suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

(and it's really stupid)

anyways

[crude geode]

Tesla Cannon is just. a rifle.

[cobalt pewter]

Tesla Cannon can stay gun but only if it's actually behaving like a

tesla cannon

[bright crag]

It does behave like a Tesla Cannon

And it's getting buffed, too

Gatling Laser is exactly what it describes, Pulse Pistol is quite unique

[swift wharf]

when the abyss shocker is closer to tesla-y

is the way that they work based on fallout too

[bright crag]

Plasma Caster could be reworked, although I do like the current version

Gauss Pistol 100% needs a rework, it's trash

[bright crag]

It's a pre-HM weapon, that doesn't have to keep up with fast bosses nor be too precise with its shots
It also sucks hard

[crude geode]

wouldn't be surprised considering how 1:1 tesla cannon is with fallout

[cobalt pewter]

references weapons................

[swift wharf]

I know the weapons are fallout references
I don't know if they work exactly like it

[swift wharf]

just make them not references anymore and cool instead.....

[cobalt pewter]

true true

just referencing them by name would suffice

[crude geode]

considering that tesla cannon is extremely slow in fallout I have even less doubt that they work based on original fallout iteration

[swift wharf]

give them cooler visuals😎

[eternal escarp]

i dont.. think so?

quite comedic though

[frosty trellis]

It's hilarious

[half sage]

tfw I got below MNL on duke with it without even minmaxing

[cobalt pewter]

will be denied shrimply cus of summoners' association existence I think

[small timber]

I always thought summoner association is another cheat like mod that added a lot of other features for some reason

[distant gyro]

tru

[long ridge]

That wouldn't make sense

[distant gyro]

summoner's association also has unused/used sentry slots

[small timber]

I still think the feature will be nice for calamity to just have regardless, but ya I will just see if it is that similar

[small timber]

oh right this is probably the main reason I thought this way initially, since the mod also adds a lot of feature that is usually not available

but ya IMO in this case I don't think "just use summoners association" exactly fit, since it also have other features that are not available if you are just playing calamity, maybe can be considered as 'cheat-like' even

to me the argument kinda become where a suggestion ask for better potion yields, but get counterargued by the fact that "alchemist npc exist to make potions easier to acquire"

[long ridge]

True

[small timber]

yes it do solve the problem, but at the sametime it creates a lot of different potential issue if people just want to stick with calamity

[neat linden]

"just use x mod" is a bad solution tbh

[small timber]

also on the topic of external mods, I am really tempted to suggest to make chest systems better, just because of magic storage

just like, is this really necessary

[umbral dew]

make summoner slots visible on the level counters the goblin sells

[half sage]

they're already visible on the stat meter

[safe oasis]

why

that's like the whole point of a qol mod

[cobalt pewter]

calamity is on an odd limbo of absorbing qol stuff other people made (potion selling, even tho it's cringe as hell) but also giving proper compat to QoL mods (wikithis)

[swift frigate]

Absorbs qol but also gives compat to qol 🤔

As for "proper compat to qol mods (wikithis) part, i can absolutely agree. I think they did whole testing for every npc/item, so it will be complete for next update.

Im just hoping they wont forget about support whenever they add another thing that would have same name as something in vanilla

[ashen warren]

Huh

Could've asked me about it as it's basically copy this exact feature I did

[rotund tree]

"will be" ? what's missing now ?

[small timber]

oh right I forgot about that option

[golden kayak]

MS lite waiting room

[small timber]

sorry I only thought about the feature since it was mentioned several times in this channel (or at least it did come to conversation that people do want this feature), and I just saw your nohit QoL mod have it

I forgot that I should at the very least asked for your permission before posting this, especially that the example I used is that

[ashen warren]

I don't mind the suggestion

Would just be nice to have even asked to use my mod in it

[small timber]

sorry for didn't considered about it, I just thought that since some of the Toasty's mod function is not suitable for normal pt (instant summons etc that are usually not used in non-nohit situation) so I forgot asking for compatibility is an option

do you mind if I change the suggestion to maybe ask for compatibility with Toasty mod for this function?

[ashen warren]

What do you mean by compatibility

[small timber]

sorry if I misinterpreted this, I thought this sentence means if it will be nice for toasty mod to be compatible with calamity in some way (similar to wikithis) to add this feature, or at least I thought it mean something like this

[swift frigate]

i meant like

at first when it got added (very very early)

it wasn't complete (ie thunderstorm item would open wiki for vanilla event)

[ashen warren]

That isn't what I meant no

I don't see how you can make those two compatible when my mod is designed to be compatible already

In the event I ended up making it not dependent on Calamity making it have support for it still would be on me, not then

You spent 4 mins typing to say that

Idk why you're asking me that but yes

[inner anvil]

Why are you asking him?

[ashen warren]

It is yes

[inner anvil]

Well, we can find a way.

[ashen warren]

Tail is its own npc so it would be simple to make it go on it

[inner anvil]

Literally just tell me or any tester and we'll forward it to Dev Server.

[rotund tree]

calamity added compatibility in 2.0.1 and there was no update after that

[deft yew]

I should ping a tester for balance stuff, right?

[inner anvil]

No, we have a list for decoration.

Yes, you do.

[ashen warren]

[eternal escarp]

our job is clearly to have cool colors and spit nonsense

[inner anvil]

You got it.

[deft yew]

clearly

[ashen warren]

You do a good job of it blast :)

[eternal escarp]

thank you :)

[inner anvil]

I guess I don't.

[deft yew]

Ok, some of you might know what I’m about to say

[eternal escarp]

you do a great job being Toasty :)

[deft yew]

Houndius Shootius

[eternal escarp]

sentry

[inner anvil]

The what?

[eternal escarp]

(though yeah it deals like 1 damage

Deerclops sentry

[deft yew]

Clops’s sentry

[inner anvil]

Deerclops. 💤

[neat linden]

Deerclops weapon

[eternal escarp]

MEMES.

[ashen warren]

Well you do too memes then but I don't know you well enough to joke insult you like that

[inner anvil]

What?

[neat linden]

No one uses these anyways

[eternal escarp]

how DARE you, i am RIGHT here

[deft yew]

Ok but you buffed pewmatic horn

[eternal escarp]

deerclops my beloved

[deft yew]

Pewmatic horn is actually good now

[inner anvil]

You like Deerclops...?

[eternal escarp]

yes

[inner anvil]

You get -4134018502135 Memes Points.

[ashen warren]

Blast married deerclops

[eternal escarp]

NOOOOOOO

either way

yeah houndius shootius deals a literal 1 damage iirc

[inner anvil]

We literally did 0 to Deerclops.

[eternal escarp]

Pewmatic is indeed buffed

[inner anvil]

Is it?

[eternal escarp]

merk did a buff for it iirc

[inner anvil]

Daaaaaamn!

We did do something.

[eternal escarp]

Pewmatic is a good weapon therefore it got attention

trol

[deft yew]

pewmatic is rng stick

[eternal escarp]

so even though its a sentry it could use some little buff tbh

[neat linden]

so like
its only use rn is selling

[eternal escarp]

its a cool one!

