suggestions-discussion

[fringe sky]

Plus it probably is an issue already somewhat aware by the devs

If BR becomes a major topic focus I'll repost it, or actually I'll just like post it tomorrow or something

[hollow shell]

Alright

[dapper violet]

I know it used to be called the Shroomerang, but was changed because of a vanilla boomerang having the same name

[hollow shell]

mhm

[drowsy plank]

yes that is a true statement

anyway why is mushy buff so weird

i was thinking it might be cool to make a potion or stationary item that gives the buff instead of just... a boss

something like the effigies but that a casual player might actually use

[hollow shell]

Yeah I have no idea why Mushy exists on Crabulon

[fossil finch]

The lore item used to give mushy

[hollow shell]

True

[drowsy plank]

jesus christ they wanted you to give up 10% movement speed for another ironskin + regen potion?

and also only in the mushroom biome

[crude geode]

Back in the day 10% movement speed was nothing thanks to the cap

Now it actually means something tho

[proud quest]

true dat

[drowsy plank]

i realize it's just funny looking back at them

[proud quest]

@magic verge i personally enjoy building yharon arenas, its just satisfying

[drowsy plank]

i guess

i mean you still would you just wouldnt need to use solid blocks on the borders

and for bosses like scal and yharon i think it is a good thing to let you build an arena without the optimal play being to spawn them in and die to them to find the arena borders

why are people arguing against making it easier to build a yharon arena

also i think that might already be planned @brittle cave, but i also remember saying this before and this kind of sugg getting into voting anyway so whatever, but it'll probably get implemented whether your suggestion passes or not, so at least you can know that

[brittle cave]

oh, didnt know that was planned xd

[drowsy plank]

honestly while i think it would be weird if the flamenadoes didnt do damage, id still rather take them just being barriers than to continue the "build walls" meta

[frosty trellis]

I love how there is that build walls meta

Despite me never building walls for yharon

Just don't hit the flarenados

It really isn't that hard

I don't understand how people do it

[cobalt pewter]

blocks are a hard, physical stop as opposed to instant death stop flarenadoes are

there are definitely cases where you accidentally zoomed to the edge with little control

but it's not that common of a case

[hollow shell]

It's not that it's hard to avoid a stationary object
It's that it's annoying to have play around, or at least more annoying than a physical barrier that deals no damage
Having to slow your momentum as you approach the borders, while if you make a wall then you can fly max speed into them until impact

Making a wall removes a potential source of punishment for error

[cobalt pewter]

actuate all blocks when yharon is alive

🚎

[frosty trellis]

I can see that

But then I have to create and entire platform for where I need to spawn Yharon

And it's just easier to not build it imo and just fight him in the world long arena I already had prepared anyways

[hollow shell]

Awesome
World-long arena

Average user.

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[brisk bison]

That crabulon idea isnt bad

[unborn oriole]

@pallid crane Elaborate

[cobalt pewter]

my brother in Christ I was joking

[unborn oriole]

Best weapon for each tier

[pallid crane]

Just qol, whenever you go to Hell you prolly only grab one hellforge because you dont think thinks that you'll need two. On top of that it woukd just make sense for it to work similar to how the Hardmode anvils allow you to craft stuff from the regular ones

just saves the trip

[swift wharf]

Oh I see what they mean

That kind of sounds like an oversight

You'd imagine that smth craftable at a hellforge would also be craftable at a titanium forge

[unborn oriole]

Ohhh i get it

Try putting that on your suggestion

Since like

Only header is breaking some rules y'know

[pallid crane]

didnt read em 💀

[unborn oriole]

Always read rules before suggesting

Bruh

[pallid crane]

I didnt realize

[swift wharf]

This just sounds like a bug tbh

[pallid crane]

could be

[pallid crane]

is my message now better? I couldnt figure out how to make it bold

[unborn oriole]

Yeah, much better

[tired tartan]

Just a thought... Should they nerf the magic weapon, Glorious End?

[swift wharf]

well

there's a list of testers that you can ping for balancing issues

[tired tartan]

are they denoted by a role here?

[swift wharf]

oh it's in the pins

forgot to mention it

[brisk bison]

Does anyone know if they are adding whips in the new update?

[swift wharf]

they will not be adding whips this update

[brisk bison]

Thanks, I was just seeing if I need the, Unofficial Calamity Whips, mod for my next playthrough

[tired tartan]

Thank you for mentioning this to me! Should I ping one of them here if any?

[swift wharf]

yea

and don't worry about pinging them

they're in that list because they're fine with it

[tired tartan]

Ayt!

Hello, @hot zephyr I wanted some insight regarding Glorious End I'm planning to suggest some changes for it, nerfs specifically

[hot zephyr]

its a meme

if it's functionality changes I'd suggest them

numbers wise, yeah it probably does

[tired tartan]

I was hoping for a nerf kind on its functionality

Function-wise, I've been exploiting it as a frame-immunity trigger

ohh. I re-read it now... hm.. Thank you for your insights, @hot zephyr !

[hot zephyr]

it definitely is one of the items in the mod ever

[brisk bison]

That it is

[crude geode]

me when i-frames on a weapon

[tired tartan]

so this has been really going on for a good while ever since its release?

[crude geode]

idk but final dawn is notorious for it's i-frame abuse, and that came out BEFORE glorious end lol

[tired tartan]

hmmm. now I'm having mixed feelings whether to suggest its nerf or not. I'm already suffering so much in Master Revengeance Mod

[grim tusk]

Iframe abuse, huge dmg, stealth melee, area denial, generating stealth (now the only weapon able to do that since Sylvan slasher died), slash nuking Yharon until it was shifted post, slash nuking Thanathos and decent on hearts, the first mobility weapon, etc

[tired tartan]

ooohh

[barren chasm]

wait the paladins mage hammer is worse than the ark of the cosmo's right? why does ark use auric bars and hammer use shadowspec?

[drowsy plank]

is it?

[swift wharf]

because it's a dev item

[barren chasm]

in my opinion yes

[drowsy plank]

well i dont care about your opinion i meant what are the killtime differences on things

cause that's the measure of how good a weapon is vs. another option

im not sure what you'd test dev tier weapons on tho

[swift wharf]

aew

[drowsy plank]

maybe scal/exos?? if ark has a better kill time than pmh then that's probably bad, but i think they already know ark is overtuned for its tier

regardless that's a tester thing and also it's a dev item lol

[hollow shell]

Wait what
Can you not craft Unholy Cores at an Adamantite/Titanium Forge?

Because if not that's definitely a bug

[drowsy plank]

wiki says hellforge too lmao

[hollow shell]

What the wiki says doesn't matter cuz the HM Forges are supposed to inherit Hellforge crafts

You can still craft Hellstone Bars at the HM Forges

@pallid crane Did you actually experience that in-game? You couldn't craft the Cores at a HM Forge, but then when you put down a Hellforge you were able to?

[swift wharf]

that's what I'm sayin

[dapper violet]

Mage Hammer still good to me :3

[barren chasm]

well damn man no need to ba an asshole

be*

[pallid crane]

yeah for some reason it wouldnt allow me to craft it but when i put the hellforge down it did, also recipe browser says that the recipe needs a hellforge

[dapper violet]

I'm not being an asshole, just sharing my thoughts

[barren chasm]

not you

cognitive

[hollow shell]

The HM Forges are supposed to inherit the Hellforge recipes, so that shouldn't have been a problem
You should report this issue in #bugs-read-pins

[pallid crane]

aight

[small timber]

isnt sea urchin spawn extremely common in ocean? it is just not as common for the sulphurous sea version (aquatic urchin)

and magic conch exist now so it is relatively easy to go from one ocean to another

[drowsy plank]

im not, im trying to figure out if hammer is actually underpowered, cause if it needs testing you should actually ping a tester about it

but if it's just a feel thing then w/e

killtimes are a definite sign of an issue

it's how literally every other weapon is tested

[small timber]

hammer is kinda weak ya, compare to other shadowspec weapon

but then shadowspec weapon are known to be unbalanced

[keen zodiac]

yeah i've been having stupidly low dps with the hammer and endgame gear. it takes me several minutes to kill dog

[frosty trellis]

What

It easily takes me less than a minute to kill dog with the hammer

[frozen hornet]

I feel like it'd be better if you list out specific things about artemis that make it harder than the others

I genuinely don't remember what attacks it has

[small timber]

(I think I did write a text file which can be use for reference, at least imo)

oh right there

[frozen hornet]

.txt stinky...

