren]

[fleet silo]

Also

What's the mod that auto-sells stuff you whitelist

[viscid badge]

Dank staff is defo overpowered lol

[frosty trellis]

Sell Slot iirc

[frosty trellis]

Yeah it's known that it's viable for ML

[ashen warren]

doesnt autotrash have a sell option

[viscid badge]

Lool

[viscid badge]

I might do just that

[fleet silo]

I downloaded it

What now?

It doesn't show anything

[ashen warren]

craft the summon item for the boss lo

[frosty trellis]

You can craft an Anahita and Leviathan summoner now

[fleet silo]

ooooh

Thanks!

Also, I just beat calamitas, which boss should I do now

[ashen warren]

#help-advice-read-pins

[keen zodiac]

i got 17 evil smashers

[drowsy plank]

YES

fuck plasma rifle i want that bitch dead

honestly i wouldnt mind if it just

got turned into a ranged weapon tbh

it's weird that there's no ranged upgrade to like. the very first ranged weapon most people get

[fossil finch]

The wooden bow?

[distant gyro]

plasma rifle was failed to be convinved to die

and also notably

• absolute zero
• hellkite
• storm saber
• solstice claymore
• eutrophic scimitar
• pestilent defiler

[umbral dew]

removing storm saber would be evil

[crude geode]

cope

[umbral dew]

[swift wharf]

I'd say keep the storm saber upgrade but idk which one is which

💀

(the sprite looks cool)

[crude geode]

that's a good reason to delete both

lmao

give the sprite to something else

[swift wharf]

fair

[drowsy plank]

yeah that is kinda weird tbh

[umbral dew]

i love sleeping in broken glass

[drowsy plank]

i think they mean the non-broken variant

which i believe is the only one that lets you set your spawn

[umbral dew]

could also be fucky with code or just an oversight

[glass arch]

yeah the broken one doesnt let you set your spawn

[winter carbon]

i meant the whole bed, sorry if i wasn’t clear

[grim tusk]

Dont sleep on the broken bed

Its wakeup options are insanely horrible

[winter carbon]

what do you mean wake up options?

[grim tusk]

it was a horrible joke

(in fighting games wakeup options are referred to what the character can do after being knocked to the ground to get back up, either attacking, blocking or an evasive maneuver)

[grim tusk]

Also since you sugged to look at some post-Plant outliers heres a spoiler:
Pros: I balance post-Plant earlier than intended and the unviable shit becomes viable
Cons:I balance post-Plant earlier than intender and your op shit dies

well for me those are both pros so

[frosty trellis]

Was going to say: I see this as an absolute win!

So when are Luminite Arrows getting nerfed to shit?

[grim tusk]

maybe once ranger gets rebalanced

but yea they need to die

[frosty trellis]

T E L L M E A B O U T I T

Deathwind and Alluvion have wood arrow convert mechanics as a reminder

Vanquisher Arrows are also op but that's many tiers above luminite and are weaker than Luminite (With the exception of Phangasm but that's how Phangasm works so yeah)

[cobalt pewter]

@fringe sky if resolution is your concern, both vanilla and tmod should allow you to use resolutions beyond your native resolution

at least it seems to do so for me

[fringe sky]

not me personally but I still think the zoom aspect is beneficial for non-gun ranged users

[small timber]

I dont think scope is nearly as useful on like bows since arrow have arrow drop off, but then the suggestion is valid

[crude geode]

Arrows having drop off stops mattering late game tbfh

Aka post ml

[lethal flower]

and thats my suggestioh

suggestion for a bit

[small timber]

elaborate what you want more, and be more specific on what you want

[lethal flower]

cause decor is cool

[small timber]

currently no one knows what you want

[lethal flower]

anything.

[small timber]

"decor is cool" is not a valid reasoning

they cant add something if they dont even know what you want

[lethal flower]

observe as i do

[small timber]

if it is "anything" they my as well dont have to add anything, since you dont mind

and the mod isn't really lacking decor item either, in fact they added a lot
worst case scenerio you can install calamity vanity mod

so yes, the suggestion indeed, have to be more specific

[lethal flower]

changed it

[small timber]

but at the sametime you cant really be specific to the point of "please add this specific painting depicting scal and the player holding exoblade clashing at each other" because that will violate the "specific item suggestion" rule, so yes this is abit going to nowhere

unless you can provide very solid reasoning as to why the item you want should be added to the game

outside of "it will be cool"

[lethal flower]

the reason is

decor, and designing

builds

[small timber]

that is not a valid reasoning, what do you mean by decor and designing

the mod already added alot of decor, you can just use those

[lethal flower]

making a house, or other structures

[small timber]

elaborate on why do you need more when the mod already added many

[lethal flower]

cause we could still have more in the end

it allows us to truly give more life

like i would love for them to add a mirror or even a shelf

[small timber]

if there is not a reasoning other than "more is better" then it is not a valid reasoning, decor and stuff still take people to sprite them and code them into the game, they dont just pop up instantly as soon as you think there should be more

there is also quality assurance too, you can't just add random stuff with poor sprite and cool it a day

[lethal flower]

im aware they dont pop up dude

[small timber]

which is why one of the suggestion rule specified that you MUST have valid reasoning to your suggestion, other than it will be cool

[lethal flower]

the reasoning is solely in the idea of building giving more detail to their builds

and i could see many people using there elsewhere

[small timber]

^

[lethal flower]

still we can have stuff to enhance that

mirrors wouldnt reflect you but just be there

or just stuff like closets would be fun to see

[devout shell]

“It would be fun/cool” means its invalid from the start

(Learned that the hard way)

[lethal flower]

and now its changed

it is completely different

this is for building since decor has no true use outside of making shit look pretty

[cobalt pewter]

that's

the point of decor?

[lethal flower]

exactly

[cobalt pewter]

what

[lethal flower]

so thats the only reason

[small timber]

I will just reemphasize on this again:
i) calamity already added a lot of decor; why do we NEED more? no "more is better" is not a valid reasoning as stated above: they dont pop up instantly as soon as you want them
ii) why do calamity specifically NEED to add the things you want? calamity is not exactly a vanity mod that have any reasoning to add these specific decoration or furniture items, calamity vanity fits more
iii) calamity had been periodically adding more furniture, many patch consistently add more set of decor

the problem with the suggestion is not "add decor = bad", it is the fact that the entire reasoning is just "add more decor because more = better"

[lethal flower]

look if you just dont want the suggestion ill remove it

[small timber]

I feel point blank boost as a bit too scuffed right now, as in it dont apply to all ranged weapon; probably not the most suitable to be put on a class-wide buff

[lethal flower]

wiped from reality you win

now lets add this next

[small timber]

if you can be more specific on what decor you want and why you want that specific set of decor to be added then it is fine

[lethal flower]

ill do that on pc

[cobalt pewter]

counterpoint: bewitching table

it doesn't buff neither sentries (1.4.4 has War Table for that though) nor whips

[hallow epoch]

guys ,what does such a frame mean?

[small timber]

alt + click to favourite item to prevent trashing it

this is not the right channel to ask that, #calamity-mod-talk or #help-advice-read-pins fits better

[small timber]

they are also added by vanilla, but in this case this is altering a vanilla feature into a calamity-added only specific mechanic that dont apply to all ranged weapons (in some case pretty inconsistent too, like undertaker not benefitting from point blank)

and summoner can use summons regardless of which they play (sentry, whips), so it is always universally beneficial to any player playing summoner (in vanilla case, even non-summoner as there is no multiclass nerf)
to that extend the new war table is also the same: any player can throw 2 sentries down just for extra dps, since they last 10 minutes now

projectile velocity + arrow travel distance is (maybe) more fitting, but even that idea is a bit scuffed since arrow travel distance/arrow speed is way more valuable on bows than bullet velocity on gun

[swift wharf]

arrow velocity is relevant because arrows aren't "hitscan"

while bullets are

quotation marks are

[bright crag]

Legitimately scared of that
Due to how powerful point-blank already is

Maybe it should have a less damage-focused PB effect?

