suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

8 more debuff flasks that serve no practical purpose

didn't this exact sugg just get rejected like, last month??

[eternal escarp]

base terraria had like

what

10 flasks

you use only 2

3 max

[drowsy plank]

poison, fire, ichor, cursed, acid

[eternal escarp]

if you play 2 of the 4 classes

theres also party, gold, nanite flasks

[small timber]

I think if dot debuff are like, not 90% concentrated on fire debuff then there is at least some chance of build option

[eternal escarp]

i think another 2 i forget

[small timber]

As of currently really only sickness and heat/fire deal damage

[drowsy plank]

party and gold aren't real bc they Do Nothing but yeah nanite does exist

[eternal escarp]

gold is atleast unique

[drowsy plank]

cal already has a good balance between the 3 flasks

brim (best DoT), ichor (arm pierce), crumbling (DR pierce)

[small timber]

Cursed flame is better than brimstone flame for now

Altix said he gonna buff it later

[drowsy plank]

at most a sort of web/chilled flask could be like. okay. but literally there is no other actual niche for flasks after that

[umbral dew]

mixed flasks

[small timber]

Yeah, it just become debuffs that deal more and more damage

[drowsy plank]

that's just old cursed flames

[eternal escarp]

almost like.. flask is just another potion...

for damage!

[drowsy plank]

woa!

[grim tusk]

Honestly ye, the thing fucking already boosts dmg more than wrath potion, and gets holy flames. Maybe if it was moved into a flask?

[eternal escarp]

like

[small timber]

I dont think there is really a need for holy flame flask?

[eternal escarp]

33% of w3apons post ml inflicf holy flames

[small timber]

I dont mind holy wrath just straight up lose that

[eternal escarp]

we dont need a flask just remove the effect

from the potion

[eternal escarp]

post ml up to scal/drae, that is

[half sage]

yea profaned rage is just more crit but holy wrath is more damage and holy fire because ???

[small timber]

Though if holy wrath holy fire get removed, I do think both potions need to have their yield adjusted

Since you now sacrifice galactica singularity and unholy essence at 1:1 ratio to get like, 2% damage and crit upgrade from a preHM potion?

[distant gyro]

merge holy wrath with profaned rage

[small timber]

It is not too bad tbh

[distant gyro]

split off holy flames into its own flask

[small timber]

(though 44 buff slots makes it a bit redundant)

[distant gyro]

so you get something along the lines of Holy Power Potion + Flask of Holy Flames

after all, a 2% buff for each potion is not that big

it's incremental but honestly not enough for a new potion

could just merge them

[fossil finch]

but flask of holy flames would be class locked,.,.,

[distant gyro]

flasks are already class locked silly

[drowsy plank]

i wonder if mage/ranger will ever get something to make up for No Flasks or maybe they'll just be balanced around not needing them

[eternal escarp]

ranger has ammo

[distant gyro]

ranger has bullets which are basically bootlegged flasks

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[distant gyro]

mage is just mage

[drowsy plank]

ah, fair

[eternal escarp]

pretty much the same just sometimes cooler

[drowsy plank]

when are we getting crumbling bullets and tome of crumbling

[eternal escarp]

The Ballista and (insert weapon here)

[distant gyro]

death valley duster for crumbling

[eternal escarp]

does it actually inflict armor crunch?

[distant gyro]

no but it should

[versed cape]

except the best dot sucks the further you go

[distant gyro]

dr pierce also sucks the moment you get it

and defense pierce also sucks the further you go

[versed cape]

brim giving you 5% movement speed is probably more useful than the damage

[eternal escarp]

it doesnt give you 5% anymore

im pretty sure

because its a flask not a potion

[distant gyro]

you need 470+ base damage for armor crunch to break even over ichor for cryogen

which is certainly a number

[eternal escarp]

a number that dao of pow reaches iirc

[grim tusk]

Now DR reduction aint braindead always use over ichor unless its ML

[distant gyro]

like dao and beam sword

and maybe rox

[fossil finch]

yeah?? and the current potion isnt??? thats my point,.

[vague vortex]

is there going to be magic weapons drops for the exo mechs?

[upbeat yacht]

yes

[vague vortex]

u know any yet?

[upbeat yacht]

none are known, devs just have plans to add one

[vague vortex]

ah alr

[upbeat yacht]

@grim tusk hi, can you look into tracking disk? It appears as though its lasers start dealing 1 dmg after some time

here's the gear that goose was using

[distant gyro]

there's a frame one hack with stealth strike attacks

this is huge for ss damage multipliers

[frosty trellis]

Roxcalibur is hilariously op rn. It doesn't need to try that

[grim tusk]

Ya sure the first stealth laser is not the disk hitting?

Also try armor pen

The first laser doing 120 sounds awfully wrong tho

Should be doing way less

[upbeat yacht]

yeah, when i tested it, it wasn't doing 120, but it wasn't doing 1 either

[distant gyro]

the frame one hack also applies randomly to other stuffs

sometimes you can get dynamic pursuer stealth to do full damage

which is like 20k

god damn broken

[upbeat yacht]

i'll recheck tomorrow, since i'm heading to sleep now

[versed cape]

guess that was also a new change

cringe changelog not telling us anything useful

[kindred basin]

oh does tracking disk have the deathstare rod issue

where the damage just gradually falls off

[neat linden]

wasn't deathstare issue that the damage gradually rised to infinity

[frail mantle]

yes

[molten leaf]

im not sure if the tracking disc needs this but damage decreases as the charge on a draedon weapon is used so that might be your problem

[upbeat yacht]

that's not what's happening, like, at all
the damage starts out normally but decreases over the duration of one throw

[molten leaf]

hmm im not sure then maybe you could look in the bugs-read-pins channel for help

[strange otter]

titanium crates still give titanium before you beat your 2nd mech boss even though that's not how its supposed to go due to progression

[drowsy plank]

crate progression jump scare

@strange otter this should be in #bugs-read-pins

[zenith flicker]

Dragon rage needs to be nerfed big time, but I think everyone already knows that

[inner anvil]

Was already nerfed this update.

[zenith flicker]

Was it?

[inner anvil]

Yes.

[gilded scroll]

so its not as funny against Brimstone Hearts/T. Hanos?

[gilded scroll]

fun times

[zenith flicker]

I'm gonna check Thanatos out

They clearly didn't nerf it enough

[inner anvil]

Well, this is all we can do.

Or we either delete Dragon Rage or we delete Thanatos from the game.

None of those are going to happen.

[zenith flicker]

What if you rework the dragon rage instead of just nerfing it

[inner anvil]

I don't make the rules.

You can try suggesting a rework if you have enough and valid reasoning.

[zenith flicker]

I'm bad at making good ideas though

[inner anvil]

You don't need to say what the rework should be, you can just say that it needs a rework for X, Y and Z reasons.

[half sage]

in fact, suggesting what the rework should be would fall under SIS and get it ❗'d

[zenith flicker]

Oh, I'm lazy though, maybe I'll do it later

[drowsy plank]

is dragon rage actually a problem

[umbral dew]

the solution is not making worm bosses

[tropic sleet]

Terraria mod tries not to make a worm boss (challenge impossible)

[radiant meadow]

Revert Dragon Rage back to lazy projectile sword

Problem solved

[frosty trellis]

No

[ruby plover]

urg please noooooo no more flasks

blanket buff debuff potionssss taking away my precious debuff weapon identityyyy

[drowsy plank]

you WILL put every debuff onto a flask you WILL reduce build diversity you WILL enjoy having to balance around every single weapon having an extra 100 dps because you crafted some dust with a water bottle

[grim tusk]

plus its not THAT much damage anyways, just some chip damage
So innocent

Iban about to mald in a moment with more Cracksholt colt/Midas Prime suggs

[glossy jungle]

should i remove the suggestion then?