[small timber]

reading the suggestion, I think the title will be more accurate if it mention "rebalance the duo/mecha mayhem phase" instead of just exo mechs rebalancing

since I genuinely think solo twins is fine, it is mostly just when twins is combined with anything

[dire mural]

Ares is evaporated by anything with a sizeable aoe, Thanatos is evaporated by anytging withw. Sizeable aoe and even Thanatos laser spam@is easily dodged compared to artemis regular attacks

Let alone last phase

[small timber]

thanatos nonberzerk need work ya, but berzerk version of thanatos is one of the harder mech

[frozen hornet]

What does meltability relate to difficulty

[small timber]

meanwhile I still dont understand why they refuse to give thanatos positive DR

[dire mural]

Berserk Thanatos has only been an issue for me when I screwed up the t beam play

His laser spam compared to the twins was easy

[small timber]

the problem with berzerk thanatos imo is the t hanos beam is way less threatening than laser spam

[dire mural]

Probably because it’s inconsistent vulnerable

[dire mural]

I find both to be jokes compared to artemis

[small timber]

twins is not really a problem to me tbh

[dire mural]

Apollo is only an issue because of artemis forcing you into apollos attacks

[small timber]

but ya, twins is like the only one where you genuinely need to figure out a way to dodge, while ares and thanatos (especially berzerk) you can just go with your guts and it will work

[dire mural]

Definitelt requires a rework probably but rebalancing at least would be a start

Mainly just slowing artemis the fuck down

[small timber]

I will be honest they should had just give thanatos DR and make it open turret consistently, which already happen during duo/trio phase

[crimson night]

Tbh exo mechs are fun, but it most certainly needs further telegraphing

[dire mural]

Oh I agree it should be tanky, Poor thing gets killed by final dawn before it cna so it’s beam

[small timber]

I will be honest if we are speaking of comparing the difficulty of exo to scal, twins (solo) difficulty is the only one seems right

[crimson night]

I feel bad for thanatos

[dire mural]

The exo mechs would be fun if not for artemis

[crimson night]

It gets shredded

[small timber]

ares solo is way too easy, thanatos solo is threatening but in a wrong way, as in all of its lasers deal much more damage compare to other mechs

[dire mural]

Legit artemis is the main culprit of the visual clutter

I will bet a lot on that

It’s just too much

[crimson night]

It is

[dire mural]

Even by itself the amount of times I get hit by a random apollo blast because I dodge an artemis shotgun is annoying

[crimson night]

Artemis just needs a sound effect or something attached to it so you can react

[small timber]

just so we are not saying about the wrong thing, does the visual clutter means when twins are paired with other mechs (duo/trio), or even solo is visual clutter?

[dire mural]

Or just more wind up and post fire

[dire mural]

Artemis in general

But yes especially when combined with the main mechs

Even with just the twins the amount of times I’ve seen people abs myself get hit by a random apollo blast is because they have to focus so much on artemis

[small timber]

hmm, imo especially trio, artemis is not the main source for visual clutter, it is more with thanatos

[dire mural]

Thanatos 99% of the time is a very focused area regarding the beams

[crimson night]

You can easily outrun thantos

[dire mural]

Artemis covers the entire screen

^this too

[small timber]

since artemis while do a lot of thing is at least extremely predictable, thanatos tend to do "fuck you laser" where they are firing from random timing and direction

[crimson night]

CANT OUTRUN THE FUCKIN SCREEN LASER

[dire mural]

The issue with Thanatos is that you can outrun it and it’s honestly easy to see

Artemis blasts cover entire screen instead of usually one area

And never stop

[small timber]

for reference what difficulty you are playing on?

[dire mural]

Rev

Nothing more then that

[crimson night]

Making thanatos an absolute tank would be really cool tbh

[small timber]

ya I think you can outrun thanatos decently well, but that is with the problem of current exo difficulty scaling

[crimson night]

And would help with this

[dire mural]

I’m fine with Thanatos losing damage and being actually tanky

[small timber]

since currently thanatos is either you easily outrun it or you cant outrun at all (especially malice, but will be removed anyway), on death I think he is decently fast

[dire mural]

When it comes to visual clutter artemis does a screen wide attack every .3s it feels, Thanatos does his laser spam once every 30s and usually in one third of the screen

Obviously numbers aren’t right I don’t time it

But just for an example of what I see disparity wise

[small timber]

I think the biggest thing of affecting the perspective of what mech is difficult is just whether you know artemis pattern or not, which is like, not good (since you either just have to rely on wiki or fighting it like 100 times)

[dire mural]

Or getting lucky

[crimson night]

Artemis should probably

1. Have it's laser hit box reduced
2. Be given a wind up animation
   And then Apollo gets
3. Much higher projectile speed
4. Major increase to projectile range

[small timber]

since artemis is way easier when you know exactly when the shotgun blast will happen, which I think is like, 9th on death and 8th or rev

[dire mural]

Artemis should more importantly get more downtime between its volleys

It legit feels like artemis is constantly a Gatling gun then it turns into a Gatling shotgun

[small timber]

apollo is also a big problem especially in death, it is not noticeable in rev I think but the rocket become a nightmare

[crimson night]

The rocket is annoying ye

But if you go in a 3 way pattern you can dodge it

[dire mural]

Apollo is only a problem@due to artemis if I had to wager, you could focus a lot more on that rocket if not for the vomit frkm artemis

Cause im@guessing artemis is a lot more of a bitch in death if you get hit

[small timber]

though I still hold the opinion that twins solo is the only one with right difficulty, ares needs buff and thanatos need tweaking (not necessarily buff or nerf); duo/trio mech phase just straight up should be rework and the devs do want to do it at some point (at least I heard)

[dire mural]

I fully disagree on twins solo being a right difficulty

[small timber]

but ya imo (solo phase):

artemis - fine
apollo - gets stupid at higher difficulty
ares - too easy
thanatos - also gets stupid at higher difficulty

[crimson night]

Ares could probably be given the ability to do a reverse of the shock attack to make you change direction

[small timber]

my complain with artemis is just you basically is forced to fight it stupid amount of time to know its pattern, then it become easily predictable; the problem lies in you either just have to fight it (a lot) or read on wiki, which is not a nice design

[dire mural]

Artemis chief source of visits iso clutter due to sheer spam at all times
Apollo only hits due to having to focus on other projectiles
Ares: yeah
Thanatos: I can see it, and does need to get tankier

[crimson night]

That would make the fight way more interesting

[dire mural]

Like if artemis had more downtime

Or just was more focused in its fire

Instead of screen wide

[small timber]

part of the reason why artemis (feels) so hard I think it because of its complete lack of proper telegraph

[dire mural]

That too, but that’s also due to how fast it is, hard to make a telegraph for a .3s volley downtime

[small timber]

the telegraph it currently have is like, not helpful in helping you dodging, it is just to tell you what attack is coming

[dire mural]

Like it legit feels like w@machine gun always firing and then a uh

Gatling gun at final phase

[small timber]

you mean berzerk solo or normal solo?