Could make it highlight the radius of PB, maybe
So that players can be more precise in their PB playstyle

What do you think...?

[small timber]

tbh I think priority (before making changes like that) is to make point blank more consistent

things like rocket launcher not benefiting from point blank (?) and undertaker just randomly also dont have point blank just means this mechanic is incredibly inconsistent right now

[bright crag]

The fact that they openly don't probably means that they shouldn't, for one reason or another

[drowsy plank]

ill be honest projectile velocity buffs would add so much to ammo box considering the only early game method of getting it, and even into hardmode, is exactly archery potion and magic quiver. so there's literally no way to buff other projectiles speed til post-DoG. i think a multitude of weapons would really enjoy having faster projectile speeds

oh wait

[ashen warren]

deadshoot brooch boosts all velocity

[drowsy plank]

deadshot has that now??

i swore it didnt

huh

still, i think it's an interesting idea

[keen zodiac]

the point blank mechanic wasn't really good to begin with and was implemented very poorly

[ashen warren]

Any ideas to improve this?

mastermode revegenace

Sorry i was told to post here

[neat linden]

told where

[ashen warren]

In mod talk? I was told to go here to ask for suggestions

[neat linden]

oh

so

a typical case of misunderstanding

[small timber]

either #calamity-mod-talk or #help-advice-read-pins , the person who told you to talk about it here is giving fake/wrong advice

[neat linden]

i wouldn't say fake advice

they just understood "where to ask for suggestions" as "where to ask about suggestions" or something

in which case, yes this channel is about calamity changes suggestions

but not gear suggs

happened before, will probably happen again

[soft quest]

more block and wall variety, beams and trimming around, and maybe something to spruce up those windows

cough i mean uhh

wrong channel yeah

[ashen warren]

Alright, thanks :)

Also may I ask you a question in mod talk?

[soft quest]

sure

[unreal viper]

99.99999999% odds.

[dusty lion]

Definitely appreciate not being 100% invisible when I use shadow potions now, but I wonder if some sort of smoke or haze effect wouldn't be more visually pleasing than being a textureless black form?

[drowsy plank]

you mean something like the flames on grim dye maybe?

[cobalt pewter]

in general just making most of the shader grey would still allow details of vanity to be shown to an extent

[unique widget]

add pilk as a rogue weapon

with a unique debuff called addiction

wait mb

[sand ermine]

no

[drowsy plank]

@unique widget please read the rules

[half sage]

this is a certified SIS moment

[drowsy plank]

1. SiS
2. Joke suggestion
3. No explination

woo hoo

[sand ermine]

3 broken rules in one suggestion

[south flint]

laugh

it's funny

laugh

do you not understand the joke guys???????

[sand ermine]

this is the part where you laugh because its milk mixed with pepsi

[drowsy plank]

it was simply so funny i forgot to

[south flint]

stop posting joke suggestions i'm tired of seeing them my friends on tiktok send me joke suggestions on discord it's fu

[drowsy plank]

pilk mfs acting like ice cream floats just dont exist

[unique widget]

brother what part

[sand ermine]

i was going to make a joke about the character in their profile picture but i dont think its fitting for a place like this

[unique widget]

milk better

[drowsy plank]

all of it. it's in the pins

[unique widget]

"excessive"

(it wasnt)

"disruptive"

(it wasnt)

[south flint]

it was

[sand ermine]

+not formatted correctly/explained

[small timber]

and yes, specific item suggestion too

[drowsy plank]

tbf they got the formatting right at least but this is still breaking the rules lmao

[sand ermine]

true

[unique widget]

my bad i was looking at server rules

you right

[small timber]

yeah, suggestion have a different pinned document

[half sage]

based

was gonna suggest this after having it trigger on dodges while fighting infernum yharon yesterday but then I forgot

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Been doing a lot of Yharon testing lately and noticed this and I'm like hey wait a minute

[keen zodiac]

i have had an amazing idea

based on this suggestion https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/952339976635420732

move the plague to post plantera

because plantera, as the guardian of the jungle, was holding it back

that would be cool

[small timber]

post-Golem have bloat, but post-Plant is even more bloat

moon event, dungeon etc

(and of course, moving an entire tier comes with rebalancing all the plague items)

[hollow shell]

I was thinking post-Calamitas, myself.

[small timber]

for me is HM pre-boss for plague, but PBG itself locked behind golem, or rather similar to ravager in that it require temple material (the tablet fragment)

[hollow shell]

But uh yeah we have a plan for plague that will
move it, yes, but there's more to it than that

No idea when it'll happen, it's not actually on our roadmap but it is planned

[keen zodiac]

yes yes very cool

also i am aware my idea is dumb as always

[keen zodiac]

eclipse, sand shark, terra weapon vomit, perennial, spectre, shroomite, etc

[frosty trellis]

@eternal escarp So I might have found A Problem
Balanced loadout no rippers no spiteful candle no alcohols nothing
And Karasawa doesn't have the downside of rubber mortar block destruction

Yharon's testing time is supposed to be 4 minutes btw

Lemme see with superball with it

Yeah that's still half the time

1q3m3w

Candles being everything but spiteful they are just painted green because they look cool green

[cobalt pewter]

doesn't rubber mortar murder blocks

[frosty trellis]

Can ss my buff slots to confirm

[frosty trellis]

Not with karasawa

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

And it may be Just A Tad Overpowered because of it

Let me get a GSS test to compare

Just so y'all can see the true obsurdity

With GSS it's fine

It's just with Superball and Rubber Mortar it's just busted as fuck

[crude geode]

just make it so karasawa destroys blocks with rubber mortar

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but then it's still double killtime with superball

[radiant meadow]

dodge code happens after special dr code

to get flesh totem to happen after would be like not super feasible I think

because dodge stuff is after all the damage calcs

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Man

Didn't know flesh totem was a dodge thing

[distant gyro]

this is why mortar rounds should turn into rockets pronto

[frosty trellis]

Doesn't help with the superball stuff but yeah fair

This is still absolutely obscene though

I am good.....

[small timber]

so the mortar round being that good is because of removing bomb resistance or something?

[frosty trellis]

Lemme see if I can actually hit her with karasawa with rubber mortar

[frosty trellis]

That and it for some reason hits like Several Times

It does

It's just shorter

Lemme just go see rq

IT CAN HIT HER so long as she is close up

Need to try this with my Auric Gear now

Oh but it can't hit the brothers

Needs superball for this to work

[small timber]

I think probably dont have to mention their biome rework, it is coming in an undetermined amount of time

just keep it to making torch god favor have torches for these biomes is enough

[swift wharf]

what torch does it change to currently

[cobalt pewter]

everything vanilla? I don't think cal adjusted torch god's favor to do cal torches yet?