[grim tusk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Looks far better than the rest suggs related to the coins

[glossy jungle]

if its been suggested then there is no point in trying

[frosty trellis]

Hey @pastel crow I found A Funny Weapon

[swift wharf]

ain't no way

[frosty trellis]

This thing is stupid

[worthy lintel]

roxcalibur 🦑

[frosty trellis]

@zenith flicker @inner anvil @gilded scroll
Okay, so, after testing Dragon's Rage and Murasama myself out for a bit to get a feel for both of them since the dragons rage nerf and no more shattering:
Murasama is now the best weapon for SCal's Hearts
Both preform about the same on average on SCal (Murasama being better for the hearts and brothers while Dragons Rage annihilates the seekers)
Dragon's Rage does less damage than Murasama on Solo Ares in BLENDER
Dragon's Rage is dumb as fuck on Thanatos Still but only in the solo phase. It's still very strong normally but isn't as much of an automatic delete button without BOTH rage and adren (Adren alone doesn't kill Thanatos from full which is cool)
Both still suck on Exo twins but what did you expect

[inner anvil]

Ok.

[zenith flicker]

👍

[frosty trellis]

So yeah Dragon's Rage is fine now

[steel raptor]

@worthy lintel
Are night’s edge, horseman’s blade, and excalibur going to remain true melee weapons? If so, would that make true excalibur a true melee weapon now? I’m sure with the reworks improving these weapons, the calamity buffs they got might be toned down, right?

[drowsy plank]

I mean... true Excalibur has the same buffs Excalibur has right now... at most I could see a possible size reduction from their current size, but honestly, I don't see any reason Cal would revert their changes

it's not like either of these changes broke the weapons and made them incredibly more viable than they were

[frosty trellis]

^^^^

No reason for them not too

If anything the only thing I see happening is nights edge getting a nerf in cal but that's kinda it

[cobalt pewter]

lowkey make Night's Edge HM premech instead

:cluel

[drowsy plank]

is Night's Edge really any more busted than Fractured Ark rn?

[cobalt pewter]

I forgot that weapon exists

[drowsy plank]

same tier and everything

arguably Edge is weaker rn lmao

[cobalt pewter]

the main reason I've been wanting NE to be HM in vanilla is because it overshadowed its own materials (and potentially other weapons on tier)

Murasama buff is good but like

no one realistically will use it when you can fucking craft NE with it

more of a tiering issue really

[drowsy plank]

isn't NE already post slime god in cal anyway?

[cobalt pewter]

when did that happen

[drowsy plank]

it is! yeah

[frosty trellis]

In vanilla it kills WoF in under a minute rn

[cobalt pewter]

I never paid attention to anything but rogue

[drowsy plank]

two updates ago i think

[cobalt pewter]

oof

[frosty trellis]

Also FA got nerfed cog

By a fair bit

[drowsy plank]

ah

[cobalt pewter]

byeah the context of NE retier I mentioned was primarily for vanilla

probably doesn't matter as much in cal

[drowsy plank]

well, still, i doubt Edge is going to get much more of a nerf than to just make it comparable to FA, so maybe reduced damage numbers but not much else

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair bc it's stupid in vanilla

Viable for all three mech bosses

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[frosty trellis]

Arguably the best melee weapon for skele prime and destroyer rn

[swift wharf]

and then beam sword exists

and phaseblades

sabers*

[drowsy plank]

slr phaseblades be like

[umbral dew]

the best melee weapon for destroyer is actualy the hydraulic volt crasher

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure they're talking about in vanilla

[radiant meadow]

I love pre hardmode big red blade of death

[cobalt pewter]

tr

the biggest missed opportunity of vanilla's terra blade line rework is the lack of such visual upgrade on more appropriate swords

phaseblades and phasesabers are literally perfect additions for such visuals

lightsabers in terraria feel so weak

[crude geode]

@dapper coral kill

[scarlet grotto]

what does the comprehension reaction mean and why do 3 people already have that on my thing

Help

[vestal sparrow]

read the pins

[drowsy plank]

i mean even if they fix the formatting error this suggestion is also just Bad

[sand ermine]

ding dong ditching

[distant gyro]

clueless

[ashen warren]

that's the number of people agreeing

[hollow shell]

@scarlet grotto Reference-for-the-sake-of-reference suggestions are not allowed, see the Don'ts Doc in pins
In fact, the Don'ts Doc specifically mentions MGR as something you shouldn't suggest more references for

I know we have MGR references in our mod, many in fact
But you can imagine with how it exploded in popularity not long ago, everybody comes in with their funny haha there will be blood standing here and it will come rules of nature ideas

[scarlet grotto]

sorry.

[shut trench]

Is it posible to get the leveling system back as a seperate mod?

[distant gyro]

sure

anyone can make it

it's not very hard to make

[swift wharf]

why though

[shut trench]

I like being able too lvl up and feel the progress that way too

[distant gyro]

idk but any time something gets removed there's gonna be an equal and opposite force of someone adding it back

[swift wharf]

there's probably a mod with an actual leveling system

[distant gyro]

the second law of modding

[swift wharf]

instead of whatever proficiency was

[distant gyro]

there are a couple RPG mods that actually has skill trees and stuff

[swift wharf]

what's the first law

[distant gyro]

not sure if it's ported to 1.4

[swift wharf]

^

[distant gyro]

first law is qol

[swift wharf]

of course

[distant gyro]

nuff said

[shut trench]

True, i'll see what i can find thx guys

[distant gyro]

those mods are also much more nuanced than proficiency

you can actually spend skill points and stuff into whatever

[shut trench]

That does sound fun tho may i get a sugestion to a mod?

[distant gyro]

leveled mod iirc

[shut trench]

Thx, i'll look it up tomorrow👍😊

And sorry mods if my questions was out of topic in this chat😅

[frosty trellis]

@inner anvil Apparently "balanced post ML summoner" now means a pre providence weapon is broken on SCal and Exo Mechs

[north oracle]

how tf can a pre provi weapon kill SCal in only 4 minutes

[frosty trellis]

I have no idea

Like my setup isn't unreasonable or dps oriented or anything

[north oracle]

that's absolutely ridiculous lmao, how long till the next cal update when this thing gets nerfed again

[frosty trellis]

Yeah this thing needs to get mega nerfed

[north oracle]

with a DPS setup it would be viable for nohitting somehow

[frosty trellis]

Probably not actually

It would probably go under MNL

For SCal

[north oracle]

seriously

that's insane

oh she does have a long MNL doesn't she

[half sage]

between this and dank staff being viable in hardmode summoner had a bit of an oopsie this update

[novel belfry]

excuse me?

[small timber]

because ranger bullet damage scales with every single minion you have

I guess

imagine if you have like 10 mega shark at the sametime, the base damage from bullet alone probably goes bananas

[novel belfry]

okay, that sounds
ABSURDLY BUSTED

[drowsy plank]

i think it's cause they buffed the base damage while also "fixing it not properly scaling with summon damage"

according to changelogs

so likely some kind of oversight

[north oracle]

and mounted scanner being even more busted than it already was

[novel belfry]

Mount Scanner is even stronger?

