oh well, im ready for all the nerfs summoner is gonna get
how much ya wanna bet its gonna be like 1.3 vanilla summoner all over again?
#suggestions-discussion
gilded scroll
inner anvil
Listen, summoner moves on when I do stuff, and ain't doing stuff now because High School started.
cobalt pewter
oho.
gilded scroll
oof-
but hey, at least Cobalt Kunai cant shred Plantera anymore-
what the hell was being smoked during that time? i want some (kidding)
cobalt pewter
:clueless:
solid skiff
ok good I'd like more summoner changes
oh
just saw your most recent message
damn
inner anvil
Yeah.
gilded scroll
unless theres an Alternate somewhere in the beat testing team XD
ah well.
inner anvil
Correct, yet.
I'll probably balance all of Post-ML summoner in like a weekend or something, I don't know.
swift wharf
🪓 
inner anvil
We'll see if high school decides to be a pain on the ass.
gilded scroll
is Saros still fucking busted?
solid skiff
We'll see if high school decides to be a pain on the ass.
last year of high school for you too?
solid skiff
oh
gilded scroll
gotta abuse that as much as i can, then
solid skiff
good luck soldier
inner anvil
Thank you, I'm going to need it.
frozen hornet
High school starts at 15?
gilded scroll
high school aint that bad, just lay low and dont bother people
and yeah, good luck my man
inner anvil
I'm big boy now.
frozen hornet
Samn
solid skiff
different countries start high school at different ages
frozen hornet
Mine starts at 13 but has two halves
inner anvil
Though I just became 16 like a few days ago.
solid skiff
I'm 17 and a half and I'm in 12th grade
frozen hornet
I should post that thing I thought of
gilded scroll
ive graduated high school lmao
frozen hornet
(I completely forgot what it was)
frozen hornet
B
gilded scroll
k bye, have fun, im prolly gonna go play something
distant gyro
memes is the youngest on the team 
inner anvil
That is correct.
swift wharf
who is the oldest?
solid skiff
means they'll live the longest
swift wharf
lilac?
solid skiff
so L
distant gyro
fab or lilac idk
inner anvil
Yeah, it's either Fab or Lilac.
distant gyro
ozz is a tad below
swift wharf
lilac is an elder entity so it's them
frozen hornet
I only found out after browsing the page for the 13th time
cobalt pewter
what is this
frozen hornet
he will say you can't suggest specific items
cobalt pewter
@eternal fern there's zero reasoning in the sugg and can't put specific details (anything beyond the first paragraph)
eternal fern
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/1022144170074...
< clueless
cobalt pewter
your mom is clueless when I
short walrus
- nerfs are good for balancing
- whats wrong with a weapon looking like it's item
- no specific items
- does it really, absolutely need an upgrade?
- that sounds busted as fuck this is why SIS are banned
frozen hornet
I'd much prefer memeachite stay a one-off weapon because it's cooler that way
short walrus
^^
eternal fern
your mom is clueless when I
you got nothing to with
frozen hornet
I don't think any other legendaries upgrade too
frozen hornet
Except shattered community but that's a dev
main hatch
unless that was changed
frozen hornet
Fair
frail mantle
blossom flux, apotheosis i think and shattered community
frozen hornet
I thought apoth lost cosmic discharge?
main hatch
cosmic discharge still exists?
half sage
yea the 3 exceptions to legendary item upgrades are all dedicated content
drowsy plank
me when donor :)
i suppose some of these are technically dev but w/e u get the point
frozen hornet
2 of them are dev one of them is akeeli
small timber
ok I got it wrong about Shattering Potion being as good as Reaper Tooth Necklace
it is even better because turns out crit is more valuable than damage
grim tusk
B.Flux having an upgrade is a relic of old Cal
inner anvil
@small timber Devplans.
cobalt pewter
I think for B-Flux specifically it'd be fine
inner anvil
I don't think your suggestion can be valid.
cobalt pewter
but the others can just fuck off I think
small timber
ok if it is devplans ya glad to hear it
as long as it is not staying in its current form I am fine with it
small timber
I can rewrite it since I have the file ready, but yeah
inner anvil
Alright, great.
grim tusk
This malachite sugg can be summarized to “I miss old op Malachite, I want it back in some form”
Cry about it
inner anvil
True...
zenith hazel
cold
neat linden
"but it just falls off post moonlord"
i'm pretty sure pbg tier weapons should fall off post ml
acidwood one seems okay ig
swift wharf
we should have acidwood structures
small timber
@arctic tapir there are a lot of guns (or at least ranger weapons) with semi-homing ability already, so not exactly don't have option
especially exactly post-ML to fight providence
arctic tapir
I think bullets specifically do fill a niche different than just a homing gun does
swift wharf
nano bullets
small timber
the problem is there is no niche, homing bullets is, as you say, a crutch
sand ermine
providence fills up a good portion of the screen
small timber
basically they just lowers the bullets damage to way below average of on tier then just slap a homing ability and call it a day
swift wharf
like the biggest hitbox boss
small timber
so ya it is much better to use homing gun where they still do on tier damage
swift wharf
post ML bullets are already hitscan
sand ermine
on a 1920 by 1080 screen providence (if you got a full view) fills up at least 40% of the screen
arctic tapir
Post provi
sand ermine
there is almost no need to have homing bullets
other than when you are farther away
which at that point, just use a boss cursor mod or open the map overlay
swift wharf
aim
small timber
what exactly is there post provi that you need homing, like signus?
post provi is a weird case where most of the ranger weapons have custom ammo/ignore bullets that make them unable to benefit from homing bullets, the others are shotgun (which with homing bullets will break the weapons a lot, as in they will overperform)
neat linden
tbh you don't need homing for signus thanks to how he moves
small timber
I know class setup page is not ideal, but ya just looking at this it is pretty much only aurialis will not break with homing bullets
others either dont use bullets or will be overpowered if a proper on-tier homing bullets are added
neat linden
Just use blood boiler
swift wharf
you dont need homing bullets ever sobbing
small timber
ok aurialis even use custom bullet/ignore bullet so yeah it doesn't even work
the only weapon that work is probably disseminator and just look at this
small timber
half of the bullet it fire is homing even, I never realised it
so ya there is really like, maybe 1 gun that I missed can even use homing bullet post-provi
oh right besides that
@arctic tapir yeah regardless of whether the bullet is needed, I think it is best to remove the specificity from the suggestion (namely the phantoplasm bullet, homing skull etc, and the "X amount of this bullet fired in an amount of time, player hits X movement speed" part)
since suggestions generally avoid specificity to give the devs more freedom on working on the idea of the suggestions
but ya besides that, do you remember other ranger weapons that are not addressed above that can use bullets? post-provi at least
after post provi (especially post-DoG) you have more options like sdfmg line and stuff
ashen warren
Okay Mr partypooper
I think it's a good idea
and unobtrusive
not a good idea to be calling a server mod that methinks
safe crypt
🧐
ashen warren
lol I don't care what mods think
hollow shell
not a good idea to be calling a server mod that methinks
nbd really but
short walrus
also halibut is a dedicated item
hollow shell
yeah joke suggestions are indeed listed in the Dont's doc
short walrus
autodisallowed instantly
hollow shell
also halibut is a dedicated item
(Does not apply in this case)
short walrus
ok fair enough
frail mantle
lol I don't care what mods think
your problem
cobalt pewter
@ashen warren no.
