suggestions-discussion

[frail mantle]

not really

[crude geode]

Also the title is awful

[small timber]

I do also think the PG one is also lacking reasoning

since it just complain "I cant beat bosses nerf please"

[eternal escarp]

and with 1.4.4 soon enough making them last until death i dont think clicking 4 times is too much of an issue

[versed cape]

Isnt that against the suggestion etiquette anyways?

[small timber]

(and here is for my claim, I have 4 other of these)

[small timber]

kinda, personally I think it is important for bosses that are clunky or unfair to be nerfed/adjusted

but at the same time I think it is equally important to provide prove of the claims

(the suggestion provide none and is just complaining)

[eternal escarp]

i agree with that xpc

like, the claims you linked to

[crude geode]

Some boss suggestions are good (making ravager/aureus actually jump instead of weird float into slam thing) and some are bad (the one in front of us)

Such is the nature of all suggs

Doesn’t make them invalid as a whole

[eternal escarp]

^

if a sugg has good reasoning to back it up

it doesnt usually matter what the topic is

boss sugg arent strictly disallowed basically

• Violent simply being Weapon/Projectile Speed increase instead of Melee, making so that homing weapons were faster and more accurate.
  this is just death of balancing

straight up

[crude geode]

So true

[eternal escarp]

menacing is inheritely a scaling reforge aswell

since its % of damage

[small timber]

violent in minmaxed is way better than Menacing, I dont think it can be buffed without breaking the game (it is already breaking the game)

quick need to stay where it is because of several unique characteristics of movement speed, namely that the higher you have movement speed they exponentially become better

silent I am pretty sure if you ask storm he will tell you like 3 silent 3 menacing is the best way to use stealth rogue, something like that, people are just lacking knowledge on how much silent is optimal I assume

and menacing is still menacing

[eternal escarp]

not a flat damage increase, to the likes of Warding which is a flat defense increase

[frail mantle]

good luck making use speed increases matter on summoner without being ass to code

[eternal escarp]

so im not sure what you meant there

[crude geode]

Oh boy

[eternal escarp]

Quick was meta even without malice im pretty sure

[crude geode]

The last paragraph asks for permanent stealth increases

[eternal escarp]

and i would be inclined to believe quick still is

[small timber]

quick is still good but I dont think you really need it anymore yeah

[eternal escarp]

and that Silent part adds a whole new 2 ideas that could just be their own suggestions

[frail mantle]

i think storm wanted stealth to not be limited to armor set bonuses and a few accessories

[eternal escarp]

i agree

but like

[frail mantle]

but permanent stealth increases probably isn't the way to do it

[eternal escarp]

in this context, its just 3 suggestions packed into 1 little area about stealth

and yeah permanent stealth increases are just weird

[frail mantle]

@undone fractal

[eternal escarp]

also SCal unexhumes aswell

[crude geode]

Mana 2!

[eternal escarp]

im pretty sure

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[undone fractal]

Ohh didnt see it

Sorry

[small timber]

oh yeah the silent part of the suggestion is literally becoming a stealth suggestion

[eternal escarp]

anyway @wind lance id recommend reading from here down

[frail mantle]

don't worry about it

[small timber]

invis potion are losing invisibility but is stealth itself losing invis?

[crude geode]

Did violent just turn into melee damage in tmod btw? I can’t recall what happened with it

[eternal escarp]

isnt that a toggle

cal made melee speed convert to melee damage straight up for a bit

now, i think: only melee weapons that are tagged with meleenospeed damage convert melee speed to damage in a 50% rate

[small timber]

(and also the "reduce volume" part is extremely weird, since 90% of rogue weapon are not loud)

[eternal escarp]

im not sure anymore how it goes though

[crude geode]

Fair

I like how this suggestion blatantly ignores the other reforges

Lucky and Arcane

[eternal escarp]

Arcane

the only reforge that actually needs changes

[crude geode]

Fr

[eternal escarp]

also i think they went offline so

[crude geode]

Ding dong ditch

Classic

[small timber]

but ya tldr the suggestion is really going nowhere I feel

[swift wharf]

lmao arcane was ignored

based???

[small timber]

arcane who

[swift wharf]

shimmer from arcane

[wind lance]

Homing would still be homing, making weapons faster is not required, or they could add benefits and debuffs to reforges for example this but -x% damage

[short walrus]

#suggestions-posting message shouldn't this also be exclaimed (no reasoning and also )

[small timber]

the reason warding scales is because flat defense dont scale with boss damage, thus it need to scale with progression

meanwhile movement speed, violent, silent and menacing, all scale with progression

(if you want to compare, you need to compare Warding's DR scaling with them, which as you notice DR on Warding dont scale for the exact same reason)

[swift wharf]

and why is malice in the suggestion 😭😭😭

[small timber]

then it become a very bad way of introducing tradeoffs on reforges for some reason

then people just use menacing, as simple as that

[wind lance]

How would I prove that melee speed % is less good than damage % ? It just is, also Silent is basically unbalanceable because of how it's made, you can't just give it more stealth because it would break it, in my opinion stealth should just be a different stat entirely but we have to make do with what we have lmao

[crude geode]

Likely up to mods but prolly

[short walrus]

Thought so

[swift wharf]

is that the waifu sugg

[short walrus]

Yeah

[wind lance]

and those some people are veterans at the game, but a beginner like you said it's a bad way of introducing them to the game, not because it's mostly confusing but because it's so meta oriented

[swift wharf]

while I agree with them being transparent would be nice,

stop playing with one hand

[short walrus]

"remove the boobs because they're so distracting" my brother in Christ no one is forcing you to use it

[lethal prism]

Of course I play with one hand

[swift wharf]

[lethal prism]

My dog has a need for headpats

[wind lance]

no other game has a few set of optimal weapons that without it's quite literally almost impossible to progress, most games on the market you can beat with base items, that means it's balanced well and at the end of the day you can use most things for endgame content it's just that you're gonna bleed from the brain and so what? that's my opinion

[small timber]

the tradeoff you said literally made it even more veteran oriented, because people will have to do math on it to calculate if "+6% melee speed -2% melee damage" is better than "+4 % damage)

the current one is straight forward: +4% melee speed , +4% damage, choose one

[small timber]

if you cant then you should not suggest to buff it

if you cant prove something is bad why should they be buffed

what if they are completely reasonable

the current stat of melee speed is that it is already completely bullshit when you minmaxed it

(not my video I just yoink it)

[wind lance]

it just is though because most melee weapons are not true melee and have multiple projectiles, so buffing damage is just better because you increase the damage of the sword itself and it's projectiles, but with faster shooting doesn't necessarily mean you will actually hit your shots

[small timber]

then on weapon that use melee strike it will just be better

melee speed affect the true melee part of the weapon, menacing affect all damage, melee speed is better at exactly true melee but worse on projectiles

I dont see what the problem is

[crude geode]

@frail mantle is it fine if we get an exclaim on mr handyman’s sugg for not having enough reasoning and having a bunch of suggs lumped into one.