[drowsy plank]

truly a summoner moment

[half sage]

summoner is truly the class of all time

[grim tusk]

Fabs vodka spotted (no alcohols allowed), and spiteful candle too, altho still wtf

[frosty trellis]

Regardless

It's crazy

And like take 5-10 seconds off for fabbys vodka and it's still well below testing time

So it really doesn't matter all that much I just like the iframes

[drowsy plank]

we got that vid of someone doing moon lord with blood clot staff so overall

Summoner.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Was like 4:30

Which considering ML is 4 minutes AND BLOOD CLOT IS POST PREFORATORS

[drowsy plank]

that was kinda suboptimally too since they just let ML keep sucking up clots

i could easily seeing you rounding it down to a 4 with practice

[frosty trellis]

How badly do you want to know....

[drowsy plank]

idc too much but if you're bored it could be fun

[royal tapir]

Got curious and decided to test it myself

[frosty trellis]

Were you using Holy Fire bullets?

That helps a lot

[proud quest]

hi is it a good idea to suggest buffing boss rush or is it against the rules

[royal tapir]

God Slayer Slugs

[frosty trellis]

Yeah use Holy Fire bullets. GSS has weird shit with iframes

[finite smelt]

There's a pinned doc in #suggestions-posting

For what not to do

[royal tapir]

My build also isn't nearly as glass cannon as yours

[frosty trellis]

How is my build glass cannon????

[proud quest]

i dotn know if they tell you specifically not to suggest buffing/nerfing things

[royal tapir]

You used alcohol and candles

[frosty trellis]

Fabbys vodka yeah

[royal tapir]

That's automatically more glass cannon than any tester build

[proud quest]

i saw peoples suggestions get denied immediately by suggesting to buff bosses

[frosty trellis]

Candles isn't class cannon

[royal tapir]

Yes they are

[frosty trellis]

And some testers use candles

[finite smelt]

Then read the document.

[royal tapir]

Spiteful Candle on god

[frosty trellis]

How are candles glass cannon

Spiteful candle is 5% damage that pierces through DR

[royal tapir]

Yes

[frosty trellis]

That's not glass cannon????

[royal tapir]

It is

[frosty trellis]

I'm using literally all the defensive candles as well what

[royal tapir]

cool

[finite smelt]

High DPS=/=glass cannon

[frosty trellis]

True

I can take a number of hits

[royal tapir]

Balanced build would still be better

[frosty trellis]

I fail to see how my build isn't balanced outside fabbys vodka which would lower the time by about 5-10 seconds

I just like the iframes

[royal tapir]

I mean

I used 2 damage accessories

[frosty trellis]

Literally 4 of my accessory are for movement or defense

[finite smelt]

That's a tank focused build then?

[royal tapir]

I also didn't use Yharim's Stims or food

[frosty trellis]

Nucleo and RTN are pure offensive
DSR is both offensive and defensive

[frosty trellis]

Both of which are amazing all around buffs

[proud quest]

is this an indication i dont suggest making boss rush more difficult

[royal tapir]

Does that change my statement at all

[frosty trellis]

I literally do not understand how the frack my build is "glass cannon"

[royal tapir]

It is slightly glass yes

[frosty trellis]

Very slightly because of fabbys vodka which would make the killtime 5-10 seconds faster. I just like the Iframes from it

[finite smelt]

Not building to purely tank=/= glass

It's standard

[royal tapir]

Because 3 damage accessories, Fab, candles

[frosty trellis]

3 of the 4 candles are movement/defensive

[royal tapir]

Yipoo

[frosty trellis]

I don't see the problem

[royal tapir]

The 1

[frosty trellis]

And 3 offensive/3 defensive or movement + wings isn't unheard of or anything

[finite smelt]

Glass cannon would be 4+ damage accessories

[frosty trellis]

Just think you're taking this WAY to far

[royal tapir]

And also comparing our times

[edgy sundial]

That's a glass cannon build

[frosty trellis]

I mean you're using less buffs overall so idk there

[finite smelt]

........................

[glass arch]

if 4+ damage accs is glass cannon i dont want to know what a melee tank build is

[glass arch]

you are high

[edgy sundial]

Well he's increasing his damage in some way, idk what else it would be?

[frosty trellis]

So I can still deal good damage???

[royal tapir]

I'm outta here

[edgy sundial]

If your armor gives you +damage, that's also glass cannon

[glass arch]

not glass cannon, glass cannon is you deal heavy dps but you get virtually one shot

[royal tapir]

You guys can argue about what a glass cannon is ig

[finite smelt]

Glass cannon is an all damage build that almost completely, or completely casts out survivability

[glass arch]

yeah, my kinda class

[edgy sundial]

If you have any of the well fed buffs, they give you damage so that's also glass cannon

[frosty trellis]

Besides fabsol's vodka I couldn't for the life of me see how my build is just glass cannon, and just take like 10 seconds off my time if you're so concerned and it will be more than fine. Like, geez

[glass arch]

glass cannon does not mean having damage buffs

[finite smelt]

Burger the kinda MF to run the whole game with reaver tank armor

[cobalt pewter]

for the context of boss rush, as long as you have a solid direction and reasoning for your sugg it's valid enough

whether it'll be delivered and accepted will depend on the community and the devs respectively

since no one seems to answer

[glass arch]

glass cannon means having no survivability

[proud quest]

oh alright

thanks

[edgy sundial]

Bruh, you're using a candle that gives you damage with no defensive drawbacks, that's literally the definition of glass cannon
(/s since people still aren't getting it...)

[proud quest]

bruh

u srs rn

[finite smelt]

Glass cannon is damage with defensive drawbacks

[frosty trellis]

How?????
I'm using the other two defensive candles AND the movement candle as well? I use all four regardless because it's not like it's crazy or anything

[frosty trellis]

Such as Dimensional Soul Artifact, or Omega Blue Armor, or literally every alcohol

[small timber]

spiteful doesn't change if a build is glass/defensive yeah

[edgy sundial]

So are we gonna ignore the "/s" or?

[glass arch]

i think the tone indicator means theyre being sarcasm thats why i didnt reply

[small timber]

it is literally just damage boost, saying it is glass cannon is the equivalent of saying using wrath and rage potion make your build glass cannon

[unique vector]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766080795680702504/1011828257089396736/db2affb73bfa6f0fb67f4097f0d3155e1.gif

average sugg disc conversation

[royal tapir]

I'm glad I could cause some chaos

[edgy sundial]

The /s indicates sarcasm, actually

[small timber]

it is just not every tester use it since there is an arena cost (and it to amplify damage by quite a bit)

[frosty trellis]

Fabby's Vodka can influence the times a bit but it's a 5-10 second difference at most and it would still show the absurdity of some weapons or still show some shit are bad

[glass arch]

yea i knew that, but before that i couldnt tell if you were trolling or serious

[small timber]

fab vodka is not really glassy either (basically trade defense for iframe), but ya ideally dont use it

[frosty trellis]

I mean I make my arenas in not like crazy obscene ways so yeah

[frosty trellis]

I use it because I really like the iframes from it

[small timber]

iframe is quite big too, 10 frames = 1/6 of a second

[finite smelt]

The iframe buff counteracts the defense debuff imo

[frosty trellis]

It's so nice

EXACTLY

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[glass arch]

idek what fab vodka does i just know its in calamity combo so im almost always using it

[royal tapir]

Rampart of Deities crying in the corner

[frosty trellis]

Combine that with stuff like Deific/Rampart and Celestial Tracers and it's just a fun time

[frosty trellis]

Why not both?

[small timber]

rampart is like 40 frames?

yeah they stack perfectly

[royal tapir]

Do they stack?

Bruh

[frosty trellis]

Yep

[small timber]

yes

[frosty trellis]

And Celestial Tracers as well

[royal tapir]

Why

[small timber]

I dont know

they just, stack?