sand ermine
architect is alchnpc
drowsy plank
@sudden sedge the architect is not a calamity npc
sudden sedge
oh my god
drowsy plank
yall gotta stop using alch npc on god
sudden sedge
I never knew that
sand ermine
alchnpc lite is still respectable
sudden sedge
sorry, that blew my mind
sand ermine
tbh
drowsy plank
alch lite adds combo potions still im pretty sure
sudden sedge
I didn't even know full alchnpc was updated to 1.4
drowsy plank
yeah i was gonna say
i respect no form of alch npc
calamity already adds potions shops
it would be... interesting to get spooky wood earlier, i guess? but the same argument could be made about any building block
crystal kayak
then have to change recipe for armor to make it post-plantera
drowsy plank
they already provided the idea of adding ecto to it
but the real problem is it just... complicates things for no reason
no other block would have this kind of request but it's just because it's a wood that it seems okay suddenly
sudden sedge
the previous update just seemed to encourage early game building
crystal kayak
also ecto is for mage stuff
drowsy plank
i think making certain materials prog locked forces people to get inventive
ecto is for more than just mage in calamity
also yes it does but that doesnt mean you should be able to get every block??
drowsy plank
what about nebula brick, or auric brick, or... i dunno there's like a billion other cool blocks for build that are also prog locked
it's just part of the game
drowsy plank
LMAO
swift wharf
like everyone does
drowsy plank
true..,.,.
sudden sedge
respectable answer
swift wharf
nobody cares it's a sandbox game
drowsy plank
like pearlstone/pearlsand and marble go really well together but that doesnt mean it should be obtainable pre HM cause that breaks the game lol
crystal kayak
i was gonna say it ruins the fun but there isn't any in building to being with
sleek turret
crystal kayak
not only is that wrong that does not help the convo whatsoever
it doesn't have to help, it just needs to be relevant
drowsy plank
well it isnt relevant because we try to have productive conversations here about the topic/suggestion, go back to cal talk or something
on the topic of building stuff ig, considering all the changes 1.4.4 is making to building, could be cool to try and cap off the few remaining non-renewable materials
like hive or traps
crystal kayak
well it isnt relevant because we *try* to have productive conversations here abo...
firstly i meant relevant to the conversation, also chill it's not that deep, if anything you killed the conversation more by overreacting, im done talking to you bye
golden kayak
Am I mistaken or Viral Sprout debuff overwrites all other damaging debuffs on the enemy?
4 vital sprouts output 146 per tick both with and without Abyssal Amulet + The First Shadowflame
Yet Ravens (that do not apply debuffs at all) deal 55 per tick with those accessories equipped
On brothers, that number increases to 130 per tick, and 4 sprouts still deal 146 regardless
@inner anvil
golden kayak
On brothers, that number increases to 130 per tick, and 4 sprouts still deal 146...
With 3 or less sprouts it shows 130
?
Ignore me maybe?
It deals 130 per tick with Abyssal Amulet + The First Shadowflame,
130 per tick with just Abyssal
And 5 per tick with just The First Shadowflame
And I just assume now that it only shows the biggest DoT out of all applied
Sorry for the ping
inner anvil
You want me to check if Viral Sprout cancels other debuffs inflicted?
golden kayak
Well, I guess I wanna check if a bigger debuff cancels a smaller one
Because
It deals 130 per tick with Abyssal Amulet + The First Shadowflame,
130 per tick with just Abyssal
And 5 per tick with just The First Shadowflame
At least it visually shows it like that
So it's not a Viral Sprout problem
hollow shell
This is an awfully particular case
I don't know of any texture packs that change NPC names, personally
but I suppose I'm not very versed in the field
fossil finch
theres this slight thing
you guys only add names don't you?
texture packs should still modify the vanilla ones
so theres not really a conflict?
swift wharf
Probably
inner anvil
Well, I guess I wanna check if a bigger debuff cancels a smaller one
I'm going to be honest, I don't know what to tell you lmao.
Because like, without those 2 accesories, 1 Viral Sprout does like 75 DoT, with those accesories, it still does 75 DoT, and with a summon that isn't that one it still is 75.
So I would guess no, there's no canceling.
hollow shell
@drowsy elbow Can you elaborate on the issue? Under what circumstance is it unacceptable to only be able to modify the vanilla names?
(Or does Calamity make it so that even the vanilla names can't be changed?)
drowsy elbow
Calamity makes it so vanilla names are overwritten even when using texture packs that change NPC name strings. I'm not quite sure how or why it does that. Also, I dunno, maybe there's a few people who don't like the joke names. I don't mind them.
hollow shell
I'll check how Calamity does its NPC name implementation later today (if I remember)
It is possible it redefines the entire pool with the vanilla names included, simply appending may not have been an option
frosty trellis
Before I say anything, is there a reason potions of omniscience don't work in the abyss anymore?
hollow shell
It worked in the past?
frosty trellis
Yeah. Back in 1.3.5 I could see everything in the abyss with omniscience which was super nice especially against stuff like Adult Eidolon Wyrm and the minibosses
short walrus
@vestal dagger Specific Item Suggestions aren't allowed
hot zephyr
make sure to read the pinned document
vestal dagger
Its not really meant to be a specific item, I just though I'd explain my inspiration behind my idea of a powerful accessory that damages you when worn.
hot zephyr
that is a specific item in everything but name
vestal dagger
what sort of changes do you think i should make to my suggestion?
small timber
Look at #suggestions-voting , those are basically suggestions that are passed without any problem
For your suggestion, I dont think much can be done
The basis of the suggestion is to add an item with specific function, even if you remove the name and reference that part is still there
hot zephyr
brimflame also is pretty close to the concept anyways
drowsy plank
@vestal dagger https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Chaos_Stone
vestal dagger
Brimflame armour only damages you when you activate its damage boost, and the Chaos Stone only damages you when you use mana potions. I was thinking of an accessory that continuously damages you when equipped, even when you aren't currently benefiting from it.
drowsy plank
the new version of regenerator that halves your health instead of halving your max health?
small timber
The slime god one, but ya regardless
drowsy plank
oh right mana polarizer also exists
small timber
Thr reason this type of effect do not really exist everywhere is because they inherently force a nohit playstyle
vestal dagger
maybe not a health drain, but some other effect
small timber
They inherently sound very cool, blood magic and stuff, but in the end it is basically if you get hit you cant regen (in fact you are degening)
Then the idea will have to get even more specific, since at the very least a health drain one can use the above examples
drowsy plank
either way there are about 8 of these already and adding "Thorn Ring Deltarune But Not" is just. not going to add anything to the game
vestal dagger
"accessory with a big downside and even bigger upside"?
