and no one noticed
#suggestions-voting
lucid drum
coral nimbus
so the ones she summons in the ccal and scal fights are just shades or whatnot
lucid drum
coral nimbus
If we do make standalone brother boss fights, I honestly don't mind spriting the whole thing for both of them
This includes projectiles, boss animations, drops, and also brainstorming attacks and item details
actual balancing will be up to devs
elfin mango
yes i did say that and no one noticed it was indeed quite sad @lucid drum
tidal mountain
its gonna be bad but if i did ill show it
These drops where the ideas I had in my mind with Yharim's Army invasion:
Auric Alloy: Alloy from the Auric soldiers armor
Jungle Tokens: Currency that drops from Auric soldiers (You can buy things with it from the Auric Merchant, he spawns after the army has been defeated.)
Auric Soldiers (Lore): Draedon had a blueprint for the Auric armors and weapons, however he destroyed the blueprints, so no one could steal it to become as powerful as them. But Yharim had a copy of the blueprints, so when Draedon dies he can continue making armor for his army of hunger for war.
Auric Shotbow: The shotbow will shoot out auric arrows, stealing the targets defense and damage reduction, and give it to you, Drop from Auric Crossbowers.
Auric Emblem: Boost damage and damage reduction by 15%. Youre immune to every debuff in the game expect Auric Connection. Decreases your flight time by 10%. Drop from Auric Commanders.
Debuffs:
Auric Aura: Inflicted by Auric Commanders. When youre near a Commander they will steal your damage reduction and defense by 15%.
Enemies:
Auric Knight: They will try to ram you at hight speed, dealing high contact damage.
Auric Sorcerers: They summon Auric portals that shoot high velocity lasers, the portal cannot be killed and stays for 10 seconds.
Auric Rogues: Always in stealth, waiting for his right moment when you get close to them and trying to stab you (similar to the psycho from solar eclipse).
Auric Crossbowers: Firing with their bow always when they see you, their arrow inflicts the Holy Fire debuff, losing health very quickly.
Bumblebirb: They will only ram the player if the Birb Rider is alive, they don't spawn birbs.
Birb Rider: They are controlling Bumblebirbs as long as they are alive, they shoot out javelin like projectiles, only if youre too far away from them.
Auric Commander: The leaders of the army, They shoot you with their sniper rifles and inflict the Auric Aura debuff.
Progression and other stuff:
200 mobs need to be killed to end the invasion.
The summon is non consumable
The army will wait at your spawn point, like any other invasion
Killing the rider of the bumblebird will enrage them, dealing higher contact damage and faster ramming speed.
Using a Zerg potion is not a good idea.
The elemental accesories insta kill would only work on them after you kill Yharim.
You can also write your suggestions about this if you want this to be a thing (even tho i highly doubt they will add it)
tawdry condor
Wall of text has awoken 
tidal mountain
woeful quest
lucid drum
p sure fab also hates coding events 
tidal mountain
its probably difficult
cosmic zenith
atleast it's nice and fleshed out unlike most suggestions
viscid forge
Tarragon Apple
Heals 250 HP
Increases life regeneration
Increases Max Life
Gives nature’s blessing buff
Crafting: Ancient Manipulator
X1 Super Healing Potion
X4 Uelibloom Bars
X1 Life-force Potion
X1 Regeneration Potion
X20 Purification Powder
viral crypt
x d
viscid forge
?
woeful quest
viscid forge
But do you think it’s a good idea
gleaming dove
yas
viral crypt
no
gleaming dove
u
open latch
Good or bad, the idea won't be accepted if it doesn't follow the rules
gleaming dove
oof
ionic harness
O keeping note
lucid drum
So, lets say I want core phase of SG buffed, so the actual "Slime God" doesn't crumple in seconds to a non-adrenaline/rage boosted weapon.
viral crypt
^
yes
tropic hinge
Ebonian core should rotate around the player and shoot projectiles while the crimulan core tries ramming you at high speeds
tawdry condor
Uh, why would the core of a god split in half? Its one semi-sentient creature and if it were to split, it would diminish its overall power drastically.
lucid drum
Actually the more typical form of a god is an idea or concept that can split infinitely, yet still has influence over the physical world.
But in this case, it's a god that's apparently weaker than a block of ice.
So your reasoning stands.
tawdry condor
Im agreed with for once on this server lol
ionic harness
Woot
viscid forge
Astral Crystals
If broken with a hammer or bombs, you will get an item that will possibly be in the astral infection update, works like shadow orbs.
viscid forge
Through code
tawdry condor
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
knotty sierra
Wouldn't it be just the same as the crystal shards code?
tawdry condor
He said they would function as Shadow Orbs/Crimson Hearts
twin nacelle
I have this, it could drop
tawdry condor
Concept good, execution, not so much
twin nacelle
Execution- huh?
tawdry condor
How it was done
twin nacelle
Craep
tawdry condor
tis all good
twin nacelle
Ish?
tawdry condor
Only the meteor. The rest of the biome is expected at the earliest, the next upcoming update. At most, the update afterwards
twin nacelle
When it comes out, I'll start making astral stuff
lucid drum
hecc you're a bit late
tawdry condor
You should start now, so you will have a higher chance
twin nacelle
Ok
Oh yea, estimated time calamity update goes to tmod?