I have a video testing iframe too, let me see if I can find it

[frosty trellis]

And then I use Statis's Void Sash on top of that for the Dodge and I am gaming

[finite smelt]

+10% damage, -10% damage, +10 i frames on hit

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pomp6SKU0yo the slow down I used initially is a bit too slow so bear with me a bit

[royal tapir]

Generally, I still refrain from using alcohols, candles, or effigies when getting test times

[proud quest]

do i post?

[small timber]

effigies are unironically not that glassy too, but ya I think effigy lean abit too much towards nohitters already

[small timber]

boss rush balancing is not a priority right now

[proud quest]

you think it would get denied?

[small timber]

and they are about to rearrange boss rush boss order anyway

[royal tapir]

Effigies have a glass cannon-esque drawback, and they're limited

[proud quest]

oh

[frosty trellis]

I don't use them because it feels like that yeah

[proud quest]

aight i hope buffs come with it

[frosty trellis]

And also my buff slots are limited as is

[proud quest]

do you think i should post it now though

[frosty trellis]

And I would rather have all my other usual assortment of buffs

[small timber]

to put it simply if you successfully get enough vote, it will just get a ✅ and then get implemented like 3 years later

[royal tapir]

I still think it's worth distinguishing from like
"Tester" vs. non-glass cannon

[small timber]

while if you didnt make the suggestion, it will likely get implemented 3 years later anyway

[proud quest]

i just dont know if it will get denied

aight posted it

screw it

[small timber]

I dont think it will get denied, it will just be in the back log anyway

[proud quest]

i jsut thought it would get denied because its a huge rework yk

[frosty trellis]

I don't see how my build if I took off fabsol's vodka couldn't be legitimately used by testers? Like I've even asked testers in the past to know what kind of gear I should use and stuff

[proud quest]

to balance the every boss in boss rush

[small timber]

there was a time where some testers use shattering or not when testing melee yeah

[royal tapir]

So your build is non-glass cannon

[frosty trellis]

And when I show testers my results it's not like they say "oh that's glass cannon" or anything

[royal tapir]

Not a tester build

Glad we could agree on that

[small timber]

I think candle is completely fine, it is just a choice

ideally dont use vodka yeah, just so it is considered more balance

[frosty trellis]

I did but it no longer exists so it doesn't matter

[frosty trellis]

My iframes ;-;

[royal tapir]

Rampart

[small timber]

just cope with rampart

[royal tapir]

Just don't get hit

[frosty trellis]

I have rampart/deific in every post dues build I have

Okay Mr "I nohit boss rush"

[royal tapir]

🤓

[small timber]

rampart/deific is pretty stupid yeah

[frosty trellis]

I use them yeah

But with fabbys I get close to the iframe cap and it can help cover some skill issue

[small timber]

just casually extend iframe from 40 frames/ (2/3) seconds at no item, to 90 frames or 1.5 seconds

because why not

[frosty trellis]

Also it pairs extremely well with Statis's Void Sash/The Amalgamam Dodge

And yes, I unironically use both

[proud quest]

never agreed as much as i do with this message

[frosty trellis]

It's too bad proficiency is done

[proud quest]

ohh

i didnt read it lol

[half sage]

it has over 100 stars, inb4 it passes and gets sent to dev server

[small timber]

only for it to get denied 5 seconds after it enter the dev server :clueless:

[cobalt pewter]

true

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add A Way To Keep Track Of How Many Minion Slots You Have (and Used)]

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@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename 'The Reaper' to 'The Old Reaper']

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@buoyant tangle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add RGB keyboard and mouse support for Calamity biomes and bosses]

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@outer frost - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have ashen slabs and brimstone slag blend when placed next to eachother]

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[Improve the visibility of Old Duke’s teeth projectiles]

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[buoyant tangle]

nice

[inner anvil]

That was not my doing.

I know how it happened, but it wasn't me.

[frosty trellis]

Then who do I need to yell at? /j

[inner anvil]

Nobody, we're aware of this issue already.

[frosty trellis]

Ah

And same with how stupid blood clot and dank staff are?

[inner anvil]

And I just don't know who did that, straight up.

Nerfed next update.

[frosty trellis]

Kk

[vocal grotto]

Altix was the one who requested the blot clot stuff
Not sure about the funky plague engines

[distant gyro]

History says it's buffed from 52 to 100, then 400, then nerfed down to 250, then 200

and Memes was struggling to get a good kill time with 100 damage

[thorny junco]

Bro i go offline for a few hours

And thousands of messages appear

[distant gyro]

yes, you're in a public server

[thorny junco]

Bro this server probably has more words than every fucking novel combined

The server also embodies this image:

[crude geode]

It’s almost like there’s thousands of people here

[green osprey]

@scarlet grotto ‘s suggestion has a major issue: there’s a rule that says you shouldn’t make a suggestion just for a reference(and that suggestion was just for a reference).

[crude geode]

That’s why it has the ❗

[green osprey]

I know. I was just pointing out why it was a bad suggestion.

[eternal escarp]

@jagged stone thats not how you format a suggestion + there is a config

[hollow shell]

@jagged stone Hello there is a config option to disable it

[eternal escarp]

damn double

well

[hollow shell]

wew

[jagged stone]

I played with others but he refused to disable it and he said he wanted original calamity.

[hollow shell]

Then that's

a problem with your friend?

The mod itself doesn't need to outright remove a feature just because your friend is stubborn

[small timber]

that is either your friends fault or your fault, if you are playing multiplayer the basic is to come to an agreement

otherwise there will be A LOT more things you will have to make suggestion to delete about

[gilded scroll]

im sensing a bit of a skill issue
but in all seriousness- im gonna sound like a broken record, but the config exists, talk to everyone in your playthrough about it they want it on or not, and just go with it
simple

[deft yew]

goog

[swift wharf]

vile feeder but not

[unreal viper]

going back to my wheelhouse.

[cobalt pewter]

Rogue doesn't need Daedalus the same way ranged doesn't as far as I understood

as for summoner

really? another overhead summon?

literally one step after Daedalus you have Chlorophyte which does the exact same thing (but probably better in cal, I haven't compared its buff in 1.4.4 vanilla yet)

[drowsy plank]

cal at least gives chloro The Pulse

which is great

@wooden canopy can you please delete this, this is already planned and this is going to be the third time this exact suggestion will pass

[upbeat yacht]

supreme calamatoad

[drowsy plank]

also ur breaking the rules with a double sugg AND a balance sugg at that

lmao

[frail mantle]

burning sky is a problem child

[cobalt pewter]

hell even vanilla gives the funny leaf crystal whole ass beams because they probably realized the leaves are dogshit lmao

[scarlet grotto]

i get it sheesh

[drowsy plank]

true

[half sage]

mfw future content suggestion

[grim tusk]

@supple adder planned, also future content

@proud quest how do i explain it to you. BR will not be like Pantheon of Hallownest. It already takes about half an hour already (unless you go glass cannon and play extremely well) and making it take longer would make it even more of a pain in the ass. You can use the HP% boost on the config to make them tankier

[swift wharf]

how about making boss rush suggestions a temporary don't until it becomes a relevant priority

[drowsy plank]

honestly im suprised this hasn't been done yet already

[frosty trellis]

@pastel crow For a weapon that heals you this is a bit strong don't you think?

[pastel crow]

yea

[golden tulip]

did you screenshot that instead of saving it

i can see the transparent background

[frosty trellis]

I slapped the time into a g.drawings where I put all my testing times lol

[golden tulip]

[frosty trellis]

Shrugs It works and I can make it into a pdf later

It's what I do

[versed cape]

empyrian knives have shit healing

thats why theyre allowed to be so powerful

vampire knives literally heal more

on yharon

with the same setup

also thats a very mediocre time

[unreal viper]

Facts and logic.

