suggestions-discussion

[karmic light]

Implementing what?

[burnt condor]

possibly unrelated question, does the stardust guardian run into the same problem?

[gleaming spade]

the demon shade minion toggle?
that you just suggested?

[gleaming spade]

I believe so

[karmic light]

I didn't suggest it nerd

It's ALREADY a part of the game

[gleaming spade]

oh I thought you were the other person

[karmic light]

Ah alr

I thought you meant that I suggested opening the DoG treasure bag in death mode on a hc character.

But anyways, the toggle effect is also already in the game. The fact of the matter is you need to use a hardcore character, open the DoG bag in a death world.

[hollow shell]

byeah it's a pretty
weird solution

[karmic light]

You'll get an exclusive drop in that scenario, which when equipped will prevent demonshade demons.

[gleaming spade]

and then you'll have cosmic guardians spawn when you're in the dark

[karmic light]

Me who plays in terraria constant seed + ftw

There's a mod that lets you toggle the effects of what seed to use, so I pick both.

Mostly because constant adds a hunger system, which means you gotta be on your toes at all times to make sure you don't starve, and the darkness thing which kills you.

Then combine it with all the ftw changes, including map generation.

Maybe to add onto the challenge, I can equip the chibli and have her stab me for a good chunk of damage if I stay in the dark.

[hollow shell]

Thank you for sharing.

[gleaming spade]

by the way is it possible to maybe make too many suggestions, because I'm sort of thinking about making suggestions relating to notable stuff wrong with the mod as I play but I'm not sure if that'd maybe be considerable as spammy

[frail mantle]

ana&levi spawn item

i think this exact suggestion has been denied before

[gleaming spade]

wait why

[frail mantle]

something better would be to suggest some less specific way to force spawn the lure

[crude geode]

2 suggs a day

[gleaming spade]

ah alright

[swift wharf]

I don't really get why inferna cutter+ should get the right click purity effect, since AoP specifically has that because it's a reference from another mod which has that same effect

[hollow shell]

Cuz it's lame to lose an effect upon upgrading an item

It's one thing if it's some combat effect that gets replaced with a new combat effect

It's another thing when it's a utility that gets.. no replacement

[gleaming spade]

you upgrade a tool to lose the main ability you'd want to make it for.
reference or no reference that feels like bad game design and a discouragement to upgrade.
you could view it as a sidegrade but there's no other line that keeps the ability.

[swift wharf]

Well if you want it for the utility

You'd stick with it

Rather than upgrading it for the combat

[hollow shell]

And then it upgrades again later into the only PostML hamaxe..

[swift wharf]

I mean

That's a good point

But inferna cutter

ehhhh

[gleaming spade]

so you upgrade, lose an ability, upgrade again and get the exact same ability back?

[hollow shell]

I can see the effect fitting in with Inferna fine thematically
Calamity is no stranger to a purifying fire

"Burn away at the corruption"

[swift wharf]

Well on what are you gonna use infinite purity powder on post ML

[gleaming spade]

hell one of my points was precison purifiyng with purity compared to clentaminator but
maybe you could take the oppurtunity to have something more than just the powder, maybe you could have it shoot a line similar to clentam, or maybe even have something like the grand design but for purification rather than wires

[swift wharf]

I guess if inferna cutter was reworked for that I could see it working

Instead of just slapping an effect on top of it

Also I'm surprised that the only post ML hammer is dedicated content

[gleaming spade]

you know true. they should probably have more than that

[tired tartan]

So... just to check; has anyone in the past has suggested in doing something about the Elemental Shiv whether it be, reworking, removing, or already something noted by the devs?

[hot zephyr]

there's a chance it'll be reworked in the future

we're aware it's kinda funny atm

[tired tartan]

Yeah, it kinda feels funny atm, that somewhat, I kinda regretted 'upgrading' my Starlight into it

[hollow shell]

Pretty sure the Chloro n Cultist sugg already got implemented right?

for next update

[lofty hedge]

#suggestions-voting message
Yeah it was

[fossil finch]

Recipes

[crude geode]

Every single item in existence needs a recipe bc yes

[fossil finch]

Crying rotting

[hollow shell]

Also

[lofty hedge]

People really suggest those things that much

[crude geode]

Oh god yea

[grim tusk]

Add to the first one:
Fish for titanium crates or keep mining

[fossil finch]

The seeker mechanism just points you to where the lab is

You're supposed to use it multiple times

[gray nebula]

Ah yes the

[fossil finch]

It's like ender pearls

[gray nebula]

Arrow that points to the rare enemies

[fossil finch]

I feel you miss that point

[gray nebula]

That exissrts

Ah yes the

Instant hellevator wulfrum digging turtle

That encourages people to not look around at all until endgame

[fossil finch]

Me when the alch lite feature

[kindred creek]

Sorry, forgot it came from a different mod

My bad

Never mind, my suggestion is dumb

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

uh, Fallen Stars are already extremely common, and don't even forget Meteor Showers

making Arms Dealer sell it is a pointless thing

[fossil mural]

I get what you mean but that sounds really funny

[hollow shell]

communist GANGSTER computer god FRANKENSTEIN controls with INSTANT hellevator wulfrum digging turtles

[gleaming spade]

@dapper violet I like your idea but I feel like with calamity's balancing they'll probably set it to the guarenteed dodge every 90 seconds thing

[small timber]

brain of confusion is already CD based dodge no? so it probably will just inherit the effect

(but ya, now that you say it I only notice the suggestion still treat it as chance to dodge)

[gleaming spade]

yeah true

[hollow shell]

(I think I recall the devs intentionally putting off dealing with Brain of Confusion's inheritances because of the balance headache)

[small timber]

I still like the idea of give amalgamated brain/amalgam the dodge while move the double potion duration to core of blood god, but ya, have to wait for the dodge to happen ifrst

just give it like a massive CD then I think it will be fine

as a full offense accessory amalgam is currently a bit too weak I feel
(on amalgamated brain it might be super strong, but on amalgam definitely not), so probably just make it have like, 180sec CD on amalgamated brain then it will be fine

since counter scarf still exist (somehow)

[hollow shell]

@valid current Calamity Vanities mod adds this as a feature
(among a million other things but that is one of them)

[valid current]

sweet thanks for telling me. ill delete the suggestion

[hollow shell]

👍

[dawn raven]

should dragonfolly and profaned guardians be attempted pre moon-lord

[short walrus]

ideally not

guardians mostly because you can't

[dawn raven]

I am asking cuz of boss checklist

[short walrus]

yeah thats just

wrong

also why here? ask in #calamity-mod-talk or wherever people talk about boss checklist

[dawn raven]

I don't know which channels are for which sorry

[short walrus]

channel descriptions (and names) exist

[hollow shell]

(Dragonfolly is technically fightable Pre-ML but Profaned Guardians definitely aren't. Profaned Shard requires Luminite directly)

[short walrus]

and unholy essence, a pml crafting material

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[small timber]

I still think it is probably best to align them to their difficulty rather than when they are accessible, since otherwise technically aquatic scourge and anahita and leviathan will have to line up in pre-Hardmode

(or pre-HM old duke since I remember blood worm can spawn pre-HM or HM)

[short walrus]

pml

[hollow shell]

Yeah nah in current version Bloodworms are Post-ML only

I don't recall them ever being otherwise

[frosty trellis]