[dire mural]

Both

[small timber]

I think I will just get a small video of how I fight twins to like, help with explanation

(since I think we have much different perspective on whether twins is difficulty or ok)

[dire mural]

Like the most annoying thing is that even if I can dodge all of its spam I get hammered by the apollo fire that I got quarreled into

If I had to get money on anything people get hit more by

It’s artemis

Or apollo due to artemis

The amount of videos I’ve watched where no one has much diffficilty until the twins pop up

It’s clear it’s at least the twins

And obviously one is way stronger

If I had to change things

Idk what I’d do to ares, but I’d nerf Thanatos damage, make it consistently vulnerable and give it aoe Dr

I’d reduce the fire speed of artemis by 30% at least(.3s to .45s for example), then add a line targeter before the fire

Perhaps tighten up the spread on its shots but increase the damage

[small timber]

the way I dodge solo (nonbezerk) is like this, I will get a berzerk clip

(ignore the nohit arena, I normally just dont have platform and thats all, I dont have a proper playthrough arena prepared for 1.4 tmod)

[dire mural]

It’s fine

But yeah

I’ve beaten exo mechs 3 times already and working on it with rogue

I think exo mechs are an amazing concept and the overall design is awesome

From my fights and all other sources I’ve seen and asked about by people, Artemis is so much stronger then any of the other mechs by themselves it’s ridiculous and by default makes other mechs stronger by a mile, god forbid combined

Low downtime between volleys and shots, lack of proper warning for the projectile paths

[small timber]

this is how I fight non last mech berzerk twins, the only thing making it harder is just they slowly get desync as the fight goes on (hence I get hit more as the fight progress)

last mech berzerk twins is something though, since that one is like, absurd, compare to other mechs, but you do have the choice to choose which one you fight last

(but ya if you use surface arena, you probably have to be more precise; I use slime mount quite abit since I am only experienced with the first 2 barrage/laser, as normally twins die afterwards)

[short walrus]

honestly that doesn't look too bad

[small timber]

(the difficulty is rev as it is what was being discussed, should be worth pointing out since I am unsure if I pressed ESC in the video)

but ya to me twins is only really a big problem when you make it the last mech berzerk (but as said, you can choose who you fight as last, just dont choose the one you feel the hardest), or during duo and trio phase

since duo phase twins can fire shotgun blast which is hard to dodge when combine with other mechs; while during trio phase you pretty much are like, forced to do a certain movement or die
you can either go left/right, go straight up (but require timing), or fall straight down; doing other movement will just get you hit which is a big problem)

[frosty trellis]

Even on Master-Death I never found problems with Thanatos
Even berserk Thanatos on death can be outran easily enough adj GDR you just stay still and you're fine

Twins has always been the worst for me, because there is a projective that is hard to see, the projectile angle seems pretty unpredictable, a seemingly normal fall diag can work one time the the next time you try the exact same thing you get clipped for some odd reason. That and the twins special attacks after the first one IS NOT SYNCED, AND IT IS A GIANT ISSUE

[small timber]

oh right, death thanatos is actually fine

I always keep remembering thanatos in malice mode where you move 1 mm away from the head and it immediately coil you

[dire mural]

yeah honestly they need to just nuke the twins

[dire mural]

why the hell does the auric armor require a magic carpet

it throws off falling so hard

[tardy smelt]

[dire mural]

i think im my 100th try of exo mechs and my rogue weapons wont let me focus the twins so theyre always last

they seriously need to nuke the hell out of artemis

[pallid crane]

what does the exclamation point mean on my suggestion?

[short walrus]

it means there is an error in reasoning or content and will not be put up for voting

[sleek turret]

your sugg has a problem

either bad reasoning or it doesn't respect the Don'ts document pinned in this channel

[short walrus]

mostly because unholy cores can be crafted at an adamantite/titanium forge.

[pallid crane]

really? must've been some other mod then or just an error on my part, ill delete it

[short walrus]

mm

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message i always found Ares to be the main culprit since he has a lot of area denial on the multi mech phases, however it too has a way to dodge

[small timber]

I actually found it to be thanatos instead, since it is the only one that force you to move large distance

[grim tusk]

Artemis is easy for me I have way more trouble with Apollo’s bolts, moving vertically and diagonal helps dodge em both

[small timber]

(beside ares' nuke during trio, which really have no reason to fire during trio)

[grim tusk]

Then you remember that rams exist

With Ares my main problem is the tesla cannon funnily enough

[small timber]

imo it is a chain of events that make tesla cannon the problem, since thanatos moving towards you at very high speed force you to move, which causes tesla to cover much larger distance, and the forced large distance movement make it harder to make pinpoint dodging for twins attack etc etc

(nuke is like, you can deal with it, but it is super annoying when dodging other attacks during trio)

[grim tusk]

I never had issues with Thanathos other than some weapons melting it, but thats what resists are for

[small timber]

ram is a solution, but I always find the coiled/random lasers after ramming thanatos during trio to be incredibly hard to predict

thanatos is a problem with me specifically during trio phase only tbh (since I misrememberd malice thanatos is not literally death thanatos)

[frozen hornet]

I've never seen nuke do anything other than killing npcs

[small timber]

ok this shitty picture took me way too long
basically this is my (rough) sketch of the coverage of each exo mechs during trio/mayhem phase (exclude thanatos)

meanwhile this is the possible coverage of the exo mechs, with red being the area that thanatos can cover (due to him can coming at you from various direction and fire lasers)

[tardy smelt]

yeeep, you effectively have like

3 movement directions to go to at a time to avoid barrages of lasers that can come at pretty much every angle imaginable

[fossil finch]

You can use teleport back?

[gray nebula]

dont use teleport potion with no backup tp potion in hardcore lmfao

[dusty path]

Dies before realizing that I teleported to the abyss

[vapid crane]

I mean it still doesn't make sense that its possible to just teleport to somewhere that's designed to be hard to get to

[fossil finch]

🤨

[unborn oriole]

Skill issue tbh

[swift wharf]

literally

unluckiest player ever

[eternal escarp]

if you dont like the random teleportation

dont use the random teleport potion

you signed up for it

take the precautions and the risk

[vapid crane]

but

[unborn oriole]

And who the hell plays in medium-hardcore other than youtubers and masochists?

[swift wharf]

it's not hard to get there

lo!

[eternal escarp]

you use the potion

full well

[swift wharf]

it's a feature

[eternal escarp]

knowing you can end up litterally everywhere

[swift wharf]

ez layer 4

[unborn oriole]

I once ended in the litteral bottom of the world

[vapid crane]

except the temple

[unborn oriole]

It was funny

[drowsy plank]

🤔
celestial jewel spam with abyss gear on to cheese to layer 4 ez

[unborn oriole]

Cuz you're not supposed to get there after plantera/1 mech

[swift wharf]

and dungeon

[eternal escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unborn oriole]

The abyss can be accesed with enough skill and Amidias' blessing

[eternal escarp]

its not like you cant hoik into it

[swift wharf]

it's pretty funny since you can still hoik into the temple

yea

[eternal escarp]

as it is considered a feature

so sounds like a terraria issue with restriction rather than a cal issue with not

[swift wharf]

sounds like a skin tissue

[eternal escarp]

[drowsy plank]

honestly id have nothing wrong with blacklisting the abyss the same way it blacklists the temple and dungeon tbh, but i dont think it's a priority

[eternal escarp]

i just think that the same way you should expect spawning like, right above lava

[unborn oriole]

I think its ok

[eternal escarp]

expect that you can teleport into the abyss

[drowsy plank]

lol

[unborn oriole]

Normally you would only lose money anyways

And its money, on Calamity

[drowsy plank]

keep it in cause it's funny lmao gottem

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[eternal escarp]

also the potion doesnt limit spawning on crumbling block traps

[unborn oriole]

[eternal escarp]

so like

lol even in vanilla you can still die / be damaged by it

[swift wharf]

they forgor

[unborn oriole]

💀

[golden tulip]

this dude just died by randomly teleporting into the abyss

[eternal escarp]

and you can seemingly spawn on traps

[drowsy plank]

honestly if you drink a random teleportation potion and got shot into space you probably should die, so at least we got the abyss and hell to kill you still

[eternal escarp]

just spikes are the exception

so yeah lol lmao trolled

anyways

[unborn oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/gommehd-gommemode-gomme-troll-silly-gif-15669127

[eternal escarp]

idk i think you just need to deal with what you decided

if you use the random tp potion
expect to be randomly tp'd

[drowsy plank]

me teleporting randomly in real life and complaining to god about appearing at the bottom of the ocean and instantaneously imploding into red mist

[frozen hornet]

I completely forgot about my sugg got damn

Literally just posted it and forgot about it for 3 days

[dusty path]

I know that you can get vacuum'd to the rocks, lose oxygen and become food for black-devil-fish and dragon-fish, but being cut into a trillion of pieces is what I didn't expect

[drowsy plank]

lol

one question i do have in general is why did we let the mace true melee thing into voting when an identical sugg literally already passed

i just want the devs to see my abyss drop rework and it's gonna lose to an already passed sugg

[small timber]

you can take precaution like, use amidias blessing beforehand

there are way to prevent it even on hardcore

[raw crystal]

I would like to make a counterpoint to making the extractinator craftable, the hell biolab always has one in it

[frail mantle]

vanilla relics are supposed to drop in rev+ too

they just don't because the game shits itself when they tried to do it the way they wanted to

[fossil mural]

I just use a mod that lets relics and pets drop on expert

[golden tulip]

yea

same

[swift wharf]

@mystic anchor

FUCK THE RPELY PING

[mystic anchor]

Oh, well then I hope they can get this to work

Should I take down my suggestion?

