suggestions-discussion

[gray nebula]

@fair stump you can delete your sugg 👍

[hollow shell]

Nice to know it was that easy

[gray nebula]

detours my beloved

ok it seems the abyss just generates walls beneath the sulf sea

like in general all the walls above sulf sea level

[hollow shell]

The Farlands

[gray nebula]

digging turtles my beloved

actually theres so much abyss that

wow

[fossil finch]

Astral bg jumpscare

[fair stump]

ok thanks so much!

[gray nebula]

@open meadow what was the size of your world

where you got the abyss walls bug

[frosty trellis]

Sick!

[open meadow]

I always do Large

[gray nebula]

based

tho what the fuck

the abyss gravel bug only happens in small/large worlds

medium worlds are fine

well at least i generated 2 medium worlds and neither had the bug whereas the small and large ones i got had it

[open meadow]

Interesting

[gray nebula]

good news i found the line of code that generates the buggy walls

bad news its uncommented and is filled with decompiler vomit

do you agree with him?

Weirdly enough this happens in the abyss island code

[drowsy plank]

fun

[gray nebula]

so its probs decompiler garbage from floating island code

[crude geode]

Huh

[gray nebula]

don't ask me how abyss islands can affect the walls of whats going on above tho

[fossil finch]

The solution to this obviously is unique abyss gen

[hollow shell]

My FAVORITE

[gray nebula]

so true ender

Eventuallytm

tbh the abyss code is fucking painful to read through given how hardcodey some of it is

like fun fact the islands do not fully generate randomly, theres just 5 different "variants " and then said variants end up generating randomy

[hollow shell]

wew

[hot zephyr]

abyss gen code is

a bit old

[hollow shell]

Not sure if this falls under "quality-based resprite" or not

I think it's fine?

[drowsy plank]

hey do the devs already know about frostbrand

someone posted it as viable until golem on class setups and i thought it was a joke but i was trying it and uh

well i get why they did it

but a sword from the beginning of hardmode you can get from ice mimics
prolly should not do that

[hollow shell]

I haven't thought about that sword in a while

[drowsy plank]

it went from 49 to 150 damage

with frostburn

[cobalt pewter]

true melee

tr

[drowsy plank]

no i mean it shoots a proj

[gray nebula]

me when 3 separate variables for the exact same thing

and me when that PositionXAgain2 looks suspiciously like it should be islandPositionY instead

[drowsy plank]

"Again"

[gray nebula]

makes no sense to have 3 variables for X and only one for Y

m

yeah its used as a Y position in a bunch of places

[drowsy plank]

@open meadow that's already planned with the sunken sea rework

[gray nebula]

and its used as a base for this

aka if will go from going to the left of the island (as X coordinates, but interpreting it as Y coordinates) down to the island Y's position + 20

[open meadow]

Gotcha, appreciate the confirmation

[drowsy plank]

np

this code is the funniest thing to read

[gray nebula]

so if the island position Y is like 500 tiles below the top of the world, but only 50 tiles to the left of the world, it'll just

check for walls

from the very top of the world (50 tiles below the sky) to 500 below the sky

which makes it notice allllllll the tiles from the sulf sea

and go "oh shit tiles, i need to put a backwall here"

[hollow shell]

oo
So, source of the issue discovered and fixable?

[gray nebula]

yes

[drowsy plank]

hell yeah

[gray nebula]

though kinda weird that it also has the issue on the left side of the world

[crude geode]

The problem with trasher sugg is that it isn’t that rare of an enemy.

[frosty trellis]

It's the rarest of all phm sulfurus sea enemies, spawns the angler, and does way to much damage for no reason and I would like to know one is around and trying to block phaze towards me and 2 tap me with statiginal armor

[drowsy plank]

truly the enemy ever

[unborn oriole]

I litterally got 5 trashers behind my arse just by fishing for stuff at the sulph sea

They're not rare at all

[hollow shell]

Uh hm

Not sure how to feel about this suggestion
In terms of the scope and vanilla overwriting

[fossil finch]

Dd does something very similar to this

Scope wise it's not very hard to change the way the strips generate
I feel the overwriting could be much more of a concern

[grave zinc]

@open meadow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow mining of Sulphurous Walls above a certain height limit]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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[hollow shell]

(On that topic, the Freq Sugg section of the Dont's doc with the biome spread bullet, that first note may not be relevant anymore in our modern post-1.4 day)

[open meadow]

:D

[hollow shell]

In fact I might ask the devs to go over the Don'ts doc and discuss whether some things should be removed, cuz there are fairly old entries on there

[fossil finch]

yeah specially those relating to fear of changing vanilla stuff

[frosty trellis]

Begone Evil doesn't do shit if the hallow/evil spawns in the jungle in the first place, so yeah kek

[fossil finch]

.... i really want you guys to rewrite vanilla bestiary entries for calamity

[hollow shell]

That's probably possible

[fossil finch]

It definitely is I've seen it before

[frosty trellis]

That's like

500+ mobs

But fair

[fossil finch]

obv not all of them lol

[hollow shell]

Prolly not all of them but like, lore conflicting ones

[fossil finch]

Only the relevant/conflicting ones yeah

Like mechs

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[hollow shell]

Also @wintry gale For balancing suggestions, just ping one of the testers in this channel.
There is a list of testers in the pins

[frosty trellis]

Isn't specter rifle being abit op already known by the testers?

[hollow shell]

I thought it was already nerfed for 2.0.1

So maybe it still needs looking at

[frosty trellis]

Let me go see that

Bc I don't remember seeing that at all

[safe oasis]

also why did we assign a male gender to a gun in this suggestion

[frosty trellis]

When I looked at the wiki

[wintry gale]

thx i guess

[hollow shell]

(presumably a translation thing)

[safe oasis]

true

[hollow shell]

@hot zephyr @inner anvil
Spectre Rifle, how is it

[hot zephyr]

Isn't this still an issue of Spectre Rifle inheriting the buffs to the projectile?

[frosty trellis]

Just looked at the wiki changelog and nothing about specter rifle is said with the weapon nerfs and stuff

[frosty trellis]

Sorry what?

[hollow shell]

Maybe. Was it not fixed in time for the update?

[drowsy plank]

hey if we have testers here can someone look at frostbrand too

[frosty trellis]

Mind me not knowing things, didn't use specter rifle on my personal ranger run

[drowsy plank]

pls

[inner anvil]

Never tried that weapon, excuse me.

[hot zephyr]

Spectre Rifle inherits the Spectre projectile from the staff. 1.4 buffed the staff to hit three times, instead of once.

[frosty trellis]

So it's doing 3x as much damage as intended?

That's crazy

[hot zephyr]

I'm pretty sure

I haven't really been that active x.x

[drowsy plank]

that's what people have said

[frosty trellis]

I would have to see on that end, but unfortunately cannot play terraria so can't see myself

[native nebula]

Always wild how otherwise innocuous shortcuts like that that are totally untroubling at the time but become issues later

[drowsy plank]

but please can someone see if frostbrand is over performing, someone added it to class setups from pre-mechs to post-golem and i tried it myself and it does seem kinda ridiculous

[frosty trellis]

^

[hot zephyr]

@pastel crow

I won't be around for awhile, so I'll pass this onto you

[pastel crow]

alright

[drowsy plank]

cool

[hot zephyr]

Make a super trolling suggestion to remove Calamity's true melee damage sources (gauntlets, fungal symbiote, counter scarf) because the state of the mod's balance has made them unnecessary

Especially as more weapons get made that exist in a gray area or simply do not use the True Melee system at all.