I've seen them in hm back in 1.3

[small timber]

ya, I forgot if it was changed from post-ML only to HM/Pre-Hm/spawn at anytime or the other way around
ok it was from post-acid rain (or any progression?) to post-ML only, I completely misremembered

[frosty trellis]

I remember that going into the abyss for scoria on one of my runs and getting the arrow pointing towards one

[small timber]

ya I vaguely remembered them spawning in HM too, I guess I will just open tmod

[hollow shell]

I'm looking in the source right now and there's a big fat NPC.downedMoonlord

[small timber]

(maybe it was a while ago, not sure when that was changed)

then ya it definitely is post-Moon lord

[short walrus]

@lapis yoke known bug, not calamity's fault, go to #bugs-read-pins

[small timber]

that goes to #bugs-read-pins not suggestion

ya

suggestion dont handle bugs

[short walrus]

love it when people just
throw random stuff out into suggs and abandon it

[lapis yoke]

I put it in bugs yesterday and today I suggested a solution

[short walrus]

just wait god damn

[lapis yoke]

No

[frosty trellis]

Yes

A bug being fixed does not take a day

The devs have schedules for this stuff

And there is an update patch coming out soon regardless

[lapis yoke]

I saw the patch and it reminded me of the bug

So why not suggest a fix

[frosty trellis]

That's not what suggestions are for

And it's a known bug regardless

[short walrus]

because it is already well known and a solution is already being worked on, rendering your suggestion completely pointless

[frosty trellis]

And not an easy one to fix

Suggestions are not about big fixing

That's literally what #bugs-read-pins is about

[lapis yoke]

I didn't see anything about it in pins

[short walrus]

are you sure

[lapis yoke]

Yes

[small timber]

if the solution will work then you can put it in #bugs-read-pins and it has much higher likelihood to be considered than through suggestion

[hollow shell]

Pins in the bug channel or the pins in this channel?

[small timber]

the reason they are seperated is because suggestion to fix a buf is like, not very efficient

[lapis yoke]

Pins I'm bugs channel

[short walrus]

literally in the Don'ts doc pinned at the top of sugg posting which you would have known about if you read anything in the channel's name

[hollow shell]

Because the pins in this channel contains a Google Doc called the "Don'ts" doc
which says not to report bugs in the sugg channels

yeah that

[small timber]

ya

basically if to fix a bug is as easy as just suggest a solution for it, then it likely would had been fixed already

[frosty trellis]

^

[lapis yoke]

Fair enough

[hollow shell]

I am wondering if it is possible for this suggestion to exist
As it is not just asking for the bug to be fixed, it's specifically asking for the biomes to depend on their blocks and not on world location
which technically is not inherently a "bug fix" suggestion

[frosty trellis]

The sulfurous sea and abyss thing has been a known bug, and considering biome mechanics and how large both biomes are, it's not an easy fix

[small timber]

I just think it will be like, much more efficient to put the 'bug fix solution' in #bugs-read-pins tbh

since through suggestion it will take minimum 2 weeks and enough votes, that at the time the bug might even be fixed already

[short walrus]

ah, redundancy

[frosty trellis]

Also, changing the biomes to be block dependant would fall under "a large change/a change that would take a long time to implement" since that's changing the spawning of the biomes and how they interact and shit

[hollow shell]

No it absolutely will not fall under that

[lapis yoke]

If it was changed to this you could also possibly grind abyss mobs in non-abyss places (for convenience maybe)

[small timber]

(unless the suggestion is about 'make sulphur sea and abyss dependent on blocks for the biome', or something like that, which will completely delink it from bug fix)

[frosty trellis]

Really?

[small timber]

I think sulphur sea being block dependent might make sense, but abyss probably not

[frosty trellis]

Thought it would bc it would be a fix that would take a long ass time to bugfix unless I'm mistaken

[small timber]

especially if brimstone crag rework comes in, abyss will definitely have to be locked in place

[gray nebula]

wym "it changes the spawning of the biomes"

they generate the same way no matter how the "abyss zone" is detected

[hollow shell]

The "grand-scale change" clause means something like adding a new mechanic to a class throughout the whole game, or completely reworking PostML boss progression, or something with a lot of long-term dev time and workload required

A singular but difficult change like changing something world-gen related is not disallowed

[lapis yoke]

The weird part is that the sea already is, yet it still is world tied
In my current world I have 2 Sulphurous seas

[gray nebula]

Fun fact the "zones" are like only player side its not something saved in world

[small timber]

is your world an old world?

like for example created before 1.4 port, or a newly created one

[frosty trellis]

Oh, okay. Just thought those kinds of things would be a little much for a suggestion. Thought it would be smaller than that as limit

[lapis yoke]

Created July 26th 2022 in 1.4

[small timber]

then ya it is definitely new

[hollow shell]

Dang, weird

I thought that was a release or porting problem

[small timber]

(since for me I only encountered the bug for worlds I generated before 1.4 port)

[frosty trellis]

I did a Master-Death run and I never encountered a bug from my experience

[lapis yoke]

At the same time all my calamity bosses stopped being counted as killed

[small timber]

do you have any other mods installed?

[frosty trellis]

The only thing that was massively different that I experienced was dash spamming, which I abused

[lapis yoke]

Yeah quite a few

It of course could be another mod error, but I saw other people with similar issues

[small timber]

then I can only guess it is because of the new tmod update?

not sure, but ya this is turning into #bugs-read-pins

[hollow shell]

That wouldn't really make sense cuz this issue has always occurred after the 1.4 port

[lapis yoke]

Maybe? But this was on like the 28th

[hollow shell]

sporadically

[tiny minnow]

I have 2 ways of getting around the Cultist thing:

1. if he spawns, leg it, with a Minecart track.
2. CV/PG arena quite far underground.

[short walrus]

what cultist thing?

[tiny minnow]

“Make cultists have the Critter tag”

[short walrus]

neato

[small timber]

@steel kernel while the suggestion itself dont really have problem (I think?)
Imo it will be helpful to be more clear about what you want

[steel kernel]

i just want lights for lab that isnt the vanilla glass lantern

[small timber]

Since currently you talk about glass lantern, tall doors... Which make the suggestion confusing to read

[steel kernel]

i guess

lemme remove the tall doors part

[small timber]

Ya, then probably just stat it clearly in that case

Just like, 'adding lab themed light souces will be appreciated' or something like that

[steel kernel]

stole it word for word then adjusted it

hope its more clear

[small timber]

Probably can give some example of what you considered as "misc furniture" (as the title already say light sources so it is exlucded), that way you might even include the lab theme doors you want

Other than that at least imo it is fine

[small timber]

(you dont exactly have to do this, just I think it will make it better to achieve what you want)

[steel kernel]

its just a general suggestion because i dont think calamity really has much in the way of furniture items

i just want furniture to be added i dont care what lol

just the lantern thing im more adamant about

or ill omit it entirely and try to ask for furniture next time

[orchid marsh]

22

[short walrus]

@spare solar improper formatting and lack of reasoning

[spare solar]

bro what

[short walrus]

the suggestion should be formatted like this:
title
reasoning

[spare solar]

oh my god

[short walrus]

otherwise the bot wont be able to recognise it and it wont get sent

[spare solar]

how do i make the font thicker like that?