drowsy plank
yes we have plenty of those
vestal dagger
i forgot just how many of these there are
drowsy plank
dimensional soul artifact also comes to mind
small timber
I think bloodflare core is the big one, and the 2x hp one I forgot name
frosty trellis
And also drunk princess exists
frosty trellis
I think bloodflare core is the big one, and the 2x hp one I forgot name
Bloodflare core doesn't even feel like a downside
And blood pact
small timber
Bloodflare core doesn't even feel like a downside
Bloodflare core downside is you cant get chain hit, because the second hit you take will basically have 0 defense
If you get hit 3 times in a row you have high chance to straight up dies
vestal dagger
most accessories with downsides only sometimes have their downside apply, and usually have their upside always active. What about something the other way around, with a constant downside and and upside that gives you an occasional, huge boost?
frosty trellis
Bloodflare core downside is you cant get chain hit, because the second hit you t...
Which isn't too hard to get around outside of SCals bullet hells but fair enough
small timber
most accessories with downsides only sometimes have their downside apply, and us...
The problem is these type of effect tend to be defensive/health tied, which end up just loop back to the "force nohit" problem again
Notably you have things like omega blue armor and dimensional soul artifact
If you go for non-health tied effect, you have reaver tank set, which provide an abnormal/unreasonable amount of defensive boost for on tier item
But people dont use it because its constant downside is reduce damage but massively boost defense as upside
small timber
I cant really think of other "potential downside" that is not detrimental that is not health/defense related
vestal dagger
If there was a possible downside other than health its could be a good idea, but yeah, everything just keep looping back to a "force nohit" playstyle
small timber
You have reduce max hp, reduce life regen, reduce defense etc being most common
For non health maybe like, reduce damage, flight time, movement speed?
I cant think of others without straight up adding unique mechanics (eg: the case of regenator, bloodflare core, blood pact)
drowsy plank
again most of these overlap with like... alcohols... like this isn't exactly a new idea
small timber
Yeah alcohols do exist
vestal dagger
reduced mobility sounds the best to me, but an accessory that gives a constant reduction to move speed or flight time in exchange for "adrenaline 2" doesn't sound too fun to use
drowsy plank
adrenaline 2 is just draedon's heart replacing adren with nanomachines
drowsy plank
we've listed so many items at this point lmao
swift wharf
Idk if this is relevant but
I'm pretty sure that at one point
A lore item had that effect
I think it was provi
making you burn constantly
royal tapir
Provi lore reduced your max health
swift wharf
I swear one of them burned you
royal tapir
I know several reduced your life regen, but I don't remember any that actively did DoT
drowsy plank
im gonna be honest this still just sounds like an awful item. like oh boy i could use something that always has an upside or something that sometimes has an upside but mostly actively harms me! like???
small timber
yeah
at the very least I think the suggestion is like... non specific to be acceptable now?
not sure
cobalt pewter
there's a lack of reasoning I feel?
drowsy plank
yeah
the reason the thorn ring even works in DR is things stop targetting noelle and her HP drain caps at 60
keen zodiac
"it would be cool"
small timber
the other suggestion in posting I feel have a lack of reasoning problem is the post-ML homing bullet ones
cobalt pewter
yeah
small timber
from rough testing literally most post-ML guns either ignore bullets or straight up have homing, I had difficulty finding a gun that use normal ammo at all
so the problem is less with the idea of homing bullet, it is the fact that no gun can use it
small timber
oh yeah seems to be deleted
drowsy plank
didnt something about fancy bar color upgrades already pass too
small timber
yes, and is on to-do
in fact I think it already works?
ok it is "display numeric value" not the health upgrade
but ya pretty sure health bar are on to-do
half sage
iirc fancy heart sprites are done but tmod doesn't support custom ones yet
cuz hallam also couldn't incorporate custom fancy hearts for MOR's post ML hp upgrades
small timber
found it
I guess I will ping a mod
@worthy lintel sorry may you help exclaim the "Fancy Health Bar support" suggestion in #suggestions-posting ? since Rover isn't online
iirc a similar suggestion is already approved (above, and a pretty recent one at that) and its implementation is pretty much just waiting for tmodloader support to put it into the game
bitter dove
from rough testing literally most post-ML guns either ignore bullets or straight...
fetid emesis or something like that does use regular bullets, for straight after post ml, there's always vortex beater, storm dragoon too, and i think some others, like Seadragon do use normal bullets (usually alongside their gimmick)
then again
there's also not many
so yea, not much reason to have post ml homing bullets
when bullets become a stat stick
small timber
fetid emesis or something like that does use regular bullets, for straight after...
the suggestions was referring to post provi, but ya from what I find basically only fetid emesis/sdfmg line
bitter dove
yea.
it's like, literally only those two from what i know in my playthrough rn
which kinda sucks but eh
small timber
I think good things is generally weapons have more unique ability that do not depend on the bullet types (since bullets just make every weapon behave the same), but ya in the case of that suggestion
it is literally that not many weapon can even use it to begin with
bitter dove
yea, like, atleast have a couple of lines that have weapons that do use regular bullets, probably besides the gimmick, like Seadragon
half sage
the suggestions was referring to post provi, but ya from what I find basically o...
does onyx chain blaster/onyxia not use normal bullets
small timber
<@288066987819663360> sorry may you help exclaim the "Fancy Health Bar support" ...
oh right
@frail mantle (sorry for pinging 2 mods but not sure if spider is online) ^
small timber
does onyx chain blaster/onyxia not use normal bullets
yes but the suggestion is based on "post-Providence"
since people argued that "if you really cant aim at providence it is an entirely different issue"
supple lance
I know this has been suggested before, but no lore items for 1.4 Bosses, i.e. Empress of Light and Queen Slime yet?
cobalt pewter
the lore items are planned to cease to exist completely once their content is moved to Bestiary entirely
short walrus
not really
short walrus
no, not in the slightest
they will be reworked but they wont be slaughtered completely
short walrus
i think it was always the plan
supple lance
the lore items are planned to cease to exist completely once their content is mo...