Ranged doesn’t need Daedalus anymore, mythril op.

[versed cape]

ranged doesnt need anything

incredible class and people that say its underpowered are delusional

[unreal viper]

Are you trying to controversy bait or something.

[frosty trellis]

Yharon's testing time with balanced loadout no rippers is 4:00
And Emp Knives still heal a fair bit. Enough to where I just felt like I could do this all day

[unreal viper]

The only reason I don’t mention the rogue helmet is because it technically could be seen as a spam armor, even if spam is garbage in the current meta.

[versed cape]

I could feel like doing yharon all day regardless of the weapon, thats not a good argument

also some ppl will get hit so much that the healing doesnt matter anyway

[frosty trellis]

The killtime is the main argument
And the healing is better than you think
For a weapon that heals the player having it be under the testing time doesn't really work

That is legitimately overpowered

[unreal viper]

Then the weapon they use won’t matter

[versed cape]

I will never understand how you guys test

[unreal viper]

[versed cape]

extreme dps is the best way to deal with skill issue so not really

cosmic discharge lets you go 55-0 in one adrenaline

[hollow shell]

Weird argument considering that's the main purpose of healing

[versed cape]

true true

[frosty trellis]

Balanced loadout (No stuff like DSA or Alcohols or Effigies, 3 movement/defense, 3 offensive/stat sticks, if odd amount of slots defensive/movement takes up that slot)
No rage or adrenaline
Expert-Revengence as the difficulty

Only calamity and vanilla shit is allowed

[unreal viper]

Reaper tooth necklace and warding accessories.

Which works now

Man I’m so behind the times

[frosty trellis]

Generally 3 menacing 3 warding and the odd slot is warding or quick

[versed cape]

not trying

[unreal viper]

Cool.

[versed cape]

ranger has best in slot weapons for a boss multiple times

[unreal viper]

Irrelevant

And immaterial

[versed cape]

and consistent choices for all bosses

[frosty trellis]

Yeah ranger has consistency

That's the main selling point of ranger right now is that it's never bad

And 2nd highest defense of any class

[tardy smelt]

^

[versed cape]

thats just melee lite, and melee is also extremely good

[unreal viper]

Rogue should have higher defense imo, but whatever

[umbral dew]

i wonder how knives are overpowered when it has a killtime of almost 4 minutes if it was overpowered it would be 1 minute

[frosty trellis]

Melee is wildly unbalanced
Everything is either too good or really bad with a couple of exceptions

[tardy smelt]

^

[unreal viper]

Ranger defense honestly doesn’t matter too too much except compared to maybe summoner

[unreal viper]

The load out is balanced and has no rippers

Rippers are insane

[tardy smelt]

Ranger excels by being the "safe choice"

[versed cape]

yeah but similar to ranger theres always a good option, but it has best in slot weapons even more often

[unreal viper]

They’re a major factor to absurd kill times.

[tardy smelt]

Decent tankiness, consistently good options, easy to grasp gameplay

[umbral dew]

dont balance around adrenaline its that simple

[tardy smelt]

You'll never go wrong with Ranger

[unreal viper]

Why not?

[frosty trellis]

Yharon's testing time is 4 minutes
Balanced loadout no rippers
Emp Knives are 3:4x and they heal you, and considering a weapon that heals you is under the testing killtime for Yharon, by all rational thought it should be nerfed because something that gives you healing while attacking shouldn't be extremely strong

[unreal viper]

It is a game mechanic, an important one.

[versed cape]

because you will get utterly impractical results

[umbral dew]

the majority of players wont get adrenaline in boss fights

so balancing around nohitting is bad period

[unreal viper]

Fair enough.

[tardy smelt]

I know that Teiull did vanilla balancing with glass cannon

[unreal viper]

Anyway, what sugg were we talking about again.

[tardy smelt]

But uh

[unreal viper]

[tardy smelt]

Vanilla doesn't have adrenaline now does it :p

[versed cape]

in terms of potential damage, adrenaline pills are the best damage accessory until like post dog accessories, and theyre available from the very first boss you kill

and all they do is buff adrenaline a tiny bit

but it could also do fuckall

which is why adrenaline gets ignored

I dont really know why rage gets ignored tho

cant mess that up

[tardy smelt]

The rate at which you get it varies per playstyle

[umbral dew]

in an entire playthrough i rougly get around 5-10 adrenaline procs

[tardy smelt]

And true melee gets tons of it while other classes don't as much

So it's adrenaline lite in that regard

[versed cape]

yeah, if you slimegod away from the boss constantly you wont get it, but get safety in exchange

[tardy smelt]

Indeed :p

[versed cape]

if you want to get rage you will get it 100%

cant say the same about adrenaline

[tardy smelt]

How much rage you get varies, though

[frail mantle]

might be a remnant from before rage was reworked

[umbral dew]

also some accesories are anti adrenaline like bloodflare core and warbanner of the sun

[tardy smelt]

If you know what you're doing you can get one rage per bullet hell phase on scal (roughly)

For example

[umbral dew]

you can roughly proc rage 2-4 times per bossfight

3-5 with heart of darkness

[arctic tapir]

Wait why is the shroomite flamethrower post tagged

What am I missing

[unreal viper]

Planned already

[frail mantle]

1.4.4 suggestion

also planned already yeah

[arctic tapir]

Good

[drowsy plank]

rage gets ignored bc if ur good enough to realize how broken rippers are you just abuse adren instead because 245% > 45%

[umbral dew]

how exactly do you abuse adrenaline

[frosty trellis]

Rippers in general are ignored in testing because it is WILDLY inconsistent with damage output and some weapons scale disproportionately with rippers since some stuff is focused on burst damage and some not

[umbral dew]

i used to gaslight myself that rage somehow increased your damage resistance

[drowsy plank]

keep the boss on a really easy phase to dodge and then pop it and shred it with an overpowered weapon. i mean it's pretty straightforward

lmfao

it's funny because that is also. something adren does.

it even has a sound effect now

[umbral dew]

when you get hit on a full bar right

[drowsy plank]

yeah

it like. halves the damage from that hit or something

[umbral dew]

neat

[versed cape]

so stalling for adrenaline?

[drowsy plank]

yeah + also stress pills funny

[versed cape]

I forgot yeshitters do that

[umbral dew]

how do you stall when the boss automatically goes to another phase after a short time

[versed cape]

scal is the best example

keep one brother alive and enjoy your adrenaline

[tardy smelt]

It used to

[umbral dew]

[tardy smelt]

Pre-rework, being at full rage and getting hit gave you a tiny chance of getting a buff that increased your max hp by 5%

Which lasts for 5 minutes or until you pop rage

[umbral dew]

rage canceling defense damage now that would be funny

[frail mantle]

was that how it worked

i always thought you just got it randomly

[tardy smelt]

Unsure

It was weird as heck though

[half sage]

that's not a thing anymore

that was introduced to counter stalling but it also ended up countering having low dps so it sucked

[short walrus]

Down bad, as the kids say

[frosty trellis]

@queen nova No joke suggestions No suggestions regarding future content that hasn't been added into the game

[queen nova]

Aren’t all suggestions regarding future content, like, definitionally?