I'm stalling to do mediafire
tawdry condor
Probably this week or next week
tropic hinge
How come you cant just update manually
twin nacelle
I don't feel
tawdry condor
Its better than waiting however long it takes to upload a mod to the browser
odd ore
more abundant sources of phantoplasm so I don't have to escort a massive screaming ghost in circles while it tries to kill me
please. it is very difficult to snipe a ghost with a huge fookin mage-hammer
odd ore
main source of phantoplasm is Phantoghast and their summons, I don't wanna kill the small summons while trying to not kill the big ghost
odd smelt
The boss I guess
lucid drum
Also, just zerg in dungeon.
odd ore
oh
odd smelt
That might help
odd smelt
Enthusiplasm
charred geyser
Make the tarragon summoner aura visible like the lightning aura sentry
- a probe on top like the sentry
night palm
So I sketched an interesting layout for an abyss layer 5 that goes into hell
The sword in the center is the murasama, it would be handled like a guaranteed enchanted sword
quick forge
Yeah, worldgen changes are a bit too difficult to easily do and suggest.
night palm
There would also be 4 other class versions of it that serve the same purpose
Oh
But... this is a pre-generated structure and a change to something already existing
It can’t be THAT hard
lucid drum
look at crags
night palm
The bottom part would be the same in every world
lucid drum
we all know how well that went
night palm
That went not that bad
dusk oracle
it would make it so you can easily enter the bottom layer of the abyss
night palm
And this is even more simple
night palm
Yes but you would die instantly from he pressure debuffs if you went too early
Also the bottom structure would specifically be designed to go higher than whatever the upper wall is
So it never leaks
Also it could probably override existing stuff to make it not leak
lucid drum
You probably can't rely on that for every world.
night palm
True, but what about things with a pre-generated exact layout?
Like the rooms in living wood trees
That would work, and is what I’m going for
lucid drum
even living trees get screwed over by world gen
night palm
That’s not exactly common from what I’ve seen
lucid drum
Uncommon doesn't mean impossible
I can see all sorts of problems arising from this tbh
night palm
I’m not trying to make it perfect, just as good as other structures
I can see problems being possible but uncommon, if it’s done well
After all, the crags old design wasn’t THAT bad, and certainly could have been fixed if it didn’t take up too much space
...right?
Also, did you noticed it’s shaped like the eidolon worm head?
night palm
Hm...
quick forge
It had to be simplified for that reason.
night palm
I like this idea but I understand the problem
There’s got to be some way arround it though
I was thinking of lots of other content to put in this spot
Like those coral tubes that eat hydrothermal vent stuff
They could be enemies
quick forge
The only way would be having a small structure that generates at the bottom of the abyss, rather then an entirely new section.
night palm
I was just thinking you could make toe abyss deeper, then do that
His structure wouldn’t be big, the abyss would still get more narrow
lucid drum
night palm
Like 1 screen size
Amidias could also live in the structure with The murasama
Or something
quick forge
Making the abyss bigger would already break the broken world generation.
On small worlds, it would go into hell.
night palm
I like these ideas but suggest some changes
It’s supposed to go into hell
That’s the point
Why do you think I put in an exit
The water could be replaced fast enough to outpace the evaporation
Or maybe find a way to override it
quick forge
Which would flood hell if you broke the bottom
night palm
Yes
quick forge
And you need that.
night palm
But what dumbass would be stupid enough to do that and not want to do it
quick forge
Plus, small worlds.
night palm
I was also thinking of proposing a new block for lower abyss that’s even harder to mine, maybe impossible, without the crystl crusher
Since it is in hell, I was thinking something like... Void obsidian
Like obsidian but way stronger
And you could make a generic tank style armor out of it similar to the obsidian armor
Also
Fuck small worlds
lucid drum
no bulli
night palm
Jk
Also
Maybe have the profaned crags set to generate around this place??
Like leading up to it
lucid drum
yes, even less space to fight brimmy, and more coding hell
why can't people just be happy with suggesting some hydrothermal vents
night palm
No I meant
lucid drum
Leading up to it?
night palm
The normal crags are there but guaranteed to be on the same side
lucid drum
but why
night palm
Like it’s always crags and then abyss from center
To make it harder to get in early
And to make it look cool
Since I’m attempting to connect their properties
lucid drum
Who's gonna want to get in early.
lucid drum
The noobs would be discouraged by reaper sharks anyway
and if they went through hell, with your idea, it would flood it.
night palm
We would have an excuse to make enemies that are abyss and crag themed at the same time
lucid drum
night palm
And there would be LORE potential
night palm
No you don’t get it
Where did amidias go
The abyss
We could have amidias seeking refuge among the very brimstone that destroyed his kingdom
And uh
I didn’t think it thru this far yet
tropic hinge
Why cant amidias just not exist for now
night palm
But lore
tropic hinge
Lore gay
lucid drum
then flesh it out and ping val
rigid scarab
Buff the victide summoner set, it's actually worse than wulfrum. Give the helmet an extra minion and give the urchin set bonus a far longer range, more accurate shots, and higher rate of fire.
lucid drum
or please nerf tomb crawlers haha thank you
lucid drum
But is that really practical
woeful quest
It still deserves another minion
analog narwhal
yeah
ivory tree
Astrum Nimbus
"Preliminary" Stats:
150 Magic Damage
Fast Speed
Uses 20 Mana
Fires a barrage of 4 homing light bolts and a "Cat's Eye" bolt
Cat's Eye bolts will burst into a Cat's Eye Nebula on enemy hit, sticking to them and rapidly firing out homing light bolts in every direction
Crafted From: Stardust Staff, 20 Astral Bars, and 15 Cosmilite Bars
little yoke
is it not allowed or are we terrible at balancing sruff
woeful quest
"- Do not add stats to your suggestions, they are decided by Fabsol. If needed, suggest what period of the game the item or enemy is found."
orchid haven
multiple astral helms when
tawdry condor
plague staff
summon weapon
summons mini plaguebringers
that inflict the plague
little yoke
you should turn draedon's forge into a weapon 
ivory tree
that's why I put "Preliminary" goddamit
I know about the stats thing but I want then to have a little more than the effects to work off of
little yoke
so the range in which you wish for it to be?
tawdry condor
Ravagers rage
summons a miniature turret ravager that shoots blood
dropped by Ravager
little yoke
SCal summoner weapon
summons a mini SCal to help you fight
tawdry condor
Did you mean: Entropy's Vigil
little yoke
?
marble lodge
There's an ultimate combination of Bows and of Flamethrowers
why not one for guns tbh?
marble lodge
well ya
of every single weapon + yharim souls, cosmilite, auric ore
all that crap
it'd be neat to see what kind of mega-gun could be made as an endgame rewards
little yoke
okay.... how about this
a summon weapon that summons a full sized calamatis to fight for you
lofty harness
How about a Calamatis mount, then?
lofty harness
That would also be nice.
placid escarp
You can toggle it on and off though
humble barn
@woeful quest Em, it's actually fine to add stats, you won't get warned or muted for it, the reason they put that is because you're basically wasting your time adding stats since fab decides, you can feel free to add stats, just pointless.
