suggestions-discussion

[dire mural]

god gamer

[fossil finch]

anyways i agree they need changes anyway

[dire mural]

unrealistic edge case

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[fossil finch]

combo attacks whenever fabsol feels like it

someday

[dire mural]

like honestly id take a

whats the math

id take a 40% nerf to artemis and a 12.5% buff to all other mechs

[fossil finch]

theres no math terraria is too weird of game to do math on this

[frosty trellis]

I do think Exos need a little change here and there, but I like the fight as a whole

[dire mural]

how they do that % is up to them

exos are REALLY cool thematically

by far best boss in theme

[fossil finch]

scrap this there's no math for this for any game

[dire mural]

okay actually

i really like brimstone

[crude geode]

Incorrect

[frosty trellis]

Twins are the only exo I die to, so one of them being the main culprit makes sense (I forget which one is Artemis and which one is Apollo ngl)

[fossil bronze]

i wonder if playing at normal speed just makes artemis way harder or something

[dire mural]

artemis is the orange spread vomit

and beam

[frosty trellis]

Although, I will and always say, exos are much easier than SCal

[dire mural]

apollo is the thick shot

[fossil finch]

you do not go "you actually have to nerf ender dragon by 18.6% and buff wither to be 189% more like bedrock

[dire mural]

and dash

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Ohio Beam isn't an issue

[dire mural]

obviously

[frosty trellis]

It's the shotgun blasts and weird shit it does that is annoying

[fossil bronze]

BEDROKC WITHER !!!!!

[dire mural]

i dont mean that as in thats thhe issue

[fossil finch]

sorry? i didnt see your pass for wrong takes

bedrock wither is more accurately legacy wither but its on bedrock now so yeah

[dire mural]

artemis is most likely the prime culprit to what causes the hated clusterfuck people still complain about

Ares has a lot but with the update hes super readable

[fossil finch]

i mean thematically as mech mayhem 2 maybe not but thematically as COOL draedon robot DEFINITELY

[frosty trellis]

Ares isn't hard at all

[drowsy plank]

man this channel going wild

[dire mural]

ever since they fixed his indicators

[crude geode]

Thematically it’s mech mayhem 2 and that’s my problem with it

[fossil bronze]

before the update ares was horrible

[frosty trellis]

His projectiles are super easy to see and once you get his pattern down it's downright easy to just dodge

[dire mural]

to fight or in strength

[fossil finch]

anyways again

[dire mural]

vampy

i can agree to it not literally forcing you to ove one way but it damn well feels like it

at least to me

[drowsy plank]

i was just gonna ask why provi switches from nighttime form to daytime form in the middle of the fight if the time changes, regardless of which one you started her in (i wanted to do enraged but it became day lmao)

[proven folio]

missed it before but yes

[fossil finch]

combined phase attacks someday fabsol did say he wanted to do them but hes on break and this things usually take time because he does them when he feels like it and that's never something you know when will happen

[dire mural]

if i had to nerf artemis

hmm

[fossil bronze]

i wasnt..the one who said hat?

[dire mural]

id make an indicator when its about to start its shotgun vomit

[dire mural]

h not you

[fossil finch]

because its like anticheese or some shit

[dire mural]

okay give me a minute

ill clear what i mean

[dire mural]

to fight or in difficulty

thats what i replied to you with

i was replying to neko with the movement thing

since neko was who said it

[fossil bronze]

to fight
his telegraphs were just too hard to notice imo

[dire mural]

yeah

thats what i thought

[frosty trellis]

I only started playing in 1.5.1.6, so I don't know what release Ares was like, but he wasn't bad for me once I got blender down

[dire mural]

Ares was a main contributor before his indicators got fixed and stuff nerfed

[drowsy plank]

that is like. the opposite of anticheese. it literally just punishes you for winning the enraged fight lmfao

if provi enrages she should stay enraged no matter what

[dire mural]

if i had to nerf artemis id at the very minimum add an indicator for when its about to start shotgun vomiting

[crude geode]

Release Ares was like. indicator hell.

[dire mural]

and a MUCH better indicator for its ohio laser

[crude geode]

In terms of having NONE

[frosty trellis]

Oh yeah, start for the shotgun would be really nice

[fossil bronze]

"look at how many lightning bolts there are in the background. this is very intellegent telegraph design"

[fossil finch]

there is also the whole damage talk you guys are ignoring rn but exos got their damaged gutted from release

[frosty trellis]

I think another problem with Exos is that the twins special attacks don't sync

After the first one

[dire mural]

its like artemis was the golden child while apollo was the runt

like wtf lmao

one is way better

[frosty trellis]

E-Dash goes first, then Ohio Beam godknowshowlong later, and it threw off my timing a lot

[dire mural]

noite i have not complained once about apollo

[dire mural]

ohio beam has no indicator unless you see the beamon screen which is not consistent at all

which is like

"oh cool just took half health"

[fossil finch]

it only punishes you if you happen to get her to 1 health comically close to it turning into morning and this is an issue solely with the death anim which is more recent than night prov
If are not in this conditions you clearly did not win enraged night prov yet xd

[frosty trellis]

When they do the special attack the first time, they sync and it's pretty easy to get where to RoD for Ohio

[dire mural]

ye

[frosty trellis]

But the 2nd time, E-Dash goes WAY before Ohio

Which means Apollo is attacking you while Ohio is going off

[dire mural]

indicator for artemis on the beam and its shotgun getting made clearer or just made at all

would be nice

i dont know if id like, delay the time between the shotgun bursts

[frosty trellis]

Fix the desync at the bare minium

[dire mural]

ye

[crude geode]

Exo mechs having no indicator moment

[frosty trellis]

Ares does

And same with thanatos

[dire mural]

theyre referencing the old mechs

where there was none

[crude geode]

Yes

[dire mural]

its a calamity meme

for good reason

[frosty trellis]

Ic

[dire mural]

exo mechs were like

10x difficult

lmao

[frosty trellis]

Only started playing calamity in April, but for modern calamity I have a hang of how things work for the most part

Zamn

[dire mural]

started playing about 3 weeks ago

buuuuut

i am someone who does research

[frosty trellis]

Back when I started I always found them easier than SCal, and that has still stood today for me

[dire mural]

well it took me 3 tries to do both as summoner

took me 30 with exo mechs

[frosty trellis]

Summoner is like

Broken as shit

[dire mural]

thats another thing

summoenr i think isnt inherently broken beside slike, in its bugged manners lmao

its squishy as shit

[frosty trellis]

I mean

Post plant it just does so much damage

[dire mural]

i honestly find fine, post plant most things can 2 tap summoners

lmao

[proven folio]

you might be right, loaded my death char on a new world and it was just expert
but currently idk what happens with multiple players

[frosty trellis]

And all I do half the time is either reapply tag damage or hold RoD/Portal Gun. It's much easier to dodge shit and do too much damage