[inner anvil]

Okay, so what's the problem right now?

[deft yew]

Houndius could use a FAT buff

[cobalt pewter]

meanwhile the funny skull is still funny

[inner anvil]

I got lost.

[deft yew]

One moment

[eternal escarp]

simply the damage of Houndius Shootius

[deft yew]

Can wiki bot embed here?

[eternal escarp]

its a pretty decently aiming sentry

just sucks ass

[deft yew]

I mean, a velocity or fire rate buff could help too

But I’m not sure that’s possible what with hardcode™️

[eternal escarp]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Houndius_Shootius

[inner anvil]

I'll buff it when I test --- ----- --------- and the other reworked stuff.

[eternal escarp]

fair ye

[inner anvil]

Yeah, there's your leaks.

[deft yew]

Ok so we are getting a houndius buff then?

[inner anvil]

Do you want me to tell you in DMs what's "--- ----- ---------"?

[inner anvil]

When I have time.

[eternal escarp]

i think i know what it is

[cobalt pewter]

isn't houndious a sentry

[neat linden]

Is the first word "The"

[eternal escarp]

it is a sentry

[cobalt pewter]

and cal hates balancing sentry

:cluel

[inner anvil]

Nice!

You got it!

[deft yew]

Based

[neat linden]

It's a the

[eternal escarp]

h

[inner anvil]

Not this though.

[neat linden]

thing

something

[deft yew]

wait a minute so we can figure out what it is

[cobalt pewter]

jokes aside Deerclops could use a bit of attention in general

[inner anvil]

Y'all are never guessing it anyways, has never been mentioned here.

[eternal escarp]

dont worry i am the lead force behind deerclops fanclub

[deft yew]

Clops AI is happening, we just don’t know when

[eternal escarp]

(maybe the only member of it (i will stand tall

[cobalt pewter]

good

[inner anvil]

Fuck Deerclops, stupid ass looking goat one-eyed bastard.

[deft yew]

That makes two

[eternal escarp]

i cant believe you memes

[inner anvil]

I can.

[deft yew]

You say as you buff Pew-matic Horn

[cobalt pewter]

memes vs blast

calamity tester: civil war

[deft yew]

And rework Queen Slime

[inner anvil]

I didn't.

[eternal escarp]

deerclops is a comparably good boss change my mind

[inner anvil]

Nah, we frendos.

[deft yew]

can’t

[eternal escarp]

we are friends
we just dont agree!

[inner anvil]

Compared to fucking who.

[eternal escarp]

crazy concept i know

to about 75% of vanilla bosses

[deft yew]

^^

[cobalt pewter]

aureus.

[inner anvil]

Aureus is good, shut.

[eternal escarp]

i wouldnt say that

[deft yew]

SO TRUE

[cobalt pewter]

like no joke

[deft yew]

Well

[eternal escarp]

i mean i dont really remember current aureus but i dont think its really that bad

[deft yew]

Actually forget the well part

[cobalt pewter]

I would rather fight Deerclops for 1 hour than try to fight Aureus at all

[inner anvil]

No joke? Cope lmao! Fab doesn't plan to change it unless neccesary.

[deft yew]

Even the 50% DR?

[inner anvil]

Yeah.

[grim tusk]

Aureus just needs to not have that stupid amount of DR so that its not suffering

[deft yew]

[eternal escarp]

50% dr is the same as just 1.5x its current HP

but being weaker to debuffs

[deft yew]

Aureus has more effective health than Profaned Guardians

[cobalt pewter]

okay Aureus is officially the worst boss in cal then, if there's no intention to change it :clueless

it do be moment

even tho I like its sprite

and its theme

[eternal escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[inner anvil]

Officially it's not.

Fab considers 2 bosses to be the worst in the mod right now.

[neat linden]

the current aureus hit sound is

[deft yew]

if there’s no intention to change it

[grim tusk]

Polt and Signus?

[deft yew]

Signus and Ravager are intended to change

And Polter

[inner anvil]

Ravager and Signus are for him the worst fights in the mod, Ravager first.

[deft yew]

Also Ravager is good

[eternal escarp]

wtf i like ravager

somewhat

[deft yew]

yeah, somewhat

[eternal escarp]

byeah

[cobalt pewter]

both have rework plans.

Aureus does not.

hence, Aureus is now the worst boss.

[deft yew]

Fist jank

[deft yew]

This

[eternal escarp]

maybe uh

tell us what is bad about aureus

instead of an empty statement tbh

[deft yew]

Fifty Percent Damage Reduction

[inner anvil]

Says Aureus is bad.
Refuses to elaborate
"Worst boss".

Hollow fucking arguements.

[eternal escarp]

feedzuh i know youre better than this

[grim tusk]

Feels unkillable unless you use a class with flasks

[eternal escarp]

[deft yew]

Astral Flame Crystal staying mostly out of sight until it jumpscares you

[cobalt pewter]

50% DR

jank movement

generally bullshit homing flare crystals

[eternal escarp]

what does jank movement imply

thats a little broad

[deft yew]

It feels less like an attack than “get screwed lol”

[cobalt pewter]

jump

[inner anvil]

What does jank movement imply.

I can dodge him fine.

[cobalt pewter]

it's not jump and more of a

glide

[inner anvil]

Ok.

So?

[cobalt pewter]

sure, it's dodgeable, but it looks terrible

[inner anvil]

Okay, so the problem is the visuals?

[deft yew]

[cobalt pewter]

that's half of my issues with Aureus yes, hence why I specified that I liked just the sprites and theme

[inner anvil]

Then it's not Fab's problem.

[cobalt pewter]

anyways this goes on for way too long

[deft yew]

Pretty sure Feed meant the AI makes it look bad?

So it is?

[cobalt pewter]

and offtopic too

[inner anvil]

He just made the fight, testers gave the thumbs up, including me, and now it's in the game.

[cobalt pewter]

and yes, the jumping AI in particular

[eternal escarp]

i can somewhat see what you mean, though i dunno how much of a real issue it is

[cobalt pewter]

anyways as I said this went for too long now, and I must scram

[eternal escarp]

as for the crystal flares i have 0 opinion

i havnt fought new aureus all too much

[deft yew]

get around to it

[eternal escarp]

i have things to do

[inner anvil]

There's only 1 problem I have with Aureus' fight and it's neither of all of this arguements.

[deft yew]

I said get around to it, not do it now

[deft yew]

What is it?

[eternal escarp]

this was a polite way to say "i likely wont bother anytime soon"

[inner anvil]

The fucking bombs.

[deft yew]

Spawns?

[inner anvil]

Yes, those.

[eternal escarp]

borealis spawns iirc

[inner anvil]

I don't like those.

[deft yew]

Aureus Spawn

[cobalt pewter]

Aureus Spawns

[inner anvil]

Yes, those.

[eternal escarp]

whatever

[deft yew]

Yeah they’re a little uh,

[cobalt pewter]

I literally forgot about them until it's mentioned just now

[inner anvil]

Apart from those, fight's fine.