[drowsy plank]

but how else is classy cane supposed to be viable??

honestly i wouldnt be suprised if they were removed

[gray nebula]

yeah true melee should just

deal better damage outright

cuz its riskier

[fossil finch]

SO REAL SO TRUE

[gray nebula]

instead of being like "kinda higher damage kinda not and also it means it gets extra buffs from some accs which make them now super necessary

[fossil finch]

Fuck true melee damage type so much

[hot zephyr]

is it time for me to repost and revise my testing feedback post about scrapping true melee.....

[hot zephyr]

It's actually four types of damage

[drowsy plank]

what

[fossil finch]

I know but like

[hot zephyr]

[fossil finch]

Melee speed and melee no speed is ok it's fine that's technical

[frail mantle]

melee, melee no speed, true melee, true melee no speed

[hot zephyr]

although to shed more insight, Ozz's solution fits well without disrupting the current state of balance

[drowsy plank]

im gonna kill someone what the fuck

i love terraria code

[fossil finch]

but we DON'T FUCKING neeD true melee to be a separated damage type

It's not terraria code

It's tmod api and it's perfectly fine because it allows for more flexibility on weapons

[hot zephyr]

It's an inelegant solution that was a necessary evil given the development cycle of TML and the Calamity 1.4 port.

[fossil finch]

And saves people headaches about zenith having melee speed

[drowsy plank]

ah fair

[fossil finch]

however!

It's still kinda stupid

[hot zephyr]

It won't last forever

At least, that's my prediction

[fossil finch]

@sand umbra made them didn't he? He'd know more

[hot zephyr]

True melee is kinda rapidly becoming more of a relic when Calamity was more afraid to modify how vanilla weapons worked

[sand umbra]

WHO THE [$5.99] WANTS ME NOW?

[fossil finch]

True melee damage type funny calamity mod 1.4 balance

anyways you know what i don't like?
How tm balancing was done in 1.5

It's literally peak boss centrism

[sand umbra]

alright, jokes aside, what's goin' on

[gray nebula]

also i

[sand umbra]

why have I been summoned

[hot zephyr]

As we begin to toy with class mechanics (especially with the melee speed gradient) I wouldn't be surprised if True Melee as a damage type becomes deprecated

[gray nebula]

also i mean true melee still needed to do the adren nerf because funny burst damage

youve been summoned because hi hii haiiiiii ^_^

does the ItemID.Sets.Spears do anything functional

[drowsy plank]

we're talking about the 4 melee damage types and killing true melee exceptions

[fossil finch]

because funny api you know more about

[sand umbra]

for vanilla spears, it makes sure they can still be affected by melee speed as they are in vanilla

for modded spears, by default, it does nothing, although you're more than welcome to check against it for spear-related effects

[fossil finch]

(And comments like these because i just wanted to ask you about them

[gray nebula]

ok cool

[sand umbra]

it's a bit of an icky implementation, but

the alternative is somehow bringin' content tags back from the dead
which I just don't feel like dealin' with to fix a single tML bug

[gray nebula]

i just wanted to know cuz like i have a custom spear and id ont want to set it to be a "spear" and then it ends p breaking how it works

but thats nice

i had an idea for a thing that buffs spears specifically which is nice

[drowsy plank]

based

[drowsy plank]

i love seeing people include diagrams with their suggs

it's the best

[fossil finch]

Oh boy one of those suggs that instantly get shot down

[frosty trellis]

I mean, it's giving examples of what could be rather than it should be

I don't see how DoG isn't unique as a worm boss though

Especially compared to EoW and destroyer

DoG already does the rift thing in phase 2 and 3

Kinda

[hollow shell]

m
@open meadow Way too broad, too much dedicated to example ideas

Would probably be better to just focus on one of the worms at a time, and narrow your title down to refer to their movement patterns instead of reworking the whole fight

[swift wharf]

• only two suggestions per day

[safe oasis]

sketch only has 2 suggestions in posting wdym

[hot zephyr]

one was deleted

[frosty trellis]

Ye

The most recent one was deleted

[open meadow]

I would like to apologize

Today is my day off and I've spent almost all day playing Calamity so it's on my mind

and also my mind is fried from playing all day

[frosty trellis]

LOL

It's cool

Man I wish I could play some calamity rn

[swift wharf]

are we not gonna talk about the weapon balance suggestion

[crude geode]

@hollow shell balance sugg

[hollow shell]

Spacer's?

[cobalt pewter]

the spectre rifle one I assume yes

I think ian said it might have something to do with the vanilla buffs to spectre staff projectile

[hollow shell]

Aight yeah I pinged testers about that earlier
I figured Spacer would delete it themselves but, w/e I put an exclam on it now

[cobalt pewter]

though I think personally Spectre Rifle would be more interesting if it mostly behaves like a normal rifle until it hits anything, then starts chasing enemies like mad

if I'm correct it's just Spectre Staff but gun atm

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[pastel crow]

1. Most regular broadswords got buffed by melee speed, this "OP-ness" is not unique to frosatbrand
2. A lot of Post Plant - Pre ML melee weapons are not good because they have yet to be properly balanced compared to Pre Plant melee weapons that were balanced before and have gotten various small but very influential changes since their initial balancing.

[hot zephyr]

heh

OPness

[drowsy plank]

works for me, thanks for investigating. so i guess the answer here really is just "wait for balancing to be finished", since in general melee weapons for these tiers are being looked over, yeah?

[pastel crow]

yep

[small timber]

not sure if the suggestion is a bit too specific, but ya, not sure how to make it less specific without scrapping the idea

[crude geode]

mana flower (cringe)

[grim tusk]

Mana on hit… hmm where have I seen this before??? (Mana cuffs+and partially mana cloak) Although Cal adding its own twists to this would be an interesting concept

[gray nebula]

BUFFING THE ROVER DRIVE??,!!

i thought it was nice

[small timber]

@wary hamlet formatting, need to include reasoning in your suggestion

and ya, Rover Drive is good?

[wary hamlet]

Just found out it can't be repaired while the shield is damaged, just want it to be changed

[small timber]

that is intended, because otherwise it will be extremely broken

[cobalt pewter]

Rover Drive is good as it is

[small timber]

it is either:
can be repaired while damage, but the cooldown is much longer (so it basically just become a worse dodge)
or
cannot be repaired while damage, but short cooldown (now)

[cobalt pewter]

it's meant to be used insanely early game

[small timber]

there is always a trade off, and considering it is insanely early game you cannot make it too good

[cobalt pewter]

and the 50hp shield is basically +50% hp with no life crystals

[small timber]

(and I will already consider the current version too good)

[cobalt pewter]

10s of nohitting is nothing for its recovery

[wary hamlet]

Well alright, maybe you're right

[gray nebula]

use wulfrum droids to repair it super slowly

😇

or unequip it and re requip it and then you can wait 10s for it to regenrerate

[drowsy plank]

wait do the summons from controller heal rover shield

[gray nebula]

slowly but yes

[drowsy plank]

...shit i might need to include that on class setups

lmfao

[wary hamlet]

Oh okay that actually helpes me a lot to know, thank you

[sand ermine]

@cursive hearth wrong format

[small timber]

too specific and too niche too

(and to certain degree that it just prove that king slime was a literal walk forward simulator)

[drowsy plank]

also asking for a donor for another... um. well the guinea pig isnt a person but the owner who set it up is, and it would be them who would get the item and if the devs haven't done it themselves i dont think they're going to now

new king slime teleport changes kinda fix that anyway

[cursive hearth]

How to bold messages pls

[drowsy plank]

that's not the issue here buddy

maybe read the rest of the convo and also the rules

[cursive hearth]

Well I mean I know the issue

[drowsy plank]

bolding is just **words**

words

like so

[cursive hearth]

K thx

It’s only a bit till a Guinea pig is able to beat the exo-mechs

[drowsy plank]

this sugg is still gonna get flagged by the mods

i was hoping you'd just delete it

[hollow shell]