[dire mural]

yeah, its high reward but you get hit twice youre dead

ive been able to soak at least like

[frosty trellis]

Not always

[dire mural]

4 hits on mage

[frosty trellis]

Even on Master-Death I could take more than two convective hits, and I wasn't even using a full defensive build. Anything but SCals bullet hells and DoG's head I could like more than 2 hits from

[fossil finch]

this is kinda "aschkually" but he is right its literally how its coded

[dire mural]

honestly i think the issue isnt that summoner is busted besides its bugged weapons, its more so other classes arent up to par with the whole "high damage vs take high damage"

[fossil finch]

no its that summoner is busted

that's it

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

It really is

[dire mural]

i mean, imd own for em beocming squishier

[frosty trellis]

Summoner does too much damage

[fossil finch]

its not some weird metaphysical high risk high reward thing going on with summoner it is that its op thats it

[frosty trellis]

I'm find with summoner being a little bit stronger than the other classes because they are squishy as heck

But not so ridiculously overpowered compared to the others

[fossil finch]

the defence disparity between classes honestly is shitty and summoner's more based on the idea you don't have distractions while dodging than on some sort of high risk high reward design

[dire mural]

shrug, i wont argue too much, i did do scal and exo mechs in 3 tries on summoner and i count exo mechs as actually one try cause i died two times in a stupid ass manner

[dire mural]

fair

[frosty trellis]

It's not even high risk. Hell, it's probably one of the easiest and most braindead classes

[dire mural]

i mean

id agree to easy

[frosty trellis]

Being able to focus on dodging when I'm already decently good at that

[dire mural]

honestly im totlly down for them making summoner squishy

[frosty trellis]

And then just being able to hold RoD at all times or a portal gun for fall speed

[dire mural]

like actually squishy

[frosty trellis]

Can just focus while my summons just nuke everything

The only thing that comes close to what summoner can do, is Contagion

[dire mural]

honestly considering most summoner weapons are bugged and can crit

far as i can tell

[frosty trellis]

I thought that was fixed

[dire mural]

oh no no no

scanner and saros 100% do

same for sirius

but sirius is also bugged to be 1 minion slot of damage scaling at 8 slots

[fossil finch]

they're not bugged and can crit its just

[dire mural]

so its actually ass

[fossil finch]

they can crit

that's it

it's not exactly a bug

[dire mural]

well thats dumb

[inner anvil]

Yes, modded summons can crit for some reason, we need to fix that.

[frosty trellis]

Ic

[dire mural]

that definitely sounds unintended

[fossil finch]

it's some tmod lol lmao issue that was left

[dire mural]

so maybe not a bug more so an oversight

[inner anvil]

Probably...

[frosty trellis]

That explains why post plantera that everything started to die quite quickly

[dire mural]

yeah

also just get scanner after doing skeletron prime first

everyone pre golem is easy

i made the mistake of getting skeletron prime as my last mech

cause i thought scanner required all souls

[frosty trellis]

Once summoner gets the bug fix for modded summons can't crit, will probably be more balanced then

[dire mural]

not just primes

[dire mural]

yep

[crude geode]

I love y’all going “summoner op” with a tester right here

[dire mural]

i mean

[frosty trellis]

I mean

[dire mural]

memes has backed it up

[frosty trellis]

The devs agree

Lmao

[dire mural]

and shown proof lmao

like for example

mechworm kills yharon 2x faster then any other class

or saros

[frosty trellis]

I thought it was saros that just killed yharon in no time

[dire mural]

yeah once you get saros and mechworm you kinda are set

lmao

[frosty trellis]

16 slots and Yharon wasn't living for long

I mean, Yharons Kindle post-yharon is still insane

[dire mural]

sirius is double bugged

it can crit AND doesnt actually scale

[frosty trellis]

Wdym doesn't actually scale?

[dire mural]

8 slot sirius is bugged to do 1 slot damage

lmao

[crude geode]

Slot scalers have always been kinda blegh.

[frosty trellis]

Isn't 16 slot doing just dumb damage rn?

[dire mural]

it doesnt scale on sirius becuas eit sbugged to only be 1 slot

it works just fine for saros

well

no it works the opposite way for saros iirc

lmao

[proven folio]

would it be bad to scale normal enemies post plantera?

[dire mural]

shrug

[crude geode]

Why

[frosty trellis]

No reason too

[dire mural]

what would you give these as drops

if you made normies tougher post plantera

what do they drop

[crude geode]

Also stat bloat is bad please don’t

[dire mural]

but yeah anyways

i think summoner without crit would be quite balanced

still the highest class but not yknow

2x faster at killing any boss

[frosty trellis]

We already have master mode for that

Lmao

[proven folio]

not by much but zombies kinda dont add much

[crude geode]

That’s kinda the point

[dire mural]

i love how tmodloader shows why vanilla terraria makes it so summons cant crit

[frosty trellis]

Without crit they would be much better

And then fixing minion slot scaling

[proven folio]

there arent even any normal enemies that can do anything post ML

[crude geode]

Scorn Eater does exist Byeah I’d agree

Post ML does lack normal enemies doing anything outside of hallow/hell

[dire mural]

yeah cause saros and sirius are bugged in opposite directions iirc

saros is doubling its scaling and sirius reverts to 1 slot

kinda funny

[frosty trellis]

If they killed stuff faster than any other class which good luck in endgame when contagion is right there by a margin that's not ignorable but not by much would be fine by me

[dire mural]

yeah cause rn its 2x minimum

if it was like

1.25x or even 1.5x

thatd be better

[proven folio]

you kinda just mow them without them being able to fight back except for being annoying flies

[frosty trellis]

1.5x is way to much

[proven folio]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frosty trellis]

Thinking around 1.2x would be fine

[dire mural]

well

considering that summoners are at MINIMUM

doing 2x damage

arguably 4x damage

yeah

[frosty trellis]

1.2x with a balanced build

You want to go full DPS and sacrifice your defense go right the fuck ahead

[dire mural]

id say 1.5x would be fine considering summoners rn are doing like 2-4x the damage depending on point in game

scanner for exmaple makes anything pre golem cheese

and thats something you can get first thing in hardmode

[frosty trellis]

Didn't actually use mounted scanner lmao

[crude geode]

Endgame doesn’t exist and will never be balanced

[dire mural]

oh its op as shit

[frosty trellis]

In my summoner run

[dire mural]

lmao

[frosty trellis]

Fair

[dire mural]

scanner legit is the best summoner weapon in the mod

for how strong it is in its time of game

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Was about to counterclaim you with universe splitter, but time in the game is fair

[dire mural]

no other summoner weapon carries you from early hardmode to almost post moonlord

[crude geode]

Can’t wait for it to get nerfed and some new weapon to rise up as a problem child

[dire mural]

lol

[frosty trellis]

Lol

[dire mural]

honestly it doenst need to get nerfed in damage besides the cirt removal

just make it require all mechs

scanner can be gotten first mech

which is reaaaally op

honestly

real talk

i think if it was 1.5x damage of other classes summoner would be fine, rn it is like 3-4x now that i think about it

considering Saros possession can do 80-100k

pre yharon

[hot zephyr]

saros possession is bugged

[dire mural]

i know

im just saying summoner being 1.5x damage of other classes would be fine, since rn its 3-4x

depending on point of game

[olive token]

what's the start requirement now a days

[inner anvil]

Absolutely not.