[short walrus]

double asterisk ** words **

[spare solar]

a

oh

thank you

[short walrus]

also, you need to have reasoning Why this should happen

why should the mace be craftable?

[spare solar]

solid early game weapon but hard to find

and kind of a dissapointment when actually found instead of hermes boots etc

[short walrus]

that has to be in your suggestion

[spare solar]

just like finding staff of regrowth

you dont really like to find it

instead of anklet of the wind etc...

yes but finding pink gel is unreliable and pain

maybe make that craftable as well with the solidifier?

[fossil finch]

Why???????

Why the fuck

[spare solar]

why not?

do u love hunting for pinkys?

[fossil finch]

Yea

[spare solar]

oh yea

[fossil finch]

Not everything has to be crafteable

That's boring

Also like

[inner anvil]

Note: Pinkies appear a lot more often in the King Slime fight.

In the next update.

[spare solar]

oh really

that is cool

[inner anvil]

Probably like 1-2 per fight.

[spare solar]

thats nice

[fossil finch]

You can already fish for it and if everything
Gastropods drop pink gel so by hardmode it's 100% guaranteed you'll get pink gel

[spare solar]

you do need lightning boots for slime god

so hardmode is way too late

[fossil finch]

you don't

[spare solar]

i mean

[inner anvil]

Average Fairy Boots enjoyer.

[swift wharf]

Amphibian Boots enthusiast

[inner anvil]

Amphibian Boots. 👎

[swift wharf]

[inner anvil]

We'll nerf them! Deal with it!

[swift wharf]

dnc

i love amphibian boots

[inner anvil]

The hell does "DNC" mean?! Speak English!

[crude geode]

Pretty sure it means Devil No Cry

[hot zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948788514596720731/948805309097447444/ezgif-4-1a4d22cdbb.gif

[inner anvil]

Devil May Cry the franchise?

[swift wharf]

no

[crude geode]

No that’s the legally distinct one

[swift wharf]

the netflix series

[spare solar]

overall making the mace craftable is a great idea.

[eternal escarp]

dnc means do not care iirc

anyway idk why mace needs to be craftable its just another

i want the game to be over as soon as possible moment

[crude geode]

Truly

[eternal escarp]

you can make a wooden boomerang if you want a consistant melee weapon

or wooden yoyo

[crude geode]

Also something something Wulfrum no longer cringe for you fucks who need early game to instantly evaporate

[swift wharf]

feller of the evergreens

[eternal escarp]

or the literally 20 other broadswords pre boss

or get the ball o hurt

or make yataveo

thorn chakram

i can go on

[swift wharf]

mace is just a ''oh nice'' weapon to find

[crude geode]

But you see you have to work for those

[eternal escarp]

you see

they are:

crafted!

so what changes reallu

[spare solar]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

like if we give mace some recipe whats the point

you change nothing

[spare solar]

so that is why the mace should be craftable aswell

[swift wharf]

isnt wooden bomerang used later tho?

[fossil finch]

You missed the point horribly

[eternal escarp]

just because weapon A is craftable doesnt mean weapon B needs to be craftable

[fossil finch]

Literally all other weapons listed but wooden boomerang aren't loot

[eternal escarp]

especially not a weapon like Mace which isnt needed later on

[crude geode]

If that were the case every fucking weapon would be craftable

[eternal escarp]

beside i got like 3 maces in my recent playthrough but that can be blamed on rng

[fossil finch]

Flashback to the not all items are obtained from crafting slr spoiler

[crude geode]

Or, worse, purchasable

[hot zephyr]

would be cooler if we buffed mace/flaming mace to be an exciting option in the golden chest pool iirc

[crude geode]

Trueeee

[eternal escarp]

they already are good tbh

for a pre boss item

[fossil finch]

Nooo haha we have to go with the uncreative and boring option

We are the calamity 2017 balance team

(/j

[spare solar]

oh yes

[swift wharf]

ayo new suggestion format dropped

[spare solar]

you are the person that types /j

i understand now why u got a problem with anything

:--)

[fossil finch]

I've been on the internet for more years than it'd be healthy and I've never seen someone complain about tone indicators

Also you literally used nosed smiley

[sleek turret]

easily crafteable item to fire mace

pretty good

[eternal escarp]

yea

[crude geode]

I thought this was about pikmin’s criticism being extremely harsh, not tone indicators jeez

[eternal escarp]

theres no reason to make mace yet snother crafted melee otem there is wuite litterally 2 dozen of those pre bosd

[crude geode]

Yeah

Have the metal broadswords gotten anything unique

Or all dime a dozen

[sleek turret]

uhh

[fossil finch]

No

[crude geode]

Figured that hadn’t been gotten to yet (it sounds extremely tedious)

[sleek turret]

not sure if unique but atleast something is just size increase for some

[fossil finch]

Aside being 6 times as bigger and dealing x3 damage

[eternal escarp]

the pre hm ore ones arent super unique more so just big iirc

[fossil finch]

The vanilla true melee rebalance was a curse

[eternal escarp]

things like Bone Sword have some gimmick, though

[crude geode]

Truely

[eternal escarp]

anyways

[crude geode]

Melee bloat moment

[eternal escarp]

why does mace need to become craftable when all the other craftable options exist

mace, on its own, is a fine weapon if you go mining early and get it

[sleek turret]

can't you get it from crates though

[eternal escarp]

but if you dont feel like mining, get a different weapon

you can aswell i think

but its like

golden crates

likely

[sleek turret]

ah

[swift wharf]

what does Tm mean

[eternal escarp]

true melee

[crude geode]

Fishing pre-boss is also kinda ass tbh

[sleek turret]

Yes.

[swift wharf]

makes sense

[eternal escarp]

Bs is bullshit broadsword

[swift wharf]

fishing pre-boss gives you pumpler

[eternal escarp]

not anymore

[swift wharf]

WHAT

[eternal escarp]

you need pumpkin seeds

[swift wharf]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

(only from dryad)

[swift wharf]

it comes from stuffed fish

[eternal escarp]

wait

FUCK

[sleek turret]

pre-boss fishing is kinda ? because you have can of worms and other stuff

[swift wharf]

[eternal escarp]

correcting my lists again....

[swift wharf]

please dont mention the nerf please dont mention the nerf please dont mention the nerf

[sleek turret]

oh yeah Seed Bag 0.5

[small timber]

I think craftable mace is less about "make every weapon craftable" but more about "it is an item that easily get outclassed by other items that also spawn in a gold chest" tbh

since other gold chest item to certain degree are irreplaceable at their point of progression, meanwhile there is mace

[eternal escarp]

it is an item that easily get outclassed in a gold chest
not sure what this exactly means

[crude geode]

I mean

[small timber]

fuck, english

[eternal escarp]

you mean like

[crude geode]

I sure do love my shoe spikes

[eternal escarp]

its harder to get and therefore is outclassed by craftable options?

because idk a mace with a burning debuff on KS is quite

strong

[small timber]

ok that probably is like, closer to what I want to say

[eternal escarp]

oh compared to other gold chest weapons?

like the
flare gun

[crude geode]

[small timber]

compared to other weapon available at that point of progression, while being a gold chest drop I think

shoe spike (and mace) I think is the only outlier, flare gun (to certain degree) is a massive utility lighting that no other item at the progression provide

[eternal escarp]

enchanted boomerang is the only competitor and against KS or DS i think mace wins

esp because if you have mace, you have flaming mace

lets be honest

[small timber]

oh right enchanted boomerang too, but ya

[crude geode]