I believe
charred geyser
@marble lodge They’re called exo-weapons, I think the gun one’s in the making atm
odd smelt
Can't wait for another massive puzzle piece for the Soul of the Universe, thanks Fargo
tawdry condor
Suggestion: More flails!
Placement suggestions: *I feel like there are too little flails in prehardmode. I think the weapon type needs a little more love since the expansion of flails in this mod is pretty slim. I think one flail that can be made from wood/the basic ores could make the mod more complete for those who like that type of weapon (such as myself).
There is basically no flails in hardmode whatsoever besides the shitty Dao of Pow, which is a early hardmode flail. If there was a few flails made out of maybe the three modded ores, cryonic, perennial, and chaotic, that could also provide room for another elemental weapon, an 'elemental flail.' The flail could be a flail that shoots orbs that home, similar to the Terrarian (obviously it wouldn't be as powerful but they're still on the same tier) made from Luminite Bars and some others high-end materials, such as Cores of Calamity and Bars of life. If this happened, the flails could also expand possibly post-moonlord.
If it were to expand post-moonlord, one could consider doing a flail run, which just sounds awesome. This mod already expands on classes that don't get much love during vanilla (such as throwing) and actually makes them viable through the whole game. Flails are generally melee, but they are a different type of melee. I think four or five more flails post-moonlord and one could consider doing a flail run.
If there were flails spotted about post-moonlord, here would be where I would place them:
I would make one a drop from Providence.
I would make one made from Cosmilite bars (Post-DoG)
I would make one with Darksun Fragments (Post-Phase One Yharon)
I would make one with post-yharonmaterials, such as Auric Ore.
Now obviously you'd have to take into account the balancing aspect around these flails, but I just thought that it would be cool to expand on this type of melee weapon. It has a lot of potential but the Vanilla game doesn't expand on it too much past Pre-HM and not a lot of mods even recognize this type of weapon. Putting some flails in the mod would add some more challenge to some bosses (for the people who decide to use them) and it would overall make for a more complete mod experience.
Thanks for reading!
dire pagoda
wall
tawdry condor
lol sorry
dire pagoda
that's alot
tawdry condor
i had a really good idea
dire pagoda
eh
tawny peak
I would post it in a pastebin and link it to here instead.
tawny peak
This will cheer you up, though: In the next patch, there'll be a post-Plantera flail added.
tawdry condor
yes
dire pagoda
Slimy Pack:
Increases critical chance and critical damage by 3%, and damage by 7%
(terrible name lol)
tawdry condor
but seriously no mod i've seen gives more than two or three flails
tawny peak
Pastebin's basically a free website you can use to dump a whole lot of text in.
Just copypaste your ideas in there, then post the link in here.
tawdry condor
the last mod i saw with an endgame flail was Exxo Avalon
dire pagoda
oof
tawny peak
Thorium has an endgame flail
odd smelt
How about more Calamity yoyos? I'd like to see some new yoyos since there's so few as well
tawdry condor
there is yoyo expansion in the mod
dire pagoda
agreed
dire pagoda
how about throwing weapons?
tawdry condor
there's a lot more of that
tawny peak
Calamity definitely has way too many swords, and not enough other melee weapons
tawdry condor
yeah
dire pagoda
flails
tawdry condor
i mean the swords are really unique
dire pagoda
add flails
tawdry condor
yes
dire pagoda
swords are way too much
tawny peak
Exo flail when
dire pagoda
i would love an upgrade to the elemetal lance
tawdry condor
i would love for elemental lance to be good again
odd smelt
What would the exo flail when do?
tawdry condor
oh ok then
lmao
ig maybe one with auric ore instead
i dont think fabsol knows that flails exist lol
tawdry condor
cuz none of them are good
we need actual good flails to make the mod more diverse from just swinging a sword
dire pagoda
very few and too weak
dire pagoda
fml
odd smelt
Kek
tawdry condor
i need a sprite sheet for a flail and someone to do them
odd smelt
What if there was a yoyo that had like 6-8 yoyos coming off the original one, like a yoyo flower?
I wonder if that would even be possible
odd smelt
HAHAHAHA
tawdry condor
think about it lol
odd smelt
Oh my God
tawdry condor
ima just start suggesting ideas for the cryonic, perennial, and chaotic flails
odd smelt
What about a yoyo that creates a moving spiral of fire around it? That'd be cool
tawdry condor
Cryonic tier flail: Crystal Chaos
A projectile based weapon, where the projectiles do less then the flail itself (because thats how physics work fml)
The flail would swing, and upon impact with an enemy, it would release a platoon of stars (similar to the Shimmerspark's unique effect)
These projectiles would do 4/5 of the flail's damage, but it would summon 4-5 of them on impact. These stars are homing.
Crafting: At a Mythril Anvil, you will need the following ingredients.