[crude geode]

Be in the top 20% of suggs

Specifically this one

[swift wharf]

n o !

that would tier shift t2 of draedon gear

just

🪓

[olive token]

thats cool

[sand ermine]

@agile socket wrong format, also server suggestions are supposed to go to modmail

also theyre not adding a meme channel

[crude geode]

Cal players are also known to be the least funny people

[sand ermine]

yeah

[swift wharf]

literally just join another server

[sand ermine]

yeah

[hollow shell]

Weird

Discord is shaking my screen when I try to add an exclam reaction

Doesn't apply it

[crude geode]

Hm weird

At least discount exclaim™️ is there but that does sound like a more pressing pisscord issue

[hollow shell]

Still doesn't let me after refreshing Discord

I stg if it's because of the scam servers I'm in that I've already reported to Discord

[proud quest]

any weapons getting reworked?

i know not all can be reworked but its cool to hear

[crude geode]

Not the channel for it

#calamity-update-talk

[proud quest]

ok..

[swift wharf]

that usually happens when you're blocked by the person

[sand ermine]

LOL!!

[grim tusk]

Just nuke the suggestion instead

[crude geode]

Honestly it’s probably fine

[fossil finch]

Yeah you actually can't by pass reaction blocks and that's bad

You may be blocked by them

[hot zephyr]

Give me mod perms for a bit

I gotta react

No adverse consequences will happen I swear....

[orchid cairn]

is there a reason why the reaper deals 90% damage to yharon?

it seems like its weaker than most of the other weapons youd use for yharon

to prevent you from skipping DoG too easily is the only thing i could think?

[crude geode]

Probably a holdover from when it was op

[small timber]

sorry this is a bit late to the conversation (destroyed by time zone)
in my opinion it is like this, it will be a bit lengthy:

(I probably should put it in txt instead)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah, can agree there

Would say exo twins clip me while falling still

[small timber]

basically if you have want to fall during trio you have to fall straight down, like, | down

[frosty trellis]

Because they are both diag left or right, so the shots can hit you in the trio phase

Yeah

[small timber]

(which made it worse)

[frosty trellis]

Which, if I am going to nohit them (since I'm doing a nohit run) Can't exactly fall god, so that's going to suck

Kinda just have to adren area down to solo phase and fucking pray I don't get clipped in the process

[small timber]

for nohit you just, completely outdps trio phase, it is what everyone do

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[small timber]

or you can do this, sec

[fossil finch]

God i hope we lock more content before more content

(It still wouldn't work

[frosty trellis]

Master-Death nohit though, so stat bloat is pain

dpsing with way more than designed HP is fun

[fossil finch]

Oh it would it'd just be legitimately impossible

Great

Anyways i hope we don't do this ever

[frosty trellis]

Do what?

What are you talking about?

[fossil finch]

Latest sugg

Whenever a seemingly ooc message spawns here It's probably about the latest sugg

[frosty trellis]

You need an ancient manipulator to fight Yharon regardless

[small timber]

(shroom warning)

you can beat every boss with moon lord gear (on rev at least), except exo I think since I used global arena which is too far of a stretch for "possible"

[fossil finch]

Yeah they're asking to make scal fighteable pre ml because yharon is

[small timber]

but ya, normally you are forced to do yharon before exo anyway so it is more than possible

[fossil finch]

Currently auric bars and alter use cosmic anvil

[frosty trellis]

Didn't Myra do SCal on Master-Death?

With Vanilla gear?

Oh wait

Zenith isn't ML anymore

Nvm

Lmao

[small timber]

I did the entire post-ML with ML level gear, have video for it even

[fossil finch]

Anyways i hope yharon becomes post ml again

[frosty trellis]

I believe you

[small timber]

but ya, no-self promote, you can probably search it up

[frosty trellis]

Magic carpet I assume?

[small timber]

exo is basically the only one where I was forced to do unordinary thing (global arena) because thanatos is massive pain when you dont have good wings

[small timber]

ya carpet, basically moving completely horizontally also works

[frosty trellis]

Oh that was a defiled run? Makes sense

[fossil finch]

I think shroom is already extraordinary by normal standards

[frosty trellis]

Carpet being faster than celestial tracers is wild though

[fossil finch]

Because it's like stupid

[small timber]

nono, I mean for my post-ML gear run

[frosty trellis]

Shroom is not something I'm good enough at the game to even try

[small timber]

(nohit is kinda extraordinary and stupid by itself)

[frosty trellis]

I was referencing the vid though

Which is clearing not ML gear only lmao

[fossil finch]

anyways the fun part about non linearity is that biome updates will hopeful butcher it specially post ml
Anyway

[small timber]

I think for exo I used terrarian, lunar kunai and ele disk

[frosty trellis]

?

[small timber]

and ele disk DESTROYED thanatos, which says a lot about how squishy thanatos is

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Thanatos has always been squishy

Can kill that thing with one adren

[small timber]

(which is why it is perceived as easy, if it is as tanky as the other two it is one of the hardest mech during berzerk)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Would be very hard it it just had better Dr

Couldn't just use dragons rage, pop rage and adren and bring it from 100 to 0 in less than 5 seconds with a more defensive orientated build

[fossil finch]

now, as the suggestion suggests, do scal with pre ml gear but post yharon weapons

It'll be fun i swear

[frosty trellis]

God no

SCal is already my least favorite fight in the game

I need no reason to hate her more

[small timber]

I think the following will be what I would change for exo (if the 'rebalance exo mechs' suggestion is made):

• Thanatos: open up segment consistently regardless of its distance from the player, currently it need to be certain distance from player to fire = open up segment = damageable; make it have actual positive DR instead of negative DR
• twins: solo is ok as it currently is, if you don't like the desync issue maybe make it so they have 2 modes: 1 synced (apollo dash and artemis ohio beam happen at the same time) and 1 desynecd, and alternate between these 2 modes
• ares: remove gauss nuke, the attack is a massive area denial that just mess with its other attack while achieving nothing, just general unfun to dodge too; tesla and laser is fine; plasma I feel with gauss nuke removed/reworked it can be the attack that aim directly at the player

duo/trio: ya they need rework, there is no way around it that are not band-aid

[small timber]

@dire mural ^ my opinion on it, and + this one

[frosty trellis]

One issue with that

Make the special attacks of twins sync after the first one

After the first one, E-Dash goes before Ohio, then Ohio just happens at random with no warning