[wind lance]

this is easily patchable to remove using all gloves at once, also he doesn't have any movement, literally none, no wings, no boots, and no dash, and by the point you get to have all of these in one accessory it doesn't really matter much, also melee speed just doesn't work on some melee weapons

[small timber]

the more you buff melee speed the closer you can get it to this without sacrificing all form of movement and defense

violent is already better on true melee, for the main reason that it scale damage on a multiplier, damage increase is additive

let violent be better on true melee just as it should be, I see no point in just making it objectively better than menacing in every way just because violent is a melee reforge

[wind lance]

yes and melee is the second worst class besides summoner, but is also the most appealing to newer players

[small timber]

same with silent, it is already good, you dont have to make it mandatory

[crude geode]

God

Worst/best class debate

[wind lance]

silent is not that good honestly

[small timber]

I dont know when is melee considered a bad class (it is often considered the broken/problematic one, beside summoner which is the MOST BROKEN class for balancing)

I very often use silent, normally something like 3 menacing 3 silent which I feel is optimal for stealth rogue

but ya I dont know if this argument should go on since this feels like 2 parallel lines

[wind lance]

honestly me neither, i just feel like that casual players won't minmax, and the video you sent about minmaxing something like the new terra blade is just useless cause at that point you're just going to play ranger because of the more range and chlorophyte so i don't know honestly i thought that these reforges were obsolete and i did mention situational setups like these, but the game is so huge at this point i don't really think it matters all that much, that's just my experience though, i don't try breaking the game in my free time, but again base terraria has unpatchable dupe glitches so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[small timber]

tldr is you dont have to minmax, even if you go menacing over violent/silent in their respective case it is definitely good enough

I just think making one objectively better in every single way takes away from the people who do want to minmax

[wind lance]

then they should nerf warding, i feel like the main issue is warding being just too good for all players, it's just free health since nothing 1 taps you in this game anymore, plus if you're not going for hitless but that is not casual

[small timber]

they already nerfed warding, but ya I do think warding is abit too strong right now

[wind lance]

the other 3 are all situational then why wouldn't you turn off your brain and use warding? so make them not situational, yes this would make them better than menacing, but then just buff menacing with warding's scaling

[small timber]

though it is a combination of many things, also including that defense accessories give abit too much defense right now

[wind lance]

it's strong in the base game aswell

[small timber]

I suggested to buff menacing but after thinking about it this will probably unnecessarily have the potential to break things

since warding is the one that is a bit too strong just nerf warding yeah

[wind lance]

yeah it's supposed to be that defense is good against chip damage and damage reduction is good against big damage but that isn't the case, in my world which i started recently i have 70~ish defense with a quick only mage setup without something like asgard's valor, i could easily have 130 defense pre moonlord which is kinda broken

i guess buffing the other 3 reforges would only be good if calamity was still the big damage mod it used to be but since the nerfs to literally everything which i'm not used to it's not the case anymore

[small timber]

the tldr of why defenses are so massively buffed is because of defense damage, but with defense damage heavily nerfed (they make it regen a lot faster) I do think defense need to be toned down a bit, most notably warding which often contribute to more than your armor + defensive accessory combined

(the devs should assume people are still dodging reasonably, or I feel warding should be balanced in that way)

[wind lance]

yeah it should be closer to dodge chance where it will protect you for some hits, but if you're just running into the enemy then just apply more defense damage but then that would make it so that chip damage gets worse which is what defense was made for

its a difficult problem honestly

[hardy dock]

Menacing is a 24% increase in damage tf

It’s not negligible at all

[versed cape]

Yeah

No idea wtf that guy was talking about

[grim tusk]

Violent and Silent are batshit insane tf this guy on about?

Quick will not be buffed back to where it was, its strong enough already and before it was op af.

[silk comet]

Surely we can have another exo mech boss?
It could just be like a separate boss from the others (ik Hypnos was like a joke boss back then) I do really like how the summoning a different alternative exo mech mechanic worked. I’m not looking for Hypnos but maybe a completely different exo mech based off a different boss (might be original )

[cobalt pewter]

why

[small timber]

we dont need more bosses

we just need to rework old ones to be better

[drowsy plank]

do yall think we might break the record

of the number of bad suggs we get in a row

[surreal field]

we got my dumbass tweakin abt the boomstick

[grim tusk]

To beat is 9

Currently its 4 (5 if you include boomstick sugg as balance suggs go here)

[surreal field]

then whatever tf got suggested after i went to bed

[drowsy plank]

halfway there!

[frosty trellis]

Don't encourage them! You know how easy it is for people to make bad suggestions

[drowsy plank]

true

[lethal prism]

Omw to help

Let me get the squad to come up with one bad idea each

[radiant meadow]

I'll make a specific item suggestion

[frail mantle]

ben no

you were supposed to destroy the sith, not join them

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[proud quest]

is it reasonable for me to suggest making ink bomb drop from all abyss enemies instead of just 2?

or at least increase spawn rate

[grim tusk]

No, cuttlefish have ink, the others dont

[grim tusk]

Maybe

[frosty trellis]

I'm sorry what does a cuttlefish even look like? I spent like 2 hours trying for ink bomb with blood moons and zergs and never found a single one

[grim tusk]

Small squid

[frosty trellis]

But like what

[grim tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cuttlefish-cephalopod-ocean-gif-3518175

[frosty trellis]

I've never seen anything like that in the abyss

Like make it drop from the other squid type enemy because that actually spawns

[swift wharf]

It did drop from giant squids before

I think

[ashen warren]

still does

[ashen warren]

it drops from colassal squids i mean

not giant

[ashen warren]

it does drop from colossal ones

[frosty trellis]

Yeah let me kill a colossal squid with post plant gear because that works

[ashen warren]

you can depending on class

they arent that hard

and for breathing get gills pot and abyssal diving helmet or smth and ur good

[swift wharf]

I said that it used to drop from giant squids

[ashen warren]

mb

i read wrong

[swift wharf]

So there's probably a reason why it was changed

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren That's a Boss Checklist feature isn't it?

[keen zodiac]

yeah

[ashen warren]

nope

calamity bags not included

only vanilla

[hollow shell]

Well yes that's why I asked

Wondering if your suggestion should be asking for compatibility for that Boss Checklist feature

(your reasoning seems phrased like a consistency issue, particularly that first line)

[ashen warren]

Yeah my bad about that I meant that there should be a way to find treasure bags yk

[frosty trellis]

Um calamity bags do??? What?

That's how I find my DoG bag like bruh

[hollow shell]

Photographic evidence or counter-evidence would be welcome

[frosty trellis]

I will once I get the chance

Assuming tMod wants to work today

Nope. Still can't open tMod at all

[hollow shell]

Fuck

[hollow shell]

Hmmmmmmmm

Is there anything in the Checklist configs about it

also that is an impressively to-the-point video thank you

[rotund tree]

just an on/off, no extra

[hollow shell]

I'm wondering if MPG's memories are from a previous version of either mod
and that Calamity does have code for on-map treasure bags with checklist, that don't work anymore?

[drowsy plank]

it used to in an older version

so yes i think it was the move to 1.4 that broke it

might be worth checking any sort of boss checklist compatibility code

i think we all remember the issues it had in the early days of 1.4 tmod lmao

[hollow shell]

I did skim through the Calamity source for Boss Checklist support but couldn't see anything regarding treasure bags

Nor anything regarding Boss Checklist when searching for treasure bags

[frosty trellis]

It probably was from 1.3 calamity (before I started playing DoG super aggressive so I needed the map to see this shit LOL)

[frosty trellis]

@eternal escarp Sea's Searing and Adamantine Particle Accelerator

[inner anvil]

Particle Accelerator is nerfed next update.

[frosty trellis]

Nice

But searing is still very op

[distant gyro]

hate this gray line where it's kinda a rare item but not really

but it also can't be balanced as a normal drop

[frosty trellis]

Just make it less broken

Doesn't need to be a 4 minute time

Can be 3 or 3:30

Just not 2:2x

Also make calclone actually deal damage because she is stupid easy

[inner anvil]

Up to the testers.

