suggestions-discussion

[small timber]

ok so tldr is just fuck the rippers lets finally nerf them

[drowsy plank]

lol

[frosty trellis]

Nerf adren, make rage actually fking work against Yharon

[small timber]

I think just nerf both, rage being a 12 seconds 35% (total damage output boost) for you just existing in the boss fight is a problem; adrenaline is it having the ability to skip half the boss phase because haha I run away for 30 seconds

[drowsy plank]

if you wanted rage to do more you could always just bring back absolute rage buff to HP while nerfing damage or something
and i liked the wing time idea, but i dont think the idea was it proc on pop but by holding adren? it's an interesting dynamic, better than just melting the boss
this way they'd actually feed into supporting the playstyles they advocate for more than +1000% damage like old adren did

[small timber]

adrenaline I can see its stat being move to other area that is not damage, eg: DR as you say; but rage should not have this kind of payout for basically playing the fight

[indigo heart]

This 100%.

To me ADR is just overtuned to shit. You stay within an ultrawide monitor's range of a boss for a long time and then get stupid stats. Meanwhile your tank/short-range carry is getting punished for being anywhere close to the boss.

In essence, ADR punishes you for playing a harder-to-play playstyle.

[drowsy plank]

short range classes dont get punished bc you can still dodge just fine close to a boss

lol

[small timber]

funny thing is ADR is toned down, from like 1000% damage boost to 200% boost so it is toned down , but ya it definitely should be nerfed more

[golden tulip]

how are short ranged playstyles punished

[indigo heart]

Who's going to have a harder (not hard) time dodging a boss, the guy 20ft from it or the guy on the other side of the map?

[small timber]

you can play most bosses mid/short ranged ya, it is more that adrenaline can charge while boss is on the other half of the map is ridiculous

[drowsy plank]

it depends on the boss lmao

[indigo heart]

(minus Providence burn)

[fossil finch]

this is yet another one of the many problems that get solved by deleting melee from the game

[neat linden]

one can see when a boss is firing projectiles

[indigo heart]

You mean the class that (if you actually properly nerf DR) actually takes skill?

[neat linden]

one can be hit by offscreen projectiles they did not know about

:lo:

[fossil finch]

i dont think melee takes skill nor do i think that matters in the slightest because this is terraria

[neat linden]

Deus

[indigo heart]

We call this lag good sir.

[drowsy plank]

provi and prof guards have ridiculous projectile acceleration, yharon spams bullets so it's better to not fly 80 miles away, and also this seems like multiplayer being multiplayer which they're not going to balanced around because 90% of the time, bosses are usually close to you because you're the only one fighting them LMAO

[indigo heart]

😛

[indigo heart]

I want to be clear, I am NOT arguing "buff tanks", I'm just saying that ADR as a mechanic has issues. It does too much dmg and rewards you for being a bitch (running away).

[drowsy plank]

you're right the damage is stupid but also

[indigo heart]

Also, I have to note that I may be off base because I am playing in Malice Mode, Master World.

[neat linden]

i remember "running away" from profaned guardians

[drowsy plank]

the second thing isnt a problem because you cant really actually run away from bosses well in singleplayer without fucking the killtime anyway and at the point just. fight them normally

[neat linden]

and got hit with a projectile traveling at 95% speed of light

[drowsy plank]

single weapon run
multiplayer
master malice
oh yeah it's everything calamity has no intention of balancing around time 😎

[indigo heart]

Look, I'll be honest. This "singleplayer" talking point is annoying because the overwhelming majority of people play multiplayer. Sure, you can say "Singleplayer takes priority", that's fine but jut writing off MP is just lazy arguing.

[neat linden]

Source of the claim above?

[drowsy plank]

it isnt because multiplayer has more pressing issues and balancing around it would fuck the singleplayer experience which is the intended way to play. obviously they try to make multiplayer livable but at the end of the day it's not the focus and LOTS of mods have this perspective

[neat linden]

mp code of terraria itself isn't exactly good

which does translate into tmod mp

[drowsy plank]

a lot of mods dont even WORK in multiplayer

[neat linden]

and thus calamity mp

[small timber]

the tldr of singleplayer vs multiplayer is just multiplayer will always be much more abusable one way or another; to balance for multiplayer you have to impose ridiculous condition that will make it, well, ridiculous for singleplayer

so basically do not expect it to be perfectly balanced for multiplayer thats all

but ya rippers should be nerfed regardless of singleplayer or multiplayer, their payout is stupid in its current state

[fossil finch]

its not about the code at all
terraria, even though it has always been a game with multiplayer, didn't really design a lot of its systems and mechanics on it and neither does calamity for a whole load of different reasons
There's also no point in arguing whether sp or mp is the majority because no one can actually prove either

[indigo heart]

I'm a Calamity social noob, what do you mean by "ripper"?

[drowsy plank]

adren/rage

[fossil finch]

adren and rage are called rippers

[small timber]

just rage and adrenaline, they are often referred to as "rippers"

[indigo heart]

Ah.

[drowsy plank]

cause they rip through bosses HP

[small timber]

(because of metal gear revengeance reference)

[indigo heart]

This.

[neat linden]

but the code is a part of the issue

[fossil finch]

terraria's own netcode is fine enough by itself

[indigo heart]

HAHAHAHA.

[golden tulip]

im pretty sure rippers are another mgr reference tho

[indigo heart]

Clenteminator go BRRR. All players Lost Connection.

[golden tulip]

like the word rippers

[neat linden]

yeah

[fossil finch]

you can hop on someone's world being hosted in a good pc with a good net and you're not going to find the bugs you'd find in calamity at all

[neat linden]

cause Ripper mode from mgr

[golden tulip]

ye

[fossil finch]

the only exception was that one thing with qb

(qb before 1.4 teleported because her dashes just did not work in mp

[drowsy plank]

lol

[indigo heart]

I am the host of this world and I'm IT by trade, the server is properly configured, etc... there are some issues with TML NetCode. It's not terrible.

[drowsy plank]

terraria or tmod

bc there is a difference

[indigo heart]

TML

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[indigo heart]

sorry

[drowsy plank]

if we're being honest tmod is still in a bit of an open beta rn all things considered anyway
we still out here worrying about compatibility issues every end of the month when new updates drop

like right now you can't generate worlds with calamity enabled

[golden tulip]

thats more bc of an exception

[indigo heart]

Honestly, a simple change is just nerf ADR damage and make it charge faster by being close to the boss and you being it's current aggro target. This will work in SP and MP. Adjust the damage and rate so it's balanced for SP and by proxy this will make MP tanks/close-fighters feel fine. This will also nerf MP snipers sitting a biome away.

I have a Ranger playing sniper and it's honestly stupid.

[golden tulip]

if you dont want mp snipers stop mp sniping

[drowsy plank]

everything except the proximity thing there is fine, because that just turns it into rage 2

[indigo heart]

I can agree to this.

[drowsy plank]

if a boss is aggroing you, you dont need to worry about distance it WILL get to you

[indigo heart]

Not an argument. By that logic I can say "Why nerf Defense? Just don't play face tank bro!"

But we have DD.

[drowsy plank]

this does actually help with dumb adren building in passive or transitory phases since if you're not being aggro'd you can't charge

[golden tulip]

its the same thing for cheesing any boss

you can do it but it ruins the experience

if it ruins the experience, dont do it

[drowsy plank]

also it's unintended MP interactions again so

[golden tulip]

yes

mp balancing

im sure its been mentioned cal doesnt balance around mp?

[indigo heart]

Yes but my argument is that clearly Calamity has made an effort to nerf "cheese", it's a bad argument to say just don't do it when there 's a set precedence for actively nerfing this.