A Sunfury
12 Cryonic Bars
5 Fallen Stars
placid escarp
Astral bars are post-astrum, which are post plantera, lmfao
tropic hinge
They dont have to be post plantera if you do astrum first
tawdry condor
there we go thats better
odd smelt
A Sunfury? For an ice flail?
tawdry condor
*crystal
tawdry condor
the cryonic-tier weapons are techically crystal weapons
tawdry condor
lol sorry
Perennial tier flail: Venus Flailtrap (im sorry i cant think of other names lol)
A projectile based weapon.
The flail would swing, and would send spore gas in different directions while it is swinging.
These projectiles would inflict the 'poison' debuff on the enemy for five seconds.
Crafting: At a Mythril Anvil, you will need the following ingredients.
13 Perennial Bars
lemme think of something else to craft with
odd smelt
Why make the three life metals take different resources? I would say to just make them x amount of their respective bar and leave it at that, just like a lot of the other weapons
tawdry condor
that doesnt feel right to me
odd smelt
At least to make them consistent
tawdry condor
yeah you're right ig
ima post this all on a doc
brb
i need a name for the chaotic-tier flail..
odd smelt
The Beater
tawdry condor
that just sounds wrong
something to do with chaos
Chaos Crusher maybe ?
nah that sounds generic
odd smelt
Well I was just thinking about how chaos essence and whatnot drops in hell, and how hell is full of eternal punishments, soooo...
Why not call it something like "Sin"?
tawdry condor
the cremator
odd smelt
Oh yeah
tawdry condor
sepulcher
odd smelt
That would work well
tropic hinge
It has to be something edgy like chaoswarped slashaxe
odd smelt
^
dire pagoda
tropic hinge
Terrorflame furyflail
tawdry condor
that actually sounds catchy af
placid escarp
Great, i have an idea for exo spear but now that youre thinking about suggesting exo flail i kinda hesitates to now cause melee having 3 exo weapons is a bit unfair
tawdry condor
i mean
odd smelt
Tbh I want items that are based off the 7 sins now
placid escarp
Hmm that woukd be cool
tawdry condor
magic has two
placid escarp
Ranged has two
Summon and throwing has one
Melee also has one if you dont count ark of cosmos as exo weapon
odd smelt
Well it's not our fault all the other classes are so lame and not as diverse and us melee people
tawdry condor
ark isnt an exo weapon at all
odd smelt
uwu
tawdry condor
oof
odd smelt
Exo yoyo
tawdry condor
we might have two if this suggestion is good enough
odd smelt
Please
placid escarp
maybe
odd smelt
Elemental Flail
tawdry condor
i hate you
odd smelt
Cause literally all the other elemental weapons are called "Elemental ____"
rich pond
berserker's nightmare
placid escarp
My idea of exo spear is just a upgrade of elemental lance + banshee hook, though planning on making it has two different attacks (left and right click)
tawdry condor
berserker nightmare
is the fucking best
weapon from exxo avalon
thats what i thought of while doing this whole entire thing
rich pond
shame we already have magnet sphere upgrades
dire pagoda
Flail of Elements
tawdry condor
yes
odd smelt
See I'm thinking of yoyos since yoyos are fun yet seemingly underappreciated
tropic hinge
Exo spiky balls tbh
odd smelt
How about exo blocks? I want to make a nice exo house
To be honest what would be amazing is some kind of block or door made from high end materials that only allows players to go through and not NPCs
Enemy or friendly
Keeps mobs out and deathwishing shopkeepers and Guides in
tawdry condor
i am almost done, im at the doggo tier flail rn
only a darksun tier one and an auric tier one to go
odd smelt
To be honest flails have less room for creative effects than even spears and yoyos
tropic hinge
Yoyos are flails
odd smelt
I'm gonna make your head into a flail if you bad mouth yoyos one more time >:V
odd smelt
Eclipse flail?
odd smelt
Or just "Eclipse"
tawdry condor
yeah i like that
odd smelt
Also yeah why not have it drop sun bombs or something as you hold it out
I quite like that honestly
If not?
I'm turning that idea into a yoyo
tawdry condor
i used it
tawdry condor
one more flail suggestion and then im writing an editors note and posting it here
odd smelt
;P
tawdry condor
thank you lol thats a nice touch
ALSO
the elemental flail
seems like it'd be fucking broken as all hell
odd smelt
?
tawdry condor
yeahhh
its kinda overpowered lol
ill send it here in a sec
whats an auric tier flail name
marsh spire
Desolation
marsh spire
>epic flail
tawdry condor
i know theres a word that pairs somewhere in the dictionary
odd smelt
What would the auric flail do?
marsh spire
Tesla Bludgeon
tawdry condor
it has to be a name that sounds menacing AF
marsh spire
Tesla Warmace
marsh spire
:))))))
tawdry condor
i like blightbringer
odd smelt
Tesla Radiance
tawdry condor
but tesla warmace is good too
i like tesla warmace
i might use that
lets keep brainstorming tho
marsh spire
Dawnbreaker, Flail of DEATH
tawdry condor
Dawnbreaker
odd smelt
Oh my
marsh spire
yeah that fits
marsh spire
Gigamash, Crusher of Stars
odd smelt
I'm gonna brainstorm some yoyos when I get back from the doctors
odd smelt
I like yoyos but they need a little love too
tawdry condor
Auric Onslaught
ionic harness
hmmmmm
tawdry condor
plz read it all i just spent an hour and a half writing all of that lol
trim stag
Could you guys react to this message with a ⭐ ? We're testing a new bot that posts highly upvoted suggestions to a seperate channel. It needs 35 or more stars. Please don't type till it's done, so this stays in screen.