I don't even know what this is referring to

[drowsy plank]

lemme see if i can find it

[small timber]

someone posted a king slime no hit with his guinea pig holding the d button on a summoner set up

that is the tldr, it is just a meme

[drowsy plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wux4CsjkqOs

[hollow idol]

This is a very good idea
I approve

[small timber]

oh ya it will fit calval definitely

[frosty trellis]

Wait what

[drowsy plank]

just add it to calval ez

[frosty trellis]

Sorry I am now very confused what

[hollow shell]

It just, sits dead still

for a minute and a half

[small timber]

yes

[frosty trellis]

Also that was back in 1.3 kek

[hollow idol]

it’s skill man

[hollow shell]

May as well be honoring the paperweight that beat KS Death Mode

[frosty trellis]

Based on the health bar

[hollow idol]

the only non-human to beat a boss

[drowsy plank]

new KS AI would ruin this anyway

[frosty trellis]

The guinea pig paperweight

[unborn oriole]

Teach the pig to go down

[small timber]

the pig hold S with slime mount with a summoner setup with a teleporter at the bottom of the world teleporting to the top of the world

with 7 slot defensive and regen item, probably can do it

[hollow shell]

Okay yes I can confirm that certain bosses do have modified AI when holding a true melee weapon
At a glance, I can see CalClone, SCal, the supreme brothers, Skeletron Prime, and The Twins

It looks like every single one of them involves cutting the boss's acceleration in half at some point

(and by "at a glance" I mean that's all the ones I can find from my searches and I wouldn't know what else to search to find any more)

[drowsy plank]

so just the ones already on the wiki

[grave zinc]

@trail dagger - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Reaper Sharks to drop Reaper Tooth at any point in the game.]

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@strong depot - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[SUMMON DESCRIPTION UPDATE]

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[Change the Name of Cosmilite Bars to Cosmilite Plates (With a Possible Re-sprite)]

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[crude geode]

sugg jumpscare

[cobalt heath]

has anyone asked rover

for the changes or is they no care

[small timber]

it is an item in reference to rover but not an item dedicated to rover I think?

[cobalt heath]

atleast I had to ask promission for scarlet

back when i asked for the recipe change

which is phuppers dev item

[distant gyro]

rover drive is not dedicated

[cobalt heath]

ah

[distant gyro]

simply a play on words on the item name

[small timber]

I think it is abit different, it is more akin to "fabsol vodka is a reference to fabsol", than say "scarlet devil is an item added by scarlet in dedication"

[ruby plover]

okay, two things

1: oh my god not the jhbfajskfa guinea pig nohits brug

2: my necro armour sugg didnt go through alas, i shall try again next time i can

[small timber]

ye sadly, necro and shroomite I feel are some of the most outdated armor right now

[ruby plover]

indëëd

eh, i think a blanket change to ALL melee weapons like that would be bad in multiple ways

• you now have to balance all melee weapons twice
• it takes away from the variety of the melee weaps that already have these mechanics
• very high effort suggestion, though that ties in with the first point

[cobalt heath]

it violates rule 2 of sugging

aka

@hollow shell

large class wide reworks are not alloved

also violates sis

techically

since they give specific ways to do

the system

@frail mantle sorry for ping

but

sus sug

[ruby plover]

Oh yeah, I forgor to ping the rovere

[cobalt heath]

rover is the overseer of sug channels

[ruby plover]

Yesh
I know this

[cobalt heath]

and pinkle used to be

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

yes.

albeit I kinda preferred how the thing looked before the rework

[remote mauve]

can you add grand thunder bird

[short walrus]

why

[remote mauve]

its a good post moonlord boss

you would summon it by using the golden shower in the abyss

its second form would be the adult eidolon yharon

[cobalt heath]

nope

end of discussion

[rugged belfry]

I like this idea

I think we should implement it

[proven zenith]

yoooo :D

[cobalt heath]

@hollow shell joke sugg detected, verbal warranted

@candid dove sorry to ping you for modding purposes but there is a clear verbal to be given

[golden tulip]

why did you ping 2 mods though

lmao

[cobalt heath]

cause i think rover might be sleeping

they usually are not on during this time of day

[crude geode]

Rover is usually at this time but like.

Why ping a admin

[cobalt heath]

cause his bio said fine to ping

i wasn't sure about the others

[small timber]

I usually just dont ping (unless it is literal virus link) since like, joke suggestion will just get exclaimed later on

[cobalt heath]

sorry...

[tardy smelt]

that would be a new low in terms of suggestions

[candid dove]

@faint grotto Don't post joke suggestions, please

[faint grotto]

i was dead serious

[frail mantle]

why is everyone so obsessed with maid outfit SCal but nobody knows about the vanilla maid outfit

[faint grotto]

theres a vanilla one?

say what

[frail mantle]

yes

added in 1.4

[faint grotto]

bruh

nah its not drippy

its not like that

THERE IS CRITERIA

AND IT DOESNT MEET IT

[frail mantle]

too bad

that's the best you're getting

[cobalt heath]

yep

[faint grotto]

someone needs to make a mod

[cobalt heath]

make yourself then

cause no one serious about calamity wants it

[faint grotto]

so you're telling me

to incorporate Mr Ping

into calamity mo

mod

or into a mod

[cobalt heath]

and bloody hell you could prolly make it w a texture pack

[faint grotto]

"bloody hell"

[cobalt heath]

yep

[frail mantle]

we're telling you to make your own addon if you want things like maid SCal instead of asking the cal devs to do it

[cobalt heath]

this term can be used out of dream smp

aka fuck you

[faint grotto]

please dont use

dont use

not use

fuck

dont mention the dream smp

im terrified of it

my sleep paralysis demon is a dream stan

[cobalt heath]

woooo tommy innit siiiimps

[tardy smelt]

tonkla was way ahead of you anyway

[cobalt heath]

yeah doesn't maid scal exist already as mod?

[frail mantle]

probably

[faint grotto]

they should let the fandom wiki

become a shitpost zone

[ashen warren]

It was possible in 1.3 but the mod is not ported to 1.4

[ruby plover]

theres a point where, after enough expression of interest, wanting a boss to be in a maid costume goes from funny to... strange

[faint grotto]

can they bring back animus

its such an iconic weapon

[safe oasis]

what’s iconic about it

[short walrus]

Tell me the last time you saw someone use it in a playthrough

Right now

[safe oasis]

nobody used it or mentioned it until it was removed

[ruby plover]

animus will never come back and that is an extremely simple fact

yeah...

[faint grotto]

idk the fact

its been around

for so long

[ruby plover]

so has uh

most other cal weapons at this point

[faint grotto]

does anyone use draconic destruction random question

[ruby plover]

not now, cos dev tier isnt balanced

[faint grotto]

i have not seen anyone use it

yeah its kinda trash...

[ruby plover]

and it in particular is terrible

[faint grotto]

im pretty sure dog tier stuff is better

I made it cause it sounded cool and got scammed

i believe back in 2019

it was up to par with the other weapons

earth was the big man

[safe oasis]

what even is draconic destruction

[ruby plover]

fire sword

[faint grotto]

see its so shit some people forget it exists

[safe oasis]

..which one

[ruby plover]

the not rainbow one

goofy uhh how use wikibot

[small timber]

draconic destruction is the post-ML shadowspec melee weapon that shoot projectile

[ruby plover]

!wiki draconic destruction

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Draconic_Destruction

[safe oasis]

damn i didn’t even know that existed

[ruby plover]

kinda zamny

[faint grotto]

@safe oasis its worse

than dog tier

[safe oasis]

:laoo:

[faint grotto]

like its BAD BAD

the last time it was used was when calamity weapons had crazy damage

THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW WHO CRAFTED IT

ASIDE FROM ME

was pythongb

in his calamity playthrough 💀

[ruby plover]

i dont expect dev tier weapons to be any good at this point, except for noteable outliers

its fine. they havent been balanced yet. they will be attended to in the future

[small timber]

ya dev tier weapon is just left out of balance for now

since for dev tier weapons to have any use, the first step is that boss rush must be less of a meltfest first and be an actual challenge (aka a rework), but then there are higher priority stuff to do for now than reworking boss rush

[faint grotto]

the first thing they gotta do

is

https://tenor.com/YroO.gif

shit i forgot

[ruby plover]

alright

[faint grotto]

fuck im trying to remember

GOD DAMMIT WHAT WAS IT

make yoyos useful

i remembered

every fucking yoyo is so trash compared to the weapons of its tier

[ruby plover]

if you can provide kill times for yoyos compared to other melee weapons on every tier they are on, then go ahead and ping a tester

[faint grotto]

ight

time to put in some hours

[frail mantle]

Ad subclass

[small timber]

@tranquil plover just in case, I think music box also works if you put it in vanity slot and on ground?