[swift wharf]

sure

[swift wharf]

in the meantime, consider this

[mystic anchor]

Ok, thanks, what's the mod called?

[swift wharf]

lemme find it

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2812668446

[mystic anchor]

Thanks, I'll download it

[swift wharf]

nw

[dusty path]

I fight SCal in a maximum of 6 times

Never got annoyed by the delay

[unique vector]

its literally just 5 seconds

not even

[swift wharf]

isn't the emech delay a bit longer

[fossil finch]

The leviathan delay is probably longer

[swift wharf]

[unique vector]

exo mechs is longer by a long shot

like almost double

[crimson night]

Both of those animations should be skippable tbh

Would be good qol

@hardy dock not like a complaint or anything, but it would be nice if there was an item that just allowed you to skip all the animations, maybe a toggle or something

[swift wharf]

ah yes the nuclear option

toggles

[drowsy plank]

when the change is config!!!!

[small timber]

we need a config to disable calamity mod at anytime, it will be amazing QoL feature

it allows you to switch mods at anytime without going to the "manage mod" main menu

[quiet kernel]

Someone should make a emoji or a sticker for this server that says: what about a config?

[swift wharf]

[eternal escarp]

:nuclearoption:

[crimson night]

I only suggest nuclear options

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

thanks eclipse

[eternal escarp]

exactly how i imagined, good emote

[swift wharf]

me when the wiki doesnt have the hd version

[timber quarry]

I have a question. Does anyone think acid rain needs to apear more often instead of waiting 12 hours (irl) in order for it to start

[swift wharf]

[eternal escarp]

isnt there always an acid rain almost right after eoc or am i tripping and this mechanic isnt real

[timber quarry]

Yeah but in hardmode or when you just figure it out you need something from there and then there is no way of starting it cause you havent done the event

[subtle sapphire]

there is, EoC death procs acid rain tier 1

[swift wharf]

there we go

[timber quarry]

I have waited whole day for one acid rain

[eternal escarp]

well

if you actually

did that acid rain

you can get the summon

which is infinite

[timber quarry]

The fun part is i havent done it at all until i killed golem

[eternal escarp]

thats kinda your fault + why do you need it post golem

[timber quarry]

I thought i dont need it

[swift wharf]

probably to get a weapon that requires an acid rain drop

[timber quarry]

For me event seemed useless until i figured i need it

I needed toxic bow for crafting the main bow

Nvm i thought you needed it but i guess i forget what i needed it then

[eternal escarp]

caustibow is post aquatic scourge, why would you need it post golem

[timber quarry]

Nah i thought i needed it for heavenly gale

But also eternity mode bugs the game which unchecks acid rain

[frosty trellis]

While true, you won't always get to the sulfurous seas in time to actually get to do the acid rain (Had that happen on my first playthough, even with grav potions the event ended before I could get there)

[eternal escarp]

i have spent like, a day not going once and still made it

[frosty trellis]

I've had it happen to me several times

[timber quarry]

Bruh Tmodloader once stable is now unstable. My progress just resets on its own and idk why. I dont think its calamity's fault but Tmodloader needs bug fixes as soon as possible

[brittle siren]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Caustic_Tear

the easiest crafting recipe too btw

[eternal escarp]

https://calamity.mod.wiki.gg/wiki/Caustic_Tear

[frail mantle]

fandom moment

[brittle siren]

kek

[eternal escarp]

wait thats not how wiki.gg links work do they

[brittle siren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

nope i couldn't access the link you sent

[eternal escarp]

okay i did 1 dot too many

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Caustic_Tear

lol!

[brittle siren]

nice it worked

but yeah those that complain about acid rain taking ages to appear probably haven't heard of caustic tear

[subtle sapphire]

fella you don't go for crossmods and then complain when things don't work

[golden tulip]

im pretty sure yharon got accepted new sfx recently

along with cv

(cv's are fucking nutty)

[brittle siren]

oh nice

whats cv by the way

[golden tulip]

ceaseless void

[brittle siren]

sweet

so Yharon will get new sfx in the new update?

[golden tulip]

likely not in the new update

but since they got accepted im guessing soontm

[brittle siren]

alright thats still fine

glad hes getting new sfx

[frail mantle]

i think yuh added them the other day

[golden tulip]

oh

really

cool

[frail mantle]

or at least yharon's

[brittle siren]

im at his fight rn and i dont notice any new sfx

still uses the roar sfx for multiple attacks

[frail mantle]

doesn't seem like he's gotten around to the others yet

[golden tulip]

yes he means the upcoming update

[frail mantle]

because they're in a still in progress update

[brittle siren]

oh alr

[golden tulip]

so ye i would delete the sugg

[fossil mural]

August update is still the next update until it releases, then September update is next update after that

[brittle siren]

i will

[fossil finch]

what is that sugg

[fossil mural]

Unless September is like a July and it's a tiny lil thing to just maintain compatibility with tmod

[frosty trellis]

May I remind you that to craft a causic tear, you need the acid rain to not only spawn in the first place, but you need to get to the sulfurous seas before the event ends randomly

Which can happen while you're there as well

[gray nebula]

aero stone is fucking aweosme

[fossil mural]

Aero stone is just a small movement boost ain't it

I've never really been a fan but it's decent early game filler

[tardy smelt]

Aero Stone my beloved

Aero Stone is the cornerstone of mobility builds up to waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay after you get it

[fossil finch]

i mean its guaranteed one will spawn once you get there after eoc i think

even after the one that spawns immediatly after them

also the event end is not random its based on time

anyway yeah aero stone is good op is smoking pot

[drowsy plank]

what is this man talking about

[frosty trellis]

Aero stone is incredible

[timber quarry]

Requiers Sulphuric Scale to craft and if you havent done the event you cant get the item plus why craft it when you can buy it from Fargo's mod but again gotta do the event in order for you to be able to buy it

[drowsy plank]

can we please get fucking cryo and bloom reworks before buffing an already amazing item

[frosty trellis]

I don't use it myself

But it's amazing

[fossil finch]

i mean if you

if you read the sugg

[brittle siren]

yeah thats probably it, i play calamity with fargos

[tardy smelt]

bloom stone seems

[fossil finch]

they're asking to remove aerostone

[tardy smelt]

like it could use a buff

since its a worse celestial jewel (even if C-Jewel is a little later in progression)

[drowsy plank]

bloom and cryo are both

cryo is just a frostburn inferno potion and blooms is. idk it's like. okay for farming

at least it isnt on pbg anymore

[tardy smelt]

it seems like you could make use of its gimmick well enough on like, Golem, Aureus and Ravager

[timber quarry]

Yes but the thing is Sulphuric Scales come from the event and you cant get them outside the event so you cant even craft the item without beating the event so yeah, kinda annoying. At least goblins event is easyer to get cause you have the enemy who drops the cloth in order to craft goblins war banner while you dont have any enemys outside acid rain event to give you the scales

[tardy smelt]

but its kinda outclassed for being that tricky to use

[brittle siren]

yeah, my bad

[timber quarry]

I think if they dont lower the chance of the event happening they should add an enemy which drops the scales outside the event but the enemy spawns rarely

[drowsy plank]

i mean photo potions also exist. these two just really need some love

[tardy smelt]

photosynthesis potions at least like

they don't require as much commitment to use

since they don't take up an entire accessory slot

[drowsy plank]

yeah exactly

the fact the same effect is on a potion makes sense bc it isnt very strong, but this accessory OVERLAPS it which is just sad

[timber quarry]

I dont care. I want acid rain to get a boost

Its so annoying to get it and if the world progression resets its annoying to check it again

[golden tulip]

i think it happens too often lmao

[timber quarry]

For me it happened after 24 hours irl and i had a bed in game

[golden tulip]

i just be vibing and then the stupid event turns my world to rain

too often ive had that happen

[timber quarry]

Well for me not really also acid rain is only event you cant forcefully start it without doing it

[golden tulip]

without doing what

[timber quarry]

Blood moon is way more annoying compare to acid rain

[timber quarry]

The event its self

[golden tulip]

theres plenty of chances to go there

sounds like youve just had tough luck

[timber quarry]

Still i want an item i can get without doing the event to start it forcefully

[golden tulip]

just ask to adjust the recipe

[timber quarry]

Everyother event i can just ignore it except for this one

[golden tulip]

you cant ignore any event

wha

[timber quarry]

Fargo's mod lets you do that

[golden tulip]

ok but thats another mod

wait it lets you skip.. the waiting?