Has caught me off guard

[small timber]

doing scal and exo post-yharon actually dont put you in much disadvantage: you have some of the best weapons like final dawn, dragon's breath, dragon's rage, muramasa if you count it; you have drew's wings which is better (or at least on-par) to celestial tracer; and good accessories like yharim's gift

you will be lacking armor but things like solar armor is mega busted anyway

[frosty trellis]

And has cause this very not fun thing to happen

Bc they don't sync

And it completely ruins my timing

[frosty trellis]

Dragonfolly is pre-ML

So no Solar Armor

[small timber]

oh I forgot the suggestion is for pre-ML not post-ML

[frosty trellis]

Ye

Ancient manipulator is post cultist, folly post solar pillar

Burning sky, as much of a meme as it is, is always as option as well

[small timber]

@ashen warren ok while not exactly what you intended with your suggestion, but to achieve what you want you have to do several more steps:

1. blossom pickaxe, you have to use blossom pickaxe to mine auric bar = must do providence, and do providence = forced moon lord
2. exo mechs' auric cooling cell (and the one before that) will forced providence and DoG anyway since uelibloom bar is required and also endothermic energy

so you basically can only do scal and thats it, if the suggestion is implemented (by any chance)

[proud quest]

i got an idea to add vanilla relics if it wasnt thought of already

or if it hasnt been debunked

im thinking you can copy and paste the sprites for the vanilla relics and paste it with the code used for the calamity relics

if thats possible

[hot zephyr]

no

[proud quest]

its not possible?

[small timber]

is making rev drop a completely identical item that is added by calamity also not possible?

[fossil finch]

no

[small timber]

sorry I mean just completely identical in looks

[fossil finch]

It's just not something they want to do

[small timber]

ok, ya that probably makes more sense

otherwise it will be really weird for relics to have like, a code to detect identical sprite or something weird

[proud quest]

elaborate

i dont understand

[proud quest]

im guessing its just something for tmodloader to fix themselves

they should

[fossil finch]

It's not a code issue its stupidly easy to do and calamity already does it with things that aren't items

[proud quest]

ik

[proud quest]

what things

[fossil finch]

Irrelevant

[proud quest]

ok

[proud quest]

tmodloader is going to fix it though arent they?

[small timber]

oh right they added that recently, but ya fighting exo will still be a problem

but since the suggestion is scal only so I dont think it matters

ya, since the codebreakers parts are also for locking arsenal weapons

[hollow shell]

Reasoning is pretty weaksauce

You should probably draw comparisons to Exotic Pheromones and Jungle Dragon Egg

to support it, by way of precedent

There are probably a lot of people who don't know that they are technically fightable preML

So it'd be good to inform them as part of your reasoning

ok

[normal isle]

Rework the profaned guardians again. This boss is a genuine bash my head into the wall boss. Maybe add some telegraphed attacks, such as Thanatos's indicators right before shooting his projectiles. I am not joking, I have more difficulty with PG than any boss in calamity.

[drowsy plank]

dont forget Cosmic Worm's alt recipe too

lmao prof guardians really isnt that bad it's just a circle simulator, the only annoying thing is when the other two block you from hitting the active guardian

it's just an obnoxiously long fight, but someone already sugg'd making the other guardians not take attacks instead of... whatever the hell they do now

[normal isle]

I genuinely can't get past p3 on no difficulty so i dont know what to say

i find supreme cal and yharon 10x easier lmao

[drowsy plank]

i think it's just cause new guardians are... well... new, yknow? so you haven't learned their patterns yet
i will admit the way the spears behave sometimes can be a bit bullshit, sniping you off screen, but overall, it isn't the worst fight id say

[drowsy plank]

all i did was outrun it, what's your build? maybe you should try some move speed accessories like soaring insignia

[normal isle]

I'm going all Warding, just following the mage build on class setup for post moon.

[drowsy plank]

that tells me nothing, do you know how many items are on class setup? also i feel like quick might help you more than warding
at lot easier to avoid getting hit in the first place, but that's up to you

[orchid cairn]

do you have the seraph tracers

[normal isle]

Yes?

[drowsy plank]

pls just screenshot ur build 🙏

[normal isle]

I don't understand how speed will help when the guardians A) catch up immediately with their dash and B) you get one shot after getting hit. Also sure thing

[drowsy plank]

you clearly underestimated the power of Speed™️

[orchid cairn]

when you said "no difficulty" i assumed you meant classic mode

not revengeance

[drowsy plank]

that's malice

[orchid cairn]

oh lmao

[normal isle]

Yea I tried them with each difficulty

[orchid cairn]

try to beat them at all before trying them on harder difficulties?

[drowsy plank]

are you in master mode or something

[normal isle]

Err yes

[drowsy plank]

oi that's your own problem m8

[normal isle]

breh

[drowsy plank]

i beat them on death expert yesterday just fine

[orchid cairn]

master mode is not balanced yet for calamity

[drowsy plank]

and never will be

lmao

[normal isle]

Well I guess its my fault for subjecting myself to this literal torture

[vapid crane]

will requesting an additional rogue weapon drop from moonlord be against the suggestion rules?

idk if it falls under a "specific item suggestion" as it's just asking for any item

[orchid cairn]

thats probably fine yeah

[small timber]

if you bash your head against profaned guardian of course it is not gonna work, try to like say analyse how you are supposed to dodge the attack

[orchid cairn]

it is kinda weird that he drops 2 mage weapons, two ranged weapons, 2 swords, (plus a yoyo for 3 melee), and 2 summon weapons, but only 1 rogue weapon

there is a weapon sold by the bandit as soon as you beat him though

[drowsy plank]

esp when rogue is already dying for weapons at this stage too
like yeah the options rogue already has are strong but that doesn't make up for a lack of variety

[small timber]

and PG is no way near one shot of damage, not even close

[drowsy plank]

perhaps on master tho

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-phtj-pNzY (shroom warning but I dont have a more suitable footage of post-nerf PG right now), so I guess you can use this
(death mode will be pretty similar to this)

unless he is playing malice but then against it is literally malice mode

[drowsy plank]

tbf proj do be doing 360 out here on master, not a oneshot but still a LOT

[small timber]

ya, you probably have to spec full warding and tank on master, since well, the mod is just not balanced around master

[orchid cairn]

as cool as the utensil poker doing a ton of damage is

id love it if rogue had a good crowd-control weapon from moon lord to contrast it

something big and flashy

[normal isle]

when i said bash my head i meant irl

[orchid cairn]

he still drops the celebration mk 1? whys calamity do that

celebration mk 1 is in party girl's inventory post-plantera i think

[small timber]

I think crowd-control weapon is kinda not the identity of rogue? to my knowledge really only mage have intentional build-in aoe

celebration mk1 (still dropping from moon lord) is vanilla addition

[crude geode]

Blast Barrel

also the Solar Eclipse Flasks

[small timber]

isnt penumbra potion only give stealth gen? I dont remember it having aoe effect

[crude geode]

sorry I meant the weapons

totality breakers

[orchid cairn]

i mean...