[tranquil plover]

it does

however

I'm playing with the antisocial mod, meaning I can get the benefits of armor and accessories in the vanity slots

[small timber]

putting on ground still works in that case?

though personally I highly recommend to use unofficial terraria calamity music

[tranquil plover]

why would you suggest that?

[small timber]

since it will be weird for that music to just play everywhere when many calamity biomes have their own music

[small timber]

it is really good, but ya

[tranquil plover]

not my fault Tale of a Cruel World is so good

[small timber]

the suggestion itself is fine I think, I just pinged just in case you aren't aware that place on ground/vanity slot also works

(since the suggestion wording make it look like the only way to use it is to place it in active accessory slot)

[tranquil plover]

ah, my apologies in that case

but my suggestion still stands

[small timber]

ye, the suggestion itself is fine, I pinged just in case you didnt know it and those might be alternative solution that are already available

[cobalt pewter]

maybe wait for Deerclops Rev+ AI?

they haven't done that yet (unlike with QS and EoL)

[small timber]

oh right that shitty vanilla deerclops respawn condition

but ya, that one is just annoying regardless of whether it have AI or not, since deerclops can naturally spawn

[crude geode]

You could also just. make it passive when encountered.

[cobalt pewter]

crab style

I think that's the best way to handle it imo, just make it still proc the distance limiter while passive, so you don't just trigger the lad randomly

[prisma flicker]

please no

[unborn oriole]

Oh my god

Whoever had that idea wants everybody to suffer an eternal pain

The exos are too chaotic already

[drowsy plank]

@stable sable just use BetterMultiplayer

[stable sable]

Oh does that just do exactly what I said

[drowsy plank]

yes and you can make the death came focus on the boss instead so dead players still get to watch the fight

is good mod

[stable sable]

Thx, thats actually really cool

[drowsy plank]

plus cal likes to avoid retreading the ground of other mods anyway (begone evil, nycro's nohit, fargo's, etc.)

np

[small timber]

ya, multiplayer will never be balanced with infinite respawn under normal boss fight anyway (and removing it will make people really mad)

[small timber]

so just use bettermultiplayer ^

[crude geode]

*tries

Fucking potions in shops

[stable sable]

thats a fair point

[cobalt pewter]

to be fair with evil spread you don't even need mods anymore technically

just pop one of them journey mode

[near fossil]

Vanilla changes should only be made if there's a reason specific to calamity

Otherwise it should just be in its own mod

[inner anvil]

Why?

[golden tulip]

i like the music boxes suggestion

this would actually make me use them

[tardy smelt]

I second this

Not the suggestion

The reaction to the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

"roboter"

truly a read the rules impossible challenge

[tender vault]

oh f off

[crude geode]

Me when the boss fight portions of a playthrough aren’t more than 24 hours long

[hybrid steeple]

Calamity discord users resisting the urge to make a suggestion despite having no ideas

[main hatch]

fr

[stable sable]

Are all the ingredients for Terraspark boots craftable in Calamity?

[cobalt heath]

Most are

[stable sable]

Where can I find the recipes for them?

[cobalt pewter]

should be easy to check with recipe browser

just search terraspark and start clicking around

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Vanilla_item_recipes

[cobalt pewter]

and that as well

it's weird that the other running boots are simply just for hermes alt

when dunerider is slightly different in mechanics

[stable sable]

Ty this helps a lot

[hollow shell]

[short walrus]

Would a sugg to make the deep-sea dumbbell actually flex now that we have those improves arm animations work

[covert nova]

lETS GOOOOO

[sand ermine]

Maybe

[vernal heron]

@lunar inlet do you think I should have said my ideas here?

Does it even matter?

[lunar inlet]

i dont think they'll add spreading astral

[small timber]

astral is deliberately non-spreading ya

since they dont want evil biome v2.0 where it just annoy player

[fossil finch]

spreading astral when its the worst idea in the entire universe

[inner anvil]

Spreading. 🤢

[vernal heron]

Ik

I was just like
This is where you discuss ideas so I had no idea if I should

But guess not

[vernal heron]

It seems that most people share your opinion lolol

I mean I hate biome spread as much as the next guy
I just hate lore/gameplay inconsistency more, personally

[lunar inlet]

story of the red cloud, or whatever is a souls-like mod that's pure story

about 20-30 hours of playing

[inner anvil]

Don't worry about lore, that thing barely exists? Or maybe not? Due to a rework? Lore is half-existing.

[lunar inlet]

and with a difficulty

[inner anvil]

It's mainly for gameplay purposes.

[vernal heron]

It made me sad to hear lol

Calamity lore had me reading a wiki page for HOURS

[short walrus]

No objections to updated dumbbell animations?

Ok then

[inner anvil]

Well, sadly for you, probably 85% of that is being changed or is deemed as outdated.

So oof.

[vernal heron]

If it's being changed

I cannot WAIT to see what the change is

Maybe it'll fix the inconsistencies

[inner anvil]

No clue, it's more probable that we delete the lore than changing it lmao.

[vernal heron]

Damn

[inner anvil]

We'll see.

[cobalt pewter]

would be interesting if instead of the classic evil spread schtick, astral enemies can spread their "biome state" if you disturbed the biome

as in the biome state of astral perists for a while even once you got out of it if you mined or broke certain items in certain quantities

[inner anvil]

Maybe something will happen, maybe something won't happen.

Lore is half-existing.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt pewter]

lore is lol

[vernal heron]

That would be a neat mechanic

[vernal heron]

True

[fossil finch]

memes your kinda lying because i know for a fact its kinda very existing internally

[lunar inlet]

its existing, for mrrp maybe, the writer of it

[hollow shell]

We are indeed planning on adding a lot more lore integration to the game

[cobalt pewter]

who is mrrp

[hollow shell]

As a replacement for the long lore schpiels that were once on the forum post and wiki

[lunar inlet]

the no admin

[hollow shell]

Mrrp is the lead writer, technically

[lunar inlet]

Hey rover, does my suggestion not being there even thought it was not exclamation marked mean it's in a different channel/server for voting?

[hollow shell]

Which suggestion

[small timber]

I assume is arid grandeur one and it is in #suggestions-voting

#suggestions-voting message

[lunar inlet]

To make arid grandeur not hover you in the air

the one about WoF sucking for TM

[hollow shell]

yeh

[fossil finch]

i will now ping phup just to know about astral spreading

[lunar inlet]

woah is 31 a lot

[small timber]

it is not a lot I think

[hollow shell]

heh
By the end most suggestions have between 120 to 200

[small timber]

(main reason is because that suggestion will result in a nerf against anything that is not wof, like a massive nerf)

[hollow shell]

There's still a lotta voting time left

[inner anvil]

Look, when I see some conversation about it, it always ends up "We'll change it eventually".