[drowsy plank]

cal should revert it's HP scaling nerfs people keep complaining about MP being too easy or dumb shit

[golden tulip]

its mp

they dont care

they have barely done effort to stop mp cheesing

[drowsy plank]

ok so how do you nerf someone in multiplayer standing halfway across the map and holding M1 while someone else takes aggro

[gray nebula]

why do

[indigo heart]

By just using the aggro mechanic? Simple?

[gray nebula]

why do you want to make adrenaline be rage

adrenaline is the nohit thing

[drowsy plank]

legitimately how would you even start on fixing this

ignoring rippers entirely

you can still do that and it's dumb

[gray nebula]

also were making an effort to un nerf it

[indigo heart]

I have noticed that a bit so point taken.

[drowsy plank]

you can do that in base terraria and other mods too like this isnt just a calamity problem and no one has touched it because it'd be a pain in the ass

[indigo heart]

My point was using something like "active target" for ADR makes it completely compatible with SP while fixing MP issues. Of course, these are just my thoughts.

[golden tulip]

ok legit question

[gray nebula]

i mean itd be confusing cuz targetting is kinda an opaque mechanic

being suddenly switched away would feel weird

[golden tulip]

is there a singleplayer game that has bosses and also has mp, where if you play mp the bosses dont instantly turn into a joke

[fossil finch]

reminder that like 2 vanilla items (and their upgrades as of 1.4) tell you they affect aggro and they don't name the stat at all

[gray nebula]

and a boss can only target 1 player at a time so like, even if 2 players are not running away, only one would get the adrenaline, so itd feel cheap for the other player

[indigo heart]

Addressing/Attempting to fix an issue and completely fixing an issue are two separate things.

[small timber]

but ya like, just nerf the damage or adrenaline and rage and it will be way less of a problem

[indigo heart]

This is a good point. Hmm..

[golden tulip]

but they clearly dont

[small timber]

considering it is even a problem in singleplayer

[golden tulip]

attempt to balance mp

lol

[gray nebula]

mostyl cuz itd be horrible

ppl play mp knowing full well it nullifies the challenge of a lot of bosses

[golden tulip]

yea its not an attack or anything im just sayin

[gray nebula]

you can just respawn anyways

[small timber]

ye, and probably confusing since the player will be "why am I not getting adrenaline"

[fossil finch]

if in mp turn every boss into a raid boss
multiplayer mode

[indigo heart]

The way I'm phasing this discussion if you haven't clued in yet is "Are there way to make this work better in MP without undue burden and/or compromising SP?"

[gray nebula]

i dont want the mod to start going tryhard "no fun you now have to be all balanced", cuz usually ppl play mp to have fun with their friends

not to have the most balanced experience

[golden tulip]

i see, but i dont see why they would start working on multiplayer shit now

[indigo heart]

So the reason I brought this question up is that, when we're playing in MP, I can tell that a lot of the time, the person who is playing Aggro doesn't get to "enjoy" the affects of things like ADR because they are the one pulling aggro.

[fossil mural]

mp is unbalanced but that also makes it fun

[indigo heart]

This is less a balance issue and more a player "feel" issue.

[fossil mural]

its fun to goof off with my friend once a year so when we check in on calamity

and then i do my normal 'balanced' solo playthroughs for awhile

[indigo heart]

The skill requirements for ADR are different depending on who is pulling aggro.

So this discussion is "can we make this feel a bit better for the one in a tougher spot?"

[golden tulip]

does that mean adrenaline or
ive never seen that abbrevation before

[indigo heart]

yes

[golden tulip]

alr

[indigo heart]

I am not saying "Rippers" because I am not talking about Rage, only Adrenaline. Just for clarity.

[gray nebula]

i mean

the one in the tougher spot is in the same tough spot as a player in singleplayer

aka having the boss aggro you

so the thing is that they don't get to enjoy it as much as someone in a solo pt, so we can't relaly improve that without improving it in solo

when i mean, the thing is that adrenaline is good for how it is rn

rewards being skilled and consistent dodges

[indigo heart]

You're correct, which is why I approached this from the perspective of "Adr. is too strong" as opposed to "too weak". if you're taking aggro, it's okay, albeit slightly overtuned. If you're not taking aggro, it's a busted ass mechanic.

[golden tulip]

i think adrenaline is too strong in sp too

lol

[small timber]

ye even for singleplayer (aka boss is always aggroed), it is too strong

[indigo heart]

A little. Make it take less time to charge and give a lot less stats as simple tweaks to it.

[golden tulip]

its mostly just the dmg boost imo

200%+ is nuts

[small timber]

if you want like a nuclear option will maybe like, make adrenaline and rage give half as much damage in multiplayer

but ya, even on singleplayer it should be nerfed, before considering multiplayer

[lofty hedge]

That seems like an easier solution.

[gray nebula]

you have a nohitter role

[indigo heart]

You can tell if you're in multiplayer in code, just check if A. there's more than one person playing and then B. make it charge faster if you're the closest thing to it or the aggro target (idk which is better)?

[golden tulip]

i swear i can never bring this up without this being mentioned in response

[gray nebula]

you can tell if youre in multiplayer in code, just check if : the variable for multiplayer is to true

[golden tulip]

even though theres plenty of people who agree with me

[gray nebula]

ok well compile imagens then

[indigo heart]

lmao.

[gray nebula]

im sorry oomfie itsj ust that like having ppl that are very well experienced in the game say the mechanic that is meant to reward ppl that play well is too good, like

its harder to take at face value

[small timber]

I mean... if nohitter says adrenaline is too strong it kinda prove the point? since they rely on adrenaline much more

[gray nebula]

???

cuz then if its nerfed to be balanced from the pov of players that know their shit, and then for a regular player that maybe gets adrenaline like, once or zero times per bossfight, it feels like a wet fart and then they feel not rewarded

[small timber]

basically nohitter is probably the people that don't want adrenaline nerfed the most; if even they are saying it is too strong it probably is the case

[indigo heart]

I understand the purpose of the mechanic and I don't think that what it's trying to be is a bad thing. It rewards you for good mechanical skill.

[golden tulip]

so what i cant say something is too strong because... im more experienced?

[eternal escarp]

ibans point is due to nohitters having much more use of it they can see its potency (i t hink)
however, i do still agree the 200% is too much for atleast early game

[gray nebula]

you can't say that the mechanic which rewards good play is too strong because the intent is that its good because it rewards good play

[small timber]

I think adrenaline having a good payout is fine (rage in that case is a bit free), but the current adrenaline payout is literally melt the boss

[gray nebula]

nohitters HAVING to be good and experienced and constantly getting adrenaline makes for a weird sample size

[solemn dust]

@topaz falcon train

[indigo heart]

I agree with this; I actually think it's too strong early. Maybe scale it with bosses defeated?

[golden tulip]

i half agree half dont im just salty im not being taken seriously because im slightly better than the average player

[topaz falcon]

train

[gray nebula]

like ok youre saying its too strong but youre part of the very very small ffraction of players that get as much adrenaline as possible during a fight

like just think of the average player that is playing the mod for the first time

[eternal escarp]

i just think that, upgradeless, adren needs to be slightly weaker, and come to its 270% by upgrades

[gray nebula]

theyre not even gonna get adrenaline on every fight probably

[eternal escarp]

because beyond early game its much less of a pocket nuke

[indigo heart]

No I'm not lol, I'm actually shit at this game. It took me like 10 tries to kill Providence.

[gray nebula]

i was talking to nutella

[small timber]

10 tries to kill provide is way about average

[golden tulip]

yea whatever adrenaline is not gonna get nerfed anyway.

[gray nebula]

thats why i said "show me images" of other ppl that agree with you oomfie

😭

[eternal escarp]

i agree

to an extent

[small timber]

but ya regardless, making adrenaline scales is probably the least nuclear option solution

[golden tulip]

it would never get past voting

[gray nebula]

like someone that went "ok its my first playthrough and i got adrenalien and it shredded the boss please help

[indigo heart]

I know but I'm making the same point.

hahaha

this chat is great.