Thank you
odd smelt
We did it
tawdry condor
can we type now im scurred
trim stag
Ye
tawdry condor
yes
olive island
you're welcome, fools
ionic harness
ay
trim stag
But the bot ain't working 
ionic harness
o
tawdry condor
polar atlas
rip#
green moon
feelsbadman
humble barn
Nice
desert jay
Wua
odd smelt
Nice
humble barn
Smh I bet tighe made it
tawdry condor
oh
oak cove
All of this for nothing 
tawdry condor
yes
polar atlas
oh nice
flat hill
👌
quick heron
oh wait
green moon
light work boys
ionic harness
woot
odd smelt
oak cove
Oh, good I hope this will make suggestions better
humble barn
Oh is it metabot
desert jay
polar atlas
no its danny bot
flat hill
Tbh i think 35 is a bit much considering this chat is pretty flooded and to reach 35 you had to make an announcement lol
polar atlas
he probably enslaved a mod or smth
trim stag
Yea, hence the testing
quick heron
danny is our savior
primal crow
its late hours too, that factors into how many people are looking
tawdry condor
am i allowed to put a doc with suggestions on it in here
green moon
somebody say some comedy gold that can get 35 reactions
flat hill
But it's still nice you guys are trying to improve the whole thing
ionic harness
pin
- Only post one or two suggestions at a time. We do enjoy all the ideas, but with the amount of people in the server, it can become overwhelming. If you want to suggest a complete overhaul to a certain mechanic or item group, put it in a document and post that instead.
tawdry condor
oh
flat hill
I know, but some people do ignore the pins
dire pagoda
agreed
primal crow
that's why we 
at them
oak cove
That's why we have
dire pagoda
tawdry condor
ionic harness
o hecc i should use dat
oak cove
🔫
ionic harness
primal crow
sappie that link says I need permission
odd smelt
Rip
quick heron
updated bot
can we get 10 stars on this one?
primal crow
ye there it goes
quick heron
thanks
tawdry condor
flails need love too
dire pagoda
FLAILS
ionic harness
sentry summons
tawdry condor
so i put eight suggestions into a doc
dire pagoda
add more flails, and give them unique abilities like swords do lol
tawdry condor
idk how to react to that
dire pagoda
rigid scarab
Galaxial Endeavor
This weapon deals classless damage, though it can still be increased.
Fires 1 of 4 projectiles randomly based on the Celestial Towers; A large ball of flame that explodes into many pieces, A swarm of alien hornets that release lightning bolts, a portal that fires a large beam as well as release nenila floater eyes, or a constellation that homes in on and shred enemy defenses.
Crafted with 7 galactica singularites, 5 luminite bars, and 2 cores of calamity at an ancient manipulator.
dire pagoda
oof
odd smelt
Classless damage? That isn't a thing
tropic hinge
Yes it is
ionic harness
o
odd smelt
Wat
tropic hinge
Marked magnum/lunic eye
gray zodiac
True damage is very much a thing
rigid scarab
let me just add the star because the stupid bot wont do it
quick heron
the bot isn't supposed to do it
dire pagoda
quick heron
a suggestion that reaches 35 stars in reactions would be logged and sent to the devs
tawdry condor
thas a lot of star
quick heron
also I'm fairly certain that abuse of the star system will be punishable soon
so heads up
odd smelt
._.
tawdry condor
heckle
primal crow
oh yeah if you flood the bot with dumb shit i'll shank ye
rigid scarab
I only did the star thing just to get the ball rolling
dire pagoda
star system? never heard of that tbh
quick heron
but yeah everyone should add a star to their suggestion
rigid scarab
Unreacted to it soon after because self vote is an example of ego imo
mental wagon
E G O
quick heron
if the bot were to add a star to everything in this channel it'd be weird
odd smelt
^
rigid scarab
yeah and it'd be muted for spamming reactions
odd smelt
⭐
tawdry condor
no stop
dire pagoda
quick heron
now all of you heck off and get back on topic until the bot's officially ready
dire pagoda
oof
ionic harness
might as well repost a few suggestions
tawdry condor
mine
mental temple
redo the starter bag
oak cove
Maybe layer the suggestion system? instead of having a mass vote from global chat directly to the dev make the vote require less stars and send it to a chat with mods/trusted users who then send the best ones to the devs
ionic harness
yours
ionic harness
don't repost too much doe or it may be considered spam
tropic hinge
Is there a downvoting system
quick heron
no
rigid scarab
Might as well repost one of my suggestions...
quick heron
if it reaches 35, it's a suggestion, if it does not, it never existed
odd smelt
Now the problem is all the suggestions lost in the past and unseen by future people
tawdry condor
^
quasi tree
mister devito can you pin your message for a little while?
dire pagoda
can we just get back to the topic?
quick heron
^
mental temple
remove the snow pyramid or give it unique loot, giving a structure hardmode loot on worldgen is severely imbalanced
quick heron
do it before i get out my slap stick
tawdry condor
my body is ready
primal crow
I mean all the shrines have hardmode loot in 'em too
odd smelt
No but seriously what about past suggestions that a lot of people didn't see and got drowned away by conversations
mental temple
yes but that’s imbalanced
quasi tree
triv you're going to revamp metabee?
primal crow
they can re-send them if they want now that there's a new system, not much can be done other than hope they send them in again
odd smelt
Hmm
quick heron
the system isn't ready, danny should make an announcement when the stars are ready to be used
odd smelt
To be honest I'd rather a forum system
primal crow
all the stuff currently in shrines isn't really imbalanced. Good yes, but they're not gonna carry you or anything
odd smelt
More manageable
rigid scarab
Oh so in that case~
tropic hinge
Theyre filled with items that dont impact much of the game
mental temple
there’s a post golem accessory lmao
quick heron
and @quasi tree metabee is still a thing, but only accessible to cooldudes
primal crow
maybe cross necklace, but that's one of many, and it has a chance to not even spawn or you may never even find it
a post golem accessory that's really shitty post-golem
mental temple
because it’s rng doesn’t make it excuseable
dire pagoda
oof
tropic hinge
The items in the shrines are in prehm because they are just underpowered
rigid scarab
Also invulnerbility time is random
quasi tree
you didn't get me, what i mean is will metabee have the star system or will it be another bot?