[cobalt pewter]

shrimply incredible

[deft yew]

I don’t even care about spawns compared to Astral Flame Crystal

and Fifty Percent Damage Reduction

[eternal escarp]

is the 50% dr really that much?

[cobalt pewter]

[Fifty Percent Damage Reduction]!

[neat linden]

Spawns can't fly into me at high speeds from offscreen

[inner anvil]

Holy shit with the 50% DR, hollow arguement, y'all know if we lower it he fucking dies in seconds because his HP is balanced around that?

I know, I'm so smart at math.

[deft yew]

The only way to get under MNL is spectre rifle and cursed inferno

[eternal escarp]

memes i think obviously when they want to lower the DR it would mean an accompanying HP buff

[ashen warren]

He's a big ass target

[eternal escarp]

regardless

i dont see a super big issue with the DR as of now

[inner anvil]

Sure doesn't seem like it.

[eternal escarp]

MNL

[neat linden]

what about like
duststorm stealth adren or something

[eternal escarp]

is litterally like

1 minute

aureus avg. is 3:00

[ashen warren]

Why does MNL matter

[neat linden]

that thing on big targets is hilarious

[swift frigate]

yeah im bad at saying

[eternal escarp]

yeah MNL doesnt matter here lynel

your arguement fell a little

[ashen warren]

This isn't nohit

[inner anvil]

Anyways.

[eternal escarp]

to the "unless", pretty sure it hasnt changed

before someone says if it did

[inner anvil]

Then it's checked out.

[eternal escarp]

(unless someone can give good examples to the fact it did changed, i would be a little surprised)

[rotund tree]

maybe it just did before that for items that share the same name with vanilla wiki pages
if it ever was that way that's probably it

[neat linden]

i mean, DR can be countered with lunic eye and CF

[inner anvil]

Then use Lunic Eye.

[eternal escarp]

DR is countered by debuffs

trol

[neat linden]

which afaik cuts down his DR to 20%

[inner anvil]

Ok.

[eternal escarp]

or fast low damage weapons
its not like the fight takes a year

[swift frigate]

yeah it was

[inner anvil]

You've used your tools to make the boss easier, I see no problem.

[swift frigate]

i meant about that

yea

[neat linden]

and yes he does get brutally melted with 20% DR

[inner anvil]

No way!

[eternal escarp]

thanks navis, that confirms us that

[deft yew]

oh lo

[inner anvil]

Then it checks out

50% DR is not an arguement.

[small timber]

what if make aureus' self damage mechanic more noticeable

or at least more relevant

[deft yew]

Whatever then

[neat linden]

notice how i didn't mention DR in my arguments today

[eternal escarp]

it has a self damage mechanic?

[drowsy plank]

he has a self damage mechanic?

[small timber]

I think it does? when spawning the aureus spawn

[deft yew]

Loses 1% when it summons a spawn iirc?

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[small timber]

yeah

[half sage]

in death mode

[eternal escarp]

i had no clue

[drowsy plank]

amazing

[deft yew]

So death Aureus is easier…?

[drowsy plank]

truly the boss ever

[neat linden]

cause i realised that while it's super funny to have 50% DR all the fight it's pretty necessary

[neat linden]

This...exists?

[inner anvil]

Well, then I'm seeing less and less reasons to change his HP.

[neat linden]

lmao today i learned

[eternal escarp]

in a vacuum where that is the only change, maybe

[swift wharf]

just turn the DR into effective HP

[small timber]

death aureus is actually easier (IMO) since the homing crystal move faster

[eternal escarp]

eclipse we just

[swift wharf]

casually doubles the bosses hp

[eternal escarp]

talked about it

smh my head..

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

this means it have less chance to have scuffed prediction and hit you if you stop

[inner anvil]

Wrong image.

[deft yew]

Wait a minute, the crystals have prediction?

[inner anvil]

Only for Death.

[eternal escarp]

the only possibly valid arguement ive heared was crystal flares coming from offscreen, but i cannot confirm nor deny myself has i havnt fought aureus all too much yet

[swift wharf]

LUIGI% AUREUS

[drowsy plank]

1 billion HP aureus

[small timber]

the other potential feedback I have is that aureus have a teleport (that is literally just teleport on top of player), I dont think that one have any reason to spawn homing crystal downwards, most of the time it is just purely cheap shot

[swift wharf]

[deft yew]

Both of these

[small timber]

and that teleport should also teleport at an upper/higher position instead of at the same level as the player, since it frequently fall off platform/fall into the floor

[neat linden]

Get Aureus to 80% HP then just dodge him for 8 minutes

Wait for self damage to get him to 1

[deft yew]

Total attack randomness means Aureus can telefrag again (I think)

[neat linden]

Then stab him with literally anything

[swift wharf]

average aureus fight

[eternal escarp]

does the teleport itself deal damage immediately or is there a long enough grace?

[inner anvil]

Long grace.

[small timber]

it sometimes instantly fire crystal, sometimes it just dont fire

seems random to me at least

[eternal escarp]

so the crystal the teleport fires can cause a cheaphit?

[deft yew]

The downward crystals really don’t accomplish much other than jumpscares

[small timber]

yes and many times can be undodgeable unless you have like, 200% MS

since it occur near instantly

[eternal escarp]

hm

[small timber]

I will see if I can record it to make it clearer

[deft yew]

If you wanted a major change to them, I would make them behave like when Broken Vessel slams

[inner anvil]

Hollow Knight. :(

[eternal escarp]

every mention ive heared of frustration with aureus concludes at the crystal flares it seems

i may check aureus for myself later to see for myself

[deft yew]

Sounds about right

[inner anvil]

Then we just changed the Flare's speed, easy.

[small timber]

the homing crystal do need clearer indicator of how it behave yeah

currently everyone is clueless of how it behave, and it come from off screen too

[deft yew]

do we just not like HK around here or

[eternal escarp]

that sounds like a pretty fair claim to me

[inner anvil]

Some do, some don't.

[eternal escarp]

ill check myself later to see how much i agree

[neat linden]

oh and possibly make the self damage relevant or remove it altogether

[eternal escarp]

i like HK
dunno how it matters rn lol

[drowsy plank]

this channels hates when other game referenced

[deft yew]

That too

[neat linden]

almost no one knows it exists

[eternal escarp]

thanks xpc for formatting the actual issues you find

its much easier to discuss a boss when a claim isnt just spewed

[inner anvil]

Okay, that makes me beg the question, y'all know about Yharon's self-damage mechanic?

[deft yew]

common xpc W

[inner anvil]

Right?

[drowsy plank]

obvs

[deft yew]

We do

[frail mantle]

yes

[eternal escarp]

yharons is frankly much more obvious

[neat linden]

That one is easily noticeable

[inner anvil]

Okay, thank god.

[eternal escarp]

as it happens during a major attack and i believe is a slightly higher percentile?