Drat, cuz I love reading what Yharim has to say.
short walrus
if you'll read the rest of the convo you'll know that's not the case
hollow shell
Weird suggestion
lethal prism
Certified ripper stacking moment
small timber
yeah
main thing is just I dont think the reasoning is like, very good tbh
the argument is mostly just "we dont have this type of effect, add one please"
omega blue is basically this type of effect, though the suggested accessory dont have to be as detrimental but it is basically the same idea
you use abyssal madness to burst things down with adrenaline while for the rest of the fight you cannot regen life
lethal prism
That gives me an idea for my playthrough actually
There's some brimstone themed mage armor that has it's own ripper, but deals damage to you while active
It's post clone and brimmy I think
Yeah, that one
I should try it on Yharon
Specifically for the ripper
Ofc I'll get oneshotted
Anyways I think adding a ripper accesory would result in quad rippers
Rage + Adrenaline + New Accesory + Brimflame/Omega Blue, for example
And that might become Perfectly Balanced ™️
half sage
plague reaper also has a semi ripper with its set bonus
blind yourself for 5 seconds for +60% ranged damage and 20% ranged crit
golden kayak
Because like, without those 2 accesories, 1 Viral Sprout does like 75 DoT, with ...
Well exactly?
Why does viral sprout both with and without those 2 accs deals 75?
Wouldn't that mean that Crush Depth just deals 75 and 2 others are cancelled? (1 sprout should deal less than 75 tho, I am not sure how you got that, maybe you didn't allow for other debuffs to run out?)
small timber
the clam staff do scale with summon damage right?
from the formula it seems that viral sprout only scale with minion slot/count but not summon damage
golden kayak
Debuff scales with count, damage does scale with damage but it's laughable so ig it does not matter
crude geode
@plush spire [blank] only runs aren't recommended for reasoning
plush spire
Oh my bad
frail mantle
Subclass runs are self imposed challenges that we don’t need to balance the game around
plush spire
Should i delete the message?
frail mantle
You can argue that adding a true melee weapon would improve general melee variety at the tier though
plush spire
I only really want another one since enforcer is the only on tier true melee weapon and more variety would be nice i suppose
small timber
pretty sure there is more than one true melee already
and ya, for yharon enforcer works anyway, you dont need more
I think phase slayer is kinda a true melee but it is weird
small timber
You can argue that adding a true melee weapon would improve general melee variet...
tbh melee weapon have a lot of variety at that tier already
just not particularly true melee iirc
there is these 14, + obliterator and essence flayer which are forgotten in that list
plush spire
I thought phase slayer was post yahron
small timber
but ya I will argue true melee is basically the same as yoyo: you dont need more than one, since they function the same anyway
half sage
I thought phase slayer was post yahron
nah the final arsenal tier is cosmolite/ASE
crude geode
used to be post yharon
frosty trellis
there is these 14, + obliterator and essence flayer which are forgotten in that ...
We both forgot essence flayer lol
But yeah
Post-DoG/Pre Yharon needs less melee weapons
Not more
And phase slayer isn't true melee
half sage
yea it fires projectiles as you swing the thing around, not on hit
small timber
at least phase slayer is not quite cosmic shiv
upbeat yacht
Post-DoG/Pre Yharon needs *less melee weapons*
less weapons in general
skull emoji
(melee is 16 actually, i just forgot empyrean knives)
small timber
and the amount is not going down anytime soon with donor weapon
and I think at least some of them will be post-DoG due to it being the massive tier increase
upbeat yacht
maaaybe this bloat will have a purpose once the DoG subworld rolls out
upbeat yacht
but it's not gonna happen until 2050, and it's just easier to kill the bloat now
frosty trellis
Also mage has 10
upbeat yacht
could've missed some, here's the thing for cross-reference
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cRVe_fN5lQw-FTZ4NG2Rs_6rWToKcEdUrbY1BY1lTtU
frosty trellis
When was prismatic breaker a ranged weapon?
upbeat yacht
frosty trellis
Huh
frosty trellis
I never noticed tbh
upbeat yacht
what about mage weaps?
okay, found it
recitation of the beast and light god's brilliance are missing
frosty trellis
And Primordial Ancient
OH FRACK I MISSED ALPHA RAY IN MY MAGE TESTING
Oooooooops
frosty trellis
Yeah
upbeat yacht
btw, if you have free time, can you check the rest of the doc for any mistakes?
frosty trellis
I can yeah
upbeat yacht
thanks
silk comet
Ngl I kinda missed how when u killed the slime god’s ebonian and crimulian slimes the slime orb itself would attack you, i kinda wanna know why that changed and now the orb kills itself after u defeats the slimes
I mean like how the slime god itself would attack you and a new phase would begin
When you would also have to destroy the slime god’s orb in order to fully defeat the boss
upbeat yacht
apparently it was changed for lore reasons iirc
like, slime god core escapes and infects queen slime
i still think it could've been done without entirely removing the core's phase but what's done is done
can't suggest removed content
is that the official reason?
distant gyro
both and possibly more
upbeat yacht
hm
distant gyro
moreso the fact that core teleported constantly which made half the weapons terrible
silk comet
Ik that we already have meld constructs but it would be cool if we had a fifth lunar pillar for the rogue class, that is in the center of the map, called the Andromeda pillar, which enemies are based off the rogue class and have 'stealth mechanics' that allow some enemies to perform special abilities, as well as turn invisible from afar. I'm not sure what to name the fragments that the pillar would drop, but if anyone here would like to create a unofficial name for that fragment, you're more than welcome to.
small timber
No
Technical hassle to add a 5th pillar
Besides no one like pillar, in fact deus (and astral crate) are literally there so you only have to do pillar once
half sage
is it a technical hassle? cuz tremor had one
I thought people just didn't do it cuz everyone hates pillars
cobalt pewter
adding some enemies exclusive for meld blobs and making deus drop meld blobs would be nice I think
small timber
Just a reminder that making lava slime not drop lava broke the entire game, now we are talking about altering a vanilla event by adding na entirely new pillar
cobalt pewter
but an entire pillar? nah
just slide in some darkness-looking enemies within pillar enemies
acting all sussy
jk uh
byeah
no one really likes pillar even with the cal rework
so even if it's possible, no one would probably do it
still zodiac
is it a technical hassle? cuz tremor had one
I hope the tremor example was a joke
tardy smelt
I'll assume here that, tremor being tremor, the lunar pillar in question was hell on earth to fight
a post-culty meld astral ug subbiome would be cool but besides that I think meld blob gear is best off just being dropped by pillar enemies
small timber
Ideal is pillar miniboss that spawn at high tier (basically shield low hp), but ya the idea is a stretch
tardy smelt
also possible but
adding new content to the pillars in general is kinda 
because they're just not a fun event to go through (especially repeatedly, as you'll need to if you were to move meld to a miniboss like that)
so best just make their method of acquisition simple or move the things away from the direct lunar event itself
swift wharf
I'll assume here that, tremor being tremor, the lunar pillar in question was hel...
not really
it was just hella weird
tardy smelt
mmhm
swift wharf
I actually just noticed it
People shit on the nova pillar cuz tremor
but all other pillars suck just as much
tardy smelt
that's the way of things I suppose :p
devout shell
Wait, they added more pillars in calamity?