[distant gyro]

pure torch

abyss torch affects torch luck because that's all it can do without being a hassle

tmod doesn't support tgf

[small timber]

mana flower is non mandatory for mage, in fact what weapon even use that much mana early on

[ruby plover]

It’s also funny cos platinum broady is a good weapon in calamity

Not hard to get worse than that thing

[small timber]

and mana related potions can easily be obtainable from just stars + herbs from space planetoid, you just have to like, plant them

also if super early game mage is super grindy (I dont really think it is), you can just use like platinum broadsword for early game

[ruby plover]

This sounds like a vent suggestion

[small timber]

the mod didn't really just say "you can only use 1 class the entire playthrough", if it is the case you imposed the limitation upon yourself

[ruby plover]

Also: see wulfrum prosthesis

[small timber]

the "1 class only" thing is mostly just because of how end game grindy gear/class switching is difficult, for early game especially pre-boss nothing is stopping you

even for mana crystal you can just fish at night, I think the mana crystal fish' required fishing power is very low

[obtuse estuary]

Idk whats happening here but summoner class is cool

[small timber]

yeah the chance is quite high

[frigid hawk]

Still grind bro they dont need to fish just to max out mana, like another classes just chills pre-bosses 💀
I hate early-progression as mage, i hate making mana-flower (needed cause yh it seems early mage weapons are not take so much mana but cause of small dmg it does take a lot mana to do damage).
Ok then please give me early-progression guide that is not outdated and if at the beginning of the game it is allowed to use non-class things, then tell me which ones to use

[small timber]

mana flower is definitely not mandatory (in fact I hate using it pre-HM because it is a complete was of accessory slot, especially with mana sickness reducing your damage); the grind is just how vanilla decided it is since they increased mana crystal crafting cost

(if you want a proper reasoning, probably can target this since vanilla make it take unnecessarily long to get max mana crystal considering you can only obtain stars at night, even with increased star spawns)

[lucid flare]

should probably just make calamity redecrease fallen star cost for mana crystal

[cobalt pewter]

you're not really supposed to focus on one class as early as preboss

(I wish I can say that for rogue)

(the moment stealth can be used regardless of armor it'll be very good)

[versed cape]

no way theres a based scope suggestion in voting?

[small timber]

if you want like a mini guide here is what I do almost every playthrough (I know this is probably not the place, but...)

start -> run into caves, break pots/build a NPC housing to get Merchant, get ropes -> build directly up from spawn, reach space biome lab = shit ton of herbs -> build horizontally to find small planetoids, any gems will do (for mage weapon), best is ruby since a single ruby planetoid can get you ~10 life crystals by crafting with HP pots you get from space biome lab -> then you basically start with 400 hp already, if you are lucky you can do this at day 1, if you are unlucky space biome lab spawn gravitation pots which you can use to reach other far away planetoids -> even if you have no mana to use mage, just find a ore planetoid or sky island, platinum broadsword is uniroincally viable

you can even get mana flower (I think?) from the jungle (beehive) planetoid with a relatively high chance

[frigid hawk]

Ty man btw my character that i deleted cause im cheated on it was 14 hours just to reach pre-hive mind as mage class setup only 💀

[small timber]

but ya tldr, mage is not really grindy, especially with mana flower not being really essential (most of the time you get higher dps by waiting it out with mana regen potion)

though mana crystal cost is indeed, stupidly high

5 star per crystal is like bruh, unless you get a meteor shower you have to spend like 3-4 nights just collecting

which is really shit as it is balanced by vanilla with consideration of meteor shower, which gives you more than enough in a single night

[distant gyro]

when vanilla raised its recipe because you're not meant to play every class when you start out

[frigid hawk]

Yh btw i hate making mana power/regen potions 💀
Its long and needed cause of damn mage weapons damage, i hate collecting materials bruh

[cobalt pewter]

simply a skill issue

[small timber]

I thought vanilla raised it since they increased star spawnrate at some point, but ya 95 (90 in cal with 1 crystal free) stars to max out is quite something

[frigid hawk]

Post-moonlord gameplay is a lot easier than early-progress basically cause u dont need collect so much materials

[small timber]

from 57 (3 per crystal) to 5

[distant gyro]

40?

[small timber]

oh right for some reason I thought you need 20 (19 with 1 initial) to max out

[distant gyro]

i really need this refresher but i thought it takes 9 mana crystals to max

[small timber]

that is life fruit

[distant gyro]

1 free, so 8x5

[small timber]

yeah, from 9x3= 27 to 9x5 = 45

[swift wharf]

have we mentioned fishing for star fish

[eternal escarp]

Basically early-game without mana flower, mana potions and good weapon as mage is impossible
yeah that is kinda just false, you absolutely dont need mana flower to play mage ever

[swift wharf]

which is actually really easy

[swift wharf]

[frigid hawk]

(possible but yk its still kinda grindy and long + like any mage weapon pre-bosses is worse than platinum sword)

[eternal escarp]

like even then, you can buy natures gift from the dryad not too long after

[eternal escarp]

im not sure how correct this is either

[ruby plover]

This sounds like an
Exclaim

[swift wharf]

true melee when overturned

[small timber]

the only one I agree with is mana crystal yeah

[eternal escarp]

you get 40 mana at the start
amethyst staff uses like, 3 for decent damage

[small timber]

others are really not a real problem

[ruby plover]

As I said before, just sounds like a vent suggestion

[eternal escarp]

wulfrum prosthesis' existance nullified this all

[small timber]

(even mana crystal has alternative, just the alternative is fishing)

[ruby plover]

“Class is too hard for me early game, please buff”

[swift wharf]

it does sound like coping

[eternal escarp]

things like band of mana and mana jelly also exist and arcane obsucrely aswell

[swift wharf]

this is what happens when they nerf the best pregame classless weapon........

[ruby plover]

I kinda get the grind points…? But like, not really

[eternal escarp]

vilethorn, frost bolt

[swift wharf]

(feller of the evergreens)

btw now that it's an actual tool

can we just remove it

[eternal escarp]

a lot of these are pretty decent

[frigid hawk]

Nah bro, its not hard at all, i mean its long af man literally about 14 hours and im still pre-hardmode

[ruby plover]

And yeah, pre boss is classless
Focusing on a class that early is pure choice

[eternal escarp]

like you can get frost bolt day 1

[ruby plover]

That is your experience

Not the experience of the collective

[swift wharf]

summoner when flinx:

rogue too ig

[eternal escarp]

rogue has the francesca atleast

and gilded dagger

[ruby plover]

And WKnives

[eternal escarp]

byeah idk

mage definitely isnt grindy early game

because if MAGE is grindy

what is summoner like?

[ruby plover]

God

[frigid hawk]

Basically better in endgame 💀

[swift wharf]

yes this is relevant thank you

[ruby plover]

That’s usually how it works

Yes

[eternal escarp]

also you mention needing max mana and hp pre boss
which.. you dont?

you never needed to max your hp nor mana to start playing the game

[ruby plover]

It’s grindy if you try to minmax your stats pre boss

[eternal escarp]

its a decision you can make

but its absolutely not a neccessity

[swift wharf]

stop minmaxing you just made a character😭

[ruby plover]

Once again, it’s a choice

The experience of one, not many

[finite smelt]

Is it really minmaxing tho? Not hearing much min

[swift wharf]

tldr you don't need max mana can we remove silver axe two

[swift wharf]

lmao

true...

[ruby plover]

I’m sounding like a broken record

Just
Maxing

[finite smelt]

Upgrading

Thats the word

[ruby plover]

So true

[small timber]

time for someone to make a suggestion to make starter bag give 10 life crystals and 5 mana crystal to make the game less grindy

[ruby plover]

Please no

Please no

[frigid hawk]

Btw i already have endgame mage character and i basically dont want to create new one just cause of how early-game long and boring and slow everything feels slow 💀

[finite smelt]

No

Wat

[eternal escarp]

you saying that doesnt really help your case

[small timber]

there are also a lot of people who started playing the game for the first time

in fact, probably many more

[eternal escarp]

you could confront what people are saying here regarding your sugg instead

[finite smelt]

You deadass said you were in prehm wdym you don't wanna make one? you already did

[small timber]

the people who dont want to start fresh can just install cheat sheet and give themselves 9999 life crystals and mana crystals

[ruby plover]

You could try and make points that aren’t based on just your one or two playthroughs?