[small timber]

since for current end game bosses (that is not scal), adrenaline is ok for how hard it is to pull off

[indigo heart]

This is me right now, no lie.

[eternal escarp]

[small timber]

meanwhile for most pre-HM and HM bosses you can get adrenaline by just running for most of them

[golden tulip]

its mostly people that agree with me that are often in this chat

however i do not care enough to turn this into a big thing

[indigo heart]

This. Just make Adr. scale with the game. You can actually make it stronger late.

[eternal escarp]

you know theres

3 adrenaline upgrades

they just dont do a lot comparatively to the amount you get by just spawning in

[indigo heart]

I know but I'm making the same point.

[golden tulip]

ok but people on their first playthrough dont see half the flaws in this game and they are still fixed by the devs

[small timber]

yeah, 200% after character creation and upgrade to 245% for a character at scal is abit ridiculous

[eternal escarp]

which brings me back to this

the maximum for adren boost was like 270% right

[indigo heart]

+125~250% damage based on bosses killed and adjust charging rate in MP based on boss distance to player? i think this is okay.

[small timber]

should be 245% currently no?

[eternal escarp]

no because the adren upgrades already exist

just make it

weaker on player creation

and make the upgrades grant more to reach the same max it is rn

boom

imo

[indigo heart]

This can work. Different way, same effect.

[eternal escarp]

its practically

the same way

just instead of on boss kill its on boss drop item use

[small timber]

and for MP just like, make it give half as much damage is probably more straight away, since otherwise people will have confusion on how their adrenaline is charging at 40 seconds instead of 30

[eternal escarp]

mp

where everyone else can just sit on the side and farm adren iirc

[indigo heart]

This game has plenty of non-apparent mechanics that you need to lookup. Things like RDR and true damage come to mind.

[eternal escarp]

RDR exists for 2 bosses so it doesnt matter

true damage?

[small timber]

RDR only exist for 2 boss, true damage?

[eternal escarp]

you mean true melee?

[indigo heart]

I was told that Providence does some amounts of true damage/DR bypass.

Am I mistaken?

[small timber]

that (attack) is reworked and no longer exist, it deal normal damage now

[lofty hedge]

That was removed iirc.

[eternal escarp]

that used to be in the star attack and it was apparent because it looked different when you got hit

but yes

that was removed

[indigo heart]

Okay, thanks. Nevermind then.

[small timber]

and the intention of RDR (on the 2 case existing now), is more to force the boss fight to last a specific amount of time minimum, and less for "stalling 4 minutes and kill night providence instantly"

so for normal gameplay you will just think "huh I don't deal a lot of damage", but it is not something you desperately have to know to beat it

[eternal escarp]

and you will usually not even notice because weapons dont have as insane of a scaling anymore iirc

[indigo heart]

The latter option is easier and even makes adrenaline easier to charge since you're spending your time dodging. Then suddenly you just go BRRRRRRRR-

[small timber]

(and ya, malice removal, and the providence summon item have a warning on it for summoning it at night)

[eternal escarp]

and if you fight night provi "on tier" you wont notice that at all likely

as 4 minutes is the avg killtime regardless (allegedly

[indigo heart]

meanwhile in MP
WEEEEEE-

[eternal escarp]

mp doesnt exist

nothing is balanced when you have another player

[indigo heart]

Is this what we teach in schools?

[small timber]

for reference the current MP health scaling is bugged

for 2 player bosses only have 110% HP instead of 160% (which it is supposed to have)

[golden tulip]

weve been trying to say forever now that calamity doesnt balance mp

[small timber]

not sure about even more player, but since 2 player is the case then it probably is also the case for more players

[eternal escarp]

the moment you have another player you basically invalidate 75% of the games challenge and are signing up only to have friendly fun

[small timber]

which is why night providence suddenly become a massive roadblock, because it is one of the first case of bosses being not meltable/can only beat it at normal timing on multiplayer

[golden tulip]

yea like, terraria mp is really fun but also horrendously unbalanced

[fossil finch]

reminding chat that vanilla's hp scaling is the only effort of balancing having double (or triple, or quadruple the damage on a boss and calamity had to nerf that

[golden tulip]

why did they nerf that?

[small timber]

I still dont understand the calamity nerf tbh

[fossil finch]

i don't know

it's an incrediby ancient nerf

[grim tusk]

Good question

[indigo heart]

I agree, I'm just....trying to find a painless adjustment to make it more enjoyable for the one guy running aggro compared to everyone else. This is less a "balance" issue and more of a "feel" issue. Ranger keeps procing Adrenaline every 30 or something and the tank doesn't. Guess which one "enjoyed" it more?

[golden tulip]

any dev around here that can explain why they did that

[grim tusk]

Tank gets rage

[eternal escarp]

i dont think thats really fixable thats just

how mp works

[grim tusk]

And ye

[indigo heart]

sadge.

[grim tusk]

Mp moment

[golden tulip]

i dont want to feel like a parent calling out their child i just want to know

[fossil finch]

again it's ancient
I don't think most devs know why at this point

if any of them even remember

[indigo heart]

You know...I've said this point like 3 times now about this and...I'm not repeating myself. I already acknowledged the "balance" point. I already said this is about player experience > balance for MP..

[golden tulip]

i was following up on this

[small timber]

at the sametime the tank is playing the game (fighting the boss) while the ranger is like, sitting at the side line staring at blank screen while shooting off screen, maybe even not allowed to have boss on screen to most effectively proc adrenaline

there are a lot of subjective argument on what is more enjoyable

[indigo heart]

I guess, I'm just making this point based on the general feedback I'm hearing from the players in my anecdotal MP experience.

[golden tulip]

how do you even mp snipe i dont play mp often

do you just hope the bullets hit

[small timber]

you can store adrenaline at the other side of the map and wormhole in iirc

[golden tulip]

true

[indigo heart]

Sniper Scope + Chlorophyte (sometimes) (+ Ultrawide Monitor)

And Wormhole for adr.

[golden tulip]

sniper scope is only available for half the game tho

a lot of that seems like.. minmaxing sniping

[indigo heart]

true but for half the game, the bosses have a range of 10 feet.

[golden tulip]

let me buy an ultrawide monitor to kill these terraria bosses 😎

[indigo heart]

hahaha.

[lavish condor]

Potions of return available right after evil boss or even pre-boss if you do angler quests also work

[golden tulip]

i was gonna say "they should make wormholes not work during a boss fight" but that would be stinky when someone dies

[indigo heart]

@golden tulip Your name is making me hungry and I just ate.

[golden tulip]

[indigo heart]

Or you can just be smart and build a bed next to the arena.

[golden tulip]

true just dont be lazy

might be an option idk

[indigo heart]

Unlike your arguments (I'm kidding don't murder me).

[spring fog]

Yall like my suggestion?

[indigo heart]

Did you say something?

[golden tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-oh-the-misery-dopino-cool-dopino-cat-gif-25092360

[spring fog]

Yeah

[gray nebula]

s o true the W

doing this right now

[golden tulip]

fastest sugg approval in the west

[spring fog]

I've been thinking about making boss summoning more unique ngl

It would make calamity feel like an rpg of sorts

[eternal escarp]

everyone has

[spring fog]

Improving world exploration

[golden tulip]

(kidding aside thats both already planned

[eternal escarp]

but then again theres also the people that hate unique because they need to wait for like

2 minutes

to get an anahita spawn 🚎

[golden tulip]

more world exploration and summoning items being made more unique

[indigo heart]

Tell them to play Boss Rush then and stfu.