ionic harness
wait so would it be better to repost now or when dat bot is ready?
quick heron
metabee is just an entertainment bot for cooldudes
mental temple
its intended to be gated behind a boss
quasi tree
ok
quick heron
no, when dat bot is ready
primal crow
they're really shitty at the point the game put them, they're pretty good at the point you have a pretty low chance to get them with shrines
rigid scarab
Lucky cooldudes
mental temple
that isn’t excuseable
primal crow
why not?
tropic hinge
This is annoying
rigid scarab
Hanging out in a chaotic channel and getting a bot to do their bids
mental temple
just give shrines unique loot
primal crow
maybe they will be given unique loot at some point (would be more interesting anyway smh) but the way it is now isn't a problem
tawdry condor
this isnt going anywhere
mental temple
unique loot is more interesting, gives players a better taste for the mod and stops people complaining about balance
quasi tree
the accessories in the shrines are weak in the first place so don't complain about balance tbh
primal crow
the balance complaints are kinda dumb imo, since like I said most of them aren't that good, hence why they were put in shrines in the first place. But yeah unique loot would be way more interesting
tropic hinge
Im afraid that isnt excuseable
primal crow
perish
rigid scarab
🔫
quasi tree
you're more likely to die to wall of flesh with flesh knuckles than you are with hermes boots
rigid scarab
Alright so uh
primal crow
smh hermes boots craftable with 10 silk opop
tawdry condor
^
mental temple
the cross necklace is quite possibly one of the best accessories in the game
tawdry condor
no
primal crow
cross necklace takes up an accessory slot
rigid scarab
Will the bot say a message when it activates, @quick heron ?
mental temple
lol so does every other accessory
primal crow
I never use it unless in pre-hm or if it goes into something else, it's not worth the slot
putting it in a slot in hm is a waste
quasi tree
tbh cross necklace should have a drawback, when you're in the i-frame phase, the player becomes slower and deals less damage to enemies kthxbye
tawdry condor
i dont use cross necklace until i use it to make yharims insignia i think
rigid scarab
And as i said invulnerability time is messed up in calam
tawdry condor
calamari
rigid scarab
Even with cross necklace its almost non noticable or ends too quickly
mental temple
You just don’t give pre hm players hm loot, that’s not how this game works
primal crow
now it is
tawdry condor
mental temple
it’s quite obvious really and you shouldn’t have to contemplate that
tropic hinge
You cant just have a 700 base damage item prehm even if its only for five seconds tbh
tawdry condor
this isnt vanilla terraria, so what if you get an advantage
primal crow
plus, both vanilla and calamity have been unbalanced for ages. imo, having a rare chance to find something really good for early game isn't a bad thing
tawdry condor
calamity isnt the easiest mod ever in the first place
mental temple
yes it is
primal crow
enchanted sword and arkhalis are really good early game but those are an RNG chance
quick heron
the bot should hopefully be up constantly @rigid scarab
tropic hinge
rigid scarab
I probably will be out when bot launches
mental temple
and complaining about vanilla’s balance is a petty counter argument
rigid scarab
So i gotta keep my eyes peeled
tawdry condor
vanilla's balance is fucking awful
mental temple
isn’t the point of a mod to be better than vanilla
tawdry condor
no
mental temple
yes
tawdry condor
its to add content to vanilla to make it more interesting
not to be better than it
primal crow
fab has even said you shouldn't expect the mod to be better than vanilla
mental temple
I don’t at this rate
rigid scarab
Thorium is doing the same thing, hell, even sticking to its balance specifically
mental temple
But I can honestly say Thorium is better than vanilla
primal crow
expecting a mod of a game to be better than the game itself is like asking to be disappointed
mental temple
So intentionally setting low standards, or keeping with them is a very arrogant thing to do
primal crow
i'm not setting low standards, there's a lot of dumb shit in the mod, but the issue you're complaining about doesn't bother me
mental temple
It’s a mod; it’s only as good as the creators make it
primal crow
and different people are gonna have different thoughts on how good it is
tawdry condor
^
rigid scarab
If you think shrines having sun stones and cross necklaces is complete repellence
tawdry condor
theres a problem
green remnant
expecting the mod to be better than vanilla? not really, but in many parts it already is better than vanilla 
primal crow
I have more fun playing calamity than vanilla, but it's nowhere near a better made thingy
fuckin name locked murasama what a meme
mental temple
also can someone explain why 50% of the bosses in this mod use vanilla ai
tawdry condor
calamity couldn't be its own game
tropic hinge
May i introduce you to the small rng chance of getting yharims crystal prehm
primal crow
because using vanilla ai is easier to code
they're modifying the base game, hence the name MOD
mental temple
that’s terrible design
tawdry condor
creators can't make everything completely different in every way
mental temple
do thorium or spirit use vanilla ai?
primal crow
I mean this terrible design has made some pretty damn fun bosses imo
tawdry condor
key words there
mental temple
not cloning it
tawdry condor
"in his opinion"
primal crow
doesn't mean calamity bosses aren't good in their own right. Some of them are dumb imo ye but a fair amount of them do what they need to do or, to me, are really fun
tawdry condor
also they aren't "cloning" the bosses. they aren't just giving the bosses different names and calling it a "mod"
primal crow
yharon is basically duke fishron, but the things they did change and the things they give you to fight him make the fight go way beyond what fishron was
tawdry condor
exactly
primal crow
on the flip side, hive mind is shitty brain of cthulhu
tawdry condor
hive mind is annoying tiny brain of cthulhu
mental temple
why don’t you just call it mech fishron then- because that would prove how shitty the design is
old yacht
I mean bosses have some unique aspects of their own which arent based on any sort of vanilla ai
primal crow
because it's not a robot
tawdry condor
vestal glacier
^
old yacht
e.x. scal's brimstone flame barrage
rigid scarab
#calamity-mod-talk since we are really dtraying from topic
tropic hinge
This is a heated debate about whether to change the mod or to keep it the way it is
quasi tree
why did hive mind resprite turn it into a midget?