[frosty trellis]

No

That means in terms of like suggestions regarding future content we know about coming to calamity or new vanilla updates because they aren't out yet

[ruby plover]

could people not be down bad for like

3 seconds

[frosty trellis]

Such as the lengendary seed or Yharim

[ruby plover]

i hate it here

[queen nova]

I see

[frosty trellis]

Also like, joke suggestion. Like, seriously

And before you say "but I am being serious" that's what they all say

[queen nova]

I feel like that’s drawing the line at what a “serious” suggestion is at being completely dower

[gray nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

[queen nova]

It would certainly be a little irreverent, but I feel like it would be in line with the rest of the mod as a whole

[frosty trellis]

Oh cool iban is here

[queen nova]

And with terraria itself to be quite honest

[frosty trellis]

Tell this man why this is not okay to suggest even when it comes out

[gray nebula]

Calamiyty spriters having to sprite and animate a full "waifu" mechdusa that 0.1% of the player will see to uphold a "tradition" that most spriters actually dont rly care about or find very funny

🥱

[short walrus]

Real

[drowsy plank]

why is this not flagged yet lmao

if you want mechdusa sprites go make them yourself

[vocal grotto]

*Most people

[proud quest]

thoughts? not trying to garner votes i just want your general opinions

[short walrus]

@hollow shell person to be exclaimed (mechdusa suggestion)

[frosty trellis]

I can't actually say anything about Yharon and DoG being easier than terminus SCal because I still haven't fucking beat terminus scal!!!!!

[gray nebula]

trued

[proud quest]

bro someone made a suggestion about making a waifu mechdusa sprite?

thats sad

[proud quest]

oh damn

[gray nebula]

no need to be so rude sauce either zoombife

[umbral dew]

low quality bait is low quality

[hollow shell]

@queen nova Two things

1. Do not post joke suggestions, and Calamity has been trying to move away from the horny "waifu" shit for years now.
2. Do not post suggestions regarding upcoming content which Calamity does not have yet, see the top pin in this channel.

[frosty trellis]

Literally take away the malice bh projectile speed from terminus scal and it should be fine tbh

[drowsy plank]

i think making an actual sprite for mechdusa could be fun but it should be like. a standalone mod. this is not a cal thing at all lmao

[proud quest]

not being mean but if your first thought after seeing the newest meme boss is to make it hot you should take a break from the internet

[queen nova]

Lot of psychoanalysis going on in this terraria mod discord server

[proud quest]

but that would take all of the difficulty out of the boss rush

[drowsy plank]

that is not true at all lmfao

[proud quest]

it seems impossible at first but it only took me like 3 tries

and it is malice difficulty

[frosty trellis]

I've lost track at how many times I died to terminus scal

And it wouldn't take all the difficulty out of boss rush it would just make Terminus SCal way more reasonable

[drowsy plank]

she was already a big enough problem that she was nerfed in other ways comparatively to her normal fight, wasn't she?

[proud quest]

i beat term scal at most 5 tries with the most balanced class but it could be the fargo inf buff things helping me out a lot

[queen nova]

If you’ve decided it’s a joke suggestion, that’s your choice. If Calamity is saying it’s moving away from waifu’s, that’s it’s choice. Respectfully, neither of those are true

[proud quest]

?

[hollow shell]

Okay but you still made a 1.4.4 suggestion which we've explicitly disallowed with no ambiguity

[proud quest]

so you genuinely wanna see a hot mechboss no joke

[drowsy plank]

lmfao i love sugg channel

[queen nova]

I think it would make playing on the legendary seed worthwhile

[proud quest]

im taking a break

oh my god

[hollow shell]

I would recommend you stop talking about this, Wei

[drowsy plank]

cal isnt planning on touching any of the secret seeds to my knowledge

[proud quest]

thats gross

so back to boss rush diff scaling i think it would be cool if the malice bosses were scaled better difficulty wise

ive never died on boss rush at all besides scal tbh

[queen nova]

The drink you mixed will be doubled for you. I hope you become a better person

[hollow shell]

ok

[proud quest]

im baffled

[short walrus]

I think that was a vague religious threat?

[drowsy plank]

[half sage]

like ian said earlier, even with melting boss rush can still take a long time, so testing bosses to make them all as hard as scal would be a massive undertaking, as each boss being made harder would make it take even longer, and dev tier, as well as possibly scal and exo drops, would have to be looked at in order to make it happen. IMO this would take a massive amount of tester work to do and should probably have fallen under the extreme effort don't

[hot zephyr]

nobody wants to touch boss rush currently, while the new bosses could be added I can't imagine any work beyond that being done

[hollow shell]

Definitely not an "extreme effort" Don't moment

Thinking I should reword that one so that people don't apply it where it shouldn't

[arctic tapir]

They should only make the bosses I like as hard as scal

[half sage]

they should just make us fight scal 40 times

[arctic tapir]

Boss rush should end with scal and just infinitely respawn her as an endurance challenge thats a good idea

[marble moat]

just replace all of scals projectiles with aew spawns at some point

[arctic tapir]

Scal shoots out tiny little scal collectible plushies and at the end of boss rush you get a score counter

100 points for each plushy

[proud quest]

i dont think every boss should be scal level

but its hard to feel accomplished when you shred yharon in 3 seconds after fighting supreme calamitas 5 times in a row

i dont even think ive killed normal yharon that fast before

[gray nebula]

"your choice" "neither of those are true"

rover is a cal dev

STRONGEST calamity dev versus WEAKEST random online user telling them they actually know better than the devs whats a valid sugg or not

[hollow shell]

byeah

I already logged the verbal warn, with indication of sealioning / fake reasonability

[proud quest]

whats sealioning

[frosty trellis]

@grim tusk TPE testing you wanted
Holy fire on top, Luminite on bottom

Stuff like Luminite and GSS have iframe issues with TPE because there is so many going in at once that not all of them will register since it's more of a piercing sort of deal, while holy fire is explosive and doesn't cause those issues

(Also holy fire bullets have 3 more base damage so what did you expect)

[grim tusk]

[bright crag]

Don't worry

Burning Sky was killed today

[frosty trellis]

Yeah I heard
So when terror blade going to be nerfed so it's not the most ridiculous thin on DoG for any class?

[bright crag]

As I've said in Nohit
I'm trying to avoid messing with weapons that are affected by melee speed, since they'll have to be rebalanced when the melee speed changes come

But if it's that OP, I can consider it

[frosty trellis]

Wait but burning sky is affected by melee speed no?

[frosty trellis]

Let me redo my testing time with it since shattering is gone

[bright crag]

Burning Sky was an exception
Plus, it didn't seem that OP with melee speed...?

Menacing was just as good as Violent

I will admit I'm not too fond of DoG, due to the current laser walls
But I do need practice and it'd be good to do that while helping balance weapons

Also

Not considering rogue playtesting, I'll soon be dealing almost entirely with Mage

And The Grand Mage Rebirth

[frosty trellis]

I so far mostly test everything but rogue so fair enough lmao

[bright crag]

Rogue got some pretty broad changes recently so I need to help with that

It's my pleasure really, rogue is really fun
And I wanna have a deeper knowledge of the class

[frosty trellis]

Yeah take half the testing time

Terror Blade

[bright crag]

Oh God

Ok that certainly warrants testing

What options does melee have at that tier?

[frosty trellis]

Literally next try

[frosty trellis]

Like other weapons?

[bright crag]

Yeah, good ones

Wanna make sure I'm not taking something too valuable

[frosty trellis]

Soul Edge
Insidious Impalier
Neptunes Bounty

Being the next three good ones

Neptunes Bounty last update was a little under 3 minutes

Pre shattering

Can try these now if you want comparisons

[bright crag]

If you don't mind, please

[frosty trellis]

On it

I love testing shit to I am cool with that

[bright crag]

My concern is just really leaving melee without options

[frosty trellis]

Oh Melee has options

Terror Blade is just the most obscene one

[bright crag]

Because I always see people reccommending Terror Blade and saying that the others are "worthless" basically

The state of melee is really ech at the moment, I'm eager to see it stabilized so I can test freely

Specially since swords and spears are my favorite subclasses

Poor spears...