[spring fog]

They could disable it on settings maybe

[eternal escarp]

no

[small timber]

'you need to explore to obtain boss summon? you mean I cannt craft a summon immediately from woods? OMG THIS IS THE WORST CHANGE EVER'

[eternal escarp]

configs for stuff like this is cringe

the correct answer is

make things cool regardless

[small timber]

no, just disregard those people who dont want it

[golden tulip]

the correct answer is 2024

[spring fog]

Ight

[indigo heart]

Because this works all the time.

[eternal escarp]

anyhow yeah overhauling the actual inbetween boss content is something that will happan

[small timber]

you cant really cater towards every single type of player

[eternal escarp]

i.e biome overhauls

[indigo heart]

My friends besides the tank and rogue are filthy casuals that get murdered in under 30s every fight. They play the game of staying alive long enough if 2 of us dies so we can respawn.

[small timber]

though is underground desert/desert part of it? I only know sunken sea and brimstone crag is the closest one

[eternal escarp]

i forgot the order but the next major update is a biome overhaul

[golden tulip]

ss first

[eternal escarp]

idk bout that idea specficially

but their reasoning is answered with the stuff planned i think

[spring fog]

I've also been thinking about "quest for the sun" too, wanna hear it?

[golden tulip]

..

[small timber]

but ya if that is the case I think technically the suggestion should be fine, at least not overlapping with devplans.png

[eternal escarp]

idk if their sugg specifically is added unless im super clueless and iban planned something in the shadows of secrets

[small timber]

(unless they have other idea for unique obtainment method of DS summon)

[indigo heart]

Here's a suggestion. Make the world B.I.G.G.E.R.

[spring fog]

Every boss spawner should be unique ngl

[eternal escarp]

lol

lmao

making the world bigger is an issue i think afaik

[indigo heart]

Late game the world feels claustrophobic.

[small timber]

the devs did say they can support larger than large world right now, and larger world can fit in more structures after the biome reworks without cramming everything in small spaces

[eternal escarp]

i have never felt thaty with a large world tbh

[spring fog]

Like for example, maybe worm food (EoW) would be found at a hidden chest on the corruption crags

[eternal escarp]

EoW has the

shadow orbs

lol

[spring fog]

Oh

I forgor

[eternal escarp]

every vanilla boss has a unique spawn

[small timber]

ye, vanilla ones probably best left untouched

[eternal escarp]

except EoC and mechs

[small timber]

EoC even have night natural spawn

[eternal escarp]

i dont count natural spawns but you can

[indigo heart]

Don't make early game content hard to find because it goes against the game design ethos. Easier to progress -> harder to progress/find things.

[eternal escarp]

it appears you have never tried to get a king slime summon via RNG (slime rain)

[indigo heart]

No, I just wait for it happen because lmao, King Slime.

[fossil finch]

theres no game design ethos but what you say is right in this case anyway'

[spring fog]

Next suggestion ill post will ve "quest for the sun"

AKA making Providence spawn more interesting

[small timber]

pretty sure important bosses like providence and stuff probably are semi-planned already, or a little too far fetch

[indigo heart]

Make a place in the game where I can't get there in under 1s with a potion.

[fossil finch]

i dont think you should post it because my making wrong assumptions power is up the charts which means your idea is probably not that great

[small timber]

for EoC (personally) I do count while for mechs are not; mainly because EoC kinda force you out of the "no boss afk gameplay" part of early game terraria

[fossil finch]

anyways yeah all important bosses already have their own stuff planed
(profaned,, biome, profane (profaned (the biome (the experience

[indigo heart]

Also, I'm only in this chat because Russia has removed half of my stuff to do at work.

[small timber]

no politics here, but ya, then in that case providence is probably already set

since if a suggestion conflict with devs plan it is much more likely for it to not get passed

[fossil finch]

i dont think saying russia exists is very political disocrd user xpcqe326

[indigo heart]

Not starting a politics convo. just saying that I got nothing to do. We lost a client to suspension from Ukraine.

[small timber]

(it is for precaution, but ya)

[swift wharf]

that ds summon sugg looks pretty specific

[small timber]

since you never know if it will become a rant/convo real quick

[spring fog]

Dang, would be cool to get a Quest by Providence herself, only to find out she was using us all along and confront her

[fossil finch]

it does but they're going to do desert ruins anyway

[indigo heart]

I don't have another project assigned yet to my free time.

[fossil finch]

why would providence ever quest you with something that is not destroying the entire world

[small timber]

the current lore of providence is pretty much she is a semi-sentient rock so not sure if she will be deceptive like that

[fossil finch]

(why would providence ever quest you

i don't think she can talk but she's intelligent

[spring fog]

The quest would be some stuff to enhance her power without you, the terrarian knowing

[indigo heart]

I thought Providence was partially based on Touhou shit.

[small timber]

that might fit scal more than providence, but again devs (seems to) have no plan to make scal appear earlier with how they denied a lot of suggestions related to similar idea

[fossil finch]

as intelligent as you can consider a hardcore nihilist to be

providence is not based on any touhou shit

[indigo heart]

So just the weapon references then.

[swift wharf]

what reference?

if this is a donor item moment istg

[fossil finch]

idk how that would make sense
Anyways wouldn't if be funny if you were chilling and this

[spring fog]

After Providence regains some of her power, she will ask you to join her on the destruction of the world, you refuse, making her rage and start the fight

[eternal escarp]

the only touhou references i know of are the dono butterfly summon and phups dev item

[fossil finch]

there is at least one non dedicated touhou reference in calamity

[spring fog]

Scarlet devil

[swift wharf]

donor item

developer item

[eternal escarp]

that one, yes

[swift wharf]

litearlly the same thing

[fossil finch]

isn't event horizon's name from (in this specific

[swift wharf]

(for this context

[small timber]

dark spark too, there are some (just not quite providence related)

[fossil finch]

as intelligent as you can consider a hardcore nihilist to be

[indigo heart]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Pristine_Fury
A song for Junko from Touhou.

[swift wharf]

I see

the ex leg drop

[fossil finch]

oh no not event horizon, recitation of the beast is

my internet is dying

[eternal escarp]

close enough

[swift wharf]

anyways why is touhou relevant

[eternal escarp]

there are 2 direct references and 3 drawing inspirations but whatever

who cares yeah

[spring fog]

Blast what do you think about making Providence a Quest and then a fight? Details are above

[indigo heart]

This entire convo is a tangent from one comment about Providence lore.

[eternal escarp]

dont bother suggesting it iirc

not to be rude but

yeah

[swift wharf]

too specific

and pretty
?

pretty ?-ish

[eternal escarp]

regardless of future profaned whateverness

theres no reason provi will send you on a quest when she is (afaik) hibernating in the sun

[fossil finch]

oh no not event horizon, recitation of the beast is

[gray nebula]

youy are LITTERALLY not clueless oomfie

😭

[eternal escarp]

((whats the lore rn))

[gray nebula]

u saw it

[swift wharf]

also arent desert medallions planned to spawn in desert chests or am I insane

[eternal escarp]

did i 🚎

[fossil finch]

dom doing that desert ruin worldgen in never

[gray nebula]

litterally yesterday

#583454384290267147 message

[eternal escarp]

ypur internet died

[gray nebula]

or earlier than that

[swift wharf]

lurker

[gray nebula]

spoolky

[fossil finch]

it did

[eternal escarp]

iban you missed the

[swift wharf]

dev channel item NOOOO

[eternal escarp]

trollybuss

[swift wharf]

item?

[indigo heart]

LEMME EEEEIIN.

[eternal escarp]

(it refers to my action of trollying)

[fossil finch]

thank you for answering my indirectly asked question dom

[eternal escarp]

wtf dom lurk

[gray nebula]

oh dang

[eternal escarp]

real

[gray nebula]

whats that desert ruin worldgen

[swift wharf]

link*

[eternal escarp]

anyways ill depart from this convo now

stop LURKING dom

good

okay bye

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[indigo heart]

Same, gonna work on some TML hacksexploitscheats experimental mods.