[frosty trellis]

@bright crag

[bright crag]

How is it on mechs?

[frosty trellis]

Would need to change my setup. Do I test it treating the mechs as final or first or what?

[bright crag]

Test post 1-mech

[frosty trellis]

Aight so need to redo most of my gear then lmao

But fair

[bright crag]

Thank you!

[frosty trellis]

Np!

This thing is slightly broken lmao

Oh god these are supposed to be 3 minute fights? Jesus

[serene terrace]

i know we’re far from it but my mind is running rn and id like to discuss. instead of just reverting the new Rod of Harmony to deal damage on teleport, instead could we have a debuff applied that stacks on teleport. say a -15 armor debuff or a 10% movement speed debuff for 10-15 seconds?

[swift wharf]

no

[serene terrace]

would you change it? if so how?

[swift wharf]

there is already a plan for it

[serene terrace]

oh really

[swift wharf]

making it shadowspec tier

[frosty trellis]

Yeah it's being moved to post scal and exos

[serene terrace]

ah

makes more sense

[hot zephyr]

yeah

the conversion will just require the exo mechs and scal to die instead of just ML

[drowsy plank]

people coming into chat and proposing the bold new way to balance harmony that is worse than just retiering it and immeditately getting shot down. also it's a future content suggestion which also breaks the rules lmao

[small timber]

Just do a little trolling where rod of harmony is just rod but with no chaos state out of boss fight (and 15s in boss fight), and leave it at postML

Tbh I know calamity is moving towards no boss specific mechanics (eg: disabling recall), but I think sometimes it should still be there just so out of boss fight situation can be benefited more (eg in this case people can use rod of harmony out of boss fight to travel, instead of waiting to post scal/draedon)

[hot zephyr]

meh

just an overcomplicated solution that creates inconsistency, and makes designing new exploratory content (like subwords) really difficult if you can just yeet yourself

in vanilla it is very intentionally postgame and I don't see why Cal should treat it any other way

[cobalt pewter]

nah, I think boss-specific conditions are cringe, even with seemingly harmless situations

[grim tusk]

@ashen warren boss checklist (just make sure to disable some configs iirc progression mode) so that your abyss doesnt flip

[cobalt pewter]

and yes Rod of Harmony is devs' way of telling ya to fuck off post game

Momentum Capacitor do be funny

[hot zephyr]

momentum capacitor is just kinda an enigma

there's more than needs to be done with it

[grim tusk]

Make it not work during boss fights :xd:

[hot zephyr]

kill

[cobalt pewter]

it's reworked only to be murdered short after

to be fair it probably wouldn't even be that significant if it's removed

[hot zephyr]

y'know how some emulators have a "fast button" to speed up the game speed on repetitive content
ideally, it should work like that, specifically for the downtime that comes with early hardmode backtracking

[cobalt pewter]

everything speeds up

[hot zephyr]

more like

"this should only be used outside of boss fights"

[cobalt pewter]

but knowing Terraria, there's a non-zero chance that that kinda thing will crumble the game apart

[small timber]

I think if not disabled (momentum capacitor), at least make it have reduced effectiveness during boss fight? Like instead of 500% MS it is only 60% max

It will still be useful, but at least there is a cap

[hot zephyr]

the issue is creating a condition that
A. isn't just THIS DOES NOT WORK IN FIGHTS
B. doesn't make the thing garbage in non-boss content

[cobalt pewter]

fast forward toggle sounds interesting

[hot zephyr]

i've got a concept on how to change it, but I haven't done anything formal

[cobalt pewter]

you'll be actively discouraged to use it in fights instead of using arbitrary limitations

[hot zephyr]

essentially, turning on the momentum capacitor completely removes all form of movement

you charge it stationary

all your player momentum is saved

you're a fucking stone, you build up your speed, and you burst forward

[cobalt pewter]

that's definitely an improvement over the current concept

[hot zephyr]

while you charge, you have a massive damage vulerability

this takes multiple seconds to charge

momentum capacitor was reworked in an attempt to de-jankify the burden breaker but the penalties from BB never actually made it

[swift wharf]

the slingshot

[hot zephyr]

pretty much

[radiant meadow]

do vanilla treasure bags show up on the map?

[willow widget]

yea

[short walrus]

Pretty sure that's a mod

[hot zephyr]

it's a mod

[willow widget]

is it?

damn

[short walrus]

Do the fragments show up?

[willow widget]

which is it?

and yes

[tardy geyser]

boss checklist

[willow widget]

OOOOH

[radiant meadow]

fragments is definitely a mod

[willow widget]

never knew it did that

[grave zinc]

@earnest jewel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make DoG Teleport visually a little better]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[willow widget]

i won't lie

[radiant meadow]

I'll open up vanilla just to make sure though

[grave zinc]

@lyric path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make acidwood trees spawn more often]

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[radiant meadow]

were pets on the character select screen a labor of love thing?

[grave zinc]

@copper coyote - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a terrarium for a bloodworm]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[radiant meadow]

this is freaking me out lol

[tardy geyser]

yea

[grave zinc]

@orchid wing - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[add a way to find the biome shrines]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[radiant meadow]

randomly got 2 achievements on world load epicly

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Update Omega Blue's Tentacles to Use More Modern DrawCode]

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[Make Altar of the accursed 5 blocks in width rather than 4 blocks (And, by defualt, make the sprite reflect that please)]

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[short walrus]

Good batch

[radiant meadow]

yeah they don't appear on the map in vanilla

@ashen warren I think you should extend it to include all treasure bags, although I believe the feature is already added by Boss checklist which is a very popular mod

[hot zephyr]

legend has it that in prior versions, boss checklist and calamity had compatibility with that feature

but it was lost somewhere

on one side's end

[radiant meadow]

oh

is that the problem?

I can look into it if that's the problen

there's a possibility that boss checklist is checking for the BossBag variable on npcs

which Calamity removed because they've been marked as obsolete by tmodloader

oh right I updated some treasure bag code for next update, so they might work next update

yeah

it works next update

[cobalt pewter]

real

[hollow shell]

@barren robin Do not post suggestions that are references just for the sake of being a reference
See pins, the Don'ts Doc

[barren robin]

but theres a crack shot gun related to the marksman from ultrakill

[cobalt pewter]

cope harder

[crude geode]

@ashen warren see above (it working next update)

[hollow shell]

This is an unfortunate reality about the suggestions channels
The devs can implement references all they like, but members of the public are not allowed to officially suggest new references.