Cal tries to remedy the variance of gold chests by making the really stupid good items craft able

[eternal escarp]

enchanted boomerang is a post DS recipe i think

[crude geode]

Aka Hermes and Magic Mirror

[eternal escarp]

i think hermes recipe got slightly harder to make aswell byea

(like, 2 more swiftness potions)

(((i may be wrong i dont fully remember)))

[crude geode]

Hermes and Magic Mirror make you think gold chests are WAAAAAY more valuable than they really are

[small timber]

so it go from 'you have enough swiftness to craft from starter bag' to 'you have to farm 2 cactus and daybloom'

[eternal escarp]

if anything

DESERT loot is the loot we should talk about currently

storm spear

[crude geode]

Underground Desert

[eternal escarp]

well actually desert loot is good its just the 2 weapons that kinda

die

[small timber]

I do feel over half of the gold chest item are actually really valuable (green = good, yellow = ok, red = bad, in my opinion)

(band of regen is more you dont really have good accessory that early but I think it count)

[crude geode]

Extractinator

[small timber]

extractinator got massive buff in 1.4, it can randomly drop platinum coin

(unless cal nerfed it)

[distant gyro]

shoe spikes is good

[crude geode]

That doesn’t make me want to sift through 1000 silt blocks

[eternal escarp]

flare gun is craftable for a really really easy recipe rn
band of regen exists but id just switch it immediately
mirror
boots
cloud
shoe spikes dont exist to me
mace is pretty fine because again, flaming mace on KS / DS is quite fine tbh
boomerang exists
extractinator normally is kinda slow and boring so unless you count fargo mutant in i'd mark it yellow

[small timber]

shoe spike is good, just I always feel it is only good after I get a double jump (which at that point I likely have hook)

[eternal escarp]

shoe spike and regen band are the type of accessory i equip if i have a free slot or they have a good reforge

[crude geode]

True

Shoe spikes should let you goomba stomp enemies

[small timber]

ya, though band of regen being used in some crafting also helps its viability I feel, even if you drop it pretty early

it is just it will not be like, a 'bad find', at most mediocre and thats it

extractinator is a complete gamble machine where you can randomly get 50 gold from 50 silt, it is actually pretty ok

[eternal escarp]

either way i kinda feel like arguing mace is bad is moot because i remember using it (flaming) on ks and ds and got normal killtimes

[crude geode]

Tester moment

[eternal escarp]

and they are fun to use

there

[small timber]

I dont think mace is necessarily bad as a weapon, I just feel it is like, the one thing you wish is not in a gold chest

[crude geode]

Shoe spike

[distant gyro]

cloud is better than anything else in that list so everything else in a gold chest sucks

to be honest

[crude geode]

So true

[eternal escarp]

personally if im going to mine (which i usually do early on) i dont have any weapon

so if i find a mace

i would be slightly pleased

esp because it pretty much kills bats in like

a swing

and is a mini shield from enemies

[distant gyro]

and apparently you can just craft boots right out of the starter bag and 2 minutes of cobweb hunting

[eternal escarp]

you still can?

then i was wrong above

[small timber]

I always speedrun space planetoid so I always have ore broadsword or enchanted sword, but ya probably cause of playstyle difference

[distant gyro]

until the changes happen

[eternal escarp]

oh so there IS a change

i knew i wasnt crazy

[distant gyro]

soontm

[crude geode]

I love everything in cal being 🔜

[small timber]

if you slap a leather on hermes boot recipe I do feel it will like be enough tbh

[eternal escarp]

the angry dog grindset

or evil biome grindset

[distant gyro]

wtf it's not angry dog anymore

[eternal escarp]

wtf wtf im so old

[crude geode]

Cal players being in the community for more than one update

[sleek turret]

1 plat Extractinator rolls

[inner anvil]

This is a good suggestion, though I don't know how hard is that to code. I hope not a lot.

[small timber]

I imagine it will probably be not like, extremely difficult, at least I hope

[inner anvil]

Mind you that Terraria is the game we're modding.

[small timber]

but ya it have to get enough vote first eitherway

(oh right, Terraria)

[inner anvil]

No like, the suggestion's fine, it's correct and fair.

It's just the code.

[small timber]

ya, just Terraria is a game where if you dare to make slimes not drop lava you will be punished with overheating your pc

[inner anvil]

Exactly.

[eternal escarp]

tungsten and silver are forgotten..

[small timber]

oh right I forgot it is not hardmode ore where there is only 6

[sullen hare]

Generating non duplicate planetoids should be easy enough

Its not a vanilla change after all

Usually those are the ones that lead to the most unexpected possible results

[neat linden]

true but they're good iirc tbh imo afaik

[sullen hare]

Magic storage components casually costing all of your tungsten/silver

[small timber]

no it was a reference to the fact that I only had 6 ores (and forgot tungsten and silver) in my suggestion

scal is... not tanky

especially compare to exo mechs

and scal definitely dont need more damage when it was nerfed from dealing too much damage

[sullen hare]

Scal really isn’t tanky

And she already eats your hp bar

[small timber]

@worn light @maiden narwhal you need to format your suggestion properly for the bot to process your message

Title
(Shift + Enter)
Body/Reason of the suggestion

(you can edit the suggestion directly and it will work)

[maiden narwhal]

okay thank you

[worn light]

understood thank you

[small timber]

also I dont think scal is tanky at all, especially compare to exo mechs which have approximately 3 times the hp of scal (and even higher DR), scal just feels like a lengthy fight only because of her 5 bullet hell effectively force a 1 minute 15 seconds extra timer

[maiden narwhal]

now that i think abt it true

[small timber]

sorry this is a bit late of a response:

the first one (scal arena block one) is due to a bug where the scal shader is not working in boss rush, when the bug is fixed this problem should no longer exist

for the gael's greatsword one, please give more reason as to why this change is needed, since there are many way to buff a weapon, for example just damage

[maiden narwhal]

me and my friends were fighting her last night and it took 10 minutes maybe more to kill her

[sullen hare]

I’m not sure if it’s even worth balancing Gael’s greatsword rn

[maiden narwhal]

we all had post yharon gear

[small timber]

ya, 10 minutes do not seem right though

[maiden narwhal]

i felt like 10 but it prob wasnt tbh

[small timber]

someone probably messed with the HP slider, or your group stucked on heart phase?

[maiden narwhal]

my summoner friend was an idiot and standing back the whole time, though he was baiting the big red moons so thats a plus

[small timber]

ya, average kill time of scal is like, 4-5 minutes? and that is with a setup that do not particular lean towards damage, and on an averagely performing weapon against scal

[maiden narwhal]

it probably just felt longer than it was

also idk how this possible but somehow part of the arena around us broke and we were able to take scal outside of it

idk how it broke but it did

[small timber]

(and on MP it is supposed to be even faster, since the current multiplayer hp scaling is bugged and scal only has 110% of hp compare to singleplayer, instead of 160% hp that she is supposed to have; so you effectively deal double damage to her)

multiplayer had always known to be quite buggy, can only hope these slowly get solved as patches drop

[maiden narwhal]

yeah that is true

me and my friends had a lot of fun playing it this playthrough but yes, it was extremely buggy

looking at you astrum dues

lagged my friends out atleast 3 times

[sullen hare]

((This could be why it took longer than it should

[maiden narwhal]

whys that?