[frosty trellis]

Just do the desert medallion in the desert chest suggestion chance instead bc doesn't fuck up world gen and gives a chance for DS to be easily encountered

[gray nebula]

yea

[fossil finch]

cringe

[gray nebula]

tho issue is that since its non consumable it might fill ur inv

[fossil finch]

worldgen is cool

[spring fog]

We can't let lazy people enjoy things

!!!

[drowsy plank]

not any worse than vanilla eye or queen slime spawn shards

[indigo heart]

"lazy", you mean people who aren't NEETs with like 8 hours/day to play Terraria?

[frosty trellis]

LMFAO

Nah nah nah

The nohitters

[swift wharf]

the entirety of cmt

[spring fog]

It would take you 30 minutes to explore the whole thing if you're slow

!!!

[frosty trellis]

The entire underground desert?

[swift wharf]

link*

[indigo heart]

When I have 1-2 hours max a day to play TML.

[frosty trellis]

Dunno on that one Chief

[swift wharf]

my internet failed me

[spring fog]

Only going for the item would take 5 minutes at best

[swift wharf]

ignore that link*

[frosty trellis]

Like, the ruins idea is cool and all

But like

[spring fog]

No, just a small part of it, like a railroad

[frosty trellis]

That is going to fuck with worldgen more

[swift wharf]

the problem is it's too speficicicicic

[frosty trellis]

And the sunken sea already has worldgen issues

With the underground desert

It's not too specific, since it's a location underground with the DS summon item in it (And everything else is left ambiguous)

But underground desert and sunken sea worldgen is fucky already

Another structure could cause some.... Issues

[drowsy plank]

just rework desert pyramid from vanilla

[frosty trellis]

OH

[swift wharf]

jesse what the hell are you talking about

[frosty trellis]

THAT WOULD WORK

[swift wharf]

they are literally describing it

[frosty trellis]

PYRAMIDS

[indigo heart]

Non-abyss sulfur ocean worldgen is boring as f***.

[frosty trellis]

GUARENTEE A PYRAMID SPAWN AND ONE OF THE ITEMS BEING A DS SUMMON ITEM

[indigo heart]

Even abyss world gen is kinda boring.

[swift wharf]

wait until abyss gets reworked in

[indigo heart]

ALL CAPS MAKES MY POINT BETTER.

[swift wharf]

3.71 years

[frosty trellis]

No I mean the worldgen of the two together can produce some... Interesting results
Like the sunken sea being in the middle of the underground desert and just draining half of it

[drowsy plank]

it does tho :)

[indigo heart]

HAHAHAHA.

[frosty trellis]

That's what I meant lol

[indigo heart]

You mean like the abyss spawning in our world with just 4 blocks stopping it from draining into hell?

[drowsy plank]

nice

[indigo heart]

We were so tempted.

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Well

If you aren't playing on a large world

That will happen more often than not

[indigo heart]

Our tank decided he was gonna mine it, tried to walk up to it and instantly died from water pressure bleed.

[drowsy plank]

i never get draining the abyss unless it's just to get a lot of obsidian

[indigo heart]

We are large.

[drowsy plank]

all ur doing is making it harder to traverse in the future

[indigo heart]

If I had my way, the entire world would be underwater.

[frosty trellis]

And if you drain the abyss

Glhf during the Jared fight

Since you will just die in an instance

[frosty trellis]

Glances at t-edit and cheat sheet paint tools
You can sure as hell have it your way

[indigo heart]

I found the infinite water bucket a few days ago and covered the surface in liquid.

[frosty trellis]

Valid

[indigo heart]

They got mad lmao.

[frosty trellis]

Valid

But also just water walking potions

[indigo heart]

I want to stop using combination pots but it isn't until next Terraria patch where they remove the active buff limit.

[frosty trellis]

I think the buff limit was getting extended and not removed? Or am I just on smthin

[indigo heart]

Extended to 999.

[frosty trellis]

Either way that's the entire reason I use Lan's unlimited buff slots so I can play 1.4.4 early

[indigo heart]

But that's cheating yo. it even says so in the server. buff slots not allowed bro.

[frosty trellis]

Where does it say it's cheating? Unless you mean the nohit server then fair

[indigo heart]

yes.

Also, it was a joke.

[frosty trellis]

This is starting to get off topic though
Although I think bc of the buff slot limit being upped to 999 that it's fine since it's gonna happen anyways, and it's just so I can have my potions to help explore and stuff without having to swap it all out during boss fights lol. I can fight with 22 buff slots and have just fine

I'm just lazy

[indigo heart]

I use every pot and I have no regrets.

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[grim tusk]

@unique vector Specific sugg

[unique vector]

@spring fog your suggestion is a bit too specific

you want to word it to where you’re requesting a general feature or game piece you want to be expanded upon, not telling us the ins and outs of an idea you had for us to excute

probably would be nice to explain a bit more about why exactly you want a “ruins” specifically, or to just generalize the suggestion to suggest more environmental structures

[hollow shell]

@topaz falcon Consider this a verbal warning for your joke sugg
Doing the whole "It wasn't a joke I actually want this" thing for a 2 word 'suggestion' is not only annoying but has been done to death by others before you

[topaz falcon]

:/

sorry

[hollow shell]

@graceful nymph ^

[hollow shell]

@vast summit We will, in the future

It'll be after we complete a lot of the other stuff we want to get done, because adding him will be like a final capping point

[vast summit]

Add noxus

[frail mantle]

maybe eventually

[raw crystal]

anahita summon item, someone suggest

[hollow shell]

We will
After Yharim

[hollow shell]

Has been suggested many times
It's in the Don'ts doc in fact

[frail mantle]

summon items are boring

[vast summit]

Actually serious question will xeroc be a boss

[inner anvil]

Yes.

[frail mantle]

there are more creative ways to summon bosses

[hollow shell]

We will likely have some alternative solution to Anahita's spawn reliability

[vast summit]

Nice

[frail mantle]

like some piece of furniture that massively increases ??? spawn rates or something like that

[hollow shell]

Yes but it's too far off to know how the fight dynamic would work

[vast summit]

Literally the radiance from hollow knight

[hollow shell]

no that's Providence

[vast summit]

Kinda true

providence is more like nkg though

[frail mantle]

team cherry liked prov's fight so much they added the radiance in a week as the final boss of hollow knight

[hollow shell]

That is one of the biggest funnies, that Prov came first

[vast summit]

Actually wait are you guys planning on revamping the temple for yharim

[hollow shell]

Nah

I don't think Yharim has any connection to the Jungle Temple anymore in the lore

We have newer plans for where his fight will take place, which're spoilers

[drifting wing]

yharim biome

[vast summit]

You can tell me I won’t tell anyone

Pinkie promise

[hollow shell]

finally a usage for this emote

[raw crystal]

its |this one| right?

~this~

which is eet

this

thank

[gray nebula]

???

this suggestion is having a hard time being understandable

[unborn oriole]

What does acid rain have to do at all

How are buff slots permanent buffs

[raw crystal]

its a good position for the first increase in buff slots to be put

[unborn oriole]

Permanent buffs are like

[raw crystal]

if they were added

[unborn oriole]

Hp and mana upgrades

Not

[raw crystal]

and rage and adrenaline

[unborn oriole]

Buff slots

[unborn oriole]

Yeah that 2

[raw crystal]

So we could make the drunk princess's candles useful without QoL mods

[unborn oriole]

They are

Already

Useful

[inner anvil]

But they are though.