(And there's a reason for that, it's because we got so many god damn reference suggestions in the past before we disallowed them)

(People thought that the representation alone was sufficient enough reasoning for something to be added)

[robust lava]

Please add the entirety of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance

[hollow shell]

There's already a mod for that

'launch MGR:R when you get hit'

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2819797586

[barren robin]

this is so sad

[swift wharf]

@ashen warren probably should look at this

[crude geode]

Bruh @swift wharf

[swift wharf]

in fucking bliqd

fmjshabybgjfkfjf

ummmm pretend I'm the suggestion bot

[golden kayak]

Just make a slime gun upgrade for flamethrowers that would apply both oil and slime for mid hardmode; low damage support weapon

Super unique idea

[neat linden]

apply oiled and slimed on an enemy vulnerable to heat debuffs

then proceed to throw one (1) stealth Mythril Knife

[ashen warren]

Thanks yo

[steel raptor]

Brain of confusion is terrible

120 second dodge cooldown is way too long for pre hardmode bosses considering they are pretty quick fights

[distant gyro]

dodges are terrible to balance

120 second is practically useless for phm

but make that 15 or something and it'll be endgame meta

[ruby plover]

I think at least giving its on-dodge crit chance thing more relevance would be good

Cos atm it’s…. Basically non existent

Given it happens every 2 minutes

[steel raptor]

the upgrades also doesn’t inherit the dodge

[distant gyro]

dodges really don't need upgrades

they exponentially scale power on their own

[ruby plover]

Mayhaps moving the crit chance buff to a chance-on-hit would be nice

[small timber]

what if give dodges a power cap

like brain of confusion can only dodge/ignore up to max 200 damage (and damage after that still deal damage to you)

and of course late game ones like evolution which have exceptionally long cooldown have no cap just like right now

this also solve counter scarf (have the potential to) be absolutely stupid against like scal even in its current state

[steel raptor]

I think that’s a good idea

[ruby plover]

Huh, I kinda like that idea

[steel raptor]

considering that later in the game you take more damage from hits

[ruby plover]

That would definitely make dodges scale much better throughout the game

[steel raptor]

give it like a 75 second cooldown but it can only soak up to 100 damage maybe? It’s gonna require some testing to figure out the right numbers

[small timber]

considering the state of rover drive it maybe appropriate even

(though that one is also exceptionally overpowered under the right circumstances)

[small timber]

@winter carbon that is literally infernum

we dont need cal to add that

and no, we dont need dps check in the game

revengeance used to make bosses phase faster if you dont kill them fast enough (too low dps), everyone HATES it, because it basically just make challenge run impossible

and benefit literally no one

[winter carbon]

ohh, okay, didn’t know

my bad

[drowsy plank]

before anyone gets mad at even suggesting this, i would like to point out the vanilla has technically implemented this in 1.4.4 with the removal of dodges working on "instant kill" attacks, so there IS, suprisingly, an actual prescedent for this

which is kinda funny

i think this is a pretty solid idea tbh so

hopefully you post it

also the bag sugg chain just went from 4 to 7. truly incredible. just 3 more to top 9.

[rotund tree]

quick! make a good suggestion!

[small timber]

I think this will be the kind of suggestion that gets like, 30 votes

but ya if you want I can post it

though I think it is more probable to just ping testers or something, since I am 100% sure this have no chance through voting

(since dodge and CDs do are an issue right now)

[marble moat]

does it open multiple windows if you get hit multiple times

[fossil finch]

it uses steam iirc, so no

(because steam doesn't allow you to open multiple windows of the same ga

[cobalt pewter]

I'm fairly sure how it works is that it just runs any .exe if you name it exactly "METAL GEAR RISING: REVENGEANCE.exe" and the exe is in the same folder as the mod (?)

[marble moat]

unfortunate

[drowsy plank]

that's fair tbh, but if they did get caps at least then you could shorten the cooldowns, so i imagine some people might vote for it at least

[ashen warren]

does rift reeler change hotline fishing hook in anyway besides sprite

[long ridge]

Have you ever used it?

Because yes, it does

It even states what it does in the tooltip

[drowsy plank]

on the topic of fishing rods
oh my god why does vanilla hate giving you any seriously

typically most people start with fisher of souls/fleshcatcher and oh my god they're so bad

cal helps by adding some actually decent craftable ones but god for such a bad mechanic they really do not want to give you any slack in trying to actually use it

[cobalt pewter]

fishing bad moment

calamity fishing rework in 2069

(scarab pole could be a secondary chest loot)

[drowsy plank]

"Adding Scarab Rod as secondary loot to Desert chests..."

[cobalt pewter]

oh whoops

[drowsy plank]

lol

it is a good idea! which is why i already included it lmaooooo

[half sage]

finally, a good suggestion

we are saved from the streak

[distant gyro]

w

[fossil finch]

i think this unironically renders terraria but without items with the letter e possible

[distant gyro]

trraria

[drowsy plank]

clearly i need to include this in the suggestion gimme a secon-

but that is very funny

[bright crag]

Nvm

[frosty trellis]

?

[bright crag]

I was gonna say that it would be good secondary loot until I saw the comments above

[fossil finch]

W

Har

I was joking

Lo

[frosty trellis]

Ye

[drowsy plank]

it's very funny how much the desert has powercrept basically every other biome to the point where a main chest drop in the jungle can be considered a viable secondary chest loot for the desert

[frosty trellis]

It is and yet I still don't explore the underground desert and haven't paid the price yet!

[drowsy plank]

lmfaooooo

[frosty trellis]

I'll stick to not dying to electrified 80 times in the first 3 hours of my pt

[drowsy plank]

that's reminding me of how i wanted to put thunder zapper into magnetic meltdown instead of spectre staff

[bright crag]

Why did both vanilla and Calamity arrive at the conclusion that the Desert needed electricity-themed additions

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bright crag]

Is it because of sand's electrostatic potential or smth

[drowsy plank]

that's my best guess

plus where else could you really put those kinds of item?

[bright crag]

Sky ig

Or Ocean if you tie it to Jellyfishes

[lethal prism]

Sand yellow

[bright crag]

Since Terraria jellyfishes use actual electricity, as opposed to irl jellyfishes using toxins

[lethal prism]

Yellow funny element color

[drowsy plank]

i still hope someone implements an item based on desert glass (created from lightning superheating sand)

also that's true, sky or ocean would've worked too

but i think putting it in the desert is more interesting

cause u just wouldnt normally expect it

[fossil finch]

electric sand is seen in every gmae ever wake up

[drowsy plank]

what other game has this

[fossil finch]

namely about every zelda game ver made

[drowsy plank]

lmao the only zelda game i ever really played was windwaker

so i guess that explains why i dont know that

[severe burrow]

Electricity and sand going together is pretty common, but desert glass is rarely seen or even talked about.

[versed cape]

vanilla hates you period

[drowsy plank]

very true

playing legendary seed has taught me this

[tardy smelt]

I don't think that game had any deserts to begin with

[agile solstice]

🔥

[drowsy plank]

skill issue

just dont get telefragged 4head

but fr i have

no idea what ur talking about

@teal marlin ignoring that it's improperly formatted, can you get a video of what exactly is happening that you're having an issue with? what mode are you playing in?

[teal marlin]

oop, my bad

alright, reformatted

i don't have the software to get a clip, but try summoning it while running to the left

sometimes, it'll spawn as normal

but sometimes, it'll intercept you

in general, I feel like having every boss not deal contact damage for the first, say, three seconds would help

especially with golem type bosses like aureus and ravager

[inner anvil]

Fab had planned to fix this, sure.

[drowsy plank]

ive literally done this and had no such issue. are you flying or something? i guess i was in death but if you're in rev ig it could be a problem since the AI is a bit schizo in that mode, but either way, just staying on the ground or even staying still usually makes it passive enough to not be an issue, for me at least

[teal marlin]

i was on death, and running on the ground when i spawned it

the problem lies in the fact that it seems to somehow be able to spawn in front of you on occasion

[drowsy plank]

"front" is kinda subjective, but fr it's using crawltipede AI so just try like. not moving for a bit and letting it unwind. i usually use big map display so i always know where the head is, and even when im straight up chasing him ive never had this problem lmao

[inner anvil]

.

[drowsy plank]

i know im still just trying to understand what the problem even was, but yeah ig problem solved lol

[inner anvil]

DoG can instakill (Not instakill you, but getting hit by the head is getting hit by the head) you as soon as he spawns if you're caught in a bad position.
There's nothing deeper than that.