primal crow
ehh, this stemmed from a suggestion so I think it's fine but if meta boi over here prefers moving it to clamity talk then that's fair
tawdry condor
i mean yharon wouldn't be called "mechron" for the simple reason of his bossfight using doucherons ai for the first half of the fight
and he's not metallic.
quasi tree
also let's move this to #calamity-mod-talk
primal crow
yeah mmk lets move
eternal dew
Oh let me see if this works by posting one of my previous suggestions 
Soul Guardians
Crafting recipe requires every soul (Light, Night, Flight, Might, Sight, Fright), Ectoplasm, Cores of Calamity, Bars of Life, Lumenyl and Depth cells
(If we want more souls maybe Cryogen's Soul could be used 👌)
Equipable as Accessory
6 Souls orbit the player, with the different colors of the rainbow, that shoot small projectiles of the same color towards nearby enemies:
Red inflicts Brimstone Flames
Orange inflicts On Fire!
Yellow inflicts Ichor
Green inflicts Poison
Blue inflicts Frostburn
Violet inflicts Venom
Post Providence, most effects change:
Red inflicts Abyssal Flames
Orange inflicts Holy Flames
Green inflicts Plague
Blue inflicts Crush Depth
Violet inflicts God Slayer Inferno
Is used in crafting the Heart of the Elements and is also spawned with the HotE and affected by mid game buffs (like increased damage after a boss) the same way as the HotE summons
Technically this is a post Golem accessory, since the Bars of Life need Chaotic Ore, which is mined with a Picksaw.
Also this isn't an undertale reference 
tawny peak
I like it, but the name needs a change, so that players don't confuse it with The Amalgam.
eternal dew
I did think about Indigo but in terms of debuffs, blue would go Frostburn to Electrified Post-Prov while Indigo would go Suffocation to Depth Crush Post-Prov
I tried matching debuffs to the colors
Also the crafting recipe uses 6 types of souls
tawny peak
Where's Cryogen's Soul?
eternal dew
O fucc
Well that would be the base that all the other souls get applied to
Also apparently there's a bot that submits suggestions to another channel if it has enough ⭐ reacts, according to Danny (you would already know this if you aren't lazy to scroll up )
ionic cloak
I scrolled up
trim stag
@mental temple Actually, Thorium DOES use vanilla AI in several cases
And so does Spirit
mental temple
for bosses?
trim stag
I'd have to check
lucid drum
don't they like, modify bat ai for a bunch of stuff
mental temple
Vanilla ai for enemies is fine
charred geyser
. 3 .
mental temple
Its not justifiable to do it for bosses
trim stag
Bat AI is just the AI style, mrrp
lucid drum
oic
trim stag
We should probably rework the wiki on that, tbh
But meh
Doing other rework stuff rn
And I don't think it takes vanilla AI for a boss, no
Maybe Star Scouter
Lemme check
mental temple
Danny you gotta back me up here on shrines being imbalanced
trim stag
Well, of course they are, you're breaking progression
lucid drum
Which ones in particular
I don't really understand too much of why tiger gear might be op.
mental temple
thank you
placid escarp
If you complain so much about how it's unbalanced you can just not use them you know?
mental temple
thats a stupid argument
rich star
you're stupid
mental temple
if its imbalanced it shouldn’t be in
lucid drum
Or scarab given summoners have no other stuff besides spirit generator
placid escarp
How? It's not like you're forced to used it
If you are then yeah I agree it's unbalanced
trim stag
Anything that breaks progression, Mrrp
placid escarp
But you're not
trim stag
It breaks other mod progression as well, since a cross necklace could be in a recipe for some OP other item that shouldn't be obtained till HM
dire hazel
lucid drum
imksushi
tropic hinge
Is that good or bad
trim stag
imkSushi is garbage with progression, but let's keep it at Calamity for now
mental temple
Not a fan of imksushi since it breaks exploration, but thats good argument
trim stag
The problem is that Fabsol wanted to make the mod more compatible with others, breaking progression like this is NOT the way to do that, Rainbow.
placid escarp
Plus, what is with this bullshit about "Vanilla AI is not justifiable for bosses"?
You do realized that:
1.) Custom AI are hard to make from scratch, and still hard to make even if you based them on Vanilla Bosses AI
2.) "Unique AI" is not required to make a boss feel special, epic or anything similar.
tawdry condor
what have i stumbled upon ; )
placid escarp
I don't think unique ai is necessary for boss tbh
mental temple
Custom AI is hard to make from scratch, I can’t deny that,
trim stag
You can say "don't use it" but that's a stupid argument. What would you do if you had valid criticism on let's say, some shitty game like No Man's Sky, and all they said is: "Don't use it, m8"
placid escarp
The calamity bosses are as fine as they are, with a couple needing a bit of rework
Hmm true
lucid drum
Also in that case, I really don't see a problem with the shrines as they are. They're rare, and some of those accessories are just relatively late pre hm, like cuffs and tiger gear. Most of the other stuff is percentage, or just not really great. Look at flesh knuckles and putrid scent. Then look at laudanum.
placid escarp
But I still don't agree on "Vanilla AI is not justifiable for bosses"
trim stag
The vanilla AI thing isn't that bad, honestly, as long as you make changes to it.
mental temple
Bumblebirb is literally mothron
trim stag
The shrines thing is ech, though.
mental temple
My only big issues with ai rn are mothron and slime god
trim stag
It should not hold anything that's locked behind a progression wall, imo
lucid drum
these shrines kinda remind me of the whole "legendary weapons" thing now
mental temple
Legendary weapons are undoubtedly imbalanced, I thought they were from joost
trim stag
Legendary weapons weren't the best choice either, since you'd need no variety in weapons, really; but it didn't really break progression
echo fern
It's hard to balance a toybox
trim stag
Still glad that part of the weapons got removed, though
placid escarp
Bumblebirb is just one boss out of over twenty bosses in calamity. It's probably getting reworked soon, I hope.