[deft yew]

Something like 1.5 or 1.6

[drowsy plank]

he literally coldhearts himself it's how like 90% of early yharon fights manage to keep consistent dps on him

[eternal escarp]

yea

[neat linden]

That and you can't damage him during the attack

So it's obvious the damage had to come from somewhere

[deft yew]

He can

[neat linden]

i think he can

[drowsy plank]

funny

[deft yew]

It’s kinda entertaining

[neat linden]

yeah it is quite funny

[small timber]

ok is the teleport crystal fire death mode only?

yeah that is 100% correct

happens a lot of time to me

ok I dont even know what triggers the fire crystal downward after teleports, I remember it dont happen all the time too

[drowsy plank]

wiki doesnt specify if the ground pound ones are, but it should fire 2 before teleporting even in normal

[small timber]

maybe a bugged interaction even

probably a product of the random attack cycle I assume, since it definitely dont happen 99% of the time (even for when I initially notice this attack can happen)

and the 1% time when it happen it is an instant attack

ok I seems to cannot reproduce the "teleport fire downward homing crystal" attack, but the other problem is still very real

aureus teleporting at the same level as player just make it so it fall off platform constantly, which is a big problem as in normal pt astral biome spawn is completely random (and often forest), so if you want flat ground you have to terraform a lot, so fighting in sky arena (platform) is ideal

this interaction just make it so you have to fall to ground constantly or aureus despawn, or forced to use a small arena when aureus fight involve a lot of running

[drowsy plank]

does aureus enrage outside astral or something?? i just fight him in my main arena lmao

[small timber]

aureus dont have enrage, but basically to make sure this dont happen you have to fight it on flat solid ground, or you have to have a lot of layer of platform for arena

even then I notice aureus have the tendency to just fall off the platform even during normal jump (similar to king slime)

[vivid monolith]

any suggestions on how to beat moonlord with melee

[small timber]

you dodge attacks and hit moon lord

but ya, this channel is not for that type of suggestion

the advice you are asking for is more appropriate in like #help-advice-read-pins and #calamity-mod-talk

[vivid monolith]

oh thanks

[cobalt pewter]

jesse what the fuck

[inner anvil]

No, we don't need more upgrades.

The weapon's already complicated enough.

@pastel violet

[swift wharf]

poopshitter ultimate sword suggestion n5739

[small timber]

ark of the cosmos is literally the final evolution

you can use it on the current final boss, what more do you need it for

[inner anvil]

Boss Rush.

I'm just kidding.

[swift wharf]

[frosty trellis]

People have done Ark only BR so kek

Ark does need to be buffed but it's getting buffed next update so I'll take it

[steel raptor]

why was star cannon gutted so hard in calamity? They should at least give it ammo reservation to compensate for its 57% reduced damage from vanilla

star cannon was meant to be a weapon where if you commit enough time into getting the ammo you will be rewarded for it. That reward is gone now

[hollow shell]

Post-Yharon is a totally acceptable place to end a long line imo
You use it against both of the current final bosses

BR is considered post-game

[frosty trellis]

Yeah for sure

[hollow shell]

Auric Tesla armor is post-Yharon
several pseudo-Exos like Dragon Pow, Helium Flash, and Zenith are post-Yharon

[small timber]

@versed cape reaver mobility set have that exact effect, and to my knowledge it makes ram completely overpowered against specific bosses

[versed cape]

are you telling me to use reaver armor for scal?

[small timber]

and it is not just for "accidently dashing", one of the main reason dash have cooldown is because it is one of the single best tool to create distance

[versed cape]

or before plantera?

[small timber]

I am saying that shorten dash cooldown is overpowered, way more impactful than just "there is no harm"

[versed cape]

wdym cooldown?

[hollow shell]

I think you're misinterpreting the suggestion, XP

[versed cape]

do you think Im trying to shorten the cooldown between dashes?

no, thats beyond dumb

[small timber]

oh ok

ya I misinterpreted

[small timber]

yeah this is my initial interpretation

[hollow shell]

Also, Duck
Obligatory mention of Ball & Chain: https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Ball_and_Chain

[versed cape]

thanks but you probably know yourself thats not a good alternative

[hollow shell]

It's good if you want to never dash during a fight, only precise movements

[small timber]

but the problem with ball and chain is it is super inflexible

[hollow shell]

(you can favorite and unfavorite it mid-fight but that's cumbersome)

[small timber]

since you cant enable/disable it freely, if you are using ball and chain chances are it is better to just replace dash accessory with a different a non-dash accessory

[versed cape]

taking away your dash entirely is the worst solution to this problem

and dashes are absolutely needed for bosses

nearly as important as wings

[hollow shell]

Arguably more important, depending on the boss
Instant velocity is vital

[versed cape]

yeah yharon

defiled is probably easier than no dash

[hollow shell]

Kinda sacrilegious to suggest but
I'm wondering if the dash double-tap threshold should be configurable
like how computers let you change your double-click threshold
So that people don't feel like their dash inputs are being "eaten" if the threshold is too short

[versed cape]

it being configurable is the best possible solution but I doubt that will get implemented

I wish it was tho

[small timber]

configurable is ideal yeah

or maybe even a button for dash, not sure how it will work but it did get suggested before

[frosty trellis]

Maybe change it to a left/r.click feature in your hotbar?

That would be easier to manage

Since people do it with RoD anyways

[hollow shell]

Maybe, yes
if it had a 1-frame-long usetime

[swift wharf]

And for the people saying skill issue, please nohit Scal first and tell me how many times it happened to you.

Probably should remove this

sounds kinda cring

[small timber]

oh it have that line

yeah if you are nohitting scal, you can also just dont use dash

it 100% work (in fact most nohitter on scal to my knowledge dont use dash)

[swift wharf]

nohit isnt real

😊

[frail mantle]

yea remove both lines about nohitting i think

[steel raptor]

@frail mantle what is the dev team thinking of doing with ||the rod of harmony||

[frail mantle]

as of yet undecided i think but making it post game in calamity as well (however that may be done) was discussed

[steel raptor]

is it possible they may nerf ||regular RoD and make rod of harmony a direct upgrade to it?||

[frail mantle]

[hollow shell]

(spoilers)

[frail mantle]

tmod won't be ready for 1.4.4 for a while anyway most likely

[hollow shell]

(I forgot how spoilers are dealt with in the sugg channels)

[frail mantle]

same as most other channels, i would assume

[hot zephyr]

lol no hitters

[frail mantle]

with the same restrictions regarding future content

[small timber]

probably just have ||RoH|| being a slightly lower CD RoD I think imo iirc

[hollow shell]

||Rod of Harmony||'s name should prolly be censored right?