[eternal escarp]

^

[small timber]

it is not calamity's job to make the game non-grindy, it is calamity's job to make the game less grindy, and (generally) calamity is already doing that

[frigid hawk]

I deleted it cause i was using cheat sheet for once 💀

[finite smelt]

Frogleg is still frogleg tho

[small timber]

you can grind frog leg by having town in jungle to make mob spawn only critters

[frigid hawk]

What is frog leg?

[finite smelt]

You get frog leg from fishing tho dont you? Afaik ive checked a few time and no recipe

I swear there used to be one tho

[small timber]

I didnt know if they remove it, I will just check

[frigid hawk]

"The Frog Leg is an accessory that aids jumping in several ways. It is caught randomly during Fishing, with a 1/500 (0.2%) with 50% Fishing Power and 1/250 (0.4%) with 100% Fishing Power. It can be caught in any viable body of water."-wiki 💀

[small timber]

it definitely still exist

[finite smelt]

Oh wtf am i blind

[small timber]

even then frog leg is not essential at all, just use aerostone which do similar things

a lot of things are really not "mandatory"

[finite smelt]

I mean, amphibian boots

[small timber]

you dont have to minmax that hard to beat almost half of the pre-HM boss, you can get by with just hermes boots and a balloon until hive mind/perforator even

[finite smelt]

B tech soaring insignia

[small timber]

in fact I thought that is what most people do: get by with like 260 hp and fight bosses, then just slowly upgrade as they think they need more hp

not the place to ask since it is not suggestion related, #calamity-mod-talk or #help-advice-read-pins probably fit more

[finite smelt]

Half the time you get life crystals randomly while mining anyway

[drowsy plank]

mage grind for mana stars does suck but the rest of this is literally just Skill Issue

maybe try actually playing the class lmao

[drowsy plank]

i mean i read the rest of his messages and he literally had no basis for this besides a run he gave up on

ive done mage runs and this just isn't true, so im not sure what he was doing, but it wasn't playing the class as intended

so im saying to actually try it, and it won't be nearly as bad as this is making it out to be

[versed cape]

Add an PHM scope

I need scopes to live and breathe and I don't get any until post plantera, that's pretty cringe so I suggest making something like a nerfed scope that you can craft with victory shards and eutrophic sand with around 50% or 75% of the zoom of the normal rifle scope

this scope is extremely important, I assure you, this would also help with the drought of phm class-specific accessories

someone please make this suggestion better and post it

ranger gang rise up

[small timber]

besides if they have this much problem with mage, then just... dont start mage?

it is literally self-imposed class restriction when the mod in no way tell them to only be able to play 1 class (and you must start from it)

[small timber]

disregarding the recipe (which probably dont have to be there), what is this even used on?

the suggestion says that "I assure you scope is important", but did not have any prove behind the claim

besides binocular exist, yes it is scuffed but if the entire purpose is to look further it is there

but mostly just what do you even need pre-HM scope for

[cobalt pewter]

a scope in phm is useless because you never need such vision right in combat

binoculars exist for outside of fights

[neat linden]

i can see scopes being really great for dest

then again swapping to binoculars for 2s would work

[versed cape]

idk if it would
theyre also a pain to get

[small timber]

in that case that is already hardmode

and assuming start of hardmode scope, it will be abit weird in that you basically just add an inferior verison of an item only to obtain a direct upgrade like 1 tier later

[versed cape]

and? the point of this suggestion was to make scopes more accessible, the earlier the better

[neat linden]

for phm all i can think of is perfs upward shots

[small timber]

why is there a need for scope that early?

I can also just say make gravity globe start of HM, but why

[versed cape]

because its one of rangers most defining features, like true melee for melee or mana for mage, and an extremely important one of you choose to use it, having scopes be earlier for the near entirety of the game would make it more of an actual unique class and also buff it

[small timber]

I dont think a single accessory define the entire class, in fact very often I never use scope since it feels disorienting

that is the equivalent of saying mana flower defines mage, when it is not even essential for most weapons

[neat linden]

If only you could scope with all ranged weapons

~~oh wait, 2nd to latest sugg in #suggestions-voting ~~

[versed cape]

thats because mana flower barely changes anything while scopes do, and can kill you if used incorrectly

[small timber]

so it is even less class-defining then since in this case it is niche

I am not against the idea of the suggestion, just against the necessity of it

[marble moat]

i mean scope is just nice for visibility tbh, having a more accessible binoculars would be nice

[versed cape]

a better comparison would be true melee for melee

[marble moat]

its not necessary of course but its hella nice

[small timber]

there is really nothing you need for scope that early, post-Plant is early enough in calamity's progression (of being before half way point even)

[marble moat]

i mean having a bad universal marnite scope would be nice

[versed cape]

sure you can go the entire game without it, but if you choose it its a completely different class (and I mean that with non true melee weapons being used as such)

[small timber]

true melee have its entire subclass defined around it, scope is just an accessory, I dont think it is quite comparable

[marble moat]

since it would help with viewing builds and stuff

a non-combat stat scope

[neat linden]

how is using weapons with risky range compared to holding rclick while having a specific accessory

[small timber]

to compare I think it will be more similar to quiver of nihility or daawnlight spirit origin

[marble moat]

that's what i would do at least, make it oriented towards builders but usable for combat

what do yall think

[versed cape]

because you can cut off vision when there are projectiles there and kill yourself because you took away your chance to react to them

[versed cape]

daawnlight spirit origin is also good, but that is truly niche because it only works with an extremely tiny minority of weapons

[marble moat]

scope is niche but i like the idea of a pre-hm one

no need to compare it to true melee it's just good qol

like a marnite binoculars upgrade that works in accessory slots or somethingn

[neat linden]

i like the idea of scopes working on all ranged weapons

[marble moat]

no combat stats, only the visibility

[versed cape]

I dont really care much for its use outside of combat since binos fulfill that role, but it can also be used like that so sure

[versed cape]

yeah that would be truly amazing

[half imp]

that would honestly be really nice

[versed cape]

shame the idea will never pass

[neat linden]

does it make logical sense? Not really
But what makes logical sense anymore

[marble moat]

can you even suggest new items

i forget the rules

[neat linden]

Put a scope on a wooden bow

[half imp]

it makes sense just super glue the scope to the bow

[neat linden]

You can (for example a weapon in a tier where a class is lacking)

[small timber]

yes, but only if you are not extremely specific (eg: give 10 damage 5 crit, zoom by 1.5x and 50 blocks across the screen, allow the use of rod of discord...) and also have a good reason behind it

[neat linden]

It just can't be too specific

[versed cape]

no, but I dont think it really breaks that rule

[small timber]

in this case the suggestion is probably valid yeah, just a pre-HM rifle scope

[versed cape]

I guess ill change preHM to simply earlier in progression

[marble moat]

i wouldn't make it a rifle scope, more a binoculars upgrade

give no combat stats, but in turn be usable by any class

[versed cape]

that would be perfect

[marble moat]

i can write it up real quick but im still not sure if it goes against new item rule

[neat linden]

Too perfect

[sage drum]

Snipeanoculars

[marble moat]

is there someone i can ping?

to check if its good

[small timber]

probably just write it first, I think mods are on so they can check after you wrote it

[marble moat]

oh ok

im pretty sure that it'll be removed but theoretically it's just a nerfed sniper scope that doesn't check the held item for functionality

[small timber]

as long as you make the suggestion more leaning towards "accessory that allow you to zoom" instead of "direct binoculars upgrade that turn it into accessory" (which can be a bit specific) I think you should be fine?

just have the binocular thing as an example rather than the main point of the suggestion

[marble moat]

aight ill write it up rq

[versed cape]

make sure the suggestion is perfect

you cant just repost suggestions and the calamity community hates everything that doesnt directly benefit them (niche items for an unpopular class are hit by that extra hard)

[sage drum]

"Add wips"

[versed cape]

whips are something else because summoner is probably cmt's favorite class

[neat linden]

afaik you can repost suggs

[sage drum]

What.