[crude geode]

rogue, just like any other class, gets crowd control

it's just forgotten about bc cal moment

[small timber]

I mean, some exception will always be made, just ya, most rogue weapon are not intentionally for AOE

(wait I word that weirdly)

[crude geode]

the entire spiky ball lines are crowd control?

[small timber]

ok, the proper word will probably be like most weapons are not specifically designed for crowd control, the only class that comes in mind that have a lot of weapon for crowd control is really just mage

[crude geode]

yes but crowd control still like. exists for other classes.

[orchid cairn]

i just think moon lord dropping a really flashy rogue weapon would be cool

the utensil poker is visually really boring

[small timber]

I mean, luminite weapon kinda counts as moon lord drops

(kinda)

[orchid cairn]

which is stark contrast to the other moon lord drops

[small timber]

but ya, utensil poker is indeed, very boring

(tbh except for utensil poker all of them are vanilla additions, and they are fancy since ML is the final boss)

[crude geode]

depends on what you're referring to byes a flashy weapon to contrast would be neat, go ahead and sugg for a second ml weapon for rogue to match the other classes' two weapons (+melee )

[small timber]

ya, looking at it all class except rogue have 2 (or more) direct moon lord drops

[orchid cairn]

someone else was gonna make the suggestion i think i was just talking about it

[crude geode]

right, mafio can make a sugg regarding adding an additional rogue drop

[small timber]

the reasoning can be a bit lackluster I think, since it pretty much is just "give fancy drops" (which can apply to too much situation); and calamity have a lot of "Moon Lord weapons" in the form of luminite bar crafts

[orchid cairn]

luminite bar craft

singular

[small timber]

wait rogue only has 1 luminite bar weapon?

[orchid cairn]

lunar kunai

its consumable too

[small timber]

I am pretty sure there are more, let me check

[orchid cairn]

theres the elemental disc

but it requires more than just luminite, it has a crafting tree

of other weapons

its also worth noting that. other classes have multiple "elemental" weapons

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Galactica_Singularity

several melee weapons, several magic weapons, several ranged weapons, two summon weapons... one rogue weapon

rogue gets elemental disc, lunar kunai, and utensil poker for beating ML

thats it

[crude geode]

several magic weapons
you sure about that

it gets 2, augur and ray

[orchid cairn]

elemental ray, augur of the elements, and ultra liquidator

3

[crude geode]

ultra. isn't an ele weapon which is what I was referring to lol

it lacks the distinctive rainbow theming of the actual weapon itself, and ray already takes up the staff position

[orchid cairn]

fair enough i guess i was just referring to all the weapons on this page that are immediately post-ML

point is every class has a lot of variety of choices after ML but rogue has like

4 tops

[crude geode]

it indeed is wack

[small timber]

ok it is literally lunar kunai, celestial reaper, utensil poker, elemental disk only, I cant find more

[orchid cairn]

literally in the middle of a rogue playthru atm

so yea

[small timber]

I never notice how lacking (right after ML) rogue weapon choice are since lunar kunai and elemental disk are busted, so I just assumed I was using BIS only

[orchid cairn]

i hate consumable rogue weapons

consumable means i can run out!!! grrr!!!

[drowsy plank]

tbf there is

SO much luminite post ML it's unreal

i got a stack of luminite bullets AND arrows just from mining the planetoids

and i still have about 400 more bars

[orchid cairn]

i mean yeah

but its CONSUMABLE

GRRRR

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

once u have 9999 i dont think u need to worry too much

[orchid cairn]

but what if i use all 9999

[crude geode]

so true

[drowsy plank]

cry about it

[orchid cairn]

[crude geode]

make potions non-consumable

[drowsy plank]

make food non-consumable

terrarian dies of starvation

[crude geode]

don't starve seed moment

[vapid crane]

what should I bring up in the suggestion

[orchid cairn]

lack of rogue weapons after beating ML

how every other class gets 2 weapons dropped from ML

(melee gets 3)

should be reason enough

also less objectively, the utensil poker is a good boss killer because it does a lot of damage but its BORING

[normal isle]

I just defeated night time death providence in 3 tries. Still can't beat profaned what the actual hell is wrong with me

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[normal isle]

im gonna go mentally bonkers soon

[drowsy plank]

did you just spawn the summon in or something?

[normal isle]

yea I just fuck it im butcher tooling the guardians XD

[drowsy plank]

tbf night provi is a much better designed fight

why

you dont even need to kill them now with provi dead lmao

[normal isle]

I just needed personal validation that I indeed find profaned guardians as pieces of shit

[hollow shell]

(probably a wiki error)

[drowsy plank]

actually no, im like 90% sure i had one drop from him just a day or two ago in my ranged run
it dropped at the same time as Celebration mk2 which is why i noticed it so blatantly, it was really funny

no idea why tho

[distant gyro]

[hollow shell]

Wack

[drowsy plank]

so weird that he drops what is effectively a post-Plant weapon lmao

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Terraspark Boots Grant Immunity To On-Fire Debuff (Just Like Its Ingredients Does)]

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[Make Rusty Medallion usable (or just give Ranger actual accessories)]

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[add recipe for zapinators]

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[Make the Calamitas/Supreme Calamitas bullet hell bullets more visible during boss rush.]

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[Make the laboratory furniture functional for NPC housing.]

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[Boss summon item for Skeletron]

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[Flasks for Plague, Astral Infection, Holy Flames, and Nightwither]

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@cloud sentinel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make trophies 100% drop rate in Master Mode.]

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[Buff the Arcane modifier to scale with progression]

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[drowsy plank]

oof

that one hurts

seemed like such a good idea

most of the others ive agreed with so far tho

[crude geode]

you can always ask @hollow shell for the reasoning (behind rejecting arcane scaling)

which I'm interested in

[grave zinc]

@dreamy burrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Soul of Cryogen quieter]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[small timber]

I think they wanted to rework arcane, just not by scaling with progression?

[distant gyro]

there are other ideas in mind for arcane that does not involve it randomly scaling

[crude geode]

isn't there a different reaction for that though?