[radiant meadow]

we need more swords

[frosty trellis]

Sorry I am now malding bc 2% DoG death with neptunes

[frosty trellis]

Here is Neptune's Bounty

[bright crag]

Is it me or is melee being funny

[drowsy plank]

how so

cause melee is always Funny™️

[hollow shell]

(sorry had to do something)
It is a type of trolling, originally defined as repeatedly asking someone for evidence to a claim that they made, being obnoxiously persistent while maintaining an air of reasonability and trying to hold a proper conversation.
Term became generalized to mean any kind of trolling where the troll is attempting to present themselves as reasonable and serious, potentially tricking passerby into thinking that they're in the right (even while they're doing something stupid or blatantly incorrect).

[proud quest]

oh

[frosty trellis]

Insidious Impaler (Could probably get it lower but eh this weapon is weird and the cosmic guardians are annoying so no)

[bright crag]

(Killtime is 4:00)

[frosty trellis]

Soul Edge
Could absolutely get lower because I barely missed skipping the forced laser wall at 20% but eh, lazy

And yes I'm aware it's 4:00

Fully aware

Thanks to a .txt from Atrix I know the times for all bosses

[small timber]

There is also halleys inferno, thought that one probably have to be resistance

[frosty trellis]

Halley's needs res

[small timber]

As it is only good for dog because of piercing

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Septic Skewer could also use a nerf

A large one at that

[small timber]

Halley is a ~2:00

[frosty trellis]

Septic was 2:1x for me

[small timber]

Septic skewer on my previous test was fine, but it varies a lot as soon as you get more damage

[frosty trellis]

I mean I can retry it if you want

[small timber]

This one

Ya can retry

It was awhile ago

I will do the true melee yharon you request later, had to do something else first

[frosty trellis]

That's fine

[drowsy plank]

when we getting the rusty medallion rework

[radiant meadow]

5 years after 1.4.4 tmod releases

[bright crag]

When Amidias Pendant becomes a Cnidrion mount

[frosty trellis]

@small timber 1q3m3w septic skewer

Halley's

[small timber]

yeah last time I tested was somewhat similar to this

septic was very much mediocre (while halley is good) but as soon as you get some more damage septic suddenly shreds

ok doing the yharon now

[frosty trellis]

Tysm xpc!

[frosty trellis]

Might be how I fight DoG for septic

Because I play dog extremely aggressively and also fly straight up and nuke dog during the laser walls so I don't get hit and I can possibly skip the 20% forced laser wall

[small timber]

in my case for all attempts (on all weapons) I fought DoG similarly, which probably made some weapon much stronger than they usually is

namely those weapon that have limited range

[frosty trellis]

I fight dog extremely aggressive regardless of weapon

Stay as close to his head as possible because the fireballs are annoying

[small timber]

ok enforcer, cosmic discharge, polaritz gaze (galaxia); I will edit this message directly after done

[frosty trellis]

I would like ss's for times and your setup but okay-

Wanted to put it in my little doc and credit you and your setup used for the times

Can just give them to me in cmt if that's okay

[small timber]

I will put my setup in text yeah

ok

[drowsy plank]

@karmic pendant what

1. that is not a suggestion
2. that is not how you format a suggestion
3. that breaks so many rules please read the pins

[devout shell]

What did it say lmao

Also, why IS scal followed by other bosses in the boss rush

Shouldnt she be last?

[half sage]

boss rush order was decided by community poll years ago

[versed cape]

^

[half sage]

will probably be changed/updated whenever exos/1.4 bosses get added

[primal cairn]

Is a suggestion asking for additional ways to obtain pearls a good idea? It doesn’t break any of the suggestion guidelines iirc but I just want to double check

[half sage]

should be fine

[primal cairn]

Alright

[short walrus]

What was the char06790 suggestion

[half sage]

new boss suggestion

unformatted, with no reasoning

[short walrus]

Did anyone get a screenshot

For archival purposes

[unborn oriole]

Yeah what did it say

[frail mantle]

it was just four words

[half sage]

^

[unborn oriole]

What words

[half sage]

was just like new boss abyssal hydra or something

[unborn oriole]

"Add a new boss"?

[frail mantle]

Boss Idea: Abyssal Hydra

[short walrus]

Oh

Cringe

If only they (very barely) described it
Mighta been funny to make into an actual non-calamity boss

[unborn oriole]

Maybe an abyss miniboss?

Lmao

Nah but yeah, a hydra boss is something i could see in some mod over there

[short walrus]

There was that one

[primal cairn]

There’s already multiple hydras

One of which is practically an abyssal hydra

[buoyant siren]

I remember two of them from ancient awakened mod

[drowsy plank]

you're breaking the future content sugg by mentioning 1.4.4

i had similar suggs when 1.4 was coming out, that needs to wait until tmod is on that version

but the rest is fine

[primal cairn]

I know the suggestion shouldn’t be themed around 1.4.4 but the galaxy pearl is mostly an afterthought

But I do think it’s worth pointing out

[crude geode]

as long as you just remove the part about galaxy pearl you'll be fine

the sugg can stand on it's own without that

[cobalt pewter]

luck is easily the worst mechanic of Terraria

[drowsy plank]

that's what i said, but rover still asked me to remove my 1.4 mentions lol
it's just safer to do so, your sugg is fine without them

[primal cairn]

Alright fine

[cobalt pewter]

but yes, try refrain from mentioning 1.4.4 stuff, it's not like pearls are any less ass in there

I do think the luck pots could get a massive buff in crafting yield at least

like a whole 30 potions per pink pearl because fuck you

[primal cairn]

Luck is fine imo

It’s just pearls are kinda goofy

[drowsy plank]

i think this line from the wiki proves that luck in vanilla is stupid;
"Luck affects PvP the same way it affects regular enemies."

thankfully, cal just

removes luck affecting damage/defense

[primal cairn]

Idc for luck effecting damage I’m indifferent on calamity removing that

Although it does make luck potions even more useless now

Wait that’s smth I should add to my suggestion actually

[drowsy plank]

luck should affect drops. which it does

dont need to do more

[cobalt pewter]

luck is pretty obnoxious in general, it has a lot of triggers, especially invisible ones, which basically means if you didn't read the wiki when you accidentally killed a ladybug, then you're shrimply fucked

[drowsy plank]

the fact you can get so badly punished by such an obscure system is Dumb

[cobalt pewter]

it just promotes wiki reading even further

[primal cairn]

It’s not “badly punished” I think

There is some punishment but

Not much

It’s barely noticeable

[tardy smelt]

That's so ||in||valid!!

[drowsy plank]

    If the player's luck is 1.0, there is a 100% chance that the probability will become something between 1 in 5 and 1 in 9, leading to an average final probability of approximately 14.91%[12].
    If the player's luck is 0.5, there is a 50% chance that the probability is increased, leading to an average final probability of approximately 12.46%[13].
    If the player's luck is 0.0, the final probability is equal to the base probability, 10%.
    If the player's luck is -0.2, there is a 20% chance that the probability will become something between 1 in 10 and 1 in 19, leading to an average final probability of approximately 9.44%[14].
    If the player's luck is -0.4, there is a 40% chance that the probability will be decreased, leading to an average final probability of approximately 8.88%[15].```

[cobalt pewter]

and the only way for you to remotely know anything about luck is through a hardmode NPC

which is

a giant j

[drowsy plank]

:)))))

[oak sage]

not in calamity

[primal cairn]

It’s only a 1.2% less chance with -0.4 luck

[oak sage]

you use the stat thing from the goblin tinkerer

it tells exact numbers

[cobalt pewter]

stat meter tells luck?