[unborn oriole]

The game is balanced around 22 buffs slots (vanilla number)

I always play like that and have fun doing so

I dont see why we would need more

Besides

[raw crystal]

maybe, if summons did not exist which is a fair point

[unborn oriole]

There are already mods for that

[frail mantle]

i think the next vanilla update is doubling the buff slot cap

[unborn oriole]

I always play summoner

You play around summons

Wich means

You play around your buff slots counting minions

[raw crystal]

odd way to do it but alright

[unborn oriole]

Not like summoners need many buffs

Only wrath, yharim's steroids, summoning, bewitched, 1-2 minions and you're good to go

[raw crystal]

oh

[unborn oriole]

Maybe cadace and Titan scale too

[raw crystal]

would it be fair to say you try to nohit it then?

[unborn oriole]

I have already done so

[raw crystal]

ok that makes more sense

[unborn oriole]

You only minmax damage and ms

[fossil finch]

vanilla will duply the amount of buff slots in labor of love anwyay

[unborn oriole]

And then die again and again

[fossil finch]

so its
completely irrelevant to ask for
more buff slots

[unborn oriole]

Yeah that too

Or just use Fargo's lol

[drowsy plank]

truly the suggestion of all time

love how the acid rain part is just completely dropped

also as someone who plays ranger a lot
i have literally never got a meaningful upgrade from the acid rain. it sure does exist i guess

[unborn oriole]

"Oh hey acid rain is cool, and yeah pls more slots cuz summoners hate 22 slots (not true)"

[grim tusk]

One thing has nothing to do with the other

And idk why people want summoner to be EVEN MORE OP

Heck the title is even wrong

“More permanent buffs”
Asks for more buff slots instead of say max hp/mana or proficiency (which was a mistake)

@hollow shell this sugg needs to be executed doesnt it?

#suggestions-voting message also how did this make it to #suggestions-voting

[hollow shell]

It used to be a lot more specific, but they reduced it down to just the name
The rest of it is reasoning, so it's fine

And yeah this most recent sugg uhhhh

I'm not seeing the connection between Acid Rain T1 and the addition of permanent minion slots

Oh, more buff slots, even

[swift wharf]

wait how does t1 affect ranger

you get
toxicbow and rusty medallion

[raw crystal]

necklace

(craftable)

[hollow shell]

wdym Acid Rain T1 only has benefits for rangers and rogues
Nuclear Toads drop a summon weapon, Water Leeches drop a magic weapon

Sulphuric Scales can be used to craft weapons for each class

[swift wharf]

rusty medallion and toxicbow fucking suck

actual worst accessory

[unborn oriole]

I should make a sugg to rework that shit

[swift wharf]

this suggestion makes no sense

please do

[unborn oriole]

I just need to actually have a good idea for once

[swift wharf]

the testes are aware of toxibow though

[worthy lintel]

toxibow

[swift wharf]

[hot zephyr]

we're aware of rusty medallion too

[swift wharf]

I think everyone is

noob bait accessory

[golden tulip]

are you aware of the aerial bane

[swift wharf]

[frosty trellis]

Was gonna say what do you mean melee but then I looked it up and apparently the basher exists, which I never knew until now bc like, BoG exists for true melee and is fantastic

Does anyone use the basher?

Over BoG?

[hollow shell]

Brain of Gthulhu?

[fossil finch]

blade of grass

[hollow shell]

oh

Yeah Basher could use some attention

All the Sulph Scale weapons could

Give em the Victide touch

[fossil finch]

yes

made basher the spirit bat type of weapons i think

tha tyou like hold ans lam on the floor

[hollow shell]

Yes exactly

[lofty hedge]

Those weapons are cool.

Or, maybe give it a swing similar to that of a baseball bat.

It kinda looks like one.

[hollow shell]

https://youtu.be/TZ7kUss8bjo

[lofty hedge]

Exactly what I was thinking of.

[swift wharf]

pre-hm slap hand

[lofty hedge]

But more unique.

[swift wharf]

yes

tungsten armor synergy

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-discussion message

[unborn oriole]

Oh thanks for mentioning that

[drowsy plank]

np

[bright crag]

Rover, hi
I wanted to ask you

Malice is being removed because of alleged impopularity, mainly because of features it has lost over time

So shouldn't there be a public vote, to gauge interest in leaving current Malice?

[drowsy plank]

read the pins

jesus christ you have a role too

[bright crag]

Oh, really

[bright crag]

I am aware of all that

[drowsy plank]

do not

[bright crag]

I am asking nonetheless

[drowsy plank]

discuss malice here

it's literally the first pin

[bright crag]

Oh, lovely then

[drowsy plank]

i dont want to see another 6 hour malice debate which is why the rule was made in the first place

[bright crag]

I assume there have been debates, then

[drowsy plank]

LOTS

[inner anvil]

And all of them are circles.

Not worth anyone's time.

Both sides are valid and Calamity had to choose one.

[hollow shell]

Yes please let us not discuss this
We're not backing down on our decision

[unique vector]

sugg disc HELL!!!

[rotund owl]

They should add DoG to CS.Source

very cool collab

[drowsy plank]

damn bro that's mad funny

[rotund owl]

i mean

it was funny to me

[sand ermine]

how does this suggestion sound?
(suggestion in #suggestions-posting)

[drowsy plank]

sounds fine to me

[sand ermine]

alr

[cobalt pewter]

no way, a textbook

[icy sedge]

like the one they have for healing potions?

[sand ermine]

i guess

[hollow shell]

Yeah this makes sense

We have sound for Potion Sickness ending and Chaos State ending

So this would fit

[frosty trellis]

There's a sound made with ending of chaos state?

Since when?

[hollow shell]

Dunno when it was added but it was relatively recent

[frosty trellis]

Ik about the potion sickness one

[hollow shell]

I think it was added at the same time as Potion Sickness's

[frosty trellis]

I've played in the most recent update and used RoD a fair bit

I've heard the potion sickness one since I've started playing calamity

Never once heard the chaos state one

[frosty trellis]

Potion sickness is something I always listen for

I've never heard the chaos state over one. First time I've heard it

[hollow shell]

I heard it in my current playthrough

so, 🤷

[frosty trellis]

Dang

I've never heard it even when using RoD abuse against DoG

[drowsy plank]

i hear it all the time

but you gotta listen for it

[frosty trellis]

You must have too

Bc the potion sickness one is in your face and easy to hear

Might wanna turn the chaos state one up a notch

[sand ermine]

Damn

I thought the sounds were coming from Fargo's Mutant tbh lol

[frosty trellis]

I thought it was Alchlite until I saw the icon for the dodge cooldown

Then realized that's probably calamity

[sand ermine]

I just never really thought about it once I came to the wrong conclusion that it was Fargo's Mutant

[drowsy plank]

art server "leaks"

[gray nebula]

it should be the easiest setting to implement

uh?

not raelly

idk if it uses any IL editing or stuf

[safe oasis]

disabling the feature would be to simply not use it iirc

[frosty trellis]

Also still in phm

[safe oasis]

though i agree bandit refunding is pointless now that tinkerer isn’t rng anymore

[frosty trellis]

Let me guess, pumpler abuser?

[frosty trellis]

It's not completely

With how expensive the candles are once you get to hardmode

Actually play out the mod. Master-Death really cranks up the difficulty post Mechs

You are making assumptions purely based on a post-skeletron perspective

[safe oasis]

what

was that referring to me or the suggester

because there was no transition there

[frosty trellis]

Oh

Sorry

But yeah, the suggester needs to play the mod fully before making suggestions like that

Bc reforging endgame gets really pricey

Extremely pricey I might add

Even with the reforging system overall getting menacing or warding on everything endgame is going to drain 50+ plat sometimes

[grave zinc]

@fresh stone - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Yharon's weapon drops inflict Dragonfire]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fresh stone - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Yharon's weapon drops inflict Dragonfire]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[fresh stone]

Hell yeah

[distant gyro]

Dragonfire now does 500 base DPS to enemies

(it didn't have a value before)

[fresh stone]

I always thought it was weird even back when it was lethal lava burn

[drowsy plank]

that was fast

[zenith hazel]

and it might deal more damage to you next update

:)

[ruby plover]

you better be joking

[frosty trellis]

500 DPS over a 5 minute long fight (test time for SCal) is 150k
That ain't anything to scoff at

[zenith hazel]

we can always nerf it

[distant gyro]

for scal it would be 75k since she resists it

[hollow shell]

Ah right, the vulnerability system

[small timber]

I mean, if the immune to dragonfire is more accessible by all classes it will be welcome

Currently it feels really weird to basically use a ranger accessory for dragonfire immunity (though admittedly I use it all the time despite it)

The only other instance of this is like nuclear rod which give irradiation immunity but is a summoner accessory (eldritch soul artifact do not really give relevant boost to all class but it is at least still all class)

[ashen warren]

I think about.suggesting a rework of Omega blue armors tentacle sprite. Any1 else think they look weird?