[distant gyro]

besides, scaling arcane is still gonna be nigh useless because of mana cap

[small timber]

ya, the lock one

[grave zinc]

@subtle sapphire - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Put some lore in boss summons, trophies and relics]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
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[drowsy plank]

"🔒--> The suggestion has been delivered and reviewed by the devs, and is neither approved nor denied. Separate plans that clash have already been made, or a modified version of a suggestion is to be implemented instead."

yeah

[crude geode]

seems a bit odd for that reaction to not at least be used alongside rejection

[orchid cairn]

arcane being useful in general is all i want, so if theres a different plan that doesnt scale thats fine by me even if the specific suggestion i made isnt accepted

[crude geode]

okay we need to add "shadow/invis" to frequently sugg

this is getting fucking ridiculous

@honest tulip there's already a exact sugg about this in voting

#suggestions-voting message

[honest tulip]

sorry, didnt think to even check as honestly only ever even seen me talking about it as a problem

@crude geode

[hollow shell]

@crystal torrent You're not allowed to suggest references just for the sake of being a reference

[crystal torrent]

aight

[sand ermine]

@green copper wrong format

also, no reasoning

[cobalt rose]

thats like the 17th time thats been suggested

[unreal star]

then maybe they should add it

[ruby plover]

not really how that works

[proud plinth]

YIPEE

[eternal escarp]

im pretty sure you can get opposite evil grass seeds and clentaminator solutions later on

just like, normally

[cobalt pewter]

when will evil island be gone

it's an old artefact of Calamity's crungoness

[inner anvil]

We don't have any plans removing it, we think it's fine.

Unless there was a sudden change of mind.

[small timber]

it still have a function, the current opposite evil acquire method (dryad blood moon) requires hardmode
(and also no opposite biome chest of course)

[swift wharf]

@cerulean kestrel that is gonna be fixed already iirc

[fossil mural]

Can't you also get opposite evil from graveyard

[unborn oriole]

Recipe bloat

[frail mantle]

no

[neat linden]

[hot zephyr]

not happening

[neat linden]

devs already said no multiple times

and besides the suggestion has absolutely no reasoning

[frail mantle]

the onion does nothing in master because the game is limited to a 7 accessory slot limit that is too much of a headache to circumvent both balance and code wise

any other effect given to the onion in master is dev time the mode does not deserve or need

[hot zephyr]

it would be entirely possible to add in the other slot
but we won't

[neat linden]

would it be technically possible to make it not drop in mm

[frail mantle]

probably

[neat linden]

that would be the best solution probably

[unborn oriole]

Just make the onion grant well fed for a while in master at the cost of your breath smell

[frail mantle]

that would be kinda funny but no

[cerulean kestrel]

or just

give it another use in master

:D

maybe

just

maybe

permanent health upgrade

upgrades ur health by 10

and makes ur hearts black with rainbow stripes

like the onion

its just for cool looking hearts

:D

or lets do 25 hp

u would take the onion

and combine it with moon lord relic

since its master only

that makes the item master only

:D

[frail mantle]

cool it with the fragmenting

also keep offtopic gifs out of the channel

[cerulean kestrel]

sorry i got used to talking like this years ago

[frail mantle]

the point is that we don't want to have to balance things around master mode

the most we want to touch it at all is making master exclusive items not master exclusive and maybe making enemy health less stupid

[cerulean kestrel]

then lets make it simpler

make the onion have a purpose :D

anything

just make it do something

[frail mantle]

its purpose is to give you an accessory slot that master already inherently gives you for free

[cerulean kestrel]

in master mode

its useless

so why not make it do something

[frail mantle]

yes and it will stay that way

[inner anvil]

We don't want to touch Master.

[cerulean kestrel]

oh and 1 more question

will the colored hearts from the permanent health upgrades be made for the 1.4 hearts too?

[inner anvil]

Yes, they're already sprited.

[cerulean kestrel]

oh

k

[drowsy plank]

when we adding master onion suggs to the don'ts?

[cerulean kestrel]

what

[drowsy plank]

i know it wont actually deter people from suggesting it cause no one reads the fuckin rules but

[drowsy plank]

your exact suggestion has already been posted like 4 times, and the one time it got to the devs it was already rejected

but people are gonna keep posting it even when we already got an answer

[frail mantle]

@waxen gull you're gonna need to add a reason to your suggestion (separated from the suggestion title with a linebreak (shift+enter))

[hot zephyr]

it would also be beneficial to target specific recipes, instead of vagueposting

[gray nebula]

yea

the cores / of calamity & bars of life are goofy goobers

[small timber]

there is an ultimate solution to the problem of onion not doing anything in master:
remove the 1 slot master give at the start, that way celestial onion still give the 7th slot and therefore have a purpose

[drowsy plank]

one thing i find funny about the recipe simplification sugg is that they have some valid points with things like life alloy and cores (tho life alloy really isnt that bad), and arguably singularities too, like we already have exodium clusters, but then they hit like... sea prisms? and cosmolite? like huh?

[small timber]

I think it will be better for these suggestion to reduce the amount of said ingredients with complicated recipe, say 1 life alloy

rather than remove them outright

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[hot zephyr]

or get this

[gray nebula]

i mean the sugg is vague as fuck so its hard

[hot zephyr]

just multiply how much alloy you get from a craft....

[small timber]

ya

some of the items in the mod (the one listed) is not even complicated

[hot zephyr]

change literally like three recipes boom
suggestion done

[small timber]

they juts universally removed outright

[drowsy plank]

the sugg is basically just "make this mod official" but that's dumb

yeah

[hot zephyr]

real gigamind fucked up half the recipes

[drowsy plank]

more alloy per craft is a good one, but i think cores could be simplified bc they are a mess rn still, and idk why there are two items that require all the lunar fragments, while one that just adds luminite to it

[hot zephyr]

exodium cluster's recipe is a relic

[drowsy plank]

oh is that changing?

[hot zephyr]

no it's just completely solved by lunar planetoids

[drowsy plank]

ok that is also true

[hot zephyr]

galactica singularities exist to reduce the size of recipes

the luminite in exodium is mostly for gating

because galactica singularities are post cutist but exodium is post ml

if you want to suggest a new recipe (or an outright removal of the existing one) that's fine

[swift wharf]

funny how the suggestion and a comment on that mod were posted st the same time

[fossil mural]

Me when the planetoids didn't spawn on my world so I had to manually make the exodium

[frosty musk]

Tbf tho this doesn't matter literally at all because every single recipe that uses singularities also uses post ml stuff so it doesn't even matter if u make them pre ml
(Except the dye but who cares about that)

[hot zephyr]

[inner anvil]

Get Reply Ping'd.

[proven folio]

i know why

[sand ermine]

@lime warren wrong format, also no reason

[waxen gull]

Optimize Crafting Recipes

I feel like there is alot of reduncy in crafting recipes such as items needing 1 core of calamity when u can just adjust recipe to 3 of each essences. I cant name any other recipes but im sure theres alot, including but not limited to life alloys, galactica singularity, If it is okay to do it lore-wise. (only enough to not break progression)

in format.

but yeah. I havent dived into that mod author

it would be good to contact them

[inner anvil]

I don't think it's a good idea to contact them, his solution to the problem is really bad.

[proven folio]

the devs also want to add master mode vanities to bags right?

[inner anvil]

Master Mode vanities? You mean the pets?

[inner anvil]

Is it the only piece of vanity is Master Mode?