[frail mantle]

yea

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

||So what about the new permanent upgrades?||

[cobalt pewter]

meh

there's a possibility to dethrone NR

[small timber]

||what permanent upgrades?||

[cobalt pewter]

but if they're making ||shimmer|| stuff shadowspec

ehh

[small timber]

I mean it is ||post-ML|| as of right now

(and calamity can rebalance a bunch of items, not much point moving their tier)

it is not like calamity kept soaring insignia and make it shadowspec (while retaining infinite flight)

[frosty trellis]

||New upgrades that if you shimmer life/mana crystals (It generates randomly in the world at the start so it's pre boss) you get a 1 time use life/mana regen upgrade, and life fruits give you a defense boost||

[cobalt pewter]

except insignia isn't originally post game

meanwhile everything ||simmer related|| is post game by vanilla

they could definitely do the easy route and add shadowspec in ||the shimmer bucket|| recipe

[fossil finch]

The new upgrades are kinda weak btw

[small timber]

||I mean as of right now the life fruit shimmer seems to be giving 4 defense only, I dont think many of them are as big as a deal||

||not sure how much regen the life and mana one give (since dont have stat meter), but worse case scenerio if they give too much can always nerf them||

||as long as they are not incredibly game breaking I dont think there is really any point in significantly tier shifting them||

[small timber]

||also I didnt understand, why is it preboss? since if you to shimmer to access it||

[drowsy plank]

||shimmer generates naturally||

||so it isn't just post ML, the bucket is just a QoL thing||

[eternal escarp]

||what||

[small timber]

||well time to nerf RoD to like 20CD just so Rod of Harmony can be 15 in that case||

[drowsy plank]

||harmony is post moon lord only, the simplest solution is to just put it at the end of the game just like it is right now, so post Boss Rush or Xeroc or something||

[small timber]

||in hp regen and mana regen case can always give a nerf to the base stat buff calamity give, but ya this is quite stupid since I imagine finding natural shimmer is luck based||

[drowsy plank]

||in generates in a small cave somewhere in your world. most of the busted stuff is boss locked, but it's be weird if uncrafting was locked to post moon lord only lmfao||

[drowsy plank]

||oh there's also a luck upgrade. but yes it is pure chance from what we know rn||

||cal adding some kind of shimmer locator might be nice||

[fossil finch]

Do you have an image of this nvm

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[fossil finch]

(I got one

[drowsy plank]

post it? spoiled obvs

[drowsy plank]

huh

[small timber]

||just remember that DONT touch that liquid, bad things happen||

[grim tusk]

“They say that if you noclip inside of the terraria world you enter the Terrarooms”

[small timber]

it is confirmed that the suggestion is actually a bit misleading right? as in it count "viable options" only instead of just available option

where the solution is to buff weak weapons to be viable not just to add like 10 more

[drowsy plank]

wait how the fuck did that pass

oh my god did we forget to ping someone about it

because they were literally just wrong

[eternal escarp]

yeah sugg is just outright false

oh well

[small timber]

Speaking of balance, does this magically fix armor pen from being broken?

Or this is the one tmod fixed already

[inner anvil]

tMod fixed this for them.

So yes, we already have that.

And I still yet hate Armor Pen.

[frosty trellis]

Sucks to suck

Make Belladonna spirit staff not rely on armor pen then if you hate it so much

[inner anvil]

Can't wait to delete it from Calamity, I mean what?

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[inner anvil]

And what the fuck do you think we're doing?

[frosty trellis]

Idk, what are you doing?

[inner anvil]

I don't know, a rework?

Not now though, just plans.

[frosty trellis]

Just make Belladonna not do 5 base damage

So it can actually hit stuff without armor pen

And break shit

[inner anvil]

.

[crude geode]

armor pen reminds me of the old plague hive accessory

and how you kinda just. had to use it if you wanted to do damage with that one bee pillar weapon

[grim tusk]

And it proceeded to fuck ML over

[versed cape]

Also a good idea

[versed cape]

Either I give out cringe or I will receive cringe

[ruby plover]

Ah yes, because AotC needs another upgrade

It has enough finality as is, in my opinion

(And also SIS

[hollow shell]

@full basalt There is already a suggestion in #suggestions-posting asking for that

[full basalt]

You serious?

[hollow shell]

scroll up two messages from yours

er, three

[full basalt]

How do people remember all the suggestions that are posted

Ohh I see it now

[hollow shell]

No I mean
sugg-posting is the temporary posting channel

All messages in there are newer than 24 hours

aside from the instructions

[full basalt]

Should I remove mine?

[hollow shell]

Probably yes

[full basalt]

Thanks for letting me know

How do we know which suggestions went through (like the ones that won)

[sand ermine]

#suggestions-voting

[full basalt]

I mean the ones which the devs like and will implement

[sand ermine]

the bot will go through suggestions in #suggestions-voting and pick the 20% most starred/voted iirc

[crude geode]

implementation lol
approval is determined after it's gone through the voting process of dev

[sand ermine]

and then it will be sent to the dev server for devs to vote on it

[hollow shell]

In #suggestions-voting , suggestions get marked with ✅ if they have enough stars to get delivered to the devs, 👍 if the devs approve of the idea, 🛠️ if the devs officially plan to add the suggestion, or 🏁 if the suggestions are actually implemented into the mod

[crude geode]

also

[full basalt]

I’m kinda new to calamity. But do the devs add new bosses frequently? I’m not gonna suggest any since I’d imagine those would be a pain in the ass to add, but I’m just curious if that is something they do

[frosty trellis]

Frequently? No
But are there more planned? Yes

[crude geode]

it's going to be years before another boss

[jolly wadi]

they gonna rework alot of the older stuff and make them better quality THEN do yharim hopefully in 3 years time

[fossil finch]

future content isn't it

so don't

[crude geode]

Pog

First cringe sugg

@fierce sapphire Don’t make content regarding future content (aka 1.4.4) because it isn’t happening for an undetermined period of time

[fierce sapphire]

Figured suggesting it early would give more time for consideration and planning but ok

[hollow shell]

byeah we only wanna receive suggestions that are possible to implement right now

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell aint the AotC sugg a ❗

[hollow shell]

Not inherently

Maybe for weak reasoning though

[crude geode]

If “it doesn’t reach to the end of the journey” applies to ark of the cosmos it applies to EVERY AURIC WEAPON

which is extremely silly

Auric weapons are meant to be the end of the line

[hollow shell]

(also AotC is.. not true melee, it just isn't.
Starting at Ark (previously known as True Ark) it fires projectiles inherently without requiring parry)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

byeah
@pastel violet Your suggestion's reasoning needs work

[frosty trellis]

Auric Tier already has a great true melee option (Murasama) and a true melee option in desperate need of a nerf that Xyk already proposed (Dragons Rage)

[sand ermine]

@vestal fiber thats from fargo's mutant mod

not calamity

you can disable it by going to the bottom of fargo's mutant mod's mod config page (in mod configuration) and moving the opacity slider for debuffs to 0

[hollow shell]

Yeah I was boutta say

[vestal fiber]

ohhh

thx

[hollow shell]

Calamity gives debuff icons to enemies but not the player

[unborn oriole]

@fierce sapphire The brimstone witch npc already does that, she can dissenchant exhumed items

[swift wharf]

I love future content suggestions

[small timber]

joke suggestions are not allowed

additionally tmodloader isnt updated yet, you cannot make suggestions for content that is not yet in the game

[undone cedar]

speedymatt123

[small timber]

even if you clarify "it is not possible to be implemented right now", that is the point, you cannot implement it, therefore dont suggest it

[distant gyro]

on god

what did i just read

[undone cedar]

speedymatt123 suggestion

[frosty trellis]

Reference suggestions are a don't

so

By that rule alone you can't suggest it

[fossil robin]

Alright, I’ll get rid of it.