[timber quarry]

Yes

[golden tulip]

sounds like a bad case of 2024 you got there

[timber quarry]

You dont have to do it plus if you beat the event you can just buy the item to start it

Plus if you beat the boss you can just buy the item to spawn it. Very usefull mod

[fossil mural]

If I'm being honest

Acid rain is pretty ignorable

I almost never do it unless I just want a specific weapon from it

[timber quarry]

Well thats what i do it for

[fossil mural]

And I don't want specific weapons often from it

[drowsy plank]

fargo's issue
i really think just making the tear take sulph sand or acidwood would be enough, maybe make it only work post Eye like how goblins only spawn post 200 HP

[timber quarry]

Well it does spawn post eye but yeah changing the way you craft it could help out a lot

Maybe you add water bucked too to craft it cause it looks like a acid rain drop and would make sense or maybe add a pice of cloud instead of the scales

Easy to craft plus you dont need to do the event forcefully

[fierce thicket]

hey i just joined and i wanted to ask, where would i go to find out the rules for the death no hit?

[timber quarry]

Idk ask people in the general chat

[fierce thicket]

ok ty

[safe oasis]

isn’t this like every event ever

why would you do anything if you don’t want an item (or npc in the case of goblins) from it

[drowsy plank]

correct

maybe it just happens to you like pirates or smthn idk

idk anyone who was like "oh boy i wanna do the pirate event" like yeah dude you can finally get uhhhhhhh
discount card? greedy ring? awesome

you know how hard it is to get money in calamity after all /s

[fossil mural]

It's pinned in one of the channels

Don't remember which

Most likely help channel or cmt channel

[fierce thicket]

i got it but i appreciate it :D

[fierce thicket]

loving that inventory management lol

[plush plank]

everyone says that

it's an organized mess for me

[fierce thicket]

i mean everyone has their system

[worthy lintel]

why is it always scourge why is it always scourge why is it always scourge

[inner anvil]

AS didn't deserve this. :(

[worthy lintel]

at this rate we're going to have to give this weapon the tenebreus tide treatment

[unborn oriole]

Oh my god PLEASE organize your inventory

[hollow shell]

Wait @rigid shore Are you asking for Aero Stone to be removed from the game?
You say to remove it from the "bags"

[rigid shore]

Aero Stone has never fit well with the Desert Scourge for me, having it be either craftable or a drop from an enemy would feel better and be less disappointing when you already have mobility or vital jelly going into the scourge fight.

[hollow shell]

I ask because your title says "Aero stone changes"
Yet your solution for it being an "unused" accessory is to move one of its functions to a different accessory (making it even more useless), and remove its only source of obtainment
Which makes me think you want it removed from the mod and have Vital Jelly fulfill its purpose instead, in which case your title would be inaccurate and your reasoning would be dancing around that

[rigid shore]

I should specify that then alright

[hollow shell]

Also I thought Saytguard's suggestion was already in the game?

Like, the Acid Rain chances are way boosted after EoC and prior to completion of Acid Rain
And
Killing AS makes an Acid Rain start instantly

[fossil finch]

Killing eoc also guarantees it

[proud quest]

BRO WTF

why are there 30 trashers spawning at once

[hollow shell]

They definitely have in-game experience to the contrary though so I guess they got a bug?

[hollow shell]

Lucky you, easy Diving Helmet.

[proud quest]

im trying to prepare for skeletron arena dude

theyre fucking everywhere

[hollow shell]

I assume you plan on suggesting a spawn rate reduction for them which is why you brought it up in this channel

[eternal escarp]

we went over the rain sugg above

its kinda concluded as "you have like 3 times to get it guarenteed st the progression points you need it, if you didnt go once and craft a caustic tear thats kindof on you"

[eternal escarp]

they say, and its only needed right after the bosses that guarentee it to spawn

[proud quest]

fat fucking alligators bruh

so annoying

they always spawn up there and drop down

idk why their spawnrate is so high

[hollow shell]

What world size are you playing in that has your Sulph Sea so close to the Dungeon's entrance?

[proud quest]

medium

[hollow shell]

Alright just bad luck generation I suppose

I assume the cause is that Trashers are one of the few Sulph enemies that can spawn on land

What about Gnashers, are you seeing them a lot?

[frosty trellis]

I've had it spawn almost on top of my dungeon on large

So it be like that

[crude geode]

trashers are not a threat on land if you just take like. 5 seconds to make a platform

[proud quest]

only saw like 2

also did they nerf eye of night?

its hella slow now

[swift wharf]

This is actually scuffed

Trashers being able to phase through blocks and fall on your head while you're inside the dungeon is really not fun

[crude geode]

I really love trashers being passive but also still doing contact damage

[swift wharf]

The wonders of walking and swimming AI

[hollow shell]

New suggestion to rework their passive AI to walk back and forth like Town NPCs

[crude geode]

Make trasher into a npc

Make him sell only diving helmet

[swift wharf]

automatically better than the angler

[worthy lintel]

intent is good, but....

thats is some massive effort needed

[hollow shell]

Ah

I mean, maybe it could be done if we don't put too much effort into content exclusivity

A lot of bosses would probably just have to not exist, if we don't want to completely rework them

But that would make for a weird playthrough

[worthy lintel]

the map making though...

[lofty hedge]

Does tmod even have support for custom secret seeds?

[hollow shell]

Good question, I actually don't know

We didn't get Pylon support until about a month ago

I have to imagine seeds are even less of a priority

[lofty hedge]

Exactly

I don't think that would come until way later.

[worthy lintel]

i wouldn't be surprised if it didnt come at all given dedicated modders can just release a pre-made adventure map...

but that would be a neat feature

[sleek turret]

i think that's how they do pathing?

like think of cnidrion

[fossil finch]

i think theres like

already support for custom seeds

i think
Unsure (checked, there is not

[unborn oriole]

That seed sugg is a nice idea, i don't see it happen anytime soon tho

[drowsy plank]

why did we let provi border sugg pass

i thought something already passed

or maybe the last one didnt but the devs mentioned they already know provi needs a border

idr

[crude geode]

Bad moderation

[drowsy plank]

lol

[hollow shell]

:(

[drowsy plank]

i mean we have provi border and true melee maces both in voting

which both already passed

[hollow shell]

I'm pretty sure bluechecks still exist

[grave zinc]

@brittle cave - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Providence's Cocoon phases have visible markers]

Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

lol

[hollow shell]

Ok cool

[grave zinc]

@unborn zodiac - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add some way of seeing the distance needed to trigger the Holy Inferno debuff during Providence's cocoon phase.]

Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

that one too

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message @dawn trellis

it's fine

[gray nebula]

unironically funny idea

[hollow shell]

which one

[fossil finch]

Has anyone considered that mayhaps exodim's sugg may be a little bit lacking in reasoning

because like it doesn't go into the point of why it needs to have an upgrade i think

[cold cosmos]

What does it even do?