[lunar inlet]

[vernal heron]

OH HECK YEAH

You have no idea how much you've made my day

[hollow shell]

[vernal heron]

I mean

I did like those long lore schphiels as well

But implementation is certainly multiple steps above written lore alone lol

[hollow shell]

Yeah the issue with those was their "all in the manual" nature, disconnected from the game itself (both literally and also in terms of lore-gameplay disconnect)

It'll be more elegant and accurate, and interesting, to deliver the lore piecemeal throughout gameplay

[vernal heron]

I wholeheartedly agree 💯

[short walrus]

Gaming

Sleep time,

Ping me with other examples of stiff animations so I can add it to the list hopefully

[vernal heron]

Has anyone ever tried to suggest a post-ML NPC?

The Ex-Cultist or like
Just the Cultist
Name him Bob or some crap
You could have him sell weapons that the ML can drop (excluding drops that you aren't in the right gamemode for) so you can avoid the grind for a potential drop in exchange for a lot of money. He could also sell the Lunatic Cultist mask and robes so you can be well-dressed. He could ALSO potentially sell fragments so you can (again) avoid the grind. Finally, you could have him sell the Ancient Manipulator instead of the Lunatic Cultist just dropping it (or the LC could still drop it but you can buy more if you want).

Thoughts?

[small timber]

sounds like luiafk/alchemistnpc lite so probably not the best idea

[vernal heron]

Or even make him sell weapons/items that the Lunatic Cultist uses in his fight against you

So you can use them yourself

[small timber]

lunatic cultist stuff can be, well, obtained from lunatic cultist himself

[vernal heron]

Oh really

Well
It's more convenient at the very least

[small timber]

meanwhile for an npc that sell ML stuffs will definitely be unnecessary considering you have infinite summon for ML

it will be much faster to just farm moon lord himself than have an npc sell his stuff

[vernal heron]

Depends on the gamemode I'd argue

[small timber]

it is already not a hassle, so there is really no need for more convenience here

you farm moon lord for moon lord drops, thats about it

[vernal heron]

Hmm

[small timber]

(especially with calamity buffing treasure bags so different weapons can drop at once)

[vernal heron]

Maybe I'll plop it down and see how it goes

I understand where you're coming from and all

But I personally HATE grinding bosses if I don't have to
And I hate it more if I have to

One-and done, that's my ideal playstyle

[small timber]

the calamity's approach looks like:
bosses should drop their exclusive drop (as in, you can only obtain items that are drop by bosses from themselves)

while 'convenience' such as gundealer selling post-Plant dungeon guns, craftable vanilla recipe etc are almost always normal enemy drop that are extremely tedious to grind due to their low drop chance

and you dont really have to grind for bosses much, for most bosses it is a 1 and done deal (maybe except providence and DoG, due to the low drop amount of their bars)

for other bosses most of them unlock other stuff that (most of the time) is on par with boss drops

[vernal heron]

Alright
Maybe I'll suggest it maybe I won't. You raise some good points lol 👍

Now hear me out for this second idea I have:
A companion mechanic

[drowsy plank]

🤮 weapon shop npc

[small timber]

oh right, for that exact funtion I think you can just install alchemistnpc lite?

[drowsy plank]

adding an entire new mechanic seems kinda "too much effort" don't but idk depends on what it is

[small timber]

alc is ported to 1.4 right? can just buy treasure bags from operator

[drowsy plank]

yeah

but also

buying bags

but whatever ur choice ig lmao

[vernal heron]

Basically, how it would go down is that when you talk to an NPC, you can choose to set them as your Companion. It could potentially take up one minion slot to do so, but that's something where I'm not the dev, I don't care what you do with that.

Setting an NPC as a companion would let them travel around with you like a minion or a pet, and they'll help you fight similarly to a minion, but you can still talk with them and buy stuff from them.

Also, they still have HP and can die. If they die, they respawn like a normal NPC in an open house (or they could respawn instantly at the house they were in originally like a Player in a bed, whatever works.)

What say y'all?

[small timber]

so you can save the effort for bothered by people who will disagree with the suggestion much more strongly doing the suggestion, as it is already available

[vernal heron]

This is the companion mechanic I mentioned.

[drowsy plank]

ive had the exact idea before but this is way too much effort for cal and doesnt really fit its balancing, esp the difference in stats between cal NPCs and vanilla

this is better as a stand alone mod

[small timber]

the idea itself is like, fine? just 1 problem

terraria is built in a way where people dont really care about the npc

[drowsy plank]

not really a sugg worthy thing

[vernal heron]

Oh, and the companionship would be reset if the NPC died

[small timber]

as in, you can build a cactus house or house make of spike kinda deal for npc

so for most player the idea will seem extremely strange and out of no where

[vernal heron]

Well I know

This would actually make NPCs more important than just walking grocery stores

[drowsy plank]

i feel like my points on why this is a bad sugg are stronger

too much work and doesnt fit cal

instead of sugg for cal to do it why not just try making it yourself
not every mod needs to do everything and it's a cool standalone idea

[small timber]

tbh if calamity currently have a more focus on lore I will say the idea maybe is acceptable, but considering to introduce the system you likely have to write dialogue/expand their lore etc etc (or otherwise they will just be a worse summon with nothing interesting happening), it probably will be unlikely to happen

[fossil finch]

lore doesn't excuse this at all lol

[vernal heron]

I mean
I don't think it would be too difficult to implement personally

Just a little bit of NPC here, a little bit of minion there, and boom

Half of what you need is already in the game lol

[fossil finch]

that's not really how it works lol lmao xd

Still it's extremely out of scope for calamity and doesn't fit it at all

[drowsy plank]

cool, that just shows you need to learn more about programming lmfao

really tho just like

if it's so easy learn to mod urself

if u made this standalone i would download it

but it really just doesnt fit cal

[vernal heron]

Hey hey
I can admit to being wrong
But where's the harm in a suggestion? It's not like they have to do it lol

[drowsy plank]

the harm is it breaks the rules

lmfao

[vernal heron]

I read the rules and I disagree

Again

I could be wrong
But there's no harm in trying

At most I get a finger waggle

[drowsy plank]

i guess we could just ping a mod and get them to say it'd be too much work, but im just saying it now, that they're gonna say it's too much effort and doesn't fit cal. because like i said cal NPCs and vanilla NPCs are too drastically different. and again it just. doesnt make sense in this enviorment

[fossil finch]

You still have to abide by rules you disagree with xd

[orchid briar]

Rules are made to be broken

[fossil finch]

Rules are made to be rules

[orchid briar]

Average calamity mod discord suggestions poster

[vernal heron]

I don't disagree with the rule, I disagree that this would be breaking said rule

I am not a habitual rule breaker lol

[fossil finch]

it literally does break the rule

[orchid briar]

You also said you disagreed with them

[drowsy plank]

whatever he can post it and rover can flag it in an hour
can't say we didnt try

[orchid briar]

.

[fossil finch]

What even would be the proper reasoning as to why calamity specifically needs to implement it

[orchid briar]

But yeah, if you post it it won't pass

[fossil finch]

This is the exact same question rover would make you

[vernal heron]

Again
I meant I disagree with their statement

Not the rule itself

[unique vector]

STOP arguing

[fossil finch]

Something Malicious is brewing

[unique vector]

if ur not budging and want to post your sugg then post it anyway

if we officially deny it thats that

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[unique vector]

u should not be arguing for like 20 mins on whether someone is breaking sugg rules or not if the sugg doesnt even fucking exist

[drowsy plank]

this is truly the channel ever

[unique vector]

guh!!!!!!

[fossil finch]

pixl isn't a mod anymore i forgot
This is a loss for humanity

[inner anvil]

What is even his suggestion?