Oh wait im dumb and didnt backread far enough
Also, i have a question: are we allowed to post vanity suggestions
eternal escarp
if you have strong reasoning to why a vanity should exist, and the vanity isnt super specific
which in practice would likely mean no to 95% of cases
small timber
(Still would like an aew relic and/or trophy)
a same suggestion is already approved, no point in suggesting a new one
drowsy plank
halibut + weapons rack ez
devout shell
Oh thanks
frail mantle
but all other pillars suck just as much
Yea that’s why people are so against a fifth pillar
The normal event is ass enough as is
drowsy plank
the question isnt why is there no fifth pillar it's how do you make pillars fun
small timber
rework every single pillar enemy into a dreadnautilus type of boss, and have pillars spawn fighter AI minion as the normal enemy to decrease shield HP, pillar "miniboss" spawn at tiers
drowsy plank
i suppose that is basically what every other event does lmao
small timber
yes, the way to make pillar fun is by making it not a pillar event
lethal prism
Specific suggestion moment
frail mantle
@eternal fern it'd be preferable if you were less specific
if the devs decide to accept the suggestion they can figure out finer details like balancing and cooldowns on their own
frail mantle
i was thinking more not specifying any cooldowns or charge times or anything at all
small timber
pretty sure murasama secondary attack is straight up a listed example as a don't in the document
yeah
frail mantle
well that's more of an example for the reference suggestion rule
not necessarily a rule in itself
small timber
I mean...
swift wharf
SLR jumpscare
small timber
ok the red rectangle should had been the entire first paragraph, but ya
that part definitely have to be removed too
swift wharf
(starlight river has the other murasama right)
frail mantle
stars above
swift wharf
I stand corrected
gray nebula
slr doesnt have any murasamas i hope
drowsy plank
@oak sage you don't have to use gold, you can use silver, it's just weaker, and it doesn't... fire the coins. the coins are just bonus damage. you still have a gun?? what do you mean you don't have a weapon?? furthermore, i believe landing the shot gives you increased coin pickup range anyway, and it's so easy to get gold coins at that point in progression?? also also just... don't play master mode. it's bad and calamity isn't balanced around it. AND on top of all of that already, the last thing we need is ANOTHER ammo type to clog up your inventory. people already dont use the pumpkin moon ranged weapons for similar reasons.
drowsy plank
like i guess an accessory that lets you keep more money on death could be useful when you're using weapons like midas prime and the sevens striker, but also like... you choose to play the awful bloat mode lmfao. cal isn't gonna randomly start balancing around master, it's just too poorly designed to salvage WHILE still differentiating it from revengance.
half imp
like i guess an accessory that lets you keep more money on death could be useful...
master is fine in vanilla but it doesn't work well with modded ones yeah
especially revengance
drowsy plank
i do not think master works in vanilla either but w/e, the point is that the weapon is fine, and the money problem isn't an issue during the intended way to play (exp rev)
small timber
Master mode in vanilla is even more garbage because player power scaling is way lower
Vanilla case is that you will die to normal enemy way more than bosses, calamity case is bosses are way more dangerous but normal enemy are ok (but only ok)
half imp
Master mode in vanilla is even more garbage because player power scaling is way ...
yeah but there's also not revengance
calamity is balanced around that being the norm which is harder than expert, same with master rev harder than master
master in vanilla is still very stat bloat, but it's clear that it's meant for just a challenge as there's no ai changes and few gameplay rewards
it's mostly so meh in calamity bc calamity is balanced different and master throws that off while also removing/reducing all master specific incentives (extra accessory, relics, pets/mounts)
frosty trellis
I mean you still get the extra slot pre ml
half imp
yeah that's why I added reducing
proud quest
<@255003422141579266> you don't have to use gold, you can use silver, it's just ...
its def not that easy to get gold coins then
drowsy plank
@eternal fern #bugs-read-pins
proud quest
cal bosses dont drop coins rn
drowsy plank
cal bosses dont drop coins rn
fixed next update, shouldn't change game design around a bug
proud quest
fixed next update, shouldn't change game design around a bug
eh ig
crude geode
fixed next update, shouldn't change game design around a bug
they should have not fixed it and just let people cope with having to find money other ways
drowsy plank
lmfao
regardless the midas prime "problem" isn't a problem with midas, it's a problem with master
either way bees hasn't say anything in chat so i doubt we're going to get any sort of productive convo out of talking about this lmao
i love ding dong ditching!!!
crude geode
insert
@frail mantle does this qualify as not enough reasoning (latest sugg in posting)
hot zephyr
you can't have cool one-off weapons in terraria
you must duplicate the weapon for every single tier until it becomes boring
devout shell
you must duplicate the weapon for every single tier until it becomes boring
What about things like the magic dagger or whatever
Basically a yoyo with inf range tbh
hot zephyr
what
crude geode
that melee weapon that's just rainbow rod/flamelash/magic missile
crude geode
considering I just listed 3 weapons it copycats not really
devout shell
(At least for the melee class)
crude geode
it also may be unique but damn is it forgettable
swift wharf
boomerang
umbral dew
wouldnt it be funny if the boomerang hammer line got reworked to all function like pwnagehammer haha that would be hilarious
swift wharf
true....
umbral dew
its a shame that pwnagehammer is genuinely unique but fallen paladin hammer is just boring boomerang
crude geode
yep
umbral dew
triactis was rogue if i believe
crude geode
it was split
swift wharf
anyways new sug
kindred creek
@serene tendon RoD is super easy to get all things considered. Calamity already reduces grinding enough.
swift wharf
yea
crude geode
and also it made the weapons boring on both classes lol
swift wharf
no stealth strikes 
umbral dew
the final dawn will always be a melee weapon to me
kindred creek
Burning sky (melee)
umbral dew
clearly burning sky is a melee weapon and i see no issues with it
swift wharf
yes
kindred creek
Melee at this point is just mage with no mana
kindred creek
Ranger is mage but with bullets instead of mana
Rogue is mage but using consumables and throwing weapons instead of mana
serene tendon
<@!798699298064695306> RoD is super easy to get all things considered. Calamity ...
It's not the grind that's the issue, it feels weird to get such an important tool through NPCs. The closest thing there is to it in Calamity or Vanilla is the Ice Rod
swift wharf
or buy it
a shrimple as that
also rod isn't that important you can beat bosses without it
crude geode
bosses and npcs are equally as blegh
kindred creek
Most bosses are easily possible without rod
serene tendon
also rod isn't that important you can beat bosses without it
Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's reasonable
crude geode
in terms of moving content to them
swift wharf
Most bosses are easily possible without rod
all bosses are
they're tested without rod
kindred creek
Rod is a non-necessary item that is kind an “it’d be nice”
swift wharf
byeah the suggestion is fine
I don't think anyone is gonna vote for it tho
finding the wizard/gelatin crystal has pretty much the same rng
kindred creek
Alright, ima post a suggestion asking to remove astrum aureus
swift wharf
100 morbillion stars
umbral dew
Alright, ima post a suggestion asking to remove astrum aureus
extremely based
swift wharf
finding the wizard/gelatin crystal has pretty much the same rng
and one doesn't require a boss
serene tendon
Just make a simple hollowed mob farm and afk
If I wanted to get things through waiting and doing nothing for 10+ hours I'd play a mobile game
umbral dew
use cheatsheet den
crude geode
finding the wizard/gelatin crystal has pretty much the same rng
those things. aren't really comparable.
serene tendon
use cheatsheet den
I would prefer a legit way
kindred creek
Bruh, with a battle potion (or whatever it’s called) it goes super quick.
umbral dew
zerg potion
swift wharf
fair enough, wizard is kind of easier to find 
serene tendon
Bruh, with a battle potion (or whatever it’s called) it goes super quick.