[fossil finch]

Idk an slowing or paralyzing aura

[gray nebula]

the secret seed

probably wouldnt be THAT bad as well

like, disable sulf sea gen

disable draedon lab gen

replace the desert by water

put more hell city in the crags

[hot zephyr]

Ocean 2

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure

@wintry wharf If you could elaborate more on the reasoning in your suggestion, that would be helpful

[drowsy plank]

oh. giant pearl

i thought this was enchanted pearl

lmao

[hollow shell]

What makes it useful, what niche does it fill that isn't filled by later accessories
Why is that usefulness not enough to consider replacing a later accessory by it even while exploring/mining?

[drowsy plank]

while the amidias and giant clam accessories are bad, i wouldnt say giant pearl is the standout, and i honestly wouldnt care if some of the accessories got merged, reworked, or removed lmao

[cold cosmos]

Giant pearl needs to be removed or reworked, not upgraded

[wintry wharf]

a lot of it is the slowing down enemies, as some enemies tend to be fast [scorn eaters for example], and the pearl makes them a bit less dangerous to deal with because it will slow them down. it also allows you to land more hits on the enemy if you're cornered

[wintry wharf]

absolutely not with the removal thing

[hollow shell]

Alright you can add that to your suggestion

[cold cosmos]

Excuse me, do you have a say in that?

It’s almost useless

[hollow shell]

Calm down he's just saying he disagrees with you

[cold cosmos]

Sorry, just a bit too forceful

But seriously giant pearl does nothing at any stage of the game

[wintry wharf]

edited

[cold cosmos]

This suggestion kinda just feels like a “it would be neat” sugg

[hollow shell]

I have used Giant Pearl in my pt recently and I feel like it actually ain't bad

[cold cosmos]

Really?

[hollow shell]

Particularly when I was building my WoF hellbridge, and the Fire Imp's orbs (which are actually enemies and not projectiles) slowed down to a complete stop before they reached me

[wintry wharf]

besides, the light it produces is actually pretty decent for starting off

[cold cosmos]

Even then though

There are basically always better options

Like a light pet and tesla potions

[swift wharf]

There will always be for those kind of accessories

[cold cosmos]

Which do the same things but better and don’t use a slot

[swift wharf]

But that doesn't stop them of being good

[cold cosmos]

I think pearl just needs a rework

[hollow shell]

I like Giant Pearl because it does something that no other accessory does, the continuous enemy slowdown on proximity

Tesla Potion comes close but it's tiers above and also temporary

[wintry wharf]

my thoughts exactly

plus, one of the upgrades could allow it to slow down regular projectiles a bit as well [mayhaps]

[wintry wharf]

slapped that onto the suggestion

[hollow shell]

If you think Giant Pearl is underpowered, I don't think it even needs a significant rework
Just slightly increase the aura size or slowdown speed
Being able make it so enemies are basically unable to deal contact damage to you is no joke

They try to walk/fly into you and just sit there like a dumbass in true melee range

[wintry wharf]

fr

i would suggest the pearl slows down bosses, but that's not happening because... yeah

[distant gyro]

I'd disagree here

Giant Pearl's freeze effect is either overpowered for anything it touches or useless for anything that's not

It is incapable of being balanced without completely tipping over a side

[gray nebula]

effect does not work while a boss is alive

shows its a bad effect that should be redone

• what? thatsounds like a crossmod disaster

• like, a in-mod disaster

[crude geode]

so true

[gray nebula]

i dont wanna think about all the cool stuff i could be doing thatd get trolled by it

actually let me check

im doing something cool rn i wanna see if giant clam trolls it

[distant gyro]

need to give eternia crystal godmode? stand at the center of the crystal

[crude geode]

is giant pearl freeze or slow rn

slow would be more balanced

[distant gyro]

don't think any effect can slow enemies/projectiles effectively because not all are built the same

[gray nebula]

its slow

i cant notice it on my thing

yea

ike its

[distant gyro]

so they all just boil down to slow unnoticeably

[gray nebula]

actively harmful even

probbabyl

[distant gyro]

or slow at a rate so fast it's actually a freeze

[gray nebula]

i bet it doesnt even check for ShouldUpdatePosition() on modprojectiles

[distant gyro]

like glacial state is like 0.5x speed per frame

not an instant 0, but reaches 0 really fast

[hollow shell]

Should we give it a lower-bound, then?

[gray nebula]

we cant give it a lower bgound

because what if the projectile just moves slow

etc

like

it just sounds like itd break a lot of stuff

[hollow shell]

Would it not be possible to do it percentage-based, not actual velocity-based?

[gray nebula]

well yeah ut

still weird

like

i dont like messing with stuff like base variables of projectiles WHILE they are in motion and not when theyre fired (and even then its still weird) just cuz i feel like theres al ot of opportunities for it to break

because i can relate to the feeling that "uh oh well this projectile im doing probably would get trolled because it does stuff that is

not just vanilla behavior

[hollow shell]

(Giant Pearl only affects enemies)

[gray nebula]

ah

why were we talking about projs then

actully well i mean im coding an enemy you know that

tho thankfully he seems mostly unnafected

[unborn oriole]

@eternal escarp sorry if you're busy (and also for ping), but could you please test the Profaned Guardians relics? I feel like they're overshadowed by many supports on their tier, mainly Eye of Magnus

[gray nebula]

ok hes unnafected i gues

[distant gyro]

some enemies are basically projectiles

[hollow shell]

Such as the Fire Imp orbs, and Dark Casters n Goblin Sorcerers

And those are what Giant Pearl is most useful against

[gray nebula]

yea i mean

still weirded out by the idea of being able to bend the behavour of a npc to your will

• the "doesnt work with bosses" is a bit funny

maybe its like idk

if you face a projectile headfirst you get less damage (like if your velociy is opposite to the projectiles

[hollow shell]

Pearl Aura is a debuff. Enemies can be given immunity to it just like Confused and Slowed and Glacial State

[gray nebula]

well yea but

still weirded out

[hollow shell]

Thank you for the objective evaluation

[gray nebula]

and its not like other mods (or myself) are going to rememeber to add that immunity!

[unborn oriole]

Imagine paralizing thanathot and Dragon raging the fuck out of its bitchass

[spring sail]

It’s kinda like tesla potion or blunder booster

[gray nebula]

no but yea i mean fr its just my opinion obviously

[distant gyro]

it does not stop it from the fact that it's a headache

go through every npc to see if it breaks with pearl aur

[hollow shell]

Why is Pearl Aura more of a headache than Glacial State?

considering it has equivalent accessories like Cryo Stone and Frost Barrier/Aquatic Heart

[distant gyro]

it is designed specifically to be a slow over a freeze

a freeze is a freeze

it's simple enough to just completely go "your velocity is now (approaching) 0, denied"

[hollow shell]

Is it because Glacial State has a duration even in those instances

Should Giant Pearl's aura not be constant but instead toggled on and off via some means

[distant gyro]

for a slow to take effect, something has to apply every frame which counteracts the opposing AI

if an enemy goes at the velocity of 4, reaches a top speed of 4, accelerates by 0.5 each frame, but the debuff slows by 0.02, that's not a slow

that's a net nothing you did to that enemy

it'll continue to be at top speed

[hollow shell]

Glacial State also applies every frame, doesn't it? Constantly setting to 0? Otherwise its durations wouldn't be relevant

[distant gyro]

technically glacial state can also break like this

but at what point does an enemy have enough acceleration to counteract it

most enemies are unable to

due to the sheer value of the slowness factor

on the opposite end, if an enemy is supposed to perform a certain attack when in a certain velocity threshold

a slow can just entirely stop that from happening

a freeze also does, but that makes sense (it's a freeze)

[small timber]

A bit late but I remember is there a guaranteed caustic tear spawn in sulphuric sea chest at some point?