Hive Mind is getting reworked soon so it won't just be a BoC clone.
Slime God I saw it as a case of "Simple AI, but effective". I mean it could use a bit of a rework so you don't feel like you're just fighting buffed up slimes along with a flying circle enemy, but it's kinda fine right now.
lucid drum
Ah yes, hol up. Obligatory "please buff SG core phase so it doesn't melt in seconds to a non rage/adrenaline boosted weapon."
trim stag
Bumblebirb is getting reworked sprite-wise, yea, I'm sure Fabsol can be convinced to rework its AI
mental temple
Slime god aren’t buffed slimes, they’re hardmode mimics full stop
primal crow
obligatory "make SG core not literally free and uninteresting"
lucid drum
tawdry condor
you're welcome ; )
primal crow
lub u bb
tawdry condor
;)
placid escarp
Hardmode mimics?
Hmm I can see the similarity, but still like I said, although it could use a bit of a rework it's kinda fine the way they are right now.
trim stag
The core could instead be used as a boost mechanism
mental temple
ech
placid escarp
It's just my two cents
primal crow
I like the actual gods, but once you get to the core the fight's pretty much over
trim stag
If the slimes are close to it, for example, they get more speed or w/e
trim stag
And instead of having to kill it, you just need to kill the slimes and get them away from it so they don't get boosted
tawdry condor
core needs more health and faster/more dashing
echo fern
Yeah the core swings around n stuff but that's it
trim stag
And once the slimes are dead, core is dead
placid escarp
Hmm that would make for an interesting fight
mental temple
the slimes could use some kind of weird jump pattern
echo fern
I like the idea of a support-based core instead of the swingy boi
primal crow
that'd be pretty hot. It might be kinda cool if the core is a buff thing, and once the gods are down it starts trying to avoid you while it throws together something to attack you with as a last line of defense
placid escarp
Weird jump pattern?
Like jumping in a zigzag or something?
echo fern
Would it still do contact damage?
mental temple
that could work, at least make it more interesting
tawdry condor
he builds a wall of slimes around him like the seeker phase in scal
placid escarp
That'd be a bit bizarre, but it could fit yeah I agree
trim stag
Well, see, I do have good ideas every now and then
echo fern
all the time
tawdry condor
danny has good ideas every time he types something
lucid drum
How about some sort of "Aura" support weapons? You'd gain inferno-potion like effects as you stack different weapons in a summon-class like way. You'd have limited "slots" or "rings" to bring up, and they'd get progressively weaker the further they are from you. You could increase these effects and slots with accessories.
tawdry condor
making the whole scal fight on a flying carpet
mental temple
Another thing, this mod doesn’t really pay enough attention when respriting a boss, since it’s drops and stuff seem to stay the same
placid escarp
Sooo Danny could you make a detailed changes of the SG core change in one post? So we can star it.
tawdry condor
make the core bigger
placid escarp
The mod is doing it's best to resprite things
mental temple
Eg. Plaguebringer
rich star
perforators, hive mind
primal crow
the respriting thing is a known issue, it's being discussed already iirc
rich star
crabulon
tawdry condor
i like the pbg sprite
echo fern
Yeah resprites roll out when they do, give it time
lucid drum
provi
placid escarp
mental temple
that’s not what I’m saying
lucid drum
ds as well
mental temple
if you look at plaguebringer’s loot table it looks like the old one
placid escarp
They're still working on it though
lucid drum
Ye
primal crow
it's already being worked on
placid escarp
Respriting all the items I mean
echo fern
Corrective action is being taken, even if the correction has yet to come through
placid escarp
^^^
tawdry condor
things don't just happen in a matter of seconds, spriting especially
lucid drum
uhhhhh resprite giant turtle shell
rich star
And they're reworking the fight a bit, judging by the stuff that was in sprites needed that's now in the art server
lucid drum
so it's not a cookie 
trim stag
Already pinged Fabsol in the test channel with the suggestion
placid escarp
K
primal crow
and more recently people who have resproten bosses have been made to do their drops and stuff as well
tardy kiln
@mental temple they work on new sprites.
rich star
nvm, that has been deleted from the art server
trim stag
As the suggestion bot isn't fully developed yet
lucid drum
mental temple
does nobody ready what I’m saying
trim stag
I'll make an announcement once it's done
placid escarp
lucid drum
Why should the loot table change.
placid escarp
I managed to save some of it.
primal crow
we know what you're saying, bosses who get resprites aren't getting their loot resprites at the same time
rich star
that's it ye
mental temple
was referring to the person who just pinged me
ionic cloak
Their loot is getting resprites tho
lucid drum
well, you said "nobody"...
placid escarp
^
mental temple
also what happened to frous’s cnidrion
echo fern
Let's not get bogged down on a fifth tangent now
placid escarp
It's now dried up, like Desert Scourge.
tawdry condor
seahorse scrutiny needs to be added
mental temple
yeah seems to have not been added
tawdry condor
same
ionic cloak
Not everything gets added
placid escarp
Same
primal crow
dry seahorse is in ye
lucid drum
Last I checked, bego and inanis were the ones who made cnidrions.
lucid drum
Dunno if frous did.
mental temple
the dry one has no lightsource
lucid drum
The current one ingame is begos.
echo fern
I figure if it's the old design then it's too blue for the desert
tardy kiln
what has that to do with suggestion
echo fern
^
placid escarp
^
lucid drum
And yeah, it has lightsource problems, but it probably is gonna get replaced by inanis' in a future update.
tawdry condor
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