[versed cape]

how much time have you spent in cmt?

[neat linden]

just not in a spammy way

[eternal escarp]

also before i forget, @hollow shell could you tag the mage suggestion? it has no real good basing (and is kinda just, false objectively) origin of convo here

guess i didnt need the ping you were lurking

[glass arch]

yeah the only reason to get mana flower is the added convenience but there isnt a whole lot you can do with mana potions by then anyways

[versed cape]

both mana flower and mana potions can be bought from NPCs so idk what he is complaining about

literally such easy items

[eternal escarp]

the sugg is more than just the accessory being allegedly hard to get but yes

[sage drum]

Mana flower is post eoc admittedly

[versed cape]

is it?

[sage drum]

Buying that is

[eternal escarp]

its just still kindof, not very based on what actually happens ingame

[sage drum]

Dryad doesnt come until post eoc

[versed cape]

are you sure?

[eternal escarp]

it does not

[versed cape]

thats tavernkeep youre describing, not dryad

[eternal escarp]

dryad needs EoC or other later bosses to be dead

[sage drum]

Eye of cthulu

[glass arch]

no i thought tavernkeep came after evil boss

[neat linden]

tavernkeep is evil 1

[eternal escarp]

indeed

[versed cape]

oh I meant EoC

I read EoW for some reason

EoC is completely fine

you can handle a free boss without spoonfed mana potions

[sage drum]

Eoc is not that free

[eternal escarp]

you can handle every boss without mana potions, period

fyi

[sage drum]

Fair

Just rest and recharge

[glass arch]

eoc isnt a problem, even an amethyst gem stave can take eoc out

[eternal escarp]

anyway this is just repeating the discussion above so lol iirc

[marble moat]

Create a classless zoom accessory, preferably early in progression
Being able to zoom is quite a useful perk to have for both combat and non-combat situations: for example building and boss visibility. However, for most of the early game this functionality is locked behind the Binoculars, which can be clunky and annoying to use, especially for builds, and in Hardmode is locked behind the Ranger class.
Thus, I suggest the creation of a zoom accessory that would grant no combat stats, but provide an effect similar to a nerfed Sniper Scope, in order to make visibility more accessible and convenient.
For example one such item could be a Marnite upgrade to the BInoculars, linking into the theme of an accessory which the primary use is for building, but can be used for combat as well.

smth like this?

[eternal escarp]

just remove that last paragraph

[marble moat]

yeah thought so

[eternal escarp]

and or

[versed cape]

yeah its good

but surely it can be better

@neat linden give advice

[eternal escarp]

remove the statement of "SIS disallowed but" since your example isnt really a SIS, just an idea of where it could fit

[marble moat]

alrighty

should i keep the marnite idea or

[eternal escarp]

just mention it as an example rather than

it being the exact suggestion

[neat linden]

I'll think about it when i get home

[marble moat]

alright

Create a classless zoom accessory, preferably early in progression
Being able to zoom is quite a useful perk to have for both combat and non-combat situations: for example building and boss visibility. However, for most of the early game this functionality is locked behind the Binoculars, which can be clunky and annoying to use, especially for builds, and in Hardmode is locked behind the Ranger class.
Thus, I suggest the creation of a zoom accessory that would grant no combat stats, but provide an effect similar to a nerfed Rifle Scope, in order to make visibility more accessible and convenient.
For example one such item could be a Marnite upgrade to the BInoculars, linking into the theme of an accessory which the primary use is for building, but can be used for combat as well.

like this then?

[versed cape]

btw its better to just say rifle scope

sniper scope is rifle scope but with extra ranged damage

[marble moat]

oh is sniper scope not the

oh

[eternal escarp]

i mean, at this point just suggest rifle scope to be available early

[marble moat]

nah screw that make it accessible for non-ranger players

[versed cape]

sure but this suggestion is for all classes

so summoners can watch their dash minions not hit the boss 25x times in a row in HD

[sage drum]

Thats why mounted scanner

[eternal escarp]

summoners can use binoculars regardless

[versed cape]

no whips?

[eternal escarp]

if you use a whip you are close enough to see that anyway

so lol

[marble moat]

i mean if they off screen

youre out of whip range

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[versed cape]

do you not just hold the whip the entire fight?

[marble moat]

you get bonus damage holding the staff no?

[eternal escarp]

not anymore

[marble moat]

oh

[versed cape]

also switching between binos and a weapon constantly is extremely clunky

because binos zooming range is really dumb

[marble moat]

i mean this suggestion is infinitely worse

[eternal escarp]

whips are fast weapons, switching to them isnt hard

[versed cape]

its like 3x the range of scopes

[eternal escarp]

wouldnt that be... better if you want to see afar?

[versed cape]

but its annoying

[versed cape]

thats not completely wrong, but binos genuinely let you see past boss despawn range

[eternal escarp]

well you dont need to use binoculars thats your choice

[marble moat]

im just gonna suggest it screw it

[versed cape]

are you allowing an item to be purposefully faulty because its optional?

[eternal escarp]

its not faulty it just sounds like you are lazy to

[versed cape]

never knew calamity devs (testers) let their standards fall this low

[eternal escarp]

switch 1 item

[sleek turret]

what???

[eternal escarp]

people never had an issue with Golden Gun existing back before whips

[versed cape]

because you can just use that the entire fight

[marble moat]

time to go offline and turn off notifications 🤩

[versed cape]

thats not even it

[eternal escarp]

back then youd switch back to your staff for the 10% damage

[versed cape]

sure I am lazy and dont like switching weapons, but weapons with specific range and binos force you to constantly switch where youre looking at too

[eternal escarp]

so it was the same case

[sleek turret]

anyways would it be good if boss and enemy projectiles had an outline for distinguishing them differently to other projectiles like weapons etc and other conditions like background

[versed cape]

had your mouse at the wrong spot when you switched to binos? enjoy going to brazil

[eternal escarp]

okay i am confused

[sleek turret]

i have been thinking about this for a while and I know that omnivision potion works a bit but not enough

[eternal escarp]

it sounds like you want extra view ranger
without actual extra view range

how is bino having more range bad

[small timber]

I will argue the thing is more with the loss of dps and less with weapon switching taking effort even; weapon switching is just not a problem
especially that some weapon stuck you in usetime for a while before able to switch

[versed cape]

I dont want completely absurd amounts of range

[small timber]

you press 2 button

[versed cape]

but scope ranges

[small timber]

people RoD switch for it

[versed cape]

also toggleable

[sleek turret]

uhh so sniper scope

[small timber]

the tldr of the suggestion is they want sniper scope (weaker) for all class but earlier in progression

[sleek turret]

it's not an absurd range and it's toggleable

(just keep holding right click)

[versed cape]

binos dont have a toggle

[eternal escarp]

i guess its just a difference in how i view it, i dont find bino absurd

[versed cape]

if you have them, you look wherever

[eternal escarp]

they have a toggle its callled not holding them

[small timber]

yeah

[sleek turret]

because i think that's what it's intended to?

[versed cape]

which is inconvenient

[sleek turret]

item that let's you see far away

[eternal escarp]

switching an item is inconvenient?