[eternal escarp]

the only one i can see being too wide spread is Cosmilite imo

Sea Prisms and Life Alloy arent too used and are quite easy to get

[inner anvil]

And that would probably be fixed with DoG biome.

[eternal escarp]

Core of Calamity are always easy to get from Ravager currently

[proven folio]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:Master_Mode_content idk probs

[inner anvil]

Okay, it's literally the only piece of vanity.

[eternal escarp]

funny!

i mean it should be moved by principal tbh

[inner anvil]

Yeah.

[eternal escarp]

wait actually

isnt there some hat from WoF now

badger something

byea

[inner anvil]

That's speedrun stuff.

[proven folio]

thats just killing eoc and wof the same day

[eternal escarp]

oh lol

[proven folio]

can be done any time

[eternal escarp]

good'do'know

[inner anvil]

Well, for answering this, they probably forgot it's existance of how little they care about Master Mode.

But, I guess they could do it if someday they feel like.

Nothing wrong with that.

[proven folio]

dont think the vanilla pets/mounts in rev+ have been fixed yet

[inner anvil]

That I have no clue.

[proven folio]

if they automate that thing any gear exclusive to master mode might as well be automated

[long ridge]

Are master/rev+ pets and mounts still being made?

[eternal escarp]

when a way to add them automatically doesnt break the game they will also drop in rev yeah

unless you mean cals pets and mounts

in which case i personally have no clue

[long ridge]

Yeah I meant for cal bosses

[small timber]

considering how little calamity care about master currently, I will really doubt

since there are already efforts putting on the master/rev mode cal bosses relic

[eternal escarp]

@full pike good suggestion honestly, but you should format the sugg correctly and add a reason

title
(shift + enter)
description and reason

[drowsy plank]

@full pike just copy this one; #suggestions-voting message

[lavish cloak]

Don’t know if this has already been suggested or not but I don’t see a reason why this shouldn’t exist

[hollow shell]

byeah @lavish cloak You don't need to keep the menu open, you can leave it to decrypt while you do other stuff

Also @lime warren That happening with lunar fragments is a feature of Boss Checklist, not vanilla or Calamity.

You could keep the suggestion around if you rephrase it as additional compatibility with that mod, but
I actually don't know if they allow you to add your own items to the map??

[hollow shell]

What is the reason

[proven folio]

@hollow shell try reacting on this message

[hollow shell]

It worked on every other message in suggposting at the time, I just couldn't do it on that one specific message

[proven folio]

well tried on me yet?

[hollow shell]

(just got on PC now)
Yeah, I actually can't react on that message

[proven folio]

because the user blocked you

[hollow shell]

PUH

[proven folio]

sips

[hollow shell]

I feel like Discord should have some method to bypass that if you're a moderator in the server, because of situations like these where we have a bot detect reactions

But I will literally never be able to deliver that request to Discord so, oh well

[proven folio]

some people block bots too because they get spammed with bot messages

so the bot cant react either

[hollow shell]

That's pretty funky

[proven folio]

if i were to block the bot i could avoid a 🗜️ i think

[inner anvil]

Thanks Discord!

[hollow shell]

At least blocking can't prevent people from deleting your messages...

[inner anvil]

So true...

[proven folio]

let me just try that

how long does it take to get a 🗜️ ?

[eternal escarp]

around a minute i think

[hollow shell]

I don't know but it shouldn't take any longer than 5 minutes

byeah it's not instant but it's somewhat fast

[eternal escarp]

god this is quite hilarious

[lavish cloak]

fr?

damn

[proven folio]

but yeah one could absolutely wreck the suggestions

[eternal escarp]

new rule: dont block bots and mods while suggesting

i can do my own test to see how long it takes

and comparr

if you want, rover

[hollow shell]

This isn't the first time we've gotten a suggestion like that, so maybe uhh
Someone should suggest some message hint telling the player they can do other stuff?

[eternal escarp]

that works too

[proven folio]

but soon i have to dig up the bot from my blocked list pain peko

actually nvm i can just pull up the bot profile

[hollow shell]

(Hopefully Nycro didn't give moderators some permission bypass for the 🗜️ )

Wait no he totally might have because of my persistent message at the top of posting

nvm Blast you do it

[eternal escarp]

alrigjt

[proven folio]

5 mins should have passed

no comprression

[eternal escarp]

it

happaned

GOD

this is super wacky.

[proven folio]

unblocked the bot

got a compression~

[eternal escarp]

i guess you can fix this by like, if the bot cant react they delete the message?

or ping the usrr automatically

[hollow shell]

Wow

[eternal escarp]

wuite the moment, though

[hollow shell]

Well so far nobody has ever thought about blocking the bot, so

[proven folio]

but not alot of people usually block the bot right?

but i do block bots like mee6

[grim tusk]

Just redact the messages or smth

[eternal escarp]

this discussion is definitely lurked by people tbf

[proven folio]

thanks but i dont wanna get hourly pings when "leveling up"

[eternal escarp]

either way

i think inability for bot to react should still havr a backup either way tbh

[proven folio]

@hollow shell which message did you want to ❗?

[swift wharf]

wait so it was a block????

[eternal escarp]

yea

[swift wharf]

💀

[eternal escarp]

discord moment!

[neat linden]

well that's quite hilarious

[eternal escarp]

i mean it makes sense but ehy cant mods bypass it 💀

[neat linden]

correct

[eternal escarp]

case in point

[neat linden]

i lurked here for like 3 minutes

[swift wharf]

so I was correct

[inner anvil]

On my way to block all the mods and the bot so my suggestion lives longer and more people can support it.

[neat linden]

mods on their way to delete the suggestion altogether

[proven folio]

can someone react to this message?

[violet dagger]

ive seen in other discord servers where there are suggestion systems with up and down votes(namely celestecord) where it takes time for the bot to react with the down after putting the up

[neat linden]

well i can only react after someone added a react

[violet dagger]

it's against the rules but you can block the bot during that time

[proven folio]

let me block you @neat linden

[neat linden]

only specific people have reaction perms in general channels

[proven folio]

react to this message navis

[swift wharf]

you can't react to already reacted stuff either

[eternal escarp]

cool dudes+

block me, i reacted

[neat linden]

damn

i can't react eh

[inner anvil]

He can't, he's not a Cool Dude.

[neat linden]

i can click this

and "add" a react

except it won't add if i'm blocked by them

[eternal escarp]

quite the moment.

[proven folio]

welp ig blocked people cant react to existing reactions

[inner anvil]

Such an "XD" moment.

[neat linden]

you learn something new every day

[proven folio]

was pretty sure they could

[inner anvil]

You learn that Discord is a shit platform in some way every day.*

[neat linden]

Quite true

[hollow shell]

It's already gone now

[eternal escarp]

byeah i assume a failsafe like this is

prolly possible

[proven folio]

oh right i cant react neither can navis

[swift wharf]

I learned this from ppl complaining about not being able to react to fabsol's messages

[proven folio]

uh i need another experiment

[eternal escarp]

[inner anvil]

Well, that's because people without Cool Dude can't react, straight up.