[small timber]

oh ya

[maiden narwhal]

does she enrage outside arena

[sullen hare]

Scal enrages outside the arena

[maiden narwhal]

oh

prob why

[small timber]

yes, she take 1 damage outside of the arena

[maiden narwhal]

💀

[small timber]

so literally 99.99% damage reduction

[maiden narwhal]

no wonder lmao

we only won because of me and my summoner friends raw dps

[small timber]

for the damage thing I think it is probably more just multiplayer tbh, since calamity bosses (or rather, their damage output) are designed to wear down the player and eventually kill them, not instantaneously and repeatedly kill the player

[maiden narwhal]

theyre meant to abuse the fact that were human

[small timber]

which means that if you are on a defensive (or at least non-glass cannon setup), you are supposed to be able to recover, which is why you might feel she do very little damage

[maiden narwhal]

and we cant consistently dodge their attacks

[small timber]

ya, basically that, which is why bosses dont deal like 1k damage, or at least (basically only DoG head) does that

[maiden narwhal]

lol yeah but dog head isnt too bad to avoid, just look at mini map, get NR, and loop him

[sullen hare]

If you had to nohit all bosses that would be the least fun experience ever

[small timber]

ye, which is also why it is allowed to deal that much damage

[maiden narwhal]

huh'

[maiden narwhal]

true, if you fuck up that bad, youre gonna get punished for it

[small timber]

I can say for certainty, nohitting bosses make most bosses much less fun, especially scal

[maiden narwhal]

imo no hitting is just repeating cycles over and over

there is zero element of surprise

[small timber]

ya basically, you just have to repeat a boring process until eventually did it; so ya, as long as scal dont like deal no damage, I dont feel she is in need of buffing her damage output

which as of currently, I think her damage is like fine

[maiden narwhal]

yeah ig, but my summoner friend who somehow got himself to like 400 def was able to take max like 100-200 damage per hit of a brimflame thingy, and for a final boss, to me atleast that seems a bit underwhelming

but again, we basically jumped her

so that justifys it

[small timber]

^, basically taking 100-200 damage at the sacrifice of damage for singleplayer is completely fair, since the player only have like 900+

which means they will die in 4-5 shot, and defense damage will set in if you repeatedly getting hit

just for multiplayer it is a completely different deal since having a player being that tanky just mean your entire team is invincible through respawning

so tldr, multiplayer issue

(and also another consideration is your friend probably geared very defensively to get 400 defense; for single player if the player want to be offensive they have to sacrifice a lot of defense, and buffing scal damage for them will be turning from 3-4 shot to 1-2 shot, if the buff is substantial to the point that she is capable of dealing high damage to tank builds)

[swift wharf]

this sounds like a weapon balancing issue

[small timber]

ya probably just let testers comment on it

[worn light]

how do you guys make titles

[swift wharf]

*Suggestion title goes here*

The suggestion goes here

also this sounds like a weapon balance issue AND a specific item suggestion

[ocean pond]

Would you guys be cool if I added glow masks to some of the items in the game?

I am not talking about the official mod of calamity.

But if it looked good to them then possibly a contribution

so sure.

[small timber]

ok probably a bit too late, but you probably have to delete the part about how gael works in dark soul

there is a rule about suggestion where you are disallowed to be extremely specific

it is listed in the "Suggestion Don't" pinned document in this channel

[worn light]

hmmmm

[small timber]

and there is even an additional rule where you basically cannot make suggestion where it is just for the sake of reference; for the reason that it is supposed to be a reference not straight up copy
there is also another point with gael's greatsword as it is a donor item (for calamity at least)

[hushed jetty]

You can probably submit glowmasks in the art server's submission channel

[ocean pond]

I know what you mean, I am talking about actually adding them to the mod itself.

[small timber]

but ya tldr, a reference item didn't perform exactly like its reference sources might be intentional, just look at muramasa

[ocean pond]

The functionality.

[small timber]

they have all the chance to make it actually like MGR: revengeance's muramasa but they decide not to

[small timber]

the art server is directly linked to calamity mod, just they mainly handle the art aspect of the game

[ocean pond]

Okay. Thank you.

[fossil finch]

Gael's is also technically dedicated to levi

[small timber]

ok I misread it as "gold mask", but ya I think art server do handle it

[ocean pond]

Well, have you noticed that some items in Calamity look like they should be glowing but don't? I want to add the glowmask to that said item.

Okay.

[small timber]

(though you probably have to convince them why adding glow mask to some item will make them better, since I heard the art server are quite strict for these)

[ocean pond]

Is the art server a totally different server altogether?

[small timber]

considering god slayer booster/wings still havent get implemented for years for the simple reason that the art server havent get a design that they are satisfied with

not too familiar with it but I think yes

[ocean pond]

Oh okay. I'll head there then.

[small timber]

(ok since I originally misinterpreted it, I feel this might worth mentioning)
if you just want some items to have glow mask I think you can still do through suggestion in this channel

however, in the case where you want to actively contribute (aka you give the items/sprite them to add glow mask yourself) then art server might be the way

depend on if it is yourself doing the work or not or you just want some items to have glow mask

[small timber]

@dapper violet it is already in the game, it already have lavaproof effect, just the tooltip didnt say it

[dapper violet]

Oh okay
I'll change it so the tool tip includes the said functionality

[small timber]

the tooltip change is implemented in next patch

you can see it in #changelogs

[tiny minnow]

What’s the SBTBFS?

[small timber]

the accessory mentioned in the suggestion, supreme bait tackle box...

[dapper violet]

Okay
Read over it, thanks >_^

[eternal escarp]

@maiden narwhal thats not where you post a suggestion like that

just contact the person who has it pinned

[maiden narwhal]

who

[eternal escarp]

also, you cant have more than 2 suggestions

you can see who sent the pinned message

[maiden narwhal]

ok

[eternal escarp]

for example

@polar mica suggestions about balance just with DPS dont help

especially if you did so on a test dummy

and besides, youre better off pinging a tester

[swift wharf]

you need to ping a tester

that sugg is a don't

[eternal escarp]

@dapper violet you were told already, but it would just be nicer to get the tackle box sugg off from posting as itd need to be removed regardless

[polar mica]

tests on Yharon, SCal show same results
Soma Prime deals 3-5 times less damage, then other endgame weapons

and who is tester? i didn't know about it. where can i ping him?