[sage drum]

Scroll wheel go brrrrr

[eternal escarp]

keeping to your summoner example before
switching to binoculars to see from a far doesnt sound inconvenient, you wont need to hold your whip regardless

[versed cape]

thing is neither me or any actual scope user want to:
-have so much range you see the boss despawn
-literally switch weapons every couple of seconds and suffer MASSIVE DPS loss, and the fact that its simply annoying to do
-constantly readjust your mouse cursor to avoid being sent to brazil, or unintentionally fucking yourself because clunky binos didnt let you see the part of the screen you needed to

[eternal escarp]

hi im an actual scope user
-i never saw the boss despawn when i did use binoculars
-if i wanted to see from a far i took take second to not deal dps that is a deliberate choice i would make if i am not using a gun + sniper scope
-if you used bino you get used to it

[versed cape]

a deliberate choice to make a cool function of ranger just hurt you when doing any other class, because calamity devs said so

[sleek turret]

????

[versed cape]

more of an example that all the range is completely unnecessary

[versed cape]

whats so unclear?

[eternal escarp]

why are you saying calamity devs

i am not a collective of calamity devs i am just myself

[versed cape]

because theyre the ones in charge of what does and doesnt get in the game

[sleek turret]

at this point just rename sniper scope and call it "visibility scope" if the problem is that any other class doesn't get the benefit of one

[versed cape]

and? was I talking about you?

[eternal escarp]

the context made it seem like it

atleast to me

[versed cape]

rifle scope* then, and we also want it to be available early into phm

[sleek turret]

i don't think you need range im phm personally unless there's specific cases i could mention

[edgy sundial]

we? how many people are you?

[swift wharf]

range for ranged is the LAST thing you need for prehm

ranged literally just needs an actual accessory

[sleek turret]

True...

[swift wharf]

(medallion isn't real shut up)

Btw for the suggestion I think moving binoculars to preboss would be nice I think

[versed cape]

the people that worked on a suggestion before you

[edgy sundial]

so just one person, got it

[versed cape]

please just leave if you have literally nothing constructive to say and cant even say something half accurate

[swift wharf]

and yeah from what I've read this just sounds like I don't wanna use my mouse scroll wheel or press 2 (two) buttons

((not talking about the suggestion))

(((it's a binocular not rocket science)))

[versed cape]

and enjoy 0 (zero(its not rocket science)) damage

[edgy sundial]

i think you should just use your scroll wheel instead of trying to speak for more than just yourself 😊

[swift wharf]

me when I don't do damage to the boss for 2 (two) seconds

[hollow shell]

Duck I think you need to calm down

[sleek turret]

ok i think a range accessory for phm is ok but i personally I think you don't need it due to the average phm weapons

[swift wharf]

(the fight is over, I can't play the game anymore)

[sleek turret]

range being seeing from far away

[swift wharf]

yeyeye

[versed cape]

wtf do you even use binos for if you use them in the whole fight for 2 seconds

[swift wharf]

turn binoculars into an accessory

[versed cape]

mouse slips?

[swift wharf]

god

mate why do you care about dps so much

if you're using them you're willing to sacrifice some

[versed cape]

because its one of the most important parts of any bossfight?

[swift wharf]

minmaxer without the min 2: electric boogaloo

[sleek turret]

tell me what you do when you fight a boss

[swift wharf]

can we talk about mana crystals again 😭😭

[versed cape]

Im not using them and not willing to use some, I only want a functional scope and thats all the discussion was ever about

[swift wharf]

then that's on you iirc

[versed cape]

you need a demonstration on how to use scopes?

[swift wharf]

This sounds more like salt than anything else

[sleek turret]

no I do not because it's just go right click

[versed cape]

despite the fact that ive proven the multiple objective downsides of binos over any normal scope

[sleek turret]

and switching to slot 9 where tools are

[unborn siren]

You sacrifice some dps for a zoom, seems fair to me

[sand ermine]

summoner 🧌

[eternal escarp]

objective downsides?

[versed cape]

except ranger gets to enjoy it without DPS loss, and so should every other class

[swift wharf]

bro

let ranged have some dps

it's the basic bitch class

[eternal escarp]

rogue gets to enjoy a short ranged teleport accessory, so should every class
no, i think some classes having unique accessories is fine

[swift wharf]

where melee, summoner and rogue shred everything because it is funny

[eternal escarp]

[versed cape]

wtf even is that rgument

[sleek turret]

if you're using scope it's because you're far away from the boss and you're NOT getting the delicious, tasty and beautiful point blank damage

[edgy sundial]

they're not objective and you've proven nothing. you've just whined about your bad opinions, my guy, and tried to pretend everyone agrees with you when... well, nobody does, apparently

[versed cape]

also untrue

[unborn siren]

ranger has scopes because it fits with guns and other ranged weapons
also those are post golem if you want to not sacrifice a bunch of dps for the accessory slot

[swift wharf]

rogue has stealth so should every class

[main hatch]

genius idea

[sleek turret]

mage uses mana so every class should use mana

[swift wharf]

thank you thank you

[main hatch]

melee when the mana

[versed cape]

not arguing someone that is simply too stupid to scroll up

[swift wharf]

On my way to #suggestions-posting

[sleek turret]

class uses class mechanic so every class should use every other class mechanic

[swift wharf]

🚪 👨‍🦯

[unborn siren]

I would just change the suggestion to “scope right click to zoom should work even if the player isn’t holding a gun” or something like that

[edgy sundial]

the irony, my sides

[hollow shell]

Now several people need to calm down

[versed cape]

that would be optimal, too bad the people here would crucify you for that opinion

[swift wharf]

Thank you Rover

[sleek turret]

ok let's talk about boss projectile outlines

[hollow shell]

And in fact, I think this is an argument that will not conclude via convincing

[edgy sundial]

just use your mousewheel and stop complaining lmao

[sleek turret]

i've had the thought of boss projectiles having outlines so they are easier to see

[hollow shell]

Shush Burger and shush Duck

[versed cape]

so I should just let my scope suggestion die? is that what youre telling me?

[main hatch]

off topic nice about me

epic quote

[sleek turret]

and makes them harder to blend with the background or the player projectiles

[small timber]

• king slime: main threat is jewel, which is on screen

• DS: either on screen or under the ground (which zoom do not help), and maps

• EoC: on screen (if you need scope it cannot attack you anyway)

• Crabulon: if you need scope it is not attacking you

• EoW: on screen or underground, and maps, the cursed flame snipe is and you definitely can use binoculars on this one (if it is that far away then ranged weapon is out of range anyway)

• BoC: on screen

• Hive Mind: on screen and teleport on top of you

• Perforator: on screen, worms are underground or on screen

• Queen Bee: on screen

• Skeletron: if it is not on screen you are doing something wrong

• Deerclops: you literally cannot be far away

• Slime God: the boss glide towards you

• WoF: if you are far it dash towards you

• QS: it is an on screen fight unless you run god it (which invalidate the fight anyway)

• Cryogen: on screen you run god (which invalidate the fight anyway)

• Twins: they are generally on screen

• AS: off screen and might be useful

• Destroyer: off screen and might be useful

• Brimstone: on screen

• Skeletron prime: on screen

• Calamitas: only use for BH (which you can binocular anyway)

• Plantera: on screen because trying to run god it makes it harder

ok sorry this is longer than I thought

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

but ya, scope is really only useful for like, AS and destroyer?

[hollow shell]

No I'm telling you to stop calling people stupid and overall try being less aggressive

[unborn siren]

that sounds good, maybe it could be an added effect of omniscience potion?