Depends on your luck, though most of the annoyance is setting it up
crude geode
kind of?
umbral dew
rod in calamity is piss easy
crude geode
spawn increasers exist
swift wharf
ik
umbral dew
get wizard make box in hallow and voilla you have rod
swift wharf
- wizard spawns in any biome
kindred creek
Is the drop chance of Rod the same in vanilla and calamity?
serene tendon
spawn increasers exist
Yeah, it's much less annoying than Vanilla and I'm grateful for that
kindred creek
You can find wizard during early hardmode caving for cobalt.
Like it’s kinda a passive thing that just happens
swift wharf
another thing, making RoD an EoL drop would just lead to inventory clutter
People already have one by then so getting more would just be annoying
umbral dew
also get lifeform analyzer
serene tendon
another thing, making RoD an EoL drop would just lead to inventory clutter
Peopl...
Boss Lore only drops once, this could work exactly the same
swift wharf
like when DoG dropped rod
kindred creek
Also, making it an EoL drop is kinda pointless if you’re playing on rev+ because eol is kinda bullshit.
kindred creek
Bruh, the happiness system 💀
swift wharf
how much is rod
serene tendon
how much is rod
Only 8 plat now
swift wharf
huh
kindred creek
You get metric ass loads of money in calamity
serene tendon
At least in the old days it was your life savings you were putting into it
kindred creek
One blood moon with a Zerg potion
swift wharf
or farm x boss
umbral dew
get reforges back from bandit and get tax collector
kindred creek
Farm BoC since they’re the most time to money efficient
swift wharf
get reforges back from bandit and get tax collector
4683 platinum because glitch 
hollow shell
mmm I don't like the proposed solution for RoD
Take it out of a flawed system to put it in a painfully over-represented system
crude geode
yeah
golden kayak
10 plat is nothing
So i dunno
Sounds accessible to me for probably the strongest tech tool in the game
half imp
rip
half imp
if only it was faster and had more range
hollow shell
(My current pt beat ML recently and I am still using Hook of Dissonance)
(Which is both a good and bad thing)
frosty trellis
Hook of Dissonance is perfectly fine until bobbit imo
Has some interesting upsides since no chaos state
Using it on my rogue pt rn and it's been working just fine for me
hollow shell
Most notable downside is that it prevents the usage of disengaging-hook-pull-momentum
frosty trellis
Yeah fair
Which before DoG not a lot of bosses would really need that thankfully
Would probably be better to sue bat hook on Fishron and PBG but I digress
hollow shell
Less for bosses and more for base movement
frosty trellis
Fair enough
swift wharf
rest in peace hook of discord from weapon out
hollow shell
Long live the Normality Relocator 
devout shell
~~Long live the Normality Relocator~~ <:TrollModerate:836371623190855741>
Ok now use THAT in the abyss
Hilarity ensues
hollow shell
funny
frosty trellis
~~Long live the Normality Relocator~~ <:TrollModerate:836371623190855741>
Ah yes, the worse RoD because why would I want more chaos state and even more fall speed when I already am not the biggest fall of the drop speed from RoD
If I want fall speed saddles and portal guns work just fine
random pasture
Less buttons to push
frosty trellis
Yeah absolutely not
fossil finch
it
(can) Confuse new players
Doesn't make thematical sense anwyays, it's all brimstone flames, its not gonna change color randomly
doesn't really mean anything outside of the context of dokuro's video and the music boxes, which a lot of player won't know about
frosty trellis
Lets not make SCal harder than she needs to be
The red background bug was horrible enough as is to be able to dodge the bh's
fossil finch
it also does in absolutely no way help "the fight's perspective" because the fights perspective is kinda unrelated to the music and is changed arbitrarily unlike the music anyways
uh
the tint still is red
the red backgroung bug isn't a red background bug
cobalt pewter
plus the videos on dok's channel is non-canon
fossil finch
it was a no background bug
cobalt pewter
the red filter in scal fight is intended for visibility help
changing it to random shit will not
make sens
frosty trellis
The bug when the shadow-black background disappeared and the entire thing was tinted red and it was horrible to see anything?
fossil finch
it wouldn't make sense but it wouldnt make it ultra hard visually because youd just change the tint i guess
that would clash with the mainly red sprites though
scal is and has never stopped being always tinted red
frosty trellis
Neko that's not what I mean
fossil finch
it's the black background what makes the projectiles visible, tint or no tint is irrelevant
frosty trellis
Yeah
So
Don't change that
Please
When that bug was around at the lanch of 2.0 it was the worst
fossil finch
theyre not asking to change the black background
frosty trellis
Oh
fossil finch
so what's your point
fossil finch
they're asking to change the color tint from red to the other colors
frosty trellis
Especially since the lore is getting reworked anyways
fossil finch
at least that's what i assume
it would still clash with the red sprites probably
and just make no thematical sense lmao
also the change of contrast from one phase to another can and probably would mess someone up
cobalt pewter
I don't think rod dropping from EoL is much better
you're basically just retiering it to post Golem, I mean ig that's better tha silly economy
honestly RoD is just
jank™
just make it post-ML and make NR shadowspec
that'll solve problems
surely
fossil finch
just go back in time and remove rod
cobalt pewter
TRUE
fossil finch
you assume removing rod has no effect on the state of current dog
frozen hornet
Rev DoG requires rod?
frosty trellis
Doens't require
But make the laser walls in phase 2 not unreasonable
Well, less unreasonable and more on the unfair side
frozen hornet
Well then change the fight then lol..
frosty trellis
Currently have that in voting rn
frosty trellis
I mean I bet he wasn't
But the laser walls in rev phase 2 are insanely annoying to dodge and super laggy for no reason
proud quest
is it a bad suggestion to suggest adding another potion for rogue buffs other than invisibility potions?
its kinda hard to tell where my character is during boss fights when im mainly using stealth strikes
proud quest
But make the laser walls in phase 2 not unreasonable
i say just keep moving horizontally and dont dodge the vertical lasers
if thats intended anyways
frosty trellis
is it a bad suggestion to suggest adding another potion for rogue buffs other th...