[small timber]

it is additionally 100% a joke suggestion yeah

[frosty trellis]

Even ignoring the joke suggetion rule and the no future content rule

It still breaks the reference rule

[fossil robin]

It’s gone.

[frosty trellis]

Ty

[short walrus]

What was suggested? (Dreaded speedymatt suggestion)

[fossil robin]

Something related to ||shimmering||

[frosty trellis]

||Use the new shimmer feature to turn the SCal npc into maid calamitas||

[small timber]

dump calamitas npc into ||shimmer|| to turn her into maid scal

[fossil robin]

We get it. Don’t stain the maid calamitas meme brutally, ok?

[frosty trellis]

Anything in relation to the ||Shimmer|| mechanic is disallowed since no future context suggestions

[short walrus]

Holy fuck absolutely not

[short walrus]

Holy fuck absolutely not

[short walrus]

It deserves it

Also, who's "we"?

[fossil robin]

Like what I did there?

[undone cedar]

speedy matts (plural

[short walrus]

Terrifying

[fossil robin]

And by we, I meant all of us in the chat room

[short walrus]

Who

Where

And keep me the fuck away from it

[fossil robin]

Alright I’ll stop. Feel free to ||consider any shimmer related features in the future even if we aren’t allowed to suggest||

Even if you don’t, it’s no biggie.

[radiant meadow]

That summoner suggestion looks ripped straight out of summoner's Association

[small timber]

kinda yes, but at the sametime I will argue that summoner association added much more than just show minion slot used

for calamity it can be a simple QoL, but if the full summoner association is used it will add much more than just that one function

(basically samething with alchemistnpc lite, even at lite it don't just make potion grinding easier; builder, operator or even combo potions are still there)

[golden kayak]

Yes

[frail mantle]

@eternal fern that’s more of a bug report than a suggestion

Also the temple is a bit of a weird place to use the Daedalus golem tbh

[eternal fern]

hes ass everywhere

the minions will get stuck on any obstacle and sit there

and not get through walls/tp to you

[drowsy plank]

but why?? it's vanilla item and it's not like it's breaking any pattern of consistency

scorpio made since because it was a calamity weapon

i just dont get the point of this one

[half sage]

^, scorpio got moved because you could progression skip by killing deus to get the fragments, you still have to kill moonlord to get the luminite regardless of the crafting station

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[fossil finch]

Vanilla reserves very little crafts to manipulator

[eternal escarp]

also referencing another sugg as the singular reason in yours is ech

even if the other sugg was also yours

[silver badger]

ech death

[small timber]

additionally scorpio is calamity and drill is vanilla

so unless it is intended to be a progression skip (which it isnt, since you have to kill moon lord anyway, which required either deus or cultist in the first place), so the only thing this does is just make it so killing cultist is essential

(and in scorpio case it also can be regarded as to fix an inconsistency)

[drowsy plank]

zenith is made at myth/calc anvil

i actually think moving DCU would CREATE an inconsistency

[eternal escarp]

thank you for just pinging me saying ech death instead of actually reading how you should improve your sugg

[drowsy plank]

cal's use of AM is very different from vanilla's

[small timber]

@rapid mica suggestion is wrong formatting
additionally suggestion to revert changes a not allowed

[drowsy plank]

bad sugg

[small timber]

DoG's fake death removal is deliberate so the HP bar no longer lie (and do NOT make any sense whatsoever that DoG just come back alive randomly)

[drowsy plank]

it was removed because it causes bugs

[small timber]

sentinel phase is also removed deliberately because of all the bugs it cause

[rapid mica]

Idk, the fights buggier now than it was before

At least in my experience

[small timber]

it definitely is not

[drowsy plank]

what bugs are you encountering

[small timber]

because previously when sentinel phase exist it is literally unfightable randomly

[devout shell]

ech death

[rapid mica]

The segments disappearing and disconnecting from eachother, him being invisible in multiplayer and stuff like that

[small timber]

that is multiplayer bug

not DoG's sentinel phase or whatever phase bug

[hybrid steeple]

calamity discord users try to read the suggestion rules challenge

[small timber]

most likely desyncing, which exist since forever now

[rapid mica]

I’ll delete my suggestion since I’m a dumbass and didn’t read the rules

[drowsy plank]

ill be honest it's more likely a lot of the issues you're dealing with stem with the other 50 mods you're running, because i already know you are

[rapid mica]

I’m running 4 mods

[small timber]

(or just classic terraria calamity multiplayer experience)

[drowsy plank]

also true

is one of them magic storage

[rapid mica]

Nope

[drowsy plank]

ah well at least it isnt the Usual Suspects

but yeah multiplayer still bad

[rapid mica]

I’m running LuiAFK, calamity, radiance, and alchemist npc

[drowsy plank]

wait luiafk got ported??

[rapid mica]

Kind of

[drowsy plank]

when?

[rapid mica]

Somebody reworked the code to work with 1.4 or smth like that

Which honestly might be causing the bugs

[drowsy plank]

prolly lmaoooo

[small timber]

that can be a cause, but ya multiplayer in general is just buggy, will not be surprise if it is that

[rapid mica]

Yeah, oh well

At least yharon is next

[sharp timber]

arent the arsenal stuff getting resprited by sok,

or something

[small timber]

I think it is less that the area should be bigger, it is more that DoG should spawn from the sky

instead of randomly from underground

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell theres a sugg with no reasoning and breaking sugg rules (the one before the last one)

[rotund tree]

the reasoning is likely the same as with the scorpio suggestion

which is just that there are luminite bars in the recipe so the station should be ancient manip instead of HM anvil

[hollow shell]

@silver badger Probably better if you elaborated on what the actual reasoning is instead of telling people to go find "the scorpio suggestion" in order to figure out what you're even talking about

[inner anvil]

@dry grotto Already planned to change.

[frosty trellis]

The original boss rush progression was determined by a vote? Zamn

[inner anvil]

Around 2018, yes.

[frosty trellis]

Wouldn't mind another vote to put SCal sooner so I don't get as demoralized by dying to her constantly in the last 3 bosses of br and the reason I still can't beat boss rush

[inner anvil]

No, the new order planned will not be held by a vote.

[frosty trellis]

Terminus SCal is pain

[dry grotto]

That's kind of sad but

I'm all for a more filled boss rush

[inner anvil]

The new planned order is Boss Checklist.

[frosty trellis]

Take away her malice projectile speed increase please ;-;

[hollow shell]

🤔

[inner anvil]

Rover, don't pull a 🤔 on me! We spoke this in Dev!

[frosty trellis]

Mewk has a point.....

[serene tendon]

Tbh boss checklist is kinda drunk putting Duke after Empress

[dry grotto]

Yeah

[frosty trellis]

Well you're not wrong

[inner anvil]

No, we put that there.

[dry grotto]

I do not think boss rush should be based off of boss checklist

[inner anvil]

I think.