[drowsy plank]

fair enough

[frosty trellis]

Even in Rev I've never had that issue

And I've done a fair amount of rev dog testing

[versed cape]

it happens if you move around while summoning dog

as long as you stand still and are reactive enough to dash out of the way, such hits at the beginning should be impossible

[bright crag]

I admire your interest and endurance

[drowsy plank]

i think my favorite thing about the seed is the fact ive killed QB twice but cannot do anything more than kill the creepers on BoC and barely even hurt EoW

truly the seed of all time

[soft quest]

I wanna know people's thoughts on this opinion. Does anyone else dislike the ability to buy potions, or making potions with blood orbs? I just think both are an indirect lazy band-aid fix to a problem and neither of them try to solve the root of the actual problem to begin with. That problem being, holy fuck alchemy, fishing, and vanilla potion making are so so un-worth it, boring, and extremely time consuming a tedious. Instead of fixing this blood orbs and potion buying make potion crafting obsolete all together, which I'm not sure I'm a fan of. I wish the alchemy and fishing systems were greatly improved to make potion making actually bearable and even fun. As it stands, late game you burn through potions stupidly fast, and every time you consume 30 potions, well you have to go all across the world, getting fish from every biome and bottles and slow growing plants in an unengaging planter box, easily an hour of time for like an hour of gameplay attempts. It doesn't matter if you simply just "increase the yield of crafting" because it still doesn't solve the issue of alchemy being boring as hell.

[swift wharf]

yes

to both

[frosty trellis]

Yes absolutely

Like, both systems are bad regardless and I have qol shit to make it less painful with stuff like Fargo's Mutant so I have perma buffs and shit

[swift wharf]

both?

there are 4

[frosty trellis]

4?

[swift wharf]

[frosty trellis]

I see three lol

Potion buying, crafting them normally, blood orbs

[swift wharf]

I'd consider DS/Levi dropping fishing gear as another bandaid fix

[soft quest]

I install alch npc just so i can use the alchemist token, which I think is very balanced imo

[frosty trellis]

Was talking about both of the systems calamity added

[frosty trellis]

Alch charm is so nice tbf

And alchlite just saves so much damned time with potions especially greater luck

No, I don't want to go find thirty+ fucking ladybugs and fish for several days

[swift wharf]

both blood orbs and main planetoid seed bags did not work

so potion shops were added

[soft quest]

agree

[frosty trellis]

And even potion shops don't get all the modded stuff

Like Yharim's stims which are a pain to craft

Like, if there was some way to maybe automate planting and fishing or have some more exciting and more involved but not braindead way to acquire the normal materials it would be much better

[cobalt pewter]

I've already suggested increasing potion yields on craft but it didn't take off

:clueless

of course it doesn't solve the issue entirely

but even then it's still a better solution than whatever we have on cal atm

[frosty trellis]

Find some way to automate planting and fishing

[cobalt pewter]

fishing is just inherently bad and I'm tired of telling everyone that it is

[soft quest]

1. I wish we had fish nets you could deploy in a biome and stock with bait, catching no crates but catching potion and food fish, that or fish hatcheries which would need 2 of a potion fish and would slowly accumulate potion fish, could be upgraded throughout game. Maybe occasionally they request some food or a special quest item like with stardew's fish ponds

2. I wish potions gave you back bottles on consumption, just because.

3. I wish planter boxes could be automatable, maybe not early game but as the game goes on you can use draedon tech to make cool growbeds which would consume water.

4. I wish potions had an independent storage and had 3 drinks you could sip out of each, greatly increasing the lifespan of a stack of potions.

[frosty trellis]

Fish nets are a cool idea
The automatic through Draedon shit would make a ton of sense since you get planter boxes in one of his labs anyways

[soft quest]

unfortunatley such a suggestion is much to big to suggest

but damn it would fit so well with the biome update

[drowsy plank]

fishing and planting r
not too enjoyable
but there's no way to fix this without immense effort on the dev team's part so we get buying and blood orbs

and honestly im fine with it unless the team actually implements some way to make these things fun

cause they just

aren't

and removing them would just leave a gaping hole in the game atm

[hot zephyr]

i could see cal's mini alch NPC dying, at least one day

but there's so many issues surrounding the game's economy at this point that need to be addressed first

[minor shell]

would scal having an slight attack delay after invincible phases (brothers and all bhs; not sepulcher) be possible at the very least

[short walrus]

that's already been suggested and accepted iirc

[minor shell]

oh word?

[cobalt pewter]

yeah this is the least cal can do at least

that in particular was so odd

[hot zephyr]

what can, (and most likely will) be done in the short term though is adding a config for potion selling

it's a big enough mechanic to deserve a config

[safe oasis]

sure it's big but why would it need a config

just don't buy potions if you don't want to lma

[hot zephyr]

mod compatibility

not only would you double up on potion selling if you had a mod like AlchNPC, there's a finite amount of shop slots in NPC inventories anyway

[safe oasis]

this is true

i forgot about the npc inventory cap

[marble moat]

i mean there's mods that fix that

[hot zephyr]

there's a lot of mods that fix a lot of things

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren that seems more like a bug

#bugs-read-pins

[small timber]

@mystic ingot the devs have the intent to move weapon proficiency towards a cosmetic thing

and your idea will further reinforce limiting playthrough to a class, by making sure people cannot even acquire the weapon of other class that they do not have proficiency at

[drowsy plank]

lmao

what happens if ur prof in multiple classes too

how would that work logistically

[small timber]

calamity treasure bag already use independent drop rates iirc

like each items just have their own chances to drop, instead of vanilla where they share drop chance and only like 1/2 can drop at a time

[drowsy plank]

well that's a plus

[small timber]

so effectively probably something like this:

eg: if duke fishron drop bubble gun (mage) = 25%, tsunami (ranger) = 25%, you have lvl 10 ranger prof and lvl 5 mage prof, it become like bubble gun = 30% and tsunami = 35%

but ya tldr proficiency is becoming cosmetic anyway

[drowsy plank]

not the worst idea to just tie drop buffs into it

[small timber]

(or at least the devs seem to have no intent to make it more relevant)

[hot zephyr]

Proficiency is becoming

[drowsy plank]

idk if this would be "making it more relevant", it just seems kind of QoL, but yeah who knows lol

[crude geode]

so true

[hot zephyr]

Nonexisty

[slate turtle]

nice

[drowsy plank]

[crude geode]

wonderful

[small timber]

oh no

now I cant play the game after losing 6% MS from lvl 15 ranger proficiency on my summoner

[frosty trellis]

[hot zephyr]

not the place I'd ever want to reveal it, nor really my place but I'd rather people get over it now than propagate it becoming cosmetic

[drowsy plank]

so i suppose these two should

probably both get flagged then

lmfao

would the DoG sugg also be flagged considering it's already been addressed as well?

[crude geode]

why not?

[hot zephyr]

don't think anyone else involved with cal has talked about prof dying

[small timber]

yeah, last time I heard about it was everyone want it dead but fab himself still want to keep it

(which is why I thought it is more likely to become cosmetic than deleted)

[crude geode]

last I heard was iban turning it cosmetic

byeah getting deleted is neat

[cobalt pewter]

not sure if what iban said was a confirmation, but at least he definitely prefers it being cosmetic

[hot zephyr]

unrelated

but i remember the "proficiency influences treasure bags" being sent a loooooong time ago

and getting denied

[cobalt pewter]

huh

[hot zephyr]

if it's even possible it'd be a metric pain in the ass

[small timber]

yeah a while ago

(though I think at that time proficiency had more impact? not sure dont remember)

[cobalt pewter]

me when wall of text

(it still gets denied anyway)

:clueless:

[hot zephyr]

"Make bosses/treasure bags more likely to drop weapons belonging to the player's class (based on highest Proficiency, or the currently-held weapon, or otherwise)."