[neat linden]

there's like 1 channel where everyone can react

[swift wharf]

no like

they can't even react to already reacted msgs

[eternal escarp]

add an existing reaction

yea

[inner anvil]

LMAO.

[proven folio]

someone react?

only 1

[neat linden]

or in specific cases two channels

[proven folio]

blast react on that now

[eternal escarp]

LOL

reaction blocked message popped on phone

[proven folio]

oh

[eternal escarp]

absolute comedy.

yeah so you simply

cant react if the user blocks you

either new or existing

[proven folio]

its old

[eternal escarp]

yea

[swift wharf]

suggestion so good the bot can't say it's bad

[proven folio]

guess getting someone else to react so a blocked mod can react doesnt work

😔

idk feel that it might have worked once

[grim tusk]

Only with a certain role

[eternal escarp]

no wiki discussion allows all people to react iirc

[proven folio]

wonder what rover wanted to react on

[hollow shell]

It was a suggestion for a meme channel

Not only is that disallowed in the Don'ts, but you're not even supposed to make server suggestions in these channels anymore

[desert whale]

I came up with a glorious suggestion, make the hollow enemies fight the corruption/crimson enemies. It makes sense, and would be very immersive.

[hollow shell]

I guess you could suggest that
but uh, there are not many situations where you would have both on screen at the same time
And it might be quite difficult to overwrite the AI of vanilla enemies to try and target something that isn't a player

[swift wharf]

aren't resprite suggestions a don't

[hollow shell]

They aaare

[swift wharf]

and this one is just

[hollow shell]

But they're also not wrong
and it's a sprite that already exiiists

[swift wharf]

just sprite faster

[vocal gust]

my bad

[swift wharf]

I don't think anyone is working on the resprite rn

[vocal gust]

its just I feel like he deserves a better sprite

[hollow shell]

The Yharon resprite has existed since almost exactly 3 years ago
It was worked on for a little over a year after that then... never touched again as Nitro left the active dev team

[frail mantle]

isn't one of the big things the sprite is missing the animations

which is also, like, probably what will take the most time

[vocal gust]

yeah I know we must be patient

[swift wharf]

I don't think we're gonna see the complete resprite anytime soon

[hollow shell]

Here were the final state(s) of the resprites

I don't think they had WIP wing animations yet

But here is an even older Yharon resprite attempt by the same artist that did have WIP wing animations

[vocal gust]

I never saw the second one

magnificent

[frail mantle]

i think the top one is where the resprite was at in, like, january

[hollow shell]

June of 2021 actually

[frail mantle]

at which point i'm not sure if she had been working on it at all for a few months

yeah

[swift wharf]

damn

[hollow shell]

Actually, no, August of 2020
I simply had that version saved in 2021

So yeah hasn't been touched in almost exactly 2 years

[vocal gust]

there's so much potential in this resprite it's a shame

[frail mantle]

i mean it's not like it's scrapped

there's just a larger focus on other things

[hollow shell]

It is simply...
on indefinite hiatus and we have no idea who will pick up the project . _.

[vocal gust]

yeah sunken sea and brimstone

They need some Determination🌈

[frail mantle]

my guess is the biome overhauls/completely new biomes will probably release along with their respective bosses' resprites

brimmy with the crags, DoG with his subworld and Yharon with his biome

[hollow shell]

Guh but then Yharon's resprite will be in like, 2025

[frail mantle]

yeah that's the thing

[vocal gust]

OOF

[hollow shell]

After the update releases I'll bring it up in dev

The update in a few days, that is.

[vocal gust]

I can't understand everything in English what do you mean by bring it up in dev ?

[frail mantle]

talk about it in the dev server

[hollow shell]

Oh uhh
yeah

The developers have a dedicated Discord server for working on projects
I often just shorten "dev server" to "dev"

[vocal gust]

that's kind thank you

[gray nebula]

thats a lie i think every spriter knows

Only the 0.01% would be fit for such a task

[vocal gust]

🤔

[fossil finch]

john snail rushing to the calamity dev hq to tell devs to not animate yharon by spriting

[gray nebula]

id kill john snail if he asid that

of all the things to not animate by spriting , yharon is not very high up

code animating his wings would look dogshit

maybe his limbs but its simple enough it s not too bad

[fossil finch]

i don't remember exactly what they said but it was going that way

i am wilding and misremembering a quote from someone else

cryin

[fossil finch]

i am NOT wilding my memory is inmaculate
anyways no its not by not spriting its by doing it modularly

i don't know what that means

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Reminder if you wanna edit your suggestion, don't got much time left

Alright

[drowsy plank]

i could rephrase it if you really wanted but i think someone else pointed out that you need post moon lord materials for most of these crafts anyway sooooo

[hollow shell]

Not for those two specific things

Well

Ok except for Blossom Pickaxe

Unless the sugg also then asks to reduce Auric Ore's pick req to Luminite

[drowsy plank]

the argument was you could fish for it

[hollow shell]

Right right that's true

byeah otherwise Altar's recipe is just

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren like if u like the idea i can make a sugg for u with all the reasons why, but id need to know you'd actually edit the message lol

[fossil finch]

i hate non linearity

[drowsy plank]

lmao

aight

[hollow shell]

This particular half-joke instance of non-linearity where Yharon is pre-ML is uh
I think it is best as being basically a joke

[gray nebula]

𝓡𝓲𝓹 𝓫𝓸𝔃𝓸 #𝓹𝓪𝓬𝓴𝔀𝓪𝓽𝓬𝓱 #𝓘𝓽 𝔀𝓸𝓾𝓵𝓭𝓷'𝓽 𝓵𝓸𝓸𝓴 𝓫𝓮𝓽𝓽𝓮𝓻 #𝓷𝓸𝓽 𝓵𝓮𝓪𝓭 𝓪𝓻𝓽𝓲𝓼

[narrow otter]

I’m happy my suggestion made it I think :)

[tulip parcel]

Add a few luck boosting accessories

Does that seem reasonable?

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Old_Die

[grave zinc]

@dreamy burrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Soul of Cryogen quieter]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

(we made it only play sound on impact with enemies)

[orchid cairn]

aw man

i loved that sound

rip to a real one

[frosty trellis]

That's great even though I never use the soul of cryogen bc fairy wings give me better flight speed

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Terraspark Boots Grant Immunity To On-Fire Debuff (Just Like Its Ingredients Does)]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[inner anvil]

@orchid cairn Terraprisma is much stronger than other weapons because we didn't nerf it yet.

[orchid cairn]

i know i mentioned as much

i just think itd be more fun to let it stay the same strength and move it forward

[inner anvil]

Eh.

[worthy lintel]

Nohit requirement was deleted because gatekeeping items this way is kinda bruh