Didnt knew that thx.

[short walrus]

@sonic fox ping a tester for that before you suggest it

[small timber]

rogue moment

[short walrus]

Ah, a ditcher

[ashen warren]

Hm I have a second one about Omega blue. Rather than have abyssal madness beeing an activated ability trigger and passively keep it while on low health. Or maybe that way(also passive): increase crit, damage/range of tentacles and visual madness effects gradually the lower your hp. Could for example give 1 tile per 10% health missing and would allow to slowly dive deeper into Madness visuals.

[small timber]

that will make it... even more awkward than the current version?

people already hate the current version (basically only nohitter use it) because it cancel life regen, now stacking a low life condition on top of it will further enforce the whole nohitter only armor thing

[ashen warren]

So it would be an upgrade for the only playstyle it is used on currently?

[short walrus]

Debatable

Calamity does not want to support nohitting directly

[small timber]

no, it would make it even worse for basically a gear 99% of the playerbase (already) cannot use at all

[small timber]

and it will even make it worse for nohitters

because the current set bonus is super ideal to be use alongside adrenaline

[hot zephyr]

if an armor set is so polarized to only be useful for a niche selection of the community, it should be made more accessible. not the other way around

[small timber]

ye, (though the last time I try to suggest making the no regen only activate during boss didnt do so well, but seeing how things are now that idea go into the dumpster)

[hot zephyr]

if omega blue isn't useful, ask for a rework. list the issues present in the current set.

[small timber]

the issue is just it is the single least comfy armor to use tbh

[hot zephyr]

i'd recommend not being specific on what the rework SHOULD be, because I've seen a lot of suggestions get declined not because there isn't an underlying issue but rather the solution suggested isn't received well

[small timber]

• it nullify all life regen = cant get hit (nohitter)
• its healing component entirely rely on tentacles which is short range, short range = somehow try to not get hit (nohitter)
• only upside is big damage but low defense = (nohitter)

[ashen warren]

Well my thought the was to increase the range with low hp/ or gradually the lower the HP. It could give synergy with rampart of deities then.

[sonic fox]

ok

i need the name of one tester

[small timber]

^

(in pinned message)

[sonic fox]

ok

[swift wharf]

dear god

config hell

[small timber]

(ping in this channel, not #suggestions-posting )

[sonic fox]

ok

@hot zephyr

what's your opinion about a nerf on fishbone boomerang?

[umbral gazelle]

why is this emoji named nuclear option

[small timber]

basically rogue weapon moment, with how stealth strike works there is always some rogue weapon bound to be incredibly broken

but ya things like that I feel are less like a nerf but probably not intended to be that strong in the first place

[sonic fox]

ye

[hot zephyr]

fishbone boomerang was already tested in the testing branch
we're aware of it being too strong against EoC
afaik nothing has been done yet

[sonic fox]

my opnion about it is to make him only be able to hit a single target only one time

[swift wharf]

configs

[hot zephyr]

I hate Configuration Options!
I hate Configuration Options!
I hate Configuration Options!

slowly bloating the menu with hyperspecific tweaks that don't really matter

[swift wharf]

also is that suggestion even allowed

it's suggesting more than one thing

• don't use blood orbs and just craft potions normally?

same with angler kits

[small timber]

ya the Extra part feels completely unrelated to the suggestion

it just becomes a suggestion to ask configs for a bunch of completely unrelated things

(and the suggestion boils down to reject calamity, return to vanilla; the suggestion give me the feeling that they come from vanilla to calamity and just dislike every single vanilla altering changes)

[hot zephyr]

there's a point to be made about the goblin tinkerer rework, even if I think you're weird for liking vanilla goblin

everything else.... idk man

[small timber]

the very agreeable reasoning for tinkerer reforge config I feel is always that it is for mod compatibility, but the suggestion is just, 'I dislike getting best enchant easily'?

[sonic fox]

just why?

[golden tulip]

would a suggestion to heavily nerf the money be good

[small timber]

you mean boss farming for money? I think (I heard) they are on their way to nerf some of them

[distant gyro]

yeah

[small timber]

(inevitable 30 votes suggestion because people like overpowered stuffs)

[golden tulip]

yea

[swift wharf]

inevitable "just grind more lmao"

[golden tulip]

it is absolutely broken since 2.0

1.70 plat from a single cryo bag

[swift wharf]

as someone who cheats 129330219 platinum idnc

[golden tulip]

10 plat from twins

[grim tusk]

Yea it was inconsistent as shit as well

Sometimes it did what it did on the vid, or even kill EoC in 15 seconds

Other times took like 3 minutes to kill EoC

[distant gyro]

probably -1 iframe it

[small timber]

people will complain about it so much to readd it

and you basically can resell boss drops for money anyway (so it will not really "kill" boss farming for money), the current money values just seems to be a bit buggy

[hollow shell]

Buggy?

[serene tendon]

I said it wouldn't kill boss farming, and that was one point for it. It will still be viable just not broken

[small timber]

based off of this, but ya I really only notice 1 king slime is 50 gold somehow, and generally boss do drop a lot of golds, just I personally didnt encounter bosses droping plats or things like that

[serene tendon]

I got 150 plat just by farming Moon Lord several times for an item

It is so OP

[hollow shell]

I do think having cash only drop on first kill is a good idea

[small timber]

I vaguely remember isnt (even) moon lord supposed to only drop 25 gold per kill? so I thought the current numbers is just not intended

[serene tendon]

I think that is the vanilla number

[hollow shell]

I would like for money to actually mean something

[serene tendon]

Ikr!

[inner anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-fall-bryan-cranston-cry-dying-gif-7619047

[small timber]

oh no

[small timber]

but ya tbh I am not opposed to the idea, just I will imagine people will complain about readding it

[serene tendon]

Yup. Calamity summons were balanced on being the only summon damage. Due to whips they need a big nerf

[small timber]

(so I really prefer to just, make them drop massively reduced amount of money, rather than straight up none on subsequent kill)

[cobalt pewter]

money drops and the price of the stuff boss drops can potentially make money

💥

I think diminishing returns would be fine, so for the first few times you get a good chunk but past that you'll just significantly reduce the amount of money you get from a boss

but that's just the money

[serene tendon]

Maybe the same could be true for weapons when sold, but that might be too big a change.

[cobalt pewter]

the stuff themselves that can be sold would be trickier to handle

[serene tendon]

definitely

[hollow shell]

Add a dynamic economy based on supply and demand
If you keep selling the same things in bulk, their value drops

[cobalt pewter]

make NPCs recognize that you fought bosses multiple times before you go to them, and they'll tank the sell values if so

[grim tusk]

Me when we knew about this but summoner cannot be balanced atm 🗿

[serene tendon]

That would be too much imo, just make weapons of the same type only sell for anything the first time you sell them to a specific NPC

[small timber]

make npcs cant buy boss drops, they cant use it anyway, boom problem solved

[serene tendon]

Yeah deffo

[cobalt pewter]

that's just another case of boss binary that cal is getting rid of in the first place

[hot zephyr]

money in terraria is permanently broken and no mod nor even re-logic can fix it

[drowsy plank]

money will always be meaningless because if you dont farm bosses you can just afk farm enemies

[cobalt pewter]

best you can do is slow the players down from selling stuff in bulk tbh

[serene tendon]

Make enemies not drop money

[drowsy plank]

im killing you

[serene tendon]

Then you have to sell stuff

[hollow shell]

Maybe this could be resolved by making it so boss summon items only get consumed when you beat the boss
which is something Fargo does with its bosses iirc

So you can attempt the fight as many times as you need, but repeated farming requires you to expend the resources for the summon each time

[drowsy plank]

so then why do it you're literally just back to square one?????????????