[eternal escarp]

tester isnt a person its a group
and im a tester so lucky you

[small timber]

(I am confused as I didnt see the soma prime suggestion in posting)

[eternal escarp]

saying DPS doesnt really help, especially for a tier of weapons that currently arent balanced because theres no real use for their balance

they removed it

[small timber]

^, this is also pinned in this channel

[eternal escarp]

you would usually provide killtimes and such, but again Soma Prime is pretty much at a tier where theres nothing to killtime for

since boss rush kinda just

yeah

like i could test soma prime rn

itd just be worthless i think

[ripe owl]

It's kinda of weird that I have seen most of the testers at least once

[eternal escarp]

[small timber]

I do remember soma prime being quite weak compare to many end game weapon, but ya, shadowspec weapon balancing is, not exactly right

[eternal escarp]

i wouldnt be surprised if soma prime is half doodoo rn

it just really isnt a concern rn

[polar mica]

it's just weird enough to see that a weapon that dealt almost the highest damage before, and was perfect for boss rush, is now so useless
anyway, thank you for clarifying the situation

[eternal escarp]

itd eventually be balanced when that area of the game is looked at

but ye, currently it would be a time waste i think

[dapper violet]

Sorry ^^;

[polar mica]

And while we're here, why Alluvion is so better then it's level weapons? like ultima or Phangasm

[eternal escarp]

its fine

[eternal escarp]

weve had a talk about some bows on yharons level and ive noted for myself to look at them soon

ive seen slight weirdness around there with Memes (another tester)

[polar mica]

okay
thanks again and sorry for wasting your time

[small timber]

I remember soma prime having difficulty killing moon lord with only auric armors but no accessory

which while is like, not accurate whatsoever, do give a rough idea, since other shadowspec weapon absolutely destroyed it
I think I was just testing post-ML world creation or something can some prime cant kill moon lord (within 1 minute)

[eternal escarp]

nah you wasted no ones time

im in this channel by choice

[cobalt pewter]

@maiden narwhal you sure you wanted to send those to #suggestions-posting?

[golden tulip]

server suggestion

i guess

[drowsy plank]

good lord what is happening in #suggestions-posting

[quiet kernel]

Its a hell

[drowsy plank]

true

[frail mantle]

malice is being removed next update

[fossil mural]

Suggestion purgatory

[swift wharf]

if only there was a way to do all bosses at once with their enraged AI

[quiet kernel]

The newest sugg seems really familiar

I cant really think why

[swift wharf]

maybe we should add new difficulty exactly like malice to replace it

[quiet kernel]

No, we should add a mode named ”the funny mode nobody liked at first, but then when it gets removed everyone wants it to stay”

Best name of the year

[golden tulip]

try infernum!!!! if you want difficulty

[quiet kernel]

Infernum cool

[golden tulip]

based

[ashen warren]

Bro isn't that a 1:1 description of malice mode

[golden tulip]

[old breach]

Holy shit thats a good name for it, "malice mode"

I like it

[gray nebula]

grug

[golden tulip]

😐

[ashen warren]

help is this ironic i cant tell

[golden tulip]

yes.

it has to be

[old breach]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We can brainstorm names if you don't like that one. Maybe "Deathvengeance"

[quiet kernel]

Better name

[golden tulip]

i literally didnt even know fossil armour is a thing

until

now

[ashen warren]

Idea: Torment Mode

[gray nebula]

change hte tier of fossil armor

[magic verge]

for reference

[ashen warren]

I mean, doesn't melee wulfrum exist

[gray nebula]

lol

[quiet kernel]

Gonna get reworked

[magic verge]

woops, meant rogue

[ashen warren]

So it's a summoner only set now?

[quiet kernel]

Yes

[frail mantle]

the mod is already balanced around rev

[small timber]

it will literally make the difference between normal and death mode where you can face tank one and cant for the other

[frail mantle]

death isn't too different stats wise

[magic verge]

the point of the suggestion is not "do something with fossil armor" or turn it into a more interesting thing, its mainly to give melee a tailored pre-boss armor

if we do so at the expense of making fossil armor more useful, then greater

[small timber]

why will they rework a ranger armor into a melee armor is the problem

[gray nebula]

ok what if hypothetically i had a pre boss melee armor that was cooler than a remixed vanilla on.e

[small timber]

especially one added by vanilla

[magic verge]

hypothetically speaking, then it would indeed aid with the suggestion of melee lacking a preboss armor

the problem of fossil armor being useless would still remain though

i just dont want useless things in my game

[gray nebula]

oomfie you just said the sugg was about giving melee a preboss armor

😭

make fossil be a tank armor

to compensate

desert prowler can be glass cannon

[magic verge]

it is

but if i can try to fix two problems in one move, ill try to do so

again, as long as melee gets a preboss armor, ill be satisfied

its just that logically is much more difficult to suggest to come with something out of thin air like new materials and whatnot

so i keep it conservative

[gray nebula]

tbh its accidentally kindof an early game melee desert armor woopesie but lol

[magic verge]

well the point of an early preboss armor is to feel like its tailored to the class

and overall just be cool and feel good to use

otherwise i would just stick with ore armor

[fossil finch]

What's with this flood of lol lmao xd suggedtions

[fossil mural]

Is desert prowler statwise better than fossil

[drowsy plank]

not right now but with the rework i think the implication is it will be

honestly fossil would be fine if you just buffed the damage and slapped some shadow scales/tissue samples like obsidian

[gray nebula]

i dont think i reworked the stats of desert prowler

also i think i need to nerf it

cuz rn it scales a lot

[fossil mural]

It's just weird because fossil and prowler are the same game stage

[gray nebula]

i dont want ppl to loadoutmax whenever te armor is off cd

[fossil finch]

I don't think there's ever been an exclamation bingo as big as 15

[drowsy plank]

truly the biggest game of read the rules impossible challenge

[fossil mural]

Suggestions have been awful the last few days

I remember seeing a "suggestion" that was just "fix uelibloom plz uwu"

[drowsy plank]

perhaps i should unload some of the ones i have in storage. no possible way they can lose to... this shit.

im pretty sure we got a couple of those actually

[gray nebula]

ok there we g

[drowsy plank]

woah

[fossil mural]

Calamity devs hate loadout maxing??? Build crafting dead??? Fabsol a big meanie???????

[drowsy plank]

tbf the best summoner pre-boss set rn is flinx coat + wulf helm which is funny

[fossil finch]

no way its

its the yharim suit

[gray nebula]

its an old af desig ndraw

[fossil finch]

looks like uh

uh

i don't know but theyre a funn little

armor guy

[swift wharf]

he's a little guy

[drowsy plank]

funny man

what a weird fuckin sugg

i mean there's nothing wrong with it but the item is so bad rn anyway i feel like there could be more to add than a random visual/sound effect lmao

[magic verge]

if they want to rework them , up to them

i just want the hit effect of the original games

[golden tulip]

wdym what a weird fuckin sugg theyre just asking for a sound effect lmao

[swift wharf]

@analog quail Wrong formatting + suggestions involving re-adding removed features are a don't

[analog quail]

Thats sad…

[swift wharf]

And malice was definitely not that relevant lmao

[neat linden]

there are some really good alternatives

[swift wharf]

Infernum

[neat linden]

Infernum

[swift wharf]

.