Or was it removed after they make it nonconsumable
In that case probably just have to bring that back

Also for bloom stone making it combine with fairy boots can be an interesting idea, though other stones having upgrades will just be stat stick

[distant gyro]

can't remember if that was actually added or only just thrown around

[hollow shell]

Ok Altix I will concede this argument because I do not want to continue
I'll keep it in my mind that Giant Pearl needs work

[distant gyro]

looks like it never happened

[small timber]

I remember there is a tear you can fine in the chest, maybe I mistaken it with torrential tear from abyss

[hollow shell]

You can find the item that prevents Acid Rain spawns
in the rusted chests

[distant gyro]

normally what happens is that the first visit to the sea after defeating any required acid rain boss spawns the event, so the early tear is unneeded

but that never actually happens properly for anyone

either the event starts and/or ends prematurely

[hollow shell]

It worked for AS on my current pt

[cold cosmos]

Oh yeah it doesn’t start unless it’s raining already iirc

[small timber]

Ya, even if you are prepared to start the event that way, running to the sulph sea can take considerable amount of time
And that is not considering dying on the way

[cold cosmos]

Some issue with 1.4 weather i think

[small timber]

(unirnoically underground desert is harder than eoc)

[cold cosmos]

Or maybe it gets canceled if wind is strong enough to make it a thunderstorm

[small timber]

So thats why it spawn way less now, I remember in 1.3 it is unbelievaly abundant to the point of annoying

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao

especially with old tear

in death mode

where it had a delay

[small timber]

(since testers seem to be offline, I will just post it here without pinging anyone, as this is kinda a balance suggestion)
is rampart of deity i-frame intentionally this high? since last patch (1.3) I dont remember it being this goated, while the 1.4 version I use it in a single battle and immediately notice it

this is a clip of a fight I did, and the immunity it provide me is so long that I was immune to DoG's contact damage for extended period of time

this two is just some test I did to compare rampart of deity to star cloak and deific amulet to see how good they are

it just doesn't feel right since I remember calamtiy did nerfed the i-frame items, but the current version feel like straight up vanilla's unnerfed version of broken

[minor shell]

is there any point to cshell having the .5 minion knockback buff? seems kinda out of place for a normally melee centered acc.

[hollow shell]

The vanilla accessory?

[minor shell]

yeah?

(yes i know it was a vanilla added buff but could it be possible for it to be converted to be more useful to other class types as well, such as a .5 knockback buff)

just a small gripe nothing truly important

[hollow shell]

It inherits the minion knockback from Celestial Stone, which is more of an all-rounder acc

(This brings up the point that I don't know why "Minion Knockback" is used so much more frequently than just "Knockback")

(I have to assume there was some technical reason for it)

[minor shell]

i see. just makes more sense IMO for it to buff all knockback, but also not very important so i dont think id bother putting it in #suggestions-posting lol

[hollow shell]

Ok so all-class knockback buffs don't seem to have any technical reason for being uncommon

Several knockback buffs are minion-specific for
basically no reason

So yeah you could suggest that Celestial Stone/Shell get changed from minion KB to universal KB

[small timber]

(though tbh kb is like, not really useful in general)

since bosses aside, many normal enemies even have kb immune/resistance, especially death mode

[hollow shell]

Waiting for the day we allow bosses to be conditionally vulnerable to knockback, like we made them semi-vulnerable to freezing effects not too long ago

[small timber]

I think that might unironically make bosses harder by introducing inconsistency

[hollow shell]

Could make for some cool counterplay for charges tho

[small timber]

since many weapon have knockback, and it is not really something the player can control, it will just throw off the bosses and their attack to hit at an unintentional place

[distant gyro]

knockback would be funny

[small timber]

(freezing already kinda does it, but at least freezing is much less common)

[frozen hornet]

Titan arm meta

[small timber]

on specific weapon maybe I can see, like titan arm/grand guardian funnies (not kb as far obviously)

[distant gyro]

zombie arm meta

[frozen hornet]

I can already imagine yharon being turned into wall art

[small timber]

there are (many) people that suggest to upgrade HOTE, and finally there are people who suggest to remove it

although with 0 reasoning attached

[hollow shell]

Legit we could like
Make them only take knockback from weapons with like, at least 10 in their stat value
then subtract it by 10 as well
So you need really strong KB weapons to even have an effect, but those normally-joke weapons would actually serve a purpose of boss movement manipulation

[small timber]

ye that will allow for interesting counterplays on specific weapon

[hollow shell]

I will keep this in mind for the future

anyway

@ashen warren You're going to need to provide a reason why for your suggestion

[small timber]

it is the buff ninja gear needed all along, to compete with ram just switch to zombie arm and slap the boss away

[frozen hornet]

Give ram comical amounts of knockback

you dash and take the boss with you

[strong depot]

Lmao just straight up ditch it fir bo reason lol

[small timber]

'reasoning: calamity is a serious video game, no poo block and waifu allowed in muh game'

[distant gyro]

the fabled remover of tiddies anon

[hot zephyr]

good suggestion

[frozen hornet]

yess combine the funny frenship boots with reverse aerial bane

Regen god prospers

[small timber]

I mean they could make the bloom stone part more limiting/less effective after combination, not like that never happened

like the sand shark tooth necklace, core of blood god (?), various accessories that use emblems etc etc

[frozen hornet]

if the regen isn't nerfed when combined it'll be godly

Regenator with no downside

[small timber]

I am surprised that fairy boots provide 4 life regen (2HP/sec) in the first place, which I didn't consider before making the suggestion

considering it basically have like, little to no downside/downtime to the effect

so ya, a nerf will probably make sense (to the life regen of the combined accessory)

[drowsy plank]

to avoid that you could also just give bloom a different kind of effect, cause as nice as a fairy/bloom mix would be for both, i think it would still work even if bloom got reworked for it's combat capabilities anyway

considering bloom drops from plantera maybe you could do something like the wulfrum hook rework accessory but have it deal damage like plantera's tentacles instead

[small timber]

@sonic pumice are you playing on the up-to-date version of calamity? since the speedy attack should already be nerfed by significant amount already
(and the picture really didn't show anything, since it is a picture of after beating the boss; ideally have a video recording of it if you can)

as it was a last-patch thing

and the 'speedy attack' is due to DoG's phase change, basically DoG have an "air phase" and a "ground phase", during air phase DoG gain more movement speed which is why he feel more speedy; you kinda need to know it before playing Death Mode since the sky no longer turn blue/purple in Death Mode (which was the indicator in below Death Mode)

[small timber]

depends, but ya cant really suggest a specific rework anyway, just have to wait for dev's decision

[hollow shell]

(Is that DoG image relevant?)

[small timber]

(no)

(in fact, it only show wing slot and alch npc universal combination is being used)

• that is almost full damage setup with 0 defense other than from potions and affliction, and basically no movement
  and blood pact on DoG which is like, probably not a very good idea

[small timber]

@blazing blade that would be unnecessarily, since I am 100% sure the devs have the idea already

the attack is exactly the same as infernum DoG's attack, and the infernum's developer is one of calamity's developer

(and I think this type of suggestion is deemed to be too specific so basically not allowed to be suggest)

[blazing blade]

one of the attacks are inspired by heretic from tboi

though there is some resemblance with infernum one,but we don't know if it passed to his updated fight

[small timber]

maybe, but ya Infernum (which is a Calamtiy addon) have almost identical attack to what you suggest

[blazing blade]

that is true

[small timber]

oh ok you do know infernum, but yeah tldr is just the devs probably do have this idea already, since Dom (infernum developer) is also a Calamity developer

[blazing blade]

actually all of these attacks are inspired by tboi

[blazing blade]

yeah,that's fair

[swift wharf]

Aren't boss suggestions like this a don't?

[small timber]

(seeing as the attack is inspired by tboi, I imagine it might be where Dom take the inspiration too when designing Infernum DoG's attack)

[blazing blade]

it would be predictable in terraria probably because it would be too easy to dodge,especially when he dashes only 3 times

while in tboi it's like,7-10

[small timber]

I think boss suggestion is like, not officially a don't yet? since I suggested some boss changes for the pass few days and seems to be passable?