[cobalt pewter]

I think the nerfs to proficiency was fairly recent yes

or at least I think so

[hot zephyr]

got universally rejected

[cobalt pewter]

death

also I like the screenshot with the last sugg

modding has gona crayzay indeed

[frosty trellis]

Lmaoooooo

[cobalt pewter]

even vanilla has been stepping up recently in terms of visual flair and QoL

[hot zephyr]

vanilla stepping up by releasing a good update

fr though 1.4.4 might be my favorite vanilla update

even in spite of fart kart

[cobalt pewter]

1.4.4 is definitely great

it's not perfect but it's great

[hot zephyr]

i like uncrafting

[cobalt pewter]

hell even I can't bring myself to despising the game despite poo blocks existing

[hot zephyr]

and broadswords no longer suck

poo blocks unfortunately are actually
Good

[cobalt pewter]

because good outweight the bad and the poo blocks actually has a good purpose

[hot zephyr]

1.4.4 doesn't add stupid progression shit that needs to be balanced around while touching up the game's weaker areas
it's what 1.4 should've been

also because when cal tweaks the sword reworks they're gonna be epic

[small timber]

calamity: we are trying to remove inconsistency in the game, such as by telling you exactly the condition of boss enrage, summon item fix like rune of kos and dynamic tooltip, and also remove effect that make boss only effect that disables certain mechanic in the game like recall

shimmer:

[cobalt pewter]

I'm sure more vanilla weapons could do such touch-up for visuals but I think they're just gonna leave it at the mods for the smaller stuff

[hot zephyr]

luckily, for the most part shimmer is pretty self explanatory

there's some functionality that I WOULD like tho

namely, swapping things like evil mimic loot

[small timber]

decrafting dont work for items that can be converted to ancient version right?

[distant gyro]

poo blocks were somehow better than slime balloon

[small timber]

since they just swap each other

[distant gyro]

the biggest twist of all time

[cobalt pewter]

TRUE

that's actually baffling to think about

[hot zephyr]

yeah but there's so few of those it doesn't matter that much

[small timber]

and decrafting is locked behind moon lord or something

[cobalt pewter]

decrafting is locked to post ML?

[hot zephyr]

no you goober

it's pre boss

[distant gyro]

that's boober

[hot zephyr]

under the jungle-side ocean there's always a pool of shimmer

[cobalt pewter]

the only ones post game are just terraformer and harmony I thought

[small timber]

I heard others said it, but ya I didnt have a world to fact check it

[distant gyro]

decrafting accessibility early on is good

yeah

just terraformer and harmony

[distant gyro]

and i guess for shimmering pml shit, you can shimmer luminite into chloro idk

[cobalt pewter]

I think it's a bit odd that the bucket itself is post game considering the liquid exists

if it's like more spreadable once you found the aether biome it could be neat

[distant gyro]

if you needed that for some reason

[hot zephyr]

terraformer, harmony, and swapping between bottomless water/shimmer buckets

[cobalt pewter]

(also I need aether biome visuals because GOD that's stunning)

[hot zephyr]

aether biome is funny because you can pump it

[cobalt pewter]

(there's a monolith I think so that's good)

not sure if that actually changes the blocks to be like the ones in aether

[drowsy plank]

wait fr? that's confirmed?

[hot zephyr]

i'll probably be making a list of useful cal functionality to add to shimmer

[drowsy plank]

amazing

[cobalt pewter]

there could be a clearer indicative for boss-locked transformations tho

[small timber]

throw yharon soul fragment into it to teleport to dragon ayerie (or whatever the post-Yharon biome will be called)

[cobalt pewter]

like just even popping up the boss icon, semi translucent would help a ton)

[drowsy plank]

good idea tbh

sugg it when tmod ports

[cobalt pewter]

the subworld for dog (?) could be filled with shimmer because the visuals resemble cosmilite stuff

[soft quest]

That was actually a great suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

you can bet your ass I will

that and making remix hell the default hell on cal will be the first 2 suggs I make once tmod ports to 1.4.4

[hot zephyr]

nah

it would overcomplicate loot bag code, even if it's possible

vs just

fight the boss again lol

especially now you have infinite summons anyways

[frosty trellis]

@bright crag Weather Pain
Also for the record I didn't even split one of the slimes yet

[drowsy plank]

literally none of deerclops drops are worth using it's so funny

[frosty trellis]

Like pew-matic is at least like halfway decent with a 2:45

But lucy is a tool

And the sentry is bad by vanilla standards much less calamity

[short walrus]

at least chester is cool

[frosty trellis]

Chester is cool but money troph exists and takes up a buff slot

[short walrus]

buff slots were doubled, so its not a problem anymore (at least until cal comes to 1.4.4)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

Also I am about to sound stupid but yesterday I learned there are debuff slots and I wasn't aware of that and I feel stupid because all of the testing I did I just assumed debuffs factored into the normal buff slot cap

[short walrus]

wait what

WHAT

[frosty trellis]

Yeah apparently

[short walrus]

YOU'RE TELLING ME I CUT DOWN ON THE POTIONS I USED SO THE DEBUFFS DIDN'T OVERRIDE THEM

FOR NOTHING

[frosty trellis]

Yeah apparently

[short walrus]

fuck :(

[safe oasis]

i think you might be confusing the player buff cap with the enemy debuff cap

[frosty trellis]

No...?

[safe oasis]

i am almost certain they take up the same slots unless a recent update changed that

[frosty trellis]

Because I could get another few buffs and the unlimited buff slots mod is disabled

[safe oasis]

i vividly remember my buff slots spazzing out every time i get a debuff idkwym

[frosty trellis]

While still having alcohol poisoning enabled

Was literally just doing this earlier lol

[livid kite]

sorry brother

read it and weep 😭

[gray nebula]

KILL YOURSELF§!!!

wait thats not murasama

shut the fucku p

[livid kite]

its

small murasama

[gray nebula]

stupid bitch

👊

[livid kite]

???

[gray nebula]

i meant MGR murasama

like the funny omg jetstream sam

[livid kite]

im not stupid youre the one literally not doing fufo concept art rn

[gray nebula]

this is just a cool sword

😭 FUCK you

uncalled for

[inner anvil]

L.

[livid kite]

yeah bithc thats what i thought

[small timber]

I think they infact have like 2

[livid kite]

shouldnt u be busy generating 600 effect circles for sealow 😭

[gray nebula]

😭

[drowsy plank]

i love dev on dev violence

[livid kite]

i could kill this guy

[safe oasis]

stars above is not slr,.,,.

[livid kite]

too true

[drowsy plank]

stars above is a mass hallucination

[gray nebula]

egshels versus me fighting is just a scam we run together to make people bid higher for each team

competition sells as they say

, or something

[gray nebula]

also what the fuck

dont say that

i will always be agaisnt cosmectic prof cuz its a dumb bandaid

[crude geode]

I see

Might have been someone else then

Either way hardly matters

[hot zephyr]

@livid kite do you have any snails

[golden tulip]

what the hell

[hot zephyr]

that's not a snail

[devout shell]

nahhh she died like a character in lego star wars

[marble moat]

we arent allowed to make suggestions on 1.4.4 content right

because shimmer invincibility is kinda goofy and would be kinda goofy if you could just cheese any calamity boss by going summoner and teleport looping invincibility

[crude geode]

You are not

[golden tulip]

i saw fargos was planning to just stop the shimmer effect once a boss is summoned

how does vanilla handle it?