Invisibility, Shadow, Crumbling, Penumbra AND Shattering exist
proud quest
Invisibility, Shadow, Crumbling, Penumbra AND Shattering exist
i cant get any of those pre hardmode
besides invis
frosty trellis
Well
It's pre hardmode
Not going to be the most class heavy buff part of the game
🤷
proud quest
idk shit feels weird
id suggest adding a character outline with the invis potion but that wouldnt make it invisible
fossil finch
invis potion is losing its rogue buffs and shadow potion is no longer gonna make the player invisible+ it's gonna be obtainable earlier
so it doesnt matter i thin
proud quest
invis potion is losing its rogue buffs and shadow potion is no longer gonna make...
oh
is that in the changelogs
distant gyro
87-89
small timber
@thorn dock pretty sure laudanum works
For pure obstructed vision debuff
For vul hex and plague version of obstructed vision I think it works differently and is not nearly as punishing, you just have to have some torches and it is not a big deal
swift wharf
for plague you have 3 accs
thorn dock
swift wharf
and yeah hex is only inflicted by 3 things so like
small timber
@waxen flower I know other people already mention this but the suggestion make no sense
Music video are non-cannon as stated, and the colour that DM Dokuro use is pretty much just so the video dont become boring with only one colour tint, in actual gameplay functionality is way more important (aka actually being able to see the attack)
Scal also never have anything related blue or even orange colour in anyway, and the suggestion's main argument will basically lead to "if crabulon's music video use trippy visual should the crabulon fight just straight up give the player odd mishroom effect the entire fight because 'it fits the music video and boss theme' "
grim tusk
Invis and shadow exist for pre-hm
Although something good will happen for these 2 besides the current #changelogs changes
@hollow shell could you update the pinned testers list for my new name and # code
hollow shell
Yeah sure
distant gyro
subclass distinction dies
grim tusk
Recipe changed to bottle and shadow fish can be fished anywhere at night
cobalt pewter
subclass distinction dies
I think that's in changelogs already yea
radiant meadow
not in space!
radiant meadow
cuz those are more recent changes
cobalt pewter
ahh
radiant meadow
like 2 days ago or something
distant gyro
changelogs are delayed (no way)
drowsy plank
so invis isnt a rogue pot anymore?
radiant meadow
you will notice that change 88 only says Shadow Potion though
I asked Fab to edit that
radiant meadow
so invis isnt a rogue pot anymore?
ye
grim tusk
Coin of deceit’s new nerf is not as bad as the previous one
(It sucked so fucking much after stealth regen was buffed, so we had to reduce the nerf and give it the crit back)
swift wharf
invis is back to being useless
cobalt pewter
Coin of deceit’s new nerf is not as bad as the previous one
(It sucked so fuckin...
ahh
radiant meadow
we decided it's not healthy for a class potion to have its buff removed on hit
distant gyro
good
cobalt pewter
invis is back to being useless<:trol:855770761490595870>
as it should be
distant gyro
invis is like flask of party
swift wharf
true....
distant gyro
used for prime trolling
radiant meadow
Invis lowkey worse tho
cobalt pewter
the trollage
radiant meadow
@golden kayak By the way, the next update completely rewrites fishing code so the fishing catch chances of everything changes.
cobalt pewter
oh?
radiant meadow
particularly for Stuffed Fish
we don't touch the vanilla stuff outside of the accessories
small timber
Oh right are the coin line nerf "you need yo hsve full bar to use stealth but only consume eg 50%" or basically just current version but have nerfed numbers before dgs?
I initially thought it is the first but from the sounds of it apparently not
radiant meadow
the latter
small timber
Oh so the main nerf is just no guaranteed crit (and for ruin medallion become 75%) then, still pretty big deal though
grim tusk
@alpine oasis suggestion needs a title
cobalt pewter
also cell generation is ENTIRELY passive
just plop down like
3 of those cell generators (?)
swift wharf
should've placed factories earlier....
cobalt pewter
you're bound to get 2 cell generators going to sunken sea lab
small timber
<@781210537710583861> suggestion needs a title
@alpine oasis And also the balancing amount of the cell used is so that you put down factory earlier and it is easily enough
It is literally only bad IF you search every single lab last minute post yharon, which is not intended, you should have access to lab and therefore factory as early as sunken sea (post-desert scourge)
And if you are that desperate can also use zerg potion in lab and kill the repair units
cobalt pewter
yoink them, take them to your base, and just leave them be until you need to use them post skelly
alpine oasis
I understand that is possible, but it just doesn't make sense that they need this many power cells for absolutely no reason other than to slow you down if you forget to do it earlier
short walrus
Sucks to suck then I guess
small timber
Because the amount is not a problem
You put down the factory at desert scourge, before even finishing hardmode you will have like 20k ready (probably way more, I dont keep track of the number)
Schematic is literally the only thing that even come to close to spending that amount of cells
hollow shell
(and just in case it wasn't clear, you don't need to have the UI open while it decodes
The wait times were designed such that you can go and do other things while the decoding occurs)
fossil finch
Isn't this kinda big scoped and a lot of concrete reason Isn't provided
small timber
It sounds interesting but ya, too big scope
fossil finch
Specially on the why calamity part considering this seems like something a major overhaul mod would do
small timber
And the tldr might become mobs are more passive/aggressive at night
fringe oar
Specially on the why calamity part considering this seems like something a major...
Yeah
I thought it would be an addition to calamity instead of something else (like a separate overhaul mod) because of all the immersion and environment based efforts that the mod devs put into calamity, from the music to the intricate enemy spawns based on progression with biomes becoming harder after certain bosses, etc.
One of the interesting mechanics of early prehm is the increased enemy spawns and danger during the night (or varying times) but it kind of loses its zeal when it basically stops existing until earlyhm, and then just disappears again until forever and is never utilized
fossil finch
Those efforts aren't as great you think they are they're very generic and very much just copy vanilla for the most part, at least for now
Also i don't get your point with music, i guess it's more immersive because its more "themed" and less "silly" unlike vanilla but there's no specific efforts there either
small timber
Ya just enemy spawn should be easy yo change, but at the sametime I think that already happen
Night just have increased spawn rate in general currently
fringe oar
Ya just enemy spawn should be easy yo change, but at the sametime I think that a...