[sleek turret]

good idea it could be a different effect instead of just making projectiles red

[swift wharf]

The problem is that it would make omni potion a must I think

[eternal escarp]

i think i brought this up once, with some Infernum projectiles as an example

[grim tusk]

Every class has its gimmick
Melee has melee speed (and true melee)
Ranger has ammos
Mage has mana
Rogue has stealth

Then theres summoner which has melee and mage’s gimmicks (melee speed and mana) as well as its own (minions)

[versed cape]

EoW, BoC, Slime Gods, Cryogen and prime (and the bosses you mentioned) all have very good uses for zoom

[small timber]

speaking of hive mind, which is the hive mind's dank creeper AI so stupid

I know it is very meltable, but it being meltable dont really justify its AI being that oppressive imo

[versed cape]

I have my limits when someone completely disregards everything that ive said in the last hour, doesnt reason at all and just insults me. tell me why I should treat that person back with any respect?

[grim tusk]

So make them chonkier but slower?

[unborn siren]

later on those buff slots are valuable, using one for no statistical buff could be a bit of a waste

[edgy sundial]

i insulted you?

[versed cape]

despite being wrong, even that would validate its existence, see daawnlight spirit origin

[small timber]

eater of world is a maybe (at low hp where it spit cursed flame), BoC I never needed any range, slime god I never needed range (it is always of screen for me, it is easier for me that way), cryogen off screen just makes it harder imo, prime I never needed to off screen that

[small timber]

imo is maybe chonkier and its AI abit more predictable? eg do a specfic directional charge etc etc

[grim tusk]

To avoid consequences and be the person the other guy isnt

[swift wharf]

I mean making the sprites itself more visible could work
(see QB)

[sleek turret]

there's like a few occasions where outlines couldn't work because the projectiles are alredy visible

[small timber]

currently it is just follow and turns to you super harshly

[versed cape]

cryogen literally spawns lasting projectiles that split open maybe 10 seconds after getting spawned? I have no idea what youre doing to have that be on screen the entire time

[sleek turret]

scal projectiles for example are all red in a black background

[versed cape]

slime gods need ranger for their orbs if theyre from far away

[sleek turret]

signus projectiles are dark so I think they could have the outline mechanism

[versed cape]

prime for offscreen rockets and lasers

[swift wharf]

gungeon bullet outlines

[sleek turret]

cryogen projectiles

[main hatch]

if the whole problem is things offscreen, why not just download better zoom mod

[sleek turret]

it could be great on those because they tend to blend with the background

[swift wharf]

get a better monitor

[versed cape]

because both that and higher resolutions are cheating

[unborn siren]

I would make them more resistant to kb, increase hp, but make them predictably dash at the player with bad turning

[sleek turret]

ecIipse how i haven't saved money for 4k gaming

[swift wharf]

ummm

simply don't use zoom

[small timber]

current version of creeper, for reference (revengeance)

basically it becomes either melt them or have them charge at you relentlessly

[main hatch]

i kinda like the creepers tho

[unborn siren]

maybe decrease max speed but make them bulkier?

[swift wharf]

(also if you need zoom for boc them I'm very sorry for you)

[main hatch]

i like the rythm it gives

[small timber]

especially considering that it can just spawn instantly at certain hp threshold, and the new small cursed flame bolt incentivize staying at medium range

[versed cape]

(if you need accessories to beat the game im very sorry for you)

[small timber]

yeah new creeper is better than old one (where it really just dont do anything), dont I think it just impose a movement accessory limit

[swift wharf]

tell me

tell me why you need zolm

FOR BOC

[versed cape]

offscreen creepers and projectiles

[grim tusk]

That is indeed kinda fast

[small timber]

where you basically are forced to have multiple movement accessory (eg: multiple balloons, very high movement speed) or you dont have the mobility to do sharp turn

[swift wharf]

if only they
they
they followed the BRAIN

[main hatch]

he is kinda always on screen...

[swift wharf]

HE IS

[small timber]

I only had 1 balloon for mobility, but ya I do feel it turn abit too sharp

[swift wharf]

FHEJBEENISKSKAKS

[versed cape]

are you not aware how creepers work?

[edgy sundial]

can confirm, BoC is always on screen for me

[swift wharf]

this man

[grim tusk]

(Magiluminescense but forcing an acc is ech)

[swift wharf]

please tell me you've fought brain before

[edgy sundial]

can also confirm, BoC creepers always track with BoC itself

[swift wharf]

this can't be real

[versed cape]

ive nohit every boss in the game so far, so yes, I have fought brain

[swift wharf]

this is not real

[grim tusk]

Maybe for ph2, problem is ph1 is inmovible

[edgy sundial]

i doubt this

[grim tusk]

BoC on the other hand always moves

[swift wharf]

I play on a small monitor they're pretty much always on screen

and if they're not

you have a (hopefully) functioning brain

so you know where they might be

(hopefully around the brain itself)

[versed cape]

wow what an incredibly accurate description

[swift wharf]

yes thank you

[versed cape]

now I know where creepers are at all times

[swift wharf]

no problem

[versed cape]

maybe I should just tell all the FTW defiled nohitters that creepers are near the brain

[swift wharf]

defiled isn't real

[versed cape]

im guessing theyll just beat the boss instantly, how awesome

what the fuck do you mean its not?????

[swift wharf]

defiled feather is gone

[eternal escarp]

defiled is indeed deleted, yeah

[swift wharf]

and nohit isn't relevant

and ftw is a joke

[versed cape]

yes and it lives on in nycros, the mod that EVERY nohitter uses

[frail mantle]

ftw is also a meme seed

[eternal escarp]

nycros mod isnt calamity

[swift wharf]

LMFAO

LMAOOOOO

[frail mantle]

at least, this mod regards it as one

[swift wharf]

💀

[small timber]

(also last time the one I said about perforator slanted shot is a false alarm, it is fine on normal, that attempt I am just doing it with literally floor is lava rule, so ya sorry for that)

[frail mantle]

this fact does not make it real in calamity

[eternal escarp]

quite certain that vanilla also does tbf

[swift wharf]

i am going to morb

[frail mantle]

nohit efficiency is not an official addon

[small timber]

unless the last patch did changed it

[main hatch]

ya i think so

[hollow shell]

uh ohhh the nohitter argument

[swift wharf]

truly a nohitter moment

(sorry basalt)

[versed cape]

thats not an argument, but interpret it however you want

[swift wharf]

((not sorry))

[versed cape]

I guess if youre not good at the game, you dont need any new accessory at all because everything is beatable without them

[drowsy plank]

i feel like this entire problem was solved about 2 hours ago when someone pointed out we could just make binoculars an accessory

[main hatch]

it kinda was

[swift wharf]

that was me

[drowsy plank]

thank you eclipse

[versed cape]

no new content, weapons, mechanics or items because a random person on discord "did that without that"

[swift wharf]

no problem

[main hatch]

awesome thank you

[swift wharf]

anyways that's a shit solution I have a better one

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[versed cape]

it was solved when someone said scope could be a global accessory

[swift wharf]

keep the hold functionality AND make it equipable

[small timber]

can we just, stop with the "I am too good and everyone else is below me" kind of argument, it is not really constructive

[drowsy plank]

oh i thought that was just implied but yeah that really would fix every problem with binocs lmfao

[versed cape]

Tell that to the people propagating it

[swift wharf]

i am shit at the game and zoom is not needed for brain of Cthulhu thank you very much

[versed cape]

literally 90% of arguments against new content is that people have done the boss without it

[hollow shell]

So, you.

[main hatch]

truly gigachad idea

[versed cape]

how did I do it

[swift wharf]

thank you thank you

[drowsy plank]

we did it guys we solved calamity

[versed cape]

eclipse literally just went "I dont need that for brain, fuck you and your accessory"

[hollow shell]

This

[swift wharf]

bro

it's BRAIN

[versed cape]

I was mimicking eclipse's exact thought process by saying that???