[hollow shell]

Sorry I was 🤔 ing at Mewk's suggestion

[frosty trellis]

Empress is significantly harder than Duke

[inner anvil]

Oopsie.

[serene tendon]

I don't think so, that's how it is without Cal too

[frosty trellis]

Mewk has a point

[inner anvil]

Alright then.

He does have a point.

[hybrid steeple]

imo "child" is much more fitting and far less edgy in calclone's fight than "kid" in dogs

[serene tendon]

I've always seen duke as a post-planterra boss myself, found it wierd Boss Checklist suggests you fight him so late.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that's something that crossed my mind

[frail mantle]

i agree

well, it's still kinda edgy

[crude geode]

Child has a lot less edgy connotations than “nothing personel kid”

[hybrid steeple]

^^^^

[serene tendon]

At least with DoG it's a deity and not a failed cloning attempt that resulted in a giant metal eyeball

[frail mantle]

but it's not quite as 12 year old as DoG nothing personnel kid-ing you

[hybrid steeple]

its edgy but in an insane creepy mage way that fits
and not the space worm calling you kid like some internet 13yo

[frosty trellis]

I mean a failed clone calling you child as a failed way to interpret SCal would make sense

Since it's not like it's SCal herself

And child is way more fitting

And less childish

[serene tendon]

Perhaps, if Calclone is canonically insane

[frosty trellis]

Calclone is canonically a failed clone of SCal

[serene tendon]

I know

But that doesn't necessarally mean she's insane

[hybrid steeple]

(even if she wasnt itd fit)

[frosty trellis]

Failed on having similar powers and mannerisms

[small timber]

ya it is literally depend on personality

it doesn't matter you are a god or god slayer, you can just decide to not call people child

[serene tendon]

Fair enough

[small timber]

and then there is calclone that is just arrogance

[hybrid steeple]

either way "child" has connotations of "youre too weak and inexperienced to kill me" while "kid" has connotations of "i just got headshotted by you in overwatch or smth and am screaming into the mic about how i will violently murder you"

one fits way more than the other

[frosty trellis]

Trueeeeee

[serene tendon]

But you're far from too weak. It's not like Calclone is that hard, especially compared to DoG

[small timber]

and another consideration is that I dont think lore-wise it will make sense for calclone to know she is a failed experiment

as in, calclone thought herself is equivalent to scal in power, and scal is basically half a god in the world, so of course she is exceptionally arrogance

(just wait for the soon™️ calclone resprite for that too make sense, considering currently the sprite is a giant eyeball)

[fossil finch]

youre all failing to consider calclone should probably not able to comunicate at all

why would it

[serene tendon]

Perhaps she didn't know at first, but you'd think she would after meeting the real Scal

[fossil finch]

that never happened though

[small timber]

yeah

[serene tendon]

I thought the lore was Scal discovered the cloning and rebelled

[small timber]

I think lorewise scal literally destroyed the lab as soon as she learn yharim is cloning her, so it make sense that calclone never meet the original

scal knows calclone, but calclone dont have to know scal, tldr of it

but ya this is turning into lore chat

I just think the suggestion is like, regardless of lore, really unncessary?

[fossil finch]

yeah and this doesn't imply the clone knows its a clone lol

[small timber]

calclone have an arrogance personality and call you a child, thought herself to be too high, thats about it

[hybrid steeple]

arrogance is a powerful thing

[fossil finch]

anyways this again

[hybrid steeple]

[fossil finch]

i don't think calclone is in an state where it should be conscious lmao

[small timber]

soon™️ resprite and everything magically just make sense

coming before 2050

[hollow shell]

Also don't make suggestions about content that tMod has not yet gained compatibility with

[ashen warren]

aight let me delete it

[hollow idol]

a lot (2 helmets)

[drowsy plank]

still waiting on the calclone resprite where she's more of a feral amalgamation than a stoic witch

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[keen zodiac]

ancient demonshade and god slayer

[grim tusk]

GS is in Cal now

[small timber]

Yoinnnnnkkk

[swift wharf]

boss rush suggestion

[gray nebula]

yooooo debuff centric

(its just dot

[grim tusk]

We already have a bunch of debuff centric items

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell exterminate (future content and maybe SIS?)

[golden kayak]

Imagine actually posting suggestion with spoilers

[grim tusk]

And this also pretty much conflicts with my stealth plans

[hollow shell]

@spring sail Save any 1.4.4 suggestions for when tModLoader and Calamity actually has compatibility with it

[grim tusk]

And with #920108877125673000 message

[spring sail]

K

[crude geode]

I can’t believe you linked to devplans.png

[hollow shell]

lol

[spring sail]

It’s not like many could see it

So what’s the plan on stealth

[grim tusk]

Rebalance it from the ground up

As you may see a fraction of in #changelogs

[hollow shell]

for like the third time

in stealth's lifespan

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[arctic tapir]

Feel like third is an understatement but I'm not sure

[hollow shell]

@hot sandal haha funny
Do you have any actual suggestions related to Sand Sharks or Great Sand Shark

[frosty trellis]

Make GSS an actual boss fight that does more than just give you SSN and not just a miniboss that doesn't even amount to a paladin and is trivially easy

[swift wharf]

no

[crude geode]

can we not add more bosses

[distant gyro]

true

i would rather see GSS die than it to exist as a boss

[hot sandal]

we're gonna make em bigger and increase its stats, and probably add drops. I could sit and come up with all of it, but i feel thats the fun part for the devs.

[hollow shell]

What do you mean "we're"

[distant gyro]

if there's one thing we don't need it's a glow up fundamental enemy clone that got artifically tuned into a boss

(The AEW Effect)

[crude geode]

god

kill that fucking thing

[hybrid steeple]

[hot sandal]

I was memeing trump, but something tells me this is already a known thing. so ima just drop it.

tender subject. i get it

[hybrid steeple]

????????

[hollow shell]

I don't even know what you're talking about

[crude geode]

^

[hollow shell]

(also GSS does have exclusive drops, just through the middle-man of Grand Scale, from which GSS is the sole source)

[devout shell]

👍

[proud quest]

is it a bad suggestion to ask for astral meteors not to fall into chasms which limits progression?

[small timber]

wait when did this one get denied

[proud quest]

damn

[small timber]

I imagine that one is more tied to the "marking structure" than not fall into chasms

but ya, I thought it got accepted

[proud quest]

i guess were gonna keep having astral meteors falling in stupid places

until further notice

[hollow shell]

I'm pretty sure the meteor landing in a chasm or living tree doesn't affect progression at all

Planetoid might, cuz that fucks up the parabolic curve, but you'd still very likely have some astral blocks

[proud quest]

it landed in a chasm for me and it cant generate any trees

and since it doesnt spread

i cant collect monolith

for titan heart armor

[small timber]

you can manually spread it with steampunker

[hollow shell]

He mentions that in the suggestion

[small timber]

but ya, it is annoying when it dont generate naturally properly

[cobalt pewter]

this got a thumb at least

[hollow shell]

Fair enough. You should mention that point in the suggestion

Ah you did

Thank you 👍

[proud quest]

ye i edited it lol

np

[hollow shell]

Notably, Astral Crates do not contain monolith either

[proud quest]

damn

[hollow shell]

What about your Beacon altar?