[blazing blade]

and the arena isn't big either

[blazing blade]

i did hear that xeroc would have dogma's second phase laser attack

[small timber]

(and there are also suggestions like Yharon border not hurting)

[blazing blade]

don't have screenshot of that though

[small timber]

yeah, though since those bosses are abit far away there might be still up for changes

[swift wharf]

I feel like that one is more of a qol

Lemme read it

It is a qol

[eternal escarp]

dom never played tboi iirc

[swift wharf]

Compared to this which is changing the boss fight

BASED DOM

[small timber]

I suggested thanatos segment open change and DoG's laser wall change for the pass 2 days

but ya, I dont think it is like, officially a dont yet, so I will leave it up to mod's judgement

[swift wharf]

yes

[small timber]

also Blast since you are here ^

(I think it technically is a balance suggestion so I didn't post in posting)

I vaguely remember Rampart of Deities is no way near as good in 1.3 (at least the i-frame part), while in 1.4 it is goated

[eternal escarp]

i have no clue, honestly

[distant gyro]

this is quirky wacky

but is paladin's shield buffed in terms of iframes somehow

if yes then insert ozz quote

[short walrus]

@ivory whale the bug is known, and bug reporting goes in #bugs-read-pins

[ivory whale]

I'm really sorry and i already posted it there like 5 hours ago i think

[ruby plover]

If you’ve already posted it in #bugs-read-pins , no need to post it in here then
And the fact that the issue is known anyway

[sinful steeple]

aquatic scourge and old duke ask the player to have a lot of vertical mobility that wouldn't work if sulphur sea was a block based biome exclusively

because going up would turn the biome to ocean and make the boss enrage, which at that point you might as well just eat the attack anyway

[ivory whale]

I am sorry, should I delete it?

[small timber]

that is already a known bug and (hopefully) should be fixed next patch

[short walrus]

Yes

[ruby plover]

Yeah, delet

[small timber]

ya delete it, bug report is way more efficient than suggestion at doing it

[short walrus]

I said that already >:(

[ivory whale]

Ok deleted

Sorry for the misunderstanding

May I ask on what other factors is sulphurous sea generation based?

[short walrus]

We have our moments sometimes

Position and dungeon side

[ivory whale]

Thank you

[short walrus]

@ripe cargo why and how

[ripe cargo]

[short walrus]

Why should cal do this, and why would the subnautica Devs bother with a mod for some stupid 2d block game

[muted osprey]

really like how it's

Catalyst
Calamity

[short walrus]

And sunken sea slaps, ain't no way they're getting rid of it

[short walrus]

Lol, lmao

Anyway, that's never happening.

[ripe cargo]

alright i agree
nevermind then

[short walrus]

(even if this had even a chance of happening you formatted the Sugg incorrectly)

[orchid briar]

Reference for the sake of reference

[sinful steeple]

i was thinking of suggesting alternatives for the t2 anvil and t2 forge that don't require mechs to be defeated

the early hardmode progression rework is really cool but i feel like it kind of hurts what is normally later hardmode progression if you are doing a less linear playthrough

for example reaver items are all unavailable if you have killed plantera without killing 2 mechs

this even extends into post providence with bloodstone cores needing a forge to craft

i don't know at all what they could be made out of though- originally i thought them being cryonic based would both add much needed value to cryonic ore and solve this other issue but cryonic ore also needs 2 mechs down to be obtained

[small timber]

the only way this will make sense is if mech alts (brimstone, cryogen, aquatic scourge) also provide anvil, but that do not make sense since it will massively bloat crafting station but also they basically drop gears that are appropriate for their tier

[sinful steeple]

it could be not locked behind any boss or could be locked behind one later(for example it being dropped by plantera as reaver gear is one of the first sets where anvil and forge being mech locked is relevant)

but then if it is locked behind a boss it kind of feels like a bandaid solution because what if that boss is just not fought

[small timber]

in the case of cryonic ore I do feel it is weird, but then against it was suggested before to move to pre-mech/not require anvil and was denied

probably because of having to be rebalanced

[small timber]

less linear playthrough to certain degree is like, a self-imposed challenge; because if say you skip to golem you will have the ability to easily kill off any mech bosses

[sinful steeple]

you can kill plantera and get reaver or you can skip it and then kill golem and get scoria which you also still couldn't use if it was a plantera based crafting station

that is true

[small timber]

that will only be a problem if you are doing like minimum boss defeat challenge

[sinful steeple]

i don't really know how to word this in the most clear way possible but i feel like for the most part only the items that become obtainable as a direct consequence of killing the mechs should need the mechs dead to be obtainable(stuff like cryonic, later hardmode ores, brimmy stuff, solar eclipse) and stuff that is almost entirely separate(reaver, scoria or bloodflare) shouldn't need them dead because it's just more fun that way

[fossil finch]

we're going back in time to the first non linearity change and getting it off the menu

This is it

[short walrus]

@thorn tundra formatting error

[thorn tundra]

my bad

[short walrus]

Title

Reasoning

You need reasoning (why should they show up on the map)

[fossil finch]

@thorn tundra that's not a calamity change

It's a boss checklist thing

[thorn tundra]

oh shit

[short walrus]

Wait what

Ok good to know

[thorn tundra]

i deadass thought it was a calamity thing

[short walrus]

Also shouldn't the dog attacks be exclaimed, what was the verdict on that

[thorn tundra]

💀

[sinful steeple]

i literally got mandela effect style memories of seeing lunar fragments on my map(i have never used boss checklist)

[short walrus]

Time to pester red on twitter dot com

[sinful steeple]

brain why are you sabotaging me i am you

[short walrus]

Are you, though?

Or does your brain just want you to think that

[small timber]

I think the ideal solution is just like, make ore spawn not tied to specifically killing mech bosses (eg: killing mech alts also cause ore to spawn); but I feel the devs are committed on the idea that it is unlikely to change

[sinful steeple]

i don't think that's the ideal solution; i think the ore rework is actually really fun

[fossil mural]

Ore rework is fine but imo

It gets a little messy after 3 mechs

[sinful steeple]

wait i see what you mean now

[fossil mural]

You have hallowed armor, Daedalus armor, and chlorophyte armor all within 1 boss of each other

Kinda weird

And then ofc you also have class specific armors

[random pasture]

Then again the alternative is uh

[sinful steeple]

i don't think that really fixes the problem i have(which arguably isn't even a problem in the first place- some people might find many items being blocked off part of the challenge and more fun)

[random pasture]

You unlock 3 armor sets at the start of hardmode, 2 of which there is no reason to use, and then unlock 2 after the mech bosses with only daedalus in between

[sinful steeple]

because even if killing brimmy or destroyer or cryogen spawns mythril if they're just not fought plantera's defeat still doesn't reward you with reaver items, or providence's(and polterghast for the armour) defeat still doesn't reward you with bloodflare items

[fossil finch]

that's ok

too much non linearity is unhealthy imo

[sinful steeple]

i guess you can argue that

[drowsy plank]

you wanna know how to let you skip mech bosses and continue progression?

literally just make rav whistle craftable at anvil

of course im pretty sure he's being moved to post Provi now but

that would've done it

lol

actually if you let old power cell be crafted at an anvil that could work too

idr if golem is blocked from spawning by certain bosses still

i dont know enough about rogue but that doesnt sound right

[left jetty]

I found that when using the class, I was more often than not not using the stealth mechanic because I could not get enough due to being forced to move

[fossil finch]

thats not what they really want cognitive

youre not forced to stay still

oh my god

[left jetty]

yeah, but standing still is required to get the best out of the class

[fossil finch]

it's not

stealth buildup is perfectly reasonable without standing still

[left jetty]

in my experience, trying to build up stealth and surviving at the same time makes me less powerful than other classes

[fossil finch]

.

you don't have to stay still at all

stealth generates while moving at a slower rate but it still generates

[left jetty]

I feel that it is slightly too little

[fossil finch]

the standing still thing is just a bonus

[left jetty]

but this is subjective, so I'll leave it to a vote

[fossil finch]

you literally got reforges and a whole accessory line for that

[left jetty]

perhaps I am wrong, or maybe there's a better idea in there somewhere

no harm done if my suggestion is dumb

[grim tusk]

Several accessory lines

[grim tusk]

Also shadow potion exists as a invisibility upgrade

And rogue needs power drawn away from potions tbh

Rogue should not need potions as bad to deal good dps

[small timber]

ya the current situation is like, 40% (or more) stealth gen comes from potion, which is about 2 accessories

[grim tusk]

Penumbra potion

[small timber]

and things like shattering potion, cursed flame flask etc etc

[left jetty]

maybe make the potions less impactful on the rogue and the stealth better on it's own is a better idea