[swift wharf]

this is some high caliber mental gymnastics

I'm done

[versed cape]

do you genuinely think that was my actual opinion?

[versed cape]

wanna discuss every other boss then?

or do you just pick the easiest one and call it quits?

[swift wharf]

nah

[versed cape]

so it is option 2

[swift wharf]

there's already an wall of text that says which one needs it and which one doesn't

[drowsy plank]

xpc did a p good job summing it up yeah like this convo is deader than dead and yet here we are

[versed cape]

a bad one, but sure, that included 2 valid examples and could include 5 more at least

[swift wharf]

i am nuking the dead horse i am very sorry to everyone

[hollow shell]

Me trying to discern which pieces of overt aggression in the conversation are legitimate versus sarcastic

[drowsy plank]

i love internet conversations

[main hatch]

who knows

the internet is great

[hollow shell]

I would prefer if this convo just stopped cuz it doesn't seem like either side is making progress towards convincing the other

[swift wharf]

anyways we should remove feller of the evergreens

[versed cape]

what I said would literally be the very culmination of old toxic cesspool nohitcord, I genuinely didnt think anyone could take that seriously

[main hatch]

what does feller of evergreens even do

[hollow shell]

If you approve of Menaxelum's suggestion then you can star it, if not then don't

[drowsy plank]

it's a decent axe in the current version of the game

[swift wharf]

yea but it's like

silver axe two

[drowsy plank]

but it's gonna get overshadowed by the staff of regrowth upgrade hard

[swift wharf]

because (?)

[main hatch]

regrowth update/

?

[drowsy plank]

1.4.4

[swift wharf]

I'm surprised it didn't get nerfed and deleted

[drowsy plank]

gimme a sec wiki is being slow

[hollow shell]

Highly possible Feller will get removed and replaced in recipes by the new Regrowth axe yes

[swift wharf]

very good

[hollow shell]

Much like what happened with Frozen Shield

[drowsy plank]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Axe_of_Regrowth

[swift wharf]

it no longer has a purpose (being broken and op)

[hollow shell]

(I haven't heard any devs talk about this in specific, it's just my inference)

[drowsy plank]

the grax line is gonna have so many effects on it but i think this is a Good Thing
i hope we get the Axe of Purity effect on inferna and grax when Feller dies too

would be nice

[swift wharf]

this is very funny

[drowsy plank]

why did feller even get buffs lmfao

[swift wharf]

because uhhh true melee buffs

[drowsy plank]

molten pickaxe buffs when

[sage drum]

Axe of purity weapon

[swift wharf]

I think 1.5 buffed it

this is 2020

[drowsy plank]

"Due to its relatively cheap price and being available from the beginning, it can be made very early. Additionally, it has autoswing and has more damage than most of swords made with ores, so one can use it as a decent weapon until obtaining something better."

[swift wharf]

and yeah it was 1.5 that buffed it to 40 dmg

tbf it still has more damage than tungsten and below so

[unborn oriole]

Feller of Evergreens is truly one of the Axes of the Calamity mod

[small timber]

ok I know slime god is a bit weird (since you basically only use their weapon on WoF), but is it known that God's Gambit is literally worse than air spinner by a land slide?

like the only advantage is attack duration as it is infinite, but at the sametime on a target like WoF attack duration is not exactly the main thing you will focus on

I am not sure if this is a bug or wiki is oudated

[drowsy plank]

seems like a bug, or maybe super dummies are weird

[small timber]

and I think on the other hand air spinner straight up do not have attack duration limit, so god's gambit single potential upside doesn't even exist

[drowsy plank]

lol

[distant gyro]

slimes doing nothing is a bug

goobow also has this issue or something

[small timber]

ok at least it is known

[crude geode]

Mana flower addicts when they have to work for the braindead accessory

[drowsy plank]

you dont even have to literally just kill EoC and buy one from dryad

[crude geode]

That’s no longer early game tho cogni

[drowsy plank]

if people think EoC isn't early game im beating their head in with a rock

he's literally one dash removed from just being a fancy king slime

in normal mode he literally IS just flying king slime

[crude geode]

It baffles me that this is really considered a valid suggestion

[drowsy plank]

i guess Rover's seen it and is letting it pass but i still can't even tell what the fuck it's asking lmao

[small timber]

mage do is the most grindy class (in terms of consumables), mages need things like magic power and mana regen potion constantly, and also is really the only class that require you to grind out stars which are really useful material for many other things

the suggestion is "partially true", just ya not all of it is really a problem

[frosty trellis]

Blood orbs be like

[drowsy plank]

tbf it doesn't mention star grinding like... at all tho

[frosty trellis]

Also doesn't the wizard sell magic power and mana regen?

So in hm that no longer is a problem?

[drowsy plank]

which ur right, that is an actual problem, but they dont mention it
also he does, but also you have astral so craftable stars too

HM has a lot of ways to fix it, preHM does not

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

i think reducing mana crystal cost would be good

[frosty trellis]

But in phm it's not really that necessary? Frost bolt you can get immediately and you are basically fine

[crude geode]

Is is 1.4 or 1.4.4 that made it to 5

[frosty trellis]

You get so many fallen stars that the mana crystal cost makes sense

[drowsy plank]

1.4

[frosty trellis]

1.4

Well, 1.4.1

[drowsy plank]

current version of calamity has it at 5

it used to (and should still be) 3

[crude geode]

Tbh yes

[frosty trellis]

It was 3 but fallen stars fall much more often now

Hence it was turned back to 5 like it was back in 1.2

[crude geode]

Has anyone even tried to fish up the mana crystal fish

[frosty trellis]

Tried to? No
Ended up getting like 7 trying to get frog leg? Yes

[crude geode]

It just feels. weird considering how wack early game fishing is

[frosty trellis]

I don't even bother fishing early game usually

No real point

Buffs you find in chests are more than fine for the first few bosses

[crude geode]

God I love 10% fishing rod

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Just go jungling and get the 33% one

Ez

[crude geode]

That reminds me

How does cal balance the blood moon drops (frog and blood rain bow)

Considering you can technically get it pre-boss

[frosty trellis]

That is.... A very good question

[drowsy plank]

easy; they dont

i dont even know how BRB's dps is

i wonder if it's viable on skeletron

[frosty trellis]

Oh no

@grim tusk Executioners Blade Spam is uhhhhh, strong
Only 3 candles used were the ones That Are Not spiteful, can ss my buff slots if you need confirmation

1q3w3m

[grim tusk]

3 offensive accs

[frosty trellis]

I though almagam counted as a stat stick?

Considering the dodge

[grim tusk]

(If it were for the dodge you’d use EMirror at that point

[swift wharf]

ironically not that hard to get

[frosty trellis]

Spam so emirror isn't nearly as good here

[grim tusk]

Try darksun ring

[frosty trellis]

DSR over Almalgam? Kk

Really like Amalgam but fine

[grim tusk]

Maybe also venerated locket over EE?

[frosty trellis]

It's a difference of 3% damage what did you expect

[frosty trellis]

I can give it a go

[frosty trellis]

That's even better than EE wtf

[grim tusk]

Ven locket is back from the dead

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[grim tusk]

Altho yes those killtimes are concerning

[frosty trellis]

It's probably solely because of how Executioners blade works but yeah

Probably amazing with Seraphim spam

[frosty trellis]

Quite considering it's half the normal kt

[grim tusk]

Rogue has a fuckton of these

I giveth: Viable Crushsaw crusher
I taketh: Op Fantasy Talismans

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[crude geode]

treasure hunt to find all of them

[frosty trellis]

Lmaooooo

I mean I am basically doing Yharon for shade rn so that will help