[hot zephyr]

Just reduce the money rewards

Don't reinvent the wheel

[cobalt pewter]

no one's gonna stop me from making a new wheel for my bike 🚎

[serene tendon]

What do you mean? You sell stuff you find in chests to save up. Then death means something aswell

[hollow shell]

Except it's still effortless to sit there and hold LMB on earlier bosses which you can spawn infinitely

[drowsy plank]

money drops were fine where they were before the drop rate reworks

[serene tendon]

For bosses yes, but not for their drops

[small timber]

or maybe reduce boss drop price across the globe by like 90%

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

make prices scale with progression

[cobalt pewter]

I think people have agreed upon tanking the money drops already, we're thinking of the stuff that can be sold

[hot zephyr]

it's an inherently broken system that cal doubles down on, in attempt to at least make some incentive to not bitchslap boc a billion times

[swift wharf]

unless that would make selling give you more money which would do jackshit then

[hot zephyr]

buy something for cheap

wait a few bosses

sell for more than you bought it for

stonks :)

[drowsy plank]

terraria stonks

[cobalt pewter]

yeah progression based stuff will never work

[swift wharf]

real stock market hours

[hollow shell]

Quincy Collectable Action Figure

[small timber]

just introduce inflation to terraria

[drowsy plank]

honestly adding stock investments to terraria would be the funniest shit

[cobalt pewter]

supply and demand is a good answer from rover honestly

[swift wharf]

just like cruelt-

[cobalt pewter]

no way

real life terraria

inb4 tax collector actually functions and will also drain your money

[hot zephyr]

money in terraria is stupid but I'd rather have it remain stupid than upend the system entirely for what will amount to little benefit because we'll just find the newest way to minmax

[drowsy plank]

true!!!

[cobalt pewter]

oh wait.

tax collector is a thing

I completely forgot

[drowsy plank]

and he's buffed next update

[hot zephyr]

trying to fix terraria's horrible economy would be like fighting a hydra

just slash the coin drops

[small timber]

gut the bosses direct coin drop and make the selling value of all items reduce by 90%

[hot zephyr]

personally I'd be fine if nothing was done because a majority of the bosses with big payouts are at least slightly more of a challenge than grinding your 40th BoC

[small timber]

main income will become tax collector really quickly

[golden tulip]

would it be an idea to suggest calamity removes the vanilla multiplayer boss hp scaling nerf

[hollow shell]

You could suggest that, it's been sugg'd before

[golden tulip]

how far did it get

[hot zephyr]

I'd love for caldev to stop charging exorbitant prices for items as well, especially cases like RoD

[small timber]

(it is still a mystery how the MP hp scaling nerf happen in the first place when it really isnt a big scaling in vanilla)

[cobalt pewter]

just nerf demonite and crimtane bars sell value to 1 copper then

[golden tulip]

^my point

[cobalt pewter]

problem solved

[cobalt pewter]

[small timber]

RoD is like a one time purchase, maybe two time so I will give it a pass

[hot zephyr]

like I said

it's a hydra

[small timber]

readd RoD fishing recipe

[hot zephyr]

if crimtane bars die we move onto the next abusable gimmick

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

waste of dev time

[golden tulip]

oh very far actually

[cobalt pewter]

if boc and eow are truly the big deal of economy fuckery and the others can be tolerated, just gut the first two and leave it at that

[sonic fox]

and if all die we go to the old lucky coin farms that make 255 platinum coins an hour

[golden tulip]

might do it later

[hot zephyr]

boc and eow are definitely outliers but they're not the only cases

[small timber]

255 plat an hour is like, very slow, compare to what is happening I think

[hollow shell]

At least AFK farms require setups

[hot zephyr]

farms in terraria 💀

[drowsy plank]

you cannot fix money, and the gameplay effect that a functional money system would have is incredibly minimal

[cobalt pewter]

"I'm still gonna judge you for the decision, but at least you take effort to get there" is basically my take on afk farms

[hot zephyr]

even in something with a more streamlined money system like Stardew Valley, you're only really limited for so long until you find a way to unravel the game and bend it to your will

[golden tulip]

just make bosses drop less money wdym its not that complicated what am i missing

[sleek turret]

the only reason I remember doing for afk farms was to grind dungeon chest keys

atleast in vanilla since in calamity you can just kill a boss

[cobalt pewter]

that is already agreed on, one of the other issues talked about was the stuff that could be sold

[golden tulip]

right

[hollow shell]

We'd also need to nerf the sell price of all boss dropped items

Which

would be tedious but it's doable

[golden tulip]

cant it be an overall % nerf

[hot zephyr]

but why :)

[cobalt pewter]

definitely not a high, or even mid, priority; but it's feasible

[golden tulip]

because rn getting money requires 3 times less effort than in 1.5

[hot zephyr]

0 * 3 = 0

[golden tulip]

ok so money was cranked up to a 100 in 2.0 and now youre like
"welp. its even more stupid now. guess ill do nothing"

[small timber]

ok so in the end before going through all the effort of thinking ways to more efficiently nerf money farm: what is money even used for now? as in, what kind of situation do you need 9999 platinum coins

[golden tulip]

none

[small timber]

so... basically the money farm can just be there and nobody will care since there is nothing to spend on anyway?

[sonic fox]

when you want to use the elon musk gun

[small timber]

I think money only really matter in preHM, maybe HM, then afterwards I never look at money again

[hot zephyr]

nerfing boss coin drops is fine
changing sell values sounds like a horrible idea

[hollow shell]

reductio ad absurdum
"Whoops, we accidentally made it so all enemies drop 1 platinum each
Well, it was already possible to set up a system of lava, candles, and conveyors after obtaining the Lucky Coin and get a few platinum every hour
So it was basically effortless anyway"

[golden tulip]

requires considerably more effort

[fossil finch]

Remove money

Everything is traded for now

A(im not allowed to disclose)

[golden tulip]

in 1.5 it was - for me - considerably easier to run out of money so i would argue that it being made a completely effortless task now is bad

[hot zephyr]

nonsense
We made endlessly farming every boss exorbitantly broken instead of just evil1
Return the values to 1.5, and we farm Brain again
Go further, and suddenly we're grinding Cryogen or Ravager
Go even further and we result in more tedious grinding for a system that was broken before Calamity even existed

[cobalt pewter]

you trade items with a he

rb

[swift wharf]

the horrors of capitalism

[fossil finch]

with a herb indeed

[sonic fox]

Calamity 2.1 The prehistoric update

[golden tulip]

but i dont need to farm a boss because a single twins kill already gets me 10 plat

[fossil finch]

Is it really capitalism when otherworldly creatures drop thousands of gold bars worth

[cobalt pewter]

everything now only drops and sells for 1 copper, good luck buying anything

[hot zephyr]

then just
reduce the 2.0 buffs

[sleek turret]

a single kill twins gives around 1 plat afaik

[hollow shell]

s'why I have faith in this idea
It's much harder to farm any boss when the summon items aren't infinite

(And if they use another mod to get infinite summons then that it beyond Calamity balance scope and therefore is irrelevant)

[golden tulip]

yes, that is my point