How does that generate when it lands in a chasm

[proud quest]

gimme a sec

[small timber]

it just dont spawn iirc

[hollow shell]

I can see here that it's wildly displaced but it still exists, can get monolith that way

[small timber]

since the main astral tree cant spawn

[proud quest]

the surface isnt astral

btw

[small timber]

seems my info for that is incredibly outdated

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's made of monolith so, it's an option to mine that

[cobalt pewter]

should be enough for Titan Heart armor at least?

[proud quest]

ig

[hollow shell]

44

[cobalt pewter]

that's the

generated monoliths??

or just what titan heart needs

[small timber]

if the full tree generated it should be at least 150+ I think

[proud quest]

rip astral monolith

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

[hollow shell]

Full tree idk how much is in it but definitely more than 44

[proud quest]

yeah i got enough

[hollow shell]

And then, theoretically, with the Beacon's monolith blocks
you can craft Star Struck Water to get some more astral trees, and astral grass which you can plant acorns on

Your suggestion's still valid and something the devs have discussed as a problem before
But there are still ways to overcome its awkwardness currently

[proud quest]

oh

[small timber]

also may we get some idea of why the astral marking structure suggestion is denied? since last time I thought it was accepted so I never asked

I assume just dont want a preHM undestructible structure?

[proud quest]

maybe not suitable for lore i guess?

idk

[small timber]

maybe, though I always thought maybe an "astral draedon lab" can be generated there, extra guarded and undestructible with preHM pickaxes of course

since if anything, astral meteor falling is likely something dreadon (the science guy) can predict

[proud quest]

i said this once but someone said it wasnt relevant lore-wise

[hollow shell]

Weird that you had that impression cuz it was universally rejected by the devs

I don't think it was for lore reasons but the actual reasons for rejecting it weren't discussed much in dev
Convo was more centered around how to improve the current astral spawn code

(which is something I mentioned here too when the suggestion was posted
That the sugg proposes and unnecessary middle-man)

[small timber]

oh ya that could work even better I guess

[hollow shell]

(We do not need to introduce a warning structure that has smarter gen code
in order to give the astral meteor smarter gen code
We can just edit the current one)

[small timber]

(since I thought in that case it will be a 🔒 instead)

[hollow shell]

Nahhh not really how that works

Kinda.

Sugg was primarily centered around the marking structure and that did serve a theoretical purpose beyond smarter gen code
Mostly warning so that you don't put builds there

And that was the aspect that was rejected

(cuz meteors should already avoid builds)

[proud quest]

well plus

a draedon structure there wouldnt make sense

i think

[proud quest]

because apparently draedon sent aureus to explore the astral from far away

and it would be a lie if he made a draedon base right at the astral

idk

[hollow shell]

Canonically there was another Astral impact elsewhere in the canonical world that we do not see

the one that drops in-game is just another one

That's why Aureus exists basically instantly, pre-infected, upon the crash happening

cuz Aureus being built and infected actually happened a while ago

[proud quest]

i mean idk how there would be a way to fix this

[cobalt pewter]

that's

confusing

but sure

[small timber]

I think that was the original reason I thought of astral dreadon lab yeah

[hollow shell]

That particular aspect of the lore will change in the future when we do the Astral update

[small timber]

since both aureus and deus are infected draedon structure (machine) if I remember correctly

[hollow shell]

(astral update #3, technically?)

[cobalt pewter]

true

[proud quest]

like maybe the meteor always lands at a certain point vertically so it wouldnt drop in chasms?

[keen zodiac]

not deus

[hollow shell]

Deus is not a robot, no

[keen zodiac]

just aureus

[proud quest]

deus is a god

[keen zodiac]

deus is an ancient star god that was infected and chopped up

[small timber]

I thought deus is an infected destroyer-type excavator, I guess I remember it wrong

[hollow shell]

I dunno if that ever was the lore

[keen zodiac]

it wasn't

[small timber]

basically astrum deus (the star god itself) get killed by DoG then its remain infected the machine

[bright crag]

Deus is the infected corpse of a god

[hollow shell]

Not ideal cuz land elevation naturally fluctuates
Some meteors will spawn in mid-air, some will spawn buried in the ground

Well I suppose it could detect where there is land at the specified elevation

But

That would severely limit its spawning locations

A reasonable range, I suppose, would be the best option

[bright crag]

And yeah, my sugg got rejected because

1. Astral spawns can be made smarter
2. Marking for the sake of things like skybridges, other building-oriented QoL and just to know where it'll land is just not enough justification

[proud quest]

idk i cant code

theres prolly a way to not allow it to spawn in space / near space though

right

that eliminates one problem

[marble moat]

if target block too high, choose another one?

[hollow shell]

We do have options yeah

[marble moat]

since you can cross out ones near chests and stuff it seems possible

set all of space to the same code as a chest that won't ruin anything i promise

[proud quest]

maybe theres a way to automatically make it so it doesnt generate near chasms/living trees

like chests

but i dont know if thats possible

[hollow shell]

My idea was to give it a whitelist of blocks that it is allowed to impact onto
And Ebonstone would be excluded from that list
Corrupted Grass is fine, but if it tries to fall in a chasm it'll see the Ebonstone and decide against it

[frosty trellis]

Then tell the boss checklist people to take it off boss checklist because it's on there so I assumed it was a boss

[hollow shell]

Dunno if my idea is possible either

[proud quest]

that makes sense

[radiant meadow]

Minibosses on boss checklist is done by Calamity

not Boss Checklist

[proud quest]

maybe like a maximum of 20 ebonstone blocks and if it goes over that amount it doesnt generate there

[radiant meadow]

but I'm pretty sure there's indicators to differentiate bosses and minibosses in the mod

[frosty trellis]

Why is GSS on boss checklist then?

[hollow shell]

^

Minibosses are all colored blue

Also there's a checkbox at the top to exclude minibosses

[small timber]

I think GSS being on bosschecklist make sense since almost all miniboss (except like abyss miniboss) are on the list

[proud quest]

whats gss

[frosty trellis]

Huh?

[hollow shell]

Great Sand Shark

[radiant meadow]

great sand shark

[frosty trellis]

They are?

[proud quest]

oih

[hollow shell]

Yes yes they are

[small timber]

the only one I dont think should be on it is AEW, because it should be a surprise that AEW is even beatable

[frosty trellis]

Oh, like the vanilla events yeah

[small timber]

same reason as dungeon guardian not on the list

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[small timber]

since 99% of the playthrough when you trigger AEW fight, it is an insta kill

[hollow shell]

(best image I could find in search)
(Giant Clam there)

[small timber]

you probably will not even know it have more than 1 move, it will just be seen as an instant kill punish feature

[devout shell]

I agree

[proud quest]

will astrum aureus' spawn item be changed some time

[hollow shell]

His spawn method will be changed yes

[hollow shell]

Thanks Ben 👍