[hot zephyr]

the best solution would be to not give a fuck

[golden tulip]

honestly true

with how calamity has been going back on anticheese methods

[hot zephyr]

if people want to ruin their enjoyment of the game by cheesing shit for an "easy" W, well

that're left without the satisfaction anyways

it's not like people are any more likely to make some contraption with the finite shimmer in the world (in pre ml) than just making a minecart line or hoik tech

[golden tulip]

yea

and its a sandbox game so i think people should be allowed to do that

that said, how does shimmer interact with the temple

[hot zephyr]

the same way hoiks do

[golden tulip]

dang

they basically just made an easier accessible hoik

[crude geode]

Can’t you get infinite shimmer pre-ml if you get bottomless water bucket?

[hot zephyr]

if you want to pump a line of shimmer all the way to the temple to do what a hoik does but worse, cool ig?

[hot zephyr]

no

it's a locked recipe

[crude geode]

Wacky

[hot zephyr]

have to beat ML to exchange

[crude geode]

Makes sense

[hot zephyr]

shimmer is too cool of an addition to ruin by adding weird stipulations

[crude geode]

Anyways yeah I agree it seems kinda. silly with how we’re handling anti cheese methods going forward to try to disable this

Yeah, big agree

[small timber]

with how you just permanently falling anyway I dont think you can use it in normal boss fight

unless you specifically set it up

[umbral dew]

summoner or accesories

[hot zephyr]

there's some wacky setup but it's basically just a teleporter cheese with extra steps

[small timber]

so at best it will be like appear in mrjfl no accessory challenge, and thats about it

[hot zephyr]

calamity will gradually roll back all the funky "doesn't work when bosses are active" because they never really stopped anyone anyways

[small timber]

I think nurse is still the big one

death at least

[golden tulip]

changing difficulty?

[hot zephyr]

not difficulty because that'd end up being more jank

[small timber]

which is why I thought doesn't work when bosses are active effect should only be on death, but in every other case they are laxed

[short walrus]

wait

[hot zephyr]

but yeah, devil's advocate, a bit will stay

[short walrus]

now that the bosses kill spawns by default (take up a bunch of npc slots) that effect will be removed from boss effects right

[crude geode]

They don’t tho

[golden tulip]

that was said in the changelogs

for some of the bosses anyway

[crude geode]

Pretty sure it’s most, not all

[short walrus]

hm

good to know

[crude geode]

Which can still lead to random wyverns during moon lord

[small timber]

ya the vanilla one is like, pretty useless tbh

[hot zephyr]

boss effects won't die

the vanilla improvements changed almost nothing

[small timber]

lihzhard's flying serpent is still the hardest part of golem fight

[hot zephyr]

try fighting the mechs on a remix world without those cursed flame fuckers constantly spawning

but things like momentum capacitor won't just be magically shut off or neutered in fights

the end goal being that you're put under a similar ruleset both in and outside of fights

[short walrus]

just need to make the enemies not braindead

[crude geode]

It’s almost like cal is trying to shift away from a boss rush mindset

[short walrus]

no way!

[hot zephyr]

trying to shift away from the HARDEST mod in TERRARIA (red circle) thumbnail design

[distant gyro]

despite this people can never get away from the impression

[hot zephyr]

of course not

but we can try

2.0 was a pretty big time for introspection seeing as development was pretty much locked to a standstill (in terms of new content, don't wanna discredit the kings 👑 smashing errors)

[crude geode]

Is 1.4.4 going to also cause that problem

[hot zephyr]

2.0.1.002 is gonna have a lot of cool small epic tweaks that'll be enjoyable

[frail mantle]

not to the same extent

[hot zephyr]

probably but it's a long ways out

[golden tulip]

new sfx!

[hot zephyr]

nah I just like new rogue

[golden tulip]

also true

[crude geode]

Glad to see everyone on the same page

[hot zephyr]

it's gonna be a pretty unbalanced clusterfuck (gitgud eats good for weeks) but the core mechanic of stealth is a lot more fun

[golden tulip]

you mean it will be

perfectly balanced?

[frail mantle]

you will become ash

[golden tulip]

[hot zephyr]

idrc about how balanced it is, it's fun

[crude geode]

Finally

Based testers

[golden tulip]

alpha testers

[hot zephyr]

people will complain about something being CRAZY OVERPOWERED when it's like 3 seconds above kill time idc anymore I just like cool shit

[distant gyro]

gitgud on his way to farm new stealth videos

[short walrus]

hate those words

hate those words

[hot zephyr]

remixed unholy trident do kinda slap though and I wish it was like that in the base game

[umbral dew]

gitgud muramasa rubby and duke fishron when calamity shows a spoiler or updates

https://tenor.com/view/rich-cash-lots-of-money-all-the-moneys-cash-pile-gif-11801444

[inner anvil]

Cal Testers:

You can't tell me I'm 100% wrong.

[hot zephyr]

truth is, there will never be enough testers to catch every broken weapon, especially when there's big overarching changes that effect literally entire classes

oh you're absolutely right, we do it too

I just don't get paid ad revenue

[inner anvil]

Should we though?

[cobalt pewter]

fun

all the Terraria YouTubers will have a feast for

3 months at least?

[umbral dew]

saying that fanart of scal will be in the mod is also a fun one

[cobalt pewter]

I think it's a good time to completely clean my terraria traces in my YouTube

[hot zephyr]

there's still a few baseline changes I'd like for stealth that will have to wait for future updates but for now I'm satisfied

[cobalt pewter]

even tho 1.4.4 is great

[hot zephyr]

feedza you are finally free from invis botions...

[inner anvil]

Summoner when.

[cobalt pewter]

yoooooo

I can finally drip out

[hot zephyr]

shadow potions are pre boss .. you can fish then up on the surface at night..

[cobalt pewter]

surface

real

[hot zephyr]

no more wacky Rogue is 40% better in Solar Eclipses....

[inner anvil]

Yay!

[cobalt pewter]

conditional bonuses are now unreal (the ranged weapon prefix)

actually speaking of conditional bonuses

will photo potion die in that regard

[hot zephyr]

even alluring bait for the weird solar eclipse shit standardized

[inner anvil]

Ok, but real shit, when summoner glowup as much as rogue.

[hot zephyr]

nah photo is still live

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

[hot zephyr]

[crude geode]

Fr, rogue and melee get so much glowup

[inner anvil]

Oh yeah, next update is the glowup.

[distant gyro]

summoner's not gonna get any if it's not making it!

[short walrus]

range glowup when

[distant gyro]

never

[short walrus]

real

[distant gyro]

ranger oppressed

[cobalt pewter]

ranger is indeed gamer

(eternally oppressed)

[inner anvil]

Ranger doesn't deserve it dude.

[hot zephyr]

you get god slayer bullets, as a treat

[short walrus]

i am screenshotting this as we speak (you will be on the youtube frontpages in seconds)

[candid grove]

rangers are the most oppressed subset of gamers (the most oppressed group)

[umbral dew]

ranger glory kills when?

[inner anvil]

Hi mom!

I'm in a video!

Oh wait, it's a Terraria video. 🤢

[ruby plover]

i stand by these words

all day, every day.

hand me another.