[fossil finch]

The sugg exists

[drowsy plank]

this

[unique vector]

if its not in #suggestions-posting then it doesnt

[vernal heron]

That is exactly what I'm saying though

I want to try a suggestion just to see if it'll fly

[unique vector]

go ahead

im not gonna argue

[small timber]

basically make NPCs have an additional function to act as journey companion (maybe at the cost of minion slot etc etc)

[inner anvil]

Bruh.
Too much to test, I won't bother.

[vernal heron]

If it doesn't I literally don't care

No harm done anywhere

That is ALL I've been saying

[drowsy plank]

NICE

lmao

[unique vector]

im 90% sure it’ll be flagged for being too complicated or be denied outright

but post it anyway

[inner anvil]

And that's the case.

[unique vector]

literally no harm in doing so

[inner anvil]

It would take me like a month or so to balance that if we apply that suggestion.

Too much time.

[unique vector]

at most yall should just be critiquing ppl’s suggs and pointing them in the right direction instead of spending hours bickering over shit that doesnt matter

[fossil finch]

I thought the idea was making people not post suggs that are gonna get denied as to not make them implode statistically

I don't think the sugg is salvageable? We told them why it was invalid and that's it

[unique vector]

do not make me need to get someone here to make sure yall arent yelling someone’s head off for not following X rule or whatever

[fossil finch]

don't act like we spent 3 hours arguing it wasn't even 10 minutes

[unique vector]

thats your personal opinion

you are not a dev though

so at the end of the day you’re just saying your perspective

you are not here to quality check suggs

[unique vector]

i dont care this has happened several times

dont act like this is the first time ive had to say something to you or certain others here

learn when to just back out my guy

[unique vector]

yes but when the man is stubborn enough to want to post it anyway it’ll effectively achieve the same result once someone marks it or denies it

just like, point is dont spend your time yelling at people here

thank you

[vernal heron]

Well I posted it
I really don't wanna like
Seem like an asshole or anything
I just wanna suggest an idea lol

Sorry if I seem like a jerk-

[small timber]

dont worry too much, that happens sometimes in this channel

[unique vector]

if someone is telling you not to post your sugg for X reason its probably for a good reaaon

but you’re fine

[vernal heron]

I know

Thanks for the critique everyone

[small timber]

@naive widget probably a bit too specific of an idea, and we do already have a lot of fishing rate increase item

(and suggestion formatting)

[vernal heron]

So uh

How does suggestion posting work anyway?
Like
What happens once it's posted? When does the bot notice it or whatever?

[small timber]

after 24 hours it will get send to #suggestions-voting , then people vote there

[vernal heron]

Ah

[small timber]

if it get enough votes eventually it will get send to developers to see if they want to implement it, that is the tldr of it

[orchid briar]

You can read about it in the pins of this channel as well

[vernal heron]

I see

Alright then

Thanks again

[small timber]

tbh currently there are already a lot of pure fishing power item that I dont feel there is any need for more

[drowsy plank]

still waiting for the day the combo building and mining accessories get added for hardmode

[small timber]

maybe a different variant of fishing accessories, like fishing accessories that block/limit to certain type of fishing loot, something like that? not sure

since might be too niche/specific of an effect

[drowsy plank]

fishing has a lot of gear for it already to the point that the only hard part is building the fishing pond lmao

me

[fossil finch]

Mining emblem thorium mod real

[small timber]

the fishing pearl is extremely good for the one time I use it

[fossil finch]

Pearl is goated

[small timber]

I think it basically almost doubles (maybe more), considering crate catching rate is abysmal at base

it is amazing as long as you do want crates (unless you only want potion ingredient fish, then you take it off)

in all other case you always have it on, no reason not to since it also increase fishing power

[fossil finch]

It's good always because crate chance sucks

[vernal heron]

If I had to give my idea critique besides what y'all have already said, I would say that the fact that Calamity NPCs like Amidias have WAY more HP would be a problem.

So yeah
It'll probably get rejected lol 😅

But eh

I tried

[hollow shell]

Should I
give feedback on that NPC suggestion or have they been spoken to enough

[small timber]

the tldr (of what was spoken is) it is unlikely to be implemented due to too much effort and balance nightmare I think

[gray nebula]

yeah

just make dedicated npcs with questlines for it

[fossil finch]

crags survivor real

[frosty trellis]

What in the hell did I just backread...

[fossil finch]

idk

[kindred creek]

dark esau?

yeah, never heard of it, the character i mean

i know of the game

[inner anvil]

Okay, I tested Cinders of Lament this morning, it's not even half-bad.

[vernal heron]

That actually sounds...

Kinda awesome tbh

[vernal heron]

I honestly don't think it's gonna get very far at all

I just wanted to throw it out there lol

[hollow shell]

The main thing about the suggestion imo was actually the lack of a reason why, with too much specification

Complete lack of a reason why, actually

[vernal heron]

Oh

Fair enough

In my mind
It was mostly a convenience thing, so you don't always have to go to your NPC's house to talk to them
As well as like
Free help in combat scenarios, no crafting or grinding required

I mean obviously

I'd probably need more than convenience alone 😅

I might actually throw that in the post, if thou art willing

[small timber]

Most npc dont really have function of worthy of keeping them around 100% of the time

[vernal heron]

Oh
Wait

People could totally just cheese the game and drag the Nurse around everywhere

[small timber]

You are not keeping gundealer 24/7 to buy bullet for example, when you can just buy 9999 straight away, or merchants

[vernal heron]

That ain't good

Hm

Well

I edited my post a bit
Nothing crazy, just adding my reasoning as requested pretty much

If it doesn't work out

Life happens

[swift wharf]

I see no reason other than convenience

[vernal heron]

You would see correctly unfortunately

I mean
It surely could be implemented in a way that does more than convenience

Like helping flesh out lore through conversations with your Companion that you couldn't have normally and whatnot

But I don't wanna make the idea seem like "It HAS to be this way or else!!"

@hollow shell Would that be something I'd actually want to add as a 'hey, you could do this if you wanted'?

Or am I right about not bothering?

[hollow shell]

mm
I don't think this is an inherently unsuggestable idea, but

I think it'd be best to just not suggest it at all right now

[vernal heron]

So wait it out for now, in a sense?

See how the base idea goes or whatever?

[hollow shell]

I mean that in order for this suggestion to work it would probably have to be rewritten from scratch

[vernal heron]

The suggestion or the lore?

[hollow shell]

??

[vernal heron]

One is something I can do

[hollow shell]

The suggestion

[vernal heron]

Oh I got worried lol

[small timber]

Yeah, for the suggestion to work the npcs have to have more lore impact to be worthy of having conversations/dialogue written for them

[vernal heron]

Ooo, good point

[small timber]

As of right now the suggestion is basically 2 part:

Rewrite npc lores and give them dialogues
And
Make a new 'companion' system of having NPCs around replacing minions while retaining their NPC function, why comes with its own problem, balancing or not

[vernal heron]

I would argue that they're not replacing minions, it's like Pets

They follow you around but don't replace minions, y'know?

Companions in my mind (while yes, balancing would be a pain) would be a separate entity category, not necessarily receiving minion damage buffs since they're not a minion

Man I've got too many ideas for something that's not likely even to happen

I was gonna say more but I was like "wait a minute, this isn't even a thing yet lol"

Or at all

[small timber]

The current problem with the suggestion is less about execution but more for reasoning for it to exist

Basically why do we need npcs as basically pseudo-minion when summons and pets exist?

Since it is not for convenience: they dont really bring much on that front

It is also not for lore/dialogue/companionship reason: since in its current form npcs have 0 thing related to that

[gray nebula]

the problem is the most npcs suck

omg party girl lore

[small timber]

Ye tldr is that

[gray nebula]

omg cirrus lore

omg i cant wait to know more lore about the angler

just ask for the world to be more alive through more cool npcs that integrate within the story

[small timber]

It is made worse by the fact that all npcs are created with the typical stereotype as their entire character, the only slightly unique addtion is just happiness system bringing some relationship between npcs and thats it

[vernal heron]

1. Convenience
2. Lore potential

And I feel like both of these aren't exactly concrete reasons...
If I had something concrete, what would it be...? Hm.