[primal cairn]

You can completely ignore luck and barley notice any difference

[cobalt pewter]

pretty cool then

[short walrus]

and even then he's vague as fuck!

[drowsy plank]

the fact the item can go from +/-50% drop chance because of hidden factors is stupid

[primal cairn]

It’s not really smth you’re meant to keep track of

[short walrus]

then it should impact stuff so much

[cobalt pewter]

I was gonna say that luck lags you but after playing 1.4.4 and tmod for a while, they seemed to address that issue (?)

when I played 1.4.0 it was bruh

[crude geode]

then why have it

[primal cairn]

If you want to get max luck then by all means you can more power to you but you absolutely do not need to

[oak sage]

yeah so its not that big of a deal

[primal cairn]

It does not at all promote wiki reading imo

[cobalt pewter]

fair, it's still dumb in vanilla tho

[oak sage]

its really funny yelling at my friends "please dont do that its bad luck" over stupid specific things. they may think im schizophrenic, but IM TELLING THE TRUTH

[primal cairn]

It’s kinda fun to try to be aware of it especially with how arbitrary it is and it benefits super grindy players

Like the only ppl who will really benefit from and care about the minuscule amount that luck effects the game

Are already ppl who read the wiki constantly

[oak sage]

"no dont place that torch there"

"go touch this ladybug"

"the gnomes bring good luck"

[primal cairn]

And are aware of this stuff

[oak sage]

im very aware

[drowsy plank]

i dont like that

didnt you just say it doesnt encourage wiki reading and then talked about wiki reading

[primal cairn]

But you can just ignore it and be perfectly fine

Yes it doesn’t encourage wiki reading since the only ppl who care about luck are the ppl who already read the wiki

[oak sage]

i love luck in terraria. its a fun way to enhance your luck. other games just do potions and whatnot, terraria does more

[primal cairn]

It’s not meant to be smth you make sure is perfect and is 100% optimal at all times or really should care about

[oak sage]

yeah thats also the fun of it and why telling new people super specific things is so funny

cause i can be completely serious

[distant gyro]

kinda reminds me of prof

[drowsy plank]

it just shouldnt have a negative i think bc it really does punish people for nothing

[oak sage]

not nothing

[tardy geyser]

would this be the max amount of negative luck you can have then? -12% doesnt seem that bad

[oak sage]

ima miss proficiency but i get the change. i liked feeling like i accomplished something

[crude geode]

i liked feeling like i accomplished something

like. playing the game?

[cobalt pewter]

and considering what happened to proficiency

[oak sage]

like if proficiency did LITERALLY nothing but still had the fireworks and the level up id still be happy

[primal cairn]

This is a bit of a generalization but from my experience alot of terraria players are so focused on having the most optimized everything like having the best reforges the best loadout every single potion buff at once so when you introduce a mechanic you aren’t supposed to treat like this then ofc ppl won’t like it

[cobalt pewter]

"The Sense of Pride and Accomplishment"™, brought to you by EA

[primal cairn]

Proficiency is different imo

[oak sage]

very different

[primal cairn]

Since it just rewarded you for Playing The Game

Which is boring

[oak sage]

i never cared about the small stat boosts

[primal cairn]

And also screwed over ppl who multiclass or swap classes mid playthrough although not by much ofc

[oak sage]

thats the real issue yeah

[drowsy plank]

isnt this the same kind of small arbitrary boosts luck provides

[oak sage]

not rlly

[primal cairn]

No because you don’t get them for just Dealing Damage which is smth players will be doing anyways

[oak sage]

smh my smh

[tardy geyser]

that only affects drops tho, atleast in calamity since it removes luck affecting damage

[primal cairn]

It’s also more fun imo due to how intentionally mysterious it is

[oak sage]

^

NOOOO DONT KILL THE LADYBUG YOUVE DOOMED US ALL

[primal cairn]

With proficiency it’s just you use a weapon and you get a stat boost here you know the specific amount of boost you got

Luck is smth that is nice to keep in the back of your mind but is smth the average player will never truly understand

And that helps the world feel more alive imo

It’s nice to have an unconquerable game mechanic

[crude geode]

it really. isn't unconquerable.

[primal cairn]

It’s not yeah but

[oak sage]

well it is conquerable if youre insane

[crude geode]

hence why torch god exists and why they've made changes to the mechanic.

[primal cairn]

Let’s be honest who’s going to memorize all of the equations on the luck page in the wiki

[crude geode]

so that it's less nonsensical

[primal cairn]

It’s more tamable than conquerable

[oak sage]

youd have to carry around ladybugs all the time and dose them out every 30 seconds to maximize your luck

lmao

id love a mod that made a firework and level up notification every exponential of 10 damage in your playthrough

like, itd do absolutely nothing gameplay wise. just a fun thing to look at.

[primal cairn]

In order to have max luck you’d need to have touched a ladybug, have max torch luck, have a pink luck potion, have it be a lantern night, be near a gnome, and have tossed coins into shimmer

It’s very clear luck is NOT smth you’re meant to conquer and have at its max at all time to be maximum optimal

[oak sage]

yeah im never always optimal anyways

[primal cairn]

It’s just a lot of ppl are so used to being maximum optimal with everything (potions, loadouts, reforges, etc) so ofc this is an adjustment to them and probably seems frustrating

[oak sage]

i usually dont use potions in bossfights despite playing death master

[primal cairn]

I don’t either

[oak sage]

just cause, idk

i mean i do

[primal cairn]

Idc too much for reforges either

[oak sage]

but not always

reforges i do go after, at least since the goblin rework

[primal cairn]

I just use whatever stuff looks cool and is fun idc about dps

[oak sage]

but not if its too expensive

[tropic quarry]

Ik calamity doesnt have Armageddon, so i installed the nycro no hit but now how do i turn it on?

[small timber]

not the place to ask it, but go to mod config basically

you should ask that question in #calamity-mod-talk or #help-advice-read-pins

[kind pond]

Hey, just read the patch notes for this new update and it's a great update, I saw you were nerfing a lot of rogue stuff which is good because stealth strike builds post moonlord we're really broken

But while we're nerfing rogue weapons I want to bring up the fantasy talisman

I got it post plant and it was more viable than most weapons for until I beat Deus

It's REALLY good. I suggest either nerfing the damage or making it post golem

[small timber]

balance suggestion is done through pinging tester

(from this list)

[kind pond]

Oh, damn my bad

[small timber]

no, you just have to ping a tester and tell them to test fantasy talisman, no need to make a suggestion

tldr of it, this new rule is added since previously balance suggestion just tend to take really slow to get through voting, accepted and implemented

so basically just streamlined that if you think a weapon need testing you tell the testers directly

[kind pond]

Oh, that's super neat! Thanks

[kind pond]

@grim tusk Fantasy talisman needs testing

[grim tusk]

Ah it seems I’ll have to balance Post-Plant tier sooner than I thought. I knew a lot of stuff there is fucked

[kind pond]

yeah, the weapon carried me HARD, it wasn't until I got the homing weapon from deus I even considered replacing it

[grim tusk]

Talismans and Duststorm are some serious outliers

[drowsy plank]

gss drops real

[cobalt heath]

@hallow epoch wrong channel to ask, would go to #help-advice-read-pins

[hollow idol]

@hallow epoch is this what you’re looking for?

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Community_modifications

[neat linden]

nice "sugg"