[short walrus]

🪑

here you go

[ruby plover]

thank you kindly

[sand ermine]

film yourself eating one or its fake

[unborn oriole]

[drowsy plank]

people will complain about zenith or some weapon being 2 seconds over killtime and then the entire melee class will be multiple minutes faster than kill times and nobody gives a shit lmfao

[small timber]

"terra blade is OP in calamity mod, it kills king slime under 10 seconds"

"dummy dps test, 3 MILLION dps on 100 dummies WTF IS CALAMITY DEVS THINKING"

[golden kayak]

[tardy smelt]

There's been a handful of things hinting at summoner hitting it big next update

So, not surprised

[inner anvil]

A little bit.

Mostly done by myself and Dominic, so yes.

[main hatch]

omg summoner getting more love?

pog

[grim tusk]

Sadly due to college and family reasons as well as a bugfix, rogue will likely not be balanced next patch

[main hatch]

when does mage get more appreciation

[grim tusk]

Once a tester gets to it. Altho Venus has rebalanced some mage weapons

[grim tusk]

Mattik when he has to eat 5 chairs whenever GitGudWo uploads

[grim tusk]

~~except its a minute under ~~

[tardy smelt]

Yeee

I hope there'll be some (if any) interactive summoner things next update, ive always found really fun to use

[inner anvil]

We'll see.

[tardy smelt]

[inner anvil]

I can say there's something related to this.

A [Redacted] if you may, and it's not Virid Vanguard rework.

[tardy smelt]

Ooo

Interest peaked

I'll be scouring the changelogs for that [Redacted] once the update drops

[inner anvil]

We'll see.

[frosty trellis]

Zenith is actually under for SCal-

[grim tusk]

“BuT Zenith is ShIt cuZ AotC killEd ScAl fAstEr”

[frosty trellis]

Actually ark is currently slower-

[grim tusk]

Yea but when AotC was faster we got a fuckton of “Buff Zenith” suggs

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

[grim tusk]

And turns out AotC was just op

And we then killed it

[frosty trellis]

SCals hearts needs to take extra damage from Zenith though

Just sayin'

It's abysmally slow to kill with Zenith

[tardy smelt]

I heard its gotten buffed again

by a bit

hopefully it'll be alright since its a really cool weapon

[golden tulip]

didnt it get its damage lowered by like 1700

lmao

[royal tapir]

700

2000 -> 1300

[golden tulip]

ah

[grim tusk]

Yea the nerf we gave it was too much

[frosty trellis]

Quite so

[tardy smelt]

fairfair

[frosty trellis]

It's horrid on Exos and like okay for SCal rn

Barely okay

Still over killtime but yeah

[grim tusk]

Use parries

And the other melee weapons need butchering

[frosty trellis]

Shade I got a 5:30 with a shit ton of parry abuse and using the snap as well. Ark just doesn't deal that much damage

Since the projectile no longer scales with melee speed and the base damage nerf

[frosty trellis]

True

And Exoblade needs a buff

[soft quest]

Woah what is that from?

Oh yeah isn’t that still in beta or am I thinking of something else

Can’t wait honestly, very cinematic mod

[cobalt pewter]

@lost pumice unfortunately no.

[hollow shell]

We're not even done adding all the Patron items

We still have backlogged ones from 2019

[soft quest]

Wow

[cobalt pewter]

they still have a bunch of backlogs and the dedicated items prove to be both taking a lot of time of potential mod development and very, VERY difficult to handle once implemented, depending on the donator's status

cue Normality Relocator

[lost pumice]

oh ok

will it ever be back? (if yes then in 2024/2025 or later?)

[swift wharf]

they don't know that devs don't get paid

[grim tusk]

@drowsy plank donor item

Oh wait my bad

[drowsy plank]

yes that is why i asked them

lol

ive got a lot of donor suggs queue'd up, but at least none have been as painful as trying to get universal genesis's recipe fixed lmaoooo

[frosty trellis]

LMAOOOOO

[grim tusk]

Somehow convince the Kelvin Catalyst donor to make it cheaper

[neat linden]

Convince the donor to make it a drop instead

[drowsy plank]

real

[drowsy plank]

ill be honest kevlin's is REALLY cheap rn compared to the old version, just 100 ice stars, one of each of cryo's weapon drops, and 10 essence of eleum is practically nothing

[grim tusk]

Dude wanted to add the fucking legendary to the recipe

[drowsy plank]

LMAO

i know kelvin used to be wacky zany to the point of being viable til golem but seriously

lmao

[frosty trellis]

Lmao

Isn't kelvin like kinda mid now?

[drowsy plank]

i think so?

[grim tusk]

Might not be anymore with the global stealth buff

[frosty trellis]

Global stealth buff?

I thought stealth's accessory shit getting overhauled was nerfing rogue bc it was admittedly very very powerful

[grim tusk]

Yes accs were the main issue

You cant buff the base stealth cuz those accs fucking centralize everything

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair enough

[grim tusk]

Now more build variety will exist and rogue doesnt have coin line, sheaths and mirrors stapled on

Now you can more reliably use other shit

[golden tulip]

what other accessories does rogue have

besides old die

[rotund tree]

old die is no longer a rogue accessory

it just gives a bit of luck now

[golden tulip]

[rotund tree]

which... kinda makes the tooltip a little weird, with the first sentence not even being changed

[grim tusk]

Binding of Isaac reference

[grim tusk]

You’ll now be forced to find em instead of going meta sheep

Because theres way too many to list

(And they are on the wiki)

[golden tulip]

ic

most are boring though imo theyre all flat stat boosts

[grim tusk]

Most are projectiles lmao

[hot zephyr]

Isn't Sand Cloak getitng a massive buff

There's also Raider's Talisman

feather crown

[shell grotto]

:)

[hot zephyr]

[marble moat]

wait where are the rogue changes?

[tidal hedge]

:)

[cold sundial]

my man 🤝

[hot zephyr]

There's a few in #changelogs, but a lot haven't been written down yet.

TLDR; Stealth at base was made a lot faster, charging in just 4 seconds while in motion or 2 when standing still. To accommodate for this buff, each stealth strike is a bit weaker, and stealth accessories have been nerfed so they aren't entirely mandatory.

Invisibility Potions cut ties with the Rogue class, and their benefits got moved to a reworked Shadow potion which is now much easier to fish up

A lot of smaller changes were also made, like Penumbra Potion being made more consistent and Raider's Talisman getting reworked into a hybrid "combo" accessory that benefits using both stealth and non-stealth attacks together.

[cobalt pewter]

didn't I convince the dude to make it cheaper already lmao

I think the devs already talked with the dono with the new recipe

[fossil mural]

What's the new buff limit for vanilla now

[grim tusk]

44

[ashen warren]

44

[grim tusk]

Rip :22:

[fossil mural]

And is calamity gonna make any changes to interact with that?

Or nah

[grim tusk]

Likely not

[fossil mural]

Since there are a lot of pots and stuff you normally couldn't stack unless you used a mod to do so

[grim tusk]

Also enemy debuff cap 5 —> 20

[fossil mural]

Just from sheer number limiting you

[hot zephyr]

x 2

[grim tusk]

When 1.4.4 tml comes up i assure you I will abuse Mythril knives + debuff boosters

No more enemies being spared cuz of 5 debuffs max

[cobalt pewter]

Mythril knife on its way to apply every single endgame debuffs on stealth strikes

[unreal viper]

[swift wharf]

totality breakers inflict oiled

mythril knife inflicts a lot of fire debuffs

[unreal viper]

Oiled is not real

[drowsy plank]

oh my god i just remembered laudanum exists