Yeah I stated that in the suggestion
small timber
It is just the threat of a zombie when you have copper shortsword vs a wraith when you have HM weapons and wings is different
drowsy plank
i guess this couldn't hurt? and all things considered there's already stuff like demon eyes spawning more during full moons so
i doubt it'd be too hard??
small timber
So the change will pretty much only relevant for very early preHM, then fall off there a lot
drowsy plank
i just doubt it's gonna get much traction in voting
fossil finch
Also cosmolight isn't available in the entirety of pre hardmode so time based harder parts kinda sucky
fringe oar
It's fine if it doesn't I was just pitching an idea I think is interesting
fossil finch
The player suddenly has to deal with a mechanic that just incentives waiting
small timber
For me different enemy spawning kinda already does that, not all biomes have that but at the sametime dont exactly just want to multiply mob counts in all biome
Of course you can go more in depth (eg the more aggressive or passive behavior as you say) though applying them to most surface mobs will be too big scope
fringe oar
Yeah thats true, I just thought it wouldnt be too insane of an addition because things such as revengeance and death mode already introduce more aggressive enemy AIs and they seem to switch pretty smoothly whenever you switch the difficulty mode
fossil finch
The player suddenly has to deal with a mechanic that just incentives waiting
You could say "do other things" but if the player wants to farm x and they have to get cucked because this kinda random unprecented mechanic that has them wait it'll be kinda bad
Codebreaker has you do other things but in this case it's along natural progression and it can be literally any other action in the game, if the player wants x loot but they can't get to it because the spawn rates are greater from 7 pm to 9 am for some random reason they'll probably just be mad
cobalt pewter
this sugg is way too much effort for something that's fundamentally broken ig
(aggro is stoopi)
fossil finch
There's no real time management in terraria as is so these kind of situations don't really work, basically
drowsy plank
well there are herbs :)
fringe oar
For enemy spawns I was really suggesting that instead of increasing dramatically during a certain time they would instead be decreased during certain times
And then the time with the "higher" spawn rates would just be the current default
fossil finch
herbs aren't time management they're wait
drowsy plank
true
fossil finch
Drastically different things
fringe oar
because enemy spawn rates are pretty high as they are rn
fossil finch
same in this situation really
fringe oar
Though I can understand that it would adopt the same issues
maybe if for some reason the player wants to fight 50 antlions or whatever enemy is supposed to spawn
swift wharf
I don't think the player would really notice this
fringe oar
Alright, well thank you all for giving feedback
ashen warren
with your spiel Shamrock I feel like titan heart drops should also be slightly higher
i guess making them more common already solves that hough
though*
small timber
Titan heart is already very common
PostCultist their spawn rate is multiplied, if you mean just for the titan hear armor you only need 3, if you sre in a hurry can also use zerg and you will get it pretty fast
fossil finch
I'm pretty sure titan heart is 100%?
distant gyro
i found myself with like 40 titan hearts each playthrough
fossil finch
lol true
distant gyro
it is 100%
grave zincBOT
@digital saddle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Rework the stacking functionality of Raider's Talisman / Nanotech]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
crude geode
intriguing
radiant meadow
no more raider's
short walrus
Wh
radiant meadow
no it's reworked
grim tusk
Hybrid rogue sweep
radiant meadow
its new function is inherited by nanotech
cobalt pewter
and I'll assume the changelogs will explain the rework a bit?
crude geode
no, you just never get the rework until it's in game
hot zephyr
what's happening to it
I submitted a request/idea to rework Raider's Talisman
Ben implemented it
(No, it isn't my rework suggestion from 2019, that one was cringe.)
short walrus
Ok cool
cobalt pewter
I submitted a request/idea to rework Raider's Talisman
Ben implemented it
ooh
cobalt pewter
no, you just never get the rework until it's in game
wtf!!!!!!!!
cobalt pewter
hell yea
hot zephyr
The rework was an idea I had for a long time, but it wouldn't have been useful in the old stealth system
cobalt pewter
intriguing
fossil finch
Coolio
small timber
Finally no more 30% increased damage funny accessory
radiant meadow
and I'll assume the changelogs will explain the rework a bit?
depends on how Fab goes about changelogs
but if he asks me to compile my changes again, then no
pay up $20 if you want the details
hot zephyr
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scenic trout
Cool
scenic trout
I just find it funny
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distant gyro
craftable, thanks to @radiant meadow for the smelly recipe
crude geode
Malice mode reasoning
novel belfry
Malice Moment
crude geode
Also it was using an incredibly bugged weapon as reasoning
novel belfry
even then, it's really lags behind other choices
hollow shell
That suggestion is from 7 months ago.
distant gyro
the better question is why tag a 7-month old suggestion
novel belfry
yeah
small timber
I think it was less malice but more that at the time a lot of balance suggestion got rejected
novel belfry
<@513915633969397781> - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
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it was this
i looked into it, decided to scroll down, and found that the cold divinity sugg was rejected
small timber
I assume probably because many of them do not provide enough prove/actual stats or even gear used, and just say "yo this weapon weak buff NOW"
novel belfry
it's rather fortunate that we can just instead ping the beta testers instead of having to wait a long time
inner anvil
Like <@427093633456537629> to test cold divinity
Busy lately.
crude geode
Fair
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hollow shell
@fringe oar Your suggestion can work, but you'll need to edit it a bit
Your big list of possibilities should be reduced to just one or two short examples. The majority of any suggestion's text should be the reason why, with much less emphasis on the suggester's exact ideas for execution
Fuck
Shoulda told the most recent voting transfer to remove that bit about the true melee run
hot zephyr
Something something mother of all omelettes
solid skiff
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ayoooooooo
now we hope for the best
golden kayak
<@357570640544399361> By the way, the next update completely rewrites fishing co...
I see, thank you!
Should I delete the suggestion?
keen zodiac
<@938231636393328711> Your suggestion can work, but you'll need to edit it a bit...
isn't it a don't to suggest adding a weapon before a boss to make challenge runs easier
keen zodiac
i meant to reply to the one below
cobalt pewter
ah
safe oasis
#suggestions-voting message
how did this get past this channel 🤨
small timber
I am not sure actually
distant gyro
maximum trolling on that suggestion by buffing close range damage on weapons that are deliberately not true melee to mess with true melee challenge runners
frail mantle
Fuck
Shoulda told the most recent voting transfer to remove that bit about the t...
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small timber
tbh I hate the idea of true melee weapon anyway, or at least what is considered by the public as "true melee" because it deals true melee damage
many weapon play around the same range or at least the same style by true melee weapon get to deal 5x damage because it is a broadsword
distant gyro
id like to rebel against the true melee purist
ruby plover
True melee is just a “oh wait, I’m close to the enemy, now’s my chance to get some extra damage”
And you can be more risky to have that happen more often
But if you are going for only true melee hits, all the time, that’s on you
drowsy plank
i think
that one passed cause the bot was down at the time
so no one flagged it
cause i swear we had a mod talking about how that was against the rules in here lmao
silk comet
I think we should add lore (items) for the 1.4 bosses (queen slime, deerclops and eol), since they are kind of excluded slightly in 1.4 calamity and could use some backstory (e.g slime god possessing queen slime, and others)
small timber
lore is being moved to bestiary I think
and eventually they will remove all lore items and we will only have bestiary
swift wharf
deerclops lore will be added when calamity releases for DST
distant gyro
yharim in dst
swift wharf
omw to kill yharim with an axe and a walking cane
bitter dove
yep nope what i had put did not sound correct nope not at all.
frail mantle
buoyant idol
@viscid badge
half sage
prince is donator so get trolled