🤝

[neat linden]

absolutely

[gray nebula]

Lmfao

malice definitely did not make calamity rise to greatness

[neat linden]

it was the many, many reworks done in 1.5-2.0

weapons, bosses, other gear

[gray nebula]

if anything the mods that a lot of people are foaming over dont even have quirky zany difficulty increases

slr beloved

[analog quail]

I liked all the added difficulties man. Even when death got nuked it sucked

[neat linden]

slr when it :hdflr:

[analog quail]

Death prevented me for rushing the damn game

[swift wharf]

where release

[neat linden]

slr will release in

[analog quail]

Couldnt go to cold easily, couldnt rush planetoids easily etc

Couldnt rush to hell

But that mode got nuked

[drowsy plank]

i mean death rework are planned

[gray nebula]

So fun to be Forced to wear accessories and then no more problem

😇

engaging

[analog quail]

Now malice mode, just kinda sucks. I wish they’d just leave it in as is and let those who wish to use it use it

[neat linden]

planetoids early?

more like

place walls

lol, lmao

[swift wharf]

now that malice is gone

[analog quail]

Yea still had to deal with harpies

[swift wharf]

they can work on death

(very epic

so it's a win win situation

[analog quail]

Either way it was still fun

[drowsy plank]

me when i craft a stack of dirt walls and completely ignore the one feature of death mode

[analog quail]

Still had other features

[swift wharf]

heat stuff was very poorly implemented

[neat linden]

in 1.4 calam went from
expert, rev, death, malice
to
expert, expert rev, expert death, expert malice, master master rev, master death (only matters for like 2 bosses hdflr)

oh and FTW

i cannot forget FTW

Especially ftw provi

[analog quail]

Yea and we have even more gear to deal with it. Terraria 1.2 to 1.3 was a massive boost in survival, dps and mobility

As the gear goes up so to does difficulty

[frosty trellis]

FTW is by design unfair because it's a meme seed

[analog quail]

Or should if you want a constant push

[neat linden]

yeah but like, devs don't feel the need to maintain malice anymore

seeing how mixed malice is

[analog quail]

But why outright remove it is all im saying

[neat linden]

many like it but many dislike it

[neat linden]

to have more time and resources to work on rev and death

[frosty trellis]

Have you tried reading #changelogs

[small timber]

while I dont necessary agree with malice removal (I thought it could be improved in the long run), but do recognize that malice existing divided effort from all other modes, considering it is (mostly?) fabsol alone doing the difficulty boss changes

[swift wharf]

many reasons

[small timber]

with malice removed this means there will be more focus on other difficulties, for example death mode

[analog quail]

I again said just leave it

[swift wharf]

also yeah changelogs

[neat linden]

Fab works on most boss things yeah

[swift wharf]

you cant just

leave it

that's not how it works

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[analog quail]

It can cause some issues but its already worked up to exo

[small timber]

with death officially becoming the "highest calamity difficulty", they can finally actually make it much more challenging than rev, rather than being forced to be the middle ground between rev and the unfair malice

[swift wharf]

it's the same with shortswords

[neat linden]

In case you didn't notice the entirety of 2.0's purge
Devs don't like something low effort in the mod

a ton of useless weapons, buffs etc were removed

[frosty trellis]

Malice was poorly tested, poorly implemented, a lot of the community found it straight up unfair due to this, and the devs hated it bc it was a nightmare to try and balance another difficulty while doing 80000000 other things

[small timber]

and malice difficulty is pretty much bloated by the fact that it is unfair, as in the bosses are behaving in ways they are not intended to; and you basically just try to overgear them as much as possible

for death they can finally just make it actually fair but hard

[neat linden]

rn the plans are a ton of 1.4 balancing

then death balancing

and biome updates

all mixed into many, many updates

[frosty trellis]

Death still has AI changes that make things harder (Yharon, f.e., is 80x harder on death than Rev imo) but the change to DoG funnily enough I found to be easier

And that's about it bc I don't remember anything else changing

Only two boss changes

That's not a good thing

And I've done 4 death mode runs

[neat linden]

not counting the difficulty talk, how hard is it to format a sugg at least remotely properly

[analog quail]

Imo malice wasnt that bad. It was about learning to dodge, learning patterns and overall preparing to some degree. With early game dodge now (brain of cuthulu rework) it made it easier

[neat linden]

oh in 2.0 it isn't

[small timber]

ya, basically death is an increase on difficulty, but no way compare to expert to rev

[neat linden]

but that's not even the main reason of removal

[small timber]

especially for experienced player

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

I did expert, then Rev, then Death

[analog quail]

If death becomes harder then malice sure

[neat linden]

i personally feel like the change should be dang noticeable

[frosty trellis]

And saw no difference in my experience between Rev and death until DoG

[analog quail]

It’ll be nice

[neat linden]

rev --> death isn't a lot yet

[swift wharf]

or just

play infernum

iirc

[neat linden]

but either of these two --> infernum?

hell yeah

complete ai reworks and just overall changes

[frosty trellis]

If you want a difficulty designed to be hard and challenging, go play infernium or eternity

[neat linden]

yeah emode is nice too

[frosty trellis]

Malice was not tested

[neat linden]

there's also maso mode

which is uhh

[frosty trellis]

And just because it's the hardest calamity difficultly does not mean it has to be straight up unfair

[neat linden]

afaik fargo's devs opinion on maso mode is the same as cal devs on FTW

difficult because haha

is funi

[gray nebula]

malice bozo difficul ty

[unique vector]

this really is just a suggestion L day huh

[hollow shell]

Jesus Christ why are there so many invalid suggestions

[unborn oriole]

Can't wait for 49 more suggestions wanting malice back to never even use it

[amber otter]

Malice was fun for the people What want to Flex

[small timber]

"malice is a fair difficulty, it is just about right in terms of challenge level, anything lower than it is too EZ for a pro player like me"
their QoL mods: alchemistnpclite, antisocial, wing slot, luiafk, unlimited buff slot ...
I wish I saved the QoLMods.png

[amber otter]

XD

Malice was pretty fun for multiplayer

[analog quail]

Its not even to flex

Play master terraria then play regular

Legit give it a try

And you’ll see it becomes boring to go easier once you’ve learned

Go play any game with difficulty increase at highest then lowest same thing

[swift wharf]

Yes, something difficult does become easier when you learn it

[analog quail]

Well everyone going on its a flex thing, its more of a challenge as once you’ve done all classes on expert rev

What next

Rev malice

Rev malice death(old death) etc etc

[swift wharf]

You do realize that terraria is more than boss fights

[analog quail]

You strive for higher difficulty content

Yea

I do wiring, building, farms etc

[swift wharf]

And not everyone wants to play on higher and higher difficulties

[analog quail]

…. Thats why theres a little item you can use that idk

Removes the difficulty

[orchid briar]

The issue is that the devs didn't like it, and balancing it would remove time and effort from other parts of the mod

[native fox]

so because someone doesn't want to play higher difficulty, others shouldn't too?

[orchid briar]

And if they didn't fix the issues, they would be berated for it's lack of polish

[analog quail]

People will nag on any difficulty

Look at the dark souls community

[swift wharf]

What

[analog quail]

Elden ring gave an option to basically play offline

[analog quail]

And yea i agree. For any players who’ve done ftw master

[unique vector]

just read the message in #changelogs

thats all 👍

[analog quail]

Trying to play normal is a drag

[swift wharf]

Yeah this is getting unecessary

[native fox]

yup

[orchid briar]

Pretty much it got removed, and suggesting to bring back removed content is a don't

[gray nebula]

ok and how were players meant to know the mode wasnt even that well balanced and had issues

[analog quail]

By testing

[gray nebula]

.

[analog quail]

How do you think I learned Eternity x malice Golem is impossible

Legit

[orchid briar]

💀

[gray nebula]

By letting the players test it for themselves?