Overall making the NPCs more... Human, I guess? With 1.4's happiness meter comes the chance to make them more like people rather than walking grocery stores.

Even that... Hm.

Idk

I'm not exactly a dev
And this kind of idea requires more info than I have to give more good reasoning for existence, I feel.

Of course, that in and of itself means that this idea isn't something that'll happen lol

[small timber]

1. For convenience I dont think so, no npc (maybe other than nurse) bring much convenience for having them always around

2. Require rewriting every single npc which is not gonna happen soon

The tldr is the idea really dont have a basis for its reasoning other than some other games have it and it might be cool for terraria to have it too

[gray nebula]

too many npcs and also tey suck

[frosty trellis]

Could bring recipe browser but worse the guide with you

[gray nebula]

i do not care about 90% (aka 100 actually % of the npcs

[small timber]

(since both reasoning require something else to be done first for them to be valid reasoning)

[vernal heron]

The goal of my idea was to change that, y'know?

Unfortunate how that's pretty much not happening

Ah well

I await my fate

[small timber]

I mean your suggestion just kinda skip to the step 2 of the process you know

[vernal heron]

Huh

Wait what
How so

[small timber]

You can just suggest to do the step 1 instead, wait to see if it get accepted, then proceed to step 2, if you know what I mean

[vernal heron]

OH

Man

Should've been my reasoning from the start I guess
Who'd have thought that my reason didn't sound so stupid after all

Because I mean
It really would be neat for NPCs to be more than just a shop you talk to once and then never talk to again

I mean look at the Goblin Tinkerer
Man has a second purpose
And he gets all the attention 😂

The companion thing is probably not that "second purpose", I'm gonna be honest

But that's food for thought I suppose

[fossil finch]

the real way to make npcs cared for is overhauling the entire game

probably

[pale plover]

add malice mod again
i was in the middle of a playthrough with my buddy with malice mod on and when we updated we got no more malice mod and we sad and angrey

[swift wharf]

[vernal heron]

It's a rule to NEVER suggest that lol

[vernal heron]

I mean you're likely not wrong

I was hoping a Companion function would be able to do that without a total gut of the game

But it seems like that's not gonna be the case

Without a total gut lol
Auto-correct moment

[fossil finch]

this is why dissonant duality my beloved coming to tmods ner you in uhhhhh some years (i'll be very annoying about it once it does happen)

probably also related to making terraria's economy not be as ignorable and some other things

like non-wiki reliance

anyways reworking cinders of lament so they're actually tesau

please

like you just summon the two brothers and they do the dark esau

[drowsy plank]

is cinders actually bad

[fossil finch]

idk

[vernal heron]

I think I'm gonna re-write my companion suggestion to completely encapsulate my goal

It's not happening
Almost guaranteed if not absolutely guaranteed

I just wanna make sure that it's done right

[fossil finch]

i think you should ditch the companion idea as a whole and make a sugg about the goal itself i think

though you could still put it as an example

[vernal heron]

Oh, true

[charred dagger]

make exo mech beatable

[vernal heron]

Do I re-write the old sugg or make a new one?

[fossil finch]

whatever you want

[fossil finch]

they already are new person that joined solely for this (they did in fact not, why does discord still display the icon if they joined 3 days ago)

this will either devolve or stay like this

[vernal heron]

Probably just gonna re-write the existing one yet again

Just because I don't wanna chain suggs or anything

Well I did it

I edited the post
I dunno if those exclamation marks are good or bad but whatever

Comments? Critique? I wanna get it perfect (or as close as I can manage to perfect).

[vernal heron]

What say you?

[burnt condor]

I’d vote for making npcs more interesting for sure!! I’m the odd man out who feels bad for the guide and the angler </3 and I see the appeal in the companion system, I personally feel it’d be more fitting as its own mod/not as pertinent a calamity mod addition but that’d be up to the devs I suppose (though yeah nurse companion would be somewhat busted lol)

[vernal heron]

True true

[neat linden]

Nurse companion in dmode+ when it

:hdflr:

the only npc i could see as an actual companion

would be Guide

[vernal heron]

Yeah
At this point it's very much a "throwing it out there as something you can do" thing now

The goal is to point out that NPCs should have more purpose than they currently do at this point

I think I modified it enough so it won't have to be deleted in 24 hours

[burnt condor]

I feel like simply adding a side gimmick a la goblin tinkerer to every single npc could get a little Too niche and tricky to navigate? like I’d want to lean more into making each npc a unique and valuable recruit… somehow… but I’m not sure quite how I’m not a game dev or a suggestion writer I just like the discussions 😔

[fossil finch]

Amidiator

[vernal heron]

I think what would be most ideal isn't a unique ability necessarily for every NPC

But something they can all do that makes them just that little bit more important, useful, and actually cared about lol

My Companion example would be something every NPC could do, y'know?

Something like that, something they can all do or have that increases their importance in general

[fossil finch]

I know things

[vernal heron]

Neat

@hollow shell I just wanted to ask if those ❗marks are removed automatically or manually, or if they affect anything bot-wise

I pretty much re-wrote my suggestion in its entirety so I wanted to double check what the deal was with those and whether you're keeping them on my suggestion or not lol

[drowsy plank]

tbh good suggs these last 2, but i doubt they'll pass; my blood moon one didnt and boss balance suggs literally never pass unless it's malice BoC

[vernal heron]

Just wanna get my remade suggestion reviewed again, that's all I'm doing

Hoping to get it at least to the point where people can star it or whatever

[lunar geyser]

yeah im sure that no one else has the DoG problem except me but even with 200+ defense melee build getting hit by that lingering hitbox just takes out any will to retry

[serene tendon]

Tbh I've only found lingering lasers to be a problem when I have to RoD away.

[lunar geyser]

yeah im usually not expecting the damage when i dodge it for the first time so i guess ill dodge first normal and RoD away from the second

[hollow shell]

Alright, your suggestion is much better now, I've removed the ❗

The scope is kinda big

But not, impossible

[grim tusk]

https://youtu.be/reAh7fnPS6A cant wait for nerf God’s paranoia suggs (even tho the ball is actually pretty balanced and this dude just used glass cannon)

[hollow shell]

Funny RTN and DSA and all potions

[tardy smelt]

no Occult Skull Crown >:(

[vernal heron]

Thanks so much!
I appreciate you putting up with this for so long lol

[hollow shell]

[lunar inlet]

Hey rover, if you see this, is it alright to ask of you to update me on my suggestion's approval/denial when the voting time is over? (in dms, for convenience)

[half sage]

doesn't the bot ping you after devs vote yes/no on your suggestion

[lunar inlet]

i have no clue how it works

i just know my suggestion is being voted on

[drowsy plank]

the bot does this automatically by pinging you

[lunar inlet]

Where does it ping? Is it in a separate server?

[drowsy plank]

no it's

right here

[lunar inlet]

ah

[drowsy plank]

this channel

[frosty trellis]

And Adren spamming

Don't forget that

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

honestly yes, though probably low priority I would assume

[frosty trellis]

Ain't a bad thing to suggest

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

seems way too excessive to be done in Cal.

I guess if you wanna do it like Tower of Fantasy and make these NPCs be able to chat with you at any given time to expand their story, they could be done in a standalone mod

[frosty trellis]

True

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

I think for this purpose it'd be best to just leave some event enemies outside of their events and let them drop the materials once you completed the event once

so if you done T1 Acid Rain once Skyfins and Nuclear Toads will occasionally spawn in the same fashion of Goblin Scouts

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but then how am I gonna get blood orbs pre dog so I can have a fucking blood moon spawn for once?