Then theyre gonna complain about it being unbalanced

[analog quail]

Cuthulu at 10% gets like 99% DR

[gray nebula]

And thats not graet

[analog quail]

Then leave a text like eternity

[gray nebula]

Do we then go tell the playerss "haha its gonna be unbalanced forever lmao"

[analog quail]

Saying yo this isnt for beginners

Its not even that unbalanced

[native fox]

id prefer that

[gray nebula]

ok and people are still gonna go "yeah but im too good at the game"

😎

[analog quail]

If you learn patterns

[gray nebula]

Anwyays its removed

its not coming back no matte r what you say

[swift wharf]

simply code it back

iirc

[gray nebula]

if you want to be a hardcore gamer look at the announcement it shows alternatives

[analog quail]

And ive done most

Ive even stated that

[gray nebula]

Welp

[analog quail]

Read m8

[gray nebula]

Then yeah idk code your own mod

[swift wharf]

even infernum?

[gray nebula]

👍

were not gonna just keep making on higher and more difficult stuff just because a mini subset of players keep getting used to the previous most difficult mode

[analog quail]

All your counters have just been “its too unbalanced” and people dont want to play higher. I gave you alternatives. Just as Master you dont have to play

[gray nebula]

my counter is that

its not getting re added

[small timber]

especially if malice's difficulty entirely comes from the fact that it is overtuned

[gray nebula]

[swift wharf]

[gray nebula]

Like its not getting re added im sorry oomfie ur gonna have to go thru the 5 stages of grief about this one

[burnt condor]

yeah and they don’t have to keep it in

[gray nebula]

Bargaining is over move to anger

[analog quail]

No they dont, Im saying it should be tho

[swift wharf]

[analog quail]

Or at least leave it open for another modded to add malice (which might happen as is)

[hollow shell]

Duncan go play Infernum

[analog quail]

….

Smh

[swift wharf]

You haven't mentioned infernum

[vocal grotto]

Someone will likely attempt it
There appears to be some demand

[swift wharf]

Have you considered giving it a try?

[vocal grotto]

But at that point it's outside of base Cal's focus

[analog quail]

Yea I will, doesnt take away malice

[gray nebula]

oh my goddd im difficoolty maxxing

[swift wharf]

[gray nebula]

anyone can code their own "bossesa re SUPER hard difficulty

[small timber]

just wait for death mode to like, become more difficult, since malice is definitely not coming back anyway

[gray nebula]

doesnt have to be "malice but again"

majking it "malice but again" does increase how sellable it is

[analog quail]

Malice isnt just bosses

[gray nebula]

qué

[swift wharf]

whbat

[gray nebula]

wasnt it just bosses

[swift wharf]

[orchid briar]

It was

[inner anvil]

Malice is just bosses.

[small timber]

ya malice is literally just bosses

[gray nebula]

Oomfie??

[inner anvil]

Nothing else.

[swift wharf]

Are we talking about the same mode?

[hollow shell]

Malice is in fact the only difficulty mode that was just bosses
Rev and Death have some world n enemy changes

[analog quail]

Read it further

[orchid briar]

Hey, it nerfs life steal, so he's not technically wrong

[swift wharf]

ah yes

like life steal matters for literally everything else but bosses

god.

[gray nebula]

its litterally just the bosses + lifesteal and thats not where the difficulty comes from anyways

[hollow shell]

Expert, Rev, and Death also nerf lifesteal

[analog quail]

It changed arena methods, made it so you couldnt cheese most methods

[orchid briar]

Boss changes

[small timber]

that is death mode changes

[swift wharf]

[gray nebula]

thats boss changes

[small timber]

malice is later made to only be activable on death mode
previously it basically force you to play on a pseudo-death mode condition

[hollow shell]

Why are we even still talking about this

[swift wharf]

death]

(+ enemies + enviroment)

[small timber]

but ya, malice will not be readded anyway

[swift wharf]

anyways the yharon telegraph sugg is good

[hollow shell]

@sand edge Don't make suggestions about upcoming content you haven't seen yet.

[sand edge]

Thats why i said if they arent available to so they implement it thats the whole point of a suggestion

[hollow shell]

Your question would be answered if you waited for the update to come out and you saw how it works personally

[sand edge]

Okay its good

[fossil finch]

there is 17 it's the highest bingo ever recorded

lol?

i don't think there is any way to describe this suggestion
It's not even invalid at all it's just
Lol?

[small timber]

who decided to make it 17.65% in the first place, it must be for trolling

[hollow shell]

I am like 90% sure this number was not one specifically chosen by the devs and is instead the mathematical end result of a more reasonable spawn rate change in the code

I'll look into it later

[small timber]

Ya make sense, since it is too strange of a number to intentionally make it that way

[lavish condor]

353/2000 simplified seems really specific to me. My limited knowledge of coding says that would be rougher to work with than 1/5 but if there's a specific reason for it I could delete the sugg

[old breach]

why does this discord have a weird mob mentality shitting on people whenever they bring up malice mode? its a valid concern that there is a playerbase that enjoys it

the work has been done for it, just leave it in

and when someone asks a valid question about how they can stop from updating they get shit on further for even playing it

inb4 "lol just go play infernum"

[lavish condor]

Answering the mob mentality question most people have joined this server because they like Calamity and naturally would defend it

[neat linden]

devs prefer moving time and effort into higher effort and longer existing things

devs realised quite a while ago that malice will be hard to fully balance out

[old breach]

i think every malice mode player would love for them to just work on other things, but leave malice mode as is

[neat linden]

and with 1.4 throwing in master and FTW to the run, and with most work on boss AIs being done by 1-2 devs

[old breach]

its not meant to be balanced and we like that

[neat linden]

Devs themselves consider malice low quality

[old breach]

let me hurt myself goddamnit

[neat linden]

And what do they do with low quality?

see 2.0.0.001

[fossil finch]

add malice back to the dark pit of hell

[neat linden]

Try FTW

It was meant to be unbalanced as hell

[fossil finch]

also "niche faction likes X" doesn't mean devs have to please those people

[neat linden]

that is its entire gimmick

so if you want unbalanced?

go master death FTW

[fossil finch]

pleasing everyone is impossible and the removal of malice is objectively a good decision on the devs part becuase malice is just bad game design

[old breach]

but why is it a good decision?

[lavish condor]

Would be weird to have three difficulties, 2 balanced and being worked on, and 1 being thrown away in development. It's like them saying "We have 2 high quality difficulties!" "What about malice" "We don't talk about that"

[eternal escarp]

if you leave malice mode in people wil complain about its existance and request changes done to it

theres no winning here

its easier to remove it and have no people keep complaining about an unfinished difficulty mode that lost its purpose when around 70% of people dislike to hate it

[fossil finch]

no one is entitled to anything the devs do and at the end of the day it's their decision
and it's a good one for them because it prevents this, which comes from a larger and more vocal majority than people wanting malice to stay

[gray nebula]

this

yes

[eternal escarp]

thats what i said but shorter

yeah

[neat linden]

and with clamtea coming to 1.4

there's a lot of new players

[old breach]

malice mode is some of the most fun ive had in calamity, and its sudden removal with "u guys didnt want it and we arent open to suggestion" is really suspect. having a big red you arent supposed to be able to beat this tag before using the item is easy enough

[gray nebula]

maybe some people are quirky and like unfair stuff but to a clueless player that just thinks they're awesome at the game and everything and they they play it and they find out it's not actually insanely great, they're gonna complain. and that sucks

No one read the item description or cared

[neat linden]

people reading?

[fossil finch]

having a big red tag "this mode is badly designed and we know don't complain about it thanks lol!" is just as stupid

[gray nebula]

cuz some ppl just wanna turn everything on because idk they're too GAMER

master mode ftw malice

[lofty hedge]

^