Acid rain at least spawns after EoC

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

Dripplers and Blood Zombies replacing Demon Eyes and Zombies occasionally at night

then crank up the pre encounter chance of blood moon

[drowsy plank]

i made a sugg about this exact issue but it bombed in voting

[sand umbra]

A similar story goes for Acid rain and I assume other events, You need either drops or items excusive to the event that if you were in a point where you need a certain drop from the blood moon to progress.

how do we tell them that over half the event summons in the game either
a) can be made without ever touchin' the event in question, or
2) don't exist in the first place because you aren't meant to grind said events (the funny moon man pillars)

[cobalt pewter]

Acid Rain requires Acid Rain defeat for sure, I think same for Bloody Tear?

and honestly Cal just doesn't have that much custom events past that

though for the first tier grinding it isn't really necessary I feel

maybe for sulp armor

[grim tusk]

Acid rain just needs EoC to be killed

Bloody tear cant be gotten without the event though

Although wtf is your rng if you do not get one on your entire pt

Its 10% chance of a bloodmoon per night

[worthy lintel]

you laugh but that happened to me last month

first blood moon occured on day 45

very pissed because i was at polter tier and it locked me out of bloodflare armor

[stuck cave]

i think mpg went until dog without one

and i know a number of other people have hit at least golem without any

it's uh. common enough to warrant some reworks i think

iirc someone made a suggestion a while ago for a summon that doesn't require blood orbs, idk if it went over well though

[drowsy plank]

it didnt

and my suggestion to add alternate, more consistent spawn methods bombed in voting too

so idk what you'd say to actually get the community to vote for it

[cobalt pewter]

no I mean the caustic tear lo

[stuck cave]

caustic tear doesn't need u to defeat though i think. i think it's just sulphuric scales

yea it's just scales

and like acid rains are so much more common anyways. never once had to wait more than a day cycle or two for one to come around

[drowsy plank]

scales can only be obtained in T1 acid rain 🤨

[grim tusk]

If you kill EoC the next time you step into SS an AR will trigger

[frosty trellis]

Yep. Thankfully I was playing melee and it was pre-2.0.1 so I had solar flare dash abuse, but it was very interesting

[frosty trellis]

True

[frosty trellis]

You can grind the pillars, it's called the Eidolon Tablet to summon the cultist lol

[stuck cave]

you kind of.., are meant to farm pillars lol

either pillars or deus

usually one round of pillars won't last you the rest of a playthru (at least for multiplayer, i actually haven't done a solo one in a while)

[drowsy plank]

gala sigularities being in prof rage and wrath def wants you to grind pillars/deus

i usually do deus bc it's still more engaging than pillars

[crude geode]

@hollow shell sis

[hollow shell]

sis moment

[small timber]

What if instead of making event summons from non-summon item, just make it possible to obtain event-specific material from non-event sources to craft the event summon item?

[keen drum]

its also just everclear

[small timber]

last time I tried to nerf adrenaline I got told that if you are skilled for nohitting bosses for 30 seconds then you should be rewarded accordingly, but invalidating the rest of the fight 💀

but ya, I agree with the idea but people just really want adrenaline to be as overpowered as possible due to it being tied to nohitting

[crude geode]

it would be nice if adrenaline was less of a all or nothing without having to rely on an accessory to do so

[small timber]

it is even more of an all or nothing even with accessory now

stress pill is reworked to reduce timer for adrenaline from 30 to 25, instead of reducing charges by half when hit

[crude geode]

god

what a change

[frosty trellis]

And that effect is now part of the occult skull crown as well

[frosty trellis]

Yeah it's dumb that you can just invalidate the rest of the fight early game

When I was nohitting skeleton for example, I could bring it's skull down from full until it resummons it's arms with one adrenaline ON MASTER-DEATH

Which is a very good example of why it's broken as shit early on

And it's phm, so damaging accessories are

[small timber]

yeah adrenaline at preHM is some bullshit

kinda apply to early HM too, but at least only for specific weapons, for normal weapon adrenaline only do about 40% of boss hp bar in damage instead of 90%

such improvement, much wow

[frosty trellis]

Late game it's just satisfying to nohit a part of the boss fight then skip a really annoying phase because you actually got good

[small timber]

it used to be fine on yharon due to invincible phase transition, which is removed, DoG still get melted by adrenaline with any good performing weapon, scal and exo at least have many phase transition so you can only melt 1 phase

[frosty trellis]

40% in phm isn't as bad as 90% or just kill the boss outright but still crazy

[small timber]

adrenaline is truly the mechanic in calamity

[small timber]

90% pre-HM and ~40% in early HM I feel

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Sounds right

[small timber]

late HM is much more bearable (as long as you dont use like malachite) since most weapon are pretty balanced

[frosty trellis]

Killing phase 2 plant in 1 adren

Sounds right

[frosty trellis]

Malachite got nerfed into the ground

[small timber]

I remember I had a doc somewhere of how much you can melt pre-HM boss with 1 adrenaline (and dealing no damage beforehand), and most pre-HM bosses die in the 5 second adrenaline is active (from 100% to 0%)

[cedar moth]

yeah

[frosty trellis]

Not shocking

[small timber]

oh malachite is nerfed, since spectre is not (at least I heard) so I thought malachite hadnt been nerfed too, that is good at least

[novel belfry]

i know that sis is completely against the rules, but I genuinely want that Fabsol Brimstone Soup in the game

[cobalt pewter]

adren is just

very flawed

[small timber]

fabsol will ask the other devs to add it himself if he feels like it

it is the tldr of it

[cedar moth]

9% 🤓

[cobalt pewter]

people just gloss over it because haha funny broken burst damage

unlike pre rework rage where it was borderline unusable

[novel belfry]

you are right, it is not up to us to decide, only fabsol if he decides its funny enough to put in game

[cedar moth]

wait actually?

thats helpfull

[small timber]

people just too used to treat nohitting as like a glorious "oh my god I achieved this AMAZING feat I should be rewarded accordingly" kinda mechanic, instead of just an in-game mechanic for rewarding over performance

[cedar moth]

AR

[crude geode]

this

tbfh

[frosty trellis]

Nerfed into the ground

[crude geode]

it's unhealthy on both sides

[cedar moth]

💀 bruh

[small timber]

oh wow look at that, bee's knees 2.0

crippled

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[novel belfry]

wait, rogue weapons have individual stealth strike modifiers?

[cobalt pewter]

adren's a rich get richer scenario

[crude geode]

rewarding people for not getting hit is kinda silly considering the reward usually is. not getting hit and taking damage

[novel belfry]

huh, you learn something new every day

[frosty trellis]

Ya

[cobalt pewter]

yes, mostly internal

[frosty trellis]

That's fair

[novel belfry]

yknow, i kinda want that to be a displayed stat

[small timber]

which is why I always wanted adrenaline to be a comeback mechanic instead of a win-more mechanic

[novel belfry]

in fact, now that I think about it

[cobalt pewter]

I think that modifier is a (temporary?) bandaid until rogue is fully balanced

at least that's what I thought

[small timber]

nerf the offensive upside, give it more defensive/recovery upside for rewarding if you nohit the boss for 30 seconds straight when you are at very low hp to allow for 'comeback' to the boss fight

[cobalt pewter]

"fully" ina relative sense

right now many rogue weapons are still untouched in terms of balance

[novel belfry]

come to think of it, i think draedon's heart version of adrenaline should have a much earlier variant

i think a big heal is a worthwhile trade for big damage

[small timber]

I dont think so, probably should give some damage still or otherwise it dont do anything if you are not in danger

[frosty trellis]

The problem with that is with life Regen, especially farther into the game
Nohitting for 30 seconds gives you a fair bit of your health back from life regen, and even so endgame, which makes that good early not nearly as good late, like the currently adren